Just a quick post to mention a significant byproduct of Going Clear.
Everyone who buys this book gets more understanding of the abuses in the scientology bubble. I would bet that Jeff Hawkins, Marc Headley, Amy Scobee and Marty Rathbun’s books are all seeing a spike in sales too.
Interesting, if Dianetics were selling at all it would be on this same list. As would all the other Hubbard titles.
In the midst of the massive international expansion and more interest in scientology than ever in history, with more hits on their websites blah blah blah, how is it that Dianetics is NOT on the bestseller list?
Congratulations Jenna. You are still kicking the church of scientology’s butt.
Aquamarine says
“Furthermore, you really have to read closely before you even see the word ‘Scientology’ “.
What an interesting problem!
Indeed, how does one disseminate a product to the general public without changing its brand name, when that very brand name has become toxic to the general public?
Maybe Gavin Potter can give a talk on how to handle that.
Lori says
In today’s Cincinnati Enquirer, there is an 8 page glossy insert about how “one book can change everything – its called Dianetics.” The ad is filled with how an individual can overcome all of their life’s problems by ordering the complete dianetics how-to kit. The kit includes the book Dianetics, a DVD on how to use Dianetics, 4 CDs with lectures rom LRH, step by step instructions, and the Dianetics procedure guide. You simply have to call the local Scientology Center (in Florence KY). Or, if you live close enough, stop in for classes. Interestingly, no price is given in this glossy insert. Furthermore, you really have to read closely before you even see the word “Scientology.” I find this all very amusing because I just posted a blog a few days ago about how the parking lot of the Scientology building in Florence never has cars belonging to Kentucky, Ohio, or Indiana residents. I hope and pray no one falls for this malarkey.
Sara McCoy says
This Monday night, John Travolta will be a guest on the David Letterman Show. Will Dave have the nerve to “go there?!?”
SPE says
I think Jenna’s book is so successful because the public can see her goals and intentions are honestly displayed in her publication. To accurately describe the horrifying childhood these kids went through.
RolandRB says
I don’t think the HBO Going Clear documentary has had a negative effect on the Church. Sure, it is bad publicity, but bad publicity does not have a negative effect on the Church. But I wonder if this be really bad publicity and instead, just plain publicity.
Since this was released, there have been no reports of any whales leaving the cult. I was expecting one of two. Instead there have been none. Compare that with the effects of the Debbie Cook letter. This means that the Church of Miscavige has the solid backing of the whales and that the whales are willing to continue throwing money in the same direction. The documentary will put off new members joining, but the controversy will attract a few confused masochist types. No new people were joining in any case, before the documentary was released, so this documentary will have a net result of a few new members.
As for their losing tax-exempt status, then this is extremely unlikely, going by the petition to lose them their tax-exempt status. After 1.7 million people saw the Going Clear documentary, and I am sure there are many more (maybe 5 million in total) who are aware of the abuses that go on in the cult, then when it comes time to sign a petition to take away their tax-exempt status, then they can get only about 25,000 of the 100,000 votes that they need. In view of the recent publicity that has been brought to this topic, this can be seen as a ringing endorsement. It means that the public want them to be tax exempt and are happy for them continuing to do what they are doing and are willing to chip in their own tax dollars to help them.
Friend says
Yes .. to help them .. but basically not willing to stop them .. help and stop is very close together in the human mind .. it is both in the range of danger .. certainty will not come up in such stages of reality ..
Aquamarine says
RolandRB, you’ve made excellent points, but keep in mind that Co$ cannot live by Whale alone. Without regular people, the Whales will stop donating. Theoretically, the “church” can FINANCIALLY survive, but if ordinary still ins keep withdrawing their support, going under the radar or outright leaving, even the Whales will notice and demand to know “whassup”.
Aquamarine says
After all, sufficient Peasantry (that mass of low-toned, Degraded Beings) are needed to flow the necessary admiration to the Aristocracy (those exceptional, High-Toned, Supreme Test-Worthy, BIG Beings).
