The new “ideal org” that is no longer in Santa Barbara (they’ll just have to without an org now) has the welcoming appeal of the Death Star or Tower of Mordor.
A couple of our faithful readers recently drove by to check it out.
Right alongside the freeway in Ventura, it is hardly an “ideal” location (the current org is right in downtown Santa Barbara).
This is the only property that adjoins the “ideal org” — bustling with people 24/7 it is a warm and inviting look.
But, to make up for this terrible location, they are going to increase their signage from one sign of 40 sq ft to 7 signs of 122 sq ft and a new “monument sign” closer to the curb. This should pull in tens of thousands who drive by every day (not…).
Just watch how scientology promotes this building as incredibly brilliant because xxx thousand people pass it every day. The operative word being “pass”.
But really, none of this matters. Santa Barbara has ALWAYS been a tiny, failing org. Now it will be a tiny failing “Ventura” org.
And nobody will even notice.
Tracy says
Thank you for exposing this horrific group, Mike. My husband and I just drove by the grand opening today (we live in Ventura), and we were horrified to see this in our city. To calm our nerves, we came home and watched another episode of you and Leah on Hulu. We will certainly be spreading the word here that these people are frauds. Keep up the good fight, Mike!
jere lull (38years recovering) says
So now they’re doing business as “Career Care Center”? I suppose that’s left over from the previous owners, but it’d be a DIFFERENT front group for them to have. Heck, DM can’t let LRH be the ONLY scientology leader to come up with sneaky front groups for scientology to DBA.
Charles says
Nope. That is the old business along with Granite, Momentum Mortgage and the US Army Corps of Engineers. They seem to have taken over the whole building where lots of stuff in the downstairs parking garage but no actual building.
PeaceMaker says
I thought to check into the Notice of Public Hearing about the sign variance. It turns out that the building already has a variance for 100 square feet of signage, and I had a look at the renderings Scientology submitted, which don’t represent much of a change from the existing conditions – enough to identify the building in the office park, but not really even increasing its (nearly in-) visibility from the highway:
https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/15373/2019-01-16_Item-8
The hearing ended up being continued to February 6, 2019, and I can’t find a record of the action actually taken, though the staff report notes “Recommendation: Approve, Subject to conditions.”
Karen says
Just another opportunity for money laundering.
PeaceMaker says
“Ideal” facility projects are more a scheme to squander money, in a desperate attempt to keep up appearances at all costs.
“John P. Capitalist” the professional business finance analyst, writes about them as “destroyers of wealth”:
“spending money on Ideal Orgs is wasteful and strategically inept”
“Miscavige does not feel the need to keep costs low (other than slave labor wages paid to staff) because he is not focused on taking as much cash out of the business as he possibly can like Hubbard was.”
“Another key motivator for morphing the Ideal Org strategy into a major global initiative was the need to keep the IRS at bay. ”
Scientology Ideal Orgs as Destroyers of Wealth, Part 1: The Strategy
http://www.reasoned.life/2018/05/ideal-org-1/
WhatWall says
Bingo!
WhatAreYourCrimes says
Hi Dave, if your Org’s are failing, than so are you.
Are you a failure?
Nah. you are a “big” being, so please get out there and KSW!
A lot of people keep asking, “Where’s Shelley?”
So, in order to fend them off, I need your honest response… WHERES SHELLEY?!?
Rheva says
The last org in Ventura went out of business a couple of years ago. It was located just a couple of miles from the new and improved ‘ideal’ one. It, too, had little foot traffic. How many times do the powers that be in the cult have to open orgs in Ventura for them to learn that neither Ventura nor any other Ideal Org will succeed with REAL suppressives running the cult!
