Here is some more gibberish from L. Ron Hubbard — taking a “small bit” from OT VIII to explain that because drugs “threaten the body” a thetan reacts by “mocking up.” “Of course,” Hubbard says without explaining why it is “of course,” he mocks up more reactive mind (why exactly instead of something good?) and thus “under threat” he goes “out of present time.”
Whatever. This is a lot of assertions about what happens in just a few words… All of accepted as gospel truth though there is nothing cited to explain this. “Ron says” and so it is true.
Someone at Celebrity Centre thinks this is brilliant and explains a lot about the human condition.
After all, Ron “researched” this, right? He said in the first line “I have been doing some research” so there is no question this research is a fact. He is carefully “scientific” in his announcement that the “basic equation” is “apparently” — then given in all caps.
But this is not to be ingested as an “apparent” equation. It is now, as Ron said it, THE equation. Never to be doubted or questioned.
It is every bit as authoritative as his claims about the “Piltdown Man incident” that he uncovered in his extensive research that resulted in his “cold-blooded and factual account” of “your last sixty trillion years.” 
Newcomer,
You should address him properly: Demented Fit Midget!
Hubbard is Total Cause over gibberish. His belief and confidence in his imagination, as dictated by needle reactions, gives him a sense of certainty that gave us the impression that he knew what he was talking about.
Hubbard was insane.
Just look at that goddamn fucking FREAK and think about how many countless lives he and his utterly insane gibberish has absolutely wrecked. May he burn everlasting in Hell…
Yup, that WAS an awful photo of His rotundness. The horn was starting to show through, and he was typing on a portable typewriter? By then, I believe he dictated his verbal diarrhea, and had a flunky type it up. Wasn’t that how he did SoS back in the 50s? That explains the number of words obfuscating any chance of understanding the drivel. He was a firm believer in “If you can’t dazzle them with your brilliance, bury them in bovine-derived fertilizer.
I see we have another meeting of the Misunderstood Words and Glee Club taking place. And out they come, all those with non-comprehensions of the words “of” and “the” and “for” etc. ad inifinitum, never mind “engram” “secondary” and “lock”. “Remimeo” I cleared up last week (well hopefully) – so what can it be this week? You tell me and I will explain! How about er, let’s see, yes, “Dynamics”. Terra had a massive misunderstood on that last week so that will probably fly…
Really Mike, you should have made it go right to turn up for staff study a bit more often instead of upsetting John Sweeney and then all this would never have transpired.
Bla bla bla, you are wrong, bla bla bla, you all have MUs, bla bla bla, you are all PTS, bla bla bla, you are all stupid, bla bla bla, you are out list, bla bla bla, you don’t understand Scientology.
Bla bla bla, you tiny thetans can’t understand the bigness of my great knowledge.
Ha ha ha bla bla bla lol! Ha ha ha! I’m superior and you are not. Bla bla bla bla. Lol lol
This above comment is how we actually hear you Foolproof. Like the buzz of a mosquito in the ear. Buzz buzz bla bla.
Be well and have a great day FP.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz… A bit like the mosquitoes on your back porch Brian eh?
ROFLMAO Foolproof. Fantastic satire you have there 😀
Thanks T-Marie – yes there’s nothing like a good laugh! Sorry for the tardy reply but my Internet connection has been down for a few days – I think it was Wynski who hacked it – haha! Or might have been OSA via Wynski?
Marijuana (Cannabis) is not a poison my dear Ron. But of course the organization will never amend his claim but assert his false statements with force.
“After several decades of research, scientists studying the effects of marijuana made several important discoveries. Not only did they identify the active ingredient in marijuana, they also discovered where and how it works in the brain—via a new system they called the endocannabinoid (EC) system. The EC system—named after the marijuana plant Cannabis sativa and its active ingredient delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)—is a unique communications system in the brain and body that affects many important functions, including how a person feels, moves, and reacts.”
http://headsup.scholastic.com/students/endocannabinoid
Doug. All your saying is true ..as in recent yrs Marijuana is used to benefit .in many ways
Back in the 50s and 60s not much was known. Hubbard was opinionated and wrote that. .it was considered a stepping stone to hard drugs for yrs
Well smoke it every day for a few months and then come back and tell us how you got on.
