To continue to document the dwindling spiral, I will keep publishing the threatening and quite insane emails that demonstrate the insanity within the bubble.
Here is the newest one.
These people truly are insane: all beings will be blind and in pain forever, soon.
This is apocalyptic cult talk without doubt.
From: Your Enemy
Here’s the entire issue boiled down to its basic. If LRH were here, what would he think of you? Of COB? Who would he side with? You think he would side with you. The person who ran away and went to the SP press, who’s dragging Scn through the mud daily. The person who’s helping the public to have a negative view on the current Church, which, in their minds, = the Church in general = Scientology in general = LRH. Or would he side with COB, who won the IRS war, won Portland and formed the IAS as a result which now safeguards Scientology, who found thousands of alterations in basic books, restored and released over a 1000 lectures, restored the Grades tech, released Super Power, built the new Cathedral, released the most amazing e-meter in history, and is about to release OT 9 – 15, and more.
Whatever you think you’re doing, the choice LRH would make is crystal clear. Its one of those “you gotta be kidding me” kind of choices. What you’re doing is unbelievably suppressive. You will never go up the Bridge Rinder. Never. Not in any lifetime. And you know this. You hope it isn’t true, you hope, secretly, that next lifetime no one will know who you are. But it will come out. With today’s tech and materials, we will find you. You’re banned forever, Rinder. Forever. And what you have waiting for you as a result is beyond almost anyone’s reality. Its a kind of hell that one wishes only on his worst enemy. And you have selected yourself as that enemy. Once you get there, Mike, there’s no turning back. That’s WHY Scientology pushes so hard, that’s what the big emergency is about. Its not to clear the planet before it blows up, although that’s another reason. Its just not the primary reason. The primary reason is all beings will be blind and in pain forever, soon. In that c ondition, they’re beyond help, totally. And there they will be, worsening, through the millennia. Its truly a forever proposition. And you have cast yourself to this fate. There is no helping you. None.
I don’t care what you do. I really don’t. I’m not one of those Scientologists who wants everyone to get into Scientology. There are some people who are simply not invited and others who don’t deserve the privilege, for it is a privilege to sit on course and listen to LRH, or to hold the cans. You and Cook and Ortega and Rathburn and the others can drive off a cliff together and I’d be thrilled with the news. What you guys are doing will not stop our mission. It just won’t, I’m merely stating a fact. Billions of psych dollars didn’t, but you think you can?
What you should do – and believe me I’m not trying to convince you because I know you won’t – is knock off this bullshit. Go public with your decision to go back, and get busy with that multi-lifetime amends project. You probably won’t get accepted. But at least you can clean up some of the mess you’ve made in the public mind, you will have that for yourself anyway. This isn’t about COB. This is about LRH.
You know this is true. Yes you do.
And on the brighter side of life — here is a story of someone with integrity. A recent GAT II trainee, he compares the actions of the church with the former apartheid government of S. Africa and segregation.
Wow! What ever happened to think for yourself? What a rude awakening it will be for him when he finds out the truth.
Captain COB? Is that youuuuuuu????? The [email protected] gave it away. Try better next time.
The IP address 76.174.10.27 belongs to a residence in or near Orange County, CA.
Dear Mike,
You and Marty and Tony are my heroes. If you all go to hell, I want to go there, too. We can have a lot of fun. The guy who wrote this letter is a sad, sick puppy. HIs whole world is crumbling and he doesn’t know which way to turn. His heart is filled with hate and anger. He has no idea that God is Love. I hope he can come into the light.
I just wonder how far you will go Mike. You are reminding me of this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ubag7dtn4 The guy in the red is one of them true believers.
I was a long time scientologist and now I’m an even longer time ex-scientologist who has only now learned to use a computer for commenting. Thanks Mike for this blog which I’ve read since it began. It has been a big help in the ongoing shedding of the cult’s subtle effects on my thinking and reasoning. All the best to you and your commenters.
Well done, worsel5. All the best to you, too.
Audacity is the word that keeps coming to mind. This person thinks they can cancel Mike’s participation in scn. forever? Wow…..such delusional hubris and self importance. The purpose of the SO is to “get ethics in”, seems Mike is still on post, because the org environments are so enturbulated with inval, eval and squirreling that no case gain can occur. OT’s try to keep cognitions occurring on all the dynamics, that’s what the indies represent. Mike’s blog = transparency, producing truth, and as-isness on a gradient scale, on lots of dynamics…….sounds like Scn. to me.
Very nice commendation Mike. Keep it up 🙂
When I decided to leave the C of S, I was threatened verbally with that I would “suffer depression”
and
that I would “lose ALL my gains.”
This is simply not true.
Never lost ANY of my gains and am MUCH, MUCH happier!
Some of my best decisions in life were to involve myself in “Scientology” and
after 20 years in the “Church,” the other best decision was to leave the “Church.”
Thank goodness, we are not wearing this person’s “shoes of resentment.”
Much Love to All!
“Billions of psych dollars” didn’t stop their mission??
Huh? The psyches are so far out ahead and pull out further each day. The “church’s” so called mission is invisable. The only hope is through independence.
Too delusional and too sad.
“our mission” is the enslavement of the human race to CoB’s vision: bait and switch enturbulation. The CoS embodies violation of each point in KSW, and the inherent honesty of the writer of this email knows it, and is justifying his overts of complicity. Good luck to those still in: you’re risking your life and sanity with Miscavige’s squirrel tech.
Send not for whom the bell tolls, Mr Enemy.
It is a shame the still ins treat miscabage as a god, because he could not care less for them. Hope this is traced back to the degenerate that wrote it and I hope he/she/it knows we are watching.
Jeez–this guy is from Crazytown. His eyes must be buldging out of his head and he’s frothing at the mouth. Somebody get him some Cal-Mag…..
“Though if you go back to the fundamentals of Scientology, and I mean WAY back, it postulates that each of us holds the answers ourselves.”
I don’t think you even have to go that far back, Mike. This idea is built into the dna and the modus operandi of all of the actual tech itself. The Tech is all about releasing the goodness and abilities which we each already have within us naturally. Obviously, the writer of this evil drivel has no training in and/or no understanding or a hatred of auditing Tech. Deny some one their eternity? Ha! You can’t even give someone their eternity because it is an inalienable (integral) part of their very nature. Good try though, con man.
I can’t imagine anything like this email going out without Mi$cavige’s (at least tacit) agreement. This is the second one. And it opens a window into DM’s violent, hateful, depraved mind for all to see. It must be hell to live in the personal universe he has created for himself.
And now, thanks to communications like this, the emperor has no clothes.
Unfortunately he feels a need to expose himself in public on a via.
Is that all you got, Davey? Pathetic.
Now I am going to stop paying attention to DM and study some Scientology with the purpose of applying it to the benefit of myself and others.
This is Scientology Fundamentalism to the Max:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QSfp_DyL_E
Any Scientologist worth his salt has long since left the Church. The rest remaining in the Church are all in Treason to the subject and its goals. They all know something is very, very wrong but dare not say anything for varying personal reasons. Actually this dude is probably just dramatizing the “severe reality adjustments” he has had perpetrated on himself by MAAs or EOs along the way. He is behaving like this (assertive, angry etc). to try and convince someone like an MAA or an Exec that he is “on board with the program” but in reality is probably sitting there with loads of MWHs that these very same people have missed on him. Whether his withholds are “valid” is another matter inside a suppressive regime but he thinks they are. He should come clean and do his Treason Formula and work up the Conditions. Ha!
Look at all that effort thinking he’s reasoning with you, lol.
I never waste much time on people who contact me like that, who are opposed to what I am doing but want to ‘communicate’. I give them one chance to maybe come around but it’s usually clear at the start that the person is just trying to derail me from my pursuits ( which they oppose).
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Posting here means you will not talk shit about Mike on ESMB or WWP anymore ?
Be nice CD. I dont read ESMB or WWP so if someone trashes me there I only know because someone tells me. Her comment was polite and sensible so I have no reason not to post it.
Touché Sir Mike, you are more of a gentleman than me.
Now I need to post what crap she got from the church.
AnonOrange and XenuBarb Assulted by Gold Base Guards reuploaded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtlUeAV9OXc
CD no need to repost crap from the church here.
