This is the state of the Phoenix “ideal” org.
The have put out a “Big announcement.” Might even be epic. Milestone. Unprecedented.
TWO people “graduated” something this week. Likely they finished reading a book.
Yes, TWO.
And it is such big news they sent out a promotional piece for it. Now THAT’S massive international, straight up and vertical, 63X expansion.
…and Twin Cities
Just in case anyone still had doubts that perhaps Phoenix was just out of step with the rest of the straight up and vertical ideal org expansion, there is this from Twin Cities.
Here is an “ideal” org that has so few graduates of anything they only conduct a “weekly graduation” every QUARTER!
Like every other “ideal org” — they are nowhere close to “St Hill size” when the org is theoretically viable. Now that is quite a return on a $15 or $20 million investment.
That should become a one grad’n per year the next time: They are just calculating their 63x expansion in reverse. nAnd since it’s so brillant, the grad’n could be the one oçf rge one parrt time staff coming every friday night to check is any student or pc came that week to read one book.
My best congrats to super-CO-WWide david.Clap clap, clap.
FEMA region V graduation! Lol
What is so horrific for me is that these buildings, now in the estate of the cherch, were not purchased by the cherch but by the koolaiders! The koolaiders have voluntarily (perhaps not so voluntarily?) dug deep in their pockets and funded this gigantic scam and their names are nowhere to be found on the Deeds of Sale.
Amazing, the understatement of the century.
It seems to me as though this little fact is often forgotten in the bigger scheme of things.
I suppose what is still even more unbelievable is that these same koolaiders, seeing their buildings empty and/or going bankrupt, appear to think nothing of it!
Dawn,
What you’ve pointed out was one of the first questions I asked at an early Ideal Morgue fundraiser: “Whose name will be on the deed to our new building?”.
By way of answer, blank stares from the OT gals running the shindig.
I wasn’t being a smart-ass, I was clueless at the time, and it seemed a reasonable question and I was curious so with ARC, I repeated the question.
This time I got blank stares accompanied by shrugs.
I thought this was odd and so I said, (gently, gently), “You mean that you’re responsible for buying us a building but you don’t know who the owner of this building is going to be?”
With another shoulder shrug one of OTs replied, “We just go with the flow”.
PS: After I got that answer I thanked them politely and walked away even more confused. How could my org’s OT Committee honchos be charged with raising MILLIONS of dollars for a building and not be able to furnish such basic information? It was incredible to me. I had trouble “thinking with it” to use some Scientologese. This was one of the major unanswered questions which greased my slide out of there.
Dave,
Noose Update:
Greta has been given the hook; she is out.
And, to mix metaphors, the wrecking ball is aimed at you.
Threefeetback, you said “Greta has been given the hook; she is out.” Are you speaking of Greta Van Susterin, the TV news anchor? Did she leave Scn?
This is off topic but I had an idea. The annual IAS event is coming up, the holidays will be upon us before we know it, and in the spirit of the season I propose that we hold a ShermanSpeak Contest here on this blog. We could agree on a word minimum and of necessity a word maximum, set a deadline for submission, and open it to everyone, all the blogs. Mike and/or RB or some appointed person by them could be the judge(s). I think it would be fun. Or maybe I’m just out of my mind and need a vacation 🙂
Sounds like fun to me.
I am pretty sure I can enlist the assistance of Dan Koon to help judge. He has a lot of experience with Shermanspeak.
Minimum 500 words, maximum 1000?
This is a great idea! Should we include a topic?
How about “scientology and the world today”?
Good topic.Dan Koon sounds fine.500 to 1000 words is ok.Will participate for sure and am anxious to read all the submissions.sounds like fun.
I like the idea of a contest, but the poor sap who has to read all those Shermanspeak entries to the contest will have a splitting headache, will be cross-eyed, and probably will want to slit his wrists after only a couple hours of reading the Shermanspeak. What a punishment!
And can second place go to whoever used the biggest word in their writing? I may cheat and go borrow a word or two off Marty’s blog so as to garner second place.
