The church lawyers who stand on their hind legs in court and proclaim the absolute sanctity of pc folders should get a load of this.
The lies the church tells the public, media and courts about how NOBODY can access pc folders except the auditor and C/S are exposed by the “CF I/C OTC DK Org” (I guess the OTC is now a “shadow org” with duplicate posts to the org itself). The fact that a public person is recruiting other random public to “go through pc folders” and “pull out data” is one of the more remarkable FB posts I have come across.
So typical of the RCS. Virtually everything they say in court is a lie designed to forward their objectives. If they don’t want to turn over evidence of their abuses, they tell the courts nobody can access pc folders. Meanwhile, this is reality. If they want to prevent Miscavige from having liability, they tell the courts he has NO involvement in the activities of the church — meanwhile, he is micromanager par excellence (and if they think you want to hear how amazing he is, his own staff will tell you he does literally everything — see the declarations they filed with the Tampa Bay Times).
Mike, I really like the picture at the top of this post.
Is there any body available to photo-shop it , and add a Minister’s cross? (Looks like he almost has a good enough collar for it.)
I remember..The tripod, camera and VHS recorder took up half the room. If the PC didn’t want to have their session recorded I’d haul that stuff out of the room.This was back in the ’80s on the BC. I can’t even conceive of recording a session without the PC totally OK with it. And the tape would be erased soon afterward.
Yes. I remember those days as well.
Amidst all this abuse, a little ray of light if you please:
I have come to the frightening conclusion that I am the decisive element. It is my personal approach that creates the climate. It is my daily mood that makes the weather. I possess tremendous power to make life miserable or joyous. I can be a tool of torture or an instrument of inspiration, I can humiliate or humor, hurt or heal. In all situations, it is my response that decides whether a crisis is escalated or de-escalated, and a person is humanized or de-humanized. If we treat people as they are, we make them worse. If we treat people as they ought to be, we help them become what they are capable of becoming.
~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Thanks for the quote. Good one. I find great quotes helpful in my own recovery, especially since there is no Cultanon.
Glad you liked it Mary.
Wonderful quote. Thanks, MJ!
🙂
Karen,
Remember back in the bad old days when we used to ask the PC if they wanted their session recorded?
Now it’s just done without any kind of consent at all.
I wonder how many PCs know that their sessions are being recorded without their consent in the Church these days?
The FCC requires a person getting a tech support call to be notified…every time…that the conversation may be recorded for quality assurance and training purposes. Too bad the “church” doesn’t have a little sign underneath a visible camera lens that says the same thing.
Welcome to the “new and improved” and Government approved “Church of Scientology” POT where the whole damn organization figures its above the law.
Actually I think under quite a number of States Criminal Codes it’s illegal to record someones conversation with out their permission.
Currently I think they have the parishioner which rhymes with “sucker” BTW sign some kinda waiver allowing them to do that which doesn’t make it right though does make this violation of privacy difficult to prosecute.
They’re above petty wog law. NOT.
Priest Penitent privilege indeed !
http://youtu.be/HHOGatS9qT4
This same project was done at PAC when LA Org was getting their CF into PT around the time the Basics were released. The pc folders were not ransacked. Mainly what was wanted was the last known mailing address and the most recent OCA so the person could be contacted and “salvaged.” Weird that it was posted on FB though.
Can’t this be kept and used in any upcoming court cases?
I remember one time I was in the Sandcastle, fixing something in the building. A door in the HGC opened and there were about a dozen staff watching a monitor, showing a session happening in an auditing room down the hall. I looked at the screen and saw it was John Travolta getting the session. The hidden mic and cameras were transmitting everything. A few minutes later I saw him come out of the auditing room with his auditor. I wondered what he would have done if he realized how his privacy was invaded.
That’s a great point Mike.
My wife was the “CF I/C” for the folder project in Seattle. They have the OTC bypass the staff because to try to get the staff to get the folders in order is a pipe dream.
If the courts ever wanted evidence that LOTS of people rifle through the “confidential” PC folders all they would have to do is get any OTC member who worked on the folders to come in and be questioned about their involvement under oath and threat of perjury.
The way the Seattle Org did it was to have my wife pick some people to go through the folders to see what case actions the person had so they could update to PC folders for regging. The Director of Special Affairs Anne Peirce would approve the people who were to go through the PC folders. She should be called in to a court room and questioned along with all OSA Directors as they are all directly involved in this.
Interesting that the DSA approves people.
It’s like having Genghis Khan give a course on proper etiquette.
Or Hitler showing Orthodox Jews how to serve pork.
Gosh, remoteviewed, i must know you. I audited there also when Sandy was there.
You and MJ make me laugh. Thanks.