Indeed
Thanks, Mike. PS: I don’t know why he said that. I don’t “trash” anyone anywhere and I have never posted that video anywhere either. However I believe that video is not from the church. I believe it was taken by protestors at Int base quite a few years ago, of Int security attacking Angry Gay Pope.
* Sorry… I meant > Francois Choquette aka AnonOrange ( along with Barbara Graham aka XenuBarb.)
No, that vid was not taken by the “church.” Nor was it taken by anon orange, who was too busy to film at the time. This video was shot by “Sock Puppy,” one of the anons who accompanied us on that fateful day.
It actually sounds like Tommy Davis. If I had to bet, I’d put my money on him as the unctuous word smith behind both emails. Davis is certainly the poster child for delusional, haughty, irrational, self-serving, arrogance while also being one of the smarmiest people I’ve ever met (second only to DM’s personal attorney)… and so eager to substitute willful ignorance for personal integrity. Tommy Davis is like a blind, toothless, incontinent mutt that thinks of itself as the world’s fiercest “guard dog.”
Way to go Tommy. You embody everything that is wrong with the Church of Scientology. Your misplaced efforts to stop are singularly feeble-minded. And ugly. Your problem is not only the continuous overt act of condoning and supporting suppression, you apparently graduated that and became elected to become a suppressive person yourself some years ago.
Evidence of that is your statement that Scientology is a privilege. Really? Riddle me this, then Mr. Assumed Identities Are Not Identical nor Even the Same Class of Thing: How is it that a movement with a supposedly “humanitarian” purpose line (to help the human race) become a privileged social club open only to the elite few?
Scientology is neither about LRH nor COB. It is about the human race. But you wouldn’t know, never having been above Treason on the 4th dynamic, not for one second of your miserable lifetime. Please let me congratulate you again on forming your first-dynamic molecules into one of the ugliest designs of all time.
I think you could be right. Is this TD dramatizing his lord and master’s valence – or is it the original?
Anyways, the e-mails do sound like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzwLigGzeNc
LOL, “happy as clams”.
Excellent comment, Thoughtful.
Are you talking about Tommy “I perjure myself” Davis? Because that is next, mark my words.
“The primary reason is all beings will be blind and in pain forever, soon.”
This dude must have a line to super freaking hot bear spray.
“In that condition, they’re beyond help, totally. And there they will be, worsening, through the millennia. Its truly a forever proposition. And you have cast yourself to this fate. There is no helping you. None.”
And he knows all that and has a problem with Mike because:
a) He is a denizen of Hell, and knows his way around.
b) He works for Satan and has a hidden data line to the future.
c) His help button hasn’t been flattened yet.
d) He is enthralled with Mike and wants to keep him around.
c) He is off his meds.
Lol!
Was it signed Tom Cruise?
I ran across this quote that seems to fit with what is going on with this confused, crazed and very hate-filled Miscavigeite: “MENTAL SLAVERY IS THE WORST FORM OF SLAVERY. IT GIVES YOU THE ILLUSION OF FREEDOM, MAKES YOU TRUST, LOVE AND DEFEND YOUR OPPRESSOR WHILE MAKING AN ENEMY OF THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO FREE YOU OR OPEN YOUR EYES.” ELI
Do you really want the truth ? Can you handle the truth ?
“Bazinga
“if you really want to enslave people give them total freedom” L Ron Hubbard
Well, yeah, but if you try it, you see that total freedom means NO PROBLEMS TO SOLVE and presumably no need to do anything. Which is why LRH stressed that there is freedom FROM, and freedom TO, and why he placed emphasis on ability TO.
After reading that e-mail, it confirmed that I WAS brainwashed but not to that degree.
Holy Carumba!
+1 🙂
The author says COB “Is about to release OT 9-15 and more.” I hadn’t heard that before.
Yeah — but I wouldn’t put too much stock on what s/he says Laura. Otherwise you need to put in an order for a walking stick and seeing-eye dog….
That guy (could be a girl, too – Scientology has lots of screaming teenaged girls) is really fucked up! Poor bastard, probably thinks s/he gave Mike a proper Severe Reality Adjustment. But all it is is fail and lulz.
I dont know, I felt my reality was adjusted…. 🙂
“Scientology has lots of screaming teenaged girls”
CMO Hubbard Invention.
I will tell you the WHY: Teenage girls bond to a powerfull fatherfigur, L Ron Hubbard knew that, teenage girls are lyal to the max more than boys. L Ron Hubbard knew that, L Ron hubbard destroyed the authority of all other father figures on board even if they where the real fathers of such CMO’s
This guy is desperate. He realizes he has no real power so he is mocking up punishments for the “enemy” in his mind. And every mockup needs his own re-affirmations as he cannot even make it stick in his own imagination. That is how powerless and desperate he is. Complete and utter effect and out through the bottom.
That is the product of “Scientology” in the CO$.
He does not even realize that is insane ramblings confirm everything Mike has written on this blog. What a truly pathetic creature.
People stay In the FLDS, no matter what abuse, degradation, poverty, violence, sexual exploitation, denial of basic human rights they of their children must endure, for the prize of entrance into the “Celestial Kingdom.”
The writer of this e-mail, who no doubt thinks himself so wise and capable, is victimized by the same bait.
You are right. All fundamentalists have abandoned reason and tolerate abuses and absurdity because they believe the Armageddon is coming, they need entrance into the Celestial Kingdom, its the End of Times or they are going to be alone and blind in the dark forever. They all believe the same essential pitch and alla re convinced they alone have the answer. Eternal happiness and salvation is a powerful motivation if you can get anyone to buy into it. They will tolerate/sacrifice a LOT to keep that flame burning, in some cases even their lives….
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Wow, what a good job COB is doing:
1. He is letting the world know that Hubbard must have been really, really stupid not to notice, ever, that the entire body of his published work was full of thousands and thousands of errors;
2. He is telling the world that these errors were so serious and so numerous, it has taken two rounds of editing to fix them all, and the old books were so tainted they had to be burned after each round (Hubbard would really love that);
3. He is telling the world that unless each person joins the church they will rot in hell for eternity. Oh, and in all likelihood the church will reject the person. Now, this is a great recruiting tool.
4. He is writing insane, ugly emails that could be interpreted by the FBI as a threat to injure Mike Rinder. Very nice behavior for an “ecclesiastical” leader. Too bad he failed to consult one of his highly paid attorneys first. He would have learned that under 18 U.S.C. § 875(c), sending a communication interstate that threatens injury to another person can result in fines and prison sentences, up to five years. The Department of Justice may be interested in finding the author of this email because its hate filled language, sentences like “You and Cook and Ortega and Rathburn and the others can drive off a cliff together and I’d be thrilled with the news,” and the fact that it is one of several emails from the same writer, could be enough to send the author to prison.
5. One more thing. It was not very smart to brag about the wonderful job the author (Miscavige) is doing in that email. Not only does it clearly show. Miscavige’s involvement in writing the email, it is an utterly stupid marketing scheme: threats to injure someone plus puffery?
+1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoWdRMl4Jk#t=300
“If LRH were here, what would he think of you? Of COB?”
He would say that COB usurped power from the Broekers,
squirreled the tech and alienated all of the longest serving, most dedicated Scientologists (Rathbun, Debbie Cook, Jason Beghe, Amy Scobee and zillions of others, like Mike).
Nothing new nutball totalitarianism speak.
Corporate Scientology says: Freedom of religion means we’re free to practice it but your not because it’s our business cash cow. “So if you insist on your first amendment rights we’ll attack you for assuming you have any rights.”
This was one of the original reasons our cultural ancestors fled Europe in the first place. We innately know this and flinch at the attempt at religious domination. It’s an attitude and ideology transferred from the original folkways hundreds of years ago and hereafter replicated into the social order. People have given their lives for it, not to some space Obama in some distant past. We will not let you replace it for you are insane.
We’re dealing with the attempted establishment of totalitarianism. You can use Moe, Larry and Curly. Or you can use Manny, Moe and Jack and establish a totalitarian group with terror and enforced ideology. It has nothing to do with the subject of Scientology.
Corporate Scientologists might call this Order of Magnitude.
“Or would he side with COB, who won the IRS war” I believe he had a little help with that project. BTW, I wonder if he’s intentionally spelling Marty’s name wrong or he really doesn’t know how to spell Rathbun. He made the same mistake in the last email
Mike,
If you can find the IP address for this email I can run a trace on it. Do you know how to look at the headers in an email?