TrevAnon says
WWP user Incredulicide made a list of books to come
Untitled book by Jesse Prince about Hubbard’s last years
Untitled autobiography by Hana Whitfield
Untitled book by Steve Cannane about the history of Scientology in Australia
Untitled autobiography by Leah Remini
Untitled book by Jason Barclay
Untitled memoir by Jacqueline Olivier as Principal of New Village Leadership Academy (Study Tech)
Untitled book by Marc Headley, in addition to…
“The Greatest Good” by Marc Headley
“A Sucker Born Every Session: My Misadventures in $cientology” by Skip Press
“The Final Fall: Mixing Allah, Jesus and Xenu” by Leila Wills
“Hollywood Babylon III” by Kenneth Anger
“Clear and Beyond” by Mark Rathbun
“Roller Coaster Out Of Hell: My Escape from Narconon, Scientology’s Drug Rehab” by David Love
“Son of Scientology: Dad, L Ron and Me” by Peter Jukes
“Scientology: A Walk into Darkness” by Glenn Samuels
“Scientology: Pre and Post Operating” by Frank Edwin Pate
“Swim To Get Out” by J.Marius Jeanpierre
“Waking Reason: the Science and Art of Persuasion” by Jon Atack
“Who’s the Best?” by Mark Tordai
“Gullible’s Travels” by John Duignan
The Ortega book about Paulette Cooper must be added
https://whyweprotest.net/threads/twenty-upcoming-books-on-scientology.124766/
Aquamarine says
More titles for my WL; thanks TrevAnon!
Annette Chaffee says
Gosh! Thanks for the reminder. I’m going to Amazon right now to purchase!
Jose Chung says
Lawrence Wrights Going Clear I read cover to cover .It answered a great many questions.
But looms above many is David Miscavige crafted a GAT PTS course ? Perfectly explains how
Rex Fowler financially caved in his own company and committed murder on OT 7.
All ex SCN books are worth reading and HBO should make movies on all of them.
1.7 million viewers for opening night of Going Clear was a record,looking for that to be topped
AnEx says
“.. how is it that Dianetics is NOT on the bestseller list?”
That’s an easy one. Because the people who made that happen and could make it happen have left the organization (Jeff, Mark etc.) And Miscavige’s slaves are following his orders to get Dianetics back onto the list but it just doesn’t work. They obviously have not followed his orders to the letter but have altered them 🙂
cre8tivewmn says
I’m a never in, and I’ve been reading about Scientology for many years. I’ve read Bare-Faced Messiah, A piece of blue sky (original edition), Paulette Coopers book, Marty’s book, Mark’s book, part of Nancy Many’s book (and will probably finish it sometime), Lawrence Wright’s book, John Sweeney’s book, and I’m reading Jenna’s book now. (Hmm.. is that all?) I didn’t read Dianetics, but I read Tony Ortega’s extensive summary with Vance Woodward. I recommend that summary if you want insight into Dianetics but don’t want to buy it or can’t get through it.
I find the subject of Scientology fascinating. I guess you could say my interest is anthropological or sociological. I’ve studied a lot of belief systems as a private interest. I’m fascinated by how and why people create and adopt beliefs. Scientology has a lot of material available to read because it is “modern” so you can read or watch first-hand accounts of former believers.
I was raised in a fundamentalist church so I can also connect with the subject as a person damaged by religious choices I never made.
Just some insight into why somebody who wasn’t every in Scientology would be so interested in the subject.
Cia says
What?! The church isn’t buying truck loads of copies of Dianetics to artificially pump up sales and keep it on the bestseller list any longer?! tsk tsk
Rick Mycroft says
I’ve got a little list of books. It’s not complete, but there’s a lot of reading already:
Category:Book
Mark Marco says
Dear Mr. Rinder,
A very personal word of appreciation to you, Mike.
For years after leaving Scientology, so long ago, I was feeling confused about ‘my’ so-called failure.
You steered my mind towards the truth, right here in this blog.
Truth?
Scientology is the reflection of one man’s alter-ego. Laced with all sorts of clever logic, it is an empty philosophy, void of any intention to promote genuine critical thought. In fact, it is a lesson to the danger of adopting a belief system based on anything beyond one’s own power of reason.
Promising world salvation and total personal freedom, it delivers for the devoted practitioner a closed belief system and eternal servitude. That is the real truth of Scientology. It is and has always been a cult devoted to expansion and self-preservation, and, honestly, nothing else.
No wonder, looking in hindsight, that the new leader would be the sort able to bring to mind the thought of his own father and say, “Let him die.” It is, after all, the inevitable conclusion of the remarkable story of L. Ron Hubbard and his personal church: the suffocating death of Scientology.
It is a beautiful and long awaited day. I am born.
My heartfelt gratitude to all who speak.
