Another in the series of posts about the insane practice of scientologists plucking statements from “Ron” and presenting them as the most valuable words of wisdom in the history of language.
This is apparently an “amazing” quote:
What is so brilliant about this gibberish? And what are you supposed to DO with it?
Another sad exposition of cult mentality — the words of the leader can never be questioned or doubted. Scientologists firmly believe that IF Hubbard said it, it is not merely “true” but a profound pronouncement based on unassailable research. After all, he said he did research, so that must be true too.
By the way, I heard a couple of weeks ago that the Mission Holder of this South Coast Mission, the repeated winner of the international “Birthday Game” as the “best mission in the world” was summarily declared a Suppressive Person.
Another “overnight SP” it would seem. Yesterday she was lauded. Today she is shunned and no doubt all sorts of rumors have been spread that she is a drug user, child-abuser and wears army boots.
Such is life in the bubble of scientology. Be thankful you are not there.
As I am being somewhat “summoned” again below to cast doubt and aspersions and raise Mike’s comments stat, on yet another scraping of the bottom of the barrel article from Mike (there’s about enough “substance” in this article to turn over a windswept leaf (but only when there is a foul gust of wind)) – I’d better explain the comment from LRH for all the fools here who can’t read:
Now, (and listen up), what LRH is actually saying is that if anyone posts a critical comment here then you know straight away that they have bees in their bonnet and should be avoided like the plague of locusts that they are! Simple eh? There is yet another hidden sub-depth of meaning (LRH is very clever!) which is: do not go and have (even 1) coffee with such people as they will regale you with stories of how they were not cause about anything and spend all their time bemoaning this fact. These are the sort of people who believe that if you run a false April Fool’s version of “OT8” wrongly then you will spontaneously combust! I mean, well, you couldn’t make it up, or could you?
So for those who are not quite (yet) swimming around in the sump of their horrendous whole track crimes, I will use Method 7 word clearing (which Mike’s mate Dave has cancelled – probably because even Dave has gotten fed up with trying to explain things). So – what LRH was saying for you mere mortals and sub-humans who can’t read quite straightforward English, is if you create something or some special and outstanding effect, say like being the inventor of Microsoft Windows, or coming up with the idea of Facebook so all can have a natter about something, then you are quite proud of it. And no, for the fool who thought cause is an emotion – “cause” is not an emotion – it’s “cause”, the creation of something outstanding CAUSES an emotion of whatever the person feels about it. Ok now? Probably not eh? So if still not, try again in 10,000 years. You see, this is why LRH invented Study Tech, so fools like you lot at least had a chance. Good of him eh?
Always happy to see you here. That’s not a sarcastic comment. You bring a unique perspective that is good for people to see.
Pleasure Mike. We all like a good laugh and “Scientology”, or Dave’s version of it anyway or rather the ambience in which it was delivered, became too serious for me. But try to avoid the little barbs as in your last sentence though. It will stand you in good stead when you eventually do your A-E!
My barbs? Your house is all glass FP.
FP, what’s necessarily different about “Dave’s version” of Scientology?
Did you read the historical statement posted on Tony Ortega’s website describing inconsistent and bad auditing, tyrannical and sometimes violent-leaning leadership meting out harsh ethics, and an excessive focus on money including soliciting out-and-out gifts from members – in the late 1960s at St. Hill under Hubbard, as recounted by the “first clear” and Hubbard-designated “Pope” of Scientology, John McMaster?
https://tonyortega.org/2018/06/07/testimony-by-the-worlds-first-real-clear-part-two-scientology-is-designed-to-entrap-people
As far as I can tell, what Miscavige has done is really mostly just to continue the project Hubbard started when he trained up the Sea Org and sent it off the ships and in to Scientology, of making all of the organization run like the Apollo with its boiler room and chain lockers, feeding cash into bank accounts by the pallet-load. Miscavige has had to adapt a bit to keep things going into the 21st century, but perhaps the more things change, the more they stay the same….
PeaceMaker, trying to teach LogicProof is like trying to teach a rock..
One could say, “Hubtard has already ‘taught him well’.”
“As far as you can tell”? If you weren’t in Scientology before (and after) 1982 then you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about as you are basing your “data” on the Borg-based criticism from here and Ortega’s web site, which basically are the opinions of a few score of disgruntled people or people who have some other bee in their bonnets about Scientology. You are also basing your opinion of Scientology on the petty foibles of some few of its members, and not on the actual subject matter itself. And even those (when they exist and are not just hearsay opinion of said disgruntled people) are, compared to the crimes of psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry, peanuts! Why don’t you evaluate some importances and spend your time attacking those 2 subjects? Or is there something about Scientology that scares you?
There are a lot more sources of information than that FP.
There are court records. Books. TV shows. From a myriad of sources.
Your opinions are based on books, lectures and TV shows from a single source.
Your personal opinion does not actually matter — you dismiss all opinions to the contrary as being invalid, so you cannot rely on your own (haha)
I also read (some of) these reports you mention, and still I cannot see how you can compare Scientology’s “crimes” which are very few and mostly non-serious and over 7 decades, to other real crimes. Unless you have a vested interest to bloat their importance to convince others that such is the case? Scientology’s crimes are laughable in comparison to dcotor’s, psychiatrists and other “worthy” gentlemen.
“Whataboutism” is the fallback for those without any other argument.
I would hazard a guess that the per capita criminal acts of scientology are right up at the top of the “mental health” heap. Can you imagine if scientology didn’t actually refuse to treat those with real mental problems what the score might be? Lisa McPherson is an example of what happens when they try to actually deal with those people. The crimes of psychiatry might not seem so horrendous by comparison. Scientology actually has a tremendously bad record of dealing with the truly insane.
And what branch of doctoring do you think commits all these criminal acts (compared to how many people it helps)? Just curious about this one?
Or is this simply based on Hubbard telling you the “AMA” is bad because they rejected Dianetics? Is that the evidence you are basing this on?
And I have read most of the books and seen the talk shows. In the end there is nothing or hardly anything of any real substance to substantiate the use of the word “crime”. I am not defending Scientology here, contrary to what you may think, just stating what I consider to be the truth on this matter. If the Catholic Church were being accused and I saw the same set of “facts” representing “crimes”, I would state the same.
Hahaha. You obviously have no clue what crimes are and don’t want to know. I give you a list because you say there are none and then you say it’s not impressive. If you had evidence Hubbard beat his wife, married bigamously and disowned his own children you would explain what a wonderful family man he was because that is what you have been told.
It saddens me to watch you announce your delusion every time you post, while asserting you are the only one who sees and everyone else is a “failed case”, has “M/U,s” is an SP, has out lists, bypassed case, is PTS or various other labels scientologists love so much as it makes them feel superior and enlightened when dealing with the wogs.
You seem to be an articulate person. But you display so many of the worst aspects of the deluded.
But that is why I encourage you to post. You are like John Alex Wood on Twitter. He has done more to destroy the reputation of Scientology than anyone since Tommy Davis with his deluded attacks on the wogs.
Or could we say here “those resorting to accusing others of ‘whataboutism’, fall back on this so-called argument when their argument is shown to be a load of nonsense?”, as Aqua did recently. Let’s see how this works out, admittedly exaggerated but serves the purpose as none are being too bright this morning – Johnny steals some candy from his local store and Attila the Hun wipes out whole societies. A comparison is made of the two crimes and Attila’s (actual) crimes are ignored and all the concentration is still made on Johnny. Get it now? What about that then?