Please let me know when the opening ceremony is to take place. I want to be there…and smirk. 🙂
PeaceMaker says
I think you may be referring to a previous location of the “Mission of Buenaventura” (not actually a class V org “church”) which apparently has moved – and downsized, and downgraded – several times in the last decade, though it is still hanging on for now:
Church of Scientology, Mission of Buenaventura [2009 address]
http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entity.php?ntt=579
Ventura Mission has moved [2010]
https://whyweprotest.net/threads/ventura-mission-has-moved.65091/
Is Church of Scientology Ventura Mission Dead, Moved or Out For Maintenance? [2014]
https://whyweprotest.net/threads/is-church-of-scientology-ventura-mission-dead-moved-or-out-for-maintenance.119993/
The current address is in a single story commercial/industrial building – Scientology typically tries not to list the suite number so that it’s not obvious they’re not in a building all of their own, but I found this: 2368 Eastman Ave Unit 11B Ventura, CA 93003. Unit 11 was listed for lease several years ago at about 6,000 square feet, and presumably Scientology has just some part of that; I couldn’t find any listing for what might currently be in suite 11A, so it’s possible that the mission holder is surreptitiously running some other business out of the adjoining space.
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18394830/2368-EASTMAN-AVENUE-Unit-11-Ventura-CA/
Ammo Alamo says
Across from the Fire Training Center with railroad tracks behind. If there ever was anyone in session there, the sirens and trains would shock their hypnotized little minds back to reality, maybe. But the only sounds there will be the sound of a tree falling in a forest with no one there. The sound waves exist, but no one will hear.
“In the year 2929” was a cool old song. Someone make up one for “in the year 2029” with DM ruling over a number of empty, crumbling buildings, still sending out messages of 10X Expansion, and taking his annual scuba trip to dive the sunken Freewinds.
rosemarie says
This violates policy on how the location of an org should have tons of foot traffic. No justification.
I have a pen. says
Which PL is that?
Rip Van Winkle says
I no longer recall where this is from…..it’s not the Ideal Org LRH ED, that ones says,
“It would be located where the public could identify and find it.”
Foot traffic was always a consideration, for myself I’m not sure if it was in an HCO PL, ED, or just a program.
There was an issue that talked about having a place for public to hang out a bit, a friendly place to put down a shopping bag or something… along that lines.
PeaceMaker says
They abandoned that policy a decade or more ago. They’ve been buying buildings in office parks at least since Dallas opened in 2009 – the year after the Anonymous protests, which may have been what made them realize that they actually needed to get away from foot traffic.
Hubbard himself specified that Scientology’s leadership could justify various factors as senior to policy. Is it really a surprise that the Miscavige regime has decided that some ends justify the means?
Rip Van Winkle says
it’s so dumb for them.
Our Div 6 all hands on weekends were the thing that filled up the org and made it look all exciting and happening. We even got people on basic courses from it… not that many stayed, but it was a gas. Selling books, body routing, handing out flyers, OCAs, Reg Interviews… routing them to Basic Courses…
DM doesn’t get it. His “survey tech is way out”, he has no clue how people get sucked into scn.
…
And that’s just wonderful.
Wynski says
Rip, NO ONE could suck people in to scamology today. People KNOW what it is about now. LAMO
There is no magical survey “tech”. You are still sucking on Hubtard’s teet.
Rip Van Winkle says
I can see how you could think that…but no….. I’m not believing in any of the tek… it’s a tricky thing to accuse Scios of not applying the correct lunatic tek, it can make one look like a Win Hugger.
And that….I am most certainly, NOT! I’ve hucked every bit in the trash bin and constantly peel off more bits. (some stuff is so deep, I “feel” it’s true, even when I know it’s not – it pisses me off that my ‘gut’ is still so conditioned)
I was making fun of DM because he’s not even applying the tek. The bedrock core of Scn is KSW, right? So it’s SO freakin weird that they don’t even apply the most important thing to them. KSW is “out”.
It’s twisted. I know.
….
But also… there is truth in the concept of surveys. Hubbard didn’t invent the idea of asking people what they like and then trying to do that.
From old surveys, most people get in from personal contact, and personal follow up and “care”. The new Div 6 stuff is great, it will get NO ONE in. 🙂 All a bunch of screens and canned ham.
