I was sent this Facebook message by Aaron Smith-Levin, who received it from Aida Barbosa in Mexico City. He does not know Aida. But she is very concerned that Aaron may know someone who is connected to Mark Bunker and that he should unfriend that person on Facebook as soon as he figures out if that person has other friends connected to Bunker.
Obviously she does not know who Aaron is or that he is more than Facebook friends with Mark Bunker.
But it gives some insight into the world of scientology and how panicked they are about Mark Bunker. And that, as has been said so often, it is OSA that calls the shots even for public scientologists on who they can and cannot be friends with.
This is social distancing at a whole new level.
Of course, this is scientology “disconnection tech” in use. As it always has been.
But it’s always good to put this sort of thing out into the world for everyone to see just how crazy things are inside the bubble of scientology.
And if you would like to follow Mark Bunker here is his Facebook page and here is his Twitter page.
Mark Bunker is a good man. Watching his videos and seeing how nice of a guy he is was the final nail in the Scientology coffin for me. To use an old phrase, “he’s the kind of guy I could have a beer with.” I hope he does some good down there in Clearwater.
You must watch this. https://youtu.be/5oVoyMHe1t0
Look the trailer of a B movie halfway indipendente day and gosthbusters
I was friends on Facebook with Aaron in 2011. I got a Facebook message from someone in CW that he has been declared, and I should unfriend him. I ask for proof and she said to go to the MAA and ask to see the goldenrod. That didn’t sound like much fun, because when Debbie Cook’s email came out, I went to the MAA at Flag and asked for data. I was grilled on the spot. Instead, I searched the internet and found the story about his family and secret meetings at the Starbucks. I stopped reading. Of course, I was too late.
I got to pay for a nice black PR sec check a few years later for this.
You know you’re in a cult when… yet another example.
This is prima facie evidence of how Scientology exercises totalitarian social control over its members, organized by the regime and delegated down to “minders” in the field, a la Orwell’s 1984 or North Korea.
The line “Obviously she does not know who Aaron is or that he is more than Facebook friends with Mark Bunker” really made me laugh!
Peace maker. Just right. If one gives a look to what fascism is, he will recognize the same identity in the way it rules over the people and control their thoughts.
And I’d like to add that the goal in any spiritual practice IS or should to free from thought control.
Plus hubbard himself writes that scientology ISN’T democratic.
This last sentence is like the authenticated signature on a painting.
Mark Bunker, dragon slayer. Yep, that fits! …..đđ
The COS no doubt see themselves as mighty dragons. But in reality, a more appropriate statement might be, Mark Bunker, newt squasher.
When I read these things from time to time I really wonder if DM ever thought how much what he did to Mike or others influenced the Scientology scenario now. In other words, if he ever thought for at least a second ‘if I had never done what I did I would not be where I am now …’.
Too late you did it and this tells me that even after clear one is still reactive.
He pulled it in. đ
LOL Trev!!
The almighty Scientologists who are or are becoming cause over matter, energy, space, and time CAN’T BE FRIENDS OF FRIENDS OF CRITICS ON FACEBOOK.
It would be appropriate to re-think the Monopoly Game Board, and convert it to Downtown Clearwater and Scientology teachings. The game pieces could be the âFreewindsâ , Big Ron, Little Dave, E meter, Credit card, etc. Chance cards would read âGo to Sea Org for 1 billion yearsâ or âPay income taxâ, etc. The play money would be called Ron Buckâs….
Oh my gosh I stopped collecting Monopoly games a very long time ago but I would buy the crap out of that. Who can sue Scientology enough to win their trademarks?
The First Independent Church of Scientology has been trying for years.
Since they are non profit, I donât think that they could sue, but it would be interesting to find out how far this could go….Could be a good money raiser for the Aftermath Foundation…
You left out , ” have an overt thought,” masturbated or any other things which are ” out tech”, go straight to RPF.
He’s not so much striking fear into scientology’s heart as OSA’s
Great reply. I thought Davey’s asthma was cured a long time ago. I read literature that said asthma was really psychological and does not even classify as an illness. The drinking will not help him in the long run. The last picture I saw of him was very bad. He looked tired and depressed.
George alcool does it.
