This guy is assuming his rightful place alongside other notables in the Wacky Hall of Shame. Right up there with David Wilson and Mike Smith.
He is taking a quote from the “Pledge to Mankind” that was signed at the “founding” of the IAS and attributing it to Hubbard.
What an idiot.
That fancy sounding document was written by Lyman Spurlock. Apparently Colin Davie suffers the same delusion so many others do. L. Ron Hubbard had no idea the IAS ever existed. It was created without his knowledge and as far as I know, to his dying day he was unaware of it. Remember, the IAS was not a fundraising vehicle in the early days. It was created based on a bright idea from a Danish lawyer, Jakob Arrevaad, following a principle of “organization” recognized in Europe. It’s purpose was to make a repository of funds OUTSIDE any control of the IRS. Initially the funds from SERVICES in Europe were channeled to it so as not to bring them into the US. It was not a fundraising entity it was a funds storage and protection entity. And the whole PR “signing of the pledge” was just that. PR to give this legitimacy – as if it really was money that was NOT under control of the church but instead belonged to “the members.” That lie is perpetrated to this day. It is the fundamental lie upon which all other lies about the IAS are premised.
Colin then proceeds with the usual litany of horrors that the IAS is supposedly “handling.” What a sick joke this is. Not a single shred of evidence exists that anything is being done about any of these problems — especially not the first two — in fact, scientology ADDS to the problem of human trafficking and slavery with people in the Sea Org, particularly those brought to the US on R1 visas. No doubt all these things are problems, though I doubt that employee theft accounts for 33% of business bankruptcies??) and it would be wonderful if someone did something effective about them.
That sure as hell isn’t the IAS.
And then comes the usual “If it isnt uncomfortable, it isn’t scientology” pitch to “step up to the plate” and fork over now.
With a “commendation” to be handed out provided you give enough.
From: Colin Davie
Sent: 15 December 2015
To:
Subject: LRH Quote for you from Colin – Pledge to Mankind and IAS 2015
Dear Alyson,
“Time and again, throughout the troubled history of civilization on this planet, new ideas, new religions and constructive thought have met with violent opposition. Such attacks come from those who would preserve the status quo and particularly from those who seek to preserve and enhance their position through the domination, subjugation and even destruction of others. For this reason new religions have been born in blood at the cost of great sacrifice and suffering by adherents. It is only through a unity of purpose and unswerving commitment by a dedicated group that new ideas and new religions survive and expand.
Scientology has been in existence now for some thirty-four years. During that time it has suffered all manner of attacks from the forces of oppression in various countries. Yet Scientology has survived and expanded because of the dedication of its members and because it is a force for goodness and freedom which is easily recognized by men of goodwill; despite the vicious lies which are spawned by those who would enslave mankind and which are carried out by the media.” LRH The Pledge to Mankind circa 1984
Here are some quick facts about world affairs:
- There are an estimated 30 million people enslaved internationally.
- Human trafficking generates annual profits of over $32 billion.
- 40 million children under fifteen are abused yearly.
- There are an estimated 9 million people in prisons internationally.
- Employee theft causes 33% of business bankruptcies.
- In the U.S. someone dies from a drug overdose every 19 minutes.
- 243 million people used illicit drugs in the last year.
- Since 2009, the number of illegal drugs has increased by 200.
Reference IAS News Watch Issues # 42,43 & 50
Your support is needed to combat these societal ruins and we are the only true group that has the technology to do so.
As a member of the IAS your donations are the energy which enables us to get these solutions out there.
Now is the time for all Scientologists to support the IAS in achieving its fourth dynamic goals.
I’m urging you to make a sizable donation to the IAS and let me know that you have done it so I can appropriately acknowledge and commend you for this.
You can make the donation by logging onto www.iasmembership.org and fill out the form.
Remember to email me back with what you have donated so that I can prepare your commendation.
Thank you for stepping up to the plate and making a difference.
I also look forward to hearing any wins you are having in your area with applying Dianetics and Scientology.
A Scientologist that gets sick or in some sort of sad situation and has a member card or something that states they are a member should ask the IAS for help. If they refuse they should sue under the understanding the billions the IAS existence is for Scientologists in trouble or in need. Thus in turn would expose the lie and then david miscavage can be arrested for tax evasion,fraud,money laundering. LRH did not creat the IAS therefore the sole blame is on Dave!!!
