I cringe at the tortured prose of Sakhi Guma, trying too hard to make it seem he has some sort of talent as a poet. (Several of our better educated than me commenters pointed out that this is the text of MLKs famous “I have a dream” speech – unattributed of course and in this case the spoken word does not translate too well to the written)
But I shudder at the conceit of L. Ron Hubbard.
He actually said that he was here to help make sure the United States delivered the goods. Without irony.
And it is repeated today by those who hang on his every word as gospel and they send it out to the world as if it makes perfect sense to everyone else. And if it doesn’t or the wogs don’t agree, the sheeple are certain it is because they are ignorant at best, or are overcome with evil intentions at worst.
Absolutely amazing. This would have been the perfect post for yesterday, all patriotic and all. Unfortunately I didn’t see this til last night.
But the point is no less valid today.
Another example of Hubbard’s chutzpah. No shrinking violet that L. Ron Hubbard.
We can all thank heavens that he came along to ensure the USA didn’t shirk its responsibilities.
Lrony. Lronic. Yes, those work. So does “ugh” as a reaction to the letter.
Sakhi Guma is the head guy of Wise at the West US level. Wise is supposed to protect the copyrights of LRH’s writings and not let anybody rip off using the LRH admin tech unless they pay for it. Wise collects $ for it’s use. I wonder if Sakhi is sending Dr Martin Luther King’s family their royalty check as he ripped him off.
I’m not surprised this ED of WISE gave no credit to MLK Jr. Seems like that’s just not something they do; give credit where credit is due. Just like they take credit for things that they had nothing to do with.
Comment to the gman77 – I was the 1st person to come upon a wreck today, so I called 911 and helped at the scene, of course. I thought of you, when the young driver told police that no, his airbag didn’t hit him…as I’m standing there looking at it obviously deployed.
Did you give him a touch assist and leave your volunteer minister’s card so he has a way of contacting you? Remember T-Marie, we’re the only ones who can really help. ?
Yes, all of that, Spike, and also habit. These people are not young, most of them. Being in the cult is a lifelong habit, not easily broken.
Mike, this comment was in reply to Spike’s, way at the bottom.
Sakhi, improve your writing by reading Saki.
Or … even drinking it.
Good one!
“Please joining me in saying…”
Please learn to proofread.
“Mighty mountains of New York”??????????? Pray tell, just where are they? Got some of the locations right, but sure missed on on NY! LOL
But such chutzpah to be sending out on 4th of July in 2017, the czerch a laughingstock across the land, disliked intensely in many other countries, fraught with constant successful attacks from the media, rejected in so many towns and cities across the globe, dwindling rapidly in membership, the ravings of LRH.? This idiot throws out the dusty 1950s challenge from a dead and useless man who, on his deathbed, admitted he had completely failed??? And fully expects to be taken seriously?
WHAT IF #2
Referring back to Mike’s blog on May 24, 2017……..WHAT IF??
Picture THIS instead of what actually happened…………
David M is at that “Special Event”…..
Leah approaches David M and sweetly asks: “Where’s Shelly”?
WHAT IF David M had NOT been an Asshole and simply told Leah……..
“Oh, thank you for asking…..Shelley have volunteered to be away, out of the country on a SPECIAL SECRET ASSIGNMENT”…….it’s hush hush, something BIG for CO$…..but for now, it HAS to remain under wraps”….she will be a way for a lllooonnnggg period of time working on this Special Project, but basically away from communications. When I hear from her, I’ll let her know you were asking about her”………
Would David M have found himself in the mess he made for himself?????
Would Aftermath I & II have EVER hit the big A & E TV Screen?????
That’s the irony. If DM had acted like most normal people would about a reasonable question, it’s likely Leah would still be in the CoS and all of this never would have happened. This is a common occurrence. Thugs act like thugs, because they can’t help being what they are, and it results in a poop storm.
The truth is that DM’s need to lie,control, and cover up lead to the inevitable result that lead to Leah’s enlightenment.
As the saying goes, “We reap what we sow” or stated less elegantly but more pointedly, “Karma’s a bitch.”
Indeed
“…yes, Shelly’ll be away for a loooong time, and while she’s gone I’m gonna be soooo lonely, and – oh, Lou! There you are, sweetheart! Say ‘hi’ to Leah Remini, hon. I was just explaining to her about Shelly. You girls know each other, so I’ll leave the 2 of you to gab while I go pry Norm off of Brooke Shields…”
Add to that…..after I pry Norm off of Brooke Shields Tom C and I are going to raise a few in honor of Shelley’s brave sacrifice to be away from home for soooo llloooonnngggg working on that Special Assignment. Golly gee, I am going to miss her…….but I have so much to do right here…..
Straight up love what you wrote and so true , I learned long ago it’s easier to just tell the truth, to be a liar is exausting it’s like you’re so weighed down but for a psychopath it doesn’t bother them at all, this was all meant to come out , I’m glad Leah cared enough for a human to ask,my personal opinion with the temper D.M. has no control over he lost it and hurt her real bad,that’s some bad P.R. for Scientology, and they handle things from the inside so she’s been locked away somewhere or 6 feet under it’s sad
Could’nt you all take the parts of the subject that work for you and leave the rest. Scientology has helped a lot of people frequenting this blog from time to time. That it has morphed itself into some Q and A is regretable. Present leadership David Miscavage will go down as a scumbag that will be his legacy no matter what, it will not be kind. My advice is to move on with our lives its not over only beginning, be well.
That would be wonderful if there not people still being abused and hurt by scientology.
Im honored u would respond to my comm. I do think tho that alot of misapplied tech however perverted gets pinned on lrh, that seems a bit unjust. He did say in SOS that u do get alot of perverts in the field of religion. Thats a Huge Outpoint.
Huh? You are not making any sense.