I mean drinking special whiskey like Macallan almost 400 dollar a bottle.
Now, shame on you guys! The Scientology website assures us that David Miscavige does not drink scotch. And you know that anything you read on there is absolute truth.
Right?
Alcoboy. You are just right. I apologize. Shame on me and my critics.
It is time for the courts to put that ancient and rediculous restraining order to rest.
When are the cult members going to get sick and tired of being treated like children who can be told just who they may or may not talk to, what they may or may not be permitted to read? And just what do they think really will happen to them. Daddy DM will be angry with them, take their allowance from them, ground them? He already does all those things.
I know there’s more to it than that, that the brainwashing may have them convinced, for now, that their destiny has been ruined. But honestly, especially the teens should have some DNA in them that says rebel! How about the public who get hounded for more and more money. When are they going to see this is a culture of pain with no gain. How may OTs have they witnessed with super powers, something tangible. Some real evidence.
I know there are diehards who cannot escape what has been drilled into them, but surely there are some out there who have sincere doubts. Where’s their curiosity about just what they are told not to look at.
LRH is gone people. Dead. He’s not coming back no matter what he said.
Peggy L posed the question:
“When are the cult members going to get sick and tired of being treated like children who can be told just who they may or may not talk to, what they may or may not be permitted to read?”
They probably won’t, IMO. They’ve gotten comfortable with not having to think, only blindly follow orders, as long as DM’s been running the show.
Peggy, many of those left are the ones who desire “certainly” and want simple black-and-white answers provided to them so they don’t have to think for themselves, and face life’s complexities and ambiguities.
It seems that quite a few born-in teens do, predictably, rebel. That seems to be one of the things that’s sapping Scientology’s strength, the younger generation who don’t want to be involved, or get in only half-heartedly, including apparently as Sea Org members where they often don’t last long.
A solid part of the Scientology business plan is to do juvenilize their membership. This is done more strictly to staff and Sea Org, but even the public have this run on them.
Who you canât be friends with, having to ask permission to take time off from course, not being allowed to âtalk backâ to staff or seniors, having to CSW to do anything from getting married to takIng a day off, to being allowed to go to bed instead of staying up on some pointless all-hands. On and on.
And of course, all the focus on âuh oh, now Iâm in troubleâ and having to be sent to ethics.
These are not things that grown, thinking adults put up with. But grown thinking adults are not whatâs wanted; obedient children are what is wanted.
Those staff members have given up their families, credit, money , phones, ECT. They are completely watched and monitored their every move. So even if they wanted to escape they would be found very quickly and man handled , sent off to some remote place behind barbed wire fences never to be seen from again. They sold their soul to the devil himself ,,,Hubbard
That’s just sad, and in great part because what LRH used for control was exactly what he learned from, the very thing he went on to hate, psychology. No doubt he studied a lot about mind control. In his own way he was an evil genius just like so many others who destroyed so many lives. I suppose the justice was that he was the architect of his own downfall and death. His evil plan boomeranged right back at him. Oh, all that money and power in the end did him no good. Unfortunately there are a lot of innocent people whose life could be left in ruin in the wake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiFQelaboqM&t=90s
Ron is back to solve the problem
Scientology has another word for “social distancing” and it is called DISCONNECTION. They practice this daily making sure they only associate with other robots who “believe”.
It won’t be hard for Scientologists to not get covid 19. They have no money, have no friends, have no members, have no life.
This virus just may make our postulate come true. Scientology could finally get flushed down the toilet for eternity. It may end Scientology forever.
LXBTR,
I think you have it. They will disconnect and socially distance from humanity until they end up cannibalizing one another on a deserted island.
The problem with Cannibalism is that one eventually runs out of other people to eat.
covid-19 will affect scientology’s leader ONLY if a significant number of his slaves die from it. Those who survive will chalk it up to DM’s BRILLIANT plan and be eternally grateful, boosting their devotion to the little guy.
LXBTR. If isn’t the covid 19 to do something it would be ozone and other substances that they keep spraying around in order to continue gathering togheter.
Yeah, they’re so good at disconnecting. Not so good at connecting! But they sure do have DISconnecting down.