Ann B Watson says
Hi Mark, Thank you for your post.As an old timer SO & blown in the early years of Op Snow White etc. & games, the GOI played with me as the target, I too have heartfelt gratitude to all who speak out. I’m dreaming of a book by Mike,I know more on his plate but a book by him would be pure joy!! In Truth & take care, Ann B Watson.
LDW says
Very happy that everyone who has exposed the crimes is getting a spike in their book sales.
Very much on my wish list: Mike Rinder the official autobiography
Aquamarine says
I’d buy and read anything Mike Rinder writes, from an autobiography to a blurb on the back of a cereal box.
The Oracle says
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, as the “We Stand Tall” anthem seems, well…,less than appropriate in today’s climate. We are submitting proposals to the IAS for a new anthem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKP1Qq9KdqI
T.J. says
There are so many really good books written by former Scientologists, each helps us understand why someone would join, what kept them in, and how difficult it was to leave, then their struggle to regain their balance in the outside world.
Marc Headley’s Book “Blown for Good” is one of my favorites, he writes with such a “real” voice, at parts you laugh, in parts you cry, always holds your interest. Amy Scobee’s book “Scientology: Abuse at the Top” gives insight into DM, Jenna’s book “Beyond Belief” shows us what it was like for a child and young adult.
I also recommend Jefferson Hawkins book: “Counterfeit Dreams” and John Duignan: “The Complex”, also a book by Nancy Many: “My Billion Year Contract; and Lucas Catton: “Have you told All?” about his time running Narconon.
The first book by an ex-Scientologist that I read was by Bonnie Woods: “Deceived”.
I recommend all of these books for a better understanding of what goes on behind the scenes.
Other, very comprehensive books are those by: Jon Atack: “A Piece of Blue Sky”, Lawrence Wright: “Going Clear”; and Janet Reitman: “Inside Scientology”.
I’ve read 1 of Mark Rathbun’s 3 books: “Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior” with the others on my ‘to-read’ list; also looking forward to the new book he is writing. Am also excited about Tony Ortega’s upcoming book to be published very soon, can’t wait to read it. I wish Mike Rinder would write a book!
There are two other related books that I highly recommend: “Combating Cult Mind Control” by Steven Hassan; and: “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout. These are excellent resources for understanding and being able to effectively deal with issues surrounding the whole reasons why people stay involved with groups and persons that are not the best for them. The book about sociopaths was excellent, I kept saying “ah-ha, so that’s why..” and “ohhh.. now I understand.”
A long post, thanks for reading! Please excuse any typos or mis-spells, I’m on a small electronic device at the moment.
hgc10 says
I’m looking forward to Tommy Davis’ book: “Right Here! Right Now! I’m Angry! Real Angry!”
Old Surfer Dude says
I was hoping his head would explode…
McCarran says
Good list also. Also, in addition to the two you mentioned at the end as “excellent resources for understanding and being able to effectively deal with issues surrounding the whole reasons why people stay involved with” scientology, I also recommend “Closing Minds” by Jefferson Hawkins.
T.J. says
Thanks for the recommendation, I was unaware that Jefferson Hawkins had written another book! I appreciate the reply, and I certainly will plan to get his book very soon. – Tasha D. Jones
Aquamarine says
T.J., thanks for this comprehensive list from which I’ve added a few more to my own Wish List.
T.J. says
You are very welcome 🙂 I usually choose my books from recommendations people make, so I like to pass along info once I have read something that is worthwhile reading. – T.J.
Marc Headley (@blownforgood) says
My book sales are great right now. At least as good or better than when Katie Holmes divorced Tom Cruise or when Scientology runs Super Bowl ads!
Mike Rinder says
Good to hear Marc 🙂
Invisible Man says
It’s a great read Marc. I’m reading it right now.
Jens TINGLEFF says
God time to bring out more books, eh?
Old Surfer Dude says
I’m one of your customers, Marc! I got the e-book version and downloaded it to my Kindle. GREAT READ! Very glad that you and your wonderful family are doing so very well!
Pepper says
Sounds like a win-win for both Marc Headley and Katie Holmes.
Marc gets to enjoy the success of increased book sales and Katie gets to enjoy friend time with Jamie Foxx.
Life is good.
Aquamarine says
Wonderful news, Marc! I loved your book. Definitely movie material, IMO.