Its a body data thats all, have or not have. Its your call.
I do that. I take what works for me that I learned in Scientology and ignore the rest. Doing this doesn’t interfere with my support for stopping the cult’s abuses. I have a theory: its just my own personal theory and I’m not committed to being right about it. My theory is that what I know of that’s workable in Scientology is itself ancient workable wisdom, codified and explained, repackaged and renamed by L Ron Hubbard. That’s it, really.
Oh, except for one thing: when I look from the viewpoint of someone who because of toxic cult policies and/or LRH or David Miscavige became disconnected from parents, spouses, children, any or all of the above; someone who lost a very substantial amoun of money donating in good faith to the cult to the cult and got back no benefit; someone who was betrayed by the false promises that LRH made about being “homo novis” and/or OT, betrayed by his or her seniors and/or LRH or David Miscavige into working extremely hard and long hours and days for a cause to help people that was in actuality not happening at all, ; a person who personally did not experience learning or release of painful emotion via LRH’s tech and as such experienced being totally ripped off- when I look from ANY of these viewpoints I can see how it would be impossible for me, if I had experienced ANY of this, to think that Scientology had ANY good in it.
Because the word itself, “Scientology” – the word itself, which, after all, is just a symbol – a word is not the thing, its a symbol for the thing – so, if I myself had experienced ANY of what I itemized in the prior paragraph, then the word “Scientology”would of itself be so painful to me, so anger and/or grief producing in me, would have so many negative connotations, associations, the word itself would bring up so much negativity experienced by me that I would not be able to be analytical about the subject, to be dispassionately analytical about it would be impossible for me and I, too, would want it all destroyed.
This body of data equated curiousity, doubt, criticism and verification of “facts” as an evil on par with Hitler, Pretty Boy Floyd etc,
Tell me how this gets misapplied if the founder is advising violent black ops psycho drama as a church leadership skill?
Demonizing those that don’t think like you is bigotry. Bigotry is inherent in “all critics are criminals”, guilty of “sordid stuff.”
And it was LRH who taught this doctrine. He is source, so he takes the rap.
In Scientology parlance, the cycle of corruption of that organisation is nearly complete. It could be suggested you are only midway through your understanding of what organised Scientology actually was, is and how it became to be that way. Seems to me if you really studied Hubbard’s early, slightly less abusive ideas he wouldn’t disagree either. He had no love of this universe and saw it as a big unyielding thing, that owed its very existence to the use of force and degradation. And was peopled by robots comparable to Pavlov’s dog level of consciousness.
I differentiate between the mere the data of it to the organisation of it. 3rd Dynamic Scientology is a disgrace to decency anywhere it has an official moniker. Hubbard’s own words were, “constant alertness and constant willingness to fight back, the price of freedom, there is no other price.” (Or some such wording). Not many apply that to Scientology (and are still willing to call themselves Scientologists) because if they do, they are declared and expunged from the organisation in an instant or shunned off as insane by the general public.
What do you do to fight for your freedom? I don’t say that disparagingly… I only mean that there is no “out of context” available for a dead man’s dream anymore, only what people do to each other in the name of it. Hubbard also said, “make the tech your own… be your own consul,” etc. Easy words… gets ya every time hey? But try organizing it into something useful – there’s your fight. Good luck with that, your dealing with a stacked deck and you’ll have some mighty strong opponents who have been ripped off, forcefully separated from their loved ones just itching for a fight to get even.
Have another look at the tone scale, place any organised or donating Scientologist on it. That organisation is peopled by below death beings. Just saying…if one was to actually use Scientology that is. There is no such thing as “standard Scientology,” there’s only you and your understanding of it, for whatever good, bad or ‘whatever’ result it provides.
Understand life? What does that even MEAN? What do you understand now that you didn’t before?
Howard, what cave do you live in? Hubbard WAS the criminal pervert he was talking about. Why do you ignore all his crimes?
Have you read Bare Faced Messiah, Piece of Blue Sky, Lovely Miss Unbreakable, or any books that reveals LRHs background? His past – unfortunately- painted his future. He was coddled, encouraged to lie, became a narcissist & conned millions of ppl. His legacy will be “violently” pushed into history….but it won’t be good.
Howard Smith – can you tell us what Scientology has done for you?
Personally It has helped me to understand life and to be able dicpher between universes. As a trained auditor it has been a nice bit of data to know. Everyone has their own spin.
Mr. Smith, I’m sorry to note that you seem functionally illiterate. Did you drop out of high school at the cherch’s urging? That’s the impression I’m getting. Moreover, your ramblings $cion jargon make absolutely no sense. You’re apparently trying to tell us something. Damned if I know what it is.
Its possible that English is not Howard K Smith’s first language.
Whatever is true for you is true for you…including heffalumps, BIG Foot and BTS 😉
Harpoona Frittata you are brilliantly funny. I love reading your comments. And I agree believing in Hubbard’s shit is no different than believing in hobbits.
Hi Howard, it’s lovely you have gotten some insight into life from Scientology and no doubt as an auditor you have helped others have their own insights.
Scientology has helped me too. In some ways. My take on the subject (as opposed to the “church”) is that it is actually rather limited. Its biggest strength is also its biggest weakness, which is that it simplifies areas of life, thought and behaviour. It enables the individual to make quick assumptions and decisions based on what I consider are overly simplified and often very absolutist principles. That’s not to say they are “unworkable” (eg. ARC, the Tone Scale, O/Ws, etc) but that they are so black-and-white that they do not allow for shades of grey (let alone alternatives) and are thus subject to error. This is a fundamental flaw that leads to untruth.
As a part of an individual’s intellectual or spiritual growth, this still has its uses. Up to a point. As a “pop psychology” it can still be used to a half decent effect. Maybe. But should you wish to go further, to grow further, and to learn more about those “shades of grey”, then at some point you will have to leave the subject behind.