One would think they’d apply that Hubbard datum of (paraphrased) “You get what you have your attention on”. One would think they’d be really focused on connecting with people.
But no. All of their focus seems to be on how to keep Scientologists away from people; how to keep them FROM communicating.
Most of the world is ‘antago’ towards $cientology. Mark Bunker was just early on that parade float.
Hey! Isn’t that the latest dance? The Antago? I hear it’s a blast!
Zee, “antago” merely means NOT parroting the corporate line EXACTLY. Asking ONE question, like “Where’s Shelly?” is sufficient reason to get you utterly ruined, if they can accomplish it.
Or, if you’re Leah Remini asking that question, it could blow up in Scamology’s face with an ALMIGHTY bang!!!
Mark is unlike any other opponent facing Miscavige and Scientology. Mark understands the cult and how it operates. In addition, he is dedicated to stopping this “religion”. Having purchased millions of dollars of property in Clearwater, Scientology is very vulnerable no matter what they do with the property. Scientology is now a stationary target that can be hit from all angles. Anyone who understands historical battles can see that Scientology has made a huge mistake. Good luck Mark.
Dear George here you’ll find the guy who claims to have written the nfamous issue of OT 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiFQelaboqM&t=90s
He is the modern day Steve Fishman. A complete fraud.
Thanks. I remember him from Tony Ortega’s Blog.
I understand some of Scientology’s vulnerability regarding the Clearwater property. As numbers decrease, utilization of the properties will decrease, so income from them will decrease also. Before coronavirus utilization was suspect already. Buildings have upkeep costs even if they are not taxed. Without upkeep, they go downhill fast. For all the millions spent on real estate there must be hundreds of thousands spent on upkeep, over time. It is a drain on the once-limitless Miscavige slush fund that eventually will be felt. But if the money is not spent on the empty buildings, the heart of Clearwater will become a crumbling ruin, not a good testament to the efficacy of Scientology.
Clearwater Scientology could easily become a few seldom-used quasi-Christian Science Reading Rooms, exactly as it already is in many cities. That will put a lot of Scientology or Scientologist-owned buildings up for sale or in need of rejuvenation. I just hope their condition is such that new owners can turn them into something good for the city. I’d hate to see the ‘Ronbot’ blight turn into a physical real estate blight in downtown Clearwater.
Mark must understand that for all practical purposes Scientology is a leaderless organization, top-heavy with undereducated so-called “executives” who couldn’t put together an MBA if they pooled all their education in a single pot. The management is so toxic today that it is a wonder they have any members left at all.
The coronavirus will probably thin the ranks even further. I’m not sure exactly what the future holds, but I know Lil Davey’s asthma puts him in a high risk group. Other than his dictatorial control, there is no leadership; neither is there a genuine board of directors to choose someone to fill the void if he was no longer in power.
There is NO “testament to the efficacy of scientology” The withering and decay of downtown Clearwater was evident to all long before the SP building was a gleam in DwarfenfĂźhrer’s eye.
Ammo Alamo,
There’s no “management” in scientology, no nothing which could choose the next leader. I’m sure that if DM has considered the possibility at all, he’ll expect to see his demise start a power struggle whose “winner” will succeed just as he did, ensuring that only the most ruthless will helm what’s left of scientology then.
Wow, yes, asthma is high risk. Wonder where the Dwarf is holing up now, if you’ll pardon the pun. Probably at Int Base I’d think, with all that hot, dry air as opposed to Florida’s hot humid air.
That is a very encouraging comment George.
Unfortunately, I do not really understand just why that makes them vulnerable. Would it be possible for you to expand a little bit on the reasons? I’d truly love to hear more about this.
I am letting my military background shine through. Having been in the Army, I think in military terms. In fact, I call myself a General and I have made my wife a LT. My dog is now a sergeant. I command the Army of the Mississippi. Seriously, battles have now become a hobby.
Scientology is skilled in sucking in people into a “religion” but they cannot deal in retail. The more they are exposed, the bigger the target. In the Army, we “Move, Shoot and Communicate”. An Army only rests on higher ground. Scientology is a target on lower ground. No Army makes itself a target. It is a STUPID move. Interior lines give command of the battlefield. Scientology is dispersed. I hope this helps. I play Army everyday as the years progress. I left the Army in 1971 but the life is returning. I manned Hawk missels in Korea and monitored Migs from North Korea. These people are far smarter than Scientologists. Simple.
