Had I been thinking straight, I would have posted this yesterday on Easter Sunday.
As is often the case, I am a day late and a dollar short. Though I can try to salvage some face by noting Easter Monday is a major holiday in Australia and a lot of other countries…
I have done a few earlier posts about Hubbard’s view of Christianity, most notably Can Scientologists be Christians or Jews Too?
But while looking for some other materials I came across some interesting things I had not seen before.
In 1954, looking to increase the revenues of scientology (it is a long sordid tale of the financial ruin of Dianetics and then the invention of scientology to generate income and try to become solvent after blowing huge amounts of money) Hubbard incorporated the “Church of American Science.”
And on 4 Oct 54 he described his plan to infiltrate Christianity in a taped lecture:
“There is a difference between the CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE and the Church of Scientology. The CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE is a Christian religion. It believes in the Holy Bible, Jesus is the Savior of man and everything that’s necessary to be a Christian religion. People who belong to that church are expected to be Christians. These two churches fit together. We take somebody in as a CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE. It doesn’t disagree with his baptism or things like that, and he could gradually slide over into some sort of better, wider activity such as the Church of Scientology and a little more wisdom and come a little more close to optimum. Then if he was good and one of the people that we would like to have around he would eventually slide into the HASI. So we have provided stepping stones to Scn with these organizations.”
Obviously, this never amounted to anything. But it offers an interesting insight into his thinking and the cynicism of his scheming to “slide people over” by having them believe his “introductory” “church” was a “christian religion.” Of course, it was no such thing. Just an early “intro route” like the OCA is today.
I also came across this from a 24 Jan 56 lecture entitled “The Role of Creation in Aberration.”
“The ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH has a certain vested interest in aberration. First and foremost in its history we discover that it professed that ignorance was the best lot for man, first and foremost. That was the thing it started out on. And it thought this paid off really well and was a very, very good control mechanism.”
Hubbard generally talks about “Roman Catholicism” as an almost derisive term for all of Christianity as it is the “original version.”
And here is another from a 29 Dec 57 lecture “The Clear–Defined” where he discusses “a religious organization in Italy,”
“Any time they solve things with telling people: ‘If you don’t believe, we are going to get you excommunicated’. You don’t have a science folks, you have a hoax! If a man cannot be persuaded by the reasonability of a thing, it ain’t. As far as he’s concerned, it isn’t. So why bother?”
Just a little ironic to read this quote given his later invention of disconnection and even excommunication as an official status in scientology.
The Alice-in-Wonderland trail of Hubbard’s thoughts about religion are perhaps the greatest example of him asserting “facts” based on what was convenient at the time.
Scientology is not a religion. All religion is bad.
Scientology is a religion, the essence of all religion.
Align yourselves with Christians. We believe in the teachings of Christ. There was no Christ. The man on the cross is a mental implant.
We must be religious in our public presentation to the world. Scientology is not faith, it is science.
The incarnations of Hubbard’s views are like a spinning top. But there is no doubt he viewed any other religion as a scam. ONLY he had the answers. Any positive statements about religion or the “religiosity” of scientology were ONLY because he thought it would gain some advantage for himself.
Scientology is the polar opposite of Christainity.
Scientology is all “tech”; no faith – a “science” which allegedly works 100 percent of the time as long as it is correctly applied. As a contrast, there is no “tech” in Christianity, it is all “faith”.
Scientology says there was no God, no Jesus, and no heaven or hell. You’ll just implanted after you die and will go pick up a new body. Christians believe in God and believe that Jesus died for their sins.
Scientology views that Man is basically good but needs constant “putting in one’s ethics” to stay on the straight and narrow – o/w write-ups, sec checks, lower conditions, making amends to the group for past misdeeds (large IAS donations absolve everything), etc. Christianity views that Man is basically a sinner and one just needs to acknowledge that Jesus died for all the sins of everyone – “Jesus, God’s Son, saved the world from sin, death in hell, and the power of the devil. He did this through His own perfect life, His death, and His resurrection.”
