It is always interesting to see the publicly available information from some of these orgs — standing in stark contrast to the PR lies that are spouted at the “international events.”
The New York Ideal Org has a Facebook page where they keep track of each Clear they make. As you can see, one of their staff members attested to Clear a couple of weeks ago. It’s the latest entry on their FB page.
But they are very diligent about announcing their clears — apart from a few random posts about CCHR or the Birthday Event, it is pretty much all that appears on this FB page (which by the way, has a grand total of 1264 likes…)
So, it’s a pretty good measuring stick of the “Planetary Clearing” emanating from one of the first and most prominent of the “ideal” orgs in scientology.
It comes as no surprise that John Silvestro is the FIRST and ONLY Clear NY Org has made in 2017.
But that seems to be a little unfair as a sampling, so I went back a YEAR. This is the last one reported before John — on May 5th 2016!
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, and thinking perhaps they had an end of winter rush on making Clears, I went back to the beginning of 2016. There were 3 more. I guess you could call that a rush…
So, in all of 2016, the mighty $20 million dollar renovated NY Org made a grand total of FOUR Clears. 2 of the 5 Clears made since January 1, 2016 have been staff members.
Remember, this org has some unique factors in its favor: It is 100 yards from one of the most populated places on earth, Times Square. It is the continental org and has the Continental Management organization (CLO and CMO) right there, overseeing every move they make. There are 20 million people within 50 miles. And there is only one other Ideal Org in East Harlem and a non-existent org in name only on Long Island. That is it for “Clearing New York.”
I hate to break it to you scientologists — 4 people a year just isn’t making planetary clearing a reality.
It is an absurd joke. Wake up and smell the coffee people. You are in a deluded state. And if you think every other org is doing great and it’s just NY Org that is failing, that is just more delusion. I bet Harlem hasn’t made a SINGLE Clear in that time. Long Island probably has NEVER made a Clear. Buffalo hasn’t made one either. Same goes for almost every other org on earth. They are considered to be Super Orgs if they make 50 Clears a YEAR. In fact, not even the double SH Size, model, Sea Org, ideal LA Org has ever accomplished that. And if they made 50 a WEEK they would still be going backwards compared to population growth.
Scientologists – think for yourself, as long as its what we tell you to think.
Oren E says
I went to the New York Ideal Org’s facebook page to see how they’ve been doing since Mike wrote thist post. At the top of their page I saw a post about some man from a Scientology school doing a seminar. Next post below was a video about the LA org. The next post after that? Josh Silvestro attesting to Clear. That’s right, the very same post seen in Mike’s first screenshot. Apparently, NYC Ideal Org has produced only one Clear throughout the entirety of 2017.
That was not the only interesting observation I had while looking at the Org’s facebbook page. The Clear seen in Mike’s second screenshot is a woman named Sheila. Why can’t I see her anymore on the original page? The next post after Silvestro is an annoucement of some event and next one after that is Tami Maher attesting to Clear. Where’s Sheila? The post with her picture has been removed, suggesting to me that either her and/or the staff member pictued with her has been declared.
Zephfyrus says
This is Scn expansion, 20 years ago the LI org occupied about half of the ground floor and basement of the building they are in currently. Now, they have one little storefront at the corner of the building…..
Shelley Jackson says
So sad. As you said Mike, this is not peculiar to NY. Joburg Org suddenly had a flurry of Clear attests last year and then it just stopped as suddenly as it started. Not a single attest this year that I know of. Plenty “donation status upgrades” for Ideal mORGues though – there’s a renewed push to get all Ideal Orgs and the AO opened THIS YEAR – again. They need to “clear” the word/s “this year” because they’ve been claiming the same thing for the last 4 years now.
Juan Carlo Ocampo says
Clear is not a spiritual achievement…The clear doesn’t know what he said to become clear, the auditor doesn’t know what the pre-clear said to become clear, the CCR supervisor decides who moves to clear, Fake titles.