Sent u email Richard
A tenner says it’s Grant Cardone.
🙂 You could be right on that. He sure gets like that in some of his communications, lol!
Freaking loons. If they call that goddamned building a cathedral one more time… I’ve seen more aesthetic shopping malls!
And I’m sure LRH would side with the twerp that makes it clear that he thinks Ron was so sloppy that he never cracked one of his books to make sure everything looked right.
And about to release OT 9-15? Man that’s a howler!
You are on to something
I’m almost certain this is the Captain himself sending these emails.
These kind of people writing these emails are the product of DM’s scientology. The circus show continues…
It was written by Frank Grimes “Homer’s Enemy” from the Simpsons who earned a correspondence degree in nuclear physics and will shortly mock Mike by grabbing a thousand volt line incinerating himself. If you saw the famous episode you will recognize the tone of an intense but self righteous individual who seeks to define himself as the enemy of the story’s protagonist to his own detriment.
I’ve read a lot about Rome, when it was really falling apart and the barbarians were ready to to come in and ransack the place. There was this whole strata of upper class that continued on in complete denial, as if nothing would ever effect what they were doing. This person personifies this when they say they don’t want everyone to get into Scientology (as if Scientology is only for the select few who are “righteous.”) They consider themselves impervious to the collapse that is happening. “Good luck with that.”
Quite true, ThetaPotata. Rome fell through its own mismanagement and idiotic leadership; the so-called barbarians simply walked in and took over. An interesting parallel.
Strange style. It reminds me this HCOB about financial irregularities, where LRH (or whoever wrote it) threatened those who would misuse the money of scientology of eternal curse or something like that. It remind me also a guy coming from int to my org trying to sign me up for staff, telling me that if I didn’t take responsability, it will be the chaos, all being would be destroyed. A tech terminal tagging with him added that the fate of the earth will be much worst than OTIII incident!
I wonder where this type of idea come from. In “from clear to eternity” there is also this kind of threat. And they are so sure of what they say, you’ll boil in hell!
So strange for scientology as a viewpoint. Very opposed… can’t think with it. No, it’s not scientology thinking.
“I don’t care what you do. I really don’t.”
And yet, this person cared enough to send you this message to get you to stop what you are doing. This message smacks of desperation.
The pope forgave a man who shot him in the 1980s, but I guess Mike is different. Or corporate Scientology is different.
What a load of horse pucky.
Sheeesh
A friend of mine made the prescient comment that if Ron showed up any Org today he’d probably be declared an “SP”.
Reminds me of an old Cheech and Chong album where Jesus shows up a Church and is thrown out by its parishioners because he looked like a dirty hippie.
Ya know the sandals and long hair and all that.
Sheesh
I think we’ve gotten to that point with the so called “Church of Scientology”.
Thanks for pointing your blog to the SA blog which is very well written BTW.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the SA orgs declared themselves independent of the “Mother Church” and all power to ’em.
I’m not even going to comment on this emailer’s claims of the paranormal regarding Misacavige because they are all lies and half truths.
The only truth is that Miscavige has succeeded in building an empty “cathedral” where he can worship himself.
Anyhoo….
Mike.
If there is anybody going to some deep dark place it is the person who is writing these emails.
Also if you want any real auditing Mike at some point and of course by your own determinism I’d be happy to provide it.
Robin — thanks. In spite of our willingness to engage in “comment spats” I know you to be a well intentioned guy. A “man of goodwill.” You last line is proof of that. Thank you.
Mike,
In spite of our occasional donny brooks. I think you run the best blog on what is currently going on with the Church of Scientology.
You’re doing an excellent job!
(I rarely use exclamations these days but I’ll make an exception here 🙂 )
Keep up the good work mate 🙂
Love
Robin
Nice! We’re all on the same side–truth vs. BS; tech vs. squirreldom; expose the RCS vs. Kool-Aid. Robin, I gotta admit…..Mike’s gotcha on number of times circling the FH in a helicopter. But I am sure you are a great auditor and for hanging in there with your own shingle…priceless. 🙂
I think Hubbard would have sided with Rinder. I can’t believe I am fucking saying this but props to you for finally standing up for what is right, Mike. We’ve come a long way together on different paths.
Why would Ron pick Rinder over DM? Simple. DM has violated much of what Hubbard put in place. Hubbard did everything for a reason, so it is arrogant of DM to counter his orders.
Remember what Hubbard said about MEST and collecting real estate?
He knew that this sort of diversion would result in fewer people on the Bridge, as their money is going to Ideal Orgs and Super Power. And so it has become, members in good standing complaining about all the regging for peripheral junk not related to their personal bridge progress.
And the IAS is a total violation of what Hubbard envisioned.
Gats I and II: DM sez Hubbard’s books had errors ten years ago and now they are fixed. Comes now GAT II. What you “correcting” this time, DM? Nothing but another pass at your bank accounts, people. Buy these books. They are the RIGHT books. Get rid of your old books. What do you think Hubbard would say about DM’s “corrections” of his work?
I have an idea of what he’d say, but it would all look like this: )&*^*&&_%+) ()*^&*^% (p&%^$)_* )*& )(*^&(&%&( !!!!@!!!!!!!
LOL, you will never go up the bridge. MAYBE THAT’S BECAUSE NOBODY WILL BECAUSE IT’S A PIER! There is no “other end” of the bridge. And DM will never have the ability to make one.
It’s kind of amusing to see this True Believer praising DM for violating Hubbard’s directives. This is one reason why the Scientology organization is beginning to fail.
Fancy to see you post here
KKS ,AnonKat, Cat Daddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-fWDrZSiZs
I’m not an OT but here’s my knowingness about the subject of eternity:
Telling the truth secures a being’s eternity.
How do I know this?
Beats me!
I just feel it, somehow. It just feels right. It indicates.
It is people exactly like Mr. Fundamentalist that have destroyed whatever promise Scientology held.
People who use religion to harm attack and suppress others.
You are right TO. It’s a pattern that has been repeated throughout history. And the common denominator of fundamentalists as far as I understand the phenomenon is that they are absolutely convinced that they, and only they, hold the answers to the secrets of eternal life. And that’s what this email demonstrates in spades. Though if you go back to the fundamentals of Scientology, and I mean WAY back, it postulates that each of us holds the answers ourselves.
The emails sound juvenile, like Ed Bryan speaks when he is throwing a tantrum. Now that I think about it, there is something very juvenile about all religious fundamentalists. They are like juvenile delinquents! They usually do not want to go to school and have very little education. They get all stirred easily up on a “Hooray for our side” theme. They are usually involved juvenile occupations that require motor skills only, building, construction, fishing, cleaning chimneys, shooting other men (soldiers) etc etc. The only education they usually have is the one run on rumors of the religion they are so desperate about. They have very limited social skills which keep them confined to small circles. They like to run in packs with a back up crew, feel naked with out packs. Get confused without orders from above, or sideways. Engaged in criminal activities like domestic terrorism and hate crimes, theft and fraud. Recklessly accept invitations to blind devotion. They think being “three feet in back of your head” means the small one.
You make a good point about “Hate Crime”. Wonder if Mike should turn this over to the local police department for investigation. They will be able to fine the IP of the sender.
Well, just a thought…
Why not turn the tables on Scn? Since their answer to everything is to go legal on people, Mike should turn the emails over to the authorities. It’s interesting they came out after the text messages between Mike R, Tommy Davis and DM and “Lou” clearly show that DM micromanages everything and also invalidates and browbeats his juniors and swears like a sailor at them. So yes, he was involved in everything, despite his lies otherwise. So after that damning evidence makes it out, the barrage against Mike starts. Go legal on them Mike and keep doing the blog. You’re really making inroads and I thank you for that.
+1
What a nasty, wicked universe this person lives in…
As always, I’m grateful to be out of there!
This “person” is not only a kool-aide drinker, he bathes in the stuff. Threat? His voice is like a fart in the Grand Canyon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA
do you think this business about beings becoming blind could be part of the scarry tactics to get people to disconnnect?
I mean is it just the insanity of that one person or is it more pervasive.
It is kind of important in that sense that it is a whole new level of crazy and changes somewhat the discourse with people in , as in “lighter touch”.