Certainty is great if you want a simple life, to make quick assumptions about people, to make quick decisions and to not have to look further. But I would argue it leaves you intellectually stunted, with an attitude to life that is based on limited (and limiting) data.
On the subject of auditing, once again, I don’t deny that there is some form of benefit to be gained. The psychological techniques used in therapy, from Book One all the way up to the top of the Bridge, are rooted in abreaction, hypnosis (not a dirty word) and guided imagery. These are powerful psychological tools and used in various forms and practices the world over. My beef with Hubbard, however, is that he takes your hand and gently guides you into his unique sci-fi narrative – with thetans, implants, invader forces, ancient civilisations, entities, ad nauseum. Ask yourself this: do you really think you would have remembered any other-worldly past lives if Hub hadn’t rambled on about them right from the beginning? That’s suggestion and it’s easily done. Watch anything by Derren Brown, for example (Fear & Faith is a goodie – he conditions a staunch atheist and scientist into having a profound religious experience within a very short space of time).
If you wish to believe in thetans, ancient civilisations and space cooties, that’s up to you. Such beliefs undoubtedly bring people comfort and empowerment, providing a unique and rather fun view of life and the universe. Which would be fine if such beliefs and thought processes could not be created psychologically (“implanted”) using the very techniques described above. But they can.
The path is now so well-worn, yet few recommend taking it. The Bridge is flawed, tattered and delusive. The benefits, synthetic. To chase them comes at a price far greater than money.
My $0.02.
Peace.
Great post, Mwesten!
Here’s the parts of $cientology that work: NONE.
People are being exploited and abused. They’re being fair gamed and harassed if they speak out. Families are being ripped apart.
I don’t give a damn about any “good parts” of $cientology. The bad far outweighs any good.
And for the record, Hubbard will go down in history as a scumbag as well. A legacy well deserved.
Comments like yours and the one prior have made this blog unreadable. Which is too bad because I used to enjoy it. Denying wholesale that a person could have received any benefit from Scientology is poor for a couple of reasons. 1. I empirically know it isn’t true because I have received some benefit from Scientology. 2. It’s assholeishly arrogant to profess to know best.
I hate it when u hold back.
I don’t find this blog unreadable, Mr. or Ms. Good People. Did you mean to say you don’t like reading it? I’m guessing that’s what you meant. Whatever benefits one might get from scientology are greatly outweighed by all the negatives of being enslaved by it, which are described in detail in this blog. I’m curious to know what those unspecified benifts you say you’ve experienced might have cost you – literally and figuratively.
Uh, no one here is professing to “know best.” All we’re doing here is exposing the horrors perpetrated by despicable L. Ron Hubbard, subsequently, by Miscavige, and they just keep coming. Since no one here is professing to know best, I find it “assholelishy” dumb of you, to use your pithy adverb, to assume that they do.
bixntram, I agree with you about the negatives of being enslaved outweighing the benefits. Being enslaved cancels out ALL benefits IMO. Having said that, there’s also the factor of one’s agreement to be enslaved in the first place. This agreement can occur over time or it can occur in one fell swoop. Many people sharing on this blog were brought up in the cult or placed in it by their parents at a young age or they placed themselves in it a young age. Well, at some point each realized they were enslaved and decided, “No, I’m outta here”. Each in his or her own way woke up to the fact that he or she had agreed to slavery, and with that realization, decided not to be. My point is that a philosophy can be distinguished in various ways from an organization. And organization can become toxic. Case in point: what did the Crusades or the Inquisition have that was in line with what Jesus Christ (or whoever) said in the New Testament? These cruel and violent actions were examples of “Christianity” running completely amok. So does that mean, that Christianity, the actual philosophy, is evil? I don’t think so, but I certainly wouldn’t blame anyone afraid of being tortured as a heretic or slaughtered like a pig or burned at the stake as a witch for fearing and loathing “Christianity”. You’ll note I’ve put this in quotes for a reason – because what was practiced was called “Christianity” but had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the actual philosophy in the Bible. Now, this is to some degree a false equivalency because there are indeed toxic policies in Scientology but in my opinion they are not ALL toxic and in my opinion there are some that are extremely helpful and sensible.
Spare me, please. You have your opinion, I have mine. What’s the difference? Because I think $cientology is nothing but heartache and Hubbard is a lying conman, this blog is now “unreadable”? Well, alrighty then.
In the real world, not everyone agrees on everything. Could you handle this blog if it was more friendly to $cientology? Sorry, but I can’t be all flowery about a subject which has led to a highly abusive and suppressive organization.
I don’t care if you practice $cientology as long as no one gets hurt. But I’m not gonna hold back what I think just because someone else might not like it.
“I don’t care if you practice $cientology as long as no one gets hurt”.
Katherine, I practice Scientology (not $cientology in the church) by applying certain parts of it to my relationships, my business and my life in general, and no one gets hurt. I’m happy, my business does well, those give me business have done so for upwards of 30 years and those who work with me in
When I was in, I was never staff or Sea Org. I was only public. I did not experience disconnection from a loved one when I left.
I didn’t get hurt anywhere near the way many people here on this blog were hurt.
In fact, I really didn’t get hurt at all.
I left for other reasons.
Please don’t read into what I’m saying. Because I was not hurt does not mean that others were not. Because I was not hurt does not mean that I am downplaying the severity of the hurt that others experienced. Nor am I defending this organization. I’m under no illusions about this organization.
I’m only sharing my own experience, which is valid, which is no more or less valid than the experience of someone else’s experience which was vastly different.
Because I learned Scientology without experiencing pain, loss and punishment – and, I am convinced, ONLY because I experienced learning it this way, I can use it, whenever I think its a good idea.
And I don’t use it to hurt anyone, Katherine.
Hurting people is not my thing.