In Scientology, a non-believer is a “WOG” and has very little value to society (scientology) – so one should not be helped unless that person has contributed large sums of money (or slave labor) to the church. In Christianity, an individual has an “intrinsic value” – every person is a “child of the most high God”. Everyone deserves help, even “degraded beings”.
Anyone can walk into a Christian and participate in a service and get attention from a pastor for free. No one can freely walk into a scientology service without first being vetted by Security, pay a visit to the registrar, get an A-J e-meter check by an ethics office, and basically get treated like a terrorist. There are a few free intro lectures, but for the most part – “FREE SEERVICE EQUALS FREE FALL” (lrh).
A lot is promised but not delivered or under-delivered in scientology – completely rational thinking, higher IQ, faster reaction time, better communicator, no psychosomatic illness, freedom from overwhelm, exterior with full perception, recall of past lives with accuracy, no amnesia on the whole track, total power on all 8 dynamics, immortality, etc. Scientology is like a Ponzi scheme where your problems are going to get handled on the next level or at a higher level but never seem to. The services also become more and more expensive as you go up the bridge. One would think services would get less expensive as the person is supposedly becoming less “abberated” and should be easier to deal with. Even the Bridge itself is dishonest because it claims to go up to OT 14, but OT 8 is the highest OT level delivered. Christianity doesn’t really promise anything except that you can be “Saved” – and that doesn’t cost anything.
Christianity does a lot of things unselfishly to help Mankind; Scientology’s “vulture ministers” specializes in photo ops that can be used for Impact magazine. There’s very little true philanthropic activity in scientology – everything has to have some “angle”. Underlying this is that most scientologists believe help has to be “earned” or else it is “out-exchange”- help shouldn’t just be given away for free – everything is a service which can be charged for.
Scientology is a non-transparent about what they believe – the OT levels and pre-OT levels are super confidential and cost large sums of money. Supposedly, this is because the OT levels could be harmful if you not prepared for them. In reality, no one has been harmed by reading “OT data” – it’s confidential because it’s outrageous, ridiculous, and a scam – early exposure would ruin the scam,
I could go on, but I think I covered most of the important points. BTW, I don’t claim to be a religious scholar, the above are just my observations from a brain with a sixth-grade education.
-Jethro
Jethro: Christianity also says it works 100% of the time; only you’ll not find that out until the hereafter. you will find out scientology doesn’t work 100% of the time in THIS LIFE.
The trap is not a trap. Everyone can live on the outside of universe. The trap is not a trap.
Everyone wants to be Jesus, Leonardo in Vinci or Buddah in past lives. Jesus, Leonardo in Vinci and Buddah wants to be no one.
I once met Hubbard. It was on a very cold and snowy night just before Christmas.
He asked of me, “I will pay you back on Tuesday if you could buy be a hamburger today.”
I asked him how he figured to pay me back on Tuesday if he didn’t have any money today.
He told me that Jesus would be returning on Tuesday and He would then make all forms of money irrelevant. So I have always figured he did believe in Christianity.
P.S. I am just trying to be humorous once more. I hope that if I offended anyone, they will please forgive me?
Oh, Hell NO!
Skyler. It is a joke, isn’t?
Yes, Of course it is a joke. Perhaps I lost site of the fact that people outside of the USA might not be familiar with the Popeye cartoons in which there exists a despicable type of con man bum named Wimpy who was always asking people to give him money so he could buy a hamburger and he would promise to pay them back.
I figured he was a close representation of LRH the con man.
I can’t imagine how this would upset Mike because I thought I made it clear that I was just trying to be funny. Pls excuse me if my attempt at humor upset some people.
Skyler. Thanks for your clarification. LOL.
Ps, thanks also for your compliment on my english. Time by time I use some help depends what I want to say.
Skyler, I don’t believe there are any sacred cows on this site (other than “Don’t aggravate Mike.”, which is sorta reasonable since this forum wouldn’t exist, except for his blood, sweat, and tears.
Though LRH, as self styled “source” was a true blue megalomaniac autocrat who adopted his own style of severe fundamentalism, in studying his comments on religion, I always thought he was pretty much on target about Christianitu, God and Earth religion in general. (Yes, he lied to the general public about his feelings on these subjects in his attempts at making Scientology acceptable).