Chee Chalker says
Slightly OT……if Clearwater wants to understand how making a deal with Scientology will turn out, all they have to do is watch ‘Narcos’ (on Netflix).
There is no making deals with someone who believes they are above the law.
Andrue says
Just tack that onto their freeloader debt tab.
OTVIIIisGrrr8! says
Four clears a year in NYC is quite an accomplishment given the fact that 99.9999% of the city is on a Psych drug, is using street drugs, or is using both Psych drugs and street drugs.
Don’t make COB & Scientology wrong because the wogs populace of NYC likes to shovel pills into their mouths faster than a Flag reg can drain a bank account or max out a credit card.
In happier news, this Sunday is David Miscavige Day in Clearwater. COB will receive the key to city — which really isn’t a big deal given he owns most of the city already. This will be followed by a parade. COB himself will be unable to attend the event and so Church spokesman Mr. Ken Delusion will be accepting the awards, accolades, and gushing praises on COB’s behalf.
Aquamarine says
🙂 🙂
Rainbow says
30 years ago i met a SS Nazi Veteran. He still believed, that “we” made it, if the troops would have backed up the CO Hitler and his friend Himmler much more. He still was in the glory of the 1940 wins. The same story as with Scios and some exScios.
L Yash says
In the 1960’sI worked in the Legal Department of a major Financial Institution near Times Square. In those days there was a daily appearance in Times Square by the “hippie culture” whose young members became deeply immersed in the Hare Krishna movement.
The Krishna movement had these young people, mostly young boys/men wearing white robes, bells, partially shaved head, and bare footed, jumping up and down chanting and begging for money to support “their cause”.
Then the next organization for young people to join was “the Moonies”…..many young people grew into adulthood, or they either wise or disenchanted and moved on. Hopefully, the same thing will happen to CO$, with the help of getting the truth out there.
L Yash says
sorry, should read “or they either wised up or became disenchanted and moved on.”….
Mayflowers says
I attested to being a Natural Clear. Never mocked up a reactive mind. I wonder how many of those are out there?
Old Surfer Dude says
I’m a Natural Comic. My Super Powers are making people laugh…
Mayflowers says
Man, we need MORE of people like you. 🙂
Old Surfer Dude says
Thanks, Mayflowers!
Idle Morgue says
I was a past life Natural CLEAR who wanted to learn how to improve my dentist business….
I got sucked into $cienceofScamology and became a Confused Diamental Clear …
which led to the Bridge to Spritual Spinning and I became (according to my CERT – which was only good for a year) – a MEST Clear on the 1st Dynamic only.
Seeing clearly – that I mocked up my reactive mind but could stop it and control it ….
as long as the threat of losing my eternal salvation depended on it..
not to mention the expensive $ex Check$ to keep me in line….
I then became a thetan who was CLEAR on the 1st dynamic but apparently fucked up on the rest of the dyanmics cuz a butt load of BT’s were leaching off of me – making me pay to “CLEAR” them…the little free loaders…
and then I became CRYSTAL CLEAR when I watch “Going Clear” by Lawrence Wright and Alex Gibney …
of course … Debbie Cook started the whole thing…. with that kick ass e-mail.
Thanks Debbie – Lawrence and Alex for the making the $cientology Cult Clearing a reality.
Valerie says
I’m curious of those clears shown attesting how many of them had already previously then been told “whoops you’re not really clear” let’s try it again and how many times on the hamster wheel they’ve gone. Their the biggest problem here the re re re re re dos.
These are even more dismal stats even when they’re real because it’s a probability that some if not all of these people have already attested to clear before so the process is really basically going backwards with all the previous clears being told “whoops! No you aren’t really clear!”
George M. White says
The problem that I saw in Scientology was that even when I hit OT VIII, Hubbard really delivered nothing. Literally nothing because that is what he defined the thetan as.
This state of “clear” is also costly and made too complicated.