In fact, making people happy is pretty close to being a purpose of mine.
I’m not trying to convince you or change your mind.
I’m just sharing honestly with you, that’s all.
Whoa! Typos again when I get emotional!
“And those who work with me in my business do well and seem to be satisfied to be where they are”.
That’s interesting, Aquamarine. My experience and sentiments on the subject closely parallel yours.
Thanks for your reply Aqua. I understand. I really do. Sometimes it’s very difficult for someone like me who was never involved to not get really angry at what people have been put through by the cult. It just makes my blood boil to hear endless, heartbreaking stories.
I would never think you were out to hurt anyone. Your posts convey that. If you get benefits, that’s good. While it’s not something I’d ever practice, I have no issue with your perspective on the matter.
Katherine, in turn I thank you. I had assumed incorrectly that you had been in Scientology, on staff or in the SO. But you’re a Never In. What you’ve shared is amazing…”It just makes my blood boil to hear endless, heartbreaking stories”. I get it! Wow, do I get it. I’m the same way. I hate injustice. That said, I’m glad you’re with us, Katherine.
Don’t you just love the merry go round the subject of Scientology conjures up? Seems to me there’s peace in unconsciousness, but that’s not much of a result for all that hard work and sacrifice hey?
But each to own hey? I’ve settled on pitting my wits against fish… they win more than I care to admit!
GP, When I don’t like a forum or blog, I just.. don’t read or participate. I dont announce to the world why I dont like it. If I had developed a rapport with the owner or admin, I might discreetly message him or her. But thats just me, I don’t like chaos and drama.
Good People, arbeit macht frei.
One can always find good in even the most criminally insane activity. Does it make it sane or ethical to continue the activity? No. Thus the sane look upon those who DO want to continue as being … well, insane.
Wynski, that’s pretty harsh, don’t you think? Not everyone has had the same bad experience as you. No need to slam someone, let them draw their own conclusions, yes?
Ok “GoodPeople” – this blog is hosted by a former Scientologist, and is aimed primarily at an audience of other former Scientologists, as well as current members who are still involved with it but exploring aspects of the religion, and also those who have not been members but have an interest in talking about the subject, including the harmful aspects of the group, therefore the majority of posts are going to be from this viewpoint.
Mike Rinder allows all voices though, those who dislike it, those who are not sure about it, and those who find benefit it in. On any given day, there will be posts from people with any or all of these points of views. If you know the above, and still don’t like the forum, nothing says you have to participate.
Diverse views on this subject do not make this forum unreadable… the times it turns “unreadable” is when a troll or trolls make repetitive, argumentative posts about picayune matters, and come back again and again until everyone is sick of hearing from them, and/or posts with abusive or vulgar language or making targeted attacks against others, or when they arrogantly state that because their own viewpoint is not in the majority, everyone else is a &%#$ or whatever. That is what makes a forum unreadable, not because someone states their opinion and it doesn’t coincide with yours. This forum is still one of the best around.
“And for the record, Hubbard will go down in history as a scumbag as well. A legacy well deserved.”
And it was his own undoing. He claimed to have developed interstellar intergalactic public relations technology but he and his church will eternally suffer due to the lack of it.
Katherine! I’m in Northern California too?
Hi Marie. I’m in So Cal. My sister used to live up in Monterey. I guess that’s more Central Ca though. I’ve spent some time in Nor Cal. Love it there.
Well, shitums. I saw your N and thought northern Cali, oops. Lol.
I’m up here in Sacramento!
Thanks Katherine?
and I’m between you guys… SF bay area. Reppin Cali! 🙂
That is what the independent Scientology movement was trying to do: take the good and leave the rest. But it is pretty clear that the independent Scientology movement is AT BEST not growing, and is more likely shrinking. The exceptions, most notably the Dror Center in Haifa, Israel, prove the rule, and I’d be willing to bet that the Lembergers aren’t seeing any significant net-new expansion. Scientology tech is too low value for the time invested to be a viable alternative to modern evidence-based therapies and the brand name is too toxic that non-Scientologists aren’t going to invest the time to hear about the possibilities for getting value from “the tech” outside the official organization.
And people leaving Scientology these days are not flocking to any independent Scientology organizations the way they might have in the past — they just want to get as far away from anything to do with Scientology as possible. A key data point is that the “Indie 500” list has grown by only about 50-60 names in the last 5 years, and hasn’t seen any new names since March when I last checked about a week ago.
So if Miscavige exits the organization, whether it’s voluntary or he leaves in handcuffs or a coffin, if he is replaced by the kindest, most competent and most selfless individual you can imagine, it will not save the cult.
Yea. The damage has been done. It can’t be repaired by anyone
I agree, and that last paragraph is spot on.
The scientology brand is tarnished irreparably. They themselves are so embarrassed that they try to hide the brand when promoting their various front groups.
The legacy of LRH is a once growing movement that has mutated into, at best, a public laughing stock or, at worst, a harmful menace to be avoided at all costs.
Who the heck wants anything to do with that LRH’s fantasy these days, independent or non-independent. There is nobody joining, only leaving. I just hope this doesn’t flame out like a Jonestown disaster, but rather fizzles out the way it has appeared to be doing in recent years.
“That is what the independent Scientology movement was trying to do: take the good and leave the rest. But it is pretty clear that the independent Scientology movement is AT BEST not growing, and is more likely shrinking. The exceptions, most notably the Dror Center in Haifa, Israel, prove the rule, and I’d be willing to bet that the Lembergers aren’t seeing any significant net-new expansion.”
John, about DROR, Israel, you are right. I am part of their mailing list and receive all their blog posts. Many months ago, I used to get a new mailing from them like at least one time a month. Dani was very careful with keeping a communication line in with the Indie field, and informing them about wins and events at DROR. But now since Sept 22 of this year, they haven’t posted anything new, a clear evidence of shrinkage, unless they have lost interest in disseminating, which is unlikely they have.
