I recently watched the One Ring Circus that was the IAS Event.
Tony Ortega covered it on his blog. If you managed to force yourself to watch it you will have noticed it was a great deal of same old, same old. I think they are even recirculating some of their video elements.
But this was especially true in the section on how the IAS is eradicating/destroying/obliterating/annihilating psychiatry and everything it does and stands for. The Ringmaster repeated over and over again that this is a high priority for the IAS. It isn’t really — if you have ever had CCHR beg you for money didn’t it make you wonder where the IAS money is? It’s a miniscule amount to print some fliers and produce some DVD’s. But every year the One Ring Circus Ringmaster proclaims “thanks to your support of the IAS” the psychs are virtually gone and will be by next year because our new “mailing” is going to totally do them in.
LRH too had a lot to say about how psychiatry was an evil scourge destroying every man, woman and child on this planet. It is certainly true that some psychs opposed Dianetics and that he did expose mind control experiments and PDH’ing way before anyone else caught on. But it became an obsession and convenient “enemy” later. Ultimately some of the least credible things LRH ever wrote were about “psychs” — read the 1982 HCOBs on The Criminal Mind And The Psychs, The Cause Of Crime and Pain and Sex and the confidential despatch only to be read by those in “good enough case shape” that explained that all psychiatrists were whole track SPs who had come from the planet Farsec.
Take a look at the CCHR website and you will see endless examples of the horrors of psychiatry and the evils being perpetrated on man — including a whole section about “Psychs Destroying The Justice System” as they bring their “false labels” into courts around the world to pervert the system by undermining the concept of right and wrong and replacing it with “diagnoses” of people that either excuse their behavior (he is “criminally insane”) or “prove” their guilt (he is a “sociopath”).
Oh, how this is railed against.
Yet, apparently the lofty “religious principles” and “firmly held religious beliefs” that “bind Scientologists to a strict code of behavior” (lying for the greatest good?) are ignored when it comes to legal proceedings. Just look at two recent examples.
1. Laura Dieckman case — the church is insisting that Laura be subjected to a psychiatric examination. Even though they reject ANY diagnosis by ANY psychiatrist of ANYONE. Again, Tony O is on top of this.
2. And then the latest revelation, that the One Ring Master’s personal attorney, Lamont Jefferson submitted to the Court in the Rathbun case.
“So convinced is Marty Rathbun that Mr. Miscavige must be preoccupied by his antics, it is simply unfathomable to him that Mr. Miscavige is in fact engaged in more important activities.”
Errr… Pot. Kettle. Black. It’s Miscavige that set up the 24/7 surveillance and harassment of the Rathbun’s, and created numerous websites and Freedom Mag smears, along with videos).
But this sentence has a footnote dropped from it that reads as follows:
DSM-IV-TR describes “projective identification” defense mechanism as one where the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by falsely attributing to another his or her own unacceptable feelings, impulses, or thoughts.
This is Miscavige actually quoting from DSM IV the “psych bible” that he has derided from stage NUMEROUS times over the last 2 decades.
This WAS written by Miscavige. Lamont Jefferson would never have thought to consult “DSM IV” to make a “legal argument” as he knows better. He is NOT a psychiatrist. This is EXPERT testimony that he attributes to no expert. It is just dropped in his “letter brief” that he filed with the court.
Wonder what the rank and file clubbed seals would think about Dear Leader if they knew he stays up at night reading DSM IV looking for the answers to his problems in life?
PS: This seems to be a general admission that if it is expedient when dealing with “an enemy” then “necessity” trumps “religious belief.” They are not so ready to admit that they use information from priest/penitent folders but it is really no different. It WILL be done if its convenient even if it violates their “religious belief” they just haven’t yet come out and openly admitted it like they have here. The operative word is “yet.”
Ah! I see! So no cite is needed. Sorta like Newton and the law of gravity, or Einstein and Relativity, I guess.
Sort of like that around here. Or Miscavige is a sociopath. Asking for a cite or dox is sort of like asking on a cooking blog for dox to prove that flour is used in making most cakes.
“LRH too had a lot to say about how psychiatry was an evil scourge destroying every man, woman and child on this planet. It is certainly true that some psychs opposed Dianetics and that he did expose mind control experiments and PDH’ing way before anyone else caught on.”
Cite? Or is that just ‘common knowledge’ about LRH? So well established it needs no cite?