Tonya J says
I bought Dianetics years ago (why did I buy it? I may have been struggling and read read some bogus or quote whore reviews). I leafed through, never read it; it was off-putting in a way I can’t describe. Lucky me. Even this small bit of information points out why I may have sensed it wouldn’t be a good idea: https://scicrit.wordpress.com/other-media/reviews-of-scientology-books/ . A pulp science fiction writer, who was mentally troubled himself, makes up a religion (as his ex-wife said, for money and power) and so many bought into it (if Leonard Nimoy had created a religion because he was on Star Trek and thought he knew better than you, would you have believed him? Sure, he was a great guy, but still…).
I think the documentary was enough for me and possibly reading the book it was based upon. Reason? I’ve read about the alleged behavior and acts of this “church” for so long, I don’t think I can bear knowing about any more tragedy they’ve caused. There was an article, I don’t know, a decade ago maybe, in which a female member disappeared in Clearwater, and may have been murdered (is this where “The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow” comes in?). It’s not something I wish to dwell on but I’ll be glad when the whole thing is destroyed and defunct.
De-attested ObedientThetan says
I loved hearing that Jenna is now able to have relationships with her grandfather and in-laws, as opposed to a couple years ago when she wasn’t. I would love to know if she has a good relationship with her own parents too. Because if she does, I think it would just be Denise that Dave has left as “family” (even though I’m sure he hates her).
Tone 4 Society says
God if real life could have COB getting a very extensive metered Sec Check, videoed and recorded in front of all the inmates when he goes to Prison after the Sec Check in front of all Int. Staff.
angry gay pope says
So glad that Jenna Miscavige is being compensated (through book sales) for her years of slavery, abuse and neglect.
Pepper says
Me too. Jenna has also made a good life for herself, and has a family now too. Living a life well lived, just as she deserves to have.
Roger Hornaday says
We know that DM isn’t one of those cold calculating sociopaths but is instead an hysterical one. His emotions run high and he probably isn’t one to ever forget a slight. Circumstances haven’t been favorable for a Scientology Dictator these past years but lately the circumstances have been horrendous. Catastrophic, really, when you factor in the vain and mighty arrogance of the man. Like any man in power he wants to see it coming before it hits. That means he keeps himself informed of who is saying what regarding himself and his alter-ego, the church. He knows Jenna’s book is a best-seller. He knows his name in the history books will be synonymous with the downfall of the church. He knows he has no friends or family. He knows the world regards him as “the person we love to hate”. Classic literature would have him falling on his sword, but this is real life. Isn’t it?
cre8tivewmn says
lol, I bought Beyond belief a couple of days ago.
BTW, I mentioned that Bookbub, an ebook promotion service, occasionally has titles from LRON’s scifi catalog for sale for a dollar or two.
windhorsegallery says
Jenna’s book continues to be my favorite of all the former scientology/sea org member books.
Her story was so tough to read I had to put it down. And pick it up after a day or two. The others was able to read straight through.
And her most recent comment that I found on Tony’s blog (I think) about she and her grandfather were now speaking, delighted me.
Go Jenna!!!! (obligatory exclamation points) May you continue to enjoy a life full of family, sunshine (hear the envy in my typing) and good fortune.
WH
Pericles says
Erica, I like your taste in reading material!
Rick Mycroft says
I think it was Marc Headley who said that every time Scientology does a PR campaign, he sees a spike in his sales.
roger gonnet says
When I got my book “La Secte, chroniques d’une “religion” à irresponsabilité illimitée” off, both you and Marty were still in the cult.
Thcult did not even try to attack the book. It (I mean, You both and the insane leader DM, attacked differetly. I did not care, that was what could be foreseen. Scientology is such a foreseenable thing! Like any other “faiths” wanting to lead the whole world and universes.
Willow Valley View says
The wonderful Ken Urquhart, for many years LRH’s closest servant and supporter, wrote this for Miscavige:
We could agree that Miscavige himself is in a Condition of Below Condition, the formula for which we do not have. I suggest one, neither seriously nor in jest, but in the spirit of “If the cap fits, wear it”:
**********************************************************************************************************
Go away.
Go very, very, very far away.
Go further away.
Figure out how to become a member of the human race.
Start coming back step-by-step on your own.
Don’t ever consider lying to yourself again.
Permit yourself to go through the horrors, on a very slow gradient, of actually being truly in session with an auditor.
Repeat from #1 until #7 produces honest-to-goodness case gain and honest return to the human race.