The Hub started by copying out of Occult books without an overall outline. These isolated “cuties” that he copied eventually contradicted each other. Some almost word for word. He says you do not need to audit the GE. He won’t tell you he screwed up his definition of the spirit. Then he reverses himself and says audit the GE. Hub does not confess that he did not know about DNA in 1952. He says the human mind is like a primitive adding machine. He gets that wrong. But the biggest lie is that this fat man said he was the Buddha, the Buddha’s teacher, and the future Buddha. Then he says there is no Nirvana and goes back to Hindu Scripture. Then he misinterpreted the Vedas which he claimed as part of his source. Then he goes back to earlier esoteric texts. Miscavige threw out all of Hubbard’s circle logic in 1989. He then invented his own religion from the mess that Hubbard left. Only a very few now want to be e-meter junkies. The only course of action is to glorify the state of Clear as much as possible because there is literally nothing beyond it to now sell for money.
My 2 Cents says
George,
A few years ago on Marty’s blog you repeatedly said that Theraveda Buddhism “is all we need.” Now you’re posting more about the Occult and its technology. Did Theraveda turn out to NOT be all you need? What happened? And could you recommend understandable books that lay out Theraveda and Occult technologies so we can see for ourselves what you’re talking about?
Harpoona Frittata says
Not fair, M2C. Elron was never required to cite his sources or give credit to the many authors, spiritual traditions and schools of psychology.psychiatry from which he “borrowed” many of his system’s core concepts and methods, so why should George be held to any higher standard of scholarship here?
Figuring out how the scam was perpetrated is a hobby of many inquisitive and scholarly folks here. Tracing this long-running con back to its “basic-basic” helps folks to understand how they fell for such ludicrous and obviously made up space opera nonsense and is an essential process of finally becoming completely “clear” of $cn for many of us ex-members. But it also works to inoculate others against falling for these tricksy $cilons fast line of bullshit to begin with, so they don’t ever have to experience the total mindfuck of $cn in the first place.
Meanwhile, after Reza’s Believer series episode on Indie $cn, inquiring minds wish to know: Which of these tiny Indy covens do you belong to? Did Reza get it right, is there only a small handful of rapidly aging true believer $cilons left in the wild? Should we look into getting them declared an endangered species, so they don’t go extinct on us here or what?
Countmeinthetan says
And the “Hitting the Nail On the Head” award goes to Harpoon Frittata!
My 2 Cents says
Harpoona, I wasn’t challenging or debating George. I’m actually interested in what I asked about.
Also, I don’t belong to any of the “Indie covens” as you put it. I have my own observations and understanding.
George M. White says
My2 Cents – Great question!
We are more deeply into Theravada Buddhism than ever. It turned out to be all that my wife and I need and more. Our level of practice has soared. There is no turning back. A few more steps and we have already picked out monasteries. But we have not reached the level of renunciation of children.
More work to be done. Religion is a personal adventure. I suspect others have found their paths. There is a very significant thing about Theravada which is not well known. The higher you get, the less likely you are to try to get others into it. Buddha’s words ring like a loud bell. Let them “come and see”. I spent ten years as point man in a Vihara and found only 1 in 100 with any real interest. Most of these drop it. Only a few are left. We talk total renunciation which is rare today. You probably noticed how I dropped pictures of the Buddha etc. They have no real value. I shifted to the Occult with space invasion and dolls. These are better.
The Occult study is just plain fun. You caught me and I should have been caught earlier when I implied that the Occult is a correct path. Study of the Occult has helped me understand the Occult aspects of Theravada Buddhism which are many. They call Theravada “Hinayana” or the minor way because it truncates a lot of suttas from the esoteric tradition. Theravada just says the same thing over and over and does not try to explain more than is needed. So
Theravada expands only when applied to mental activity but not speculation.