Very common knowledge.
Since Captain Miscavige’s attorneys are so interested in others getting psychiatric examinations, why not reverse the flow and request that Cap’n Kim-Miscavige Jong Dave get one himself?
The nature of the insults and abuse perpetrated on Monique Rathbun indicate an individual who has intense hatred and who will break all social boundries to make this known to her and others associated with her. I would say that is an imbalanced person who is also potentially dangerous and in need of a psychiatric exam.
Excellent point on the DSM IV statement written by Miscavige. Attorney’s know they cannot bring forth evidence on their own of anything they are NOT an expert on. My sister does litigation and she has told me this many times, saying that judges will ridicule and laugh attorneys out of court and that attorneys definitely avoid this.
“Cap’n Kim-Miscavige Jong Dave”…… Hilarious! LOL!
Mike, bit of an OT question.
Who do you think, in the SO, is still getting really high pay to offset DM’s pay as COB? Has to be at least a few people or the IRS would have already squashed him.
The IRS isnt paying attention and is no longer interested. Probably Lou. Maybe some people in the IAS. It doesnt really matter to him any longer as he knows its not going to attract the interest of the IRS and frankly, his direct wages even if they are $150,000 per year are not outside what is considered unacceptable by the IRS. The head of National Geographic earns $600,000 plus. The only public he has to worry about are the INTERNAL public. And they arent ever going to find out, and if they did, it would not help that there are half a dozen other people who earn similar amounts when most SO members and staff dont even get $50/week.
Excellent points. Thanks
I well remember the 1995 IAS event in Copenhagen, where Miscavige announced the release of a new IAS campaign that would eradicate psychiatry by the year 2000. What a crock. Now, not only has he pathetically not beaten them, he has even more pathetically joined them. Crim.
Where would you rather spend a year?
1. As a patient in mental institution.
2. As a staff member at the Int Base.
http://www.priveswiss.com/
I don’t even understand the paranoia connected with these people. I applied for a scholarship to a private school when I was 15 and one of the prerequisites was a psychiatric interview.
He put an ink splot on a piece of paper in front of me. “What does this look like?” He asked.
“Ink spilled on paper.” I replied. And I was pretty high at the time.
“No, he says, what does it REALLY look like?”
“It REALLY looks like ink spilled on paper.” I replied.
This repeated itself for about 15 minutes with him putting more papers down with ink spilled on it.
He then blew up and kicked me out of his office.
Whatever it meant, I got accepted into the school. O.K. so he rejected an item that had been given him. I could see he had some problems. But I didn’t feel damaged.
Mike.
Good post. And of course it is hilarious to see the demented one go down into terminal stupidity.
Way to go David! You will be able to partake from psychiatric counseling soon.
As far as where Scientology is heading, is not totally unpredictable, as LRH injected quite a bit of Mythicism, and over the years built a true Religious Belief System, not unlike the major monotheistic cults (Thanks Marty).
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicist.html
Scientology is riddle with all these idiocies of good vs evil, personal and group salvation, future damnation and sci-fi descriptions of Heaven and Hell, etc. And of course, with LRH in the self-appointed role of Avatar and savior of the human race.
Hubbard made a point throughout many of his writings, to get Scientologists into assuming an active role in his vision of a universal epic struggle, no unlike the one described in many of the ancient cult’s religious scriptures. So is it any wonder that things would turn out this way?
http://www.truthbeknown.com/attis.html
So here we are, 60 years after its launch as a “science of the mind, Scientology is reduced to a caricature of an apocalyptic cult and turned into a psychiatric look alike.
It occurs to me that Captain Miscavige is using psychiatry as a weapon. He is subjecting his enemies to psychiatry and thinks himself very clever in doing so.
It isn’t the psychiatric abuses that are making head lines these days. It is the Church of Scientology abuses.
He has a lot of nerve criticizing psychiatric abuses while playing musical chairs, stuffing staff in trash cans, trailers out in the desert with bars on the windows. Imprisoning staff of the Freewinds and having them doped up on drugs thinking they are taking vitamins. Look at Lisa McPhearson. Beating his staff. And he has the nerve to complain about psychiatric abuses? The patients in the mental hospitals are treated better than Sea Org Members!
It’s only fitting that David’s sudden fascination with the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual comes at a time when, in the world at large, skepticism toward this venerable (though protean) document is growing. The latest edition, DSM-5, contains so many changes and departures from the last — Asperger disorder has simply vanished, to cite only one example — that many people feel the editorial board has just jumped the shark.