There is an HCOPL that touches on staff pilfering the kitty where LRH states the being will cave/key himself in after his passing realizing THEN what he has done. Likely this has, like most of the woof-woof out of the CO$, been taken out of context.
That most certainly could happen, and might well become the subject of someone else NOTs session. Nonetheless, COB/CO$ vs. Rinder sidings either way have no bearing on such matters. Moving up the bridge is your best insurance, and it’s all happening right here in Indieland.
Dear Fuckoff/eatshit,
Thank you for not mentioning Mike’s 2D in your threatening email. I see you paid attention to my previous post, where I admonished you for doing so.
Please continue to pay close attention to this so you won’t make yourself look too evil.
Remember, leave the wife and children alone and withhold the impulse to go after them. People are watching your actions.
Good job Pepper!
I think this guy is smart enough to see that the COS is sinking fast. He’s desperate. Problem is, of course, he’s blaming a wrong target. He’s using you as a scapegoat Mike. He’s got a bad flat tire, now he’s kicking the cat.
And A=A=A= Mike Rinder. It’s all your fault Mike.
The asshat who wrote this mentions that they probably won’t be able to clear the planet before the “end” and that non-scientologists will die blind and in pain.
I find that telling. I hope that there will not be a version of Jonestown in the near future with the last holdouts and “true believers” dropping their bodies to practice Scientology on target 2 or elsewhere in the universe.
Anyone else pick up on that?
The Classy emails remind me of the Trolls on WWP, same style
Mike, who ever wrote this email to ya forgot to include Batman to their list “You and Cook and Ortega and Rathburn and the others can drive off a cliff together and I’d be thrilled with the news. What you guys are doing will not stop our mission. It just won’t, I’m merely stating a fact. Billions of psych dollars didn’t, but you think you can?” My answer to this question is “We have LOVE, COMPASSION and TRUTH and those 3 components will always win over hate, coldheartedness, and lies!”.
+1. Ahh the LCT Triangle. What a shame LRH missed it. How different things might have been.
Troll. On one hand Mike been certified as condemned, on the other he’s pleading to repent. Where is this reference “beings will be blind and in pain forever”? And donating to real estate instead of services, or pay for the OT IX level and then wait for the parishioner to pass a way will spare him from all that? Needs to run the next set of platens which has now keyed in.
A privilege well and alive out here delivered standardly by the book. This person is completely uninformed what’s going on out here.
Mike, you must be running short on material to give the trolls the floor.
The main flaw with this email, is that the writer is attempting to use 7th Grade Tech™ on a bunch of graduate students.
But 7th Grade Tech™ is probably the only thing that guy has.
Oh the eternal question, “What would LRH do? Whose side would he be on?”
Probably neither Mike’s side or David’s side. LRH hated negative publicity, and he also hated tech alterations. At the time of his death in 1986 LRH was a very sick, paranoid man, whose problems were being exacerbated by his self imposed isolation. I would like to think his problem solving skills were better earlier in his life, say before the creation of the Sea Org. But the point is that by the end of his life he couldn’t have fitted himself into Dave’s Cult or the Indie Movement, which thankfully doesn’t believe in his strict command and control rules for Scientology.
I really don’t think that the question can be answered because even if LRH had offloaded DM he would have probably punted to someone else in Scientology whose faults would have soon become apparant. Once LRH got rid of David Mayo,(with DM’s help) the chance that Scientology was going to have a non dictorial leader were probably over.
Its not my religion, but if you believe in the Tech, the most logical thing to do, is to go use it, and not worry about what LRH would say in some apocraphal matchup between an Indie and DM over who was right. LRH is gone and looking for an answer from him is an abrigation of your own free will.
So right, Non-Scientologist…
Like LRH would say, this letter is truly a sign of your success. The link to the South African guy was awesome.
I agree — the email is a sign of success.
From a Scientology perspective, it is a predictable transition: as order is put in, disorder blows off. More specifically, as truth is “put in” on Church of Scientology, the lies will blow off more and more shrilly.
This kind of email only makes one entity look bad: Church of Scientology. That’s how the majority of public will read it. The message creates empathy for Mike, recognition that the writer is deluded and may need help, and abhorrence that this would be sort of communication a so-called church would engender.
LRH stated that any problems with the church will always be found to be internal. Why then worry about a blog? Isn’t that external?
The internal problem with the Church of Scientology is that Scientology has gone missing.
Dave, what did you do with Scientology?
EDIT: Psych, not IRS.
But for that last sentence, I assumed it was none other than David Miscavige who penned that email. It had an “angry scotch” tone and was about as senseless as everything else he says. Then I saw the last sentence where he says, this is about LRH, not COB. Sorry, I don’t believe he has even a shred of humility that would allow such an admission. Also, he has that pesky lawsuit in Texas and is, no doubt, figuring out how to answer certain questions without running afoul of the perjury statute.
Anyway Mike, wishing you and your family and happy and prosperous new year. Skydog
This is absolute comedy GOLD!!! Was this email supposed to be frightening? I literally laughed out loud at least seven times while reading . . . and reread it again for good comedic measure. My favorite part is the comparison to the IRS: “Billions of psych dollars didn’t, but you think you can?” Ugh, yes. I believe they are doing it . . . AND DOING IT WELL, thanks to a little thing called the internet. On another note, while the internet has made it easy to find out ALL of the secrets of Scientology, it has also been a huge letdown. To be blunt, your secrets are really fucking boring. I mean, reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaally boring.
this is certainly a diluted person who wrote this! It is obvious to me that whoever wrote this does care what you do!!!
I know you meant “deluded,” but I love the “diluted” adjective. The writer’s humanity is clearly diluted (and polluted) with venom.
This isn’t about Mike. This isn’t about COB. And it isn’t about LRH. What it IS about is Valuable Final Products. If the church had ANY it wouldn’t be hemorrhaging people and would be filling course rooms and auditing chairs. Look at your fucking stats people. And I mean the REAL stats.
You completely nailed it, vbauman. No VFPs, stats totally suck..
“And the truth will set you free”
Not for nothin’ has this been said so many times and in so many ways.
It’s so heart warming to know they got tax exempt status after infiltrating the IRS and harassing them so they can be such a peaceful joy spreading ‘church’.
They know things are spinning out of control and when that happens, they attack anyone they can whom they perceive as starting the spinning, never realizing it was them who started it. Call me a total sap, but I sort of feel bad for the sending of the email–even if it’s the little he who shall not be named. Their whole existence is being confronted and shattered and there’s nothing they can do. Their lies and attacks are coming back to haunt them. It’s gotta be really scary for them. Shame they don’t have anyone they trust to talk to about their problems.
“Shame they don’t have anyone they trust to talk about their problems.” Too funny!! It’s too bad more folks don’t have the compassion you show.
You’re right, it must be scary for them, loyal followers not understanding why, imagining it’s evil forces winning. But there are some who apparently just want to destroy and those are the ones I have trouble feeling for, the wretched, miserable, souls. It takes some effort on my part, and I can’t help thinking of Hubbard who actually got in there into that mass of hatred and connected the cause and effect that produced it – compassion is a good thing, and so is champagne, but too much of it blurs my vision.
P.S. If you don’t care what he does, why are you emailing him? Hmmmmmmmm
How brave of the writer, barking in anonymity while demonstrating the church’s version of “What is Greatness”.
It seems you are having an impact Mike. I wonder if any spittle remains on the authors screen after writing this? A ranting lunatic.
As the membership dwindles, this is more and more representative of what remains. Guys like this will poison the pool chasing others away.
I wonder if he thinks his needle was 3 swinging an F/N after writing this or was there another needle manifestation occurring?
Tim,
Yes, there was a frantic slash back and forth.
Probably a different needle action — rock slam! Evil purpose!
Niiiice. Hope you’ve saved that for Monique’s lawsuit. Too bad Miscavige has so much trouble not tooting his own horn. He’s single handedly running Scientology for damn sure. Glad to know that. Thanks DM aka anonymous emailer
From time to time, I’ve wondered and worried about the possibility of the Scientology equivalent of a Jonestown. The psychologically unbalanced nature of the email Mike got makes me wonder again. Might the supposedly disembodied LRH, via a Miscavige proclamation, call all the truly faithful to run R2-45 and come join him in his higher level research that can only be done out-of-body, leaving the ungrateful Earth to its well-deserved fate? Is that the step one will need to take to do OT levels 9-15?