Hypotheticals don’t wiggle you out of this one FP. These are not the whataboutisms you used. You excused the crimes of Scientology by saying whatabout psychs and doctors.
Sorry but the “you had to have been there” argument just does not cut it!
This claim assumes that “being in” makes a person better informed about abuses happening in an organization than someone “on the outside” studying the evidence. It falsely presupposes that such an “inside” person has access to the whole picture–just by “being in.” It also assumes that a willing participant in an organization–in a highly controlled/controlling one in this case–is somehow more objective than someone who has not made that same commitment to be part of and conform to the group. It’s like saying a person can only hold a valid viewpoint on the Catholic abuse scandal if they studied the catechism faithfully, before and after the incidents; except for the fact that it’s readily apparent that these abuses gravely violated Catholic church law while abusiveness is built into the policies of the scientology “church” per Hubbard’s express dictates.
Nor does the “actual subject matter” distraction. Even if Hubbard were indeed the only person to have ever had a true handle on the human condition, how does that in any way justify his abusive policies and practices? Jim Jones claimed to be a Christian minister and he was (at least at some point) engaged in several laudable social projects. When he is rightfully condemned as a monster is this really unfair unless one considers that he also operated a few soup kitchens and subscribed to a religion that many others would agree with? Can Stalin or Mao be justified for enslaving and killing millions because they did so for the sake of an infallible ideology that would supposedly lead to a utopia?
Even if one were to buy into either one of these two arguments of yours, your mindset is well illustrated by your “shoot the messenger” rhetoric. At least Peacemaker showed enough humility to qualify his statements with “as far as I can tell.” He allowed for the fact that one may be off on a point or two when forming a conclusion. You would do well to learn from his attitude!
Perhaps you could then understand the fundamental fallacy behind dismissing evidence in its entirety because it was published on Ortega’s blog or because it came from someone who decided that they were done with scientology. Confuse cause and effect much?
But it’s patently absurd to try and twist this into a matter of someone criticizing abuses simply because “something about Scientology scares” them? Indeed, a world run by Hubbard (or his minions) would be extremely scary. But let’s get real, THAT is the last of anyone’s worries! There are hundreds of more plausible explanations why someone may object to an organization’s abuses, before or after 1982!
Evaluation of data here seems to be based on the commenters personal bias and their unswerving bias regardless of the facts involved. Now, if such was the case with myself, how do you explain then my non-support of those things now in Scientology that I find disagreeable, such as the IAS and Ideal Org donations scams, or the change in tack of the SO rules of coercing abortions, amongst probably quite a few other things? Even Mike and others getting beaten up is not Ok! These are worthy of criticism. Strangely enough (for you) they are all contrary to the Founder’s wishes and policies. But when I see something that is completely exaggerated and twisted to present a totally false idea of something in order to forward some agenda – I will comment and say that such is nonsense.
Todd, FP (aka Logicproof) really wasn’t “in” as far as being abe to know anything other than what he read from the “church”.
As a comparison: FP was a Deacon under the priest at Parish in a small village on the Kamchatka peninsula in 1800 trying to pretend he knows what is happening sub rosa in the Vatican with the Pope.
FP, have you read any of McMaster’s statement? If you’re unable to evaluate data for yourself, I think that pretty much undermines anything else you might try to claim.
I tend to qualify my statements, rather than using the false absolute certainty that some people seem to find attractive. That’s a sign of the sort of critical thinking that Hubbard apparently didn’t appreciate, and didn’t teach.
Yes, I was “in” before and after 1982. And it turns out that I had family who’d known Hubbard in New York and Hollywood back before even Dianetics, who shed some interesting light on things. I’ve also tracked down and talked to a lot of old-timers who went back as far as actually having worked with, and for, Hubbard. So I probably know a lot more about “source,” from people who were actually there, than you do.
And if not McMasters, who else would you suggest we read, to get insight and corroboration about what Hubbard was like, and how Dianetics and Scientology actually evolved? It seems that almost no one who knew and worked with Hubbard, and was involved in developing the “tech,” ended up with much favorable to say about either, which really is a red flag.
I am not posting comments on here to convince anyone that Dianetics and Scientology works. If you can’t make up your own mind after reading some of the materials but instead basing it on the natterings of others about Hubbard’s petty foibles and mannerisms, which are not the subject of Scientology, then no matter what I say will be pointless. I suggest you either make up your mind one way or the other and leave it that instead of being in a constant quandary about it all!
Wow, Dave canceled Method 7 huh? Sounds like a big tech degrade. Probably should be sent to the RPF.
I totally agree. Method 7 was a very good form of word clearing for foreign students. So was Method 5 generally. And as was HCO PL Spot Checks, all cancelled. Did you hope to press some sort of defensive button there with your comment? Try some other line.
Like Mike said, your house is made of glass and is indeed fragile. I would strongly recommend laying off the venom laced kool-aid as well as the verbal data. Also, a name change is in order – I vote for Proved Fool. Have a nice day!
Verbal data? Are you now a student of Scientology then? Would you word clear the above text? Trying desperately now to make me wrong about something as your last ploy failed utterly? Why don’t you “visit” your local psychiatric “hospital” and find something there to criticize? I am sure the amount of deaths and ill-treatment will give you plenty of ammunition and you will definitely find something wrong there, to your critical hearts content!
Or like Aquamarine, you are going to list the “vast crimes” of Scientology now only to find out (when the so-called list is written) that after 70 years of existence, even under Miscavige, they are relatively and virtually non-existent. Mike and a few others got a few smacks around the chops (probably deservedly – haha – sorry Mike) and a few reporters were hounded and I am sure you can now carry on with the lacking-any-substance list and anybody with any sense will just smirk! (And don’t now start with the “are you condoning people getting a few smacks around the chops”, as I’m not.)
Here, I’ll provide a better list for the not-too-bright (haha…)
Largest Infiltration of US Government Agencies in history
Greatest Theft of documents from Govt Agencies in history
False Imprisonment
Wire Tapping
Kidnapping
Assault and Battery
Forced Abortions
Human Trafficking
Defamation
Mistreatment of the Elderly
Child Abuse
Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress
Theft
Fraud
Grand Larceny
Neglect
Loss of Consortium
Those are from legal cases and criminal prosecutions. Might have missed a few.
Then there are the more anecdotal:
Destroying thousands of families
Forcing many into bankruptcy
Stealing the minds and free will of those who participate (you being high on that list… haha)
Haha! What a bunch of hot air! The list you have composed sounds very grand and impressive for those who are just tuning in or don’t have a clue anyway. Now I am not defending Miscavige’s church but really this is you just listing mostly a load of old nonsense that in the end amounted to nothing over the space of 70 years! Which of these court cases actually came to something for the prosecution? A few probably, most not. Most of it is just your opinion. I also find the “forced abortions” distasteful but as I read the women involved had a choice and made it. For changing the ethos of this in the SO this was something that Miscavige should be upbraided for but nevertheless your implication is that these women were dragged screaming to do so. As for the grandiose sounding stealing of government documents a la Watergate these were mostly documents containing false reports written by psychs and dopey judges briefed by psychs which a few GO dudes were trying to replace or remove and as I recall MSH went to prison for stealing photocopying paper. Hardly the crime of the century as you are making it out to be.
And as for “participation”, did you not order many of these horrendous gargantuan “crimes” and activities yourself? Why didn’t you go to prison for them then? Or aren’t they as serious as you are making them out to be? Haha!
Brilliant response.