People are free to believe whatever they want of course, but there is practically no actual evidence that Moses, Jesus or the Buddha existed as real human beings (nothing even written down about the Buddha until hundreds of years after his alleged existence). Mohammed was certainly a real person, but that is not to his credit.
acknowledging LRH’s physiological problems and his abundant lies, does not mean he wasn’t right about some things.
What I really love about Scientology history is consistency.
In fact, just after incorporating CoAS, around 1955, hubbard began trying to superimpose his new creation with Buddhism, with which he has nothing to share.
But he modestly and humbly proposed himself as Metteya. Fantastic.
This went on until the 70s. On the web you can find Source mags with the Buddha on a cover and Metteya with Hubbard’s face on the cover. I laughed when I saw it. Even more fantastic.
And that’s only because people had started to be interested in oriental culture and meditation since the 1950s.
In the end, it was just business maneuvers.
(George White in some posts on this blog explains it better than me).
Sorry oooopsss. I meant ADVANCE mags but I wrote Source.
Numbers 26/27.
You wrote Source??? Are you nuts? Wow! This is a clusterfuck!!
OSD. Yes I wrote source but I meant advance. Hope you will forgive me one day.
Ps. what it is a clusterfuck?
When everything just falls apart!
Thanks Dude. Now I learned something more.
LMR. I want you to know that your English is better than anyone else I ever met who lived in a country whose primary language was not English.
IMO, your command of English is actually quite amazing.
Loosing My Religion put out:
“What I really love about Scientology history is consistency.”
Consistency!? The only consistant thing about it is its
INconsistency.
Tubby said whatever he thought would please the clapping clams that moment, changing his story as society itself changed.
Mike, I occasionally forget to post things.
I forget to, ummmmm, ummmmmm.
What we’re we talking about?
forgetfulness …………….. remember!
Was I going to go up stairs or did I just come down and why?
Because you’re getting OLD. But the ‘why’ is something we’ll never know.
Sometimes I go to the store to buy ONE thing….then I come home with everything else BUT that ONE thing I was going to the store for in the first place….sssiiiiiggghhhh.
I’m not…I’m not…Oh shit! I forgot. Dang!
OSD, I resemble that remark.s/t, I go to turn on the computer, but have forgotten WHY by the time I’ve reached for the power button. If only I cold forget Tubby’s blatherings so easily!
Just turn it in as a clusterfuck.
Oh, DANG, I miss an Edit function…. “If only I could forget Tubby’s ramblings that easily.”
Me too. But the trick is that you must forget to forget. And you won’t forget.
My brain hurts with your post.
Laughing, don’t mind.
L Ron Hubbard in his own voice ”
“There was no Christ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGPuBWeaBYY
Hubbard is so difficult to follow in this tape. He does not call the man on the cross Jesus. He calls him Christ. This is a serious distortion. Technically, Christ in Christianity is a spiritual being part of the Trinity.
Hubbard makes a similar mistake in his reference to the Buddha. He says they called him Buddha because he attained enlightenment under the “Bodhi tree.” . Actually Bodhi means awakened one. The tree was really a fig tree. How the hell does he know that someone found R6 in 600 B.C. ?
George M White asked:
“How the hell does he know that someone found R6 in 600 B.C. ?”
Easy: it’s more of his self-serving BS.
These are excellent points !
I like this—-Gore Vidal’s Live from Golgotha:
Because of the old doctrine “to the Jews first,” Saint [Paul] always made a courtesy call on every synagogue in every town we came to that had one. At first there would be a lot of chuckles and Call-me-Sols, and a bad lunch. Then he’d be invited to say a few words and before you could say “Holy Moses” they would be hitting him over the head with sticks. They never did buy the bad news that the late Jesus ben Nazareth, known to us Greeks as the King or Christ, was really the messiah that the Jews have been hanging around all these years waiting for.
