Some of the claims made about Ideal Orgs defy belief. Even for a cynical bitter defrocked apostate on the fringes of the internet.
This is the latest fundraising pitch for the Detroit ideal org.
Detroit org has been there for half a century (perhaps more?) and it has created absolutely NO impact. They admit nobody in Detroit even knows what scientology is. They probably know the word and the information from the internet and The Aftermath and Going Clear — but in the minds of scientologists that means they don’t know what scientology REALLY is. They are only aware of the “entheta”…
All these years applying THE tech, and nothing to show for it? But now, with a different building, they are going to take over the city! The delusion is great. An Ideal Org Will Handle This…
Not to mention the 480,000 people in Detroit who think they have mental health problems. I wonder if the person who wrote this knows that scientology REFUSES to audit anyone who is taking any sort of psych medication? Or, heaven forbid, seeing a mental health practitioner. Though Hubbard said that with the Introspection Rundown the last reason for psychiatry to exist was gone, he did NOT change the policy forbidding the treatment of the insane, or anyone who has even come in contact with psychiatry. So, you have to wonder how the ideal org is going to “handle that”?
How are they planning to handle the functional illiteracy? With Study Tech? “Study tech” is useless if you cannot READ. Scientology does not teach people how to read. Remember, scientology is to make the able more able, not to teach people how to read or provide shelter for the homeless or food for the hungry. So what IS their plan for half the adults in Detroit? Bring them in and have them marvel at the marble floors and mahogany desks and that will glow away their illiteracy?
And finally, the last pitch is to handle the tens of thousands who are drug addicted. But scientology orgs do not deal with these people either. They are not qualified to participate in services in an org until they are “clean”. So, just how is an “ideal org” going to help with this problem?
That is three swings and three strikes. Not even close.
These people live in a world of delusion. They seem to believe that if they merely say something it makes it true. It’s absolutely nuts.
If half of Detroit is functionally illiterate, then Detroit is doing better than its soon-to-be clam center.
As for an ideal morgue handling anything, shit, they can’t even clear their own staff much less a city.
Mike,
Not to seem disrespectful, but I think you forgot to factor in the ‘Sherman Speak” in that blurb. When you eliminate the BS the message becomes:
The Detroit Metropolitan area is home to over 4 people who know what Scientology is. Over 12% of them are confirmed to have mental health problems. Nearly half of the adults in the Detroit Org are functionally illiterate. And tens of them should be on some kind of medications. The Ideal org will be as successful here in Detroit as it has been elsewhere.
The Battle Creek org is going through an intense regging cycle over their stillborn Ideal building (15+ years now?). Apparently the unveiling is right around the corner, the big wallets have been milked, and they’re now attempting to staff it. This is despite their inability to get any students into the smaller properties they had prior. I remember some of those people from my time in Ann Arbor, and I imagine the more sane ones have departed. They’re still pumping craigslist with intro service offers, and usually do stress tests at the cereal festival (which is next weekend).
What They’re going to try and sell DMSMH to Tony the Tiger and Toucan Sam?
Bastards!
Call in ‘Cap’n Crunch’ to save the day!
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That is right.
Hickory Dickery Doc
The Dwarf ran up the clock
The clock struck 12
And the Dwarf fell down.
And Waiting was Shelly who just slapped the shit out of him.
The Dwarf hasn’t been seen since.
Well you had better tell Him to get His ass out of bed and get busy with a major dono from His International Association of Shitheads so Battle Crack can become an ideal cesspool of lunatics.
Glad I got that out of my system!
“Nearly half of the adults in Detroit are functionally illiterate”…seriously?
Incredible how they pull “facts” like this out of the ether.
Then again, if its not true, nowadays that’s no cause for alarm, as its merely just another Alternative Fact!
Please, please, make it stop.
It is important to distinguish between Detroit city and Detroit metro. Most that could afford to leave the city have done so. The schools are a disaster. Truly, I would not doubt that half if he adult population in Detroit is functionally illiterate. All the more reason Scientology will fail in Detroit – they can’t fix it, and the real money in Detroit is in far-off suburbs.
Off topic, but it Mike will allow it: I just watched a video, “The Cause of Suppression,” on the Scientology TV channel on Youtube. First, I will admit it was produced to 100% professional standard, and it looked and sounded great. The actors, certainly professionals, gave their parts all that they could give.