But still Theravada is loaded with Devas and Serpents. In fact, understanding the Occult nature of these helped to see why Hubbard put everyone onto that silly OT V drill and the OT VII level. You end up working with matter and not the spirit. So the whole bridge comes down. You can never reach super normal that way and he was too limited to see it.
The Occult study was started to figure out Hubbard’s sources. I have literally fallen on the floor reading the Occult and being hit with echoes of Hubbard.
I have data which will be released later. Hub changed a lot of names and ides from the Occult into his own brand. I think, in the end, this is the reason why OT VIII never worked. When I first read it on the Freewinds in 1988, I knew it was Occult but he was not explaining his terms. He jammed a lot of Occult into about 5 pages and expected everyone to just agree. After studying the main aspects of the Occult, you get to see how confused he was.
GMW
My 2 Cents says
Thanks, George. I’d like to know more about what you found in your side study of the Occult. Can you recommend a good book that summarizes it in a simple manner?
George M. White says
You are welcome. I’m working on an article, a book and a free website. It may take six months. There is no single source about the subject of Hubbard. It is scattered. I read over 5,000 pages so far of Theosophy, Crowley and Blavatsky. There is so much data that it is like a mountain. For example, Blavatsky wrote about the Occult as early as 1875. I am still reading it. There are hundreds of sources. The 19th Century Occult movement was huge. It even spread to Hitler. The Hub was hiding from us.
marildi says
George, I’m curious about something you said above regarding Hubbard copying from occult books – “some almost word for word.” Can you give an example of this?
I Yawnalot says
There’s a similarity of think & result here that resounds through a number of so called “technologies of the mind or spirit”. After a while they don’t deliver what they promise, especially on a materialistic plane. I guess the attainment of immortality in human form will always result in a merry-go-round of types back to where you started. Maybe the arrogance of the human spirit in being forced to change it’s mind about “its” survival goals as the body vessel encounters its own travails with body/environmental issues/aging & other nasty beings interfering is all what life in this universal form offers. Possibly there is a way out but would you come back to the these ‘rules of engagement’ and risk getting caught again if you did find the door? God has a lot to answer for… catch me if you can, is his/her/its motto imo, even if does turn out to be you!
Jonny says
I was certified clear in May of 1981 while I was serving as the Tech Sec of ASHO Day. What it did for me was nothing. But I did realize the corruption of C of S and my part in it. Which I had suspected for a while. I left that fall. I have never met Mr. Rinder but I applaud him for exposing the lies. As we use to say ” VERY WELL DONE.”
Old Surfer Dude says
Jonny, I refused to attest because NOTHING had changed! My auditor, Dave Petitt, now CO of CCLA, kept saying, “Just attest!” I declined.
DodoTheLaser says
Respect, Old Surfer Dude!
Old Surfer Dude says
Thanks, Dodo! Coming from you means a lot to me.:
DodoTheLaser says
Very welcome. Thank you, good sir.
Mayflowers says
Why can’t the people that are still in there see the corruption and bull crap that’s happening? Are they that blind? I know, I was in scn. so I know what Mike is saying is true. I just can’t understand how they don’t see the truth?
Mayflowers says
Or is it because they are bullied into submission? So sad.
Old Surfer Dude says
What you just said.
clearlypissedoff says
They think that it is just their mOrg that is dead as a doornail. They’ve been told that the other ideal mOrgs are booming. Also, they all need to donate more money to this $3 billion fraud religion so they can start with their planetary dissemination on a cable channel that no one will ever watch … ever. I would rather watch infomercials selling the latest mouse trap (2 for 19.95 if you order now).
Rob says
But wait there’s more…
Cece says
Most have been carefully groomed to stop them self’s from looking.
dchoiceisalwaysrs says
When you are driving up a mountain road with you gaze fixed on the mountain top to which you ardently desire there can be a problem if you are slipping into a rut. As that rut deepens and widens even the original road can seem to disappear. Then as the rut takes you along its twists and turns it becomes near impossible to drive anywhere but in it. Yet, you envisioned arriving at the mountain top so you put hope in 4 wheel drive.