…….
and ..actually? I think that Scn is dangerous enough that if it went back to the “old ways” where it was all more personal and friendly, they COULD get people in still. Not like the old days… but there is still enough brokenness out there… people respond to love bombing.
Just my thoughts.
Aquamarine says
Rip,
I luvya but respectfully, YOU don’t get it.
Buying and renovating buildings has for some time had NOTHING to do with the “expansion” of Scientology. It is Miscavige’s scam to keep Scientology’s tax exempt status while “proving” to the sheeple that new buildings are desperately NEEDED (or else why would he be buying them? that’s how that circular logic goes) so that the Sheeple keep DONATING, so that he can buy MORE buildings and keep the IRS off his back, and so on, and so on, and so on.
Be they ordinary sheeple or Whales, this will continue for as long as the Sheeple DONATE.
Miscavige HAS TO buy buildings. He MUST acquire real estate. CO$ doesn’t feed the hungry, doesn’t house the homeless, doesn’t do ANYTHING or spend ANY money or time and effort doing anything for the community that other churches and tax exempt organizations do.
ALL he does is buy buildings, with other peoples’ money, whenever possible. This is his ONLY way of demonstrating to the IRS his “contributions” and “service to the community” which justify Scientology being tax exempt.
Mike explained this beautifully and at length in several former articles.
I believe many of the old timers have actually caught on by now which is forcing Miscavige to spend his OWN money to buy buildings.
Only the rock-dumbest of room A/C IQ people would not wise up to this scam ere long, but apparently there are those still donating to Ideal Morgues. As The Man said, none so blind as though who will not see, and so forth.
Rip Van Winkle says
…….in my last waning days before I woke up…..
I would listen to the lies at events..and inwardly shake my head at all the “outpoints” and obvious “omitted data” … and justify it, forgive it, as being somehow wrapped up in keeping spirits up and staying positive and theta, focusing on postulates..etc. Management may have failings, but it was all for the cause and LRH was the stable datum.
So
it just may be possible that many of the still ins, actually believe still. Some may believe in the Ideal Orgs or St. Hill games…
It’s deep hole.
Deeep Deeeeep hole.
I know….
I’m still crawling up………………and out
Aquamarine says
I understand, Rip. I understand that mindset.
As an illustration:
I know women who have a similar mindset about men they’ve been with for many years – men who in one way or another make them very unhappy. “I know he loves me, the other women mean nothing to him”…”He’s verbally abusive to me because ______and he’s trying hard to change but because of _________its hard for him, but I know he loves me”…”The children would be destroyed”…”The grandchildren are so attached to him”…”He doesn’t realize it but he needs me more than I need him”…”I’ve invested so many years and I have to make this work”. These women – and I know 4 of them – are unhappy, ANGRY, mistrustful and physically unhealthy. They will never leave. They have all their excuses and justifications – very noble ones, too. And each year they get more unhappy, angrier and sicker. Choices, you know?
Like these women I know, the Still In Scientologists, the old ones, are “invested”. Like these women who dedicated their lives to their relationships working out, the Still Ins have dedicated their lives to Scientology working out for them, coming thru for them. The older they get the more desperate they are to hold on. It should be the opposite, you know. It should be that the older they get the easier it should be to let go, because, we’re all going to die for one reason or another someday anyway. But no. They have to be RIGHT. Its sad, but they’ve made their choices.
With all the information that’s out there, if they haven’t left by now, or if they’re not UTR and planning to leave by now, then they’ll go down with the ship or die, whichever comes first. Given how unhealthy many of the old ones are, how stressed and cancer prone they seem to be, given their frequently deplorable state of health, they might just be trying to kill themselves off so they don’t have to confront having been wrong, for years and years and years. Possibly its just too painful.
Richard says
Rip – Thanks for the informative comments here and above. There are many variations in the depth of belief people had and still have in the current CoS which you express very well.