Cindy, right you are! That’s why I suggested first prize automatically should go to the judge! Mike indicated it could probably be Dan Koon! Well, we’ll have to do something special, that’s for sure.
Love it!
An epic contest the likes of which, by which way and heretofore I mean to say, has never been equalled in this sector of galaxy!
Sounds like a great idea 😀
I’m so jazzed. 500 min/1000 max, Dan Koon to judge; perfect, “Scientology And The World Today”, perfect, and now all we need is a target for submissions and to promote this thing around and get lots of entries. Oh, and the prizes – 1st, 2nd, etc. Perhaps 1st prize should automatically go to Dan for reading all of it 🙂
And, yes, Gus, as you have heretofore and so aptly stated, this will be epic, and no, never at any time has such a contest been held in this sector of the galaxy, nor, for that matter, in the history of this universe, or of any universe…OK, I’ll stop 🙂
OK. Deadline shall be 1 October and winners and prizes will be announced on whatever day they hold the IAS event in the UK. It’s a month away and they haven’t decided yet (depends on availability for fittings at John Lobb or something…) — but it will be sometime in October.
Got it on the target and everything else 🙂 Sounds like a plan.
You are entering dangerous territory with this game. Every time I try to figure out what Sherman is thinking when he writes what he does, I always end up having to submit myself to at least two intensives of self auditing just to relieve the pressure on my prefrontal cortex.
COB is easy to figure out. He’s just another guy who’s gone nuts.
Sherman, on the other hand, is quite an enigma. Trying to figure him out always leaves me with the unanswered questions:
Does he really believe that what he’s saying, makes sense?
Is he just applying the old adage, “If you cant dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullsh*t”.
Is he secretly playing COB by getting him to repeat nonsensical verbiage with the deliberate intent to make COB look like a blathering idiot? (I keep wondering about this one)
Is he just another guy who’s gone nuts?
Reading Sherman’s stuff is maddening enough. Attempting to imitate his inimitable style exposes one to experiencing a type of PTSness for which no remedy has been written up, yet.
My best advice for anyone attempting to enter Sherman’s world is to brace yourself with your favorite therapeutic beverage before venturing into that dissonant realm of cannabis smoke and broken mirrors.
Epic!!!!!
RB, your comment was thought provoking and funny at the same time.
Forewarned is forearmed. I hear you!
As re your questions, its my hunch that Sherman rolls his eyes while he rolls out his schlock.
But then who knows, maybe the cheese really did slip off his cracker long ago.
And, look, if we could as a group afford it, 2 intensives of auditing would be the perfect first prize for this contest!
Seriously, though, RB, I think Sherman is sane, and just knows the job, that’s all. The job is to make an almost nothing sound like really, really something. Read the lyrics from the song, “Razzle Dazzle” from “Chicago”. Nails it, totally.
This is the New Normal for all IDEAL ORGS
You can set your watch for moment Scientology
totally caves in.
One wonders how much money of these real estate plays flow through to DM in offshore accounts. When one looks at the what is claimed to be the cost of the Sydney new Ideal Morgue, and compares it to what a similar sized building would cost new elsewhere, built from scratch, with highly paid tradesmen, it seems clear that there is a disconnect.
How would that be done? Fairly easily. First of all, any outside work could easily be flowed through a DM controlled ‘consulting’ firm, a firm that is registered in a place where the true controlling ownership is impossible to ascertain. It would not only be one firm, as I would suspect for each project a new consultancy would be established, along with all the new off shore financial arrangements. Even a company registered in the USA could easily act as a flow through conduit, and it’s ownership masked.
It is not unusual for project management firms to charge a 12-15% fee for their services, so such a charge would not by itself trigger any suspicion. Of course, as everything is done under the veil of a religious organization, such detail would be very difficult to ascertain. By operating under these conditions, the issue of enurement becomes close to moot, as the connection would be very difficult, even by an IRS audit, to determine, as so much activity is off shore. COS is already quiet adept in structuring a corporate veil.
Mike, I have no idea if you had any insight into the financial arrangements of these projects, but one it certainly is not out of the realm of possibility for these arrangements to exist.