“The point is,” Saint would say when I’d be bandaging him up after one of his sessions with his former co-religionists, “you never know when or where you’ll make a convert.” Yet when Saint started out, he and James agreed that they would more or less divvy up the mission. Saint would look after the foreskin set while James, with some help from Peter the Rock-thick, would sell the good news about Judgment Day to the Jews. Then Peter moved on to Rome where he was a great success socially; he was even something of a favorite of the Emperor Nero, who thought Peter, and I quote the emperor directly, “the funniest act ever booked into the Palatine.”
Great reference. Gore could write.
No doubt that St. Paul was the greatest salesman ever. He never met Jesus…..but his wealth and access to powerful folks from his previous life as Saul.
When asked what the painting “The Last Supper” means…most people would say. That’s Jesus saying goodbye to his friends. I say… that’s 12 Jews building a business model.
The man tells you that there is such a thing as overts,
and that you have them,
and that is bad
and his machine can get rid of them,
for a small cost.
The reason that he can say this to you is,
there was a church,
the Catholic church,
and the Catholic church told you that there was such a thing as a sin,
and that sin is bad,
and that the confessional reconciliation room can get rid of them,
for a small cost.
There was a man,
telling you that there were such a thing as traps,
and that traps were bad,
and that you were trapped,
and his machine could get rid of them,
for a small cost.
The reason he can say this to you is,
there was an alien,
and this alien’s name was Xenu,
and well, you wouldn’t believe the rest.
Went to Confession on Wednesday, didn’t cost me a dime.
Interesting. Thanks Mike. This is why the symbol of the cult is a eight pointed cross. They did it originally to give an idea of christianity and now they instead say that it just means the eight dynamics.
And among the group who signed the incorporation papers there was also john galusha (idenics).
Scam-story.
And thought it was Crowley’s rosy cross.
Among other things, the cross was also chosen because most of the confessions of the western world are of Christian origin.
So it was more a subliminal message intended to attract interest or make people accept it as one of the many Christian denominations.
In short, a deception.
Mike, it is good that we search the facts for ourselves rather than mindlessly adopting the teachings of man. I did this to confirm my own views regarding Christianity. Before rejecting Christianity, I challenge you and your readers to read three books: Evidence which Demands a Verdict, I don’t have Enough Faith to be an Atheist, and the New Testament portion of the Bible.
Beverly. I apologize in advance if I got it wrong.
It does not seem to me that the post criticizes Christianity.
The point is more particularly how hubbard exploited the events to give a specific idea, but that was a deception.
In the US, over 65% of believers turn to Christian denominations. In the 1950s the percentage was much higher.
Interesting comment, Beverly.
I accept and admire Christian principles while rejecting Christian magic.
“Love thy neighbor as thyself”…beautiful, and we should all try to do this.
“You are your brother’s keeper”… a revolutionary and workable concept to strive for if not always attain.
“Judge not, lest ye be judged”…hell freakin’ yeah.
But then the Virgin Birth, Water Walking, the Resurrection…don’t believe it, never did.
So what kind of a Christian does this make me? ( And by the way, don’t worry about giving me your honest answer as I’ve been told MANY times that the above makes me no Christian at all 🙂 Doesn’t bother me; I don’t need a label for what I believe.
By the way, I don’t believe in any of the Jewish, Old Testament magic either. But there’s wisdom in the Old Testament to live by. But then, Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden, talking snakes, Lot turned into a pillar of stone, Jonah hanging out in a whale’s stomach for 3 days and coming out OK? Moses causing the Red Sea to part? Don’t think so, no. No Jewish magic either, for me, please! So you see Christianity is out and Judaism is out…maybe the Wiccans will accept me 🙂 I’d want to be a good witch, though. Herbs and potions and spells and incantations to help people sound like fun. Think I’ll look into it.
Aqua, some long-term friends —never call them old — are Wiccan. Good, “Bad”… just considerations, just as the doddering old man said. He stole that from someone else, of course, but that doesn’t make it any more wrong.
Well, you know, if it floats their boat to be Wiccans, why not? As long as no animals are harmed.