Needless to say, it was about the nefarious deeds of Suppressive Persons, SPs, and how to identify them. But it was noted that these villains “squash” or suppress someone.
However it identified them as “Anti-Social Personalities,” and here’s the main thing: it said that these SPs-by-another-name make up about TWENTY PER CENT (20%) of the population.
Didn’t this stat use to be more like 2%, back when LRH was calling the shots? Does anyone have an explanation for how the figure shot up so much?
Excellent catch, Snake Thompson. Yes it did say 2 1/2 percent are SP. And I think the 20% came from adding in the ones who are PTS to the 1 1/2 percent. That’s my educated guess anyway.
Correct Cindy. 20% included those “PTS” to the SPs like Hubtard.
I am always amazed at COS use of psych terms. You know, to be so anti psych.
Oxymoronic at best.
Psychotic at worst.
If you can’t get a person interested in your cult in San Francisco, you know your cult is washed up.
Video of S.F. Org earlier today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cQsoxPSbbQ
I remember seeing a video showing bits of a DM speech that I think was at a New Years Eve event. While he was talking about Detroit a graph appeared on the big screen showing how after the tech was brought into the Detroit schools, all the students were raised to grade level within 3 weeks. So what happened? Was the tech removed from the classrooms and so everyone forgot how to read? Just curious……..
The org will be staffed with illiterates and druggies. I think that’s a stat. No? Anyway, low pay is better than no pay but still, staff members will probably not be able to maintain their standard of living.
Speaking of Detroit staff, I wonder how they’ll do at keeping their existing staff – and active members. The new facility in downtown is about 20 miles, or a half hours’ drive, away from their current one. At current IRS mileage reimbursement rates, which are a realistic ballpark figure for the actual total cost of owning a car, that’s a $20 round trip (possibly around $10 for an older high-mileage car), a real burden on Scientology staff who may not even get paid that much every week. That may force them to pull more staff from underprivileged inner city areas closer by – but even a monthly bus pass to get around downtown is $50.
Where is the old one located? Do you mean the one in Farmington?
The only reason DM is spending so much money on his ideal orgs is to maintain his tax exempt status by dumping his excess donations into real estate and claiming his religion is expanding. He moves staff around these ideal orgs and takes lots of pictures to prove it. He has actually created a new shell game called “Where is the staff now?”
He is destroying Scientology at a steady pace. DM was there with LRH for years and perhaps LRH lacked the awareness to see the damage that the little shit could accomplish. If he had, he did not do enough to prevent that from happening. Dave should be posted on the Freewinds scrubbing the decks with a toothbrush for the next billion years.
“Power is when people listen to you.”
David Miscavige, Ecclesiastical Leader of the Cherch of Scientology.
From the dark recesses of Aqua’s mind comes the perfect, permanent, whole track punishment for our favorite cult leader.
No hell fire. No whips or chains. No physical pain or hard labor. No confinement, even.
Nothing so unimaginative or barbaric for COB’s eternitity!
Just this:
:
For the rest of his eternal lives, each time he says something, EACH time, no matter what it is, or to whom, he’ll always have to repeat it AT LEAST once.:
“What was that?”…”Did you say something?”…”Run that by me again?”… “Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention”….”Whadjasay?”
An eternity of that.
Bwwwwwaaaaaahahahah!
If someone reading this is from Detroit and a never-in, this ad sure isn’t appealing. As a kool-aid drinking scientologist, I guess one might think it’s pretty cool the different “buttons” that are being pushed in this ad. But how in the hell “an Ideal Org will handle this” is a real head scratcher.
I’m from Detroit, and a never-in. And yes, this is pretty insulting.
I take the ad to be a staff hiring ad to man up Detroit, and to cheerlead Detroit Scientologists to get behind helping create their Detroit Ideal Org.
I didn’t take this to be an ad for Detroit non Scientologists.
The Scientologists today are drunken in their ignorance of how the world is not wishing for Scientology’s/Hubbard’s made up galactic bad-guy culprit Xenu’s “body-thetans” earth problem for which Hubbard’s Scientology layout of soul-quack-therapy and soul-exorcism is Scientology’s solution.
Scientologists are steeped in Hubbard’s prejudices and cultivated ignorance.
You’re wrong Mike……study after study has shown the way to improve illiteracy, drug abuse and mental health problems are thousands of square footage of new expensive carpeting, marble staircases and dozens of flat screen TVs
Also, an unoccupied office with a pack of Kools solves inner city violence
An ideal org will do this.
