There is a constant stream of demands for funds from Scientologists to finance David Miscagive’s follies. From his PI’s and rented Peeping Tom outposts (spying on detractors) to the waste of useless printed promotion and massive numbers of useless books sent to libraries.
But that sort of insanity should be fairly easy to see. There is a more covert but perhaps more pervasive side of the story of financial crimes. One that is highlighted by a widely circulated email from the relentless “fundraisers” for “Ideal Orgs.”
Just as with the LRH Birthday Game, they are foisting off apparent LRH quotes to justify their off-policy activities. They have not merely taken a quote out of context, but quoted from the VERY reference that explains how fees for SERVICES pays for buildings and everything else (including all activities of the IAS…) to apparently bless the idea that everyone should ALSO give money for “Idle Orgs.”
Thus, while the clubbed seals are still paying service prices calculated against the need to cover the cost of buildings, defense, dissemination and humanitarian projects, they are being lied to that LRH wanted them to pay separately for all these things in addition to services.
Here is the FULL text of the article with what they excerpted in boldface. And yes, this excerpt is ALL they used as a justification for giving money to Ideal Orgs.
And no, there is NOT another LRH reference that supersedes or invalidates “What Your Fees Buy” — though there are several that reinforce it.
This is something that should be broadly disseminated to onlines Scientologists. Proof in the very words of L. Ron Hubbard that the “Ideal Org” program and the IAS are off-policy, squirrel scams.
Shout it from the rooftops. It’s not complicated. It’s right there in black and white (at the very least, one would expect the cost of service to go down by about 70% if they are no longer paying for all this…)
If anyone actually duplicates what is said in this reference they cannot continue to support David Miscagive’s Vulture Culture.
WHAT YOUR FEES BUY
By L. Ron Hubbard
I wonder if you’ve ever estimated how much it costs to launch a new subject into the world, keep it pure, keep it going right, make progress and defend it.
For that matter, what do you suppose it costs an organization to deliver an hour of processing?
I know that Dianetic and Scientology services should be free and I wish they were.
Personally I have tried to do my part in this. None of the researches of Dianetics and Scientology were ever actually paid for out of organizational fees. With my typewriter I paid for the research myself. Occasionally orgs were supposed to but they never did.
Independent of research costs, the 13 1/2 million dollars that orgs owed me for services rendered, 10% (the usual author’s royalties), lectures, loans, things paid out of my own pocket I never collected.
As even the royalties of the first book were given to orgs for their work, I didn’t even make anything out of that best seller. Its paperback is again a newsstand best seller in the U.S. but I don’t collect those royalties either. Even today I draw less than an org staff member and they draw very little.
So the fees you pay for service do not go to me.
A Sea Org member draws only about four pounds a week and his room and board. We run our ships and stations at a cost that would make a cost accountant disbelieve it. So not much of your fee goes to them even though they bear a full burden of management of pure services.
Org staff members over the world work for so little that Execs occasionally get letters from their landladies demanding orgs increase their pay level so staff members can pay their rent.
So not much of your fees goes to them.
Occasionally some org or franchise goes on a big kick of high pay. We very soon pull the rug out from under that. So if your fee went that way for a brief period we corrected the outness fast as we frown on money-motivation like a thundercloud.
Some fringe fellows know that if you had a complete monopoly on the only workable mental technology on the planet you could make billions. That’s why they’re on the “fringe”. So we prevent your fee from going in that direction.
Then where does your fee go?
—–
Since 1950. So-called “mental health” groups have fought to discredit and decrease the power of Dianetics and Scientology.
For 19 years, using their press control, government stooges and puppets, these psychiatric front groups have conducted a continuous suppressive covert operation against us.
Why? They feared that as our power increased they would lose their easy appropriations and fail in their plans for a 1984 World.
We were not even in their line of country – the insane. Yet such was their fear, they have spent untold sums to bring about our destruction.
We not only know who why and where with full documentation we also know their sordid intentions for the world. Some of your fee made the work to collect that evidence possible.
Bad press, inquiries, bans, these are the surface you see. Those are their fingerprints.
Below that level it’s a rough fight and has been for 18 years.
