The Denver Ideal Org
The Colorado Rockies parking lot that doubles as an “ideal” scientology org in Denver has just sent out an exclamation-laced update announcing the amazing news that they had 19 people on service IN A MONTH (July)!
And you can bet most of them were on “Basics” courses, Student Hat and Purif.
Remember, this “ideal” org, like all the others, is supposed to accommodate 200 students IN THE ACADEMY and has 40 auditing rooms and is supposed to be servicing 300 – 500 people in Division 6 each week.
But more than 6 YEARS after being announced as “ideal”, they have seen so few people (other than those using the parking lot for the Rockies games so they can make enough money to pay their utilities bills) that they are patting themselves on the back and shouting from the rooftops that they have 20 people “on service” in a building intended for 1000.
And they alone are supposed to be “Clearing Colorado” (and Nebraska and Wyoming as there are no orgs there, they haven’t even opened a Mission) — that is 8 million people. At 20 per month that is 400,000 months or 35,000 YEARS. But actually they are going backwards as the population is increasing about 200,000 per year. They would need aanother 1000 Denver orgs just to keep up with the population increase let alone making a dent in the Clearing Their Zone plan.
And in fact, this is not even addressing Clearing — 20 people on service doesn’t equate to 20 Clears per month. So the picture is even grimmer.
But hey, why let a few inconvenient truths get in the way of our self-congratulations? Hell, if we actually looked we might as well just give up….
Mike, you’re being unfair to the poor little Denver org! They did open up a mission, in Aurora, Colorado, I’m pretty sure not long after they went “ideal” – though it didn’t last.
It’s interesting to see that so many of the course sign-ups come from the OT committee itself – and that about half the “starts” they claim in their stats are actually for members doing courses at Flag or AOLA, meaning that the Denver org is delivering few services and courses, and not much of that to newer members.
When that OTC member writes about “more Bridge progress” I’m guessing they’re referring largely to re-doing lots of basic courses, in part in the effort to keep “stats” up. My, the Orwellian nature of it all….
Last I knew, Denver was reported to be be sort of an average-sized org, with 25 – 30 people on staff including an unknown number of part-timers, 50 to 70 active members and, typically, about as many who mostly just showed up for a couple of major events a year, for a total of 100 to 120. Denver is a thriving city with high income and education levels (including in the now-revitalized central city itself), so what we’re seeing here has got to be about as good as it gets in Scientology these days – and likely reflects a reduction in numbers from what I last heard about, maybe down a quarter to a third
I also suspect Denver (and the metro area including Boulder) is typical in a certain way, and rather like California, in that there are more “other practices” that you can shake a stick at – all different types of yoga and meditation, typical “new age” activities and whatever might currently be trendy, and so on. People seeking person improvement, some sort of healing, or who are just “curious” about the mind and spirit, have plenty of choices, some like yoga and mediation with proven benefits, and almost all without inordinate expense or the necessity to give one’s life over to a totalitarian organization.
Also in Colorado, and rather typically, the old Boulder mission seems to live on, downsized from its own premises to the aging mission holder’s condo; and the Alamosa mission closed when the dentist who hosted it in his office building, retired.
“there are more “other practices” that you can shake a stick at ” That should read “there are more “other practices” that you can shake a Thai stick at”……. I suspect the most popular “other practice” is rolling down to the nearest weed store…..
but, “Scientology can handle that !” (yeah, right….)
I finally get COB’s strategy. An Ideal Org to him is an empty Org! Very well done indeed Dave!
Not a bad strategy since it eliminates payroll, utility bills, maintenance etc., yet, still helps maintain your tax free status.
On the move from Mondays to Thursdays at 6:15 pm. Does that move eliminate the 2:00 pm Thursday money brought in deadline?
Sacrilege! Thursday 2pm is stamped in stone.
The 6:15pm meeting is probably the aftermath meeting where people get chastised for not meeting goals, and new unrealistic goals are set for the next week. Moving it up from Monday puts the pressure on, no slacking off on the weekend!
Oh, so RMycroft, it does get even worse. 🙁 Hard to believe that’s even possible.
Yeah, but Mike, you neglected to mention, those 19 stats were STRAIGHT UP and VERTICAL!