I know people who have smoked daily for years and they are fine. I bet it freaks you out that they are also finding out that drugs like ketamine and psychedelics are helping depression and anxiety too. There’s a book that was written about our use of drugs throughout history, the title escapes me, but it’s a good read. Humans have been doing things to alter their consciousness since the beginning of time, get over it. Done right, it’s both safer and cheaper than Scientology.
I have said it at the Bunker: L Con’s prose is insulting. He writes like a college freshman (I have marked mountains of college essays) who did not do the assigned readings and tries to submit an essay full of bombast to cover the glaring lack of research. I puke every time I read someone call L Con a “prolific writer.” He wrote garbage while tanked on booze and pills. That is NOT AN ACHIEVEMENT. His writing sucks. I teach Composition and have for years. It’s spew he spewed sitting at his typewriter. Get over it, Ronbots.
That’s EXACTLY right. I’ve graded a loooot of those, myself. I must admit I tried harder to understand those than I do his word salads, though.
They should post this photo of that maladaptive pig … three stories high … on the outside wall of every “Ideal ? Org”
Here, look!, THIS is your Scientology role model to aspire to … a bloated, paranoid, evil, sociopathic, malignantly narcissistic, pathologically lying, drug-addled, chain smoking MANIAC ?
The old despot probably cobbled this up while frolicking amongst the “pinks and greys.” No thanks, I’ll pass on the drug induced theories of a madman. And PAY FOR IT? Thanks but no. I could get that for free sitting in most metropolitan area public transportation systems.
Please, someone show me how ANY of this meandering mess is workable “tech.”
Your reference is C/S Series 22. Would work a treat on you!
Are you so frightened that you have to comment after people have stopped paying attention? And you really don’t know enough about Scientology to make a credible statement. Again, go back to 4Chan lol it’s time innit?
Nope, I have to work for a living not like you layabouts and freeloaders on here!
Thats the funniest thing I’ve ever seen you post.
Layabout? That’s for you Mr. 4Chan himself. Sorry your janitorial job at hospital didn’t pan out, and hope your mum doenst kick you out luv, but you deserve it…
But LRH had an army of labcoat-wearing scientists proving his theories based on tests with extremely large sample sizes, and only revealing results after rigorous peer reviewed agreement… yes? … no?
… b-but… the Tech!
Yep, another prime example of the Scientology garden path.
Scientology has a garden path? Are all the plants & flowers dead?
They were all cut down by security.
Oh, oh… This unflattering photo of the Founder conducting his research – that accompanies today’s blog post is sure to bring the riff-raff scurrying out of their OSA hovels.
Here’s Ms. B. Haven’s prediction for the day: Some Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) will begin ranting about the MUs the majority of today’s commenters have because they haven’t been able to duplicate and understand the Founder’s utterances. This same Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) will then go on to say something along the lines of, “any idiot or moron could understand this”. Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) would be exactly right, an idiot or moron could understand this sacred text, but the rest of us are left scratching our heads wondering WTF.
I shouldn’t even attempt this since I am so burdened with MUs and Crashing MUs, but I’ll take a shot at it anyway. It seems that the Founder is saying that people who are ‘out of Present Time’ have some sort of drug incident keyed in and only auditing will save them from this nasty fate.
This makes me think that Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) is probably dealing with some persistent NOTs drug case restim. Why? Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) only seems to show up here a day late and a dollar short. Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) can’t seem to participate in the discussion in Present Time. Not that Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) is actually attempting to converse, it is always just obfuscation, avoidance, ad hominem attacks, or Q&A so it is pointless to engage. In internet lingo this is called trolling.
Of course I might be completely wrong on all of this. It wouldn’t be the first time. Maybe Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) will be let out of their holding cell today by their OSA handlers to troll a bit. It is Wednesday and not much more time this week to get one’s stats up.
Sincerely,
Ms. B. Haven (Chief Lab Rat I/C)
*** I would like to apologize to my fellow commenters here for using cult speak today. No worries though, I have a very potent purgative that I can ingest that should clear my head and get rid of that sick feeling in the gut.
PS Mike, would you PLEASE refrain from using quotes around words such as “research”, and “scientific”, etc. Fool (or Ex-Cope Officer) gets his panties in a knot when this happens and he goes all frantic and starts to sputter wildly, rendering him unable to answer the simplest of questions posed to him.