Per capita, the list of criminal accomplishments of scientology is quite remarkable. Imagine 11 leaders of any other organization sent to jail for “nothing really” (according to your statement — by the way have you ever read the 150 page Stipulation of Evidence in that case?).
You no doubt cheer the exposure of “psych crimes” though there are 150,000 of them in the US and perhaps 1,000 auditors.
Scientology has a pretty impressive track record on the criminal front.
And if you think systemic Assault and Battery, False Imprisonment, Human Trafficking and Kidnapping are OK, well you must be a scientologist.
Oh, that solves the puzzle….
Stealing photocopying paper? You truly are deluded.
That wa the party line scientology ran in the 80’s. You just know FP knows only what he has been told about these crimes. He has not read the stipulation of evidence or any of the seized documents. But he won’t admit to that I am sure.
Spoken like a truly criminal insane person Logicproof. A death penalty level crime is “nothing” since it was committed by Hubtard.
That’s the 100% foolproof we’ve come to know. Give us more. You’re on a roll!
You speak with a lot of authority here! Are you even aware of the fact that the vast majority of psychiatric patients receive outpatient treatment? Regardless, did YOU ever visit a psychiatric ward? Did YOU ever witness any “deaths” and “ill treatment” there? Or did you just visit one of the cult’s exhibits on the “Industry of Death” instead and swallow their claims whole?
Or perhaps you prefer uneducated Tom Cruise’s or uneducated Hubbard’s bar-stool expert pronouncements? Or if you still believe even less educated Miscavige’s “Siberia USA” hoax, may I suggest a quick google search on the topic? Forget about the e-meter; bring a lie counter!
If psychiatry is really this awful–and it was a lot less evolved 70 years ago–why did Hubbard’s “research” lift so much from it to begin with? You would think the all-knowing one could have found a better, ahem, “source” for his amazing discoveries than ill-digested popular science of the “psych” variety!
Visitor, his name always was LogicProof
Logic challenged indeed. Kind of like Alanzo with copious amounts of vitriol.
Good comparison Visitor.
HE’S BACK!!!
I gotta say this strikes a cord with me. I went through years and years of struggling to study “source” and listening to people’s amazing realizations, while I’d literally have to re-read a paragraph several times before I could convince myself that something was meant by the statement given… total gibberish.
Question, Mike, and others familiar with the legality of these things: How can a Scientology mission call itself the “Orange County Life Improvement Center” and offer “mental health” services, marriage counseling, etc, on its website without disclosing anywhere that it is an entity of Scientology, and that the counseling it offers is Scientology auditing? I’m flabbergasted. http://www.southcoastmission.com/counseling-orange-county/
I just called the number on their website – 949-544-1565. A pre-recorded voice said “This call may be recorded for quality and training purposes”, then it diverted to another line, rang some more and a live woman’s voice picked up. I’m on the east coast and its 11:40PM now so its unlikely that the girl answering was the mission’s receptionist, more likely its her personal cell.
But, yes, utterly amazing that on their website not a whisper about Scientology, not the vaguest hint! Amazing and yet extremely good news because this is proof of how toxic the words “Dianetics”, “Scientoogy” AND SO FORTH now are.
Sunny, because they are not legally required to.
> This is basically saying that whatever you *believe* is true, is true.
This is the reason why the term ‘faith’ exists, and the reason why religions promote it as being a good idea instead of an incredibly bad idea. Uncoupling your beliefs from evidence and your methods from results may carry you along for a while, but only until you hit the brick wall of reality. Scientology decided to go this route the moment Ron’s first clear couldn’t remember what tie he was wearing; and it’s what is destroying the religious right now as they double down on their awfulness and drive their members away even more. Instead of, you know, looking at what they’re doing wrong and addressing it, they ‘believe’ that they’re right. In both cases the answer is to do more of what isn’t working.
“…the religious right now as they double down on their awfulness and drive their members away even more.”
Your mouth to God’s ears, James Rosso.
Not my relatives, unfortunately. Their “faith” has now spilled over into how or why people get elected.
My evangelical relatives now tell me solemnly that Trump’s presidency was pre-ordained. God sent him, or Jesus looked down from heaven or something and decided that this is what we needed.
Don’t laugh. From what I read, my benighted cousins are far from alone in this insanity. Its not just a handful of pastors holding sway in rural areas of the Deep South. This is coming from the leaders at the very top of the C/R.. God sent this president, and that – you heretical coastal elites destined for eternal fire – is that. End of discussion.
I have faith in the young people. In trying to fathom the meaning of life, in their search for truth, for answers to questions men have been asking for eons. I have faith that they’ll use common sense.
The only appropriate response is God damn!
Aquamarine, Don’t hold your breath.
I’m not, but then, maybe not all, but then, some of the young? Enough to make a new generation of sane people while nutjobs like my relatives kick the bucket.. Don’t get me wrong, they’re nice people. They don’t carry Confederate flags or Nazi insignia. But they’re pretty hard core. THICK is the word for them. Nice people, but thick..
Cause is an emotion?
That is simply nutso.
Let me try one more time to get my post through. “ I am here if you ever need anything, goes right up there with Awake or Asleep. I love you. “ from Hymn of Asia. Those two quotes give me a nightmare or two once in awhile. Thank you Mike for showing how bereft the wisdom of Ron is. A picture of a brain gone in directions even he could not follow, powered by greed for money, narcissistic as they come and wanting a fake navy of slaves to him forever. Traps all around. Hugs to all who got out & a candle in hope for those who cannot leave the cult of Scientology. ??
Everyone makes mistakes.
I could quote Ayn Rand but why bother?
There once was a trickster named Hubbard
Some diehards believe all he uttered
He flunked out of college
Pretending real knowledge
His ‘tech’ was a whole lot of blubber
That picture. That hair. Not the Founder’s best look.
Aqua I remember looking like that 6 months after leaving the USAF and just said F**K IT. I bet the smell is, worse than the photo! You can see the shuckster planning his next Con.
Rod, I’m sure you were young at the time. Lots of young guys grew their hair long back in the day, didn’t wash much, wore clothes that looked like they’d slept in them and probably had, and so forth 🙂 That look was very much in style even for and especially for rich people and movie stars. But its a horrible look for a gray haired, fat, middle ages man with a puffy face and a huge paunch Then and now. My opinion. And don’t get me started on the teeth 🙂
I answered you before but it didn’t go thru so Rod, I bet you were fairly young and back then and that look was a good one for you at that time, not to mention fashionable. Not so much for a paunchy fat greying sixty-year old. He looks like the alcoholic, senior citizen bums going thru the garbage on city streets. LRH himself wrote that ones’ appearance was a measure of one’s mental state. He said a person didn’t have to be expensively dressed but just clean, with brushed teeth, clean clothes, AND SO ON 🙂 Application of this, his own theory indicates a depressed mental state.
What concerns me is there are other shucksters out there who want to pick up where he left off. The name scientology is mud now that Mike and Leah have exposed the truth about this con-game organization. LRH got what he wanted which was money, but it couldn’t buy what he didn’t have which was mental health. He lacked a healthy mind and clean conscious and his made up tech couldn’t fix it because it was a lie. Sad character and poor choices.
Rod M don’t worry about the other shucksters. All attempts to create new, independent “orgs” have failed miserably. The latest attempt to create a new CoS by an ex-GO criminal has only resulted in lots of noise, a failed copyright fight with the existing CoS and an inability to even create a website after 2 years of announcing this new “CoS”.