Want I want to know are what are these 200 NEW illegal drugs? What am I missing out on now? New weed strains? I had no idea they’d come up with so many new drugs to make illegal/ Maybe he’s talking about synthetic weed variations – spice?
Laughter!
They may be including experimental pharmaceuticals which haven’t passed FDA approval in the testing process or previously approved drugs about which additional adverse effects have been discovered, thus losing FDA approval. Or they may have just invented the whole thing, as per usual.
Talk about getting back to basics. Thank you for the real historical I.A.S. background and purpose.
On a subscribers only Objectivists board I posted a comment:
As I am presently taking anti-seizure medication I would be more concerned about the opposition to”Pyschs” by the Church of Scientology than Christian interference with medicine.
Another member replied:
Since the Scientologists actually purchased a very large amount of video editing equipment from my last employer I had the experience of being inside and working with some of the higher ups at Golden Era studios inside the Gold Base Scientology HQ.
Your fears are completely well founded. They literally had legions of uniformed “sea-org” young people editing propaganda films all day for worldwide multi-language distribution. Some claimed to had not left the compound in 30 years. The actual editing suites would make the teams at 30-rock and LDS cinema studios jealous. That they hold sway in Hollywood and influence in many major cities has always been a shock to me.
Oh and the e-meters, cats and special golden bathroom! What a trip when my co-worker accidentally used the special golden bathroom, nearly ruined the business!
In the grand scheme of things I would think socialized medicine would be the largest threat though.
“Some claimed to have not left the compound in 30 years”
Christ, what a nightmare. To think that is “normal” to them is so incredibly sad.
Cats and golden bathrooms?? Now this I have to hear!
“Employee theft causes 33% of business bankruptcies.”
Well, if you include the cases of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology getting its claws into a business and the senior members of that business starting donating to the IAS, then maybe they’re on to something? Thus, the themes of yesterday’s RB and today’s BS are linked.
Dave,
Organizational update:
Friday night on East Colorado Boulevard in Pasadena was the usual buzz; but just around the corner at South Raymond Avenue your organization was in its usual condition of ‘the lights are on but nobody is home’. There wasn’t even anyone at the reception desk.
Your next steps in adopting the IDLE ‘christian science reading room’ business model is to reduce business hours to ONE hour per day and to never even bother turning the lights on.
What is amazing here is that all this fund raising is designed to make a better world through Ideal Orgs & Missions. Yet, when you go into an Ideal Org or Mission you do not get any kind of service you may have expected that brought you there in the first place and the staff will ARC break with you on it afterwards. Is that better people? Is that really helping Mankind? 🙂
TFB, I grew up in Pasadena in the San Rafael Hills on the west side. Let me know if you’d like to hook up and drop flyers around the Morgue. It’s a lot of fun and we can have lunch too!
this letter is the ultimate in hypocrisy, because no matter how much they trumpet the ills if the world (with very questionable statistics that should make a 5th grader raise an eyebrow) and state how much scientology is “helping”, there is never any evidence that they actually do anything but make their members lives miserable.
one of my favorite parts of Leah Remini’s book was when she was asking for a picture of a volunteer minister “handing someone a fucking bottle of water” to prove that her money was going to help Hurricane Katrina victims.
I truly hope that this letter makes some people think about whether or not any of the promised solutions ever materialize. for chrissakes, the “church” has been around for over 50 years, and has been beating its members up for money for at least 25 of them… shouldn’t they have been able to overcome at least one of these problems by now? if they’re the “only true group who has the technology to do so?” you’d think they could at least have fixed employee theft by now…
Sashie: My bet is that since there are no attributions for any of the supposed stats, they were all made up on the spot.
I laughed out loud when I read “There are an estimated 30 million people enslaved internationally.” I’m sure they counted the couple thousands sea org members too, right?
One will always know what crimes Scientology, Inc. is hiding through their propaganda they feed to the robotic clubbed seals that believe everything they are told.