I don’t think the photo of the Founder is unflattering. With his long hair and cool mutton chops he would have fit right in with me and my hippy friends. Most hippies were younger folks but the were plenty of old timers who were cool “heads”. (potheads in hippy lingo as opposed to the straights)
You’re right Richard, the long greasy hair and mutton chops were in vogue when this photo was taken in the 70s. In my opinion, Ron should have used comb-over tech to conceal the large knot on his noggin though. Based on other photos I have seen of the Founder during this era, his dental hygiene would certainly not have earned him any cool or groovy cred. His attire certainly doesn’t shout out counter-culture so I think the closest he would come to being a “cool head” would be a Kool (menthol) head.
It’s undetermined if Elron’s hair is greasy in this photo. If you blow up the photo and look at his face there is a lack of peacefulness or serenity about him at that time or at least in that photo. “away” or “hollow” might be descriptive.
When first I let my hair grow long around 1970 it was a bit longer than the what the Beatles wore. I pulled into a parking lot and a little kid in a car nearby stuck his head out the window and yelled, “Look Mom! A hippy!” Long hair and bellbottoms made a statement back then.
Young people can get away with “looks” that are ridiculous and gross on middle aged and older people.
L Ron Hubbard was not a hippy. In his writings he frequently bashed hippies and pot smokers. He made no secret of his contempt for the 70s long hair looks. And that shirt, which looks like he slept in it. In the 70s, hippies, even old hippies, wore tee shirts and jeans and wouldn’t have been caught dead in short sleeved button down shirts and slacks.
And as for his deplorable dental health there was NO excuse for that. Decaying, rotting teeth in your mouth? Severely bleeding gums and horrible breath? That is DISGUSTING. Between his awThe hippies I knew all had very nice teeth, which they BRUSHED regularly and their tee shirts and jeans were clean – faded maybe, but clean. And their hair might have been long but it was kept clean and combed.
Sorry, this was no cool old hippy, just a depressed old man.
Richard – if you’re not being sarcastic, then there you go again, explaining and excusing Hubbturd.
Richard is very clever, unlike you.
This topic put me on a walk down memory lane. “The Establishment” “the counter-culture” “The Man” “flower power” “The dawning of the Age of Aquarius” The list goes on.
After experimenting with and using psychedelics for about two years I was living a mundane life, working during the week and maybe getting stoned on the weekends. Life was kind of boring and I hadn’t read a book in over a year and I was looking for something interesting or intellectually stimulating to do. I went into the Salt Lake City mission around 1974 and got on board and scn kept me “interested” for seven or eight years. haha
I was out by 1981 or 1982 so my scn experience was over before Hubbard ramped up the sea org and spread his vindictiveness and sadism across the organization. I never held an administrative position but I don’t think there was much bullshit coming down on the orgs and missions from above since scn was expanding and not yet under dictatorial control. Hubbard “fixed” that and DM had the perfect setup to play his own game.
Haha! Chief Lab Rat is now confessing to her crimes before the sec check questions are even asked! Well, this is the way it should be. Well done Chief Lab Rat! There is hope for you yet. She even goes so far as to then detail her crimes and she is so in thrall of the power of the technology that she must do so. Carry on – you might get an F/N at the Examiner’s!
Ms. B. Haven – Boy, did you hit the nail on the head with this one! LMAO @ the Fool…
What a huge amount of time I wasted in my life trying to make sense out of that man’s gibberish.
We all did. And you used your Super Powers to walk away from the cult, Else! Congrats! Give yourself a pat on the back!
Thank you for that Else. By not knowing enough of the cult lingo I am often baffled by his writings. I have always wondered if it would make more sense to me if I was hip to the esoteric code. I assumed that those of you who were inside could understand all that twaddle!
Yes, you should have been baking cakes and washing the dishes. How dare you attempt to study something that was far above your dizzy head!
Yay, LRH misogyny tech at work! Good job showing us all how Scientologists are superior beings and can communicate to anyone on any topic.
Here’s another case of literal understanding. Mike, can’t you filter out those who appear at this point on the Chart of Human Evaluation? Surely the blog is only for the elite trolls? (He’ll probably get offended now again!)
I’m not offended. I’m just pointing out how stupid you sound… again.
It might break down into how much time was spent compared with how much time was wasted and how much was gibberish compared with how much made sense and was or still is useful.
Before I got into scn in 1975 I had used some psychedelics. If I was going to “study and address the mind” then common sense says don’t use mind altering chemicals while doing it, no lengthy explanation needed. It wasn’t required reading.