If Miscavige were sane, this would be a nice moment to mount a serious critique of the psychiatric profession. Though it’s doubtful that any crude salvos from his direction could approach the brilliance and scalpel-sharp delicacy of this wonderful essay, which reviews the DSM as though it were a dystopian novel:
http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/book-of-lamentations/
Damn now I lost my two diagnosis ADHD and Asperger, what to do
That is just like David Miscavige to invalidate the product of his church as “mentally ill” in some regard.
All of the public who hung in there for decades are the “why” for Scientology not expanding. He had to release (like it was his release. Super Power was released by Hubbard. DM took it off the lines) he had “release” (let go of it) Super Power because “all the OT’s are out ethics”.
Now, a guy who spent almost 30 years in the Sea Org, an OT, an auditor who only the top most important celebrities were entrusted with, the most trusted man in the Sea Org for decades, is suddenly “mentally ill” in some regard. Because his wife got fed up with domestic terrorism.
This guy DM is a no responsibility case.
The hypocrisy in this move really surprised me. IMO, this can’t even be understood as a means to “protect” Scientology, since the anti-psychiatry stance is part of the belief system itself. If they begin violating parts of the belief system in order to protect that belief system, eventually there will be nothing left to protect…except perhaps David Miscavige.
Also, since projective identification is a subject I study quite often, IMO it can’t be understood as an apt psychological motivation for Marty in this case, either. That quote from the DSM left something out. After person #1 projects the denied feelings/behaviors onto person #2, person #2 mysteriously begins to act them out. A strange and intriguing process, that. But by those lights, what they would be saying is – Marty denies his obsession with DM, projects his obsessive feelings onto DM, therefore causing DM to obsess about Monique (it *is* her lawsuit, after all) …and all of that halfway across the country! Kind of chuckleworthy, when you think about it.
I do believe projective identification exists BTW – my mother does it to me all the time. If she can’t cope with the realization she’s gained 10 pounds, she suddenly decides it was me who gained 10 pounds – and the next thing I know, I’m feeling 10 pounds heavier. It’s a fascinating thing, the mind…
Some are less fascinating than others ……….IMHO!
My jaw dropped when I saw that on Tony O’s site. SCN lawyer quoting from the DSM? They’ve truly lost the plot.
The fact is that were is not for LRH’s own studies in these areas, we would never have had the early DN and DMSMH works he produced. It is clear that his early research was based on the already existing field of mental health – we all know this, and he acknowledged it. A LOT, of his early followers consisted of doctors, psychologists and other learned men who saw the merit in his work.
But as some point, the A=A computation kicked in and it ALL became bad. Wipe them out no matter what….. I could never buy into this.
I truly believe that one of the reasons it’s become so important to take them all out is because we FAILED in our original mission which was to HELP CLEAN UP the field of mental health. So rather than help (hat) them, let’s destroy them instead. Violation of the “Hat, don’t Hit” PL.
Just nuts.
Brilliant.
Excellent post and comments !!! Lots of fun about a … (I don’t know the word in english) situation.
Regarding psy…,
strangely enough (wink of life!!! I like), my first real “cling” about church occurred when I saw a man working in an institution behaving with so much empathy and true ARC… as the words and behaviors of supposed “best” humans (S.O.) were cold and robotic. It was the first gap.
Of course, one person doesn’t represent a generality… but exemple is set by everybody and is of influence.
I realised then that the “war” Scn/psy was too bluntly exposed (sorry, I can’t express correctly what I mean), and that personal behavior (motivated by this or that, I don’t care) is senior to pretented “good” references. A good intended person will create a good result mostly, as an SP will chose and use and pervert any “label” in human activities… And from that on, I realised that I was badly “indoctrinated” and little by little my way went clearly out of the church.
Have a nice day!!
I know how excellent CCHR work is and has been; how genuine, dedicated and effective the vast majority of its staff and volunteers are, and have been over the years. I have done a lot of good work in the area myself. But I am ashamed and embarrassed by this expedient and unprincipled behaviour. It let’s us down and makes the honest and much-needed work in this area that much harder.
With all respect for the good work done, I suggest that doing it in the framework of a criminal organisation (the so-called “church” of $cientology – google something like: ias 2007 video psychiatry bomb miscavige) is likely to overshadow the good intention and any actual positive result.
