While we await the season finale episode tonight, which I hope you will find to be one of the best, I wanted to further address the smears leveled at Chantal and Sherry. (BTW there are 3 more specials coming too…)
As has been my practice, I generally put some sort of response to the smears scientology publishes on the contributors to The Aftermath.
Following last week’s episode featuring Chantal Dodson and Sherry Ollins, I did just that, after scientology posted their bs before the episode even aired. I responded with the information I knew at the time (i.e. that everything scientology ever says about their victims is a lie, or carefully worded to distort the truth).
Chantal and Sherry subsequently provided additional information that sheds a whole new light on the bs operation of the scientology smear machine. The depth of their deceit is breathtaking.
Let’s set the stage. Remember, scientology refers to EVERY SINGLE CONTRIBUTOR to The Aftermath as “UNVETTED.” This has become their catchphrase — Aftermath is a show with Leah Remini’s “unvetted” liars (they claim it was a “bombshell” that Leah said she didn’t “vet” contributors on the show even though obviously legal does — it’s not her job to do so)…
Now, let’s take a look at scientology’s supposedly “well-vetted” sources.
Chantal Dodson:
In fact, Michael Graves is Chantal’s step-cousin and she has not seen him in 23 years.
But he did reach out to Chantal to disconnect from her. Fortunately Chantal kept screenshots of his messages a couple of years ago. He claims she was happy in the Sea Org and never complained about anything (yeah, right…)
Well Michael, let’s see what the Ethics Officer thinks when they see this message. As you said, you are “well aware of all kinds of shit that went down,” and “I am absolutely positive you have justified upset…”
They made a big deal about Chantal attending public school. In fact she attended Martin Luther King Junior high for three months during ninth grade and that is the last schooling she had and the extent of her formal education as a member of the Sea Org.
Regarding use of weed, I responded with “So, call the FBI” because in this day and age only zealots think anyone would be outraged to hear that someone smokes marijuana. My guess is there are more people who smoke weed in this country than smoke cigarettes these days. Well, it turns out the truth is even more damning for scientology: Chantal is allergic to THC (and opiates) — she cannot smoke weed. So scientology once again gets a big raspberry.
They also claim she had “an affair” with a florist. This was after she left the Sea Org and her then husband refused to leave with her. She did marry the florist and got pregnant. But he turned out to be a convicted felon and alcoholic. This is the “vetted source” scientology relies on who “called the church asking for assistance because Chantal had another man in the house.” Well, true, he did call the church. But they “forgot” or “failed to vet” a few minor details: He had ABANDONED Chantal and his children. He was in and out of prison. He is a deadbeat dad who owes $39,000 in child support to Chantal. This fine specimen of a man is on the lam, last heard from about a year ago he contacted Chantal’s daughter and explained he had spent six months in jail for drug trafficking in Arizona.
And again, unlike scientology, here are some of the DOCUMENTS.
And finally with respect to Chantal: They further smear her with tales about her being promiscuous. This is just victim shaming and has NOTHING to do with her claims of abuse in scientology (unless you consider being married at age 14 to another SO member aged 14 in order to have a room together being “promiscuous”).
But Chantal wanted me to know that she DID have one affair. With a married man. This paragon of virtue’s name is Johnny Hillman — and he is still in scientology either on OT VII or an OT VIII. He keeps giving money to scientology so he is above reproach. But here is the rest of the story about Johnny Hillman — he didn’t just have an affair with Chantal. At the SAME TIME he was conducting affairs with FOUR OTHER WOMEN. Yes, five in all. This all while he was doing his OT levels at AOLA.
And yet scientology cries “Chantal could not live up to the high ethical standards of scientology.” Hah. But Johnny Hillman passed with flying colors…
Such hypocrisy.
Sherry Ollins:
Scientology really had practically nothing to say about Sherry. Except they talked about how she had promoted her half-sister to get psychiatric care (which is proof if ever it was needed that these smear sites are ONLY intended for scientologists who end up in the Ethics Office for having watched the show when they should have been reading an LRH book — nobody else would think there was anything wrong with this).
They omitted just a bit of information (surprising eh?).
Sherry’s half-sister Serafin is 7 years younger. They share the same mother (Adriana Castle aka Ace Lewis) who is also Stefan’s mother. Serafin’s father, Ben Lewis, was Sherry’s stepfather growing up.
Serafin grew up in Washington D.C. under the same conditions as Sherry: poverty, always in the nursery, spotty education etc.
In 1989 when she was 12 years old, while her mother was away in New York, she was recruited for the Sea Org and went to Flag. She was in the Sea Org there for four years.
While Serafin was in Clearwater, an older Sea Org member molested her. She told on him and apparently he was RPF’d. Serafin was heavily interrogated after the incident — the predator was her senior and the incident caused a lot of trouble and as a result there was considerable resentment towards Serafin. She left the Sea Org when she was 16 and returned to D.C. She started getting into difficulties there (fighting with some neighborhood kids, etc.) and her mother and step dad asked if she could come live with Sherry. She moved to LA and was taken in by Sherry. After a year she got her own place. Here is how Sherry describes Serafin:
I didn’t know what I was looking at, at the time but clearly my sister was already descending into mental illness. She had severe mood swings, problems with people and erratic behavior. Over the next several years she actually worked a job and went to college at night and even got accepted to Berkeley (quite an achievement for someone with next to no education). But her mental illness was getting worse and worse and she did indeed have psychotic episodes while traveling in Europe. When she was at Berkeley, it got even worse and she never graduated.
For the last ten years, Serafin has been in state institutions. She has schizoaffective disorder, Bipolar type and at least one personality disorder.
There is a lot of evidence that says that if schizophrenia is caught early and treated early, that the illness can be greatly reduced and managed and people can lead almost a normal life. However, once the brain “goes there”, it is hard to get it back. Serafin is among the most mentally ill patients out there and her life is quite tragic.
We will never know what might have happened if she had grown up in a stable, supportive environment. One theory is that if a person has a predisposition to this type of mental illness, it’s as if they start with their cup “half full” if you will. Then if their environment is extremely stressful and damaging, it can fill up that cup and quickly overflow. Who knows?
What I do know is that the church worked my sister as a minor for four years, did not report her molestation to the police, and taxed all family resources that might otherwise have gone to getting her help and support.
Quite a different picture than scientology tries to paint.
Here is a picture of Sherry with her sister as children.
I have been following this blog and others for almost a year now since season 1 of Aftermath. Thank you so much for everything you and Leah are doing to expose this cult. However, and please excuse my ignorance, but isn’t defamation of character illegal and why can’t the cult be sued for it regarding these campaign smears?
I can only speak for myself — I do not have the time nor the money to engage in a legal battle with scientology. There are not many (if any) lawyers who would take a libel/slander case against scientology on contingency. The legal arena scales of “justice” tip heavily in favor of he who has the most money.
I believe a more effective avenue is in the court of public opinion and through government action.