In February or March 1989 I was ordered to Twin Cities to have my baby according to the policy of pregnancies at the time. Without my husband. He would have to find a replacement if he planned on joining me/us.
This is after doing lower conditions because I “got pregnant” and was keeping my baby. It was my first child so you can guess the amount of assistance I was given during the pregnancy…zilch. I was shunned as though it was a teenage pregnancy. NO ONE was excited for me. No one helped me. I got a book about pregnancy at Peter Gillham’s store and read it over and over. We went to Tonya Brooks to have a home birth. I was able to attend 2 “birthing classes” total. I never went to a doctor for a check-up (no money). We had to hoc a set of leather Encyclopedia of Brittanica to pay for the pre-birth expenses and we owed $1700 after.
I didn’t know where Twin Cities was but I remember the Bookstore Officer was a woman and she was very nice. I was 20 years old, in the Sea Org since 15. Never allowed to finish high school (sent to the QI in Clearwater Florida for classes with an older lady supervisor that put me on a Typing course just to keep me occupied I guess). I had no concept of how to make a living on my own and especially with a baby.
I wrote Petition after Petition to each level/layer of management begging to be allowed to stay on my post in the Sea Org. Nope. Disapproved with a few nasty Reality Adjusting “you made your choice” replies. I still have those too.
I see that Marty R is having a meltdown on what’s happening to expose the insanities of scientology, the sea org and the people (grown adults, men and women) that run the show.
I was there. I saw what I saw. His meltdown is silly.
Now that I am OUTSIDE of it I can see clearer than ever: the group is packed full of absolute nutty people with BIG EGOS. They do not consider HUMAN rights. They abuse each other and get away with it.
Not cool.
Let’s shine more light on them and turn up the wattage.
I hope MORE powerful people (Celebrities, Politicians, Leaders in general) with large crowds of followers come on board and LISTEN to those of us that survived it.
Well, that’s just criminal.
And congratulations for not Caving in to the forced abortion.
I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.
TOOT to OT, congratulations on finding your way out. Thank you for your story!
If you believe that “you get what you put your attention on”, the Ideal Org program would be a prime example. For over a decade, church management has riveted parishioner’s attention on MONEY and MEST, as opposed to LIFE and ABILITY. So, its not surprising all they’d end up with is fancy buildings with NO PEOPLE.
This is probably DM’s gravest error, which will certainly lead to Scn’s demise (as we are witnessing).
Kim-Jong Uh Oh recently executed a member of the ruling party for slouching in his chair, instead of sitting up straight. Now let’s see what the dwarf does…
The Agriculture Minister feel asleep while
the Great Leader was speaking..
So he was blasted to bits with Anti Aircraft guns
That is North Koreas RPF’s RPF.and “HOLE” all in one !
Talk about a FLUNK for out TR0! Jeez!
Seriously, they killed the guy with antiaircraft battery. I guess it gets their attention….
It’s done often and others are forced to watch.
No word clearing in North Korea.
“We have this simile of the bridge…” – LRH
Sometimes someone has to pick out the little things and blow them up. That’s what I’m here for. Every 10 year old child has been taught in school what a simile is. It’s the very first distinct type of metaphor that children are instructed in, because it’s commonly used and as easy to grasp as a prom date’s boobs. But L. Ron Hubbard, author of countless books, proponent of endless dictionary usage, master communicator, doesn’t know what a simile is. It is inconceivable, yet also totally expected.
“It’s inconceivable!” of course fits perfectly with “I do not think that word means what you think it means.”
In 1990, ARIS found about 45,000 Scientologists.
In 2001, it found 55,000, and
in 2008, it found 25,000.so in 7 years between 2001 and 2008 more than halved.
Since 2008 streams and streams of bad news have come out so it a fair gues would be between 13.000-10.000 scientologist today if the decline continued at the same pace.
It seems the slope of the decline is increasing so it is probably more 10.000 and maybe even under 10.000 in the US.
Religous studies from England and Australia pretty much mirror this pattern.
The party is close to over.
Katie Holmes can speak about her divorce with Tom Cruise
beginning 2017 (5 year waiting period expires)
Laundry list of really wild wierd stuff that Tom was into in Scientology.