(I’m assuming here that we’re talking about work other than the kind carried by OSA volunteer Remy Petit who spied on a psych expert witness, turned state’s evidence and ended up being found dead on the eve of the appeal case hearing…)
Just love how Lamont is calling Marty “who is not a litigant in the case” paranoid. When his co-conspirators, errrr I mean Co-counsel in the next seat admitted to sending the terrorists, errrrrrrr I mean religious zealots, errrrrrrr or was it Squirrel Busters……. Too much lulz. Just let the Co$ lawyers talk……. The more they say, the more they make Mosey’s case.
That is funny!! Great comment anyoldname.
Mike, I’ve posted lots of stuff to test my computer’s ability to post a comment so feel free to delete it all if you’ve gotten any of it, as much of it was different ways of saying the same thing.
Feel free to delete these above 2 as well.
This is a test to see if I can post again.
I believe Miscavige’s lawyer, Lamont Jefferson is familiarizing himself with the Diagnostic and Statistical Manuals of Mental Disorders in anticipation of his ultimate defense. Insanity
Laughter!
When I first joined Scn in 1973 there was someone I was trying to FSM. He wanted to get services and finally did, but one of his hesitations was that he had gotten a lot of benefit from his visits with a psychologist a few years earlier. I knew he wasn’t lying to me, but it was hard to work this into what I was seeing within the organization about how bad psychiatrists and psychologists and all those types supposedly were. Hmmmmm.
Fast forward almost 30 years and the first non-scn person who becomes my very best friend after I escaped confides in me how much a psychologist had helped her get over her years of abuse (heavy discipline from old-school Italian parents) as a child. Hmmmm. With plenty of auditor training behind me now, I couldn’t at all invalidate what she told me. I listened and acknowledged that that was really good. And I meant it.
Although there was a long stretch in time between them, two people dear to me, the only two who I ever knew had anything to do with a psychologist, said they had good benefits. Hmmmm. It wasn’t psychiatrists, but the sentiment is the same in Scn. They are all hated.
Then I started reading “The Sociopath Next Door” written by a Real Live Psychiatrist, and man did that ring true. I didn’t even equate it to DM as much as a local small-time politician who tried to demolish a little non-profit I worked with for a while for personal and political reasons. Truly a pathetic person. (He didn’t win–we did, mostly because of what I already knew about this kind of personality and an attorney who believed me and didn’t give up.) I was stunned as I read this woman’s observations. She nailed it.
Right now I am in the process of comparing what she has written to what LRH has written about SPs. They agree a lot, but so far she is a little bit ahead mainly because she has in her book a section about how to deal with a sociopath and she’s right on the money. I’m not done with this comparison yet.
For now all I can say is I don’t understand why “all” psychiatrists are bad people when it was probably only a few who gave LRH problems or wanted to steal his tech. (If that’s true….not sure.) But I do know that the stuff in that anti-psychiatry museum in Hollywood is way off the mark. Maybe there were some crazies in that field just as in ANY field, but they are not all like that by far.
One more thing–the two psychiatrists who testified on behalf of Jody Arias last year were a couple of those crazies. I was horrified how low they both stooped to make a sociopathic murderer look like a poor little girl who was manipulated by the guy she planned to murder and did murder in cold blood. He was unfortunately stupid about hooking up with her but he was not what they made him out to be.
So all this goes both ways. There is no substitution for one’s actual skill in observation and ability to confront the characteristics of sociopaths or SPs (and get them out of your life) no matter how you find out about them. And our little pal DM is certainly one of them per all the LRH tech AND all the observations made by an actual psychiatrist!
Ron had personal issues with psychiatry and psychology beyond the valid criticism. They were competition. And all competition is mercilously crushed as church doctrine. Also, his psyche record in the navy wasn’t glowing. Could be the revelation of that is a missed withold? Thus the heavy criticism and constant attack.
His overt hatred for these therapies and the people, took on demented proportions in upper level cosmologies. They were fashioned into a Darth Veda: ultimate evil
The effects of that cosmology is continued to be played out. Society at large sees this war as yet another Scientology bonkers thing.
Brian–Interesting–do you have personal knowledge of this? Thank you for this comment!
But I gotta say…no matter what the psychs could come up with, nothing beats an actual erasure of an engram. It trumps them all. I’ve experienced that and seen my own pcs blown away with it. Too bad all this got over shadowed by…all this other stuff! Aaaaagh!