I agree with Wynski, Rod. There will always be shucksters (see, its a new word, i.e., “shysters” and “hucksters” combined.). Anyone attempting to salvage Scientology will have to SEVERELY edit out all the harmful policies and call it “self Help” and not religion, ditch all Scn nomenclature including the name itself and all mention of L.Ron Hubbard. Not easy to do because of the copyrights and risk of being sued. For now, the name itself is poison.
Oh, but just LOOK at him! Doesn’t he look like he’s found the answers to all of life, past – present – future?
Doesn’t he look like the most powerful OT the universe has ever seen? Able to rise above the blinders and traps and map the way for all? Detail in a billion words the vast powers and abilities of we theta bubbles?
He COULD look like Donny Osmond if he wanted to, you know. He could have David Cassidy hair and perfect teeth and a skinny non-putrid nose…..but that would break people’s reality, OTs don’t show off that way.
They’re allowed to find parking spots 12 percent of the time, (if they’re willing to circle indefinitely) … but they have to be careful about the big things, like bringing down the Berlin Wall.
……
the further away I get…. the more ludicrous it all seems.
The more I marvel at the depths of delusion in which one can live an entire life…
I’m so effing glad to have broken free.
Rip, you’re a riot. Chuckling away here 🙂
Reminds me of when a lovely man expressed his displeasure about his Christian church’s transitioning from old hymns to contemporary praise:
“It’s wide but not very deep.” 🙂
Sec Check question for LRH.
Have you ever purposely obfuscated a piece of writing to appear smarter than others?
Yes; did that in college and got away with it. I had a rather lazy proff.
The Mission Holder declared is Kim Whitworth, who grew up at Delphi and was the poster child of the family. I used to know her fairly well, in fact I audited her on NOTS back in 90’s. I heard she was comm Eved twice and was likely a head on a pike because her Mission was better than most ideal orgs. I hope to god she doesn’t do her A-E steps to get back in good standing. She would be better off just giving them the finger and walk away.
Wait…she’s been declared because she was doing her job TOO well???? SMH
thanks. I was wondering about who it was.
Are you going to reach out to her? Might be just the thing to get her to look …. and telling Mike Ellis to pound down another double cheese burger while he mulls over the A to E playbook.
🙂 Yeah, how does he rate all those calories when the rest of the SO subsists on rice and beans? I’ve been wondering about that for a while.
Looks like you have gone negative on LRH. I enjoyed the example above because it is 1) true, and 2) inspiring 3) good reminder to work from a creative viewpoint and because the ARC is high.
You actually made sense out of it?
I am fascinated what you think the words actually say.
Mike, I would be the last one to evaluate or invalidate here, but I have a feeling that Patricia D Krenik and FOOLproof have gotten together and word cleared the above quote M-9 style and are able to use a little lateral thinking and are able to fully duplicate what it says. High ARC and inspiring as well as being true. For me, I could never get thru the bullshit in Hubbard’s ‘New Slant on Life’. Guess that’s why I became an SP, those goddamn MUs will take you down every time.
Yes New Slant on Life was one of the simpler books and designed for even idiots to understand it!
He’s baaaaaaaaaack. 🙂
FP throws the first punch 🙂
Aqua, it IS back but he didn’t throw a punch but tripped over his own feet crossing the threshold and landed flat on his face at Mike’s feet.
🙂
Long time reader, first time writer here…
This is basically saying that whatever you *believe* is true, is true. I think there’s an L Ron quote that also says that.
This is how flat earthers manage to avoid actual facts – they *believe* that the world is flat, so that’s enough for them.
It’s a very dangerous and seductive thought process – you can get people to ignore society, science, and friends and family, if you suggest that the individual is the best judge of what’s right and wrong.
From the South Coast Mission Facepoop page
The reference for this quote wasn’t given. May have been part of the one above.
“So one predicts the future as much as one is cause (sic). The future isn’t a pattern laid out to abuse and bully you. The future is a beautiful playground that nobody happens to be combining. You talk about virgin territory – the most virgin territory there is, is the future. You can do anything you want with it.” – LRH
Why SO staff work long hours with very little time off.
“A free man wants more work and more communication. It’s an oddity. Free man wants to see how much he can get done. A free man want (sic) to see how much he can accomplish and how well he can do it. He’s interested! He’s alert! He’s the master of the work! And when we get this ‘shorter hours and more pay,’ the work becomes the master of the man because he’s seeking to avoid it.”
— L. Ron Hubbard, Lindsey Theatre Lectures, lecture
Here’s a win from Dava from the South Coast Mission – took her 8 years and now she is chronically happy. I’m happy, maybe not chronically, but happy nevertheless for her win.
“I am happier, chronically, than ever before in this lifetime! I know that this condition is permanent and even when life throws a curveball my way I recover in about 3 seconds!”
LRH, man of many words.
“Happiness could be defined as the overcoming of not-unknowable obstacles toward a known goal. In other words, not too many barriers, but enough barriers.
“And an individual has to be superinterested continuously in direct ratio to the degree they have been denied things to be interested in.
“And if a person has been denied enough things to be interested in, they’re fresh out of goals. Their dreams are dead. They’re dead.”
— L. Ron Hubbard
In other words, happiness is the overcoming of known obstacles.
Go here and sign up for a personality test – about the only thing free in Scientology.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/southcoastmission/posts/
Translation of the first paragraph: You create your own future.
I don’t know about Mike, but I “went negative” on LRH a long time ago. The guy lied – a lot. He lied about his experience, his education, the research he supposedly did, his wives, his children, the money he made off scientology, and worst, about his military service.
Maybe some of that could be written off as just telling stories – Hubbard did an awful lot of storytelling.
He’d make it up as he went along. But claiming medals you weren’t awarded and campaigns you weren’t part of is called theft of valour, and it’s about the lowest of the low life lies that can be told.
The only thing worse is doubling down on the theft by coming up with yet another story about how his service was supposedly classified. The “church” still clings to that whopper of a lie.
Exactly how I feel! A liar through and through.
And even if Hubbard were involved in intelligence work that was kept secret, then he should have kept it secret, not bragged about it. Plenty of people who actually did far more than Hubbard even claimed to, kept their sworn secrets until the end of their lives as a matter of honor, and duty.
I think that Hubbard’s claims have been proven to be be baseless, and worse, particularly by the recent work of Jeff Wasel. But if the Navy had never released Hubbard’s actual service record, it would have been under the justification that its revelation could compromise sources and methods that were still active and relevant, possibly putting people’s lives in danger and the nation’s interests in jeopardy – and so if he’d failed to reliably and honorably keep his secret work secret, it would actually almost be worse than anything else, including just embellishing his service record and claiming medals he didn’t deserve, since those are merely dishonorable but not harmful. It would certainly be grounds for a military court martial, and probably constitutes a crime under statutes such as the Espionage Act.
That’s Hubbard and Scientology, always worse than you thought when you look deeper.
Yes, Mike just went negative on LRH. Happened all of a sudden.
hahaha!
“I enjoyed the example above because it is 1) true, and 2) inspiring 3) good reminder to work from a creative viewpoint and because the ARC is high.”
1. How do you know it’s true? 2. Inspiring – why? 3. What’s the ARC and why is it high? 4. Glad you checked in here. It seems that when most scientologists are asked for an explanation, their standard retort is “read the book.” I invite you to read the comments here – and keep reading.
Look Pa, it’s the drive by OSA troll (Patricia D Krenik).
And where in the hell is Mr. Sidekick ‘Eff Pee’ anyway.