But the BIG question here is: why doesn’t scientology sue over all the “lies” that are being told about them? They have unlimited resources??
Mike, you are spot on!
Mike,
I believe that Scientology does not sue because litigation would open all of their files and documentation to be subject to subpoena. Through “discovery”, the realities of Scientology would manifest themselves and become public record. Scientology would never allow truth to stand in the way of their agenda !
Dave F.
I’ve wondered why they haven’t sued A&E myself. I’m aware we live in the land of “fake media” like Scientology’s rebuttals to Aftermath, but it still makes absolutely no sense to me that they would 1. keep coming up with the same BS they say about every member that leaves and speaks out. and 2. that they wouldn’t sue Leah and Mike personally. I’m not protecting Scientology on any level, however, I do wonder why they haven’t responded through the media and why the big three haven’t reported more on Scientology since Aftermath. Usually the big three feed off of each other’s info. Isn’t A&E big enough for them to feed from? If you corner and kick an animal too long they will strike back. I’m beginning to be completely perplexed by why they haven’t done this. Obviously their membership numbers are down and Aftermath has a lot to do with new signers. Is this to protect what little they have left? Certainly they wouldn’t want those members wash to lift if they drew attention to themselves.
They seem to follow the same format as the Catholic Church, but the Church offers forgiveness and a code of privacy to their members. It’s almost like LRH took certain things from the Catholic Church (i.e. confessing sins) in order to protect himself and his cult from persecution. Is that correct? There’s a lot of opposites that are strikingly similar on some level. First being the cross. As a Christian (not Catholic) I’m appalled by this. I do see many similarities though and have to wonder if LRH or the higher ranking officials used some aspects of the Catholic Church to draw people in and then use it against them to keep them there or to use it in the court systems to protect themselves. This was touched on a bit in the last short Aftermath. I was thankful, but wanted more information on this.
Christians don’t generally read things like Dianetics or policies of Scientology for fear that it’s satan or false prophecies. Asking Christians to do so is probably limiting your wealth of Christian backing…just an FYI. I would watch out that Scientology doesn’t use to the Church on a much larger scale, since Christianity is currently in the beginnings of persecution themselves. They did so after being questioned about their .01 percent of African American membership. Freedom of Religion is a huge issue within Christian Churches…the hot topic per say…and it would be terrible if someone within “Science” would perpetrate them that way. There’s always the radicals out there that may take this on.
Beth there is a simple explanation. The lies the church says in rebuttal are NOT meant for the general public. They are directed at the membership of the church. They don’t care about opinion outside the church.
Wynski, I appreciate your response to one of my questions. If that’s the bottom line, ex-Scientologists are in for a big let down. Furthermore, if they don’t care about the “outside world”, why are there policies concerning it?
The teachings and practices of this cult are reprehensible! What they did to Mary was such a huge betrayal and I pray that her family recovers from this and that her son will have his eyes and heart opened.
Can you imagine the private things that this org knows about its celebrities? Blackmail material I am sure. This has been on my heart ever since I learned about this horrible auditing practice and the lack of integrity in this org’s leadership. Mary’s story this week proves how unethical they are. Who knows what Leah and others have actually gone through?
I am a Christian and I’ve been praying for Scientologists to put their faith and trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ. That’s where they will find the eternity they are seeking so diligently.
Come on fellow Christians. Let’s pray together for these lovely people!
Scientologists world-wide have been purposely kept from the single most shocking and enturbulating information ever known to man. This is something that LRH was hinting at in OT-VIII materials. The thing that will finally bring utter laughter (maniacal, not humorous) and pure reality into the minds of all scientologists is learning that LRH is nothing more than an engram!
This fact alone will tie together the entire world of scientology and it will become clear that this is what LRH was sent here to do. Everything will finally make horrifying sense. The most devious trick Xenu ever played on mankind and thetans was to bring LRH into the MEST universe. LRH is a thetan who refuses to move from a point. He is doing exactly what he mentions in OT-XVIII: he is exercising his power by using his ability to hold a position in space. He is asserting/exerting his ultimate power to occupy a point. He never totally gives up. LRH is indeed a remnant of R6, along with Jesus Christ. Just as predicted in OT-XVIII HCO BULLITEN OF 1 OCTOBER 1969, LRH has mocked up his departure as part of the action of mocking up the point he is leaving. This, unwittingly, gives him a picture, an engram.
OT-XVIII specifically deals with why thetans mock up. The irony is deep and undeniable: LRH was the ultimate engram, the ultimate deception played on mankind. However, the good news is that once LRH’s true nature and identity have been revealed, the true perfection of the MEST universe will be completed…in time, of course. But, this is the new tech. This is the new golden age we hear about.
Working with this you will see a door open to a higher level than Dianetic R3R. But realize
that it is only for a high level thetan.
Huh??
Mike,
That was my reaction, too . . . I’m waiting for a “translation” of what “Nick O. Teen” said !
Dave F.
Hmm . . . I’m not exactly sure how to respond to all of that ( a rare occurrence ). I hope the Mike responds to you !
Humour?
That sounds like it was an expensive lesson. Is he the yoga teacher at my gym? Something does seem off about that guy and have heard others described him as some sort of pirate.
At the expense of sounding rude . . . What the Hell are you talking about, Nick O. Teen ?
I think and explanation or “translation” is in order here !
Internet Day at the Spin Bin again is it Nick O. Teen?
So, “Nick O. Teen” is one of “Xenu’s Homeboys” ?
Go home Nick O. Teen. You’re drunk. If Mike’s response was “huh??” I’m not even gonna try.
azhlynne,
Nick O. Teen is WORSE than “drunk” . . . He is a Scientologist TROLL, high on the exhaust fumes of XENU’s DC-8 . . . LOL ! ! !
Dave F.
That’s a very respectable brainfart!
Thanks Mike and Leah,
long overdue expose on Uncle L-Rons cult.
This guy was nothing more than a drugged out and drunk penny a word pulp fiction writer, who got thrown out of the Navy with the clap and proceeded to leave his wife and family to perform odd sex acts in order to manifest his “elemental” with a known occultist. He then proceeded to miss-use his newly gained power of hypnotism to brainwash people into a confidence game by selling them their freedom, for the price of their soul.
It was once astutely said of L-Ron: The difference between a charlatan and a crank is that the charlatan knows he’s scamming the people, whereas a crank actually believes his misguided ideas are good. But, there is nothing preventing one from being both a charlatan, and a crank…. So there you have if folks, he was not only ignorant and naively arrogant about it, but also unscrupulous.
It’s about time the public wrote up KRs on CO$, they are so out ethics, and have more with-holds and engrams than Zenu’s crop of R6 brainwashed Thetans here on Teegeack.
I bet if we ran L-Ron, or COB Miss-Cabbage on the meter they would have full rock slams. It’s time that the church members “dissconnect” from DM, as he is not only a PTS but the biggest SP living (L-Ron is the original SP). Yeah, time for a little taste of their own medicine: Black PR, Dead Agenting, Ethics Handling, maybe DM needs some time doing lower conditions on the RFP’s RFP. in the chain locker.. keep on hitting ’em back at ’em Mike and Leah, you guys rock!