It’s a morose thought, I know. But I’ve lived on Earth for awhile now. I’ve seen stranger things happen.
Mike, I’m sorry you have to put up with this. Nobody should ever have to live with repeated harassment and threats.
If you know anybody with IT knowledge you should forward them the email(s) and see if they can figure out where it came from (IP address, etc). I have a hunch that scientology might not properly cover their tracks.
“The person…who’s dragging Scn through the mud daily.” Please continue.
Reading this, I had a bit of a cog:
If Scientology really works, why hasn’t LRH come back to correct the scene?
Keep having cogs, and you’ll come the point of realizing that the entire subject is about a higher level of responsibility. No matter which way you turn, eventually, you come up against limitations to affect the lives of others, and you have to let them do it themselves.
AnonymousG,
It DOES work as per what LRH aimed for. He created a flim flam operation and used the bait of “OT” & immortality to fleece millions from people. I thought it would fall apart after OT 8 was released and it didn’t deliver what he promised. That was the beginning of the end. DM just has postponed the reckoning by making people redo the “Bridge” a few times.
Doesn’t take much enlightenment to come to the conclusion that hating is the affliction. Being hated is no big deal. I think I was around 12 when I figured that out.
I don’t see any of the precepts of, “The Way to Happiness” being employed here at all.
I think he should have asked nicely if he could meet with you and go over the existing scene and see if something couldn’t be worked out toward some understanding. By coming out of the gates with enemy, fuckoff, and eatshit the earth is so scorched at that point, how do you communicate?
On a side note, I’m disappointed to be R-Factored that I am soon to be blind. Having just finished L-12 and about to finish OT 5 in the Independent field I was really starting to see things clearly.
The poor soul who wrote this is at “not know” and “won’t look” on the scale of knowingness – LOL!! He is too far gone Mike – so let’s wish him well on his journey in Scientology – The Dwindling Church of Greed and Insanity! It is going down fast and there is no love or care inside the prison walls!! YOU are making a huge effect on the Church of Scientology Mike Rinder!! Thank you for exposing the truth daily!! WE love you!!
“Its not to clear the planet before it blows up, although that’s another reason. Its just not the primary reason.”
Surely the comedy genius who wrote this line had Ben Stiller in mind (try it in your imagination, it’s hilarious).
Man, whoever that is is seriously bent out of shape. In another part of the world, he would be a candidate for strapping explosives around his chest and walking into a marketplace. He is one of the 10% who will never, ever change his mind from his sentiments above. And of course, like people of that ilk, he or she remains a mystery. Ahhh, the Internet!
Lol Dan.
He is one of the bottom 1% of the bottom 10%….
I wouldn’t be so quick to op-term on this guy. Sounds to me more like he’s come up to Enforce and just about to pop into Desire. What he’s directed at Mike here is most likely his own internal dialogue. We’ll probably see his wake-up story here soon.
That is exactly what I was thinking as I read this. It seems to me this person is on the very edge of the cult and ready to move onto the correct side. This was his last ditch effort to be right about all the years and $ wasted in the cult.
I look forward to this new arrival in the indy field and his quick recovery of sanity.
It might be interesting to send these “theta” emails to a news outlet so that the world can see what great communicators that scientologists really are.
Insightful. Like the homophobes who are really smitten.
Interesting auditor’s viewpoint, Graduated. Jane and Indie have that same concept.
I’m liking more and more this auditor viewpoint. Could be the writer IS actually coming uptone. I’m going to stop thinking of him now as a counter-effort and grant him beingness. After all, Mike is granting him beingness by allowing him to post here and communicate to him despite the threats and insults. At least the guy is there and communicating. That’s something.
+1
It is an interesting write up and I could analyze several points, but lets take just one: ‘it is a privilege to sit on a course or hold the cans”. This is the line Tom Cruise ran on his video…it is a privilege to be a Scientologist…and so on. Well, if they are trying to save millions of beings from going blind and live in pain, how come they have not granted them the privilege to do Scientology?
Because millions of people don’t have the 100,000s of dollars to buy that privilege, because the Church is not about helping others, because they have kept running the dogma that the world will perish if you don’t contribute to the Church and frankly, because the Church does not care about others.
Whoever wrote this, is in panic…yes he writes threats, but this person is in terror and thus attacks in an attempt to show that ‘he is the power’, or at least pretend he is such.
This guy is Freddie Quell from “The Master”!
Soon he’ll be back on the hooch and carousing again.
And I’ll say – good for him! It’ll be much better than being an ideological fanatic, spewing hate and beating up Scientology’s “enemies”. Maybe he can live out the rest of his days in the boring purgatory of Alcoholics Anonymous and die in a sparse apartment with dusty furniture in some suburb somewhere.
And I’ll say – good for him!
By the way, one of the best books to describe what’s going on in the mind of this guy is Eric Hoffer’s 1950’s book, “The True Believer”. It’s an extremely insightful book about the types of inner vulnerabilities which exist to create a fanatical totalitarian Scientologist like this. And Hoffer was writing about Christians, Nazis, Communists and other ideological “mass movements” – he probably didn’t even know about Scientology.
Sorry you have to go through this, Mike.
But Scientology is as Scientology does.
And when Scientology does something like this, it’s always good if everyone sees it.
Alanzo
This looks like a written piece from an OSA Int staff member, someone like Gavino Itta. One who sits in front of the computer all day and “monitors” the various blogs every day.
I’ve wondered for quite a while now, how a person like this could compartmentalize what they read online, and not be able to see truth.
But here’s a guy in OSA who reads from people all over the world, probably even this comment, and “glides” through the words without analyzing it per the Data Series (Scientology’s own tech!). He thinks everything written on here is written by SPs or the severely PTS and discounts everything said.
How could one seriously read all of this data, from people all over the world, and not see even an inch of truth there? And continue to help that organization.
Oh it’s easy peasy. Everyone here is a fucking sick DB, PTS, SP asshole, drowning in a sea of overts.
I was actively online as a churchie and read everything (which inevitably got me into trouble). I had carefully cultivated a set of truly epic thought stoppers. What gave them life, however, was the “knowingness” that Scientology worked miracles and truly was the “only” effective method of helping mankind.
When the sad story of Lisa McPherson hit, it was impossible for me not to see and know that the Co$ failed her in every possible way, and cared more about P fucking R than taking responsibility. But soon enough I learnt to excuse it, determining the public outrage was “misemotion” stirred up by a handful of SPs out to “cause trouble”.
If you’ve had some life-changing wins with the tech, and observed something Hubbard said you’d observe, the illogical next step is to assume everything Hubbard said is “true” and the Co$ really is the saviour of the universe. Matched with the gratitude you feel having changed your life from this thing the Co$ has provided you, it becomes a certainty that your mind will do all it can to protect. imho.
Ha!
If they had sites like this or even if Internet was widespread when I was “in” and we had an opportunity to see anything similar to this blog or Marty’s, I would have been gone like a cool breeze!
That’s because even if one is uncertain due to widespread lies within the “church” all one would need to do is compare what is being said here to what they can freely observe with their own eyes.
There were no websites like this when I left and I never heard anyone question the antics of COB back in the day, but after a while there were plenty of other red flags that soon became too much.
One of the first red flags I noticed: Too many declares to make sense.
And that was decades ago!
Anon ….
How does an addict go into his own parents’ house and take everything of value and sell it to feed his habit? How does he lie time after time, with tears running down his face, swearing he has taken his last fix and only needs the money for rent? To many still in the RCS, getting the Tech (in whatever form) is an addiction. This need to remain, to disbelieve all else, to refuse to accept words from trusted friends and family, to me all speaks to the insane and unstoppable urge to for that next “hit.” There is no reason involved, which is why we can’t understand why they don’t ‘get it.’ How many have spent $50,000 chasing bad, only to spend $100,000 more to feel worse — and then do it all over again? There is no amount of explanation to explain this – it’s the unreasoning urge to survive in a way that’s been lost but not accepted.
This person writing the letter to Mike, probably had tears in his eyes and shaking hands as he typed one line of entheta after another, knowing full well it wasn’t true. But he still had to do it.
Odd
Hey Mike,
I’ll be hanging with you in the dark and being blind and all that good shit. I’ll bring the booze.