To COB, Thank you, SIR!
There’s a quote, and I paraphrase, somewhere of Ron saying his aim in Scientology is to help people and it gives him great joy. Admirable, not to be invalidated, however I think this goal has yet to be accomplished. I mean, it’s one thing to write up success stories from a coerced perspective, but it’s another to show concrete objective proof of such. It was written as a ‘science’ after all, well, at least after Ron changed the definition of science as his own personal ‘workable’ fact.
Ok, so back to the topic of helping people. Let’s say one person. Can anyone state a single person who has truly benefited from Ron’s masterpiece of self-defined Science?
Well, I guess there is One person. Not in the manner Ron was indicating in his quote, yet benefit nonetheless. His name rhymes with livid and his father has a podcast about him. Ok, I’ll stop there but, oh so much more Fun if I went on. I relent instead of being #ruthless
I disagree.The Towering Giant really does have his ethics in on the fleecing.We may all wish to be as much on-purpose.
Great comment Golden Era Parachute. To answer your question: “Can anyone state a single person who has truly benefited from Ron’s masterpiece of self-defined Science?”
I believe that LRH “tech” has helped many people with acute depression and mild phobias, but it was at a cost of their free will, family and money. Is that “help” or a bait and switch scam to fleece you? In my experience, LRH “tech” cure is far worse than any emotional malady someone might temporarily suffer from (Chronic emotional problems are insane and not handled because in Scientology that is an “illegal PC”).. For myself after 40 years “in” the cult applying the “cure” through auditor training, OT levels and Sea Org, I can say the cure does far greater harm than just finding your own way through your depression or phobias without LRH’s tech “help”.
“Self-defined Science”? Rather self-aggrandizing pseudo-science.
I just watched a show from 2003 called Pen and Teller: Bullshit. It is season 1 episode 4 about Alternative Medicine. It is a great episode itself for its time, but it could easily be applied to Scientology today. I suggest you find it and watch it. It is a great rebuttal to your claim that LRH tech cures anyone even temporarily.
(I would post a link to it, but I prefer you watch it legitimately. Free to watch if you have Amazon Prime)
Whenever I run across a Hubbard quote like that, I’m always left to wonder whether there was some brief period when his humanitarian instincts predominated over his “men are my slaves” desires, whether he was lying through his teeth because he knew that was what people wanted to hear out of a leader or guru, or whether he’s just cynically using some redefinition of “help” that involves people increasing their ability to flow power and money to him. I sometimes imagine him like Sarumon in Lord of the Rings, overseeing the pit where his army of Uruks, an improved race of Orcs, are being bred to serve him in brutal conquest.
Peace Maker… it is hard to reconcile LRH as the world’s greatest humanitarian with the reality we call a Scientology Organization. The organization and its leader today collect $ and deliver nothing but lies in return for the money. What kind of organization is that?
Spending a lifetime in a cult means it will take a lot of time for X members like myself to recover. How can the man that gave us the motivational scale (Duty at the top and Money at the bottom) be operating at the lowest level of motivation: getting unlimited money to make man his slaves…
Isn’t Thursday night the only night Sea Org members sort of have off?
Oh, Hell no! They have to scramble to get all there students to turn in their points in before 2pm.
The existence of FSMs proves that CoS is selling something, more like MLM than a church.
Boy did the IRS get suckered back in the day.
Fail is a personally non descriptive, unimaginable term for Scientologists. They will say and do anything to avoid any association with it. It’s a term that only applies to wogs or wog wanabies masquerading as potential Scioland income but are withholding things of value. Sec checks expose them and ethics handles them. Grass roots disconnection tek applied liberally handles any external human observance of a Scientologist’s activities, especially by family. Lies handle any & all of the mis-perceptions of the wonders of LRH’s gift to man. It’s taboo to gives examples of your superior powers as the state of oat tea contains boiling water so vigorous it’ll scold the lips clean off anyone not indoctrinated to handle it.
You see, Scientology orgs are doing just fine, their oat tea committees say so.
Where I come from, oat tea is known as porridge, a thick glutinous mess that if not consumed relatively quickly sets like concrete. Same as the kool-aid Bridge and a lot cheaper, organic is best, a little honey works wonders. There is nothing more blindly solid than a hard core, card carrying member of the Cof$.