The biggest joke is the thought of COB being forced to go to Detroit. Can you imagine his security detail for that trip?! Little coward
Only one unoccupied office? I think it takes at least three unoccupied officers to store all those Kools.
Chee, thanks for spotting this. Miscavige is really onto something. A genius, that man is, really.
I’d been feeling kind of dumb the last few months s, taking my cue from magical improvements caused by Ideal Orgs, I threw out some old livingroom furniture, replaced it with new and bought a new area rug too, and what do you know, my IQ went up a little! I also notice that my reading comprehension improved. Of course, I know why. Adding up the square footage I improved, I know exactly why!
Inspired, I’m now redoing my entire bedroom, repainting, new mattress, duvet, drapes, sheets, and an antique lamp. I’ve been coveting for ages. These actions should put my IQ up at least 20 points by my calculation.
As for the bathroom and kitchen, yes, both rooms could use refurbishment and I’m sorely tempted, and I love buying towels and shower curtains and soaps and all that because I’m a bathroom person, but then the thing is, I have to control myself . After all, I don’t want to get TOO smart. So once the iQ hits 145 I’ll quit shopping.
Miscavige , you sir are a lunatic ! You warp people ‘s minds !! Shame on you. You are a ” SICK ” son of a bitch ! I promise you GOD is watching and you sir “Will burn in HE’LL ” !!!!!
He’s also a Dick Head.
Very good article Mike, so spot on !
“An Ideal Org will handle this.”
Just like the existing Morgs have handled all of the above societal problems in the cities where they are located.
The young man in the ad looks like he could be one of their duped European hostages. He’s no doubt pondering how he can get his passport back and get the hell outta there.
Get his passport back??? Bwahahahahahahahahahahah! Ain’t gonna happen.
This just shows what is wrong currently in Scientology. At the 2007 Basics event, the toxic dwarf told the crowd that Scientology needed to get anybody and everybody on the Bridge. Later, I read what LRH said about Scientology only being for the able. It made me wonder how everybody was going to go up the Bridge if only the able could do so. I used to believe that Miscavige had set the church on the correct path. Thanks to you, Mike, I now know better.
Anyway, here’s today’s installment of:
THE ADVENTURES OF BOB, MARY, AND SHAHEEN
After the disastrous meeting with the Dir I&R, Bob and Mary have ventured across the street to a house with a sign out front that says INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGY. Upon entering, they are greeted by Jim the director.
Jim: HI, guys! Welcome to Independent Scientology!
Bob: Jim? Jim Baxter? Wow! We haven’t seen you since you and Linda blew the org five years ago!
Jim(smiling): Yes, it has been a while. So, what have you guys been up to?
Bob: We just came from a meeting with the Dir I&R. One of the staff members wrote some KRs on us.
Mary: They’re not happy because we refused to help buy a Cabin Cruiser for David Miscavige.
Jim: Wait. We’re you guys at that event they had Saturday night?
Bob: Yes, we were.
Jim: Were you involved in that altercation with a police battering ram and the front gate?
Bob: I’m the one who called the cops!
Jim (let’s out a loud laugh): That’s is so cool! We were having a get together here that night and we saw the fracas that ensued. Talk about entertainment!
We never had so much fun in our entire lives!
Linda (enters the room): Hi, Bob! Hi, Mary! I liked when that police vehicle crumpled the VM van! You can look out the window and still see oil seeping out from under what’s left.(looks out window and frowns) uh, oh. Jim, they’re
back again.
Jim (groans): No. Not the Squirrel Smashers.
Mary: Who are they?
Jim: A group of Scibots from the org who come over here once a day and try to disrupt our activities. They’re always led by this heavyset black girl who looks like she’s a cross between the Nation of Islam and the Sea Org.
Mary: Cross between Nation of Islam and the Sea Org? (goes over to window and peeks out) Oh,shit! Bob! It’s Shaheen!
Bob: How did she get out of jail so fast?
Mary: Remember? They bailed her out with the money they were going to give to Miscavige for his Cabin Cruiser.
Bob: And that asshole of a Dir I&R wanted us to make good on the funds.
Jim: So, are you folks going to stay with us?
Bob: Definitely!(walks over to front door and opens it) Go fuck yourself, Shaheen!(closes door).
Jim (smiling): Welcome to Independent Scientology!