Re-program.
***********************************************************************************************************
Now if we were to reprint this every time we talked about Miscavige, he would get to read it time after time as he micromanages his spy information, and eventually he would run it as a sort of automaticity!
thegman77 says
Perhaps you need a little auditing to handle that obsessiveness? LOL
methenandnow says
So if Dianetics is considered scripture and Scientology is tax exempt – when you buy a copy (I have no intention of doing this) – do you have pay sales tax?
scientology411 says
Not if you buy it from one of their “churches”.
Beryl says
You may be correct, but it would cost more buying it from the Church.
John Locke says
methenandnow , the tax exempt status is from Fed INCOME tax. Sales tax is a STATE point of sales tax (usually on physical goods). Apples & Rocks
TrevAnon says
Or download for free: projectavalon.net/DMSMH.PDF 😛
TrevAnon says
Oops, now it isn’t a link. I hope this works better:
http://projectavalon.net/DMSMH.PDF
Abi Ja says
Hi Mike, i am not able to find the same list.
When I google it, I get the following
http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/2015-04-26/combined-print-and-e-book-fiction/list.html
Could it be a joke sent to you by someone or an attempt to discredit you?
Curiosus says
The proper link is:
http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/2015-04-26/combined-print-and-e-book-nonfiction/list.html
(Non fiction)
FOTF2012 says
Go here:
http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/
Then expand the list on the top category (Combined Print & E-Book Nonfiction) by clicking on “complete list.”
Jenna’s book is #8.
Espiando says
You’ve brought up the Fiction list. Go to your link, click on “Non-fiction” under “Print and E-Books” on the lefthand side of the page, and you’ll see our dear Mrs. Dallas Hill sitting there at Number 8, right below Candice Bergen.
OTD-OUTTHEDOOR says
I read this blog obsessively, sometimes checking throughout the day to catch later comments. You all are fantastic! I lived in Tampa in the 80s and mid 90s when the goon tactic was to follow detractors in traffic and play threatening games in cars. The stories that we wogs heard were maddening to anyone with an idealistic sense of American democracy. So glad that Co $ tactics are widely known now and backfiring left and right. It is long overdue. OTD- the final level on the bridge: out-the-door! Former USF student.
Tone 4 Society says
Interesting this post comes up today.
I just finished Marc Headleys’ book last week and Jennas’ today. After being in the Organization for 24 years and out now for some years it is truly amazing, shocking and just a complete blow mind to find out what was really going on behind the scenes in this so called church. Any question of all the weird things I observed, read and experienced over the years get answered in these books.
Im so glad they and anybody else has escaped. What a true nightmare.
I look foreword to the day the leader of this truly insane organization gets justice somehow.
NOLAGirl says
“Im so glad they and anybody else has escaped.”
I am equally glad that you escaped. 🙂
Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter says
I’d been meaning of writing a review of Jenna’s book for Goodreads, but hadn’t done it. The release of Going Clear acted like a kick in the ass, so I finally did it.
I got more feedback from that review than any other I’d written. All positive.
John Locke says
Beyond Belief “How LEAVING Scientology increases abilities and happiness”
LOL
p.s. It is a very good book. Jenna hit it out of the park.
Erica says
You are right. I am an Audible member who got Going Clear in January of this year. I was never a Scientologist, but love nonfiction. I have since purchased Beyond Belief, Abuse at the Top, Inside Scientology, Bare-Faced Messiah, The Church of Fear, A Piece of Blue Sky, Closing Minds, Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior and plan on purchasing Blown for Good next. I can get a little obsessive when I find something that interests me.
Barb Miller says
Erica I am the same way , however I have not purchased any books, Im somewhat dyslexic and find it really hard to read a book. I do watch every video on youtube and every post and every blog on the net. My friends call me crazy, they don’t know crazy lol .. they haven’t read or listened to Scientologist! lol
NOLAGirl says
Barb, I don’t know if you’ve tried this, but it is wonderful. Amazon has audio-books and with the free trial you get two free books. The trial lasts for 30 days ($14.95 a month after that).
Here is the link to the Going Clear audio-book page. Enjoy. 😉
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Clear-Scientology-Hollywood-Prison/dp/B00AYLFLCM/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429385466&sr=1-1&keywords=going+clear+audiobook
Zana says
Right on, Erica! You are front row for an event akin to watching the Titanic go down. ! Welcome.