Think I’ll have eggs for breakfast today.
Enjoy your English Breakfast!
I had a Scientologist give me a copy of that Dianetics book, and do you know what I did with it? I literally took a dump on it in my back yard, squirted lighter fluid on it and set it on fire. ? Now THAT’S what I call a REAL “Wall of Fire”. A “church” MY ASS. ?
Has there been any research done correlating the number of students on course with number of games the Rickie’s win during the same time? I would assume the increased theta in Denver would make it harder on the visiting team to win in Denver.
Wow! That’s amazing! I mean, changing the name from the Rockies to the Rickies took guts! You da man, Doug!
I must be connected to an SP. Perhaps it is you.
No. I’m a PS.
Interesting that the source of this never in history heard Affluence was due to the OTC Members.
What happened to the Regs of the Org, the Div VI selling books and getting new people in, the Central Files’ letters to get others to join this mafia style group?
So, if it weren’t for these OTC members nothing will be happening, despite this TV Indoctrination Programs Scn promotes.
They probably have a whole two people working part time in Division VI, and one of em is a dual hatted OSA spy. Given how the old mission in Orlando (prior to the Ideal Morgue) was and how the one in Albuquerque is, it’s not that hard to figure out that’s what’s up.
Sylvia, its possible the staff to which you refer are a crew overwhelmed with their own life problems and mostly heir own failed purposes as CL V staff. Most likely they’re a tiny crew at that – a skeleton crew in total apathy.
The Demented Midget knows he can’t get more staff AND he knows he has zero leverage with them. After all, are they making any money? Are they being audited?
All the Class V org staff are getting is being made wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong! For being “the only ones” who are not expanding, like the rest of Scientology is expanding, like ALL the other orgs EXCEPT THEIR ORG are expanding.
The Dwarf has most likely given up on the staff producing anything so he leans on the OTC members. With THEM he has LEVERAGE!
Silvia: I totally agree. OT committee members know they will NOT get their OT VIII or OT X without PERSONALLY contributing to get/con new members. A cult in the internet age with horrible PR, like Scientology, can only recruit new members on a “face to face, one on one basis”. Miscavige lost the PR battle with Squirrel busters, The Hole, personal use of tax free funds, etc… so now we can see the “end game” of Scientology play out: The last cherch members are forced to lie/con any “internet challenged” public to become cult members/slaves. If you listen carefully, the sound made by OT committee members recruiting on front lines of Scientology sounds just like the toilet flushing.
Shit, I believe you’re right!
“Mafia style group”? not hardly! The Mob has smoother and more humane behavior than Dave’s Dumpster-Diving Dilettantes.
Last week people with knowledge on the scene in St Louis did a marvellous job helping us to get a conceptual understanding of the Org.
Very powerful because it combats the “it s only in our out-ethics org syndrome.” Anyone else who thinks that some (ex) boots on the ground write ups on Denver would be helpful?
I totally agree – that information helped me get someone to close the door on Scientology forever!
It was awesome.
(((((((((((((Denver SP’s ))))))))))))
Please get your stats up!
Do some digging on public records and give us the true condition of Scientologists in Denver.
It’s the right thing to do.
The truth sets people free!
Yes it does! Way to go. This makes my day!!☺
Well done SP.
Mind giving us some tips on how you did it?
Especially since anyone can join the OT Committee! Let’s do it, Denver SPs!
Aren’t all the UTR boots on the ground compiling data while pretending to be solid scientologists? Who would be dumb enough NOT to be a secretive informer?
It also must be so fun messing it up from within.
Here’s something that I have never understood. I probably have one of those pesky MUs. But, why in the hell do these spontaneously generated success stories ALWAYS sign off with some untraceable initials? Why doesn’t the proud successee boldly announce to the group that they have had this amazing win, gain, new found ability, etc.? These people need to get out of ‘Hiding’ on the ‘Tone Scale’. Especially as they move up the ‘Bridge to Total Freedom’, they need to assert their ‘OTness’ and get away from their scardy-catness. Who wants to be associated with a group who hides behind their initials? No wonder the parking lot and building are empty. If they would shout from the roof tops proclaiming the wonders of the ‘tech’ and taking responsibility for it surely the biggest problem that they would have would be maintaining order at the doors as the hordes of unwashed raw meat demand services. As it is, they are absolutely thrilled to have 19 people on services. That is so beyond pathetic that even a Fool could not let that one go unnoticed.