Honestly Scientology could so easily do better
At my first protest I jokingly and quite easily body routed a person into the org where I was protesting.
But honestly the problem is that the content of the Scientology texts and pseudo-therapy/exorcism isn’t worthy enough to warrant engaging and selling it to fellow people.
The subject isn’t worthy.
I always tell the Xenia story since that explains “body-thetans” and that explains OT levels 3,4,5,6 and 7.
Newbies need to get the full picture of the full Bridge.
If newbies know the full big story and still want the Bridge well okay.
But newbies need warning what is coming.
Chuck, You are correct!
Thanks for the lead on the Xenia story. Essentially, I have said the
same thing as you but about OT VIII. That is why I keep hammering home the Freewinds story about LRH in the role of Lucifer. That is why I keep drawing the lines to the 19th century spiritualist movement and Helena Blavatsky. The entire picture of Scientology is full of contradictions. All that Miscavige ever did was hide the brutal nature of the fundamental issues of Scientology from the public. He beat up the Sea Org because he could. I went back and took an objective view of Hubbard as an historical figure. He was nothing more than a child of his environment. He was nothing more than a son of Blavatsky. In fact, Hubbard was on the dark side of Blavatsky. She was pure in comparison to Hubbard. Hubbard had mental issues and created his own little world from the occult literature that was available. Rudolph Steiner invented the word “cognition”. Hubbard used it for his own ends and never gave credit to anyone. Hubbard once traced the origin of Scientology to the Vedic tradition. Scholars find more of Kant. Hubbard despised Kant. Hubbard laid out his own mind and sold it. Too bad I bought into it.
I meant Xenu, sorry, I didn’t notice my typo of Xenia, which means of course a whole big long story of the Greek gods who did duty in Greek households and elsewhere, but I suppose that “body-thetans” are just a variation of “gods” who are in amnesia trance “implant” sleep, clustering around humans today, just more soul stories Hubbard’s Xenu’s “body-thetans.”
It’s all the immaterial soul problem.
I wish we had all of Hubbard’s whole writings and lectures transcribed and searchable in a large data base.
In the INCOMM computer system(s) at the various top echelon Scientology orgs, we had searchable data bases to rumage through.
We could then see the times Hubbard referred to ANY of the other mystics in history.
The Objectives TRs Course checksheet has lectures where Hubbard talks of Plotinus, which led me to read all about him, while I did that course.
Chuck,
After reading many of Hubbard’s sources from the ancient world, I concluded that Hubbard was mostly operating on secondary information. For example, he refers to Plato but obviously read very little of the original documents. In fact, I concluded that Hubbard was an inferior Occultist as well and missed the main points of the neo-platonists. Hubbard misses Boetheus and had no knowledge of the history of the Occult. Hubbard mainly just took a few pages out of Kabballah and added in some Crowley. He was influenced by Blavatsky but never really understood her as he got her knowledge from other sources. Scientology was just slammed together. The history of body thetans was also totally missed by Hubbard. You can find this in the history of the word demons or daemons used by the Greeks. The body thetans show up in some ancient Buddhist texts but are defined as mentally created beings. Hubbard just took the ancient Greek traditions and reversed the idea of theta to conform with his Luciferian ideology. From this platform he could peak of theoretical beings.
Hubbard and Scientology are “American Junk” and this is why it is so unpopular.
“From this platform, he(Hubbard) could speak of theoretical beings.”
Note: Real time editing has not been working for me.
Thanks George, so much to learn in what you post.
Mike, I’ve always thought of you as a bitter, defrocked apostate AT THE CENTER of the internet.
I all him hero.
Should be, ‘I call him hero.’
Moscow Ideal Org is in temporary location for nearly 2 months. Fancy main building was closed by fire inspector (SP scum) due to fire alarm total malfunction. Anybody noticed? Nope, no one cares, except maybe local office workers who are tired to send to hell body routers.
Victor, on the topic of Russia, a contact of mine told me access to mikerindersblog.org had been blocked as part of a new internet crackdown. Do you know anything about that, and access to other critical sites? The only other detail I got, was that tonyortega,org was apparently still accessible. I’m guessing the censors might not have been readily able to determine that this blog was actually critical, and blacklisted it mistakenly.