This is time coinciding with the disagreement that Dani had with Tony Ortega like in the past Jan/Feb, the release of Ron’s book, and the the airing of “The Aftermath”.
Don’t get me wrong, I think that Dani and his wife are MARVELOUS persons. I REALLY like them a lot. They both have such great vibes. But more and more Scientology sympathizers are becoming more and more aware of LRH’s OWN abuses, and more aware as well of Scn’s incapacity to deliver what is promised in LRH’s writings.
The same exact thing happened with the Scn KSW blog, “Milestone Two”. About 2-3 years ago, they usually posted 2-3 articles a week, and they probably had more than 50-60 regular posters. But since many months ago, the blog literally became a ghost town.
I am also part of the mailing list of the Life Enhancement Center at Coeur D’Alene, Idaho, run by Mary and Frankie Freeman (2 old-timers class 8s personally trained by LRH), and Les and Anita Warren. Btw, Frankie passed away recently. My condolences to Mary and all the family. As far as I know, Frankie was an exceptional individual.
Their malings are being each time less and less frequent also.
We had a blog called “Scientologists Back in Comm” in which I frequently participated in and even wrote a few articles for them. They used to have more than 65-75 posters daily. Then it disappeared.
Geir Isene’s blog, started as a place for Scientologists to exchange communications. Eventually Geir also let go of Scn and became more critical of LRH ad Scn, but regardless of that, many Indies kept on participating and debating about the workability or lack thereof of Scn in very respectful and intelligent ways. But little by little, Geir apparently started to lose more and more interest in anytht having to do with Scn – good or bad – and now he posts an article here and there every 3-5 months, and mostly about his business activities.
So there is a VERY OBVIOUS tendency – and a very fast one I may add – for Scn sympathizers to lose interest in Scn.
I feel that with the next season of “The Aftermath”, what little remain of the Indie field, would become extinct, as the activity will become not cost-effective for any remaining auditors. And IMHO, the reason for that is, that instead of coming forward and publicly accepting the destructive parts of Scn and LRH, and acknowledging and showing some compassion for the victims of abuses committed by LRH HIMSELF, they decided to sweep the dirt under the rug, and became accomplices of such abuses by doing so.
I had been warning them of this since almost 3 years ago, but it fell in deaf ears. Well, some people are not ready for the lessons of life, I guess.
ThetaClear, very good points.the workability of Scn is based on unswerving belief in Hubbard and his writings as completely valid. Without that certainty the “TECH” does not really work. The few areas of Scientology that might be useful could be reduced down to a small paperback at most.
And from my observation the Cherch has no intention of dropping any of its toxic practices or scams. It’s literally eating itself alive.
“The few areas of Scientology that might be useful could be reduced down to a small paperback at most”
Yes, you are right about that, BKmole; it could certainly be reduced to a paperback, or even to a 80-100 pages pamphlet, IMHO.
I remember having to listen to all of LRH’s mental diarrhea of his lectures where he endlessly talked about his great “feats” and anecdotes, before going into the ACTUAL subject and substance of that particular lecture. I mean, the usual 53-60 mins long lecture was perhaps 35-45 mins of mental diarrhea, and the rest about the technical details that he wanted to cover. The whole of the SHSBC lectures (400 + lectures!!!), could ALL be summarized in just one book. I listened to ALL of them, many of them 2-3x, so I know what I am talking about. It is torture itself!
And ANYWAY, whatever “useful” parts Scn may has, most of them are either corrupted in some way from the original concept where he copied his ideas from, or are presented in an authoritative, “I know best” way that makes such “useful” parts booby-trapped. And if those parts can ANYWAY be found in its original and more truthful version , then what is the logic in using anything from Scn? None.
After witnessing the death or maiming of many friends in the mousetrap and having one time barely escaped from it himself, the elder mouse was asked to address his community about the dangers of the trap. He told them “Once When I was starving, the trap saved my life with very good cheese.”
WhatWall, the cheese baiting mousetrap is a perfect analogy for those who still believe there might be one or two things that were good about scientology in the early steps of the bridge. Scientology is like a whore with STD that offers you comfort in the night when you are at your lowest emotional state. It is better to just walk away and wake up to a new day.
Every new thing I read/learn about LRH and the CoS just makes me physically sick to my stomach. I cannot wait until this scam of a “religion” is obliterated from the face of the planet. The end of the CoS cannot come soon enough imo and hopefully, America can deliver the goods on THAT!
Freedom huh?
Unless you sign your soul away for a BILLION years. Unless you try to get out of the “religion” you are in and a car runs you off the road or you have to sit down in the middle of a train station so they can’t physically take you back. Unless you’re having to work your life away to PAY for your “total freedom.” Or unless you want to choose for yourself idk like, if you want to have anything to do with YOUR FAMILY.
It was just a small thing but it completely hit me how little freedom scientologists have when I saw the part on Aftermath how Leah had NEVER walked on the beach for her own pleasure before. Not even the freedom to do minor things like that. Scientology is the exact opposite of FREEDOM.
This is says it all! ^^^
Hubbard talks so much about freedom and breaking chains, but he treated his staff like slaves. His paranoia meant that he could only feel safe if everyone around him was figuratively chained down. His arrogance meant that he thought he deserved such homage.
America may have difficulty in living up to its promise, but we have no need of “insights” from Hubbard to “save” us. I hope he’s hanging out with Jim Jones in Hell.
Naw, Hubbard is still researching the hell out of that BT masquerading as his conscience sitting on some imaginary cloud, in an imaginary body in an imaginary universe far, far away.
Imagine (5th time this comment) the reception he’ll get if he came back?