It’s not you, Ms. B, it’s all those damn semi-colons!
Dave’s in serious need of a golden age colonic.
You are correct Surfer. Those semi-colons were a serious speed bump in cleaning up this sector of the ga-lux-ie.
COB did us all a HUGE favor in introducing the golden age of semi-colon removal, and hence removing the last few dollars from the parishioners.
The reason Scientology publishes suck-sess stories and don’t name names
Is due to the fact that
Today’s Scientology Release completed service
Is tomorrow’s bitter defrocked apostate
That is why you must post names of Scientologists and report the bankruptcies, foreclosures, cancer, deaths, suicides and divorces ….
Only the truth will set beings free!
It’s time to tell it !
The high quit ratio and bitter quitters are spared their shame of being onetime gaga hubbub Hubbardite dupes at least if they use only initials.
Scientology is at least sensitive to shaming these people, since so many quit, and Scientology can obfuscate the authors of the testimonials even when those authors have rejected Scientology.
Good thinking on Scientology’s part, they can use the suckers’ testimonials longer as ads, even when the quitters have left in disgust of their Scientology overall experience.
Ms. B, they do sign their Success Stories with their actual names but the cult will not publish their full names. After all, any one of today’s Success Stories can be tomorrow’s Bitter Defrocked Apostate 🙂
In my experience, EVERY one of today’s success stories is tomorrow’s ‘bitter defrocked apostate’ Lots of YESTERDAY’s are reading these posts today.
And of those 19 folks on service, HOW many were staff???
In away feel sorry for all of the humanitarian bankruptus dupes who paid for this.
But as they say in Texas:arrogance plus ignorance makes roadkill.
Lil’ Davey is just doing his job as following the dynamic principle of existence:Fleece.
Or more precisely;Con,fleece rinse and repeat
I am not sure if it would apply, but when I worked for a church, if any funds were raised by selling parking space, that money HAD to be used for parking lot maintenance or upgrades.
Thursdays at 6:15 pm. No last minute stat push?
Scientology just needs to embrace Xenu.
Scientology needs to spin Xenu to their advantage.
Xenu could fill those empty parking lots, if they did some freebie giveaways of Xenu related “products”.
Tote bags are always nice.
Great idea. Bobble head Xenu? Xenu pet rocks?
Wow, bobble head Xenu’s ought to be easy to cash in on.
They just don’t know how to market things, as Hubbard lamented over and over, even in the ASI advices he complained to Greg Wilhere’s lack of “hyping” LRH’s fiction products. Back when I think Greg was Fiction Exec ASI and Greg proposed the layout for promoting “Battlefield Earth” and the reject from LRH said “not enough hype.”
Well, seriously, all these years, I’ve been wondering, ever since I was an ASI staffer, and I woodenly took Hubbard’s ASI advices seriously, and there is an end of year and beginning of year exercise LRH ordered all ASI staffers to do, and today they absolutely still are obligated to do it, since LRH wrote general orders for all ASI staff to engage in.
And that exercise is how to strategize how from one’s ASI position one is to make for the LRH trust, a million dollars per year, from one’s position in ASI.
LRH’s individual goal for each ASI staffer was a million bucks in income to ASI (to the LRH trust accounts, etc, to LRH’s stash of money/profits).
So, ever since leaving, I’ve thought that some “hats and whips” stock toys, like Tony Ortega’s got a Battlefield Earth “Terl” toy, I think, Tony liked to display that from time to time.
Well a Xenu toy, and Loyal Officers toys, ought to roll out when ASI eventually gets the “Revolt In The Stars” movie script from Hubbard out into the world, and that was Hubbard’s intention thought it fizzled a bit and he shifted to Battlefield Earth movie, which never got made in his life, but John Travolta made Battlefield Earth happen, through John’s value as an actor John helped as the major person for financing the movie. (Come to think of it, the financing of the Battlefield Earth movie I think where that money came from , and if any somehow came from Hubbard’s “Trust” accounts, if that happened, would be a story to tell someday.)