Yep, I’am writing here using VPN. Mike’s blog is only one who was blocked. tony’s blog, john p capitalist, aftermath foundation, scientology money project are ok. Thing is that this blog was hit by the collateral damage, russian government is blocking IP-addresses and hundreds of cites can be at one, especially if they are using, as an example, Amazon Web Services. So i’am sure nobody was blocking this blog directly but it’s not accessible from russia without vpn (which we all use).
Some years ago , my husband and I did some tutoring at the Brand mission in Glendale.
An effort to help out families , non scientologists , with reading .
When the family obviously couldn’t afford to pay for courses , the program was shut down , deemed “out exchange”.
So much for dealing with illiteracy.
A Church? I think not.
Out exchange? Cult members are out of their minds.
“…scientology REFUSES to audit anyone who is taking any sort of psych medication?” Unless of course you are filthy rich and somehow they will work around this policy.
But wait!
Since Dear leader spent $70 million to get the word out people in Michigan have been crashing servers to find out about this remarkable technology
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&geo=US-IL&q=scientology%20tv
I’m curious what that graph is and what it means….on the left is it for people viewed? It’s not looking too good for CoS. Is this an internet thing or actually from Scientology site?
As a ‘never-in’ I’m always amazed at what dribble the church prints and believes. I taught preschool for over 25 years and my 3-year-old students made more sense. BTW, there’s a typo in the next to the last sentence. I’m guessing it is supposed to read “They seem to believe that if they merely say something it MAKES it true”?
Drivel, too.
I use to drivel to. My Mom had to wipe my face.
Let them eat marble.
With out anything to drink.
Sawdust without any butter.
Sawdust without any butter??? Shocking! How can you eat sawdust without butter?
Saying that half of Detroit is functionally illiterate is completely stupid and insulting. If they start in with that attitude they’re liable to get their asses kicked!
Yes, good point. 🙂
“That Detroit Literacy number of 47% is ultimately derived from a 1993 federal study, the National Adult Literacy Survey (NALS). The NALS, it should be noted, did not include statistics at the municipal level because the sample size – 26,000 adults nationwide — was regarded as too small for confidence at the local level.
So the 1998 study crunched raw NALS data for US counties with 1990 census data, applying a computerized “regression model” to “predict literary proficiencies for other aggregates [i.e., cities].”’
So basically, that survey is from 25 years ago, and broke all kinds of statistics protocols in applying national metrics to Detroit. And ignored the other major contributor to low literacy rates: recent immigrants to the area.
Forbes took this metric to task in this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/05/06/detroit-literacy-numbers-questionable/#1fc93306455e
And then Scientology took this bad number and repeated it without any context.
Good info Katy. Thank you.
Good article Mike. These ideal org claims are so similar. They only live in ‘now’. No past experience and recall, no balance of perspective with their own track record. Now is the only data-point or time fame that’s relevant.
Like their weekly stats. I used to mess with them when making appointments when I was still doing such things. I’d set the appointment about 2 months ahead. They never made them. Wasn’t part of their capacity.
Scientology: thy name is delusion.
Got to have a hobby I suppose. Delusional thinking is a direct response to believing Hubbard has provided all the answers you’ll ever need, & that gets really magnified by policy & force within the Scientology bubble. So much so that each and every Scientologist truly believes that one day we will all bow down to them and call them master, sir, saviours or some such dribble. They truly KNOW this. The really moronic part about their think is they don’t know they are holding life in contempt of itself. A Scientologist is at war with life and their own humanistic desires. Sec checks are a way of life for them. There is no safe ground for a Scientologist, both sides of the parapet is fraught with danger. The only asset any one of them have is the potential of waking up.
Prison of belief – good phrase.
Hmmmm, quite a conundrum isn’t it.
I ate a conundrum once. It was a bit spicy for me.
You’re meant to wash ’em first.
Ohhhh…no wonder I got the runs.
LOL, well, try it with some chips and a nice cold drink, maybe that would help.
I have a question for you Old Surfer Dude, sort of off this topic though. Why can’t the IRS use Hubbard’s own words (will just paraphrase here) that if you want to make money start a religion. First it was a science that morphed into a cult, I mean, religion.
Another conundrum I suppose.
Peggy, I don’t have a clue. But I do know that, there is nothing about science within the cult. Again, it’s all make believe.
It’s not hard for me to identify with some of what the former members here have had to go through. Not to the extent of what they (all of you) have gone through, but things that do remind me of difficult times.
It would be just such poetic justice if all these loopholes that the smarmy attorneys have used would turn in to snares for them and the abusers.