Gato, my comment about Ron’s psyche record is not accurate. Here is a link to actual photo copies of Ron’s records.
http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/
But, there are records of Ron’s first two wives and his girlfriend publicist that considered him paranoid. Also his son Nibs.
These records can be found in Bent Corydon’s book. Bent actually interviews Sara. And the publicist’s interview is on YouTube. The only reason Sara consented to be interviewed by Bent is because Ron had passed by this time. She was terrified by him. Totally terrified.
gato I think that is the challenge: to see what truth is there while at the same time diciphering what is not. It is a daunting challenge because many positive things are mixed with deception: cognitive dissonance
Here is Barbara Kaye’s interview. She was Ron’s girlfriend and publicist.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/barbkaye.htm
Are people still confused by why LRH and his stupid successor are virulent about psychiatry, and psychology? Completion for money for your mind!! That’s all.
Competition I meant!
Decades ago, I did a bit of experimenting with psychedelic drugs. After a bad trip, I was referred to a psychiatrist. (I hadn’t been violent or anything like that; I was merely behaving a bit weirdly.) The psych didn’t question me at all about what was going on with me. He just prescribed a strong psych drug that I was to take every day indefinitely. The drug made me feel really, really good. However, I was totally unable to do anything but lie in bed all day.
Luckily for me, I had a roommate who observed the severe deterioration in my ability to function. She correctly attributed this to the psych drug and persuaded me to stop taking it. Fortunately, I was on this drug for not more than a week.
After I stopped taking it and returned to normal, I realized that I had been ingesting some kind of nerve poison that was very, very bad for me and that nobody should ever be put on anything like that. I couldn’t understand how supposedly well-intentioned people who want to help (psychiatrists) could do this to people.
After I got into Scientology, I sometimes thought that LRH was exaggerating the evils of psychiatry a bit. Then I would remember my experience and think he was probably being pretty accurate.
I also knew someone whose life was destroyed by ECT and psych drugs. He was a very bright, talented young guy. Before falling into psychiatric hands, he was having mental problems, but was probably salvageable, After that, he was never able to hold a job for the rest of his life, lived on welfare and never accomplished much of anything, dying in his forties.
That is not the only psychiatric horror story that I know of.
On the other hand, I have heard of a talk therapist who was able to do some good for a number of people.
I took a psychology course in college. The professor taught that there was no such thing as any kind of soul, there was no such thing as free will, nobody’s IQ could ever be raised, nobody could ever improve their personality or abilities after the age of five, humans were just stimulus-response animals. He also informed us that psychologists were working on techniques to super-control people, like by placing devices in peoples’ brains.
I think there are good people in the psych field who do want to help and who come up with some good ideas. But I also think that there are a lot of psychs who are SP’s and that probably the percentage of SP’s is a lot higher than in the general population.
There was an LRH lecture I heard where Ron was talking about how the overt doth speak loudly in accusation. Then he said, basically, “that should tell you that I was a psychiatrist. That’s right, I was.”
Excellent comment.
Excellent points Gato Rojo. I’ve done many SP locating actions on others, and it can be so interesting and relieving to the person, to locate an sp item, that is theirs and related to their difficulty. I have seen miracles. These terms and items, which should be very personal and private for people, are thrown around and evaluated for, by everyone and their brother at this point. The staff know all each others business, a senior evaluates a junior’s item, scn friends and aquaintenances evaluate each other, as SP/pts and eval items for each other, org maa’s pull in children, to tell them their parents are SP, etc, etc. This private, personal, intimate and very important area to address, on individuals, has become BPI (broad public issue), so it’s not safe to look, find and cognite. Correct items are so valuable and wrong ones are truly horrible. I’d love to see this entire area put back in the private category, “for competent auditors only”. Declaring someone SP as a justice action is completely different or should be. I just wanted to make these points because search and discovery has saved lives including mine. Monitoring and keeping sociopaths out of our lives is very important.
OOOOoooooops I meant to post Wall Street Journal link
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB115628557000642662
More on the anti-psych stuff…
It was David Miscavige that greatly influenced Tom Cruise RANT on psychiatry making himself look like a fool attacking Brooke Shields for postpartum medication. The Cruise went into the total Miscagive valence as he arm wrestled with Matt Laurer “You’re glib, I know the history of psychiatry, you don’t”
it wasn’t THAT long after Sumner Redstone head of VIACOM who owns Paramount Studios threw Tom Cruise off the Paramount Lot where Cruise had an office.