Season III I’m ready.
You said it very well. Mike and Leah fan..!! Compelling and sickening
**Standing Ovation** ???
Best Comment Ever!!! ???
I hope everyone whose been attacked online by Scientology is comforted with the knowledge that those who aren’t Scientologists wouldn’t have any reason to research their names.
I hope, no, I’m sure these ladies know they are surrounded by a loving and supportive group of X’s now, anytime anywhere. Tragic touching story from beginning to end, and about Sherry’s sister, god bless her.
Scientology NEVER lets TRUTH stand in the WAY of their AGENDA . . .
Time for them to LOSE !
The Spanish version of Aftermath starts tonight in South America. Here in Ecuador it’s in Spanish without subtitles. The translation on season one was excellent. Here, the series is titled ” Slaves of Scientology” (Esclavados de Cienciología). I have lived here a year, and have not seen one mention of Dn or Scn in any media, print or broadcast. Just Leah and Mike shredding it.
Oof, what a powerful episode.
“No, c’mon I just have something in my eye…both my eyes”
The roads you and Leah took that filled your lives with undeserved pain produced two heros. Very inspiring, keep up the great work.
-R.G.
Don’t be weary in well- doing and know that your fight is with principalities of evil, some living in the souls and minds of those you know. Many are praying for you and Leah as you both work to expose the darkness. The truth will set people free.
PHtits? yespleez
never miss an episode.. raised as Catholic but open to beliefs of other religions. Saddened that this “cult” continues and still exists. Thankful to you and Leah for exposing all the unethical practices and giving people a platform to open up and share their experiences. Hoping this exposure will help shut down this vial organization. Keep it going!! Continue on
Well done Mike & Leah – I know that Ramina is just the first of many.
I wonder how many OSA minions, tasked with watching to estimate the damage & perhaps find SOME pretense to sue, are going to flee the bubble as a result. Rank and file sheeple of course will be unaffected. They’d not watch, to protect their “case gain” and fixed ideas. Hopefully, some will sneak a look, leave, and experience case gain like they’ve never gotten from that lying group, as they discover the real world which includes love, compassion, and folks who do good just because it’s the right thing to do.
It’s a whole lot less stressful out here than “in”, particularly once you build up a good circle of friends. HINT: hook up with “us apostates”. We’re willing and able to lend non-judgmental ears and offer the wisdom of experience in shedding the implanted thought-stopping instilled by Scientology. We can help identify and remove the stimulus-response mechanisms that made all of us “Tubby’s slaves”
So much hope in this episode! Continuing to root for people to be free and families to knit back together.
Uh oh.. I clicked on the interview with Chantal’s cousin ( step cousin) and it didn’t work! I’m wondering if someone from Xenu’s crew messed with it! I would not put it past them! Can’t wait for the finale to begin!!!
I clicked on it also, and the same results of no video.
…sitting at my computer, working on a project whilst watching TV, and of course tonight it is Leah, Mike, Chantal and her mother Remina. I feel something on my long shirt sleeves, and I wonder what it is, but of course it is tears that have fallen, and my throat is tightening up, all because out of one eye I am watching Chantal’s reunion with her mother. Wow.
Scientology’s lame little smear videos make the cult look SO bad. The schoolyard bully tactics, name calling, and ad hominem attacks only serve to demonstrate that scientology is an infantile organization run by a petulant child.
And I am personally glad they keep doing these childish antics. Anything that helps to turn people away from scientology in disgust is fine by me. So keep it up, infants.
Is there any meat left below the ankles after all the foot bullet damage, Dave Miscavige?
No, they’re all using prosthetics.
On a light note, your tie was awesome tonight! Love and prayers to all of you!
Thank u for this. Can’t wait to tune in tonight.
Hello Everyone.
Got a message from SAM CLUTZ.
It has the police blog of LRH being attested for petty theft of I believe check passing. on August 8, 1948. It sure made my day, and I hope puts a smile on your face also.
He would cuddle that asshole. Now, if we only had Ted Kopple back. He shredded the dwarf.
The asshole is David Miscavige.
Walton, that’s Scientology. A vicious, evil, toxic, militant, authoritarian, family destroying cult. The good news is, they’re under 20,000 members worldwide…and falling.
Around 6000 members (actually far less when you subtract the trolls and fake names) gave a damn about the lame-ass petition to remove the Aftermath program from A&E’s lineup.
John P. Capitalist did a number crunch the other day on Tony Ortega’s blog and also came up with around 20,000 members, but however many remain, I’d love to know how many “active” members have said to themselves silently, “screw this gong show, I’m done with it all.” Probably a hell of a lot.
20,000 > 2,000 > 200 > 20 > 2 > 1 > 0
Hallelujah, a cleared planet!
Moxie, now that’s Surfer Powers! I mean Super Powers. I love the countdown!
Like the internet, Hubbard never predicted the speed of Scientology’s dwindling spiral. So much for knowing how to know.
John Hillman works in Clearwater at National Title Company. I think he may be an owner too. Last I knew he was married to Ike Kesbom’s daughter Starr. They make good $ there.
As a mother of 4 wonderful sons, my heart breaks for Sherry and her kid sister, Seraphim. Childhood neglect and abuse can lead to a host of mental illnesses because without the proper spiritual, mental and physical stimulation from loving parents or caregivers, the young brain does not develop properly. Being a good parent is NOT an easy part-time job; it’s a life long commitment. And spending 30 minutes a week with your youngster ain’t going to cut it either. This is common sense and something that other religious denominations normally recognize–except for the Co$. Ugh.
Great comment, Theresa L. Thanks.
Another excellent response, with facts to back it up (and heart-breaking as well). While many of us can just laugh off this ridiculous nonsense that comes out of this so-called “church”, and many of the show’s contributors probably also realize it’s nonsense, I would imagine that, on some level, it can still be painful for them to hear the garbage that the “church” and some of their former friends and family members put out there. Great job Mike in standing up for them. It’s always easier to have someone else defend you than for you to try to defend yourself. You do it well for these individuals.
Great post.Thank you for shining the light on the lies of the cult.It is much nicer to read the truth.
Michal, lying comes as easily to Scientologists, as breathing comes to the rest of us.
I have been following this show from the beginning. It is very interesting and informative. What I don’t understand is that everyone in Scientology forgets that L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer. Don’t they wonder if everything he wrote, Dianetics, and all of the laws, rules, and series of books are science fiction as well? Didn’t he pull off the best science fiction of all? It’s all amazing to me how this has gone on for so long.
I love the show and hope it will continue for more seasons to come. Thank you, Mike and Leah and your whole team who put the show together. May God keep you safe as you share the stories of so many.
L. Ron Hubbard referred to Scientology and Dianetics as his serious endeavors. He took these literally, and expected Scientologists to take them literally.