Thank you George. Your reply was very much appreciated.
I sure do hope you are right. I’d love to see this cult die and die a painful death.
Actually, the only one I would wish any pain upon is the rat who claims to be a pope. What a dipstick!
George, I agree that the CofS – and its whales – have a brewing problem with all the vacant property on their hands, particularly now that they’re probably not going to be developing an entertainment district or anything like that. The coming downturn is likely to be hard on them – many of the still-unfinished idle morgue buildings were bought at the peak of the last bubble and then left to languish when money dried up.
I’d think that the whales would start to be really pinched sitting on vacant properties, especially if they have mortgates or end up needing to liquidate unproductive holdings just to keep afloat. There’s a possibility that some of them, being people likely to have some actual business sense, are going to become disaffected over this mess.
The only out I see is what may be inevitable for other reasons, that Scientology tries to consolidate all its Clearwater operations including berthing in one central downtown area. Miscavige could then claim “expansion” of their flagship footprint even if the Sea Org has been pared down, and fewer housed. And I’d assume he’d try to get whales to “donate” properties in what would effectively be yet another communist-style appropriation of property for the collective cause, more like what everyday members get subject to when they are expected to give up all their assets and even their houses (or least the equity).
The CofS is probably also facing similar problems in LA with far-flung under-utilized property holdings, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see consolidation there in the vicinity of Big Blue, also disingenuously billed as “expansion.”
Makes me want to “friend ” poor Kris / Chris Klenotiz!
Mest_Up….
Done, Sir!
Please contribute to the motion.
“Please contribute to the motion.”
Which way do I go, God Damnit!
I suspect Kris/chris is accumulating a number of friend requests, one of the unintended consequences of scn’s overly heavy-handed dealings. OSA only HAS a sledgehammer, so everything they see is something to crush.
That’s depressing. Unbelievable they can’t see how petty and paranoid that looks. (How petty and paranoid it IS, yes, but they don’t even notice how it looks. Always surprises me how narcissism doesn’t even comprehend its own appearance, with which it is so obsessed.)
So Aaron used to be friends with someone who used to be friends with Aida — that’s how this happened? She forwarded to all the friends of her friends, regardless of whether she knew them? She says in the message to forward to “mutual friends,” which implies that she was friends with Aaron herself.
Whatâs even more funny is that they donât seem to know that Aaron is also an SP and on the board of the Aftermath Foundation. I donât know if Aaron was officially declared but anyone working with Mike especially with the Aftermath Foundation is considered an SP. I believe we SPs now outnumber active Scientologists by quite a bit.
Their admin is terrible. Iâm a declared SP. I could probably walk into the local org and they wouldnât know.
They’re freaking out and alerting everyone over Mark’s being elected to the city Council, but are doing Nothing about protecting themselves from Coronavirus . . . . . ‘where Ignorance is bliss’ . . . . . . .
Talk about BLIND. they can see nothing beyond the last task they were given to do, which is their handlers’ intention. Keep the clapping clams focussed only on what TPTB want them to see/think, and not thinking. It’s been working for the Twit⢠for 30 years.
I actually feel sorrry for the poor bastards sometimes. But not very often. Those fuckers left me to die with no medical care; actually taking me away from Dr Denk who had taken action to get me proper care.
Along with holding my wife against her will for 6 months and the demise of many of my friends on tje ship.
Besides, I have been posted to the post of Suppressive Person. I need to do my A-I hat and produce the products of the post in quantitry.
Then, when enough of them has died from the virus and their own stupidoty, I will feel sorry for them.
If this sounds callous or cold; what the hell do you expect from an SP.
DMTNT ,
Understood on all you’ve said.
Feel sorry for them or don’t feel sorry for them.
Feel a little, or feel a lot.
Or feel nothing.
It doesn’t matter.
It won’t matter.
Because what they’re experiencing has nothing to do with your feelings one way or another.
Karma is a bitch.
A total bitch đ
So feel what you feel when you feel it, and be well, Bill đ