Redstone said Cruise cost the studio $100 million and that Cruise was career suicide…
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/22/news/newsmakers/cruise_paramount/index.htm?cnn=yes
A producer that shall remain un-named said,”one of Tom’s people( he thought it was Scientologist) came into my office on a movie shoot and said to me, “Mr Cruise will be coming into your office to talk and I think you should clean up a bit in the office.”
Well that did not go over to good. He basically told him to take a hike.
Other than Tom Cruise makin an ass of himself by criticizing Brooke Shields at a vulnerable time in her life, I had no idea the Co$ stance on mental health until I started reading up on the subject a few months ago. If there is anyone reading who is an IAS or CCHR member/donor, please note that your money is doing nothing to educate anyone or to fight any alleged atrocities. Captain Fuckhead is just perpetuating a perceived enemy to drive money into his offshore accounts.
I thought he was Captain Dickbreath ….. change duly noted!
It must suck to be Him.
Captain blackheart
Lack of rationality in an opponent is very beneficial to winning. Inflated self worth and image creates unreal strategies based on that deluded sense.
Hitler decided to win the war on two fronts: by by Hitler.
Tyrants are always irrational just at the right time for self destruction. Count on it.
Unfortunately, once they finally get the message that the end of their tyranny is nigh these ogres have a history of trying to bring down with them as many others as they are able. I can only hope that the “collateral” damage to others is not too great.
That’s true. It is documented that Hitler planned on a ‘scorched earth’ policy for Germany as the Russians advanced on Berlin. He was only stopped firstly by the disloyalty of Speer (who changed Hitler’s orders) and finally by persuasion.
I am starting to think that Miscavige’s own attorney might be getting sick of him. Insted of using logic and a real legal argument he is doing what the midget demands and collects his check. I can see the lawyer snickering as DM looses this case and tell himself that his client pulled it in but at least he got paid.
They probably laugh and laugh about him when they are together.
Then they laugh and laugh about their enormous paychecks.
Keep calm and keep paying, Still-Ins!
“I am starting t think that Miscavige’s own attorney might be getting sick of him.”
Not a chance. Cedillo is CSI’s attorney. CSI is getting thrown under the bus by RTC. Cedillo can trash Miscavige all he wants to prove that RTC and CSI are distinct, separate entities. Those “black heart” remarks were pure legal theatre. They are all on the same team and the have their only possible workable game play all worked out. Their quarterback has to be protected at all costs, and CSI will take the hit for the team.
Based on Marty’s writings in “Memoirs” there are probabably several people who’s full time task is to communicate with the lawyers while in court. That could get old real fast.
While CSI is the designated bad guy, to general newsreaders outside the church it looks even worse. Nobody resonates with RTC, but Church of Scientology International sounds like something religious that ought to behave better.
The “HOLE” gets bigger with more top execs as psychs increase in numbers.
Whats up with that.???
How many pages and whats deleted from David Miscaviges DSM ?????
Let see the financial records of the IAS, where does the money really go.
There’s also the huge pay off DM accepted from Eli Lilly in in the mid 90s, agreeing to cease all church/CCHR campaigns against the drug giant (which were hurting sales of Prozac at the time).
Love to hear more about this Eli Lilly business. Marty hinted at something of the nature recently.
In 1991, the CoS ran, for 12 weeks, full double-page ads in the center spread of the USA Today newspaper, attacking Time Magazine, Eli Lilly, and some related subjects.
Subsequently, Miscavige bragged at an Event, possibly a Maiden Voyage Event, of which I had the DVD, about the settlement CoS got from Eli Lilly as a result of having driven Lilly stock down. I recall Miscavige saying “we were well pleased” by the amount of the settlement, and some talk about the good uses it would be put to.
I was shocked by this, and recall thinking “He took money???”
This was maybe 1994?
Valkov, if you or anyone else can find that recording and upload it, that would be much appreciated!
mwstern,
if you could dig up some specifics on the settlement of that court case that would be great!
Greta
“… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them.”
“We’re playing for blood, the stake is EARTH.”
Good point, Brian.
Why does it always have to be “We’re playing for blood!” Why so serious? Why is the “stake” Earth? How is it going to be better after winning it by playing for blood?