It is amazing to see the irony from this “church”
After getting abused, lied to and betrayed Scientology – most of us shudder at the word “church” and “help”
Very good, hit ’em up for more dough. They can’t come out and say they don’t care about humanity and the world. That wouldn’t sound very scientological of them, would it? Play on their guilt, their fear, their vanity, it doesn’t matter, it’s all good. Make them cough it up like they did yesterday and the day before. And the day before that. And the day before that one too! Make implicit threats then make those threats explicit. Sec checks, declares, disconnection, corny over-the-top speeches, lies nobody believes anymore…at least some of those folks are getting so they can’t stand you or the sound of your name. Prepare yourself, rebellion is intrinsic to human nature, check out the history of man. I’m talking about the REAL history.
What I just wrote to the IAS:
To whom it may concern:
Please name and substantiate one benefit to mankind your organization has accomplished. And don’t tell me you are helping people all over the world, because you are not. All I can find that you have done and still do, is demand and collect more money from your parishoners until they are bankrupt. Nothing can be found reported anywhere except wild generalities by your own fundraisers.
Why not open your books for inspection about all these so-called causes you support? Why all the secrecy?
Thanks, Rand McNally
Love it!
I have said this for years, lets see the financial books.
Detailed accounts of where all the money goes.
How is every dollar spent, lets see pie charts
and who benefits?.
One of the things that drives me insane about the cult is the amount of effort and word diarrhea put into quoting “Source”, but no effort whatsoever put into quoting anything that didn’t come from the pen of Hubbard. Colin throws out a bunch of figures, and to provide them with “legitimacy”, cites a “source”: an IAS newsletter. So, in other words, the IAS is using the IAS for “proof” of a “problem” (and, yes, I’m using a lot of quotation marks, totally justified in this instance, I believe). The logical fallacies are running as fast and furious as Vin Diesel.
If they really wanted to point out these problems, how about getting actual figures from the experts whose job it is to come up with them? The United Nations, for one. They keep track of human trafficking numbers and prison populations. The US Department of Commerce should have the business numbers at hand. Their figures would have a lot more gravitas. But, no, the IAS knows everything, and it has to be admitted that they know their audience. The sheeple have been conditioned to believe every single wet fart that comes out of the IAS as incontrovertible fact.
It’s a vicious circle. The IAS puts out numbers that show a “problem” to get more money to the IAS so they can put out more numbers that show a “problem” so that they can get more money…etc. Statpush did a magnificent job putting this data into context, so I won’t go into that. But abuse of numbers is really a sore point with me. I was taught that data is sacrosanct, and the penalties for falsification and abuse are severe. With the cult, it’s just another thing to be put on the list of why I loathe them so much.
If the IAS claims of making things better
were at all credible numerous NGO’s
who keep track of these statistics would
promote the IAS by independent
and impartial peer reviews.
But not being the case it’s
David Miscavige making up statistics
out of thin air and self funded promotions.
A sizable donation, huh? Well, as the world knows, us Scots do tend to be a wee cheap. But, if it’s going to save all of mankind, I’ll chip in 15….no, 13 cents. And believe, for a Scotsman, that’s a King’s ransom….
OSD … I’ve worked in Scotland and it’s not being cheap … it is “Scots Economy.” They are a smartly frugal folk and I don ‘t think you will find as many gullible Scots as you will find gullible Americans.
Reminds me of my Uncle Frugal MacDoogle! What a man he was! You’ve head the line, “You can’t squeeze blood out of turnip?” Well, he could….
Arrrrgggg, tis good to be a Celt!
Yes, 33% of WISE businesses go bankrupt due to employee theft when one partner steals company assets to pay for a higher status.
The other 67% fail to reach full potential due to admin tech.
Laughter! Nice post! True too!
Very interesting. Thank you for the insight.
Off topic. The other day I woke up after a nightmare. In that, I was given back all of my belongings and monies not used in advance payment for scientology services. It was a nightmare because I have been free from the NET for more than twenty years, in part thanks to my critical thinker wife…
The IAS is a money scam .
The IAS itself, is a scam. Of global proportions….
I commented above about NGO’s
who keep track of who does what
and true statistics. IAS is not there.
I am shocked & outraged! I mean, i just sent the IAS 13 cents! That’s it! No more Mr Nice Guy. The most they’ll be getting in the future is 9 cents!
David Miscavige just ordered the Sea Org
“For every meal you DON’T Eat I pay you 25 cents”
“For every meal you Do Eat You pay me 25 cents”
Have you heard the one about the MBA who managed to make a mountain out of the molehill known as scientology?”