Nancy, IMO, Ron was a pulp fiction writer, and only incidentally a Scifi writer. There, he was a legend in his own mind, much like his being “the war hero”. Once I escaped Flag and had money,I went searching for his SF and found little (even in the big used stores near work) and none that were particularly memorable. The late-life verbal diarrhea of “Battlefield Earth” and the “decology” were particularly forgettable. I remember that series as so execrable, I can’t be bothered to get up and look up its title even though it’s just 10 feet away in a bookcase. ( I don’t throw books away, not even ones THAT bad.)
I know this is a little bit late, but I must apologize (OT: long story short – my 51 yr old buttt is ticking of bucket list items after a heart attack in June – I am in a Christmas pantomime on Dec 2nd playing an awful old woman that tries to ruin Xmas – lots and LOTS of panicky rehearsals…)..
Anyway..
I will catch up on this episode soon enough. But, from having read the posts and comments, well, it really upset me. I am the daughter of a mentally ill person. Life was horrific growing up for me – my brother was ALWAYS spared her anger. When we got her on meds? There was a brief reprieve. This lasted until my dad died in 2009. Now, she won’t keep up with her meds and appts and there is zero I can do about it. She hasn’t spoken to me in just over 2 yrs – our houses are just over 8 mins away from one another. I know, because I walk past every day.
To hear about the suffering of those with mental illness, really breaks my heart. Poor Serafin – that picture was so adorable:(((( I can only hope that somehow, sometime things will get ‘better’ and people will find at least a small measure of peace. I know it isn’t easy. but without hope, what are we?
Thankyou Mike, Leah, A & E and all those that told their stories. Just know this – NOONE believes the rubbish smear sites. Noone. It makes them look so damn stupid.
I do hope there will be a S3. I find it odd saying this, because this is about real people, and horrific situations. But, it is opening people’s eyes and reuniting families, in an no bullshite way, with kindness and compassion and love.
xxx
I hope that there will be no need for season 3, for lack of a target. Instead, recent escapees could use real-world tips and support in their personal “aftermaths”
Mike thank you for the work you are doing! Just a quick question not sure if you know the answer
Is it true that Scientology is building in Detroit?
If they are what a shame there are so many people here who have nothing and they will take more than these people have nothing!
From what I saw in a posting about the “Ideal Detroit Org” about 2-3 years ago, it was a boarded up building near the downtown area with Do Not Enter signs on it. It was a neglected piece of you-know-what. Wonder what has happened in the last few years. SOMEone is collecting all the money Detroit people have donated to get that building fixed up…..
gato rojo, apparently they are actually starting to work on the Detroit “ideal” org. I suspect it has been prioritized because the Nation of Islam is strong in Detroit, but whatever the rationale, they seem to be focusing on getting some of the most embarrassingly stalled projects done finally – often where the buildings have sat so long, that legal and PR problems are mounting – and ensuring that Miscavige has 4 to 6 of these ribbon yankings per year that he can take credit for to keep up the illusion of “expansion.” And I’m fairly sure that the small number of people left in Detroit never managed to collect all the money required to renovation to Miscavige’s “ideal” standards, and that the project is being bailed out with money from international management, which seems to be the case with most of the projects getting done at this point.
David Miscavige, ecclesiastical leader of Scientology, or more accurately described as the Wanker Yanker.
It is a crying shame that ALL of the Orgs do not have DO NOT ENTER signs out front…
They don’t really need them.
Hi Carole, I’m in Detroit and I saw something on the news about it a couple of months ago, haven’t heard anything about it since.
Lorrie, particularly in the cases where Scientology has one of these historic buildings that has been left to decay for years and years, because the local members can’t raise the money for fancy renovations required to make an “ideal” org of it, they sometimes issue statements and get pieces in the news, that make it seem as if they’re going to do something, perhaps to try to forestall some action like condemnation of the property. The Battle Creek org is a classic example of pronouncements that end up in the news, that never come to pass.
However, I’ve seen signs on the Detroit project, that usually indicate that it is one of the ones that is actually about to get done. But it’s typical for Scientology that things may still proceed slowly, until they get in a final panic to have it ready for a planned grand opening.
it would be great to hear reports from any locals who are keeping an eye on what’s actually going on.
It’s great that you stick up for your ‘people’, Mike. That is so not scientology, which breeds morale cowardice as policy. Yea for Leah and Mike – and ALL your ‘People’. Thank you all.
You have shown the world, are showing the world, true courage and self-determination. 🙂
As far as marijuana is concerned its legal in Colorado. .to purchase and use. In California u can obtain medical marijuana for certain conditions. ..when Scn uses that to criticize. Its stupid
Also… recreational use of pot becomes legal in California effective January 1, 2018.
The latest research shows that there is an endocannabinoid system in the body that recognizes and utilizes the major constituents of cannabinoids in pot. Its an herbal medicine and on one has ever died from on overdose of pot.
Davey boy, you’re kicking a dead horse on this one… stupid is as stupid does. You’re stuck in the the 20th century.
WA state legalized 1997 and went recreational Jan. 2017. Maybe if Lil Davey eats a few medibles he would become couch locked. Then quickly place the couch and him on the sidewalk and see what happens haha.
Oregon state legalized pot also.
Mike and Leah’s show is one of the few on TV that both my wife and I watch together. It is just riveting! We really knew nothing about $cientology before seeing this show. It is reaching a huge audience who are totally clueless about this evil cult. Keep fighting the good fight, Mike! Also, LRH had some seriously bad teeth. LOL!
The person they smear the most is Marty Rathbun, whom they call a violent psychopath in three different sites, and they use HIM to rebut you, Leah, Larry Wright, etc.
From your episode, I read much of sherry’s posts on her experiences. much respect to her for being so strong. She and all that have walked this path to clarity have strength that is admirable.
I don’t need any “proof” to know that the people who come on the show and make themselves completely vulnerable about the worst moments of their lives are telling the truth. But, I have to admit, it is SO nice when you show something as damning as those texts and police reports. Validation!
Just when you think you’ve heard or seen it all… The boundless deceit, vindictiveness and immorality of this “most ethical group on the planet” is nothing less than mind boggling. Meanwhile members “in good standing” busily mimic up-toneness by neglecting reality sufficient to please the e-meter; like conditioned lab rats. Being curious about or finding out the truth of this organization equals a “dirty needle” (OMG!) so they mustn’t go there. Looks to me like $cn is very busy doing itself in. Hmm, didn’t the founder say something about criminals doing themselves in? DM must have missed that memo. Whether OSA, SO, org staff or regular members, ALL are complicit.
I’m kinda curious?? Last season, as you were doing your show, at times, you were followed by some PI’s who were obviously watching both of you. You (Mike) confronted one or both of them and they seemed to go away, maybe!?!?
As this series of really gut wrenching episodes air, I wonder what scientology is doing to attempt to continue to interfere?