Yo Foolproof,
Ya gonna let Pat do all the heavy liftin’ today good buddy? Cmon out and stick that bleeding toe of yers in the water.
Ah! Newcomer. I can’ t recall what it was you mentioned last time that made me laugh at your antics, but no doubt it was something weird and totally round the bend! What was it you said now?
Patricia, did not the experience of opening an Indie org and watching it fail due to lack of the workablility of El Cons “tech” teach you anything?
I am certain that Lubbotard’s certainty leaves me feeling uncertain about being certain that I have created something certain. The great experience of being alive when I created the certainty of being alive has left me feeling uncertain about my certainty. Could it be that it has all been an ersatz certainty? And in making that ersatz certainty that I may well have used, not true certainty, but a certainty that that certainly does not exist in this life?
I’m tracking that.
Well after reading that ‘quote’ about being certain, i thought i was certain but now i am not so certain that i am certain about anything. Maybe i need to read Dianetics just to be certain.
Thank you Mike. “ I am here if you ever need anything “ goes for me right along with “ Awake or Asleep I Love You “. Rom from Hymn of Asia. Both very Creepy & gives me old nightmares noe & then. The thing is where Ghost Ron talks about no emotion & no body equals being alive with what I feel now that is the definition per green volumes of a Sea Org Member An OT first def and An OT At cause over matter, energy, space and time second def. Today I see that as a slave contract to Ron/dm but when in I thought those words were my dream…turns out they were my worst Nightmare.
Hope this goes thru I have a new email but it seems my old one is the one that will send my comment on. The never ending mysteries of the Web…?
Oh Boy, Ron speaks & the world stops orbiting & worships his Words! LOL! I cannot contain my excitement over “ I am here if you ever need anything “…as creepy as “Awake or Asleep I Love You!” from Hymn of Asia. That one really gives me old nightmares. OK Ghost Ron first off refunds for Any Ex Scientologist who lost even a penny to you/cob. And then Have you two got some explaining to do as you both have committed High Crimes since the start & it continues on with cob & the osa. I deliberately made their initials small because they are cowards of the worst type. Plus your photo Ron,looks like you were off stuck in the jungles looking for a convenient volcano. Wild & out of control. Thank you Mike.??
Trust me, I’ve done my research on this, so I know what I’m talking about:
When you want something in your life, you have to have the desire to want to do something to make it happen, or something like that. Your desire is what you use to cause your achievement to become reality within yourself, and so forth and so on. You make the plan and then you abide by the unending desire to achieve what you never thought yourself capable of and you can then be at peace knowing that you made happen what you foresaw making happen and things of that sort. You’re more capable than anyone else at achieving the one great thing you set your mind to if you’d only grasp your internal concept of desire and you don’t stop until you will that personal goal into reality for your life…..and all that other good stuff.
Yes, I know…..I’m amazing.
P.S. That’ll be $2,000.
🙂 Mick.
Mick,
Laudable paraphrasing of crypto-Ron. You get a pass on understanding the materials.
What have you been smoking, Mick? Oh, never mind; I cognate all of it.
Seems like you can leave off the “Wis”…..& just use this: “More DUMB from Ron”….
Or Blubbard Blatherings.
Well, I think it may be because she’s a LOT PRETTIER than Dave and Tom and they just couldn’t handle it.
Business as usual in Scioland I see. Gibberish reigns supreme.
It’s embarrassing to think that once I/we bought that shit, but buying shit is something at least you can learn from if you’re half smart… well, we all step in something smelly occasionally in life, that’s my think on the matter of Scientology and my termination and extraction from its tentacles. The really sticky part imo is the notion that we were lied to so convincingly. Tough cookie to sallow sometimes, regret reverberates inside the head every now and again, the lost loved ones is toughest aspect to reconcile.
Without doubt Hubbard was just as deluded as he was a selfish con man. To do so much, all those lectures, all that writing, sheesh… delusion on steroids! He had a huge chip on his shoulder the whole time too, very well explained by the KSW series. To look back on KSW1 now is to review a madman booby trapping a subject by deluding others with his self imposed god like status.
Good luck with coming to terms with Scientology, it messes with your head and family.
That gobbledegook makes my head ache. And so forth. ?
Some of you may have seen Tony Ortega’s article on me and my rock band PEOPLE!
So hello to those of you who follow Mike. Mike’s blog has helped me deprogram in a big way. I appreciate his tireless work. And I appreciate all you commenters and writers who have contributed to Mike’s blog.
And of course Aftermath is a tremendous kick in the pants.
On Topic- I have been creating as a musician since 1963. Then as a film and TV composer since 1980. So 55 years in the arts.
I feel somewhat qualified to comment on that quote.
Hubbard is talking about “great experiences”, then “creations” certainy Of creations as being ‘the greatest certainty there is”.
Speaking as an artist, not a craftsman this is pure BS.
He himself rarely ever created ART or creations. One or two of his fiction books maybe.
And yet he is immently qualified to speak on creations.
Mike was right to recognize this quote as the height of Scam-foolery!
I worked with Hubbard directly and he used creative people like me to enhance his image, to create good PR and direct attention away from his nefarious deeds.
Scientology has exploited almost every creative person who has joined the cult.
And from years of observation, I have seen creators become stunted and less creative.
I could write a book about artists and how detrimental Scientology is to them.
However, I’d rather write a book on becoming a creator and artist. Much more rewarding.
Thank you Geoff. So happy to see you here under your real name! Welcome!
Hey Mike…I heard a comedian say that the difference between a religion and a cult is that if your leader is still alive it’s a cult….it the leader is dead, it’s a religion…he said that’s when Scientology got their non-profit “religion” status after the nut case died….it was pretty funny delivery. Can’t remember who it was.
That is funny, Lynda. And it bears out!
Hi, Geoff; need a trumpet player?
i was almost reged ones to bye mission holder starter package but luckily didn’t.
By the way, this blog was unblocked by Russian government and properly seen from Russian now.
Wonderful news!
I think that today’s Blog is funny because I also received a memo from Bridge Publications with an LRH quote. It was being used to get me to buy some sort of congress or something.
Short answer: nope!
Thanks Mile,
Yes I am glad. Since the early 80’s I have been glad. If it was too cray cray for me back then, I would not blink in eschewing them now.
Isn’t the mission holder Roberto Banke?
You’re here if I ever need anything, really?
Hey, Ron, do ya think you could stop me from going to federal prison, I was just following your orders.
Comforting stable datum; CO$ to Parishioners:
“Always know you’re here whenever we need anything.”
Thank you for “orienting me in present time,’ Aqua.
Anytime, Title.
I read these quotes and realize that this is all they have now.
They can no longer feel safe going on the street and recruiting “raw meat” because, in an odd turn of events, their dream of having the name of scientology is on the tip of everybody’s tongue has come true. Problem is, it’s a nighmare. This quote is especially apropos because they are “at cause” over a continually shrinking universe.
Sunshine disinfects.
You got that right!
“Sunshine disinfects.” – I love that!
Nailed it, Valerie!
I’d love to see someone more skilled than moi in philosophy, logic and rhetoric pick this gibberish apart, just for the hell of it. Actually that would be of great value IMO. Any takers?
OK Bix,
Listen close now: I know you think you know that what you read was what he said but I’m not sure that you realize that what you read is not what he meant in the first place, and so on….
Thanks, Jim; you’ve put me in a state of knowingness.
🙂 You’re gettin’ it, Bix.
I could but I’m kinda busy watching I Love Lucy reruns on YouTube.