One of these things is not like the other…. employee theft and bankruptcy ?
What about the poverty, hopelessness, illness and disability that force people into these problems? Want to actually do something instead of paying thousands to ship and set up your tents so you can film another pat on the back gala? Use the tent for shelter and give the money to feed those needy people you walk/drive/fly by every day on the way to something better.
Sorry but this letter made me very angry.
And feel free to include sea org, staff, and families in the list to be helped.
“40 million children under fifteen are abused yearly.
There are an estimated 9 million people in prisons internationally.”
So do those statistics include RPF inmates or what?
Whenever Scn starts throwing around numbers I raise an eyebrow, not only because of their propensity to lie, but because they are often stated with no context.
(Note: this is not to make light of these situations or to downplay them)
For example:
World Population: 7,400,000,000 (1,900,000,000 are children)
USA Population: 321,442,019
* 30 million people enslaved, represents 0.4% of the world population
* 40 million children under fifteen are abused. This figure is suspicious since most governments will admit there is no easy way to calculate this number.
* 9 million people in prisons, represents 0.1% of the world population
* 243 million people used illicit drugs 3% of the world population
In the US, someone dies from a drug overdose every 19 minutes. 76 people/day or 27,663/year, which represents 0.008% of the US population
In the US there are 2,596,993 deaths per year, drug overdose accounts for 1%
2x more die from the flu
4.7x more die from accidents
22x more die from heart disease
If the church was serious about the drug situation (usage, overdose and arrests), they would consult professionals who’ve made it their life’s work. Many would tell them drugs should be decriminalized. Instead they rely on LRH who did “research” and came up with the ultimate solutions; problem is, his solutions have never been proven to solve the problem.
Finally, on the subject of bankruptcy (a topic most familiar with the church)
Top 5 reasons for bankruptcy
1) Medical Expenses
2) Job Loss
3) Poor/Excess Use of Credit
4) Divorce/Separation
5) Unexpected Expenses
Church, through its actions, have contributed to at least 4 of these factors.
During the greatest financial crisis we ever faced, banks and politicians pulled off the biggest heist in history – the Church of Scientology didn’t say a word – not a word.
Scientology is a pretend church. They pretend to be concerned about society and its problems, because that is what church’s are supposed to do. They do it so they “appear” to be religious, not because they genuinely care.
These topics are championed because they are buttons, that when pressed will result in the largest donation. Period.
Facts, unfortunately are lost in the misty fog of belief and obfuscation which has become the modus operandi of the IAS and the vast majority of corporate $cientologists.
Swirling around in that fog is the underlying mantra, “give me your money, give me more of your money, give me ALL of your money.
You are SO right on the money! Scientology is now Corn of the COB’s personal Piggy Back. Status is the new case gain. Handling over all of your money until you have to declare bankruptcy is the EXPECTED THING TO DO.
Great post!
Actually the church did say something about the finical crisis. Pretty sure DM said it was manufactured by the banks to hurt Scientology by hurting Scientologists. Since the Finical Crisis had huge impact on many bubblers who had bought income properties while creaking their credit to the MAX.
Excellent post, Statpush.
Some of those stats were a little off…hope it wasn’t presumptuous of me to fix them..
*There are an estimated 5,000 Sea Org members enslaved internationally.
*Our human trafficking generates annual savings of millions in labor costs.
*Thousands of children under fifteen are abused yearly.
*There are hundreds of people in our prisons internationally.
*Gestapo tactics used against our members caused countless business bankruptcies.
*In our Narconon program, someone dies from a drug overdose every 19 months, give or take…
*Since its peak in 1990, the membership of Scientolgy has decreased exponentially.
“Scientology has survived and expanded despite the vicious lies which are spawned by those who would enslave mankind and which are carried out by Dear Leader and his glazed-eyed minions.”
Well done, pretty much says it all.
This dribble is just that, ‘ IAS dribble.’
For me this is just another example of the cycle of a scientologist. From the keen, oh, yeah, I’ll help with that, through to the dismal realisation you’ve been duped. I’m sure if I put some effort in I could come up with a series of steps a person goes through from “finding scientology to utter contempt of the organisation and its lies,” but I just can’t be bothered anymore to inspect so closely. I think the tax man of North Korea is a more legit and honest type of entity than the IAS by a long way.