The imagery is always so violent in this type of rhetoric. Were these type of statements ill considered or well considered on LRH’s part? It’s also particularly maddening when compared to other things he wrote, essentially telling us that (paraphrase) “No child was ever spoiled by too much love.”
We do know one thing though. We know which type of LRH statements Miscavige bases his actions on.
Hi Scot,
Do you remember where you got that quote from?
Paraphrased or not I have never heard of Hubbard saying it or anything similar and am curious when he did.
The quote is that you could no more spoil a child with love than you could put out the sun with a bucket of gasoline. Maybe not the exact words. It might be in the Child Dianetics book.
Thanks Sophia… So not a part of his legacy so much as a passing comment.
To this day I’m amazed at Hubbard’s ability to “doublethink”.
Extraordinary.
” It is not possible to “spoil” a child with love”
Dianetics, book 2 page 105
I got it out the 2nd dynamic book, page 204.
Glad I never gave my “old ” books away.
“… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February 1966, “Project Psychiatry”
“We’re playing for blood, the stake is EARTH.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 7 November 1962
“Affection could no more spoil a child than the sun could be put out by a
bucket of gasoline.” – Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health
Growing up in the cadet org, I certainly was not spoiled by too much love.
I would assume the words were well considered on both cases and designed to make you do or think something or stop doing or thinking something. You can point to the “love children” reference and say “see, he meant well!”, and you can get all riled up against psychiatrists with the blood reference and choose them as a target instead of thinking about inconsistencies and lack of results. Look outwards instead of inwards and upwards to the top of the hierarchy.
Of course there are people who will cherry pick the “nice things” he said and take them at face value.
I just cannot get over how this bully has cojones soooooo small that he needs to send 15 attorneys to confront a young lady who is offended because he had these tools send dildos to her place of work. Where in the world would that be considered masculine or manly; maybe he like Hubbard needs testosterone shots.
Maybe David Miscavige has “DSM IV” in a desk draw to wordclear, Anti Social Personality Disorder and
Narcissistic personality disorder because everybody is calling him names these days.
Poor Davey boy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Mike:
DSM stands for: Diagnostics and Statitical Manual of Mental Disorders
David Slappy Miscavige
Doing Something Murderous
During Scientologists Meetings!
Miscavige is mad. And really really dumb.
Interfering in legal strategy when you’re thick as pigshit is a bold move. A mindblowingly stupid move but bold.
And he can’t help himself, as for the last 20+ years no-one has dared contradict him, so he probably thinks that he is always right.
The poor sap. The legal system will bite him hard.
I think that’s about right. The legal situation is getting worse by the day for Dave. It seems the more he interferes the worse it gets. And while we look on incredulously at His Holiness using psych tech to try and bolster his position, underneath it is a level of hypocrisy and delusion that is quite scary. With DM it seems there is no end to the psychosis.
” It seems the more he interferes the worse it gets.”
Seems kinda strange doesn’t it?
This one ring circus (good one!) keeps going because the true believers won’t examine anything. C’mon guys, wake up! Read a news report. The fun is out here!
We in RTC wish to make it clear that COB reads DSM IV well into the night in order to “get into the enemy’s mind.”
Whereupon, COB had the bright idea to DA Marty by having his wog attorney Lamont “ding” Marty with a Psych diagnosis.
COB told us in the RTC staff meeting that “dinging tech” would really impinge and cave in Marty and cause him to sue for peace. Moreover, COB announced that he will be bringing back the Founder’s old “dinging tech” next year in an exciting new “Ding Tech II” launch that includes the DSM IV as one of the required books.
In happier news, COB has isolated the exact cause of the dwindling spiral in which the Church of Scientology in engulfed.
What COB found is that parishioners are not going all in. For this reason, the Finance Police II are fanning out to ransack the homes and business of Scientology parishioners. The Finance Police II will locate and shatter your suppressive reasonable and confiscate all of your remaining assets in the name of the IAS and Planetary Clearing.
Parishioners resisting the Finance Police II will be beaten and declared and then re-beaten and re-declared.
Laughter!
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the CO$ start forcing the staff to submit Financial Knowledge Reports (FKRs) on parishioners they think are holding out on them. People who show up on the aforementioned document will be called in for a Financial Security Check (F-Sec-Check). Also, I wonder if it’s possible for a SO member to buy their way out of the RPF with a fat check from mom and dad???