I have gone on the website dedicated to smearing the participants of the show and basically hear the same things over and over. scientology, as you point out (I’ve read all of your devastating responses to these infantile smear campaigns) always attack the character of the individual, but never the facts.
Hopefully, there is a third season, but I would suggest an episode idea: why not show all of us how scientology tries it’s dirty tricks on you and Leah (There is ample videos showing their tactics, going thru your trash was priceless). You are obviously followed by PI’s in Florida and LA, why not lead them on a wild goose chase, ending up at the PI’s own offices where you can confront them, or, have PI’s follow these PI’s. Maybe you can harass them? How about having some real detectives with you that can confront these individuals and ask for credentials in front of your camera?? It would be a real hoot to see how scientology is soo desperate to discredit you and how easy it is for you to discredit them.
One more comment about the LA DA. From what has been said about the past investigations that have been performed by the LAPD, it seems as though any investigation is compromised by some in the LAPD that are either sympathetic to scientology or being paid by scientology to inform them of any pending investigations. I know the rape charge against the lizard masterson is being slow processed, but maybe a complaint to the Federal authorities about undue influence by scientology in both the LAPD and LA DA offices would shake things up! I’m not sure what type of complaint to the Feds would be used, but it may be worth it to talk to your lawyers and see how creative they could be to bringing the Feds in to investigate the LA DA’s office, maybe it would shake things up and speed things along in the masterson’s investigation. Like Tony would say “Just Sayin!”
To close, I would say that the more you expose of this cancerous organization, maybe the more real scientolgists who see the program will defect. I think that is the real success this program does. Good luck, and I would love a third season.
The continued “vetting” comments and attempt to smear those who speak out against the abuse by scientology is pathetic. I watched and listened to Nathan Rich and Tara Reile speak after the episode they were on and shared/compared their experiences with appearing on the show. It was very clear A&E verified all aspects of their account of being in Scientology and their knowledge of life at the “camp”. Nathan and Tara spoke about not knowing or speaking to either Ms. Remini or Mr. Rinder prior to sitting down to speak about their experience. They both confirmed there was no script. Ms. Remini and Mr. Rinder allowed them to talk and they asked questions as the conversation unfolded. What you see is what you get. If this is all the scientology public relations department can come up with and use smear tactics, you almost have to have pity for them. Almost….. keep up the good work. You are making a difference in the lives of many people. Both of you and the people/families affected by this cult continue to be in my prayers.
$CN/ ( Demented Midget) has obviously decided to fight in an arena he has no real-life experience in, no one with requisite experience or intelligence, and thinks he can wage a war in social media using 19th century weapons– without any effective ammo. Thus, when he fires s/g off, it’s invariably a footbullet. THERE, at least, his aim is impeccable; the only time it is. It’s as if he WANTS the self-damage; perhaps to garner some pity, I suppose.
Poor lil’ Davey-boy!
No matter how many times scio responds with an “attack”, all that ever happens is that it gets handled by Mike or Tony with REAL VERIFIED FACTS. This makes scio look more and more stupid, more and more venal and more and more anti-LIFE. Their ship has been hulled, the water is pouring in, their “pumps” are ineffective and the Sea Org is fast drowning in entheta! May they go down rapidly!
That name Johnny Hillman rings a tiny bell for me. Was he at Gold at one time? Anybody know?
Same here Dan. I see a white, freckled, short blond haired kid (~15-16 yrs old), working in the galley with Tony. Not sure if my memory is correct.
Jackson, you around?
Just so you know – there are three things I wish for concerning this blog and its intentions.
One is to live long enough to see the downfall of the Scientology Organisation, the other is to have a beer with Old Surfer Dude. The third is to meet you personally and “have a little chat” with you about my experience with those scientific experts and the use of the so called science you worship who haven’t lived with the first hand experience of the carnage they are so sure makes this world a better and safer place. Your freedom of speech was assured by many sacrifices of people far less “educated or opinionated” than yourself. Life is a sweet thing, but there are some who go out of their way to sour it for others. I would like to put my training toward eradicating at least some of that bitterness.
It would be my pleasure and honor to throw back some suds with you, I Yawn. I know you’re in a different country, but, I hope we can make it happen. We’re two peas from the same pod…
You betcha! Be an honour mate. If you ever make it down-under, let me know.
I am constantly badgered to return to the US and spend some time with the family & relatives over there. That’s what I love about the US, they are so family oriented and get all funny if you don’t show up for Thanksgiving and family events etc at least every now and again. Even have an invite of a stay at a cabin in Montana for hunting & fishing. Would love to fish some of those spring creeks. (I don’t like guns anymore so the animals are safe from me). Wiliest trout in the world and it’s all catch & release, so there’s plenty of ’em, but very well educated – I’d love the challenge!
I’ll let ya know if that ever eventuates.
I yawn, you’re drunk again. Also I have served. Out of uniform, out of country and without a unit around me backing me up. So, STFU.
If we ever had that “little chat” it would be your last.
Easy…
Blah, blah, blah … serving with or without a uniform?? wtf has that got to do with anything? You one of those black pyjama people, a shadow operative? That’d explain your uncalled for and offensive responses to people you don’t know I suppose. Serving doesn’t make you honourable, it’s the respect for and of others that does that. You have proven yourself time and time again on this site of being a very rude and personally offensive individual. I’ve heard and seen it all before meeting people like you personally and I’m still alive. I’ll make a special effort just for you to be sober when the lights go out.
You have yourself a good day.
Dan, I found him. It is the same guy as at Gold. Look at the pic. http://info.nwtc.com/about-our-leader-john-hillman-ceo
Think he married the daughter of a church whale.
Whoa! I just started watching this on Netflix.
John is my brother.
I think I’m missing something!
Mike, this blog is a regular stop in my morning routine. Your point of view is really important and vital and your writing is superb. That you are living life so well now with lovely family and returned, enhanced humanity after leaving $ci speaks volumes. It is good work that you are doing and it makes a difference.
You are able to deconstruct $ci policy and attendant actions in a unique way. You combine the macro and the micro views seamlessly.
That said, I think the postings that are my favorites are the ones like today where you take the vicious spew bubbling forth from $ci and turn it right around and send it back to them. Today’s posting is a classic. It is funny and scathing and yet infused with an appreciation and warmth for the brave souls speaking out about the abuses.
Glenn, I agree. Way to go, Mike!
Mike & Leah are a force to be reckoned with. They have done something the cult wasn’t ready for.
Yes, Old Surfer Dude, that’s for sure.
Aftermath Success Story
Recently I visited friends who are never-ins and staunch Christians. They remarked that they had been following the A&E Aftermath episodes and were shocked at the Scientology behavior. They told me that what Scientology is doing is simply not acceptable in this day and in this country. They were relieved to learn that I had distanced myself from all of that ‘insanity’ over 30 years ago and that I was not hounded after or harassed by them in the present.
Good for Leah and Mike, and each of their guests!
Just when I thought my opinion of the CoS could not take any more hits or get any lower, I read this and know that they are worse than I thought.