What we witness in articles like this is just a step on the scale for some poor dupe. His/her time will come like the rest of us when the walls come crashing down and the impossible amount of money parted with in response to being lied to wafts in, at first like a niggling sensation then it develops into a full blown nightmare which takes your breath away. Scientology is a scam, hard pill to sallow for some but the evidence is overwhelming. As sure as the tide comes in twice a day, the IAS does nothing with your money except steal it or use to extract/steal even more money.
” I’m urging you to make a sizable donation to the IAS and let me know that you have done it so I can appropriately acknowledge and commend you for this.”
……………which I’m sure you will do right after you have sent in your FSM selection slip and banked your illicitly received ten percent Colin! Get a real job and stop being a whore you dirt bag!
That’s an insult to all Whores and Dirt bags everywhere, Coop. But, I do like your way words!
” Since 2009, the number of illegal drugs has increased by 200″
So proof, from Scientology, that Scientology has not helped.
(joking) Making public statements on wide open comm lines that “scientology does not work” is a suppressive act. Please turn yourself in to your nearest Cherch of Scientology with a written report detailing all of your other crimes. Also include in your report the names of anyone you may know (or suspect) of having the same thoughts. be prepared to do everything possible to strike and blow to any enemies of the church (who we deem worthy of attack) and also be prepared to disband or obliterate the group you are currently defending before even entertaining the idea of doing A to E. (You WILL be doing A to E) This means disbanding the ENTIRE Independent Scientology field as well as disseminating to Alex Gibney and getting him to cognite on Scientology. START.
I just realized that in the few months I have been out I have become more content and happier, and one of the reasons for this is because while in, all you ever hear or read about is these “horrible conditions” outside of the safety of the group that is “the only hope for mankind”. What a load of crap, but a brilliant way to keep people from wanting to leave. I was fed this BS for 25 years as a public and was “picking off” people close to me one by one because of the paranoia caused by this dramatic control method. I am now re-evaluating my actions based on my own free thinking, reasoning, and education and re-connecting with some that were actually not trying to kill me, like I was led to believe.
Good for you, Jennifer! Congratulations on being courageous enough to reevaluate past decisions – hard for anyone, but especially if you’re just leaving the Co$.
Way to go, Jennifer! Woo Hoo!!! You now have back what was taken from you when you first joined, your life! Isn’t life great now? When I left staff, it was one of THE happiest days of my life! From this point on, your life will continue to get better and better. Yeah, yeah, I know, I’m just an SP…but I just so love being one! Congrats, Jennifer!
Thank you OSD! I am starting to build my life again and yes, it is great. I was amazed at how supportive the people in my life were that I had been so arrogant to. They are just so glad to have me back! I love your sense of humour and you, along with all the commenters, have been very instrumental in me regaining my confidence. I think I used to be funny and I’m hoping to see that again soon. LOL
Your story/comments encapsulates what makes this blog a worthwhile investment of time and effort. If just one person like you is helped a year, it is repayment enough.
Mike, please know that your blog has been my sanity and I’m so grateful that you keep it going. If it had not been here I would have been very confused and vulnerable. Instead I am informed and supported. Magnitude of thanks!!!!
Hi Jennifer,A great heartfelt post. Mike has helped so many of us,definitely moi too.As one in her getting toward the twilight years, I really like to read what it was like for those after 1980 or so, who escaped. Those that endured dm and escaped.I sometimes need to tell myself dm has been in charge for 30 is it? years now. The ship cos is listing so badly pretty soon she will take on too much water and make her exit. Meanwhile dm will flee in the dark of night…or at least I feel that as of now. With mucho $.
Anyway I look forward to your posts. For me all the years out and I am now 42 years from when I joined Sea Org, all the years out are learning experiences for me. Sometimes I still get little shards of cos that rise to the surface, but that is all worth it because I am Free! Love to you, Ann
Hi there Ann: I feel like I know you. 🙂 When I first found this blog I felt like I just came out of a war zone and your loving posts made me feel like there was hope that I would feel something again that resembled love and compassion. I’m happy to report that it is returning to me now and many good things have come into my path. I am a singer/musician and I hadn’t had interest in it for a few years, which was big since I had done it professionally at one time. I am now in a band again and doing what I love!