Sue says
Not sure what the lay out of the land is between Santa Barbra and Ventura – but – now ‘staff’ will be expected to commute? for a 50 cent an hour job??
In my mind – I’m saying – not frikken likely – then I remember who we are talking about!
SMH
PeaceMaker says
It’s about a half hour’s drive away. That’s enough to cause a drop-off in member participation, as well.
There’s an old commercial property (and church) location rule of thumb, that people aren’t willing to drive more than about 15 to 20 minutes for anything they patronize frequently – which is why most businesses and organizations build out multiple locations, rather than just single massive ones. I’ve analyzed the siting and demographics of some of Scientology’s orgs, and it appears that they are subject to that as well, and their expectation that people will be “unreasonable” and drive however far necessary to be at the org all the time does not necessarily pan out.
Wynski says
Yes, the “orgs’ are no longer about getting people to spend $ for scamology “services” That chicken long ago flew the coop and no person in their right mind is willing to pay for the privilege of being mind f#cked.
The buildings are all about staying tax exempt and for INTERNAL consumption to prove that scamology continues to expand so that the few remaining whales don’t bolt before they are picked clean.
This was the end game Hubturd envisioned and that is why he judged the highest levels of Cult management not by how many people went up the bridge to total scamdom but SOLELY by how many greenbacks where locked away in untouchable vaults.
Richard says
It’s possible that at one time Elron wanted people to go up the bridge and come into agreement with his philosophy and visions. Naturally he would remain Source and at the top of the heap. DM doesn’t care about people going up the bridge – he didn’t even do it himself. If nobody agreed with Elron’s philosophy and visions then he might have had to consider himself nuts. Nobody likes to consider themself nuts. lol
I’ve read that when he departed his estate was valued at over 600 million dollars and if that’s true then he did pretty well in that respect.
Cindy says
Richard, if you consider LRH did well by dying in a Bluebird trailer hiding from the law, shot full of Vistaril, and having had several strokes and no medical help for any of these said strokes, then I guess you’re right. But to me, it doesn’t make any difference how rich you are if your quality of life sucks, which LRH’s did ever since the 80’s or even earlier. His money didn’t buy him comfort in the end.
Richard says
Cindy – I was being facetious which didn’t come across. There was an expression in scn, “flow power to power”. I didn’t realize that a lot of the power (money) I was flowing was going into Elron’s bank accounts where it sat idle. These days DM lives a more lavish lifestyle than Elron did and a lot of the “power” flows to building empty Morgs which sit idle. Such irony and absurdity and many other descriptions.
Before the monthly price increases around 1980 I thought the prices were reasonable and I only paid for training and auditing so even if Elron was getting rich at least I was getting something for my money. That was then and this is now.
Agnes Black says
I’d rather donate money to the Sith c/o Emperor Palpatine DBA ONE SITH lol.
RetiredPRexec says
Curios about the sales price of the old building vs. the purchase price of the new building. I would think the downtown Santa Barbara location would yield more cash than the cost of the Ventura office park location.
I have always thought that the COS will show their cash flow problems when they start selling or downsizing their real estate holdings. (Once cash-out starts exceeding cash-in and the cash reserves are tapped.)
PeaceMaker says
I’m fairly sure that by the time they’re done with all the specialized high-end renovations that COB demands, the new facility will cost far more than the old building. And no prospective future owner of the building will likely want to pay for those, so it’s a loss in the long run – and in the case of an ugly, aging property like that, the next owner may buy it for just the underlying land value, scrape it off and build something contemporary.
By all accounts, Scientology’s reserves are large enough that it will be a long time before they have to face reality and actually give up on some of their prime property holdings. They might even have enough money, that were it properly invested (which it seems it may not be, as Hubbard provided typically inept and short-sighted guidance that reserves be kept in cash), the CofS could operate almost in perpetuity and keep skeleton staffs in the empty buildings.
The Dark Avenger says
According to Reonomy, a Zillow for commercial property, the assessed value as of last year for the Santa Barbara property is 2.3 million, rounded off. But it only covers 0.13 acres.