Now, after my own comment mentioning them I did a brief google search to get some data on the Wiccans, and…whoa! My head is spinning! An awful lot of words there I didn’t know. And I’m not going to look them up, either. What I did manage to glean was that Wicca is nature-based spirituality with lots of little celebrations based on the seasons, etc., Its got its own nomenclature and the overall faith is quite diverse; there are basic similarities but Wicca’s gods and beliefs and practices vary…no worries that I wouldn’t be accepted, seems like there’s something for everyone in Wicca’s big tent. Look, you do know that I’m just funnin’ whicha about Wicca, right? Although it might be a hoot to get back to my ancient Celtic and Anglo Saxon roots by dabbling in it for a while. If we live again and again, and I think we do – I definitely don’t KNOW but its possible that we do – anyway if we live again and again, I’d bet a LOT of money that I was burned at the stake for a witch AT LEAST once 🙂 And now I should stop because I’ve tested Mike’s patience with this off topic ramble long enough.
” So what kind of a Christian does this make me?”
Aqua, it makes you a Christian that can think for themselves ….. based on observation.
“But then the Virgin Birth, Water Walking, the Resurrection…don’t believe it, never did.”
That makes you a $cioChristian ………… one who believes what they are told ………or frickin else. If you don’t comply then you get the EO. Either way you pay for lack of agreement …..uh …..I mean faith.
It also makes you real. Good job Aqua!
Thanks, Newcomer 🙂
Aqua. Nice to read you again.
In my opinion, the New Testament, in particular, should be able to read. You don’t have to be told about it and reduce it to something you just believe. It is full of symbology in many points and it is perhaps necessary to have some background but it gives hope.
The resurrection or period when Jesus is said to have been born is symbolic. They both represent the transition to a higher consciousness. To a fresh start. Jesus Christ is rather the representation of the human condition and its possibilities.
The kingdom to come was intended to be within us. And what one has to find out.
But I am more zen.
Loosing, thanks for your response, I appreciate it, and please know that I am down with EVERYTHING you’ve said. Everything! I’m FINE with Biblical magic being “open to interpretation.” No problemo!
But many Christian religions are NOT down with it and the Jews I talked to are not down with it either.
Christians can go kind of ballistic when the Virgin Birth is queried. Even the educated ones. They just want it there, that’s all.
I thought I’d fare better with the Jews because in Judaism its not a sin to question, to doubt, to seek answers.
But, no.
How dare I infer that the Burning Bush was made up; how dare I suggest Moses didn’t part the Red Sea, that it was all a lie!
Nope. I came to the conclusion that many people NEED this stuff.
There could be all kinds of reasons why they need it but in my opinion they need it and cling to it and don’t inspect it as data; they just WANT it there and/or need it there.
Literal acceptance of, total belief in, complete faith non-inclusive of ANY doubt that all magic relayed in the Bible is absolute truth and absolutely HAPPENED is required!
Believe me, I tried the “symbolic” route and it was NO GO.
I did try! Catholics, Protestants, Jews – the magic HAPPENED…just BELIEVE it that’s all, and never mind how, never mind any analytical nonsense, believe it, and all will be fine.
Well, I can’t! So my responses to date have been versions of, “Well, Ok, all the best, nice talking to you.”
I’ve tried, Loosing 🙂 That said, maybe there’s a religion out there which allows for Biblical magic to be interpreted symbolically.
I’m open to all suggestions 🙂
Aqua. GRAZIE!
As far as I am concerned, most of the organized confessions have simplified or adapted the true meaning of the original message (which one then discovers has a common root in all) and have watered it.
The worst thing is to take pieces of knowledge, create a “solution” and print a copyright on it.
However (but it is my personal opinion) a book that I found very interesting because it manages to give a key to reading everything without imposing any dogma or forced truths is Eckhart Tolle’s The Power of Now.
In conclusion scientology has apparent solutions but which ultimately bind the soul into a trap.
Do well and take care of you!
Beverly, anecdotally, a leading cause of christians converting to atheism (not needing a god) is READING the bible. In my case, I eventually just couldn’t STAND the “god” they were telling me to aspire to emulate.
In scientology, it was simpler: They didn’t deliver on any of their promises.
Vicarious redemption through human sacrifice is a repulsive doctrine.