Hub’s saying that for any experience to be “great” one must believe one created it. By extension, one must believe one was responsible for its creation. By omitting the existence of any variables, eg. relational factors, other contributors, participants, etc., one could reasonably assume that one is solely responsible for its cause.
He then describes what arguably could be considered “pride” as the defining emotion of “being alive”.
They are the words of a malignant narcissist, nothing more. No further analysis necessary.
bixntram, people skilled in those discipline could not be bothered to try and decipher the meaningless rantings of a sociopathic con artist.
Not really worth it, in my opinion, but here’s my shot.
A person who created something feels like a living being (soul). And that equals cause.
“A person who created something feels like a living being (soul). And that equals cause.”
Well, yeah, I feel like a living being all the time, namely because I’m alive. How can I NOT feel like a living being whether I create something or not?
“And that equals cause.” Huh?? Makes no sense whatsoever.
I think what he’s trying to say is that when you’ve created something and its somethinggood and you know you’ve created it and that it didn’t just happen, but that you created it and you know you did, well, then, that’s good because the experience of knowing that you created something good is good.
Look, I’m taking a shot, alright?.
“ALLie ALLie In Come Free!!!!” (Am I aging myself?)
Okay here’s another, “Come Out Come Out Where Ever You Are!”
Anyone who leaves scientology has a better life! No need to be afraid of their shit any more! I hope this Mission Holder tells his/her story.
We used to say: Ollie, ollie oxen free, free, free.
Now we say, “Hell and Freakin’ Yeah Cult-Free.”
Right there with “Red Rover, Red Rover, who ever you are we call you over”. Life IS greener on our side of the street.
Life is incredible on our side of the street. Cult members are afraid of coming over.
Jack and Jill
went up the hill
to fetch their poor dog a bone.
When they got there
Jill was declared
and Dave was smirking alone.
so Jack took off
to find his dog
and see what was to be done.
When he got there
Rover had taken over
and fed Dave a bone of his own.
Uh, Newcomer, (clears throat) let’s see, how do I say this… uh, ok (clears throat again) you do have a means of support at this time, correct?
I am sooo thankful!
I know, right! Being out is such a gift.
I hope she reaches out to other SPs to learn to really live outside the bubble.
I hope the former Mission Holder of the Westcoast Mission, the one just recently declared, comes out on Mike’s blog and tells his/her story. The more real stories of escape, of the atrocities in the church, of it all, the more word gets out to the world at large and to that degree the cult becomes less effective. I was willing to leave quietly and not say a word. But that was before they filled my kids’ heads with lies about me, forced them to disconnect, and then took them from me. Now I do work for the church to go down. There is no saving of the church. It just has to die a natural or even unnatural death. Then maybe we’ll get our loved ones back.
There’s absolutely nothing brilliant about it Mike, BUT…
(embarrassed admission)
When I was younger, so much younger than today, and a pretty girl would say ” I am here if you ever need anything!!” – and then spout some unintelligible gibberish that sounded as if it might be profound…I’d usually nod thoughtfully, then say something like “Wow, that’s really deep.”
How about “Wow, that’s really deep. Hey, let’s go smoke a joint at my pad and listen to the Sargent Pepper album again so we can get really into it.”
Add that to my long list of things I should have said at an opportune moment but didn’t (assuming I hadn’t smoked up all my stash and assuming I had my own pad at the time).
“Too heavy for me, man”. 🙂
God yes! I am SO thankful to no longer be part of Ron’s cult of insanity.
Thank you Mike for helping others out and into the light of the real world.
Insaneology. Take a comm course and lose your freedom.
God, so f’ing true OSD!
BTW, left the pool pump running during the day (it hooks into solar panels) so pool by end of day was hot as a hot tub! So, floated in giant hot tub last night drinking tropical drinks for hours staring at heat lightning of multiple hues.
NOT having ones life dominated by a cult is GREAT.
Yes, very thankful I am not there.
‘the Mission Holder of this South Coast Mission, the repeated winner of the international “Birthday Game” as the “best mission in the world” was summarily declared a Suppressive Person’ –
They’re caught in a vicious circle, culminating in a permanent downward spiral. More people are waking up and leaving or just waking up and being declared suppressive; either way, the Exodus continues with no reinforcements in sight and no efforts being made to turn it around. Davey will be crying all the way to the bank. I hope Someone is watching JT’s and TC’s plane hangars!
The former Mission Holder is Kim Whitworth a poster child and OT VIII. She got 2 comm ev’s and now declared. I used to know her pretty well. Hope she doesn’t do A-E
So an OT VIII got through clear, OT eligibility, all those sec checks on OT VII, all those more sec checks to get on that asbestos-laden garbage scow for OT VIII…
…and just now somebody figures out that she’s an eeeeee-vill SP!
Wow, Ron’s PTS/SP teck really works lol.
Hey Mike! Good to see you posting here.
Maybe she’ll opt for A&E over A – E.
No one is allowed to get enough attention to challenge Miscavige. Getting too famous is always dangerous to your $ciento career.
Word salad like the stuff Lron spouts is the Nigerian Email scam written for prospective clams. If you can swallow that drivel, you too could be a $cientologist.
“Word salad like the stuff Lron spouts..”
Made me think of Word salad served with Lron sprouts…
I think I’ll just have the soup with some toast please.
I’m trying to figure out if they just pick these quotes randomly because they need to get a letter out and want something that isn’t used all the time, if for some reason it’s a quote that makes sense to the person using it – perhaps something they “drilled” as part of a course, until they thought they could make sense out of it – or if they deliberately pick quotes that are obscure and even confusing.
Hubbard talked about use of the “confusion technique,” and critics have discussed how Scientology leverages that to essentially put people off balance mentally, so that they are in a state where they are more amenable to suggestions, or to someone offering simple answers to their confusion – this has been show to be at work, in proper research into propaganda. So I wonder if there is a deliberate practice of providing a quote that the reader is not intended to be able to make sense of, in the belief that it will cause them to come to the org seeking answers and a resolution to their confusion?
And from what I can readily find out, it looks as if South Coast was one of the fancy new “ideal” missions opened within just the last two years – which like the orgs, is in an oversized facility that must have very high overhead. It also appeared that the mission holder had taken over the Ocala mission about two and a half years ago, which seems to have had a troubled history. I’m guessing that the mission holder had some money, was sold on the supposed prospects for missions, and jumped in with both feet, only to find themselves with a large empty building and hemorrhaging red ink, and unhappy with Scientology’s inability to get the “masses” actually coming through their doors (and paying for services) through touted initiatives such as ScnTV. Plus it seems as if mission holders end up having to constantly fight with Scientology’s orgs over a shrinking pie (what began slowly and less obviously in the late 1970s), and if they do bring in new people or have established a clientele of members doing lower-level auditing, the corporate orgs will try to poach their customers – and their auditors as well.
Yes, so thankful and grateful I’m not there, Mike.
Ok so I read this 4 times – trying to understand what was being said – I’m not the most educated person – so I’m willing to say – am I missing something? Or maybe it’s just over my head – because after all – I’ve never reached for the top of any bridge ever!
Wow – just wow – how do people read this and believe it’s some kind of “revelation”…. I like to understand what I’m reading before I give it any value. But, that’s just me!
“.I like to understand what I’m reading before I give it any value.”
Well said, Sue. If this is how you operate in life I wouldn’t worry about any lack of formal education. I’d say you’re just fine, and head and shoulders above many others who value what read for no other reason than “So and So” wrote it.
Hi, Mike !
QUOTE :
“What is so brilliant about this gibberish? And what are you supposed to DO with it?”