This will be a carpet PR bomb for kool aid drinkers.
It still begs the question, what sort of blind whale still supports Scientology?
The money has to be flowing from somewhere to keep the Failology going. I suppose selling off the AO’s building in inner city Sydney and buying a cheaper one out in the suburbs was a profitable real estate move. Because corporate Scientology sure isn’t selling anything to do with their pretense of religion.
The sad part of this guaranteed collapse of Orgs is the staff that, somehow in their minds are there to help and assist others.
Sooner or later they will see the facts and, as thousands have done, they will also walk away from this criminal organization
Thank you Mike
“Clearing the entire Midwest …” I was tempted to once again make my quarterly comment about how stunningly stupid these people must be or simply hallucinatory to even begin to believe this stuff … but then I thought, you know I’ve been out for ten years … do the mass of remaining Scientologists ACTUALLY believe any of this clearing coming on with their teeny amount of completions? (hell, we use to make actual Class IV AUDITORS back in the day at my org, like sometimes FIFTY in one year! Don’t all the geezers still in from the 1970s remember any of this? Or have they all just occluded their memories and instead have dedicated themselves to the latest CF project?)
Does anyone who reads this blog know anyone still in? Do they ever comment on this stuff that we read in all these wild promo pieces? Maybe one of YOU folks reading this is still in and you could fill us in. Or are people just numb to this stuff (I kinda was there at the end ten years ago I admit)
I have several friends still in, but I can’t talk to them about the church or they will disconnect from me. I did bring up the outlandish claims in some of the events and the reply was “then write it up and send to the RTC and they will fix the problem”. I could not delve further with the conversation though. I was dying to ask “don’t you find the numbers a little off?” I stay connected to them to try to understand how can these smart people believe in this stuff? I don’t have an answer yet.
“then write it up and send to the RTC and they will fix the problem”. Therein lies your answer. The individual Scientologist already knows that being a rabble rouser will mean you never get to the promised land. RTC knows better than you.
TWO?
So basically they sent out a promo-piece saying, “LOOK WE’RE NOT DEAD YET!”
I’m embarrassed on their behalf.
My niece who is trapped in the deception that is $cientology is a wonderful person. She is just good to the core. She got in because she wanted to help people and still does, as misguided as that decision was and is for so many.
So it is with great pleasure that I watch in glee the dismantling of this toxic organization run by someone who is just evil to the core.
Karma is a bitch midget and it’s heading your way FAST. Billions of dollars…..payoffs to politicians, police departments, the courts and whoever else you have in your pockets will not stem the tide of the unmasking of your depravity. Many who you rely on today will not be there tomorrow as their toxic association with you is being revealed daily and made clear to them as we speak.
Your character is a complete mystery to me. You must surely be totally insane.
Verily, Thou speaketh the truth Harvey
Your comment on payoff reminded me of the televised incarceration of Paris Hilton in 2007: Sheltered her life by money and influence Paris Hilton, 26, was sentenced to 45 days in jail for repeatedly driving with a suspended license. Her mother ranted in the courtroom, and ended yelling ‘and after all the money we spent’.
I see the tiny one in a similar position.
Ditto, except start out with “My son….”
Ditto, except start out with “My daughter….”
Ditto, except start out with “My son and daughter…”
Harvey, I didn’t know you had a family member still in. May she see the light soon and come over to Uncle Harvey’s home to celebrate!
As a resident of the Twin Cities. I am well aware of this giant empty building in the middle of downtown St Paul. I am sure it goes without saying but there is no way the Twin Cities Ideal Org is going Saint Hill Size. I find myself in that area of Downtown St Paul often. In fact, one of my big customers is a college of music right next door to the Org.
I have had many conversations with my contact about what it is like to be next door to an Ideal Org for Scientology. He has told me that its completely hands off these days which they like. He said that in the very beginning the school had to threaten the church with lawsuits because they were targeting students passing by but it is a non issue now. Funny though, students are typically very broke, not the best targets but hey, they learned.