Our press consultants tell us we must never mention it as it “frightens the public.”
We are in the weird position of being perhaps the only really effective Western security force. We wouldn’t give five pence for the rest of them combined.
If a definition of governing is maintaining an orderly peace in which business can be conducted, then there sure isn’t any real government.
So a portion of your fee is spent on patching up the damage done, keeping going in spite of attacks and nullifying the actions against the West of a very choice lot of bad hats. If we didn’t have the documentary evidence I wouldn’t dare mention it.
It costs money to bring cases up to US Supreme Court level as we have. The legal defense expenses we have in a dozen countries is not small.
So a portion of your fees goes to keeping the subject available to you and to the world.
We work very hard to keep tech being done well. It is nothing for us to put two people on a fast plane and send them half around the world to straighten up the Case Supervision and auditing in an area so you can have confidence in the service you get.
It is routine to send the highest class people we have to handle “ARC Breaks of Long Duration” in the field or on admin lines or to see they get handled.
Your fee supports a long and complex set of communication lines by which tech and admin can be cared for rapidly.
A portion of your fee just the other day began a survey of a backward country to introduce high speed educational processes to bring their people quickly from the stone age up to present time. The “Peace Corps” was also there on cushy government funds building houses for a big construction company at a nice profit. But we, unsupported, began the effective work actually needed there to help the people.
A tiny bit of your fee neated up an area ruined for Americans by the American Navy.
Small parts of your fee heal up a lot of things over the world.
But the biggest part of your fee stays right in your area. It is used to make training and processing and data available to the next fellow first by keeping the org there and second by letting him know about it and third by making as sure as possible that the training and processing he gets is standard and effective.
Your fee keeps the nearest org alive and functioning and the environment safe.
It is not easy to do, hit repeatedly as we are.
Gradually little by little we are taking the pressure off our orgs. Gradually surely and certainly the bad hats and losing their own power in the world.
If we had the fantastic sums appropriated to “mental health” (and put largely in their own pockets or used to try to crush anyone else) we would make a lot lot lot more progress. As we wouldn’t also have to fight the lies that money buys into press and government.
But we don’t have appropriations. They are given only to those who deal in death, it seems.
So little by little, using the fees you give us for your service, your training and your processing, we create little by little areas of sanity.
And as these areas spread out, releasing and Clearing the community, if we continue to be alert and competent, perhaps those areas will meet one country, one continent to the next and we will have a cleaner, saner world.
Your fee is supporting and continuing the greatest hope that man had ever had and the orgs and people vital to its survival and increase.
Your fee does what it takes to get the job done.
Thank you.
L. Ron Hubbard
Hello Mike,
they used the same excerpt some years ago already. Curious as I am I got the whole reference so I could see the excerpt in context. Somehow I am glad they used it, as it helped me to open my eyes.
It’s common to religious groups since ever, to use chunks of quotes out of context in order to control people.
And I never wanted to be part of a group which uses such fragments for such purposes.
It’s common practise in the Church of Scientology nowadays. Faced with a EO in front of you, he shows you references, let’s you look at selected paragraphs only and if you ask for the whole reference, they say you only need the selected paragraph.
A true Clear may not get keyed in but he can still have present time problems. Life is full of randomity which is why conditions formulas are so useful and necessary if applied on a self determined basis at all levels of the Bridge. Losing one’s job, spouse, heath care – one wouldn’t need to be keyed in to the bank for these to be concerning..
Martin, I have to respectfully disagree, as I don’t consider the new Ideal Orgs to be aesthetic traps, particularly. They can’t compare to the architecture of other religions. The RCS calls the Super Power building a “cathedral”. To me it resembles a big box store. Of course, I haven’t been inside, lol.
You wanna see cathedrals, go to Notre Dame, go to Westminster Abbey, The Sistine Chapel or St Pats in NYC – these are magnificent structures and serious aesthetic traps, IMO to which the RCS couldn’t even hold a candle, if you’ll pardon the pun. So incredibly beautiful, awe-inspiring. I could sit and listen to anything if/when surrounded by such beauty.