Most of that excerpt was common sense with Elron mentioning something about OT VIII data, mock ups and engrams in order to put his own spin on it. Dropping acid (or whatever) “is a composite of past track, imagination and present events.” No shit! Get high without drugs was a good sales pitch in the 1970’s.
I am beginning to understand.
Imagine what I would’ve found out if had convinced my various police commanders that all I needed were the cans, a trained auditor and the e-meter when I had a suspect in a major crime on the hot seat and was ready to put the squeeze on him. And, now I further grasp, thanks to the above, that druggies and psychotics are on a different time track of present time events. But surprisingly, it was obvious in many cases, because many criminal suspects with whom I dealt with WERE in an altogether different time track from the one we were adrift in. They often talked to people we couldn’t see, babbled nonsense and made up outlandish stories explaining their behavior.
Perhaps Hubbard, in his rougher days, lived among these fringe elements, though in San Francisco they have become fringe no longer but seem to out number the working folk, and adopted his somewhat peculiar trains of thought to explain this outré behavior.
Possibly L. Ron Hubbard lived their stories. Maybe Mr. Hubbard followed a different time track in “present time” events himself.
I think my biggest regret in Scientology was all the time I spent trying to make sense of the nonsense in his inane lectures. Talk about feeling foolish…
Yes, it doesn’t help being foolish to start with…
It’s all so rediculous and at the age of 22 in 1975 as green as a turnup I swallowed it all. I finally swallowed the red pill only after thr CO$ conned me out donating my car. Fortunately that con was enough (without ever being audited – ever) to wake me up to the hypocrasy of the organization (not a church). If they would do that to me (I thought), what other horrible things are they doing to other members? They told me before I left “you’ll fail and your life will be useless”. my response was that I doubted that seriously! After realizing how much work I did for the CO$ for free, I could probably do just as well for myself by going to college. I went back to school under the GI Bill and afterwards was hired by Intel, for the next 30 years I worked in high tech and just recently retired. If the CO$ had made me do that – they could have had a half a million dollars of my income sucked into CO$ real estate ventures, and I’d still be driving that old jollopy. Ha! Too bad Dave, you let one get away! Hahahaha!
What a wonderful success story Rod M. And congratulations on your retirement. Enjoy 🙂
Rod M – Enjoy your “PTS to the Middle Class” ness 😉 Congrats on retirement.
Took me a bit longer, but I finished my degree and just recently certified for a real career. 🙂
Well, what do you expect from a science fiction writer? Research to a pulp author just means reading the latest Popular Science magazine and sitting back to spin some tall tales.
I used to think it was very unfair to criticize Hubbard for being “just an author”, you can be an author and a scientist too. Like Benjamin Franklin.
But Hubbard never made the distinction, never learned how science works, never made a discovery of his own.
Evidence one: the Logics. In the Logics and Pre-Logics and the Axioms of Scientology he made a rambling but possibly sincere attempt to form a logical basis for his claims. But in the real world, only mathematics relies on axioms. Science relies on the scientific method, validating hypotheses. Without testing there is no science. Usually a law is discovered, validated and used, then some exceptions are found requiring a new round of hypotheses and testing. Thus real science grows. Newton famously said that he stood on the shoulders of giants, and that he felt like a child playing on the beach of the known science of his day, with a vast ocean of unknowns before him (paraphrasing, no time at work to look it up right now). Hubbard claimed to base his work on axioms instead of testing. It is aptly named “Scientology” a word that used to be used for “pseudoscience”.
Evidence two: An essay I ran across at Gold called “Search for Research”. There is an essay by that name on the internet, perhaps it is based on the one I read. It is Hubbard’s instructions to the nannies for his children. It describes “research” as the action of looking things up in books. Which of course is one of the meanings of the word, But you would think the developer of a whole system of knowledge, supposedly based on extensive research and hundreds of test cases, would make some mention of the other meaning of the word. .
Evidence three: we have recordings of Hubbard doing what he called “research”. Tony’s blog covered it here https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/17/rare-tape-reveals-how-l-ron-hubbard-really-came-up-with-scientologys-space-cooties/ It features Hubbard and an e-meter, digging for clues using his wife Mary Sue as a test subject. The e-meter reads on emotional arousal. You can get it to react to imaginary recollections, loud noises, scary ideas, pinches, anything that produces an emotional response will read on the meter. It doesn’t prove anything about anything except that some statement, perception or thought made an emotional reaction in the brain of the person holding the cans. From the “History of Man” to the space cooties of the upper levels it is all “proved” by reactions on the meter that don’t mean what he thought they meant.