NOLAGirl says
All of them fantastic books. Blown For Good is one you won’t be able to put down. Have tissues ready for the end of the book. 😉
cindy says
“Blown for Good” is so visual and such a cliff hanger that I can see a movie being done about it . I hope Paul Haggis or someone makes a movie of it.
Old Surfer Dude says
Excellent post, Cindy! You’re absolutely right! “Blown For Good” my Marc Headley SHOULD be made into a movie! Maybe, if we’re really good SPs, ALL the anti cult books will be made into movies!
Aquamarine says
II love to read. Its right up there with eating and sleeping as a necessity for me. For some time I’ve been amassing what I call my “Alternative Basics”.
Beginning with all 3 of Marty’s books, to date I’ve also purchased and read with great interest, Jenna’s, Marc Headley’s, Lawrence Wright’s, and next I’ll be ordering Tony’s, Jeff Hawkin’s 2 books, Nancy Many’s, Amy Scobee’s, Russel Miller’s, Jon Attack’s and Hana Whitfield’s, as well as any other books and/or works deemed necessary for the completion of my Alternative Basics Library, including selected articles and reader posts by Mike Rinder from this blog as well as those from Marty’s,Tony’s, BIC and various media.
And I’d like to add that, unlike back in 2007 when I was relentlessly pressured, nagged, cajoled, surprise-visited and altogether hounded to purchase Miscavige’s “Selected Deletion & Semi-Colon Correction Editions” of LRH’s original works, unlike THAT enforced ARC experience, purchasing my Alternative Basics on my own determinism is a continuing pleasure.
Ann B Watson says
Hi Aquamarine, Love your posts & well done on all the books you read, you go girl! I’m still dreaming of Mike’ s book, he is a fantastic writer & has so much knowledge & experience. His book will make a great movie, actually all our stories would. Take care& a forever friend. Ann B Watson.
From83 says
But those books are all so boring according to a review in Freedumb magazine!! Haha, they beat most fiction books for page turning suspense.
Joe Pendleton says
Erica – you will still not get anything close to a true picture of the Scientolgy experience until you at least read a book by LRH. Suggest Sciece of Survival. A fsscinating read. You will not really get WHO he is unless you know some of his work.
Brian says
Here Erica, here are two quotes to help you know Ron.
By the way, all gays are below 2.0 on Rons tone scale. Those pesky gays!
There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
“The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
Joe Pendleton says
In a book that is about 800 pages with LOTS of fascinating and I think truthful info, is it ONLY possible to quote the same discreditable remarks (and I agree they are gross) over and over? Sloppy and simply misleading argumentation.
Roger Hornaday says
I’d like to hear one thing in SCIENCE of SURVIVAL that is is both true and serviceable. Even in the mad rantings of Adolf Hitler there were little observations one could agree with.
Espiando says
Okay, Joe, how about this? None of the “data” in History Of Man has been proven using actual science. From cover to cover, it’s complete and utter fiction. And you really don’t want me to start going into All About Radiation. It’s not only fiction, it’s an insult to me and anyone else who studied the science.
Ann B Watson says
Hi Espiando,Yes the policy letters I recall through the haze of years or maybe I heard it on the big old reel to reel tapes of Ron in the SO had something about radiation.Well Ron & COS this body had a month of very targeted very focused radiation from a machine I actually talked to every day, no I’m not totally crazy yet, & this particular treatment saved my life.So I’m still on the planet & so greatfull for Mike’s Blog.Take Care, Ann B Watson.
Bruce Ploetz says
Erica, if I may make a suggestion, put “Blown for Good” early on your listening list. It reads like a spy novel and I am in it! Otherwise, though it is pretty long “A Piece of Blue Sky” is the real reference work that puts it all together. Some of the others may be difficult to understand without the historical background information and excellent context provided by Jon Atack. “Bare-Faced Messiah” is also really good as an overview, especially about the early Hubbard, but also pretty long for a listen.
But if you are just listening while traveling or at a boring job, the longer the better!
It is always amazing to me that someone never-in could find the subject interesting enough for a second look. For me, reading about it is a way of reconnecting with old friends and working the crazy out of my system. But I always worry that the study of the subject could turn into a back-door introduction to the real thing, like a gateway drug. There is no danger of that if you pay attention when you read Jon Atack!