Or, maybe he’s pleading his case to the Macarb High Council for a couple of battle cruisers and an army to come back and prove it to us Scientology works!
Looks like all he did was rip off Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. Word for word, including “curvaceous.” 🙂
Exactly my thought too!!!!!!
Sahki has an obsession with mountains.
And with Scientology, one truly is making a mountain out of a molehill.
It reads like a drunken, badly plagiarized version of Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech.
The first part (the second, long paragraph), not put in quotes or attributed as it should have been, actually is a section of King’s speech verbatim – you can see in its entirety at the link I provided in another post.
That speech also appears to be copyrighted material, which they may be using without proper authorization (it’s almost certainly a violation to do so, without attribution).
Now it makes sense. Martin Luther King, listing places that need to be freed from slavery, quoted by an ignoramus who never got what King was saying.
So the chief proponent of slavery in the US today, Scientology, uses the words of a magnificent standard bearer for true freedom, MLK, to promote Hubbard’s special brand of bondage.
It couldn’t get more ironic if they were trying.
If Hubbard ever got his way, and the planet were “cleared”, every single human would be in thrall. Every single human would have to follow the “carefully taped path” that Hubbard talks about, no one could question Hubbard’s teachings or waver a single iota from the agenda of his present day followers. Dissenters and undesirables would be “disposed of quietly without sorrow”, as Hubbard suggested in “Science of Survival”. Dave Miscavige would have his boot on the neck of the entire world.
If you doubt that, look at how the elite of Scientology lives today. The Sea Org. They can’t even talk to family members that disagree with Scientology. They labor in obscurity and fear. Every moment of their day is prescribed and restricted. The words of the Dear Leader are met only with “Yes Sir! Immediately if not sooner, Sir!” Any other response is met with savage punishment.
Let freedom ring from every molehill and Hole, from every basement baby watch, from the bilges and the basement tunnels and the mills, open the gates and remove the razor wire. From every Sea Org unit, let the passports be returned to the poorly paid and the overworked, let the aging and weary free to put their lives back together. From the Big Blue and the Int Base, from the Flag Land Base and the Freewinds, from orgs and front groups all over the world, let them free. Let freedom ring.
Amen Brother Bruce!
Nicely put 🙂
Inspired Bruce, so true.
They are going to get that property’s over in Clearwater fla .they are scarred of you and ortaga
In the first section, Sakhi Guma is actually quoting – typically, for scientologists, without proper attribution – Martin Luther King’s 1963 “I Have a Dream” speech given at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/i-have-dream-address-delivered-march-washington-jobs-and-freedom
Yes Mike, cringe is the appropriate word.
The other bit Hubbard said about the common man having worth (yep, money!) and a right to his own determinism – LOL, this is the Cof$ we’re talking about right?
If this is a prison planet, well… Scientology supplies the prison religion to go along with it.
When you really think about it, Hubbard not only ended up on the run from the authorities and legal servers, he was also on the run from his own religious organisation. In fact, he ended up the biggest ethic’s particle in Scientology! And anyone who saw or mentioned that was declared post-haste. Miscavige filled his role quite well and developed it into the one aspect of Scientology that is indeed in power – declares!
“Prison planet”.
I never thought so. That Earth is a prison planet was a datum that to me was false. I think the Earth is mostly a gorgeous place, a marvelous place. Every day a hundred million miracles in nature are happening. I love this planet. I don’t look at it as a prison at all.
Then there was the goal excitedly touted of one day not having to have a body. Existing as just a spirit.
Now, I never had that goal. I always liked having a body. What’s wrong with us having bodies? To me it makes things interesting. Being one day body-less never indicated to me. I’m not saying its a bad goal or anything like that. I’m just saying I never wanted this, personally. Maybe for someone else it would terrific. To each his own.
I suppose my goals were of the pedestrian type, and still are.
I think the only real prisons are not places, but our own mental prisons.
Two psychos that go bad together.
“From the small, rolling hills that are the Himalayas…” LMAO
Hubbards line “That the people of the world had the right to free determinism” is one of his major selling points. “We will rehabilitate a persons self determinism”.
Yes Mr. Hubbard as long as that means agreeing with all your policy letters, all your books, lectures and HCOBs.
That includes subjugating the truth that a person sees with their own eyes, hears with their own ears. It means allowing those who follow the policy’s of Hubbard and his tiny minion Miscavige to manipulate you and order you to do things that you know are wrong. To put yourself in debt to help fill the coffers of a fraudulent organization that turns humans into self-centered, automatons whose only bottom line is their “road to eternity”. Sakhi Guam is the equivalent of every bureaucrat who agreed to do the bidding of the many dictatorships throughout history. Scientology is a modern day example of how a leader of men can pervert the best parts of humanity to be buried by his narcissistic, destructive, dogmatic and cruel tendencies. Mike your blog today is right on the money.
There is a secret message here. LRH says: “That man had a higher destiny than that of slave and that it was time that he broke his chains…” LRH co-opted (adopt an idea or policy for one’s own use.) this American dream of freedom that was originated by the Founding Fathers but LRH’s true intent was to make slaves of all mankind to him. This is what makes it so hard to deal with/study LRH: his outrageous lies always rang true because how could a “slaver” gathering up slaves be spouting “freedom for slaves” and be a slaver himself? It’s obvious what he is doing when you are “out”, but nearly impossible to see when you are inside the cult with no access to information.. Bottom line is that to be free from Scientology you need to understand that LRH is a slaver that continually talks about the Bridge to Total Freedom but only if you become his slave.
Well said!!! I always wondered, when I was in, why these quotes and policies only applied when dealing with the world outside of scio and not within scio. But that’s the thinking that got me out of there! As soon as one sees that, it’s all over. Yay!
Mound fetish?
I love it when you talk dirty!