Pizza is on me. 🙂
http://youtu.be/fyXOmNyIRv0
This email is soooo theta. Such a great example of the spiritual qualities of the tech and the level of understanding and compassion of those in the church. And from such a lovely ecclesiastical word-thumper: fuckoff@eatshitanddierinder. Great example of the spiritual exultation that LRH’s words evoke in his followers.
Their mothers should be proud of them.
Firstly happy new year Mike, et all…
That one was hilarious Mike. It had more humor than the first one.
First off, I thought the door was always open if even just a crack? Lol!
Secondly, this guy or girl has no confidence in their ability to change your mind. You would think an OT would be more “tone 40”!! 🙂
‘This isn’t about COB. This is about LRH”.
But the whole piece was about whether LRH would side with COB or Mike. And who is right, COB or Mike?
“This” is particularly and pertinently about COB.
And I will bet the RCS has heard it said, countless times by disgruntled insiders on their way out, that “This isn’t about LRH. This is about COB.” So they are trying to reverse the flow, but not without betraying themselves first.
Whose side would LRH be on? Let me itemize the way COB altered the tech. Now whose side would LRH be on.
Hi Mike,
Wow, must be incredibly upsetting to know that you won’t be invited to dave’s versions of OTIX etc.
If you would like an L1C to handle the upset I’d be happy to help out.
Oh…I just realized that this probably means I won’t be invited either. Hummm…apparently I just don’t have any charge at all on this.
There must a TON of CI on GAG II. More people leaving in droves. Dave must be popping vessels in his ‘ead these days,
A friend called me and said that she is not a happy camper with GAG II and that it is squirrel and she thinks the church has gone squirrel now. Shes added, “and I’m not the only one who thinks that either.” This means that there are many IN the church people who hate GAG II and are under the radar and some, maybe many, are leaving. To all you under the radars, just leave. Now is the time. The standard tech and auditors to deliver it await you in the Indie field. You can make it up the Bridge out here and do it faster and for less money. Jump in, the water’s fine!
Indeed. Leave now – more likely than not, your family will turn out to be squarely behind you.
And grab the evidence of the illegal sales tactics (and worse) and save them for lawsuits. Don’t bother with suing for unspent money on account, go for everything ever “donated” as it’s all a fraud.
The product sold by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is a fraud both from a “wog law” perspective – wittness the French conviction – and from a “LRH was always right” perspective – wittness the original / GAT I / GAT II alterations.
And you don’t have to accept a confidentiality when the Co$ capitulates – Bonnie Woods and David Love didn’t…
(Well; I can dream 🙂 )
Mike Rinder, Son of Perdition, Little Horn, Most Unclean:
http://youtu.be/1RnNDWWMYvY
I love that movie
Oh, Mike Rinder, you vessel of Satan you. Here is the fate that waits you:
http://youtu.be/Oi1r8B5INfU
Epic
Absolutely bat-shit crazy.
Not only did this guy buy the farm, he bought the whole state of Oklahoma! I see another dust bowl in it’s future.
Wow, well I decided that this email could be cob but then again it could be one of the osabots like Rick Pendrey for example, the guy who tried but failed to get a list of independent auditors and CSes out of me when he came to me for auditing. In any case it’s written by someone whose flare for the dramatic is probably proud as punch to see his cult-ranting words in print on a site that gets more hits that the cofs gets.
It’s written by someone so brainwashed that the multitude of affidavits about cob’s black dianetics and scientology behaviors is not known or not evaluated or like your brother – not concerned with as they can’t see the forest for the trees and wouldn’t know a true practicing Scientologist if one hit them in the face something a true practitioner would likely not do. Thus the cult of irresponsibility prevails in that rant and this brainwashed parrot spews the mis-assigned ownership of past victories, and this so called preservation of LRH tech to cob alone, the self-appointed messiah of the tech he himself has not mastered as opposed to the mien furhar that he is by honest evaluation of the information.
It is a funny read and it does give a great example of just how far down the rabbit hole they believe they are inside that spin bin. I have had a changing view of those like this guy who wrote this. Currently it’s that he’s just nuttier than a fruitcake as is the osa source egging it on and reporting the most recent “done” to the mien furhar cob david miscavige himself upon whose orders this kind of thing is done and NEVER done without his consent. Of this I have little doubt based on my decades of experience and data accumulated.
whoever wrote that clearly has been injecting the cool aid and overdosed….
and what a state of delirium maximus moronicus…no wait that is the Full EP of miscavology, or hmmm maybe they just went OT 20 on Objectives…
Spend eternity in hell or eternity involved in scn?
Better get a fan…..
Is it just me, or does this person seem to have an awfully negative world view?
To be getting this much flak you know you’re right over the target! Continue. Wonder if that target has anything to do with Miscavige having to give a deposition. Hmm. Can’t wait for that day to come. There’s not enough Valium made to calm his nerves.
A cathedral? Sorry – Wikipedia disagrees: A cathedral (French cathédrale from Latin. cathedra, “seat” from the Greek kathedra (καθέδρα), seat, bench, from kata “down” + hedra seat, base, chair) is a Christian church which contains the seat of a bishop,[1] thus serving as the central church of a diocese, conference, or episcopate.
That monstrosity is not a cathedral. As for the rest of his rant – I think this is written to scare the people (still in / fence-sitting) who read your Blog, Mike. They obviously have a lot of time on their hands….
This sounds like it was written by the same person as the last one. Dave? Stop throwing a tantrum, it isn’t becoming.
“I don’t care what you do.” [That is why I’m writing this long e-mail.]
“You and Cook and Ortega and Rathburn and the others can drive off a cliff together and I’d be thrilled with the news” [Uh, wait, I said I didn’t care – and I meant it! No, wait, driving off the cliff sounds better! Oh, what the hell, this is a fair game e-mail, it doesn’t have to make sense!]
“There are some people who are simply not invited and others who don’t deserve the privilege,” [I fear I may be included among the unwashed masses if this e-mail backfires – which it just… oh… sh*!]
Essentially, this whole communication is very… strange. Hysterical, powerless. If this were a D&D roleplaying game I’d say they didn’t invest any points in Intimidate, so the response is “[Intimidate: failure] HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thank you good sir, but I regret I cannot employ you as the tutor of my children. You wouldn’t last a minute.”
It certainly sounds like the author is confused. A very good indicator that DM and people in OSA are secretly terrified.
+1
DollarM,
You said it in one word: “Hysterical”
“With today’s tech and materials, we will find you.” Ha ha ha. Watch out, Mike. 😀
Yeah, maybe this is in reference to tree-camera tech? Or paddle boat tech?
Garbage tech.
Or phone book tech.
Keep records of all of these attempts at intimidation. I doubt they are legal.
Paddle boat tech – man I’m rolling right now from that mental picture!
“Vee Vill fint you!” Um, how about they try a little phone book tech. I’ll bet that Mike is pretty easy to find. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist…but it does take someone who CAN think and is smarter than a horse.
Maybe they’ll put Mr. Ed on the case. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ymhz6scsg
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Was that really meant to “enturbulate”? That’s straight out of Saturday Night Live! Ouch! I just split my side with laughter!
Clearly this blog is like artillery rounds landing in CoB’s yard daily.
Keep firing.
The TA is moving; do nothing. By which I mean, your posts are getting lots of TA movement with DM, so don’t change what you’re doing — just keep on pouring coal on the fire and keep on posting as you do, keep on putting up articles that shed light on the lies, the insanities and the evil. Keep it up Mike! You’re doing great! Steady as she goes and fire the next round.
+1 !
Exactly. It’s getting TA – sort of like the death throes just before the last breath. Next week, that writer might write to you and say, “I was wrong about all that.” hahaha
+1 Exactly!
Ooooooh, be very, VERY afraid, MIke!
Whoever this guy is, this asshole – it does sound like a guy – he’s certainly one freaking-out, FRANTIC asshole.
Talk about “desperate” – wow, I can almost hear the “OUCH” in this guy’s comm. (“Stop, Mike! Ow! Stop, stop stop you have to stop now now now OW!”)
Well, lets R-factor him that, “The way out is the way through”.
Please do carry on, by all means, Mr. Rinder! :
Asshole, just keep reading. You’ll feel better eventually..
Mike, are you aware that each email contains the IP address of the sender? There are ways to hide it via proxies or specific email sites. Nevertheless, you should analyse the emails. Maybe some fanatics or OSA do not act in professional way. Google for “email sender ip address”.