This is a generalization but I believe that the majority of those still “in” at this point, whether they are ordinary public, celebs, Class V org staff or Sea Org, are in the Fear tone level – chronic fear, and are PTS Type I to the RCS,. They doubt other’s reality, they doubt their own reality. They can’t spot their SP and they think its Big Pharma and the Shrinks. Now, certainly the people who make drugs and create “disorders” , who work topush drugs for the handling of ORDINARY human functions like eating, digesting food, sleeping, having sex, talking to others, being social, etc – basic human functions, are certainly, to my mind, SPs, except that with RCSers these are not THEIR SPs – wrong target. So, boy are they confused, and very PTS, and they can’t see it, can’t as-is it, which throws them downtone to Fear, and keeps them there. I pick up that they are very, very wary, very very careful, whilst at the same time making a strenuous effort to be uptone. I’m pegging it at chronic fear. My 2 cents.
(Oh, and also, I’m not at all saying that all drugs are bad. btw., far from it. What I’m referring to which IMO qualifies Big Pharma as SPs is the “mindset” that we ALL need some kind of permanent drug in order to eat, sleep, , have sex,; talk to people – activities that Man has been doing pretty well without the help of drugs for many thousands of years.)
Good post Mike as per usual.
Ronnie Bell: regarding the old OT levels…my own reseach confirms exactly what you said.
If you go on the net and actually look a what processes the old OT levels are, you will find out that they are many of the “one-shot-clear” processes LRH was working on in the 1950’s. The fact that these processes worked so amazingly on some pc’s and didnt work on others, is what prompted much of LRH’s research into the grades and eventually OTIII.
So, yes, the current OT line up in the church thru New OT7, is really improved OTIII. I think anyone done these levels should consider doing the “old” OT levels as these are what Ron thought OT was about.
The Idle Trap.
“AESTHETICS AND TRAPS
From 20ACC-16 of 23 July 1958
Now, where aesthetics have turned against the preclear or he has become dependent on something else for his aesthetic quality and then it betrayed him, you have the neatest Rock you’ll ever have. Now, that’s a wonderful Rock. That’s thud!
This individual walked into the door of the most beautiful building he had ever seen, and they grabbed him and put him in the clink and held the body in duress and transported the soul elsewhere, you know. Fabulous situation. But he was attracted there by an aesthetic.
Well, this is the entrapment by aesthetics. And you’ll find aesthetics are a usual trap. That’s why you find, by the way, Dianetics and Scientology are not all trapped up with a whole bunch of horse-aesthetics. Get the idea? You’ll find a few of them around because they’re un-avoidable. But it’s not that anybody’s against aesthetics, but we don’t want starry-eyed people wandering in the front door dramatizing for the hundred-thousandth time the lock where they see a beautiful building and walk in. Or the lock of where they hear beautiful music and walk in, where they hear a beautiful organ playing and a choir singing and they walk in the front door. See? Because all you do is collect a lot of nuts.”
Ronnie Bell, I think what “clear on the first dynamic” means is that you have gotten rid of your own reactive mind, but now you need to get rid of the other beings’ reactive minds that are infecting you. I don’t think it means that you are now only subject restimulators on other dynamics. Just an arbitrary guess is that at least 90% of the restimulators in anyone’s life or the things that upset or key in a person are outside of himself. This is clear not just in common sense, but in all the examples Ron gives in DMSMH of the person being keyed in by all the things others are saying all the time, as well as by the pictures in the 1969 HCO Bs and later in the picture books. A person is yelled at by his senior (3D) so becomes keyed in to an earlier engram. A person’s wife leaves him (2D) and he gets keyed into secondaries about his parents and earlier engrams. A person’s priest kicks him out of the church (7 & 8D) and he gets keyed into a pre-natal engram of his father screaming “get out” to mother. So the Clear would allegedly get rid of all the engrams above and so NOT get keyed in by any of the restimulators on any dynamic, as he no longer has the engrams to be keyed in. If a Clear is subject to key ins on dynamics 2-7 , why … that is pretty much the same condition as all people are in on Earth. Anyway, the dynamics aren’t seperated out like this in life anyway, Ron even makes that clear in his writings. They are all mixed together. First dynamic? So if I am kicked out of the CoS and lose my job and income, then my health plan is lost and my first dynamic is now threatened, so I get keyed in. In any case, there have been many stories on Marty’s blog about OTs who seem to be totally socked in.