By the time you realize that the rut does not go to the mountain top, and the road left long ago behind, it takes tremendous strength to admit it was only a journey with a dead end and then take control of your life vehicle again blow a new path to a real attainable destination.
Bravo to all who have taken back that control. I wish you good roads ahead.
thegman77 says
I can remember the NY Org on 32nd Street in the rundown Hotel Martinique. The hottest US org, first one ever declared in Power, Day and Foundation, with the Power declare coming directly from LRH. That was back in the late 60s. The place was jammed with both students and pcs and it was a hell of a lot of fun, as well. Now, in their upgraded digs, MUCH higher rent, it’s nothing but struggle, struggle, struggle. How far they have fallen!
Oren E says
Look at the woman holding the clear certificate in the last picture… She has a “what have I done” face with a smile forced on it.
McCarran says
Look at the first guy! He looks like, “This is it? Really?”
Aquamarine says
My New York City friend knows this young man. Both his parents are long time NY Org staff. He’s a born-in, on staff since his early teens. My friend isn’t sure but believes it likely that he dropped out of high school to work there full time as have some children of other long time staff at New York Org. My friend also believes the SO is gunning for him. Well, as Mike says, the CLO EUS is right around the corner from this org…poor kid.
Aquamarine says
Off topic but this guy is a prime example of low hanging fruit for the SO recruiters. No education, no life experience, primed to fail in the real world by his parents, working 60 hours per week, earning nothing, producing nothing,COMPLETELY aware of his org’s utterly dismal stats and as such dealing all the time with his and his group’s “failed purpose” – yeah, they’ll get him. Give him a few more years, if even that. Because, as everyone knows, the solution to failed purposes is to join the Sea Org. Poor kid.
Cindy says
Spot on, Aqua. My son was on staff at LA Org and was frustrated at “no being able to make a difference” cuz not many bodies in the shop etc. His solution to this was to join the SO where he could “really make a difference” and “where they are really kicking but — in the SO!” A shame that they then jump from the pan into the fire.
L Yash says
Like some very strict religions, these kids are raised to obey without question, the parent, leader/mentor. They know no other life, it’s what they’re use to, and in other religions it would be deeply ingrained in them that they will “disappoint their deity/leader” if they fail to comply with any/all requests put to them. It’s more or less the fire and brimstone approach, as in you will lose your eternal soul should you fail to obey.
Fear is a great motivator, fear of the unknown, fear of trying to make it on their own with no money, no real education, no friends outside the organization/group, and total fear of disconnection abandonment by their loved ones.
My heart aches for these youngsters, they truly don’t know what lies ahead for them as this fake way of salvation and many lives to come in the future NOT being available to them should they “blow” has shaken them to the core of their meager existence.
Old Surfer Dude says
All smiles in the cult are forced. Their cheeks must hurt like hell by the end of the day…
Mayflowers says
Did you notice how all the smiles on all of them totally lack compassion, love, caring? They’re all like “look at me!” smiles.
Old Surfer Dude says
That’s because they really don’t have ANY love,compassion or kindness. They’re just auto bots.
Razz says
So true. None if them are allowed to have compassionate n or kindness. In a snitch society like this one it keeps one off balance trying to please DM and the rest of the LRH crap that he invented. Such a money hungry bunch. Money is truly what they worship. Nothing else. Never once have they helped the less fortunate. The Salvation Army runs circles around this so called religion.
Aquamarine says
In addition to lacking compassion, they’re also smug.
“We’re Scientologists – you’re not. We’ve got the answers – you don’t”.
And I’m cringing as I write this, because I used to be this way – inside.
I hid it, but inside I was smug.
OMG. Cringe, cringe, cringe.
Space cadet on leave says
Hi Mike love your Blogs ….