Someone was bottle fed and has a breast fetish. Lron plagiarizes good stuff and turns it into crap. Now, how many in the Clampire have any real freedom? Once again Lron does not do what he says.
Someday all the exs are going to get together gather up their pitchforks and torches and storm the castles.
The common man has worth…..depending upon how much labor and/or money he can provide and bring into the organization.
The people of the world have a right to free determinism…..free as long as you sign your life away in service to the Sea Org and follow what Hubbard had determined was your life’s destiny. For all others, not so free.
Man has a higher destiny than that of a slave and it is time he broke his chains…..I agree fully. It’s time to break the chains of mental slavery and truly be free to live your life that belongs to you and no one else.
Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain, Georgia? Oh Christ. Stone Mountain is the site of the rebirth of Ku Klux Klan, in 1915. It’s face is scarred with a relief carving of the treasonous slavery defenders Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain on the day that they obliterate that monument to human bondage.
Lord Xenu, when will learn to proofread my non-editable comments? “Its,” not “It’s.”
And his torch…the one he keeps ‘lighted’, not ‘lit’. An experienced writer, no less!
LOL. I was actually railing against my own mistake in my comment I was responding to. But since I failed to proofread my own critique of myself, the result was unclear.
Of course I rank myself above Hubbard in terms of the ability to communicate clearly, succinctly, sensibly and honestly in written English. It amazes me that someone whose dribblings are instantly recognizable as sub-standard authorship actually managed to get into print so consistently over the period of his pre-Dianetics writing career. To be honest, I’ve never read any LRH from his earlier, pulp fiction days but if his later writing is a fair indicator, it was just shit, splattered on the page. Compare him to someone like Isaac Asimov, a writer who came up in the same period and whose fiction of the time still holds up beautifully today (and a damn fine person too, not a mention a genuine Ph.D [Chemistry*]). I don’t know if it galled him early on to share his profession with Hubbard, but it sure galls me.
*Even though the Wikipedia page on Asimov says his Ph.D is in Biochemistry (from Columbia University), I have heard an interview where he explains that it is Chemistry, and that when he was hired to teach Biochemistry at Boston University School of Medicine, he was not quite qualified to teach that subject. But nonetheless he was so successful at it that he became one of the most sought after professors there.
This post is certified proofread. If mistakes abound, the blame the gremlin out there pulling apart the wing of my write flier. (Hat tip to another writer of real talent, Rod Serling)
I know, right? This guy picked weird landmarks to ring Freedom from…molehills of Miss? LOL
Stone Mountain, GA has a monument to slavers? I did not know That! Learned something new – thanks!
Yeah, it’s a total shame, since Stone Mountain is a terrific natural wonder and a nice easy hike for the kids and a cool thing to have within essentially the metropolitan area of a large city like Atlanta. But the racists who controlled it when it was privately owned ruined it with their monument to “Southern culture.” I am so sick of neo-confederate bullshit. What the mayor of New Orleans is doing with removing neo-confederate statuary is a great thing.
Now that I know the whole passage Mike posted in the letter above was plagerized from MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech, it makes perfect sense! O/T, I’ve always disliked turning mountains into monuments to men. Native Americans consider it a sacrilege of nature and I tend to agree. I cannot imagine why one would take a natural wonder and deface it in that way and it doesn’t matter why. Now Atlanta is basically stuck with what they have; which like it or not, doesn’t currently project a good image for the city, imo.
That quote about Stone Mountain is from the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr’s “I Have a Dream” speech at the march at the Lincoln Memorial in 1963. http://www.analytictech.com/mb021/mlk.htm.
He knew whereof he spoke.
I particularly like the bit about letting freedom ring from Stone Mountain, Georgia. That’s the monument to Confederate leaders in the Civil War, who worked awfully hard to keep people enslaved.
He stole that paragraph from MLK without attribution. http://www.analytictech.com/mb021/mlk.htm
Actually, John, they worked hard to keep their culture. However, slavery was already under siege in the South. They found that machinery did it better and cheaper. And the northern big money was losing the business war. Lincoln’s intention to go to war regarding slavery is a fraud in itself. He made no mention of it until 1864 when the north was LOSING the war and he hoped to create a slave rebellion. His actual intention AFTER the war was to ship all the blacks and Mexicans back to their own countries. He wanted a WHITE nation. He also had a great deal to do with killing of many Indian tribes. Even his Cabinet spoke of these things openly. Check the writings of Thomas DiLorenzo and “Forced Into Glory” Abraham Lincoln’s Whte Dream”, written by the gifted black writer, Lerone Bennett. We’ve been fooled for multi decades by an illusion far worse than anything Hubbard pulled off, badass as scio is. The result of that war was over 465,000 dead and over 300,000 wounded and crippled. That’s more than all the other wars America has been in! Lincoln wasn’t any hero!
Lincoln may not have been a hero but he did enact the Emancipation Proclamation which freed those slaves. For whatever reasons he did it, it was a good thing. Slavery has always been bad policy. To this day, we, all of us in America, are still paying in so many ways for that “free” labor. We as a colony and then as a nation had no business dragging African from their homes and across the ocean to toil for us and be subjugated to us. I’m not being pejorative of only the South. The North had freed its slaves only 30 years prior to Lincoln’s action. The North was equally guilty and in fact far more hypocritical in its condemnation of the South because the industrial North had a vast supply of cheap European immigrant labor to toil for practically nothing in its factories while the agrarian South depended largely upon slaves to work the land and sustain its economy. The North had its own type of slaves, the then despised Irish, the Poles, German, Jews…while the South depended upon the blacks.
The Emancipation proclamation did NOT free the slaves. Slavery was legal per the US Constitution. The UNION had slavery during the Civil Was as not all the slave states joined the South. Lincoln issued that “proclamation” (with ZERO legal power behind it)to rally those in the North that were abolitionists and didn’t want to fight the CSA.