Hubbard called Scientology the “science of knowing how to know in the fullest sense of the word”. Later he clarified that “what is true is what is true for your” and described the highest form of knowing as being equivalent to certainty. In other words, if you can imagine it and are really sure it is true – it is! How convenient for a writer of fiction. Unfortunately that’s not how it works in the real world. It is perfectly appropriate to form hypotheses but you also need to test them.
Hubbard’s imaginary worlds are fun to read about, if a little incoherent at times. What would life be without the flights of fancy of our authors and musicians and poets? But they make a very poor diet when you try to take them as fact.
This may be over simplified but it’s the “Star Trek effect”, a complete society can be made from any scienc fiction fantasy if it grabs the imagination and hooks members were misfits in the real world (square peg). Trekee’s could form their own society and use the terminology with “Spock’s” a plenty saying “fascinating” and “pure enrgy”. It’s all about the same BP, Trekee’s pay admission every season to live in the 23rd century. : ) Thanks for the analysis.
Bruce Ploetz – TRUTH!!! Great comment.
The true irony of this quote it the line just before the one about auditing. The truth of scientology is contained in this quote.
“…you can’t be fooled by it and think such people are there with you when they’re not”.
The essence of scientology. The essence of the scientology TRs, where you believe someone is paying attention but they believe you are worthless are simply listening to what you say to find a chink in your armor get you to come over to their side.
They do NOT care about you. They never have. They care about their stats and what hook they can use to drag you in. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors. Don’t be fooled.
Mike,
It would seem that you are in need of some between-the-lines interpretation of what SOURCE was saying. So here goes:
(1) ‘I have been doing some research on drug cases and takers….’ For the good of the world Ron hisself was taking drugs and getting a drug case so he can have empathy with someone, anyone! Also it helped to open his third eye.
(2) ‘A THETAN MOCKS-UP COMPULSIVELY’. Well… of course, that’s what thetans do, and Ron is just reminding everybody that HE is the biggest mocker-upper of all!
(3) ‘HIS TIME TRACK IS NOT THEN MADE UP WHOLLY OF PRESENT TIME EVENTS, IT IS A COMPOSITE OF PAST TRACK, IMAGINATION, AND PRESENT EVENTS.’ Ron is pointing 100% to himself with this statement, thus the all caps. Here it is vital to remember that HIS IMAGINATION is bigger and better than anyone else’s.
(4) ‘Auditing ,of course, resolves this.’ What Ron has mocked-up with drugs and imagination , and is compulsively creating rat-a-tat-a-tat, can be resolved by another mocked-up and imagined solution called —– auditing! At least Ron hoped auditing would . and hoped, and…..
ML/S
Junior, go to bed now, you are making a fool of yourself. No candy or Internet for you tomorrow! I’ve told you before about this blog writing, sooner or later the school board will send you to see a psychiatrist and then your goose will be cooked! Now go and take your Ritalin like a good boy!
Thanks for the validnationness. The psychiatrist said i was only suffering from high blood levels of inscouciance.
Mike does have a spell-checker of sorts. Still, 3rd grade pupils are forgiven! Are these some of the words that you misunderstood when reading Scientology texts?
Foolproof,
You do know, don’t you, that what you just did, i.e., explaining Hubbard’s words with your own words, would not get you a “thank you” from the Founder if he were alive and made aware. You do know, don’t you, that what you’ve shared is “verbal data” – possibly a high crime in some instances, certainly out-KSW, and PER LRH himself, as such, to be totally ignored?
Depending on your position and/or the circumstances, Hubbard would have sent you to cramming or even pulled your certs for that, or you’d have to do lower conditions OR all of the above. Major out-KSW for a trained auditor/admin person, Foolproof!
Now, I’m playing with you here because I KNOW that you know this. I’m not telling you ANYTHING you don’t already know! So I’m just busting your chops a little. You’ll get even, I’m sure.
I’m just saying that purpose in pointing this out is not to inform you or because I give a damn whether your KSW is out.
I mention it because I want to demonstrate to you that, like many others who have left the official church, you ALSO cherry-pick the LRH tech and policy!
Like many others, you pick what YOU like, need, want and/or is most useful in any given time, while ignoring or jettisoning altogether the tech and policy you find inconvenient or inapplicable at any given time.