Joe, it might be good to do some review of what Hubbard actually said about the state of Clear. Although he described some incredible attributes of the state, nowhere did he claim that it was the be-all-end-all of existence, as you seem to be inferring. Yes, he did use some fairly flowery prose in his descriptions, but I personally can separate that from his technical descriptions of the state.
Understand that Clear on the first dynamic only means that the guy is at peace with himself, for himself, and by himself. Put others into the mix (2nd, 3rd, 4th dynamics, etcetera) and he may be less peaceful. Why? He’s still got case to address where it comes to his relationships with other beings and the material universe. That case is a completely different type of case than the case below the state of Clear. Undoing the engram bank is what eventually produces the state of Clear. It does not make the guy golden on anything outside of himself. Sure, the guy can now handle many things across the dynamics much better than he could before, but the potential for him to be impinged upon by things external to himself is still there.
As a Clear myself, all of this is quite real to me. The state of mind is very personal, but it does allow one to cope much better with things outside of oneself. Still – as LRH said, “Clears are still subject to the vagaries of life…” He goes on to say that this is the reason that Clears need to be “pushed” through the upper levels. Arriving at Clear sort of opens a previously closed Pandora’s Box of case that didn’t impinge so much on the guy before.
Ronnie, your points well made. I understand what you are talking about. I do believe in infinity valued logic and not absolutes myself. I just ponder the question sometimes (not all the time by the way – ha0 – at what point or case level does a being cross the line into the general area of cause and less restim on the dynamics so that he will not be the effect to the point that so many Scientologists (who have moved up the grade chart) seem to be in the CoS (where they blindly follow leaders without questioning or often even SEEING). I understand that this may vary from individual to individual, but it would seem to me that that line would have to be crossed at some point for a person to be anywhere NEAR being a free being (and generally speaking, I haven’t seen it much in 40 years in Scientology and I think that THIS is the basic problem we see in the CoS).
Joe, when I was first involved with Scientology some forty years ago, there were lots of people on the scene who had extraordinary levels of beingness and heightened spiritual abilities. They were all people who’d done a number of OT levels. In those days I personally witnessed some OTs do things, and exhibit qualities, that were far beyond ‘above average’.
In addition to that, I experienced a resurgence of heightened awareness and spiritual abilities of my own. No one had to convince me that application of Scientology tech led to these releases. I experienced it for myself, and saw the same things happening in others who did the Bridge.
To answer your question more precisely, the number one reason that people no longer achieve the sort of wins that are forecast by Ron, is that his tech has been horribly squirreled by church management – specifically, David Miscavige. Literally half of the OT levels (known as the “old” OT levels today) aren’t even delivered by the church today. LRH never replaced any OT levels, nor did he do away with any of the materials of those sections. Why were they yanked from the OT line-up?
After resigning from the church last year, I began to see references online to OT sections beyond the current eight offered by the church. At first I didn’t know what to make of it, but as I read more about it, I discovered that what people were talking about, were the original OT levels. What I didn’t know, was that everything above OT III had been shelved by the church, and that those levels had been replaced by LRH’s later advancements/improvements to the OT line-up.
In order to understand this, a very good reference to start with would be: LRH ED 301 INT 17 December 1978 The Year Of Lightning Fast New Tech
If we can get Jim Logan to chime in here, he can explain it expertly. Hope this helps.
[blockquote][b]Ronnie Bell[/b]: Literally half of the OT levels (known as the “old” OT levels today) aren’t even delivered by the church today. LRH never replaced any OT levels, nor did he do away with any of the materials of those sections. Why were they yanked from the OT line-up?[blockquote]
“Anyone who is Clear but not OT III is to get through OT III immediately so he can receive this special rundown. After OT III, one does New OT IV (the OT Drug Rundown), then New OT V, Audited NOTs, followed by New OT VI (Solo NOTs Auditor Course) and New OT VII (Solo NOTs Auditing).”