END QUOTE :
As to the first question, the best answer is “ABSOLUTELY NOTHING” !
Moving on to the second question, I have an EXCELLENT suggestion . . . CRAM it up COB’s “CORNHOLE” ( not the game ) !
Dave F.
I have seen many “overnight SPs” in my decades in the cult; including David Mayo and many others who’d been holding the highest positions in the cult. The witch hunt that got him also jammed nearly half of Flag’s staff into the RPF. Every day I’d see more and more abruptly removed from post and routed past me into the dungeon in the garage. They plummeted instantly from the highest positions on the org board and were shammed to accept all it in disgrace. Many suffered this a long while before waking up and blowing. The thing that got me was doing the math. According to the tech 2.5% of the population are SPs. How could 50% of the most dedicated and on purpose crew in the only organization that was going to salvage the universe be SP? The veil over my eyes began to lift after that and I was gone a little later.
That’s has to be why they stopped publishing SP Declares, Glenn. It’d be interesting to total up the number of Scientologists to date and compare that with the number of known SP Declares to date (with or without Goldenrod, and not just people who drifted off quietly) What would be the actual percentage rate, I wonder?
They don’t even notify the person that he’s been declared.
Good question Aqua, here’s what I found.
SO ED 2830 titled Suppressive Persons and Suppressive Groups List consists of 37 pages that contain the names of folks declared SP. There are 140 names on each page making a total of 5180 individuals declared SP by the year of issue, Sept 10, 1991. That’s just the people; there are also 7 pages of groups that were also declared SP (70 names on each) adding 490 more to the list. But we’re just talking people so lets use the 5180.
Census figures from Wikipedia.org estimate scamtology’s worldwide membership added up to 69.000 in 1991; the same year the SP declare was issued.
The math; 2.5% of 69,000 is a mere 1,725 which is no where close to the 5,180 folks who are personally named in that 1991 SO ED.
Once again the stench of bovine excrement wafts through the window disrupting my peace.
Interesting, Glenn, thank you. And the percentage (13.32%) would have to be higher today because 1991 was the pinnacle for stats in the cult. According to what I’ve read.membership has been steadily downhill since then. Or maybe it was 1993 – not sure of what exact year in the early 90s that the stats started to decline. And haven’t stopped!
You’re welcome Aqua. Love to research stuff. One of my doctor friends bestowed the title of Great Master of All The Details on me a while back. 🙂
Well, sounds like the South Coast Mission Holder is another Wiebke Hansen story. The Hamburg Org she was running was top of the Birthday Game for years until they figured out she was cooking the books. She literally had two sets of statistical records, one that was reported for her big wins and the other which told the real story.
Wiebke got “disappeared” to the Int Base for a second career as a Sets Painter, not just declared. But I’ll bet their stories are similar in other ways. Let’s face it, since Scientology inherently doesn’t work to win big you have to cheat. You can fool others, and end up fooling yourself, but you can never get what Hubbard promised. More blood has been squeezed from turnips than true freedom from the practice of Scientology.
It is not completely fair to say that Scientology doesn’t work, I know, it does exactly what Hubbard designed it to do. It exists to extract cash, adoration and willing dedicated labor from a small, ever churning cadre of true believers. It worked for Hubbard, and to a lesser degree for Dave, but for everyone else it is an unnatural disaster.
More info about Wiebke here https://www.mikerindersblog.org/its-what-they-dont-say/
Hamburg Org.
If I’m not mistaken Biggy Reichert was also the ED at that Org.
I knew her from Flag ,a lovely woman.
In 2006, she completed OT8 , a few months later committed suicide in her car ,in her garage.
A similar thing happened to Theresa Embeck at ASHO Day in the 80’s. She was the BSO or Treasurer, can’t remember which, but I do remember they day that two HCO with black armbands on escorted her kicking and screaming off post. They said she cooked the books and that she had won the highest ever stats from false reporting. I’m sure they took her straight to the RPF. At the time I believed what they said about her without question. Now, I realize it may or may not be true. Or it may be as you say, that the only way to stay upstat IS to cook the books because one can’t always be upstat. At some point it has to flatten off. But Scn never accepts a flat graph.
TE was the BSO. I believe she was routed out. The booksale tally is counted from the cash and debit sales invoices which can’t be miss counted. I’ve seen false booksale by debits without authorization from the account holder at AOLA. I’m not sure what happened with her but it’s very likely ASHO was having a CGI problem with her high sales. The debit booksales come off the current GI because the church is so stupid it long ago spent the advanced payments it received – of course ☺
Cece, of course. Thank God you’re out!
That’s not just inane gibberish. Let me be clear — that is inane gibberish, but also something else. The continuing hammering on “certainty” is one arrow in the quiver of religious/cultish brainwashing. Certainty is the opposite of doubt, skepticism and independent thought. Certainty is the direct opposite of Scientology’s phony dictum to look for yourself. Why would Hubbard utter a bunch of nonsense that repeats the word certainty over and over again? Because that’s the only thing you’re intended to hear. Hubbard’s truth is a certain thing; anything else is certainly false.
I’ve been involved in debunking LRH’s military myths for while, (you can read my work here: http://www.reasoned.life/). In trying to get some context about his wartime fibs and exaggerations, Ive needed to dive into a lot of the lectures and writings he churned-out in the years immediately after the war. Talk about gibberish!
His “hearty and hale fellow well met” lingo just reeks of condescension and false good will, all delivered in incredibly tortured syntax. It’s really hard to believe he was a professional writer of any stature, let alone one capable of a body of “work” such as the corpus that is “the tech”.
All of his wartime anecdotes read like the worst of his pulp fiction really, and Mike’s example above just proves that trying to use the same style really translates poorly in conveying pseudo-religious dogma and self-help quackery…
At least it’s good for a laugh every once in awhile!
I went to the Portland Org, and they had a TV going with LRH giving a talk. One was about his war experiences. This time, LRH was a patient in a military hospital, and as he tells it, bribed a Marine with 20 bucks to call him “Sir.” Well, the rest of the hospital staff (according to him) thought he was a real doctor. He got with the German prisoners of war, and started to “teach them.” LRH said that the other doctors were amazed that the prisoners were “getting well,” and could not understand why. This is being shown to the general public at the Portland Org. Co$ have you heard of that story?
I’d not heard this story, though it’s typical Hubbard in it’s mash-up of military anecdotes. Hubbard at this time was complaining about being broke in letters to the VA, and $20 bucks was a lot to be splashing out on such a questionable dodge. As a former Marine I’d call BS on the whole thing anyway, as one single Marine’s salute or “sir” is not going to all of a sudden get some unknown theoretically “promoted” in a NAVY hospital; wards were staffed by Navy corpsman and MDs, not Marines, so any Marine would have been a fellow patient, hardly adding adding any gravitas to “sir-ing” Hubbard.
Some 10,000 German POWs were kept in camps and on agricultural holdings throughout CA to work the orchards and fields, as crops were rotting early on in the war from manpower being diverted into the service. The Army was tasked with the security and upkeep of these POWs, thus the presence of a quantity of German POWs in a Navy hospital caring for the large volume of casualties from the Pacific would have been remote. Most likely they would have been cared for at Letterman Army General Hospital across the bay in the Presidio of San Francisco, or at the large Army hospital in San Diego.
It’s important to remember that at the time Hubbard was taking-up precious bed space for his ulcer, Oak Knoll was caring for the huge influx of Navy and Marine casualties coming in from the final bloody battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, and the Kamikazies attacks around the Philippines and off the shores of Okinawa.