I guess Scientology is part of the human condition, exaggerated and twisted into almost a parody of issues that everyone has to some degree. Maybe you can learn about yourself by seeing what happens when all the stops are pulled out and the the usual limiting factors are removed by a fanatical organization. Sort of what I do in electronics sometimes, just see what happens if you turn it all the way past 11. Little issues become glaringly obvious and what seemed adequate is revealed as disastrous in extrema. We can all learn from that, as there is a touch of the credulous true believer in everyone.
anomonly999 says
Brian,
“The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
If the CoS Were in power and had the firepower behind it this would result in geneside, under the name of “greatest good”!
McCarran says
Yes, “Blown for Good” fascinating read and Marc Headley has such a great sense of humor – its a must. Jefferson Hawkins book, “Counterfeit Dreams” was my first. He is also a wonderful writer and ties so much together for anyone who has been in a long time as a parishioner and not seen behind the scenes.
Old Surfer Dude says
Genocide indeed, anomonly999. You can’t put anything past this cult. Besides, and far more importantly, it will bring their stats up…
Steph says
I highly recommend Jeff Hawkins’ “Counterfeit Dreams”. I literally could not put it down. He is an excellent writer.
Old Surfer Dude says
Another book by Jefferson Hawkins is, “Leaving Scientology.” Are some others:
“Going Clear,” “A Piece of Blue Sky (I’ve read this one twice),”Barefaced Messiah,” ” L. Ron Hubbard – Madman or Messiah,” “Blown For Good,” Beyond Belief,” and “My Billion Year Contract.” I sure more will be coming out too.
Mike says
Erica, I just watched Going Clear two weeks ago and have been reading nonstop about Co$. So far I have read three of the books you’ve read and have a number more ordered. I’ve been very impressed by the research and the honesty of the writers.
I’m aghast by what I’ve learned. It’s also turned me inward asking myself why I think what I think, why do I believe what I believe, and to try to look at the world with an open mind.
BTW, just an observation–when I first watched “Going Clear” I thought when Tom Cruise was talking to the audience and they stood up and gave him a standing ovation, it was because he’s a megastar. Watching it the second time, after learning somewhat about the evilness of the cult, I realized they’re clapping for what he’s actually saying, IOW, they actually believe that shit.
Nickname says
The Co$ has invested untold millions into promoting that Miscavige = The Church of Scientology = Scientology = L. Ron Hubbard. And as patently idiotic as that is, a lot of people seem to have bought into it.
I found a new word today, “misology … a hatred of argument, reasoning, or enlightenment.”
LDW says
“misology” What a great word. Fully appropriate to the scene we are witnessing.
Scientologist: Under the leadership of David Miscavige, we are expanding faster than ever.
Critic: Hummmm the actual evidence shows that the membership is in decline and the only “expansion” is in terms of buildings.
Scientologist: F_ _ k You! You are an SP!
McCarran says
“Misology.” What a great word and so appropriate to so many (of the few) that are still “in” IT.
RolandRB says
The Church of Scientology has not invested untold millions in promoting Miscavige. Their whales have invested (lost) untold millions doing it. There is a big difference. When you see the Church haemorrhaging large amounts of money you can be sure that it is not their own money they are losing. It is chump money that is mostly whale money.
Old Surfer Dude says
Ha ha! Stupid scientology cult. Run by David “Let Him Die” Miscavige. You know you’ve got one evil cult leader when he tells his PIs to let his father die when the PIs thought he was having a heart attack.
Barb Miller says
Seriously if you were working for a man that told you to watch a his father die of a heart attack in front of you and not do anything, “let him die” would you right then tell him to go to hell? I would have.. I guess if the money is right anyone will do anything.
jenstnick says
I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have called and asked permission. A decent PI could have walked over and asked Ron if he was ok, and even called 911 if necessary without blowing his cover. He could have been a Good Samaritan in the same parking lot.
Newcomer says
That pretty well wraps up the ‘hole’ subject OSD! And I really like your new moniker for our favorite poop manager……
” David “Let Him Die” Miscavige ”
Over the top today OSD!!!! 🙂
Robert Almblad says
I think David “Let Him Die” Miscavige™ thought if his dad dropped dead, it would be one less family member that could drop a dime on him, i.e. Jenna Miscavige…
What’s going to happen next??? Whatever you think, I am sure it’s going to be worse.
Old Surfer Dude says
Far, far worse, Robert.. As in “Scientology is far, far worse than you think.”
goodchoices880 says
Good shot, Jenna.