Here is the pitch being presented to the local residents about the planned new AOSHANZO and CLO ANZO building.
And it is clear now that they plan to move the CLO Offices here from the Dundas white elephant.
But if that is true, they are being very dishonest about the hours they will be keeping — everyone will vacate the premises by 10 each night? Not likely. I have never seen a “management” organization that did not work until midnight as their published schedule, all night on Thursday night, and routinely until 1 or 2 in the morning.
It is also remarkable that they are publicly stating that no more than 190 “parishioners” will be at the facility. This is the St Hill and AO for all of Australia and New Zealand AND ALL OF ASIA!
Mind you, that is probably 1o times the average number of public they have at AOSHANZO at any given time currently — but still, this is setting your sights pretty low. A St Hill Sized org is supposed to have 200 students in the Academy. ASHO used to have 200 people JUST on the briefing course.
If they ONLY had 25 people on Eligibility and each OT level 1-5 that is 150 people. Not counting Academy training, BC and Class VIII. Let alone the Purif, Student Hat, Objectives and Life Improvement courses they deliver.
The public statements made by the church (see yesterday’s story on Plymouth) are at complete odds with the hype spewed forth at the Miscavige Circus events.
Inside the bubble, scientology is a rampaging bull elephant stampeding towards planetary clearing and flattening all obstacles in its path — to the outside world, they are timid field mice (squirrels?), quietly going about their peaceful work of collecting nuts and seeds….
And somehow they don’t ever seem to be called on the contradictions.
Do you think the locals would be interested to hear about how they plan on “flooding public up the Bridge” and “straight up and vertical expansion” and “floods pouring onto their OT levels”?
At the least, they would know this is an organization based on delusion.
Meja Deja says
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/scientologists-eyeing-35m-lab/story-fnko7zi0-1226983433874?nk=8fabee53297138fb4eb15768a7ee19ea
hgc10 says
“Continuing local resident access to the site’s grounds…”
Uh, no. Don’t believe it. Get it in writing. Then don’t believe it still.
Aquamarine says
Their “wide variety of social betterment and charitable community activities”. Never before have I gotten the urge to laugh and barf at the same time.
MJ says
Greetings from Eliza Doolittle:
Don’t talk of things that don’t relate
If you’re that great, show me!
Tell me no plans, so uninspired
If you’re on fire, show me!
Here you are forever in the middle of a fight
Full of cliches, make it go right
Anyone who’s ever been expanding and all that
Won’t waste my time with false stats
Where are the smiles, the fabulous wins?
Don’t point out sins, show me, show me
Don’t talk of GAT and auditor crimes
Let me see Dave’s final bow
Show me now!
No more events, gowns and black ties
Don’t waste my time, show me!
Don’t talk of cob, saving us all
Don’t talk at all!
Show me!
Never do I ever want to hear your empty words
There isn’t one, I haven’t heard
Here you are perverting what was once a wondrous dream
Say one more word and I’ll scream
Haven’t you once wanted real gains?
Please don’t explain, show me, show me!
Don’t wait until all are off lines
You’ve got amends boy and how! Show me now!
Aquamarine says
MJ, please, I can’t stand it, I can’t 🙂 🙂 You’re killing me here…Allright, now, its all YOUR fault that I’ve got lyrics running thru my head of Eliza singing, “Just you WITE, Dive Miscavige, just you WITE! You’ll be soddy but yer tares’ll be too LITE” 🙂
MJ says
I think you’ve got it!
Battlefield Teegeeack says
Looks like a nice building for a “hole” down-under. They can sleep under the desks and shower in trash cans with freezing water.
Tom says
No residential accommodations on site…
From where will they bus in the staff?
And how can they possibly do a “Grand Opening” if only 460 people are allowed on site?
Miss Pert says
I assume the staff will still be berthed bused in from Dundas, as they are now. It will actually be more convenient for the cult as this place is closer to Dundas than Glebe.
Mike Laws says
Mike,
Your brother worked me over for the Melbourne ideal org while I was over there with my sister taking care of my fathers estate. He wanted us to give him Dads house (because Dad was “such an important part of Melbourne Scientology history”). I will never forget his comment when I asked why we should do this when the Org all but abandoned him when he became old, sick, and unable to donate, he said that I couldn’t hold past actions of the org against the need to donate for the future.
Another point of interest he told me was that there were tight zoning regulations regarding parking … a real problem in Australian metropolitan areas. He said confidentially that they were lying to the zoning committee to make sure this was not going to be a problem.
Might be another “acceptable truth”.
Yeah, there is no management organization in the Scientology world that is out by 10PM daily. 8:30 am till 9:40 PM, they be smoking crack.
Bystander says
Mike, as you noted, there used to be 200 people just in the briefing course alone. I see lots of comments about the good old days when things were ‘booming’.
It raises the question, where are all those people now? My bet is that they are not at the top of the bridge to total freedom and they’re not all dead.
They quit.
Why did they quit?