The Ventura property is 6.8 million. It’s 3.2 acres.
So it’s another CoS money sinkhold.
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jere lull (38years recovering) says
The dark Avenger offered:”So it’s another CoS money sinkhold.”
Guesstimating the definition of sinkhole (which my machine wants to ‘correct’ to sinkhole, ) You might have hit on a neologism which makes sense in DM’s world: Sink money into something that APPEARS to have value, then hold onto it for as long as it seems to have some possible value, such as protecting the kid’s diminutive derriere. Never mind that it’ll never be a money-maker in the conventional sense.
PeaceMaker says
I should add, I expect that at some point the CofS will first consolidate their far-flung properties in LA and perhaps Clearwater, probably adding to a few key facilities and touting it as “expansion” even as some lesser-known ones are disposed of. The thing is, they seem obsessed with the “stat” of ever-increasing square footage, so it’s hard to imagine how they can even do that unless they offset it by purchasing some large facilities in remote locations or foreign countries.
Also, my guess is that unless there is some “black swan” event that rocks Scientology internally, or some external intervention, they will keep up their increasingly empty real estate empire until Miscavige is no longer in power – and then he will end up labeled as the “who” for everything that is wrong, and has been papered over, and some radical changes may come about.
Wynski says
PeaceMaker, there is a major flaw in your prediction. Miss Cabbage will NEVER step down. By the time he dies he will have dismantled everything.
PeaceMaker says
Wynski, I assume it is most likely that Miscavige won’t give up power until he is “dead or incapable” – I agree that he’d never step down willingly, and it’s less than likely that anything else would force him out of the leadership. But I always leave room for unforeseen circumstances, and we don’t know for certain how his demise would play out, particularly if he follows Hubbard’s path into decrepitude before death, hence my ambiguous language.
I think he may actually manage to keep all the balls in the air until he dies, likely in he 2030s if he lives out his expected life span and none of his health risks catch up with him, but probably having to resort to spending down reserves to keep empty orgs open as Scientology’s donor pool shrinks, and ending up with a shell of an organization that delivers very little in the way of actual services and training. But then the new leadership will inherit a mess like Chavez left in Venezuela, with no resources remaining to loot to maintain appearances and keep the masses pacified, and collapse inevitable.
Do you think Miscavige would really somehow “dismantle” things, other than just presiding over the slow process of the CofS shifting away from actually trying to deliver Scientology “tech” (which has never actually worked) to finding ruses to extract the most money from adherents (which I would argue, actually started under Hubbard, such as with pre-payments and monthly price hikes)? I think he desperately wants to keep it together, presiding over a grand-seeming empire to be left as his legacy, and it will be up to his successors to try to downsize and sell off assets, which will be a too-little-too-late debacle somewhat like the demise of Sears.
Also, if something positive and unexpected happened like Tom Cruise stepping in with his half-billion dollar fortune, all bets would be off – until the IRS was finally willing to step in and declare that Scientology was being run more like a private club than a church. If Miscavige is like most Ponzi scheme operators and gamblers, he is actually trying to keep the balls in the air in hopes, if not even the belief, that some turn of events will make everything work out in the end.
jere lull (38years recovering) says
Peacemaker ventured:”Wynski, I assume it is most likely that Miscavige won’t give up power until he is “dead or incapable” ”
Well, he’s proven himself to be incapable time and time again, so we can only wait until he dies, which might not be too long now, given the bad habits he seems to relish, smoking like a chimney and drinking fine whiskey like it’s water. Of course, with all the enemies he’s accumulated, there’s always the possibility of a disgruntled “top exec” doing an R2-45 on him since I’ve heard that there are some firearms in the vicinity.
Not that I would ever espouse that happening, just saying ….
Balletlady says
OOOkkkkaaayyyy…..ssssoooo….,” to make up for this terrible location, they are going to increase their signage from one sign of 40 sq ft to 7 signs of 122 sq ft and a new “monument sign” closer to the curb. This should pull in tens of thousands who drive by every day (not…).”