Abusive lying psychotics just doesn’t describe how base they are.
Tim-S, they can get a whole lot worse. It’s just ingrained in there mind set.
Thanks Mike for keeping us informed on the smears and then following it up with the truth because I refuse to get on to their website.
Agreed. I haven’t taken the time to look at any of that garbage either; none. The first and last time I crossed paths with that sort of thing was when I was still in and saw a copy of Freedom rag. It contained a smear on Rathbun, Mike, Amy and a few others and emulated the worst possible, most over the top Tabloid crap. Seriously, it was cartoon-ish and made up of such obvious and exaggerated BS that it practically came across as satire. That was what actually planted the seed which eventually blossomed into my departure. I have no need to look at any of the current crop as it only serves to reward the cretins that post it. Almost sounds like a corollary to the bubble dwellers who won’t look at this blog etc. The difference is that I could read the trash if I felt like it or if someone paid me enough but it would have be sufficient to outweigh the fact that I consider reading such junk to be something of an insult to those that are speaking out.
I follow & read all the comments here and Mike you are so focused with your writing and your voice Roars in dms night terrors because you speak the Truth in the face of their lies and lies and lies, ????
Hi Ann, haven’t seen you around for awhile. Hope all is well with you. Cheers… and keep warm!
Hey, Ann, welcome back!
First i have to say “Nooooooooo!!! not the finale, not yet – dammit – seems like it just started” Second what an amazing impact this show has had, congratulations to all. I have cried almost every episode so heart wrenching. And for Scientology to say they are lying, acting or embellishing is just ludicrous. These people would have to be Meryl Streep to put on such a convincing and emotionally raw performance. I wish all the participants future success.
I vote “YES” to season 3
Not even Meryl Streep could pull that off.
Would absolutely love a season 3. There are so many more ex-$cientologists out there who have stories to tell and can be less afraid to tell them because of “Aftermath.”
I sooooo want a Season 3. It is needed. The TA is moving, so we must keep it up. Mike, you and Leah are doing such a good job. It is really changing things. And in time, the church will come down and maybe then all of us who have family who disconnected because of the church will have them back again in our lives.
Scientology, The National Enquirer of religions.
LOL! Yep!
Would love to see David Miscavige interviewed by Howard Stern.
Stern would cuddle that asshole! Now, if Ted Kopple came back, he would shred the dwarf like he did the first time.
Don’t know Howard (just googled him), but I like to see Bryan Seymour and maybe Nick Xenophon as guest panelists of interviewers of Miscavige on Howard’s radio show. Be lots of fun!
Both would be great!
Pot smokers and sex maniacs. That is soooo ’50s
I’m so stoned right now…
You had better watch Reffer Madness before it’s too late! 😉
Boom shut down. Good job mike.
Note to self: never piss off Mike Rinder 😛
At this point it doesn’t even occur to me to listen to anything Scientology has to say about the Show or any of the brave, hurting people who come forward. I know without a shadow of a doubt that anything the Organization has to say will not be worth listening to. Deceit is part and parcel of the Scientology world. When this show first aired I admit I only watched it because I was a huge fan of Leah’s and I was curious. Now I watch it because I feel like I need to. I need to stand as a witness for all of those who have brutally suffered at the hands of this cult. I need to watch, to witness, to support and to reach out on Twitter, here on Mike’s blog, and on FB to give my own messages of love and support. I read Leah’s book as well as the others on Mike’s list. I ask questions and try to educate myself about this cult of pain and chaos. All of you who have walked the path of COS and broken free, I applaud you. I respect you. I hear you and support you. As far as the whole “bring up a person’s past” goes. So what? Who cares? There is not a single person breathing right now who hasn’t done things they regret. We ALL have a past of one sort or another. Who cares? What matters is now. What matters is that most of us learned from our youth and indiscretions and mistakes and have grown up. Still none of us are perfect and life is as it is. We fail, we move on. Scientology’s only recourse to what Mike and Leah are doing is to act like 4th grade schoolyard bullies. They name call and point fingers but at the end of the day who cares? The bullies are still bullies and the rest of us are living our lives. Yes words sting. Yes the victims of this emotional, financial, spiritual and physical gang bang by COS are hurting and lost. But with help, love and support all of you will find your way. Scientology attacks. They are proud of it. But they are also on the defence because trying to fight the truth is akin to Sisyphus rolling his rock. Impossible. In this case that boulder is going to eventually roll right over D.M and COS and crush them completely. So for now they lie and attack and skew the truth in their desperation and blindness. Leah and Mike are having none of it and with every step they take the light exposes the truth.
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Very well said azhlynne!
4th Grade bully is the mentality of David Miscavige. He might have dropped out of school when he was 16, but he dropped out mentally when he was in the 4th Grade.
Also, there is one more aspect of what the church spews on its site about contributors to the show besides bringing up the person’s past and that is actual lies. The site states that in 1978 I had an affair with a married staff member. First off, like you said, who cares what I did in 1978 but secondly, it is a LIE. I never had an affair with a married man – ever; I never abandoned a child and I never disconnected (twist on their policy of disconnection) from my son Sammy (or anyone – ever). So, they just flat out lie as well.
So much for honesty and case gain, eh?
Mary, when I watched you on the Show my heart just broke for you when you spoke of Sammy. All I wanted to do was reach through the TV and hug you. I am SO sorry that this horrible cult has kept your son from you. I pray that one day Sammy will show up at your door and just crush you in the biggest hug ever. Those who keep perpetuating this evil will have a lot to answer for one day. Who cares if the Planet is Cleared if there is no one left to live there? COS destroys what is most important- family. That’s based upon LRH’s own actions. He was a toxic, deceitful man toward his wives and his children. His life was a broken template for the disregard COS now has towards relationships and children. I hope he is twirling slowly on a rotisserie on one of the deepest rings of Hell for the pain you and others have had to endure!
BTW- you never signed anything saying you would never sue them for Slander. They are publicly lying about you all over the internet. Sue them! Nowhere in those so called Agreements does it say you would never sue them for attacking you. Further, you are no longer a Scientologist so the agreements do not apply anymore. Sue them for slander and libel!
I love that visual of Sammy coming through the door and giving me the biggest hug ever.
yes yes yes.
Mary, your story brings tears to my eyes and i have watched it many times. I hope you are ok and healing from the abuse of many years. I greatly admire your bravery in telling your story.
Thank you Debbie. I miss my son terribly but I’m good. I’m very blessed in my life.
Your son will come out, Mary, I have a feeling about this. 🙂
I also hope that your son will at some point in time see “Aftermath” and realize that he has been conned like everyone else and reunite with you.
Thank you so much for your story of having your family member getting a letter from the cult, and when she answer the phone call from the cult, and they turned it into a much appreciated response to their letter, and made an false video (not very well done actually) denouncing you, and pretending the person speaking was actually from your family. I guess it does not register with DM and gang that the truth can and is shown for the whole World to see what kind of low and dishonest tactics they are using. One nail at a time in the coffin of the cult called Scientology.