I had no say in this sacrifice and would have protested it if alive/present, but I’m forced to take my share of the blame for it nonetheless. In fact, I may as well have hammered in the final nail.
Born under a celestial dictator who watches my every move for every minute of every day, even when I sleep. Who can convict me of thoughtcrime, punishing me in life and torturing me in death. Who demands my love and my fear in equal measure?
He can eff off, quite frankly. This is as morally repugnant a doctrine as anything found in scientology, imho. Perhaps far more so.
“He can eff off, quite frankly.”
LOL, and my sentiments exactly! That is so totally NOT my concept of what God is!
Scientology is a one way religion, just like most religions. In that sense Christianity and Scientology are identical. Imho
Truer words were never spoken. Outstanding post, Eh=Eh.
There is a certain path of inevitable chaos when traveling down a one way road the wrong way.
These are great finds, that should be given to religious and ecumenical groups that Scientology is trying to co-opt and infiltrate. They clearly demonstrate the CofS’ devious and cunning nature.
“we have provided stepping stones to Scn with these organizations” says it all about the various tentacles of the CofS – even the ones they claim are non-religious or secular.
I think LRon and Trump would have been friends. They both have their own created reality which shifts to suit themselves at any particular moment.
We are here to discuss L.Ron Hubbard, Scientology and David Miscarriage. Not President Trump.
Yes there is Freedom of Speech as well as simple manners.
Chris, respectfully, I think you’re out of line. Unfortunately there are GLARING similarities between how LRH AND David Miscavige “handle” their situations and how our current president “handles” his situations and there’s nothing “unmannerly” about pointing this out. Especially since DC Org is a few blocks from the White House, and at least since the Clinton presidency the cult has been over whomever has been president, Democrat or Republican, like white on rice! It IS a known, acknowledged, stated goal of Co$’s to be heavily influential in American politics. The way LRH fired people who disagreed with him, the way David Miscavige fired EVERYBODY around who could question or threaten his ultimate authority bears remarkable similarity to what THIS president is doing. Hardly a week goes by that he’s not firing someone whose job provides oversight over his presidential power. There’s no violation of “simple manners” in pointing this out!
Comparing Trump to Hubbard doesn’t mean someone doesn’t have manners. It’s an opinion, just as you have your own.
Better forget Dave then. He is more than rough around the edges. He’s a frickin hacksaw!
That’s a great description of those two!
While I tend to agree with you, Mr windsock, is it actually possible for one raging narcissist to be friends with another raging narcissist? They are peas in a pod, that’s for sure!!
Mike, thanks for reminding us how completely disingenuous Hubbard and Scientology is.
Hubbard cannot hide when his lies are available to anyone
Scammers got to scam. Lron was just trying a bait and switch add on to the $cieno scam. For a guy who dissed Christianity he sure borrowed a lot from it.
As a former Catholic and trained by Jesuits, I can understand why Hubbard was so mixed up on the subject of religion. What is not really appreciated is that as early as the 1950’s Jesuits were in open rebellion against the Pope. DeChardan was a Jesuit priest who wrote the book “The Phenomenon of Man” which was scientific in nature but condemned by the Pope. The Jesuits, who were formed to defend the Pope, rebelled against him. After the book was condemned, we all in a Catholic college were required to read it.
After I got out of Scientology, I went to visit Priests and Nuns at monasteries and gave big donations to them. I was so happy to get out of Scientology. I really appreciated Catholics. I read St. Augustine’s “City of God’ cover to cover twice. I chanted Saint Francis of Assisi’s “Ode to the Sun” ten times a day for years.
Hubbard was so wrong. He should have laid into the Fundamentalists who took the Book of Revelation from the Bible literally. These people were in part responsible for the Korean War and the Vietnam War. I know because I served in South Korea in the Army from 1968-1971. Fundamentalists beheaded 10,000 Buddha statutes which created animosity. Hubbard never understood the real threat of Islam and its propensity to violence and war. He completely missed them and criticized the Gospel of Jesus of all things. Hubbard was a Western Stupid Man.