[b]HCOB 12 Sep 78R Dianetics Forbidden On Clears and OTs[/b]
I realize the validity of that HCOB will be under question too.
That policy letter is old and Hubbard isn’t running the Church anymore. Iceberg Grimm had to clean up Hubbard’s overt products, the books, the auditors. What a mess! The crummy buildings full of “Scientology consumers”. Hubbard had low standards and wallowed in lower conditions and Iceberg is handling that mess he inherited. Daddy Iceberg is pimping the Nation of Islam! In ADDITION to the Nation of Scientologists! I bet he has already bitch slapped Louis , he turned him out. Hubbard had too many distractions like research and clearing and making auditors. Bullshit! Daddy Iceberg inherited a bunch of CONSUMERS and turned them into bringing in the scratch instead of whining about some and want and need! You can take a ride if you hand over the hide. Otherwise nobody wants to hear about those sorry assed Hubbard ideas. Iceberg Daddy had to cancel the certs of every auditor Hubbard made . As a safety measure! Hubbard was dangerous, didn’t you get the memo? If you want some love from Iceberg Daddy you better hit those streets and put together some scratch. And what your fees buy ain’t nobodies business but Chairman of the Board. That’s the current memo.
How Ron is describing affairs is how it was in the ’70s-definitely spiritually purpose driven.
Oh yeah, my gold plated BS meter is reading a ROCK SLAM on this one!
My holiday hope is that all clubbed seals will see this post and be able to discern the squirrel tech of the vulture culture!
Hey, to all Indies worldwide; Health, Happiness, Peace@ARC! on this “Christian” holiday;)
By my own experiences around the world…I know for a fact that the reg cycles for the Ideal Org was insane…before a guy from Syndey…who dont have any money for his Bridge, was in the middle of OT VII for years because of not money for Intensives and six months check, not only that he need to pay intensives for repairs the out tech and in top of that hotels and flights, I dont mention his name for respect but I know you know him, plus he was a good FSM for the Corporate Church. But some how the Ideal Org Reges manage to convence him to give the last 40,000 USD from his house to give for Sydney Ideal Org…so the guy not even pay his Bridge for his OT VII…..but now he dont have more money…because they told him he is saving Sydney Ideal Org…and this is just one example….of the crazyness for the Ideal Org Program.
But Christian, since this guy is CLEAR, why can’t he make a rational decision not to give that donation? (LRH says in DMSMH that the Clear makes rational and moral decisions in life) To me, the answer is evident – a Clear is no more rational and is no more free of dramatization necessarily than anyone else who walks around on Earth. THIS is the “elephant in the room” that most folks here will not discuss. The whole basis of Scientology and Dianetic auditing was that there would still be restimulators and insanity in the world, but that the individual, now not having a reactive mind, would no longer be the effect of this insanity, now that he is no longer abberated.
Joe, there is another logical answer. The guy is not Clear. I have seen evidences to the fact that many on the OT level are not really Clear, just wishful thinking by the HGC staff who are driven by stats.
Joe, don’t forget that a Clear (as described by LRH) is only ‘clear’ on the first dynamic. They can still go the effect of pressures and aberrations on the other seven dynamics. If the state of Clear met the expectations you describe, there would have been no need for LRH to develop the upper levels.
Yeah..you are right and also the other two comments…you need remember something and probably Mike knows this…that in Australia we have many OTs that become OT very long ago and basically the AO and FSO dont give a F….about them…many of old OT Vs and old OT VII…I know that because I have to interview them..
“since the guy is clear why can’t he make a rational decision not to make that donation?” (LRH says in DMSMH that the clear makes rational and moral decisions in life.)”
If you were to look at the names of the thousands of people who attested to clear over the years, I bet you’d find that the vast majority made the rational and moral decision and did indeed leave the church when they encountered insanity.
Which makes me think that many of them really were clear. I can personally name many.
Clubbed seals as Mike calls them are not likely clear, but delusional imo.
I hope to be able to visit the Chutzpah Hall of Fame some day and gaze in wonder on DM’s bronze plaque that surely will be front and center with the top of his bouffant precisely 5′ 4″ off the floor. To use that reference to justify his Mini-McDonald’s real estate program takes quite some insane twist of logic. .