There’s no whois info on eatshitrinder.com, and multiple registrars list that url as available. What a fun and relatively inexpensive little game it would be to start registering these domain names. . .
The “from” address can be faked – that’s what spammers do. But some data regarding the true sender is often (not always) still traceable from the email’s source code. Mike, if you are interested, email me the source code and I can see what I can find out…
Sent to you
From what I can see this is not an actual email but a comment submitted on this blog (with an email notification sent to you). The commenter’s IP address seems to be 76.174.10.27, which is within a range of IP addresses allocated to Road Runner residential customers in Honolulu, HI, Kansas City, KS, Orange, CA and San Diego, CA RDCs. So the commenter can be in any of these areas, but I tried to narrow it down and it seems that out of those areas, the most likely one is in or around Los Angeles.
Since it’s a residential service IP address, it is unlikely that it was submitted from a church computer – it is more likely from someone posting at home.
Gavino gets people to set up accounts to post things from all over the place. For a long time Bill Yaude ran this operation. Back then it required getting accounts purchased around the country from different ISPs, paying with cash. There were lots of them. It’s much easier these days.
Mike –
Who does Gavino work with? Will you list any of their names?
What is a typical work day for Gavino?
What are some of the projects Gavino has worked on for OSA and what were their results?
What kind of budget does Gavino work with?
Who has Gavino targeted in the past? Has he ever been successful in his projects? Which ones? What were the results? Has he ever failed? How?
Is Miscavige aware of the results of Gavino’s actions?
Do you know Suzanne Crowley, Tim Crowley, or Jesus Gimenez?
What relationship does Craig Jenson of Executive Software have with OSA Int and are you aware of any OSA programs that he or Jesus Gimenez have run for OSA?
I would love to hear anything you know about in this area, Mike.
Thanks.
Alanzo
Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but I assume you’ve heard about TOR?
I have to believe these are the words of David himself.
Bingo!
I have to agree. It has to be DM himself writing that horrible email. But it proves one thing in spades: when we (the Indie field) expand, and we are, the SP’s go crazy and try all the harder to shut us down. DM is getting desperate and even more crazy!
I don’t think so. For one, the writer of the email misspelled Marty’s name as “Rathburn”. Second, the writer says “COB will release OT 9-15 soon”, which Dave wouldn’t use to make Mike wrong because he knows that Mike knows the OT 9 and above levels don’t exist – so this wouldn’t work as a make-wrong. This is more likely an attempt by someone who is still in the dark about this and other lies of Miscavige, is a true believer, possibly someone in OSA or RTC who has full internet access, doing a Liability condition.
Mike, what do you think?
GT — I dont think this one is written by Miscavige. Though some of his themes are apparent. It reads more like something written by Gavino Idda in OSA Int. He has notoriously screwed up in the past with his know-best stunts and something like this would not be out of character for him. Clumsy english. With themes repeated by Miscavige routinely (“all those SPs desperately want to come back and I won’t let them” and “they will be blind and alone in the dark as black cinders for eternity”). But you are right, the OT 9-15 would be idiotic for Miscavige himself to write. Though he has told the big lie about OT IX and X often enough…. But my bet would be Gavino. It’s about his level of incompetence.
Mike wrote:
It reads more like something written by Gavino Idda in OSA Int. He has notoriously screwed up in the past with his know-best stunts and something like this would not be out of character for him.
I’d love to hear a story about how Gavino Idda notoriously screwed up in the past with one of his know-best stunts!
Do tell, Mike!
Tell us a Gavino Idda story!!!
Alanzo
My thoughts also. Besides this blog (and others) I think there’s a little someone still ticked about the helicopter incident!
Congratulations Mike, not only are you living on the fringe of the internet but you’re also living rent free in DM’s psychotic mind.
LOL! Watch out Mike, with dm’s hubris, you might get a bill for rent!
Now here is a person showing the true compassion of the church. Beings are basically good and the door is always opened a crack, and the tech is workable on every case.
Except for you, Mike. And apparently anyone else who has a voice and uses it.
Oddly, I do agree with one concept. Only against his point. People leaving the church who settle living on the cult-think’s dichotomy of “since the church is bad and hurt me then all Scn is bad and so is everything about LRH,” is still utilizing cult-mind-think outside of the cult. Cult-mind-think is a protective mechanism of “everything IN is good so don’t fuck with me or it” and yet it works the same as “I’m now out, so everything IN is bad.”
The underlying problem with people in the church, and apparently this guy, is a weak ability to look and think for yourself and evaluate data. We all who were once in can agree with that. But leaving the church doesn’t automatically give you the ability to evaluate what is workable in life. That’s a spiritual or educational path one chooses to walk himself.
And one must decide if their like or dislike of a man alters truths or untruths about life. Or if the unworkability of justice tech negates ethics tech. Or if the wild concepts in the OT materials is pertinent to the process itself.
This is a gift one gives to himself when leaving a cult. You can now safely like, dislike, use or not use whatever you feel helps you in life. Don’t be the dichotomy of this guy. Think for yourself.
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The “we / they” thing was useful to me at the very beginning. There was a group to belong to, and so on. After a couple of weeks, some auditing, and courses, I started to see what it was all about, thought about the mindset of “we / they” for literally a few moments – I mean, I was “in” it for a few moments, then blew it off. Everyone in the org came from the society at large, so how was I to cast aspersions on the society, and perhaps more to the point how was I to help anyone I condemned? Pffft.
The question to ask is, “Who am I (me, myself, really)? What do I represent? What are my products?”
John F. Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.” (I think that’s accurate.) That was a broad and public political statement. Ask not what someone can do for you, ask what you can do for someone – I think that’s probably what he lived by, but it wouldn’t have had political impact. as it sounds almost religious.
It doesn’t mean being a damn fool. Insofar as Scientology is concerned, it may be a big leap, but it means taking responsibility for oneself and the whole subject. I mean the real live truth, not just the indications LRH gave. Rock solid as those are, one still must digest and test and see for oneself. Responsibility for the whole subject also means taking some responsibility for others (as distasteful as that may seem at times). Only one individual can wear a new pair of boots. Fortunately, there are lots of empty new boots lying around. It’s necessary to be able to accept help offered, too, and with the bountiful wealth of help offered in Scientology, some find that hard.
Great comments Anon and Carcha! How about the datums to keep your own council, select your own decisions and be true to your own goals? How about, what is true for you, is true for you and when you’ve lost that, you’ve lost everything? (EVERYTHING!) I took these datums to heart when I first read them in 1974, and as someone with authority issues and a rough childhood, I was very very scrutinizing of everything I read. I consciously decided what I agreed with and didn’t. I thought that was standard. I believe that what Scn is supposed to do, is gradiently validate and strengthen the individual’s point of view, so that greater and greater abilities and perceptions are achieved. After 10 years with my face in HCOBs, auditing people, I grew to trust LRH implicitly, regarding auditing. One thing I am certain of, is that he wanted thetans to be free. I am interested in any truth, but am not much concerned about the rest. I thought hearing that Ron had a temper, drank or had an ex-wife or two was normal. Self reflection and personal responsibility are inherent in any spiritual growth as far as I can tell, We are all struggling with the same things. We can only do that from our own point of view, and try to do the next right thing, in our own way, in our own time, being true to our own goals and priorities. This is the ultimate failure of the rcs, instead of reveling in the joy of totally unique beings, doing what they do, they’re trying to force this frankenstein fundamentalism down everyone’s throat. They couldn’t be more off purpose and are of course, doomed to failure. Their weird little war is fighting the nature of beings.
+1 Well stated
Anon, what an astute and thoughtful comment. Thanks.
“And one must decide if their like or dislike of a man alters truths or untruths about life. Or if the unworkability of justice tech negates ethics tech. Or if the wild concepts in the OT materials is pertinent to the process itself.
This is a gift one gives to himself when leaving a cult. You can now safely like, dislike, use or not use whatever you feel helps you in life. Don’t be the dichotomy of this guy. Think for yourself.”
Anon, you rock. There are those of us who agree wholeheartedly. Infinity valued logic applies in or out of a cult. Every piece of data needs to be inspected individually and compared to other pieces of data, with full data series in use.
I believe that a lot of the reason people who are in don’t get the criminality is because they can’t see differences and similarities. And, they don’t look so that they can possibly see ANY differences OR similarities at all.