So when you lambast and lampoon anyone here for not applying LRH tech, or for altering it, or for not understanding LRH tech, you are actually being somewhat hypocritical , are you not?
Especially, when you end your criticisms and witticisms at their expense with the advice to “clear your MUs” along with suggestions about what Method would be most helpful 🙂
Is it safe to say that you are okay with YOUR applying LRH’S tech and policy as YOU see fit, while reserving the right to be critical of those who also operate this way?
I’m curious to know if your disagreements with others here rest solely with WHAT LRH tech or policy is OK to ge ignored or jettisoned, and not that LRH is being, per se, violated
Because LRH would say that you have serious MUs which is why you explain scripture with verbal data.
Is that true? Do you have MUs? Do you need word clearing?
Dear Aquamarine,
Could it be you talking to me (FPjunior)?………. In any event, and truth be known, I DO have a MU and it has to do with ‘Why am I here, and just the heck am i supposed to be doing?’
If, as i have read Xenu’s game postulate was: MAKE IT SOLID
and Hubbard’s game postulate was:…………….MAKE ORDER
I am left wondering if I should (a) Be making ordered solids or if I should be (b) making solids ordered? A Galluxy Encyclopedia Britiannica would help if I could find one, google didn’t help, the old tech dictionary was no help, etc. What to do?
ML/ 🙂
Hi FOOLPOOFjunior,
Thanks for communicating.
I don’t know what you’re talking about and I’m not altogether certain you do either but thanks anyway.
That said, you were not the intended recipient of the above comment with its questions.
FoolpRoof was the intended recipient. Notice the “R” in that name?
You see? Its not YOUR name.
I’ll await to see if it reaches him/her and if/how he/she responds (if at all ) will be of some interest to me.
But in the meantime, all the best to you in your future endeavors, FOOLPOOFjunior.
Ciao,
Aqua
Whoa! A correction AND an apology from me is in order, in this instance. The comment WAS directed to you, FOOLPOOFjunior.
On the other hand, the points made COULD have been asked of Foolproof, just not in this specific instance.
Like you, FOOLPOOFjunior, Foolproof frequently squirrels the tech on this blog, cherry picks using it as he/she sees fit, yet reserves the right to be pejorative of those who do their own kind of tech cherry picking, accusing them of having MUs.
So, my point would be:to each of you: Do you cherry pick the tech deliberately or do you have MUs?
Oh boy. Never mind, FOOLPOOFjunior. Your postings were deliberate nonsense. I didn’t read them carefully. So never mind.
My bad.
Yes, most comments on here are deliberate nonsense. You’ve got that right at least!
Aqua – it is no wonder that you blew Scientology. You need to develop conceptual understanding and not take things literally. Try the PRD and then re-evaluate your “understanding”. You have a complete non-comprehension of “verbal tech” and KSW etc. – the people on here are not on course in an Academy or working in an Org. In fact they are mostly enemies of Scientology. If you still can’t work it out then God help you. Your comment has only embarrassed you.
Hi Foolproof,
You’ll note that I DID spot and acknowledge my error in confusing FOOLPROOFjunior with you.
That said, even though I confused the two of you and directed my questions initially to the wrong recipient, i Still had those questions I”d wanted to address to you for some time now.
Now, as for your response I must say it IS a stellar attempt at deflecting from the fact that you weren’t answering my questions!
Instead, I got a pejorative evaluation of my motives for leaving Miscavige’s church, an evaluation that I lack the ability to “conceptually understand” which causes me to take everything literally, an accusation that I completely do not understand what verbal tech and KSW, are, and last but not least, a
Grand stuff, Foolproof!
Nothing like insults and generalized accusations of ign incompetence to introvert a person and distract him or her from the fact that specific points and questions have not been answered or even addressed 🙂
No worries, though. Your comment answered a great deal, actually, so thanks. 🙂
FOOLPROOFjunior,
I read your post and instantly got a laugh. When you wrote ‘he opened his third eye’ I envisioned his sphincter (yeah that one). That would answer where some of Hubbard’s s**t came from. Or is that not what you meant?
It is absolutely elitist of L Ron Hubbard to assume everyone needs to be in the same Paradigm as ‘Him’. Rubbish. You watch a simple children’s movie called Cars by Pixar, and you will see that different paradigms are important for diversity. In fact, ‘Doc Hudson’ even seems to have a personality that I imagine LRH had. A southwest type mentality; an old man with a big past legacy that fell apart.