I don’t for a minute believe the authorities would have tolerated any sort of shenanigans like this, given the seriousness of the situation and resources restraints; every available bed would have been used for a US serviceman. That’s not to say that Hubbard, as essentially walking wounded, would have enjoyed some modicum of freedom, though not to wander about “treating” people, certainly not German POWs, while impersonating an officer. It’s just ludicrous.
I have heard about another church video that purports to have Hubbard coopting a MD named Kowalski’s study on the use of vitamins to treat exposure victims using Dianetics-like therapy. However, there’s no record of a Dr. Kowalski on the staff of Oak Knoll at the time in question. Go figure.
I’m working on a more detailed analysis of his hospitalization that will be up on reasoned.life in a few weeks.
Per my recollection, he had someone call him doctor, not sir. I believe the lecture was The Story of Dianetics and Scientology.
Thanks for all your work on this subject, Money Doc.
My pleasure! It’s been an interesting adventure so far, with more to come…
“Such is life in the bubble of Scientology. Be thankful you are not there.”
I give thanks that I’m free of the cult!
Praiz Xenu, I’m so glad I’m out too and no longer have to spend Saturday afternoons and weeknights trying to make sense of all that bullshit while getting drained of all my cash!
It is not easy to leave Scientology.
Who is strong enough to admit they were conned?
Fortunately the world is putting in ethics on Scientology.
Makes it easier to leave than it used to be since you do not have to do your own thinking which Ronbots are not very good at.
At some point, the hammer will be coming down on them.
Well, I only hope she is doing well and the SP declared came because she saw the truth about the cult.
Either way, she is out and has a better chance.
Reading crap like that in the PDCs is exactly why, apart from any other reason, I just had to stop it. Reading about flipping my home over my head, to the side, to the left, under my right bum cheek – I can see it as a mild objective process to make me feel slightly uplifted, but a beer does it better.
Let me give this a shot:
So when you look over the broad expanse of human behavior, we find the main certainty your pre-clear seeks is the certainty of impact. You’ll find that all up and down the track, and when he’s arrived at that point in the MEST universe he’s really gone. So what we must do as a group is demonstrate enough theta in our own lives to bring them on up the tone scale. We can, you know. And we are the first to do so on Earth with all its sordid history and misadventures. When you get up the line sufficiently, you’ll see that I speak the usual sooth. So let’s do it!
Wow. It’s hard to believe I ever fell for that. And calling “cause” an emotion? But that’s the sort of crap they use to make you pay…if you have the motion of cause…then pay…prove you are cause. LOL
Gibberish is exactly right!! I couldn’t for the life of me make head or tail of it. Frankly, though, this wouldn’t be the first time I was unable to translate his writings. I realize, of course, that I’m a never-in and there would be jargon that I simply wouldn’t be able to translate. Does anyone have any idea what he was trying to communicate here?
I think I can help. Here goes: If you don’t understand it, get some auditing to raise your awareness which translates to give us more money.
Sounds “Qual”, Happy Days
Oh, thank you everyone who has made a comment that they cannot understand the gibberish (sorry lectures) of LRH. I have seen and heard some of his lectures, and for the life of me could not understand what he was talking about. People would laugh and clap, and I was wondering if I was just too dull to comprehend. Now I believe his audience also did not understand, but like Stalin had to clap at his speeches until told to stop. From what I understand also, nobody would ever think of talking to their co-cult members that they actually did not “get it.” Too bad, because I think the whole lot of them would “not get it.” Now I feel better, and can say that LRH wrote and spoke a new language “Gibberish.”
Lron clearly said, ‘I am smarter than you, give me your money and then do my laundry’.
Not a clue! After reading and re-reading I can’t figure out what the heck he’s trying to convey!
“Does anyone have any idea what he was trying to communicate here?”
Hi Meryl. I was never in, but I’ll take a stab for you. (I did “learn” a bunch of pseudo-spiritual garbage from an “institute” that I later found out borrowed some of its terminology from Scientology, including the idiosyncratic promotion of “certainty” as a highly sought-after state. I of course had to spend some time unlearning this stuff afterwards.) Here is my translation:
The greatest experience you can have is that of being certain that you created something, especially this experience itself. What makes the experience great is that quality of certainty. The best kind of certainty is the kind that comes from being certain you created something. This kind of certainty has a big emotion associated with it that we call “cause.” This emotion is so deep that it can only be defined as “being alive,” but it’s not the emotion of having a living body. Instead it’s the emotion of existence itself — of being a being, so to speak. That is the essence of real living, which we call being cause.
(It’s still hogwash, just hogwash I am able to parse.)
What he says is, “When you create something and you know you created it, then you’re there.”
You find out “where” on the next level.
Scientology means knowing how to blow in the fullest sense of the word.
Hi Cat. Thanks so much for the reply. I actually kinda get it now. You’re right about it still being hogwash, though.
Meryl,
It was the middle of the night and LRH awoke with an intense craving for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Mary Sue was fast asleep next to him and he wasn’t keen on waking her up, but, well, a craving is a craving, and so forth.
So he sat up in bed and in a loud, clear voice started talking as written above.
Mary Sue woke up immediately. At first attempted to ignore this and go back to sleep but his voice was too loud and she knew it was hopeless.
“RON!”, she screamed at him.
“Yes, Mary Sue?”
“What are you talking about?”
“Creation, dear.”
“NOW?”
“Well, yes, dear. You know how inspiration can strike me suddenly, and that sort of thing.”
“But I’m trying to sleep! I’m exhausted!”
“As am I, as am I, I assure you, Susie. And a little hungry, too, actually.”
“You’re hungry?” (Ray of hope) “Well, can I fix you something, a snack?”
“Oh, I couldn’t ask you to do that. Its so late…although…”
“What would you like? I’ll get it! It will help you sleep!”
“Well, actually, since you asked, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich would be a tremendous help flow to me on the 1st and 7th dynamic, while at the same time, evening out what I have been experiencing as a 2nd dynamic out exchange and so on between the two of us of late – ”
‘FINE! Jiffy’s creamy or d’ ya want crunchy?”
“Creamy, please, and not those fancy English strawberry preserves, Susie, just plenty of Welches’ grape ok, sweetheart?’
“Yeah, yeah…”. Mary Sue, flinging off the covers and heading to the kitchen.
Hi Aqua: Hilarious and well written, as usual, although it’s put me off PB&J sandwiches:-D
Thanks, Meryl. Don’t give up your PB&Js though. Its an On-Source sandwich essential to marital happiness. Your reference for this would be HCOB 4 October 64 “Insomnolence, Peanut Butter & The Second Dynamic. Clear your words.
Yes, I’ve been thankful I am not there every day for 20 years since I escaped in 1998. Your blog makes such a great point: “the words of the leader can never be questioned or doubted.” Yet most followers, self included, thought we had the freedom to think for ourselves, based on his statement, “what is true for you is what you have observed” etc. as if we were actually free to think independently, while the opposite was true. That dichotomy was the ultimate trap.
You are so right Karen.
There is a lot of that built into scientology. “Think for yourself”??? “What is Greatness?” etc etc
Its true. What better trap than a trap you’re in believing yourself to be utterly free? Good heavens, its designed so you never leave it. Its designed so that if you DO contemplate leaving it, you’re afraid you’ll be giving UP your freedom for all eternity. Whoa!
You’ll lose your eternity is right up there with you’ll go to hell if you masturbate.
True.