I recently had an intense comm cycle with someone who was totally bad mouthing LRH and things that he had done. My feeling is that it doesn’t really matter what Ron did or didn’t do.
The man is dead.
The only person we can do anything about is the living and breathing DM. Where he got his idiot ideas from doesn’t matter. It only matters that he’s still suppressing people and that he’s not dead so we can address the problem.
Can’t wait for his deposition.
Good one Indie 8 Mill. Let’s handle the one we can do something about. The rest is irrelevant. I can’t wait to see DM on the stand.
“The underlying problem with people in the church, and apparently this guy, is a weak ability to look and think for yourself and evaluate data.”
An interesting assessment Anon.
Fundamentalism is at its core – the inability to evaluate data. It only exists in a vacuum created by all but certain data being sucked out, so that there is nothing to compare the rantings to. A single datum lacks dimension, lacks comparison and therefore is difficult to refute.
But Fundamentalism needs something more than just an inability to recognize differences to be effective. It needs fear, threat of loss, some deprivation that acts as a wedge between a being and his sanity.
It is sad and very unfortunate that the Bridge, Scientology itself, is being used as a wedge to create this effect. Do this and “lose your eternity.” Do that, and “you’ll lose your family through disconnection.”
SCN, in becoming a religion, in acting like a religion (in many ways) has inherited the whole-track engrams and implants that most mainstream religions suffer from and frequently dramatize.
Perhaps herein lies an ultimate resolution for what ails SCN – stop acting like a religion and effectively become the applied philosophy it has always been.
Odd
Ha Ha Ha Ha, looks like someone got up on the wrong side of the bed.
I have my enemies standing in line like a free Beyonce rock concert.
This Koolaide yokel is trying to get out of lower conditions for not towing the line for the RTC
The torch light mob is charging the castle with Miscavige cowering in its tower shouting useless orders to his petrified minions.
Good work Mike Rinder,
Wow – this guy is truly desperate to make you stop, Mike. His own certainty in Scientology’s “assured expansion” is so weak and there are so many signs all around him that it’s all falling apart, that he has no choice but to lash out at any convenient target. I guess it didn’t occur to him to channel his energies into going out and doing some body routing or selling some books to new public. If this is representative of the kind of thinking and attitude of the remaining Scientologists, we really don’t have too long to wait for the fall of the cult. The end really is near.
That “weak certainty” I believe is the common denominator with most fundamentalists, whether religious or political. If your reality is based on “what you yourself have observed to be true” then it tends to be quite stable, but if it’s based on a set of beliefs or data that you have been given it will be rather shaky. That’s why the fundamentalist isn’t ever satisfied unless those around them look, act and think the same way they do, because any departure from that undermines their reality. It’s also why they need to separate humanity into two groups – those who share their “truth” and everyone else, with the everyone else being sinners, socialists, infidels, hippies, SPs or what have you, depending on what kind of fundamentalism is being expressed.
Excellent point, Aeolus! +1
Right Aeolus! It’s the difference between as-ising something, COGNITING on a truth and new awareness, and/or, accepting a datum or data without inspection or without any critical thinking. The former is real Scn, that latter is just plain lazy and stupid.
Possibly, but it might just be some poor bastard doing his “Doubt Condition”, and this is what he thinks will be accepted.
“Never attribute to animosity that which can be readily explained by stupidity.”
Mike,
I was sorry to learn that you will be going to hell.
I apparently misunderstood, thinking you had exited.
Ah ha ha ha ha! Laughter!
Mike is doomed!!LOL
What would LRH think?
I know the answer to this;
HCOB 15 Sept.1981 “THE CRIMINAL MIND”
“THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF IS DOING.”
“THE CRIMINAL MIND RELENTLESSLY SEEKS TO DESTROY ANYONE IT IMAGINES MIGHT EXPOSE IT.”
“THE CRIMINAL ONLY SEES OTHERS AS HE SEES HIMSELF.”
“L. Ron Hubbard
Founder”
page 830 Org Exec Course Vol. 1
Actually LRH thought this also. This is not dissing LRH. This is keeping it real folks. This was Paulette Cooper’s experience. Just a few of them. This was way way before DM. This is the blueprint for DM. This is Ron. The rhetoric of decency and is easy with words.
But actions reveal something different from the righteous but inauthentic words on an OEC Vol.
“I got used to telephone death threats, harassing calls — and lawsuits.
I was followed, and people seemed to be trying to gain access to my apartment. Then, in the basement of my small building, I discovered alligator clips on my phone wires likely the remnants of a phone tap.
Next, my cousin who was also short and slim like me– was in my apartment alone when a man arrived with a flower delivery. When she opened the door, the intruder pulled a gun out of the flowers and put it to her temple. Fortunately, the gun jammed, misfired or was empty. The man then began to choke her, and when she pulled away and screamed, he ran off. The police said afterward that they were mystified, because there appeared to be no motive for the attack.”
Paulette Cooper
To get more of this type of indecency that happened to her go to:
http://www.paulettecooper.com/scandal1.htm
I know it is not easy to accept, but Ron did the same and worse. What Mike is getting is simply a nasty email by a poor deluded true believer. What Cooper got was actual threats to her life: orchestrated by Ron himself when he was in control of the GO.
It is not easy to confront. But it is the truth.
Thank you. This is very true. And these facts are exactly why I despised, even while in the church, the painting of LRH being a perfect man leading a flawless life.
It makes Scientologists believe in a man, not technology. It disables people to think for themselves and only play a lifelong game of “follow the leader” and “if it’s written, it’s always true.”
Whether it be COB, LRH or your own mother, just because you respect the person, doesn’t make what they say true. And just because you may not like them, doesn’t make what they say false.
I dislike Hitler, but I still drive his freeways on the way to work everyday instead of taking backroads. Because I find the technology workable regardless of who invented it.
LRH actually had the Guardian’s office send someone with a gun to kill Paulette Cooper? That is what’s implied.
Even LRH making death threats seems to be a stretch.
LRH threatening a law suit is credible, but I doubt he made death threats.
I’d love to hear some evidence of that.
Yeah, I dont think there is any evidence of that.
Though if you read those two issues I quoted from in the affidavit I filed in the Rathbun case you would certainly see how someone could interpret those issues to do something like that or the phony bomb threat.
My take it was an empty gun. The revelations of Operation Freakout include worse tactics against this women. It is on the net if you are interested.
Dealing with internal and external dissent is eerily chronicled in Ron’s fantasy writing below. It is also eerily an instruction manuel for the Hole, RPF etc.
From the Brain Washing manuel from Beria/Ron
“It is not enough for the State to have goals. These goals, once put forward, depend for their completion upon loyalty and obedience of the workers. These engaged for the most part in hard labors, have little time for idle speculation, which is good.”
…………. Hypnosis is induced by acute fear. They discovered it could also be induced by shock of an emotional nature, and also by extreme privation as well as BLOWS….. (my caps)”
Belief is engendered by a certain amount of fear and terror from an authoritative level, and this will be followed by obedience.
The body is less able to resist a stimulus if it has insufficient food and is weary…….. Refusal to let them sleep over many days, denying them adequate food, then brings about an optimum state for the receipt of a stimulus.
DEGRADATION AND CONQUEST ARE COMPANIONS.
( my caps)
By lowering the endurance of a person……. and by degradation and defamation, it is possible to induce, thus, a state of shock which will receive adequetly any command.
Any orgaization which has the spirit and courage to display inhumanity, savageness, brutality, and a compromising lack of humanity, ( sound like Bolivar?) will obey. Such a use of force is, itself, the essential ingredience for greatness…..”
THIS IS DM’s MODUS OPORENDI. THIS IS HOW RON THOUGHT. THIS WAS HIS METHOD!
http://bit.ly/19UiFmM
“I am not interested in wog morality. I am only interested in getting the show on the road and keeping it there…
However, if anyone is getting industrious trying to enturbulate or stop Scientology or its activities, I can make Captain Bligh look like a Sunday school teacher. There is probably no limit on what I would do to safeguard man’s only road to freedom…”
It’s too clean for DM, could this be KAlley.? Sounds like her rant.
I wouldn’t worry Mike, if the whole track really existed (I do believe in reincarnation) then how come every one has to relearn scientologoly? And where is LRH?