The entire school basically sees the place as Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory because “nobody ever goes in and nobody ever comes out!” To reinforce that claim I can honestly say I too, have never seen anyone go in or out of the building. So because of that, I have always envisioned this entire building as being like all other Ideal Orgs… Completely empty.
Keep fighting the good fight Mike!
For God’s sake!!! They’re all hiding in the basement!!! Don’t go down there!!!
Left Side Drive, thanks for the eyewitness report.
Amen brother Dude.
I’ve still got a couple numskull in-laws still drinking the kool-aide & creating mind fuck havoc with the rest of the family, they never relent, not even for a second. They truly believe the Cof$ has all the answers and we recently heard they suggested that we need to sell our house so our niece can get some auditing. I’m open to suggestions… nothing that results in jail time please (no matter how good it’ll make me feel).
It’s truly amazing, they hate my guts, third party the crap out of me, haven’t spoke directly to me for years yet still see me as an asset for someone else’s so called (make believe) benefit. Every cent they ever had is in the Cof$’s coffers plus a long list of mortgage and cc bills and they’ve got zip to show for it, they don’t do courses, audit – NOTHING! (oh accept some CCHR volunteer stuff) AHHHHH… I detest that cherch!
When members leave, there’s nothing positive that goes with them. They just leave. They do get their old life back, though. Which is really pretty bitchin’.
Simple questions from a non-Scientologist: What does “Ideal” org mean? What about “Saint Hill size??
“Ideal” org is a vast building, purchased for a lot of money, and refurbished ornately (when they bother to fund the refurbishment) They sit empty, mostly. A rented room in a single room schoolhouse would be more useful.
“Saint Hill size” means the org should eb servicing as many people as the Saint Hill organization did at it’s peak. No org is Saint Hill size, as Scientology has been shrinking since the late 90’s, and they are not gaining any new clients (except perhaps in Taiwan)
Ideal was an adjective added to org by Miscavige to convince the local people to pony up cash to buy giant posh expensive buildings.
Nobody was coming in but if we have a big posh building they will come in droves. I think he called it ideal because it was the ideal scam. Do not complain there is nobody here, pony up cash for the ideal org.
Miscavige owns the building and the local org must now pay him rent. Long term it results in the photo you saw from Phoenix. Do not blame Miscavage.Blame the stupidity of the local scientologist. Scientologist want to live eternally. But they are so stupid one wonders if they even deserve to live here and now.
Saint Hill was the name of some castle Hubbard bought in the UK after he fled the US. Saint Hill seize means the Phoenix org has as much public as he had. Whereas his org pulled people from the whole world since he was there himself and that of course was the cat’s meow.
“Build it and they will come.” It worked in Field of Dreams. (Oh … That was a movie and only ghosts were summoned.)
Even violates the Scientology precept of “Having to have before you can do”, which I’ve pointed out to an active Scientologist. Response: crickets.
Simple questions, but also pointless – because there’s no answer. But for fun, do pose the questions to a Scientologist, and glory in the nonsense that spews forth.
An Ideal Org should be, at the very least, 50,000 sq ft. The cult loves huge empty buildings. And being St. Hill size is when you have, at least, 200 staff members that wander around the big empty building.
Hey posters! Let me know if I got it right.
And how many students do the wandering staff need to find on course ……. or are they all waiting in line to to see the MAA followed by the IAS registrar?
What you said…
I don’t know what right is… but a big smoking empty hole in the ground seems an attractive alternative than having a Cof$ in your neighborhood. Negative gain!
Officially, “ideal org” has a very vague definition, a place “where people came to achieve freedom and where they had confidence they would attain it”, but in practice it’s David Miscavige’s scheme to get individual congregations of Scientologists to spend their own money to buy excessively large pieces of real estate for the Church of Scientology.
“Saint Hill size” refers to the peak level of activity at the Saint Hill organization in the church’s heyday. This is an important milestone because it’s supposedly what will trigger the release of the next Operating Thetan levels (the highest levels of courses a Scientologist can take).
When I was in back in the 80’s, nobody really knew exactly what St. HIll Size actually was, much less 5X STH.
We just knew it was beeeeeg and everyone would finally get up the bridge.