Jose Chung says
I thought that this was some kind of research facility.
First consideration is the utilities bill each month is going to be astronomical.
The staff are burdened to pay that ? and there are no Auditors or delivery of training
in services or much of.
It’s a Huge WHALE HUNT to keep the lights on in the most hostile
PR atmosphere on Earth.
Why not relocate to MARS ? the PR would give Scientology a shot in the arm
you would get lots of volunteers to go for a 6 month rocket ride.Everyone would become famous instead of reviled beyond belief.
A billion year contract would be a piece of cake, I mean your on MARS !!!
Nobody would replace you on a whim !, no RPF ! Your on MARS for Christ sakes!
No beans and rice, everything is protein bars and melted ice from polar ice caps.
No psychs to beat the drums about !
Read the Basics cover to cover for life,
The OT 8 meter won’t work on MARS so the COB won’t see your meter reads
or Rock Slams.
Food for thought before the big push to move in or ribbon cutting.
MJ says
I have often walked by this org before
But I never thought it’d ever be a morgue before
All at once am I feeling less than high
Knowing I’m on the street where they fib
Are there PR flaps in the heart of town?Â
Can you hear folks bark in any other part of town?Â
Does suppression pour out of ev’ry door?Â
No, it’s just on the street where they fib
And oh! the cowering feelingÂ
Just to know somehow Dave is near
The unmistakable feelingÂ
That any second you may somehow be declared!Â
People stop and stare, they all bother me
For there’s somewhere else on earth that I would rather be
No more f***ing lies, I won’t care if IÂ won’t be here on the street where they fib
Aquamarine says
MJ, this is it. IT. This is THE ONE.
MJ says
Thanks Aquamarine – appreciated.
hgc10 says
“The will be an approximate ratio of 1 parishioner to every 2 staff at any one time on site.”
What kind of business model is that? Even at slave wages, that doesn’t sound like a winning formula, economically. What on earth are these people busy doing anyway? Why are they working so feverishly, year after year of weekly deadlines, with nothing of value to show for it?
Swampland4Sale says
hgc10, it is, “decade after decade, with nothing of value to show for it.” It’s a money making scam for whomever happens to be running the joint. It has ALWAYS been thus. So, the “value” is the amount of $ squirreled away by the Boss. It is a business model for one person to become rich.
Chuck Beatty says
The staff to parishioner ratio implies the CLO (and RPF) staff are gonna be working and housed there. It looks huge from the air on Google Maps satellite view.
It looks fensible, gateable, staff confineable and nicely isolated and cult defensible suitable.
Protesting that small entry road off the main road looks profitable: “Scientology UFO Exorcism Theology Studies Headquarters for ANZO and Asia” just down this lane. Scientology in house prison thought reform team housing included!
GTBO says
Oops, footbullet Saturday.
The lies will be exposed. They won’t get that many public or staff except in their dreams.
As for the hours? Anyone whi has experience of even remotely connected to RCo$ Knows that’s pure bs
Potpie says
The real reason the numbers of students/public
at one time is so low, is because training is so
1970’s. This is the 21st century Scientology.
Much improved, more stream lined, mean and
lean, cut to the chase real estate religion.
The hours stated indicate how concerned they
are for the welfare of the staff and to show there
is no hint of over worked, unhealthy, slaves plying
their labor under threats and physical harm.
We at CSA want everyone to know how concerned we
are about the preservation of the building, any and all
environmental issues, public transportation and that we
are doing this for the public at large. Our building is
your building and we love you. But don’t you dare
come at us with questions that might expose our
real intent.
unclepepin says
‘The ecclesiastical management liaison headquarters is responsible for coordinating Scientology’s religious services as well as the wide range of social betterment and charitable community activities.’
Still trying to find out what ecclesiastical management may cover, when it comes to CoS.
They have a site with specifics on the proposal, here:
http://www.grevillestreetdevelopment.com.au/project-proposal/
John P. Capitalist says
I looked at the location by Google Earth and it looks like this building has been deserted for quite a while, perhaps a decade or so. I’d guess that the building hasn’t been maintained all that well inside, and it could easily be a teardown. The other proposals to reuse the land all involved tearing the building down and building housing on the site, since it’s in a residential neighborhood, but all were rejected by locals as being too dense… Wonder what happens when what appears to be a fairly conservative town planning council confronts the Scientologists. Perhaps someone in Oz should send them the Brian Seymour documentary on the RPF operation run in the Sydney suburb of Dundas…
Bystander says
Looks like everybody will just be designated either ‘maintenance’ or ‘security’ and they don’t need accommodations if there is a handy desk to curl up under.
If I were the municipality, I would be more concerned about the shady outfit’s ability to pay the upkeep, taxes, etc and not have it turn into a crack house like a lot of their other properties.
How can these people maintain this frenetic sense of urgency when no one ever walks in the door?
McCarran says
Looks like the c of s has slipped from being treasonous to its staff and parishioners to being confused.