Anyways, Hubbard in some senses, at some moments, might have approved of there being Xenu products! Hubbard wrote “Revolt In The Stars” and Xenu features at the ultimate bad guy in that film script!
So there is some grounds for Xenu products!
Thank you so much. There’s no one better to get facts from than someone who was there, I really appreciate your input.
Xenu volcanos are the obvious correct response to Xenu pet rocks, LOL
I toted my bags once. Now I have people to do that for me.
About 1976 my friend and his wife flew to NY City. When they arrived at their hotel room, my friend was feeling generous, and tipped the porter a crisp ten dollar bill.
“What’s this crap? Ten dollars? Man, I get ten dollars a bag!” said the outraged porter.
“Not from me you don’t.” said my friend, snatching back his ten dollars.
When they left, he had to grab a cart and wheel his own bags to the lobby, but that was OK, he saved himself a two-dollar tip.
That’s distressing. Was it a porter ploy? I imagine the porters get up to things for spite.
“….For starters, NYC & Company, the city’s tourism board, has put together this helpful list of who to tip at the city’s hotels and how much is appropriate.
Hotel Doorman: $1 for a hailing a cab.
Porters and Bellhops: $1-$2 per bag.
Housekeeeping: $1-$2 per day of your visit, or as much as $5 per day.
Waitstaff and Bartenders: 15-20 percent of total bill. (Note: Marta and Mailano restaurants within the Redbury New York Hotel and the Gramercy Park Hotel are actually part of the Union Square Hospitality Group which has implemented a No Tipping policy.)….”
https://ny.curbed.com/2017/4/28/15476668/new-york-hotels-how-much-to-tip-bellhop-guide
“Old Surfer Dude says
September 2, 2018 at 5:18 pm
I toted my bags once. Now I have people to do that for me.”
You da man Old Surfer Dude!
Ah, schucks…
I’ll take a Xenu tote bag for sure! I can carry all my MEST.
‘Xenu Rules’ t-shirts would be a top seller, especially with an erupting volcano. Magma-ificent!
MJ! ☺. I’ll take 2!
What’s your credit card number?
I’ll take 3.
Xenu chia pet! Oh the possibilities…
I’ve purchased dozens of Xenu dolls, I was thinking of making a glistening cape affixed with hundreds of wiggling baby Xenu dolls, and wear with my Xenu full costume.
“Xenu and his ‘body-thetans’ ”
Like Smokey the Bear, with Xenu saying things like:
“Only you can make the world a better place by getting to AOLA and exorcising all your ‘body-thetans’ immediately!”
Xenu would be the perfect Halloween costume! Or a pesky body thetan! ☺
You’d think ASI would jump on this like hotcakes! You’d think they’d corner the market on all things Xenu!!!
Now I start to understand why they have billion year contracts:)
Scientology is upping the ante: They now want 2 Billion contracts.
“…19 were on services in the Denver Org! This is stellar!”
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry. I really shouldn’t laugh, but, Bwahahahahahahahahahahah. Whew! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Hey, it’s a prime number!
So now the OT Committee people have to act as a FSM? What happened the full time FSM? Please step around that pile of bones and rags in the corner our OT Janitor hasn’t been hatted for body removal yet.
I am surprised that any numbers were used at all. To use laughable numbers is just laughable.
Some people never find out that Santa Claus is not real.
HOLY SHIT! Santa’s not real? Boy, was I duped.
I wish I had found out Ron wasn’t earlier. ?
Well, who was that fat guy in the beard and red suit getting wasted on the egg nog in the lounge room last year?
Umm, that was me…
Sue & Peggy sound like they have been smoking’ too much of that Colorado Pot !
Probably not, but there is no doubt that they would be better off if they did. Maybe they would be able to relax a bit and enjoy life instead of looking forward to an endless string of ‘Thursdays at 2:00″. How fucking depressing is that?
If everything else was absolutely wonderful in scientology, which it most definitely isn’t, just the words “Thursdays at 2:00” should be more than enough to make everyone pick up and blow. Scientology absolutely SUCKS.