Hi Mary,
Your name looks familiar too.
Did you audit in Div IV or Div IVA?
Robin
And it isn’t even SO pouring over folders. It is also the course sup, the auditing course sup and the student auditors and their twins for drilling them up for session. They all look at folders too.
“This is the session. You do not have the right to remain silent. Forget about the code of honor – it died in Scientology in 1963. .Anything you say can and will be held against you by a reg, recruiter or ethics officer….. Do you have an ARCX?”
Gee, just seemed to lose my voice.
The Code of Honor was alive and well at SFO until we lost Bob Rezzonico. He was a stickler in Qual about getting people to understand the Code of Honor, including the part about its use being at the discretion of the user. Bob was great.
LOL. I remember a session in which I made an innocent comment that someone had lovely hair. The auditor ended the session. I was whisked to ethics and interrogated. There was nothing there to find. I was released to go back to session. How would you feel about opening up in that kind of environment?
I’ve commented that I think highly of most auditors. This was not one of them.
If the public comes to understand the bait and switch that Scientology uses, they will beat a path in the opposite direction. The bait is the love bombing at the beginning, the applause at your success story, the intense validation. The switch is when you are hooked and you realize that you are owned, and they no longer have to be nice to you — and aren’t, even when you are behaving. And if you decide to leave, that blazing smile turns into a blistering glare.
When I was in the SO, the amount of joking and degrading that I heard QUAL STAFF doing about other Sea Org members based on data in their PC folders was so disturbing to me, I knew for certain I would never go up the Bridge in the Sea Org because it was 100% unsafe to get off discreditable withholds — which are the only REAL withholds worth getting off.
One other issue really nailed this one home as well…
Getting off withholds in session is supposed to be like confession in Church. There are supposed to be ZERO actual penalties for withholds gotten off in session. Makes sense right? It’ supposed to be SAFE to get off withholds. Otherwise who the hell would get them off?
Something odd started happening on PUBLIC delivery lines, which was being pushed by RTC.
All of a sudden the Snr C/S of certain SO orgs started routing PCs to ethics to “handle” withholds gotten off in session. The Tech C/S’s would say to the Snr C/S “what are you doing? This is a session withhold. It’s not actionable”. The Snr C/S would say “This overt was committed on such and such a date, and this PC had an ethics interview at some later date after that, and this withhold never came up…so the PC specifically withheld this overt until he could get it off in session…so it’s actionable”.
This was a Flag Trained Class VIII Snr C/S whose ass was ridden all day long by RTC Reps with less training than her.
Well…this is true…IF the PC actually very specifically did NOT get off an overt he was being asked for during an actionable ethics interview or sec check, and intentionally waited until they were in a real auditing session to get off the overt, LRH says PC’s can’t do that and expect protection.
But that wasn’t the case in these instances. It was now being adjudicated that since the overt simply “hadn’t come up” in an ethics interview, it therefore had been intentionally withheld.
And so sessions that PC’s were willingly paying THOUSANDS of dollars for…were no longer safe places to even get off withholds.
When I saw this happening, I knew it was the beginning of the end.
I sometimes wonder if those issues like Confessional Tech Policies and the one you mention about withholds were written by the Ol’man or someone else.
My solution to handling that was just to write “PC Itsa” or just “overt” or “w/h” or if I really wanted to practice my penmanship “PC itsa overt” or “withhold” on my worksheet per Xdn Lecture 3 Auditor Administration. 😉
Funny never got any guff for that even though I anticipated it. Either because the C/S didn’t bother reading the W/Ses anyway or were familiar with the ref.
Needless to say it was like pulling teeth to get me to do a HCO Confessional even after doing the HSSC FPRD and especially after doing that abomination called “Sec Checkers School” which I got sent to for allegedly missing a withhold on a PC.
(It was the latest craze for busting auditors back then after the ol’ falsification of Worksheets ran its course.
Funny how the Orgs’ viewpoint changes when most of their Tech Staff ends up in ethics and they can’t deliver.
Back then it was a concern. Probably now a days they probably don’t twice about it since they’re not really there to deliver the tech.)
A PC I happened to auditing on Int at the time which didn’t seem to matter to James Marchand.
Who was the key reason I saw greener pastures at AOLA as a non SO that is until Joyce Issacson took over for Sandy who moved up to Int.
The fact is that if I still audited in the HGC I’d be damned if I’d turn my PCs over to the “tender mercies” of ethics and violate my trust with the PC and the auditors code.
Probably last two minutes with that attitude in the current Orwellian scene where everyone’s a snitch.
Are you really SP comp #96? If so, how is SP comp defined? All available rundowns completed?