Yes indeed Dan, but then you know DM has mastered the subject of Insanity. He has a Doctorate in
the subject. Let’s ask the relevant question about this. Who, yes, WHO could possibly top this guy
in the production of Insanity? By use of 180 degree “reverse Scientology” over a protracted period,
he has no equal.
Quite an accomplishment, huh?
He’s an urban legend!
Good one Mike! I guess what a lot of us non-compliant, C/I, bitter, twisted, defrocked apostates just simply don’t get, is how totally “on source” the Fuhrer really and truly BELIEVES he actually is!
I mean, surely most of us have had enough auditing, increase in IQ, and such to be in a position to REALLY understand what going up “The Bridge” entails? (COB’s interpretation anyway, the ONLY way!)
“SPEED OF DELIVERY = Rocket ride to your upper OT levels, using our very latest technical breakthrough
— Yes, this is THE technological development you have been waiting for, assuring your attainment of
the Stellar heights that LRH had only dreamed of—- But now, thanks to our tireless search to find faster,
(more lucrative!) ways to speed your progress ( to where I REALLY want you, c/suckers! ) ” up” the Bridge, without further ado, (about nothing, at all, actually!) I now wish to make a ground breaking announcement
“Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you …..The FINAL technical Solution, under pilot test for over 32 years and now proven to produce the most cheese,— er pardon me, ha! ha! just a slip of the tongue,! Anyway, to produce the fastest results that could be “squeezed” —No, no, no! I meant, of course, — reg’ed — No, no,
ha! ha! ha! —– This is all just me having fun with you today !–( at YOUR expense, of course, c/suckers! ) So now, to get down to the real focus of today’s monumental announcement::
” ….Now in order to deliver this incredibly effective breakthrough, I have decided to give MY Technology, a new BRANDING, a relevance to what it is, that REALLY matters ( to ME, and especially, only, ME! ) in PLOTTING the way forward , for Mankind! ( my (drool) endless source of slaves, worshippers& LOOT! )
” Today, as we leave our ancestral roots behind, we give thanks to our predecessor — Scientology!
” Please make way ! Make way for THE successor to LRH’s Scientologty –My “humble” gift to mankind: ………………………………………………………………..”.MESTOLOGY! “……………………………………………………………………..
(announced to an earth -shattering, thunderous mix of oinks, grunts and clapping of clubbed seals, and
blitz und krieg! of thunderbolts, cymbols and rah, rah, crash boom, BANG! special sound effects, interspersed with the most incredible Glug, glug, glugging and slurrrrping sounds of Kool-Aid being
drunk, (in every sense of the word!)— that would have had the original creators of this drink, incredulous
with disbelief!
( delivered with the most oh-so-arduously practiced, perfect bow,)
David Mestcavige COB
I think I get your point Mike – that the service fees are supposed to pay for all that, not a separate donation. Though I guess Miscavige could always cite HCO PL Expansion – Theory of Policy, where LRH says you always interpret policy in terms of expansion and then he could claim this whole project is expanding Scientology (even though it’s not of course). Well, that’s one problem with “policy.” There’s so much of it.
“Policy” , application or non-application has nothing to do with what ails the CoS. The problem is that the parishioners cannot recognize differences, similarities and identities. While I’ve gotten lots of case gain from T&P, I no longer think there is any objective evidence (that is, that you can observe) that Scientology “works” on any broad uniform basis. If it did, and all these “OTs” in the CoS were enlightened and aware of being aware, then they wouldn’t be so easily bamboozled, would they? They wouldn’t be so easily susceptible to religious fanatacism and suppressive sharpies stealing their money. Yeah, I would go so far as to say that the Scientology public might be 2% above the norm for intelligence on Earth … maybe.