I Write with personal knowledge that there are many Scientologist out there that read your blog ( Be it at night under the Blanket by touch light) ….as i am a ex Scientologist and in contact with lots of members that are still in !some half out so to speak and lots that are helping others to get away…..your blog helps people like me to talk and show (when willing to look) members that are waking up !
exemplaryangel says
Kudos, Space! Your comments are exactly what Mike needs and deserves right now. While the rest of us support, encourage and join in once in awhile, it is you and those still inside or half way out, that he is tirelessly working for. I commend MR for all that he so courageously does, and you Space, and all those like you, that enable him to preserve and truly see that he is indeed making a significant impact!
exemplaryangel says
Preserve was supposed to be persevere. Damn spell check
Old Surfer Dude says
Ok. I damn thee, spell check!
Space cadet on leave says
Thanks for your comment exemplaryangel
I Yawnalot says
Well done Space Cadet. There’s a saying in the military sphere of activity, “up the guts with plenty of smoke.” The Cof$’s greatest threat it faces comes from within – go for it!
Camouflage is also an art form, deliciously dangerous and exciting if you can master it.
Space cadet on leave says
Thanks for your comment I Yawnalot
dchoiceisalwaysrs says
This is wonderful information Space. Fresh detail of how the Bubble is unfolding as it should as the light from here and so many other places nourishes the undernourished. Thanks for this.
Ms. B. Haven says
Mike sez:
“I bet Harlem hasn’t made a SINGLE Clear in that time. Long Island probably has NEVER made a Clear. Buffalo hasn’t made one either. Same goes for almost every other org on earth.”
In fact, there have been NO ‘clears’ made in an org or outside of one. Ever. In the early days, just across the river in Elizabeth, the Old Grifter set up shop and claimed to be making ‘clears’ and training others to make ‘clears’, but none have ever been made. Sure lots of certificates have been handed out but there are still no ‘clears’. To the best of my knowledge, there has been no public display of a ‘clear’ since the Sonia Bianca debacle in LA in the early 50’s. Lots of money has been siphoned out of people’s pockets since then selling them on that promise of spiritual freedom, but the only thing anyone ever got was some kool-aid flavored snake oil.
LOOK, DON’T LISTEN people. It is about the only decent advice Hubbard ever gave, and he probably stole that phrase too…
exemplaryangel says
Look don’t listen. He derived that from what he learned as a writer. One of the first rules of writing is “Show don’t tell” . Same concept, different perspective.
Mark Granger says
There should be lots of clears now that they know that all the need to say is “I just realized that I have been mocking up my own reactive mind and now I am not doing it any more” and bingo they are clear!
Old Surfer Dude says
Yep! So….no need for the grades! All you have to do is say the magic words, and presto chango…..you’re now Clear! Then the nagging doubts will start creeping in. “I still feel the same.”
Victoria Pandora says
How about “I just realized the reactive mind is a construct of entrapment that I am no longer literally buying in to”?
Wonder how that would go down? Haha.
hgc10 says
Clear, schmear. Let’s talk about what really matters — all the status upgrades. Statuses are straight up and vertical. Statuses are making planetary clearing a reality, not clearing.
Old Surfer Dude says
Statuses are the new case gain…
WhatAreYourCrimes says
Every “clear” (unless a pampered delusional celebrity clear) eventually realizes the entire arduous, expensive path to the state of “clear” was a complete waste of time.
To face the truth is so difficult, and to feel the absolute betrayal and lies of an organization you devoted so much of your existence to… it is like you have been punched in the stomach, and the sensation goes on for weeks, months, and even years.
What a dreadful and horrific evil LRH inflicted on his fellow humans. He really is what he said he was, an antiChrist.
Aquamarine says
“To face the truth is so difficult…it is like you have been punched in the stomach, and the sensation goes on for weeks, months, and even years.”
Yes, exactly, and THAT is why they keep twisting and turning and explaining and justifying and avoiding and dubbing in what they have ALREADY glimpsed as the truth.
Its too painful to be recognized, let alone confronted.