Only eat organic conundrums.
OSD, have you written up your overts and withholds on conundrums? Sounds like you need to apply “standard” Lyinetics and Lyintology, re-do the “Personal Values and Integrity” course and get honest and straight with your digestive system…
At gladu-Ate-tion, you can boast about how you “handled” your aberration on spicy foods.
You can do a little video presentation of what you were like “before…” Kinda like this scene from “Along Came Polly” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOrsDgkfC8
Since there’s never any toilet paper in the orgs, everyone will clap and sing, congratulating you for acting on the basis of the “greatest good for the greatest number” and being at cause over your colon!
I should add that at approx. 1:37 minutes into this from Along Came Polly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOrsDgkfC8
Ben Stiller’s character will “do anything to make the water go down…”
Nuff said.
Holy fucking shit! You’re right, TW! But since I’ve been in the indica for a few hits…Who the fuck are these people! Whoa…
To paraphrase Conun: “To crush your mind, to see them driven to the bank before you, and to hear the lamentations of their wallets.”
“Now Conun go play his drum.”
Speaking of the track record of the Detroit org, I’ve seem comments by old-timers that it never did well in an inner city location, and it’s now about to be moved back downtown, a good half-hour’s drive from its current suburban location and more in the midst of the “functionally illiterate” portion of the area’s population, which may actually cut down participation by whatever existing membership they have left. I suspect this move has a lot to do with Detroit being the Nation of Islam’s home and stronghold – the new location will be not so far from Muhammad Mosque No.1.
And speaking of Study Tech, the level of literacy and editing that we see from scientologists themselves, doesn’t bode well….
I tak excetion to you’re charaterization of Study Tech(tm) bieing unable to teech people to reed.
Signed, David Miscavige
To: zemoo
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: the above comments
I did not make that comment! My spelling is far superior to the above (thank you, Dan Sherman!). As Grand Exalted Ruler of The MEST Universe, I declare my spelling skills to be above all others!
So watch yourself, zemoo!
ML
Dave
To: David Miscavige COB RTC
From: Alcoboy
Re: your educational skills
Dave, you’re a high school dropout so shut the fuck up!
No love at all
Alcoboy
Alcoboy, I always enjoy your spontaneous communications to COB, but for some reason, just as seeing only the top of Miscavige’s head appearing behind the podium in RB’s Funnies never fails to tickle my funny bone, your “No love at all”, cracks me to some degree, every time. There are certain things that are always funny to me, no matter how often repeated and this line of yours is one of them. Don’t ask me why! Just saying 🙂
In fact, I really wish someone still in the cult would write to me ending the letter with their phony, go-to “Much love” just so I could have an excuse to write back and end with your (hilarious to me. for some reason ) “No love at all” complimentary close.
zeemoo, it is a common misudnerstnading thta fokls need to spell corerctly to read and udnerstnad the writeten word in fornt of them. Any OSA net nanny readnig this will unduobtalby be so ovrewhlemed by MUs that they will fall aslpee on the job and thier stats will crsah. This is problaby so confuisng and FOOLproof it colud be uesd as serect code by SPs evreywhere to aoivd the cutl’s Fiar Game tech.
Foolproof???!!!!! Did you just say His name?
Yo Eff Pee,
Speak up and set all of us straight good buddy????
What really happened to Effy? Was he/she/it an OSA plant or some other form of a modified $cientologist in some sort of standing.
I have to admit I was fooled by FOOLproof. At first I thought that he/she/it was a Hubbard apologist indie. I have no problem with those folks. Although I don’t agree with them most of the time, I think that they have an important role in the conversation in the scientology critic community. FOOLproof revealed itself as an OSA stooge by the simple fact of not being able to carry on a simple conversation without drifting into utter stupidity and personal attack. FOOL is a half-assed troll at best trying to derail any comments that might be constructive. Don’t feed the trolls folks. Let the OSA folks get their stats up someplace else.
Yes, Ms.B, foolproof was no different than those German spies during World War I I who came over here posing as Americans and we’re able to pull it off until they did something stupid like eat a hamburger with a knife and fork.
Ms. B, he has been officially renamed, Logicproof. As that is an accurate description of that cult member.
The only ideal aspect of new Orgs if for Miscabage; it brings him lots of money.
The rest? Well he does not care if people really need help.
A rotten soul indeed.
He certainly didn’t worry about Lisa McPherson.
Correct