George, I didn’t know about this incident. Could you elaborate? I know that South Korea has a lot of huge fundamentalist churches these days, and of course, the Moonies hail from there.
Not too long ago I read a book describing a somewhat similar incident in the the Russia Civil War. In short, the Red Army sought the help of Buddhist Mongolian to fight the White army, which was treating the Mongolians harshly. After its victory the Red Army proceded to smash up temples and monasteries in order to establish its wonderful proletarian communist revolution.
Interesting to hear about your Jesuitical background. A few years ago, my wife and I joined the Catholic Church. We met some wonderful priests and laiety, but the conversion didn’t take, and we’ve drifted away. I’ve never stopped my vipassana meditation practice, inconsistent as I am with it. I will just say I have mixed feelings about the Roman Catholic Church, but the good ones definitely outweigh the bad.
I always appreciate your insightful comments here.
Thanks bix,
I am happy to hear from you.
When I was in South Korea, we had servants who tended to us officers for a few pennies a day. One of them, Mr. Kim of course, spoke broken English. We got to talking and he told me about the violence in North and South Korea. Families destroyed. Buddhists murdered. Temples raided. Statues destroyed. About 1/3 of Korea was Christian at the time and he told me about how the old Buddhist ways were moved over. A few years ago, I decided to research Buddhism in Korea. I found references especially in Wike, that 10,000 Buddha statues were beheaded by the Christian Fundamentalists after WWII.
The data seemed to fit. In further research I found that it is suspected that a large Buddhist Temple is still active in the highest mountains in North Korea. No one knows for sure what Kim is doing. Officially, there is no religion in North Korea. Impossible to verify this one at present.
“Any time they solve things with telling people: ‘If you don’t believe, we are going to get you excommunicated’. You don’t have a science folks, you have a hoax! “
Well it isn’t what they do since the 60s with SP declares, fair games etc?
He took a great inspiration from it. In the very old times (not current times) the Catholic church had for excommunication had 3 levels of severity. The worst one was the one where nobody of that belief could speak or deal with who was excommunicated.
So hubbard chose just the worst one instead of using a scale to evaluate each situation.
This is called in my home ‘extremism’ (also FASCISM) , when someone use your trust and kindness to judge you and run YOUR life because he knows best.
I can’t read LRH quotes. I get about 2 sentences in and I can’t stand the absurdity of what he’s saying. My brain seems to have a natural anti-BS meter and can’t absorb any more than that. This statement is true.
That is exactly how they hit me. I just can’t read past a sentence or two. I have a feeling his delivery must have been riveting, and that’s how so many got sucked in. Reading his drivel gives you time to realize what utter horse hockey it is. (Yes, I did love M*A*S*H!)
He’s got a weird way of phrasing things. Made it more difficult to study when I was in.
A highly literate person can speak or write in an unusual way, for effect. My father did that all the time. But it can increase the brainpower required to decipher it. I wonder if any writer in Hubbard’s era spoke like he did. Maybe it’s a cultural thing, not just idiosyncratic to him?
Not as much as I do!
More sense can often be made by an AI random quote generator…
https://inspirobot.me
I know what you mean. I used to read the Source Code of Hubbard’s babblings on Tony’s blog, but I’ve given up; I just can’t bear to wade through them anymore. They make absolutely no sense and the one consistent element they have is venom of one sort or another.
From the Objectivist perspective Scientology was nonsense.
And still is…
otherles stated:
“From the Objectivist perspective Scientology was nonsense.”
Anyone not currently “in” finds it to be utter nonsense.
Hey Jere. How are you doing? I haven’t read of you since some day. Lol!
Hey.
If saying Christiany and / or Scientology is great gets you to hand over your money to me, than I’ll say that.
If saying Christiany and / or Scientology is crap gets you to hand over your money to me, than I’ll say that.
I just believe in the almighty euro / dollar / yen / whatever. 😛
“A new scam a day keeps the police at bay.” That was Hubtard’s motto. Like a Chimera he kept shifting his “product” as one failed, was discovered to be a scam or ran its course. Always seeking that illicit money.
You completely nailed it in that last paragraph, Mike. Nothing to add to that sum up.