And the more they twist and turn away the more dreadful what they won’t look at becomes, and so they twist and turn away more, and get more deaf, more blind, etc,. They’re dumb and dumber, until eventually they’re the dumbest assholes imaginable, with us smacking our foreheads and wondering how this level of dumbness could even be possible.
Aquamarine says
Mike, you’re being unfair to New York Org. You know very well that at any given time, half of all the foot traffic in Times Square are illegal PCs!
So, in that Google is my friend, and states that 26 million people visit Time Square each year, which breaks down to 50,000 people per day, in reality, there are really only 25,000 people within a few hundred feet of this org every day… 🙂
Seriously, when we visited and toured that area the sidewalks were so crowded we could barely move.
Four Clears…hip hip hooray…SAD.
K Mashaun says
Thought this was interesting. Top 100 non-profits. Some are religious groups…not one is scientology: https://topnonprofits.com/lists/best-nonprofits-on-the-web/
exemplaryangel says
Scientology. Nonprofit? Snort!
exemplaryangel says
More like non Prophet!
Wynski says
The Red Cross is problematic (cough) with its exec comp compared to other like orgs. Particularly collections to exec comp ratio
http://www.businessinsider.com/executive-compensation-at-the-red-cross-2012-11
Rob says
I thought my home org. was completely dead, guess not. Just have to keep trying!
Gus Cox says
Hey, look at the bright side: At least the staff are getting some services!
Old Surfer Dude says
And they’re the only ones…
I Yawnalot says
It’s one of the better examples of Command Intention I’ve seen for some time. Carry on Scientology NY, you’ve got the bank by the balls now!
DodoTheLaser says
Telling, indeed.
In my humble opinion, “becoming Clear” is simply a self-confidence/reassurance booster for a human being who deals with issues of mortality, meaning and all.
Nicely backed up and validated by a group of people emerged in the same system of thinking, straight from the “source”.
Being good to self and others, creative, progressive, artistic, constantly learning and sharing is what Clear and OT should be.
No scientology necessary. And it’s free.
DodoTheLaser says
Correction. Entangled, not emerged.
PeaceMaker says
Dodo, the idea of “clear” in Scientology is similar to, and significantly plagiarized from, Buddhist concepts approximated in the popular phrase “taming the monkey mind.” Other religions and practices, and psychotherapy, often approach much the same thing, and people often just start to achieve it on their own as they mature. I think it’s a worthy thing, and society and our world would indeed be better off if we had more ways to assist people in that sort of personal growth.
Unfortunately, Scientology has regimented it in strange ways, and packaged it will all sorts of baggage and costs, such as the obvious financial ones. That includes an indoctrinated worldview that is egoistic (glorifying the individual ego as the ultimate good) and utilitarian (believing that the ends of an individual or organization, justify using any necessary means to achieve them) in contradiction to Buddhism and most of the world’s traditions. Some Scientologists, and people who just do Dianetics, probably do actually achieve some of that good due to their participation and processing, though of course offset by the detriments.
I think it’s best said that in Scientology the past lives material and the OT levels are more the “self-confidence/reassurance booster”. I can’t speak to any value in them, and worse yet the way Scientology (including most of the independents, apparently) process them is provably just way of eliciting imaginary material (similar to dreams – which, oddly, Scientology avoids processing) from the human mind, and leaves people with false memory syndrome. Then, Scientology’s reincarnation doctrines are exploited to get individuals to downplay the importance of this life, and things like family connections, and instead sacrifice for the organization.
I hope that’s useful – and that others will agree it is at least in the ballpark of being descriptive.
DodoTheLaser says
Thank you PeaceMaker. Great points.
dchoiceisalwaysrs says
very much in the ballpark. Add in a little limbic components and a lot of shyster social tools to spice it up. Yummy that is right on the mark!