I was wondering if that was why Beck has been renting a place (which the landlord says he trashed) – to avoid the public record of buying a house, which the CO$ would be able see.
” Have you ever failed to ask your parents for their last dime to help you achieve your eternity?”
—-Handle each read to F/N. Send KRs to MAA for handling.——-
Gotta love that ding tech.. Sue for peace…Lol.
Can you ask the cob about him stopping the ding tech with the crushing of de-dinging awhile back? Is this some form of restoration of lost tech??
Oh this is awesome! Just think of all the re-re-releases that can happen as we discover hidden tech in DSM 3. And that was probably written by people with MU’s on DSM 2!
Oh this is priceless,
De Dinging was to get rid of “Bad” public on lines in order to Clear the Planet.
What determined Good public from bad public was how much money they shoveled into church coffers.
Financial Police , what can I say . They rode in stretch limo’s to Orgs to Beat up staff for supposed hidden bank accounts.
hoist with your own petard also hoist on your own petard
to be harmed by something that was intended by you to harm someone else The most enjoyable moment in any action film occurs when the villain is hoist with his own petard.
Etymology: based on the literal meaning of hoist by your own petard (blown into the air by your own explosive device), an expression made popular in Shakespeare’s play, “Hamletâ€
More excellent observations Mike. Thank you.
Yes, this is a very good post Mike Rinder. I could not agree more !
It may not be a bad idea for Monique to request a full blown psychiatric exam of ole Davey boy to be sure he is fit to be deposed. Surly don’t want any of those psychotic breaks occurring such as what Tom Cruise was able to stir up in the movie ‘A Few Good Men’.
Yo Dave,
What do you find under the subject of ‘Anger Management’ in your DSM IV ? Can you handle the truth Dave?
I think that for each stupid request from DM, Monique should request more and more intrusive things from the anals of the church.
…annals…though your ‘slip’ is a good one!
Aurora – I think Corvus may indeed have meant “anals” – ha ha ha
😉
I thought about “A Few Good Men” too. Wouldn’t it be a fantastic 360 if Mr. Jeffries pulled that same Code Red questioning on DM and got the same result? (Cruise was “inspired” by DM regarding his acting in that scene where he got the big confession.)
Miscavige is so messed up, running on his charming and benevolent mocked-up social circuitry, and high on expensive booze that it won’t take much to make him fall.
Yes! I think it would bed AMAZING for DM to have to have a psychiatric evaluation. He brought it up! :-)))))
They would have to issue a new set of basics in DSM V to cover all that ails Him!
David (the Saviour) Miscaviage the fifth (and hopefully last) in a long line of failed wannabes.
Mike, its also irrelevant. Mosey is suing Davey, not Marty. Obviously, there is bad blood between Marty and Davey, as you probably know.
Mosey has independent reasons to argue and assert that Davey is behind it: her husband didn’t attack McShane or Lesevre in his blog, he attacked Davey (ad Nauseum); Davey micromanages Co$, as your emails show. They have not named anyone else.
Spot-on, Mike! Invoking the “greatest good for the greatest dynamics”, Miscavige always reduces things to solipsism, even if it means betraying LRH and the Scriptures.
Oh, yeah:
“DSM-IV-TR describes “projective identification” defense mechanism as one where the individual deals with emotional conflict or internalDSM-IV-TR describes “projective identification” defense mechanism as one where the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by falsely attributing to another his or her own unacceptable feelings, impulses, or thoughts.”
But! Hey, Dave, have you forgotten one of your favorite lines?
THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF IS DOING.
— HCOB 15 September 1981 THE CRIMINAL MIND
Or, to put it in colloquial form:
“Hello, Kettle, I’m Pot. You’re black.”
And don’t forget that about two years ago, the church made about $2 million by selling videos designed to “dead-agent” the DSM itself. One of Miscavige’s hands doesn’t know what the other is doing.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scientologybeliefs/2011/11/diagnostic-statistical-manual-psychiatrys-deadliest-scam/
Right! And in this DVD of CCHR they proudly announced that in court the DSM cannot be used according the DSM itself……..
In the Netherlands the owner of the startpage “anti-psychiatry” has removed CCHR of that page when she/ he heard that the CoS is using the DSM in court!
Spread the Gospel
POT,
I love your posts. Right to the crux of the mater.
Very Well Done
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