People have comm. lags, and its ‘ok’. I have them. I also have migraines occassionally. These are part of life. Others do not need to conform to LRH’s paradigm.
That is right, no research, no tests, no evidence.
I just recently read a book from Carl Rogers, a psychologist of 1950s, where he explains how he researched the results, the number of patients, how progress was measured and what evidence was gathered. He specifically remarks a science needs definite steps before claims can be made about a result.
The book in itself is quite good; it explains how harmful is to evaluate/judge the client, how detrimental is to set a goal for him and how, with full understanding, the patient gets better. Of course is more detailed, yet it gives you an idea.
And wonder of wonders, no one was cured of anything!
Sometimes cancer can’t be cured either…not to mention countless other diseases or conditions. Point?
SILVIA – LRH read Carl Rogers as well, according to the credits of old editions of some of his books. Of course, LRH didn’t “STUDY” the works and the science behind them. I’d imagine he gleaned them for content to use as hooks and as “writing prompts” for his own books.
I’d imagine you are imagining things. But then I don’t really know if you are, like you about Hubbard.
Sleepless in St Louis because of this criminal con man.
So sorry. I hope that you can soon work past that and I wish for you peace and sweet dreams,.
*points to that fat guy with crappy teeth:
“you’re going to follow that guy around for 40 years and believe everything that comes out of his mouth, you’ll give up 99 percent of life to study and believe his delusions and will try to share this with the world”
……
with this as my past….. I can only find humor and absurdity in abundance from here on out.
Don’t give me the keys to ANYTHING.
I’ve proved my ability to be an idiot rather thoroughly.
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the cool thing is, I’ll never be able to be this wrong again. I won’t live long enough. haha!
“I’ve proved my ability to be an idiot rather thoroughly.”
LOL Rip Van Winkle! I have that same skill – and no alcohol needed. (I found out some things the hard way )
His “research” involved downing handfuls of pills from his bloated drug hoard. He is talking about himself.
Autocrats tend claim that ‘if want it done right, do it yourself’.
You mean that I have to do it myself? Damn!
At least when he was talking about drugs he was talking from experience so you gotta give him credit for that. Maybe he had a couple of good acid (LSD) trips and he was ready to expound. His hair is real long in the picture so maybe he went through a hippy stage. Acid can do that to you.
Richard, you are far cleverer than I am. Still, by saying that I am giving your game away, but you are so clever that I think you will ride even that storm (of entheta) if there is one (they are all as thick as a brick here so don’t worry too much).
Richard, do you honestly believe it even remotely possible that in his 60s , LRH took acid and went thru a “hippy stage”.In his 60s, dropping acid?
I’ve come to believe that ALL he wrote was about him and his mental problems, his paranoia, his fear of being found out. Yet he still beieved he was a superman, smarter than anyone else in the world, current or historical…. WHILE being unable to master elementary Algebra.
jere Lull – characteristics of megalomania and narcissism
True, T-Marie. he had those characteristics, but I prefer to note a person’s actions rather than skipping to the conclusions, the labels (which amounts to ad hominum, a form of illogic which I try to avoid.) When I concentrate on actions which can be observed, I’m not calling him a narcissist or megalmaniac, but the reader is perfectly welcome to come to their own conclusions, as you did. That he was a narcissist and megalmaniac might be irrelevant to the premise that he developed a system helpful to some, as could his being a compulsive liar, a characteristic I believe he also had. But he promised us super powers, super-literacy, CLEAR, OT, and other things. By my observation, those lies are particularly relevant. All the money given to him for results he didn’t deliver, couldn’t deliver, seemingly didn’t want to deliver to others is truly a crime. That followers died believing his lies makes it a capital crime, IMO.
It looks like another one of Hubbard’s hypnosis tricks at work. 500 words of irrelevant, impossible-to-follow steaming crap to get you confused, then spring the easy, clearly-worded conclusion, which is the only thing people will remember and follow: “auditing cures this.” When you use the “confusion technique,” that’s what you do. And if you do it often enough, you can bend people to follow you. That’s what Hubbard did in those countless lectures: confused people and then popped a simple concluson on them that they’ll remember: “auditing cures this.” “Give me more money.” Etc.