Junk Phrases says
Mike, I really hope it sticks in COB’s craw that the only “millions” involving Scientology are the people that watch “Scientology the Aftermath.” Living well is the best revenge, especially with your beautiful wife and kids.
Mick Roberts says
This is very telling about the current state of the Church of Scientology. Hopefully some folks inside the bubble read this post and give a lot of consideration whether they wish to continue to expend their limited time and even more limited money to stay aboard a sinking ship…..a ship that doesn’t appear to be able to stay afloat for much longer.
Ronn S. says
Come on now Mike, at least they can [make you clear] now. For a while all the Bay Area Ideal Orgs had to send their attests to SF to sort those out who “thought” they were and to attest. I reckon by now Davie has a few more qualified Ideal Orgs on board. Some CS “clearly” has received the Miscavige sort out on what a Clear is to be. And he sorta looks the part.
Ronn S. says
And to your other major points (sorry got ahead of myself), well, 20 million within 5 miles… omg… 5 Clear in a year………. that is just some amazing shit… wappadoodha.
I Yawnalot says
20 million + 5 to the 54 power of BTs within 5 miles of an Org – piece of cake. 5 Clears is powerful stuff! The remarkable thing about Scientology is that it brings space opera to you, no need for no stinking space ships and stuff – grab a meter, some space cootie tek and SHAZAMM!
Wynski says
It is all over except for the few remaining staff and public.
The
ONLY question left is what DM will do at the end. Leave with the cash or implode and off himself.
Cindy says
As far as money-providing public, only 2 Clears were made as the other two were staff. So with only 2 public made into Clears in a year, that is not much of a feeder line to the AO and Flag for OT Levels, and forget about a feeder line to the Ship. That is nonexistent.
JustLook! says
Shocked!! I am shocked!
Old Surfer Dude says
I believe the line goes: I’m shocked! Shocked I tell ya!
Old Surfer Dude says
“…think for yourselves, as long as it’s what we tell you to think.” Nothing changes.
Francois Tremblay says
As we say in the Church of the Subgenius, “You’ll PAY to know what you REALLY think!”
Old Surfer Dude says
Whoa! Now that’s heavy…
omegapaladin says
Scientology is all downstat, all the time.
threefeetback says
Dave,
Delusion Alert Update:
There is some business to take care with the fat guy in North Korea. Then the crosshairs will trained on the small fry; that means you.
Juan Carlo Ocampo says
and Syria for that matter, and all that actually helps the cult to stay alive, the country not focusing on them
Lawrence says
Mike wrote:
“I hate to break it to you scientologists — 4 people a year just isn’t making planetary clearing a reality.”
I comment:
“4 People a year go Clear and 10 OT VIII’s a year die of cancer (sic).”
You don’t suppose there is a booby trap somewhere do you? 🙂
Brian says
Spring loaded and ready to eat your brain
Old Surfer Dude says
I ate brains once. It didn’t raise my IQ…
I Yawnalot says
Yeah… but how would you know if it did or not? Some poor critter gave up it’s brains for what… a trip out into the surf and a mouthful of sand?
Old Surfer Dude says
It was the brain of a walking dead. It caused my IQ to plummet. It went from an IQ of 80 to 65. Thank goodness I don’t use my brain for surfing…
I Yawnalot says
Revenge of the Scientology Zombies? Now’s there’s a movie theme if I’ve ever heard of one, nice one Brian!
L Yash says
Or the name of a new heavy metal rock band:
“Xenu & the Body Thetans”
Old Surfer Dude says
ROTFLMAO! I’d pay good money to hear that band!
I Yawnalot says
That’s good and maybe “Davy and the Cluster Fucks” does the intro stuff.
Old Surfer Dude says
Whoa! Another great post!
chuckbeatty77 says
No worries. They’re immortal beings, and they come back! There’s eternity still to go.
Some might even be as OT as Ron, and they may join him doing some OT running rehab, like Ron, around their favorite star.
Don’t be so downtone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pguMUFyJ3_U