Might I be BOLD enough to ENCOURGE Leah & Mike to RENT out a BILLBOARD in CLOSE proximity to theirs to offer help as in:
NEED HELP GETTING OUT….WE CAN HELP YOU….CALL THE AFTERMATH……….
Cece says
Why? If there is little to no public it won’t be seen.
Balletlady says
If even ONE person SEES the Billboard & calls for assistance it would have done it’s job. Word of mouth gets around as in :
“Hey I just saw that new billboard….thinking to themselves…. “Yeah, I haven’t been happy here lately, I’ve seen & heard things & sneaking peeks at the internet & I have some doubts….I I wonder what’s it’s all about…I have some change in my pocket, I think I’ll call anonymously and see if I can figure things out”…
Chuckles says
What they get out of this new site is freeway advertising. They can splash the word SCIENTOLOGY across the building and people can see it from the highway. It’s like buying a permanent billboard that they control.
PeaceMaker says
Scientology’s renderings for this building don’t show them improving the grimly unattractive look of it much, just painting the entryways a lighter color. Their latest strategy seems to be to buy the cheapest office park properties possible, which means undesirable unattractive ones from the 1970s and 1980s, such as a monstrosity in Albuquerque in a similar brutalist-inspired style (though I have yet to see evidence that they actually completed the purchase of the property).
I figure the remaining Santa Barbara members can’t be happy about moving from their nice longstanding building downtown, to this ugly monstrosity a half hour’s drive away. I’d love to hear from someone with insider information on how the locals are taking this.
Old Surfer Dude says
Whoa! They’re fucking doomed! “Now it will be a tiny failing “Ventura” Org. And nobody will even notice. That is my favorite line! Nobody will notice. It puts a smile on my face.
Skyler says
Hey Surfer Dude! I am very much looking forward to meeting up with you on that Big Celebration Day.
That is the day when The Scam finally dies. So many wonderful things will happen on that day. So many families will be reconnected. So many hugs and kisses. It will be a day of days!
IMO, California will be the perfect place to go to celebrate that day. I await that day with eager anticipation and what a day it will be! Singing and dancing in the streets all over the world.
Do you remember the song by Martha and the Vandellas, “Dancing in the Street”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhbM2mqhCQ
Martha and the Vandellas – Dancing in the Street (1964)
Calling out around the world,
Are you ready for a brand new beat?
Summer’s here and the time is right
For dancing in the street.
Old Surfer Dude says
I’m looking forward to that! But, keep in mind that it will be like a slow moving car crash. Did you notice the looks on the faces of the pics Mike post? Especially one of the last pic? There’s are NOT happy campers.
Skyler, we will have to use patience. But I am looking forward to the party! The other party I threw was pretty incredible.
Skyler says
Hey OSD. I didn’t see any faces in the pix in today’s blog. Are you referring to the pix in yesterday’s blog? Specifically to Joy Villa? If so I have to agree she doesn’t look very happy. She was probably selected for her name “Joy” than any other attributes – like her singing voice.
Alan Naldrett says
Maybe they can throw a street fair like the ones in Clearwater and L.A. That seems to bring in a lot of people (not!).
Kat LaRue says
Yeah- maybe they can block off the highway and charge a toll. That would bring in the cash
Peter Blood says
All about buying real estate now in their rush to the bottom and not actually BIAS (Butts in Auditing Seats). Brought about by a PICNIC (Problem Is Chairman – Nastiness In Cult).
Skyler says
Nicely done Peter. A very nice turn of words.
Old Surfer Dude says
I turned a word once. It bit me in the ass.
Craig says
Once again I have to comment since I have lived here in Ventura since 1981. This building, while it is along the freeway, is on a street that has ZERO car and foot traffic. That building is the only one on that little dead end road. There are also train tracks that run behind it.