Hi Jennifer, You go girl! I am cheering( no hip hip hoorays though smile) you are doing great. I love books and I love to write so perhaps you will get back to writing songs or music too.Anytime you want to post anything that you want to share, I’m here.I feel like I know you too and it is so good that we can be ourselves now without always thinking of the world through the lens of Scientology.Love, Ann.
Mike, you rock. Seriously.
It’s quite something to see someone like Jennifer credit this blog and its commenters for her courage to leave the cult and find the confidence that was stolen from her. It’s makes me a bit teary to see someone come outta the fog of $cientology and join the real world again. I’m a never-in, but can only imagine the strength it takes to leave CO$ and start a new life while possibly risking harassment, disconnection and threats from the “church”.
Jennifer — I’m so happy for you. May your new life be full of happiness and real freedom.
Hi KatherineINCali, Good to meet you. I love reading all posts & since my hubby is a never in of 34 years, sometimes I have to translate for him.Smile. You made a really good point about coming out of the fog of Scientology. A very apt observation, and that fog can come and go for years until one( meaning me) decides to let it go!Love, Ann
Ann,
Thanks for your reply. I’ve read many of your comments here. You are a genuinely kind person. Glad you’re out and living a happy life! That’s the best revenge.
Hi KatherineINCali, Thank you so much for your lovely post.In Sea Org years I did not receive half the kindness I was promised prior to signing that contract.I do try and make up for that now.I will enjoy your posts as well.Love, Ann
Hi KatherineINCali: I get teary just reading the replies to my story! Thank you for your kind words. I was a public for 25 years and was about to join staff. It was when I was sent for training in LA that I found out how much of a sick game this whole thing was. Once I was there “I” started disappearing. I could actually feel my life going away. I realized that this tech was not to be used to improve my life, but to give it up for the “cause”. I didn’t get very far with training before I was completely depressed. I was sent out there on a one way ticket and had to find my way home. It took many weeks. I will never forget it but I’m so glad I could “see” the “not so obvious”. Thank you for your interest. 🙂
“Once I was there “I” started disappearing. I could actually feel my life going away. I realized that this tech was not to be used to improve my life, but to give it up for the “cause”.” What a powerfully true statement, Jennifer. I’m so glad you made it out. I’m so glad that your “I” is returning. And Mike, THANK YOU for this blog because you are saving lives and souls out there, mine included. Good luck to you Jennifer!
Hi Jennifer, It is a pleasure to read your post and I am very happy you are out! Even for me years and years later it can be hard to reconcile how I jumped into feet first & believed Ron’s World to the utmost. I am so much calmer about life now than I ever was in. When you are hunted you tend to look over your shoulder all the time, as when I was watched a lot towards the end of my time inThe Sea Org.Love, Ann.
Jennifer, so glad to hear that you are no longer in the group and have started re-evaluating for yourself those things which you were told to believe. Mike Rinder’s blog here is a great source of information. I also recommend reading Jefferson Hawkins book: “Counterfeit Dreams” and watching the YouTube videos made by Chris Shelton. There are many other helpful resources, books, blogs and videos as well, but these are particularly good, especially for someone just coming out of the group. Enjoy life! 🙂 – T.J.
Thank you T.J. Actually, I did read Counterfeit Dreams along with his other 2 books, Chris Shelton’ s video blog and other resources and I learned about All of them here, on Mike’s blog. I am only as far along as I am so soon because of all of the information that was available through the writings and videos of very courageous ex members and commenters like you who make suggestions. I was very hungry for the truth after all the deception on the inside and I’m so grateful to everyone!
Fast Flow Student. LOL
Jennifer, you just perfectly described the CoS as a Merchant of Chaos, a creator of a “dangerous environment” in minds of believers. Disconnecting from them brings relief.
I did not make that connection until reading your comment! How do you like THAT twist?! Love it! Thank you iamvalkov!
Well said, I quit a couple of years ago and it took till last year to realize it was the best thing i’ve ever done. At first I was worried I was going to miss out on my “spiritual eternity” but came to see that this is just another lie to keep you in the fold.