While at it, I was so happy that Chantal’s mom Chantal quit the cult and reunited with her. 40+ years as a member, and suddenly quit the cult in favor of her daughter was wonderful. Leah, Mike, and everyone else who has come forward to tell their story, a big thank you, and this shows that your hard work is starting to bear positive results in people’s lives.
Mary as you stated – “The site states that in 1978 I had an affair with a married staff member. First off, like you said, who cares what I did in 1978 but secondly, it is a LIE.”
Exactly, who gives a crap now (or then) what you did? How relevant is this to present time? How perverse to spew lies like this?
Makes me wonder about all the closeted perversions hidden in DM’s and all those in OSA.
Hi Mary! You are so courageous speaking out on the injustices you have been suffering at the hand of this awful organization. My heart goes out to you and all of the other survivors!
Oopsy…seems like every time the cult follows the orders of the Ghost of Elron to “always attack, never defend,” they just make things worse for themselves!
But, oh my sweet Xenu, Michael Graves really shit and then fell back in it there by admitting that he was “quite aware of all kinds of shit that went down back in the day”.
Stupid $cilon, you should know that you can’t leave documentary evidence of your knowledge of the cult’s crimes and abuses lying around like that! Now you’re going to get dragged into ethics and interrogated endlessly at YOUR expense until you tell all and accept your punishment for acknowledging your awareness of cult crimes and abuses.
Instead of going through that painful and expensive ordeal, why not choose this moment to escape the cult and rejoin us here in the Land of the Living, where no one is ever going to coerce you into making hostage videos designed to do further harm to church’s victims? Now is the time to follow Rumina and GTFO of the cult before they turn on you for telling what you know to be the truth!
Oh, and by the way, when it comes to crimes and abuses against children that have been knowingly carried out by a powerful organization of adults, THERE IS NEVER TWO SIDES TO THaT STORY!!!
Thanks for the insights, Mike. Sounds like you’re spot-on as usual. I hope these two ladies continue to make progress in their recovery and it seems they’re well on their way.
Wow..just wow they’re ruthless
Yep – Read “Ruthless” It’s an eye opener.
The photo of Sherry and Serafin is lovely and I’m desperately sorry to hear how unwell Serafin has been.
Just the most terrific article today. I wanted to climb on my chair and cheer! Mike is a father lion protecting all the amazing contributors to Aftermath. It’s personal for him so his support doesn’t end once each episode has aired. Go Mike! Go Aftermath!
Well said. What Mike has done and continues to do, so many in the background cheering. I’m a never in, but such a big fan of Mike’s.
Just take a flamethrower to scamology and be done with it. When you find black mold in the walls of your house you do not try to “reform” it. You KILL it.
Thank you for sharing this. It was a pattern I came to realize in the Sea Org- it is always explained away as ‘yeah that shouldn’t have happened, but those people aren’t in charge anymore’. And then after years, one realizes that most everyone isn’t there anymore, it’s just a merry-go-round of different faces doing the same things, using the same excuses from the words of LRH.
I simply cannot get enough of this show. I’m humbled by the bravery, that the men, women and children of this vicious cult exhibit when they leave. It is gratifying to see them in the real world, making real connections with real people. It’s so very important to keep doing this show, I truly hope there is a real change and justice is done to stop this insanity. I don’t know who Mike Rinder is personally, or who he was while part of this cult, but the man he is now, is a beautiful soul.
Gypsysoul,
What you wrote! I second.
The picture of Sherry and Serafin really touched me. It illustrates in such a sweet simple way the love between these innocent little sisters. It is abhorrent that a “church” systematically, as a part of it’s policies, abuses children. Heartbreaking. For that reason alone Scientology needs to justifiably be taken down. Aftermath is doing such an amazing job of exposing the criminal nature of many scientology policies. Leah, Mike and all of the contributors are breathtakingly brave in sharing their stories with such transparency. Keep up the good fight and know that you have countless people surrounding you with support and good will.
Great post, Mike. So informative as usual. Looking forward to tonight’s finale. You and Leah are rock stars; keep it up. You’re both doing a fantastic job.
Mike,
The one thing I never do is listen to Scientology attempt to destroy the individuals telling their stories. I read a few books many years ago about what Scientology is about and thought it’s a cult pure and simple. I applaud the courage of you, Leah and others who tell their stories in an attempt to let the public know what the leader of Scientology is doing and how people suffer on a daily basis.
People that served on staff with me and some that are still on staff…..are secretly contacting me…..and have secretly watched A&E.
They are PISSED! HORRIFIED! Feel betrayed by their “Church”…..
I just listen. I don’t say a word.
Mike and Leah – VWD – the truth will set them all free.
Please continue this show. Expose the truth about Scientology, L Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige.
Scientology is a total SCAM.
Your Show … that won an Emmy – about Scientology; The Aftermath…. is the effective blow that could effectively shut down Scientology and lock up David Miscavige for his crimes….once and for all!
Interesting. I don’t agree about DM, since they would have to get through his RTC Lawyer Org first. DM has boasted about being able to take down that NLD lawyer in Amsterdam, and I spoke to a lawyer that refused to speak about a case because Scientology was involved. True enough.
I agree regarding the effective blow, but you could help by getting your friend staff members to blow. The list for weak points: cheap labor (staff), WISE companies, and bad PR ads.
Belgium I guess, not Amsterdam.
Computer guy –
After reading Tony O’s preview for tonight about someone else (who seemed like a total die hard) who watched Aftermath, was disgusted at what she saw so she left and now reading your comment that you’re hearing from those still-in who’ve watched and are appalled… wow I’m just SO happy & hopeful we’ll hear more stories of those no one could imagine would leave CO$ will see the show and do just that!
Thank you for being such a good friend, just listening and giving them a safe space to talk about it and process. It’s such a contrast for you to respond this way, when everyone else around them is telling them what to think, read and do vs just listening and being a friend, like you did!
Thank you Jennyfurr….Believe me….The staff are in total doubt….most of them won’t admit it.
I know – I was there.
If they admit it – they get punished.
No public are coming into any Orgs because of the internet.
The few public that are in are also in doubt. It gets expensive for them to express that doubt so they just don’t come in.
I am grateful that I lived long enough to find out the truth about Scientology and watch it go down.
Leah Remini and Mike Rinder saved my life. Due to the courage and persistence to expose this evil cult for what it really is….you have freed many from the slave labor camps and extortion rings called FLAG and other Orgs.
You are the true humanitarians. Thank you with all of my heart.
Computer Guy, the internet is their Waterloo. And no…I’m not talking about a bathroom. It really is just a matter of time now. With the cult completely barron of new people, the calapse is just waiting to happen.
“…Believe me…the staff are in total doubt…most of them won’t admit it.”
Computer Guy, this, and what you shared before is all VERY good news!
I’m itching for details of course but I’m taking what you’ve shared on faith because, 1) some encouraging news about actual facts being pondered by the cultstaff instead of the usual propaganda is making my day, and 2) what kind of a psychopath would come here and make good news like this up out of whole cloth?