Mike, I am curious as to what will happen to the little Ventura Mission that has moved buildings 3 times now. Will they have to join org staff? Is the SB staff coming with the move? That mission, which was run by Tom and Cathy Steiner for a long time, is where I did my purif and life repair as well as hundreds of tapes and lecture courses.
I go to the mission 2x a month to return their mail to them. This last time I saw 3 Sea Org members there out front. I found that curious for them to be at a tiny little mission.
I can’t wait for this ribbon yanking as they cannot block access to the train tracks or bird estuary.
Think that midget is coming to Ventura?
PeaceMaker says
Scientology no longer can “body route” passers-by so foot traffic isn’t an advantage anymore, and if anything I think their strategy is to put where members and staff don’t have to face the rejection of an increasingly hostile public, and the risk of ad-hoc “raids” by protesters who just happen to be nearby. It sort of fits with what I think Jeffrey Augustine has hypothesized as a trend towards “monastery Scientology,” and I refer to as “fortress Scientology.”
Theoretically the mission should go on, and of course each org is supposed to spawn 10 missions – another pipe dream that never actually happens. It seems that in most cases, as in Dublin in Ireland recently, the original nearby mission just ends up shutting down, presumably because it gets starved for business as the newly “ideal” org scours the local field trying to keep its own stats up. It occurs to me that with all the attention and Sea Org presence for an “ideal” facility opening, there may also be more chance for conflicts to arise with the old mission holders, and for them to end up disaffected and declared.
Kyle says
Wonderfull indicator of the health of your organization, that there is speculation that by simply having contact with the ‘clergy’ members will leave.
The ‘fortress’ mentality may also be the reason for them identifying with Jonestown being an action of gorilla warfare, not a mass suicide.
Martin Ottmann says
Within that context it fits perfectly that they bought a brutalism style building.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture
Richard says
It’s near a bird estuary?
Do birds fly?
Asking “Do birds fly?” or “Do fish swim?” repetitively was part of the Communication Course. Oddly enough it had a purpose, to ask the question each time in a “new unit of time” in scientology speak.
Off topic comment but when I read that a scn org is located near a bird estuary that’s what I thought of – lol
Frank Drebin says
Longtime listener, first time caller. Forgive me for asking what I’m sure has been asked before … but don’t the church members notice how empty and poorly attended these facilities are? How are their concerns typically handled?
FPjr says
Frank,
None so blind as those who will not look.
Aquamarine says
And every one of Those Who Will Not Look are de-facto criminals in their own right. Whether staff, Sea Org or public, every one of them is a Miscavige Mini Me nurturing and protecting their boss while indefatigably swindling for him. I know I should feel sorry for them and I do sometimes. Other times contemplating their stupidity and willful blindness fills me with anger and disgust. Psychopaths in training, all of them.
badbilly says
Frank, the SeaOrg and staff aren’t allowed to “notice” such inconvenient facts, much less mention or discuss them. The public members of the org have already donated thousand and thousands of dollars so there is no turning back. Imagine this exact scenario playing out at every Ideal Org all over the world.
Wynski says
DM when told that grand opening Mordor (I mean Santa Barbar Org) has to be delayed.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0P3HMDGD9MFyGD9llZ-exYu5Ma9cJMm_FcAhCvozLaw0Ly9rm6g
Kat LaRue says
Lol- priceless
Felix Krym says
Good for them moving out of a bustling downtown into a remote office building with no foot traffic. This should mean far fewer people will be conned into this cult.
SILVIA says
Perfect for Miscavige. He gets to add another property to his ghost real estate company, which makes him feel powerful and rich.
Also, by doing it this way ,he does not need any high executive to manage the organizations, nor to threaten his power. As long as he has the money, the rest does not matter.
Definitely a criminal sociopath. Poor followers.
jere lull (38years recovering) says
“And no one will notice”.
How true… Of ANYthing scientology does or doesn’t do — unless an ex- or anti- points it out.
Mary says
Sickening. On so many levels. Just sickening.