Hi Gimpy, I can relate to your post.I too had a period I went through when I was planning my exit from the Sea Org. One thing I wrestled with and was in real fear of losing , my spiritual eternity with Ron.I look on this now and see by signing the SO contract, I had already given over my own spiritual eternity to Ron.And I am even more thankful to have gotten out when I did.This cult has certainly taken a lot of good people who truly believed and told us hey fool’s gold it sparkled so prettily and you took the bait.Like those past and future OT levels,Laughter,but the sad thing is there are still those who will pay for the privilege of acquiring absolutely nothing.Jut OT dust around their feet.And having to listen or read dm’s latest…Love, Ann
“spiritual eternity” and “my eternity” were not terms tossed about in the 1970s. Nobody I knew even considered scn a religion. Does current CoS actually want participants to believe they are religious and regard themselves as parishioners?
Yes, part of the re-release of the books and materials was to change the words refering to scn as a science to imply that it is a religion. The leaders use church terms far more often as well. Personally I found it very off putting, I liked the fact that it was not much like a religion and seemed quite scientific.
Gimpy – Thanks for the info. “when you thought it couldn’t get worse” lol
“My religion” was an inside joke to defend ourselves from the IRS and other mean nasty suppressives.
Hi Richard D, Well I certainly tossed both terms around in the 70s & 60s too. Plus I wrote SO1 line very early in my SO days extremely upset because how was I going to find eternity with Ron & the SO after he was gone? The answer was the farther up the bridge you go the more you will know about this matter.Laughter! You may have gathered I really walk my own path! Love, Ann.
Welcome to the growing bunch of apostates Jennifer. We have a sweeping range of people here, from the timid to the extreme, hey OSD? Your thoughts are most welcome. especially since you are recently out. There is a certain fascination as to what it’s actually like inside the bubble these days. We see their electronic messages often and are bewildered by the lies and hype. Hope you can shine some light into those dark recesses of the corporate scientologist’s world.
Cheers!
Sounds like the “OUT” cognition.
“…OUT cognition….”
I like that!
And in this LRH quote: ‘from those who would preserve the status quo and particularly from those who seek to preserve and enhance their position through the domination” it seems it is describing the mechanism scientology itself used to preserve a status quo of the members as the ‘only ones capable to do something’ while, at the same time, deceitfully dominated the parishioners, public and staff alike.
And all disguised by the lies you just presented us with Mike. Thank you
I love the sizable donation. Every other charity in the world ask for “your help” or “a pledge” they have to put an adjective infront to make sure you dont give a hundred bucks. Which most xharities would be grateful for. I wonder if Dave will ever just run off with the money one day
Well, Dave, I did, in fact, give a sizable donation to the IAS. Now, admittedly, it was a Scottish donation which is quite different from regular donations. But, it was still a donation. You can see it at the top of of the poster list. And…I’m proud that I could donate so much…..
Moron comes to mind. Applies to both the askers and the givers in this case.
“Geniuses don’t become geniuses until they find the right moron to compare themselves to.”
― James McGregor
And
All morons hate it when you call them a moron.
J. D. Salinger
I guess that means David Miscavige is a moron.
You guess? YOU GUESS??? Well, as long as you’re just “guessing” about it, you won’t mind if I bitch slap you, right?
OUCH!
I’m sorry that hurt, Potpie, but if you “guess” that the dwarf is moron one more time, I’ll be showing up at your front door! Make sure you have plenty of good red wine as I’ll be settling in to have a long talk with you.
Careful OSD, you are slipping into the DM valence.
What…DM stands for Dumb Motherfucker Valance? Already been there and done that…
Yeah, but did you ENJOY it?
“There are an estimated 9 million people in prisons internationally”.
My guess is a vast majority of those people belong in prison.
And it is also my guess that the IAS could give a crap about the ones that don’t.
I would also venture to say that 33% of the companies that try to use the admin tech
go bankrupt.
So 243 million people in the world used illicit drugs last year…..this may sound silly but that doesn’t sound too bad compared to the 7 billion in the world. Maybe they were testing the 200 new illegal drugs.
I make fun but really those facts are generalities that Colin cannot confirm nor does he care to.
Colin if full of shit and the IAS is nothing more than a criminal organization. I mean really the only thing in all of the above that I see is LRH would be the monumental overt that the IAS is.
You know you are talking to a real fool, when you talk sense to him and he calls you a fool.