(No offense, please, I’m just doing my own private mental data sort-thru out loud on paper.)
Ok, to continue…well, that’s it, actually! VERY good news, CG, and thanks!
Computer Guy, thanks for sharing what you can.
If that’s representative of what’s going on in all the orgs, its YUGE! Hopefully if that’s what’s really going on, we’ll get more comments confirming it.
I am so glad that Mike and Leah are doing this program and exposing Scientology for the cult that they are. Thank you both.
I am so happy to see that this episode is reuniting Chantal with her mother.
The story of Serafin, however, is so sad. The church of scientology should definitely stay out of the mental health business – and while they’re at it – it should stay out of the spiritual health business.
BTW, Johnny Hilman is an OSA flying monkey. I know this because OSA trotted him out to try and get a friend of mind to go in and get “handled.” So, he’s a whore in more ways than one. And just for the record, he IS OT VIII, spent many months there getting “handled” and then was allowed to do OT VIII and apparently he came out of that experience with flying monkey colors.
So, Johnny Hilman is not only an OSA flying monkey, but he was having secret affairs with 5, count ’em, five, women at the same time and breaking hearts all over the place while on OT VIII. And of course, all of that with no slap on the wrist from the church. If he’s paying money for OT VIII, then the church takes the money and keeps their mouth shut and looks the other way. This is ethics and justice in the C of $. I know another parishoner who is on OT VII who was “doing” 3 women at the same time while keeping it all secret so that none of them knew about the other women. He finally got caught, got KR’s written on him, and the church again looked the other way. But they did make him pay for a tailor made sec check, which was more money in their coffers. But other than that he got off scott free. So if you’re on an OT level and regularly paying the church money, your crimes are overlooked. Money talks.
It’s funny that the cherch drags out Chantal’s past relationships. Mike Graves cheated on his wife, the mother of his 4 or 5 children and destroyed his marriage. He’s in no position to talk.
Perhaps he will be the next international speaker to give a sermon on how to apply $cientology ethics and child dianetics to your ‘second dynamic’ and win.
🙂
It looks like Michael Graves will be re-doing some of his courses with that ‘justified upset’ comment.
Dear Solo C/S at Flog ……………….Get on it!
Dear Alphonso in the Flog ‘unethical dept’ …………….. You can no doubt get some lean green out of Michael when he returns for a ‘refresher’. A couple course redos, lowered conditions (big buyout here) esp when he is getting around to ‘thine effective blow to the enemy’ cleverly disguised as a severe reduction in bank balance or rapid rise in credit. BTW, How is Jasmin these days?
Yo Julian,
What can a guy do? Work all day, work all night and who gives a shit? And all the while there continue to be radar duckers, on the fencers, the no-eventers, the I’m brokers; sheesh Julian, people just keep leaving and whatareyagonnadoaboutit? BTW, You know who has their house in escrow so that means there will be around $150K to extract (maybe a little less) pretty soon.
Laughter! You’re merciless, Newcomer.
That’s one of his best traits!
Great post! I’m sorry to hear that tonight’s episode is the season finale. It seems as if it just got started.
I believe two more “special” episode are still to be aired, thankfully!
I just posted the below comment on yesterday’s blog but I guess it’ll never get seen there, so I’m re-posting. I’m amazed how much mental illness there is in scientology, and in a way it makes me feel a bit more relieved about my story…
Well, my story is that my wife was on staff (won’t say where, we still have family…) and had a psychotic break some years ago, literally on org premises. She has never been the same since. For 10 years we persisted with scn solutions, which included many, many PAB 6s. I know that’s technical for many, but it consists of peace and quiet, doing physical work and exercise. Utterly useless, but according to the org they never worked as they ought to only because my wife was ‘out-ethics’. The woman was not herself, for Christ’s sake! That led to a looong and expensive trip to ANZO for auditing that included the famous Introspection rundown.
She came out of all that considerably worse than she went in. Frankly, a zombie. She remained on staff as a completely useless staff member for another 10 years, with ethics being rammed down her throat and mine. I was regarded as being equally to blame because “it happened on my watch”. Not the org’s you’ll note, despite her being there 16 hours a day. I got onto auditing lines during this time, primarily to try handle her situation (vicariously) and you can imagine the make-wrong I endured as my auditing made absolutely no difference. This situation, and the lack of results from scn, resulted in me and my wife leaving scn.
I was of course still vehemently anti-psychiatry, and it took several more years to finally (and painfully, as it still went against my beliefs at the time) to search out a solution through psychiatry. She’s now diagnosed bipolar and been on medication about five years, and it has made a small improvement – but at least it is an improvement even if a major disappointment. But in contrast, scn had made her worse. I would still look for a solution through psychiatry, and based on some of the comments here can see the solution is probably to add some psychoanalysis to the mix, which is currently missing. My wife remains rooted in the scn mindframe, however, and misses no opportunity to stop taking her medication.
I’m sorry for you and your wife. I hope she continues to get the help she needs. Perhaps she can build a network of non scientology friends.
My heart breaks for your family. All those years that they continued to make her work and exercise and do totally useless crap must have broke your heart. Not to mention all of the horrible stress that they put you through I am horrified that they would actually blame you! I am glad she is a little better but I’m sure the stress and heartbreak haven’t diminished much for you and I can just pray that she continues to improve and I’m so glad that you got out of Scientology when you did. My heartfelt best wishes to you both
I’m sorry Walton. So many of these stories (I have my own) where a mental illness could have been diagnosed and treatment begun early in life and it would have been easier. To use terms I know you will understand – I hope your wife gets False Data Striping from the insidious lies we all were brainwashed/ indoctrinated to believe. It’s impossiable to be happy in a life full of lies. There are counselors that specialize in cult behaviors. Search for the Open Minds Foundation created by some of the best of the best on this subject. Good for you continuing to help your wife 🙂
Walton thank you for sharing your story. My heart goes out to you. One question though: was your wife in the SO and you were not? I thought it was against the rules to have one member of a 2D in the SO while the other member of the 2D was not in the SO? Or were you also in the SO at that time? A PAB 6 is generally good for anyone as it calls for rest, nutrition, vitamins, gentle walks, putting order into your mest (things), and finishing cycles of action, all things that we all could benefit from. But in the case of severe psychosis and Bi Polar and etc, more than just that is needed. And the Introspection R/D is the exact opposite of what anyone having mental problems needs. Looking inward to the chaos and insanity rather than looking outward to extrovert is just plain Black Dianetics or Black Scn as far as I’m concerned. Good luck to you both.
So sad about Sherry’s sister and family negligence. Pathetic on the ‘dead agenting’ crap the cult tries so desperately to spew out against credible information provided by these women. . Happy that Chantel’s mom stepped up after seeing the show. More evidence that scientologists are able to find their way out. Kudos to those who have spoken up, or have left. Prayers for Serafin