SILVIA says
Aha, at the very end of the promo it is written: “the ecclesiastical management liaison headquarters is responsible….for religious services” – I have never seen it like this before, it was simply CLO (Cont. Liaison Office). I wonder if all this religious wording is just an attempt to protect their mad leader and cover his a&& (which should be spanked anyway).
The legal ‘awakening’ all over the world is causing nightmares to the inside criminals, too bad.
Chuck Beatty says
The in house Hubbard originated organization jargon prevents simple understanding of Scientology.
Scientology’s secrecy is due to Hubbard’s lack of communication with critics and Hubbard’s personal problems.
LRH weighted things towards the bureaucratic, choosing organization solutions in the face of the criticism against his ideas.
Hubbard left the members with levels of denial about what they are. Members are left with layers of defensive secracy, they can’t even relate to the world what they are, since Hubbard himself couldn’t personally debate in detail his own subject to anyone.
They are a pseudo-science past lives therapy and high volume exorcism practice (OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 deal with body thetan exorcism, and the Xenu engram is the 4th dynamic engram that the Sea Org orgs were initially set up to deliver the OT levels and OT 3 at). The Wall of Fire is just the volcano explosion terrible winds of fire that swept earth in the immediate aftermath of the hydrogen bomb explosions as LRH details in the Class 8 lecture).
Scientology’s an engram trauma relieving new religion, and the exorcism of today’s OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 which deal with the body thetan fallout of the Xenu 4th dyanmic engram!
They can’t even say openly what they are and what they do, Hubbard’s other rules so limit their ability to even understand what they are.
It’s a huge waste of a person’s life, huge waste of money, and Scientology is an acquired fiction story “new religion”, a massive play on words, right up L. Ron Hubbard’s prolific pulp adventure, western, sci-fi story telling writer alley!
Miscavige plays the sociopathic bad guy bureaucratic boss of this official Scientology mess that Hubbard left the members stuck within.
L. Ron Hubbard’s personal inadequacies are written into the rules and organizations underneath the outward current delusional promotion and the blatant money gathering strategies of current Scientology boss David Miscavige,.
Brian says
Well said Chuck.
Brian says
Being 32 years out, I have looked also, at the positive side to having a madman as a guru.
1) he taught us to look within ourselves to find the source of suffering. (even though some of it was his own unconscious delusions.)
2) he taught us to see the beauty and power of words
3) he convertered many many people to see themselves as a soul and not a body.
4) he trained our minds to be use to the concept of being alive forever.
5) he taught us that listening is sacred.
6) he kept the flame of truth seekers seeking
I know the dark side of LRH. Some people hate me for revealing my feelings about his immorality.
But I cannot deny what was the truth. That is the challenge for X-Hubbard devotees.
That is the challenge of having a madman as a guru.
CobGatYour$$ says
Yes, and what are “theology studies?”
Chuck Beatty says
I guess “…theology studies…” means labeling defining explanation debate arguing over theoretical points of a religion or religion in general, whatever part one wants to take up. As a flawed ignorant ex Scientologist, not a Christian, the regular Wikipedia definition is off kilter to me (out of my own ignorance), theology kind of means arguing and the debate between priest class people, to me. :
“Theology might be undertaken to help the theologian:
“understand more truly their own religious tradition,[5]
“understand more truly another religious tradition,[6]
“make comparisons among religious traditions,[7]
“defend or justify a religious tradition,
“facilitate reform of a particular tradition,[8]
“assist in the propagation of a religious tradition,[9] or
“draw on the resources of a tradition to address some present situation or need,[10]
“draw on the resources of a tradition to explore possible ways of interpreting the world,[11] or
“explore the nature of divinity without reference to any specific tradition.
“challenge (ex. biblical criticism) or oppose (ex. irreligion) a religious tradition or the religious world-view.” – Wikipedia article on “theology”
That’s way too serious and I’ll admit ignorant pretense. I was just an admin guy Scientologist who happened to be in admin training staff for half a dozen years, then compiler of routing forms of Scientology staff admin rules, and later I read a bunch of Hubbard’s fiction and ASI writings.
Scientology Hubbard doesn’t want an internal field of theologians to develop, that’s an observation other smart critics of Scientology have commented years ago already. The result is no pro level theologians in the movement, and no outside university level people wish to devote the time to read all of the Hubbard Scientology relevant writings which are even available, the OEC/Management green volumes for instance.
Scientology’s not important enough for people to become outside substitute theologians of it.
The best that could be done, has been done, which was the paid treatises which Scientology (OSA Jacqueline Kevanar’s mission) bought religious treatises out of various new religion and religion academics.
thegman77 says
Chuck: There was no place to reply to your post. Simply put, “Spot On”. My world was positively changed forever with some of the things I learned about myself way back prior to the early 80s. I wouldn’t trade any of it for anything I can think of. Yes, he was nuts, but he managed to scratch together some powerful concepts. I really no longer care if they were his or someone from whom he stole them. For me, they worked. When the madness began, I simply walked.