Akin to everyone will go OT when everyone is OT.
Questions were above my pay grade.
Is it still the case in Scientology that when local parishioners/Scientologists save up enough money to first buy and then refurb a building, when it’s complete the standard operating procedure is to then give the building to the Church of Scientology and then pay rent on it?
That seems like one of the best cons I’ve heard of.
Is that other readers experience?
It’s interesting to see that the quarterly “weekly” graduation will take only 45 minutes. The orgs are deflating at quite a nice pace. There are more commenters here on a daily basis than graduates from an ideal org in an entire quarter.
Aqua: I don’t understand your comment! Of course the entire multi faceted ceremony will take a whole 45 minutes each quarter!! And is so epic it is critical people travel miles from surrounding states for the occasion!!! ALL completions of ANY AND ALL services, courses, toilet rolls replaced and Grade Chart steps will be acknowledged and celebrated as the meat
sandwiched between the first 10 minutes, waiting for important interstate parishioners to show up (and then they don’t), and the 10 minutes for the news about the Twin Cities gooing Saint Hill size (already pre-announced in this flyer) and 15 minutes regging to lubricate clearing the Mid-West at the end when the doors are firmly closed.
It’s a long drive from Helena where I live and I will be 40minutes late if I’m able to attend but look forward to notes from the meeting tucked in with the Valley Orgy committee minutes here on Mike’s website.
In another year, it will take about 5 minutes…..maybe less.
Les Kool was the ED when I was first at Phoenix, he was replaced by Jim May.
That was 1975.
He’d be someone that an in depth interview of is life as a Scientologist I’d be interested in hearing.
a) What courses has he completed over his whole history, in sequence
b) What auditing he started and/or completed over his whole history, in sequence
The sequences of the courses and auditing a Scientologist received, over their whole 40 years plus life as a Scientologist ought to be all compiled.
There are likely thousands of still onlines Scientologists, and a full layout of their 40 plus years of courses and auditing, month by month, would be useful to judge Scientologists’ participation in the core practices of Scientology: training and auditing.
Tech Degrades says the product of the org is well trained students and thoroughly audited pcs.
Judging Scientology by Hubbard’s most senior metrics he wrote, would get to the “whole thing” that LRH was despairing he’d “failed” at when he at the Creston Ranch in his final months of life, he despaired to Sarge that he’d “failed” at “it all” or “all of it.”
I think the Scientologists would think they HAVE not failed, even if they have to re-do things over and over.
Times over equals certainty datum of Hubbard’s would be one I would repeatedly have on hand to show students who themselves were resistive of redoing their Scientology trainings.
People of other churches redo their hymns and prayers endlessly.
Taken from the wider repeating rituals traditions of other religions, Scientologists, who believe in “future lives” and there’s the Hubbard advertisement of the “Scientology Passport” that advertises a young “new” Scientologist showing up newly to an org, supposedly in his future life, and the tech film advertisement shows the Receptionist handing the young man his “Scientology Passport” which has in the Passport all the courses and auditing levels the student achieved in his last life. He only needs to give up his correct last lifetime name, that’s a problem, obviously, also not shown in the advertisement when you delve into that ad and the problems in scripting it’s practical doability. But that ad did exist, it did take up this general point.
It relates, because Scientologists who believe in future lives, will be coming back, supposedly, to their future Ideal Orgs, empty as they are.
But empty Ideal Orgs also mean that Scientologists have factually, sufficiently, NOT achieved the certainty of their past lives as Scientologists.
Factually, from a Scientologist viewpoint, the Ideal Orgs are there, for their future lives.
So the emptiness of Ideal Orgs is a grade to how much of a failure this whole Hubbard past and future lives therapy practice Scientology is.
There are not enough, yet, people waltzing into Scientology Ideal Orgs who remember Scientology from their past lives.
That whole phenomenon ought to be researched out, just how many of the new young Scientologists do have any type of recall of their past Scientologist courses and auditing.
The empty org parking lots are the answer, to me, so far, though.
Past lives Scientologists don’t seem to be showing up, just yet.
Hubbard’s admission of “failure” kind of applies, due to that fact of the empty parking lots.