Blame Miscavige? Most of us have had a comm cycle when we were growing up where our excuse for doing some idiotic thing was to tell our parents ” So and so told me to do it!” and the response we got in my neighborhood was “And, if so and so told you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?” So, you know what? I put very little of the responsibility on Miscavige for what the Scientology sheeple do. Mike, your parents and siblings disconnected with you because THEY did it. If they are the effect of religious insanity, then they should of made the decision not to be (if you believe they know they are thetans who are aware of being aware). Most everyone who has known me from over 40 years in the CoS have disconnected from me after just hearing about a goldenrod issued on me (some I think may have actually read it, but of course, not questioned truth from “command central”). Actually I’m really NOT bitter about it at all. I kind of understand the scene, but certainly you can’t think I have any admiration or respect for those former friends’ case state, a number of them who are OT7 & 8.
So, for the folks who Miscavige is stealing from with his “off policy” schemes and rackets, I no longer have any “sympathy” for at all, just a very workable suggestion, which is “Don’t give him the money if you don’t want to.” Yes, I know the pressurized reg cycles for donos are intense. Really, folks need to work out a shore story on their finances, or just fucking refuse (which I guess you COULD do if the Pro TRs Course really produced uniform products in regards to ability). The people who agree to and carry out the rackets are more responsible than the guy who ORDERS it.
* I don’t know how many folks have actually jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge – (or if you even can anymore) – Only person I know of who did it successfully was Johnny Weismuller in “Tarzan’s New York Adventure” (I think that was the title anyway). He was just wearing his little loincloth. Good he came to NY at the right time of the year.
The same policy you quote, if you look a bit more, tells you that Ideal orgs do NOT work and therefore, as Mike shows, Ideal Orgs are not even close to policy. Policy exists as a clear separate body of work to what DM uses. He uses something else.
“It’s continuous expansion of volume, continuous expansion of organization, continuous expansion of demand. When one lags behind the others you get trouble.”
Ideal Orgs per DM pushed organization above demand. This means there will be trouble. Not only of an obvious financial nature. Simple. Obvious. From out here at least.
I have used this simple clear principle, not enunciated by other authors in this manner, and helped 100’s of individuals in 100’s of businesses.
Those of us who enjoy these principles embodied in some of the policies, and the magnificent gains from using his tech for enhancing ability would beg to differ with what you have laid out in your comments. Of course, this is your absolute right, as is mine for stating the above.
It is possible to use Hubbard’s principles and win and not at all play the CofS game in any way. That they make an unholy mess of it, in no way denigrates the rest IMO.
Cutting and pasting irrelevant quotes is part of this idiot’s operating basis.
ONE way he can get away with it is if people are not trained in that same body of work.
DM makes sure they are not trained, and those who are, leave.
Greenonwhite
“or just fucking refuse (which I guess you COULD do if the Pro TRs Course really produced uniform products in regards to ability). ”
Yes, the TRs DO work.
My favorite handle was once when I just looked at the wannabee gestapo silently, saying nothing even when rhetorical questions were asked, just thoughtfully and comfortably being there saying nothing until they ran out of gas and shut up. Then I said,
“I just have one question…..do I look like I just fell off the turnip truck??”
In the confused pause that followedI asked them if they had read LRH’s policy entitled The Ideal Org. (They had never heard of it.) I suggested that they look it up in the green vols and read it sometime so that they could learn how to build an Ideal Org for real.
Brilliant and correct handling.
“I have just one question…do I look like I just fell off a fuckin’ turnip truck””
Oh I do love this!!!
Apologies! I added the F-word as a modifyer myself in that quote!!
WHAT YOUR FEES BUY?………Oh dear, Mike. You are such a squirrel. Don’t you know that policies written by that LRH guy are “old” and “not to be used”.
I suppose you also think that LRH’s policy entitled, “The Ideal Org” in the data series is also valid policy! You know, the one where he says thing like, “Such an ideal org would be built by taking what one has and step by step building and smoothing; grooving in and handling each of its functions, with each of its divisions doing more and more of its full job better and better.” …Ron doesn’t even mention anything about fancy buildings! And THAT is completely contrary to “Command Intention”!
VALID POLICY AND TECH MUST BE APPROVED BY DAVID MISCAVIGE. Didn’t you know that?
If an LRH issue contradicts DM, it is SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL!
Did you forget that from your years in the SO working with DM?
Here, have a glass of “cool-aid” and you’ll feel “better”. (That means you’ll puke.)