Confusion technique lives everywhere and sadly, many fall for it. I think South Park called this the ‘Chewbacca Effect’, but let’s call it the ‘Hubbard Effect’. He should be immortalized by that term and perhaps something like ‘greedy, drug addled narcissist’.
And throw in a few ‘asshole’s for good measure.
Or you could call it “Confusion and the Stable Datum.”
Well, when I saw how long that quote was, I realized I’m out of headache medicine. So, I’ll just wait for someone willing to wade through all that crap he wrote to comment.
Other than to say, boy, he wrote a lot of crap.
I’ll wade through the crap. Being po’ white trailer trash with page numbers on my toilet paper makes me an expert in Crapola.
Hubbard was writing for the pulps when real authors like Rand were being published by hardcover publishers.
I knew it. My thetan is mocking me. Every time I go out of present time, I have to reset my watch. As my momma used to say, “Forrest, alter-is as alter-does.”
You think you have it tough??? My BTs are constantly making fun of me. In a very mean way.
I can understand them.
For some reason, the last line, “Auditing, of course, resolves this,” made me laugh.
Was it the, “of course”.
Auditing causes false memories, alter-is and jumbled time track. LSD of course fixes all that.
It certainly did for me.
What wall?
In the 21st century, its called microdosing. Its not just LSD, but mind enhancing designer nootropics. Microdosing and Nootropics are modern methods at attaining neuroplasticity. No auditing necessary.
None needed.
Hah! “Turn on, tune in, drop out” It was fun and worked for a while, but most of us eventually dropped back in. Courses and auditing cost money, BIG money these days. Salvaging hippies was good business for scientology back in the day.
For people unfamiliar with him, the quote is from the real Timothy Leary, a professor who got into LSD big time and promoted it. He got a lot of publicity and was a dawning of the Age of Aquarius guru for some people.
That photo of L Ron Hubbard makes me ill. He is repulsive.
When I was on staff in Honolulu, I made a comment about Fatso’s weight. All of a sudden I heard, DO YOU HAVE HIDDEN STANDARDS??? (Over & over again).
I can hear it, see it, and know it. …..a zillion years ago….when I looked at a couple of our public and said, “THAT’S CLEAR???, …no thanks…*shrug” – – I was shown the definition of “cleared cannibal”.
They always have a reason. Scn teaches Whack-a-Mole as a Masters Degree.
Rip Van Winkle – LMAO – again!!! I forgot to add my Master of Whack-a-Mole to the education section of my recent resume!!!!! Dammit!!!!
Dude – none of your standards are hidden.
I know PRECISELY what Blubbard was talking about here. I suffered this “condition” (slightly out of PT) all my life but of course none of the hundreds and hundreds of hours of auditing, numerous purification rundowns or anything else I paid for and did did a fucking thing to remedy it. So, his last statement “auditing of course resolves this” is just as much bullshit as the rest of the article.
Shouldn’t that read: “WHEN THREATENED WITH MOCKERY, I TURN NASTY”?
“When you understand the condition you think such people are there with you when they are not.” “And that’s because they are not on the same time track as present time events.”
So this means that when one is talking to a scino they look at you, if you are not part of their game plan and smoke pot, or take prescription drugs, as insane, not on the same time track. I guess this justifies their huge criticisms of others and their verbal attacks on others character because they have been labeled. This becomes a nice justifier then so they can be critical of others, and commit overts on them if they see them with these labels.
The Piltdown Man was a hoax… It was an ape jaw and teeth put on a Homo sapiens skull. Only this is enough
Of all the unsubstantiated LRH claims, at least his personal “research” into drug use has been well-documented.
“I’m drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys.”
– L. Ron Hubbard in a 1967 letter to his wife, written during the period when he was creating Scientology’s secret “upper levels.” (Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. a.k.a. Ronald DeWolf, L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? Random House 1989)
Neither, he was a “Flim – Flam artist” who lied like a rug.
The irony of course being that I might understand some of thus rubbish, if I spent several weeks smoking crack. Or heroin. Maybe a months worth of acid? Who knows.
Go ahead, CO$. I’ll monitor your progress.
No, COS Money Doc your TE (Technical Estimate) is only 3 weeks of LSD.
HEEEEEERRRRRRRE’S TUBBY!
There he is! RON THE NUT!
Or ………. El Con, the despicable example of a homo sapiens.
Yo Dave,
You Mr. Sick Fuck are in the second position but not by much. Only difference is You can’t write or spell………… and You are much, much shorter that His Rotundness.