You would think that in Phoenix, they would want to keep an ED whose name was Kool … though preferably of course his first name would be More and not Les.
🙂
“That whole phenomenon ought to be researched out, just how many of the new young Scientologists do have any type of recall of their past Scientologist courses and auditing. ”
So far, there are ZERO verified cases of such a thing.
Research is now done.
The difference you don’t point out here is that someone who says his prayers over and over or sings the same hymn over and over is not required to pay each time they pray or sing. Even where collection plates are passed, donation is voluntary. I know some religions have “tithing settlements” like the LDS religion, but even then, only 10% of your income is expected of you.
When you are required to pay money that should go to for the privilege of doing the same thing over and over and over and over and …… IMHO it becomes less of a religious “privilege” and more of an extortion racket. Either way, any religion, I’m not interested, but most certainly not interested in paying for re re re re re re doing something.
Twin Cities going Ideal? WTF??
Didn’t they “go Ideal” years ago with their huge building in the deadest part of the Twin Cities – St Paul, Minnesota?
More like Ideal FAILURE and BEING NOTHING
Hey, be nice to Saint Paul. It may not be cospmopolitan Minneapolis, but it was a fun place to grow up. Ok, I moved away as soon as I could, and am looking back with rose-tints… but …. I have no point.
I think they have to go Ideal several before they become truly Ideal
I think they have to go Ideal several times before they’re really Ideal.
Do I leave out words or what!
Hey, Mike, isn’t it somewhat exhausting having to cover the same news over and over and over? All that money being spent and all with the same “no movement” comments that they call PR. Arggh! Btw, since you’ve still got Marty’s blog up as a link, any idea what’s going on with him that he seems to have totally reversed direction where the czerch and Miscavige are concerned?
Ummmmmmmmm…..I’m going to take a shot and say, the dwarf gave him a nice chunk of change to change sides.
Does there ALWAYS have to be hard and fast “sides”? Isn’t that the “enemy game” that’s been played out on the planet Earth forever in such moronic and disastrous diversity? Marty Rathbun seems to be someone who is a fluid/flexible observer and commenter on the scene as he sees it. So if someone disagrees with him or he’s not TOTALLY fixed on one side, he’s attacked as some sort of traitor? C’mon guys, does someone ALWAYS have to toe YOUR line to be acceptable? Isn’t that what the “church” of scientology always demands?
“Marty Rathbun seems to be someone who is a fluid/flexible observer and commenter on the scene as he sees it”
Flexible? hahaha He’s flexible, alright.
From Enforcer, to Enemy, to, now, Defender.
Currently, he’s trashing anyone who has a negative word to say, or has a documentary, or has written a book That is Anti-Sci.
On balance, he has done a lot of damage to Scientology in the past. Can’t fault him for that.
Or Solo C/Sing a Solo Truth Rundown?
I have my Breakfast Rundown at the Ideal Diner (http://www.idealdiner.com/) every week.
What’s wrong with these people?
So, did the owners not update their menu? Still says “sour kraut” under the reuben.
And I told my brother about this place. It’s now a go-to favorite for him and his husband.
Well Kim said she would talk to the board about that…unfortunately she has to find another place to live because some idiot set up a meth lab in a garage next to her house and it blew up. There’s a big blue plastic tarp covering the house and I don’t know if they are going to rebuild the place yet.
Oh my! Idiots. I hope Kim was unharmed and finds a solution to the housing situation (and that the idiot was caught and jailed).
Hmmmmm …… where to begin?
I’m a Ideal Surfer….
It’s dead in the US. At MOST there probably 150-200 people doing a Div 4 service in all scn org’s combined on any given night throughout the entire country.
30 years after the head criminal died while insane, his criminal group in the US is moribund.
I’d probably nudge your number up a thousand or so, simply due to staff having to be on course as well.
Do you think that there are that many Class V staff? I really don’t know what the range is for that #.
Perhaps staff has plenty of idle time on their hands these days to be on course, but it used to be that staff rarely were on course. Far too much demand for production to get stats up, plus the need to have a real job to survive left little time for study.