“I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.” – Lincoln
“And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.” Lincoln campaign debate.
Regarding reason for attacking the CSA: “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
There are MANY more. History is written by the victor Aqua.
Friends: I am NOT taking sides in the Lincoln debate; that subject deserves a blog of its own. However, I do love your last line Wynski – “History is written by the victor…”
Wynski, very interesting points. You certainly know your American history. But here’s my confusion: if the Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves, why did so many of them run away shortly after it was announced if what you’re saying is that it didn’t LEGALLY free them? So the Yankees came, with Sherman and so forth, and the might of the Yankee army “freed” the slaves, correct? I should probably read up on this.
Also, no argument from me with regard to what was Lincoln’s true opinion regarding the issue of equality between blacks and whites. I believe his views on this were shared by the majority of Americans in both the North and the South at the time.
It seems to me that the Civil War was based not on the plight of the black slave and the injustices perpetrated on him but instead on economics with differing lofty ideals utilized on both sides as the catalysts to get people to aroused and willing to fight.
Aqua, legally as in constitutional. Sherman’s soldiers also looted civilian homes, shot civilians, quartered soldiers in civilian homes, etc. None of it constitutional. The slaves fleeing has NOTHING to do with the proclamation. They fled (some of them) whenever they could during the war and headed to states that did NOT have slavery. I guarantee that they did NOT flee to Union slave states like Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri as they would have still be considered slaves escaped.
You are quite correct as to the cause of the conflict. Slavery was not a consideration to Lincoln attacking the CSA. The 10th Amendment had given secession powers to the States. Lincoln made a huge gamble by violating the constitution. He paid with his life for violating his Oath of Office.
Lincoln did not “go to war” for any reason. The south attempted to rebel. He, as President of the nation, defended the Union and stopped the rebellion. He was clear in his papers that if he could have stopped the southern rebellion without freeing the slaves, he would have. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves only in those states that were in rebellion against the govt. Did he want a slave revolt? Certainly. Militarily, that would have been a good thing for the North, to have the South fighting a 2 front war.
Of course this war killed more “americans” than any other war: it was americans verse americans. The South started a war of rebellion, and the North won it. And that is why we are one nation, not two.
i find it best not to heroize any President. In regards to Lincoln, there is much in his presidency that can not be considered good, but he was a President in a time of rebellion – so he really has no peer on that stage, as no other President has had to deal with such an event.
The North was not guiltless in the slave trade and racism is not solely the province of the south. It is a horrid trait endemic in the whole of our nation.
gtsix, 10th Amendment
Wynski: a rebellion was attempted. It was defeated. And 156 years later, still can’t accept that. Amazing.
There is no constitutional basis that allows any state to secede: Texas v. White (1869)
So you can:
Ask the federal govt to allow you to secede (good luck!)
Amend the constitution (good luck!)
Go to war and WIN (good luck!)
I find it comical that a piece of promo for Stone Mountain depicts a black family standing on the very top.
Let freedom ring, indeed!
Just finished reading Bare Faced Messiah – LRH was a piece of shit. If he was alive today he’d be the biggest joke. Just imagine LRH was like 55yrs old in 2017 using Twitter, FB, Internet…LOL
Phenomenal read! I am halfway through and can hardly put it down. LHR was one of the biggest scumbags ever born. He was a wife cheating, stealing, compulsive lying, fraudulent dirt bag IMO. His tech is nothing more than some garbage he spewed out while trying to think of ways to take in more money off of dianetics. The entire thing was a giant con that he began to believe due to his massive mental illness. This book should be a mandatory reading for all ex members so they don’t end staying a Ron-Bot even after leaving the church.
Amen to everything you’ve said.
To make sure America delivers the goods? WTF does that mean? Make sure America delivers Freedom – Or what happens if it doesn’t?
Maybe he had delusions of running for President? Didn’t he once mention in a lecture about a common washing machine motor sold in the US that vibrated at a certain hypnotic level. Don’t take for granted what Hubbard could come up with… his “rinse cycle” was being piloted when he was forced to run for cover.
What I don’t get is that NO ONE in the Wog World has anything nice to say about L Ron Hubbard – I mean – he has a very negative impression upon anyone who may know of him….most people don’t know about him or care…..
And yet these clubbed Seals believe every word they are told.
Proof – that hypnosis and mind control tactics work when standardly applied.
Hi Idle Morgue: I was at a book store sidewalk sale last week. It was clear that the store had pulled many books from storage that never sell. What do you think I saw but LRH and Dianetics books. People were laughing and taking pictures with them and making fun of them. It was quite something to see. But yes, you are right about the Wog World and how they feel about him. Also, these books were still there when I went back at the end of the day.
Lol. Funny story. I did not know it is truly thought of as a joke now. The old timers, shd they come to their senses, are sure going to be surprised. Wasn’t that bad when I left only 7 years ago and I was still very surprised at the ‘wog’ world but many never heard much about it then. Now I don’t meet anyone who does not know. Yesterday the camper next to me told me she joined staff at SanDiego …. for a day 🙂
Idle Morgue, I think that one of the strongest things that keeps people in the church, and in-line with the policies etc., is ‘group agreement’.
If those around you are ignoring certain things, and emphasizing others, you may too, at least for awhile.
It’s hard to break out of that, if those around you are your friends.
Spike, I agree that ‘group agreement’ or peer pressure is certainly part of any group activity. It’s why certain individuals also get into drugs or why the alcoholic has their ‘drinking buddies’. It’s incumbent upon the individual to take personal responsibility for their actions in any potentially toxic or dangerous situation or relationship. If your higher self is telling you, hey this doesn’t ‘feel right’, then it most likely isn’t. It’s at that point I would tell my kids that they need to find new friends.
Shareen, I totally agree. You’ve gotta ‘listen to your inner voice’.