OMG. You caught them. What liers these Mi$cientologists are. It seems rooted in their beliefs. They are like OJ Simpson who convinced himself that he did not murder his wife, that black is actually white. The current kool aide group believe that lying is the honest way to live. Through lying we can make the world a better place.
Vanity Fair’s article has a post talking about Tom Cruise’s PC file and how much fun David Miscavige had sharing the details. Tom Cruise may have to face the fact that Miscavige is not the bff he thinks he is. Brad Halsey was a better friend just by telling Cruise the truth in his video.
Remember Tayler Tweed? One of the things she complained about online during the year before she died was that Scientologists at the Portland Org would get together at one of their homes on a certain weeknight, and go through people’s “cases” and joke about them.
The depravity of these kinds of behaviors in a _”CHURCH”!!!!!_ goes beyond words.
As others have noted, Scientology is killing itself through disconnection and abuses of “confessionals’ ” supposedly confidential information.
And as someone else noted, when everyone has the same “crimes,” no one has them. When Scientology could keep everyone in a silo, never talking about their “case,” they could not know how typically human they were. That let Scientology control them. The Internet has demolished those walls of silence.
And yet, people wrongly fear the disclosure of their innermost secrets. It is not they who should be afraid. They were the victims not of auditors — most of whom in my experience are absolutely fine people — but of a destructive organization that has perverted counseling into control, and personal disclosure into a mind-rape leaving the boundary-less forlorn soul in needless fear.
Is there anyway I can get my PC folders back, legally, as well as ethics files? The hard copies? I’d like to burn them.
Unlikely Nick. You probably signed releases specifically recognizing those folders are the exclusive property of the church and not you. But maybe not.
You could file a lawsuit and claim that they contain evidence that proves your claims — like Laura D and I think you have a very good chance of getting them. But only under those circumstances.
But on the other hand, you could ask. And you could document exactly what response you get (or none) and then take the story to the media, even one of those New Show Consumer Rights Teams if not the TBT. Sooner or later this IS going to become an issue of public concern as more and more people leave. I think a stronger position to take would be that you want to witness the church destroying them as they have no need to maintain them as you have been excommunicated.
And even if the “church” did allow you to watch them destroy the folders, it would just be a dog and pony show – how do you know that they haven’t already culled them for “juicy tidbits” and/or made photocopies of everything? In other words, even if you did watch your PC files get unceremoniously destroyed, that won’t necessarily prevent in the future from having a John Allender-type show up at your home or place of work with a picket sign that says you once had sex with a German Sheppard, even if it was something you did as a minor. This Church has no scruples, but you probably already know that with all the suppression and harrassment you’ve been put through already.
Yes! Brilliant idea. Someone who is barred from church services has every right to request the destruction of their pc folders as they are no longer of use to anyone.
That reminds me, Mike, what is the status of the Laura de Crezenzo lawsuit? Is she winning it or has it been decided?
I’ve wondered the same thing, Nickolas, but I have never pursued it.
It is probably hard for someone who has never been in to understand how devastating it can be to have fully opened up to and trusted an organization that turns out to have little to no regard for your confidentiality.
I wonder if our folders would be interesting, or would be a bore? People I audited went “whole track” all the time. I did that too. Were those “memories” — images that popped into our minds — fantasy or reality?
Even for present life memories, it is not that clear cut. Memory turns out to be an incredibly flexible thing. The Hubbardian definition of truth (exact time, place, form, and event) is severely deficient. An event that seemed to be such and such at one point, may now appear entirely different to us due to subsequent insights into context, relationships, the motivations of others, and self, and so on.
Of course a Scientologist would say “you didn’t find the truth in the first place then!”
But the fact is that that even the most supposedly SP “psych” can provide insights that are simply not available through Scientology, where there is no dialogue, and there is only one solution that fits everyone, invariably, with 100% results without fail — not.
Anyway, if someone figures out how to get your folders back, lots of people would want to know. But would you trust Scientology not to keep copies, knowing that they feel justified in lying liberally?
As this blog is being monitored it will come to the attention of RTC and will then go down the lines to their Rep in AOSHEU who will have Gabor taken apart and blasted a dozen times over. And thusly a new enemy will have been created. Gabor Toth, please post here when you have left.
AnEx
This is yet another nail in the coffin (or a large bolt) of the possibility, of actual auditing occurring in the RCS. An operating and senior datum in auditing is that the pc/preo’ts ability to confront, is proportional to the degree that they feel safe. This refers to spiritual, emotional and psychic safety. One can then, really dig in, and deal with whatever heavily charged areas they need to, because they’re able to let their guard down and receive help. I can’t tell you how important this is, to a repair auditor, who has a steady diet of sad, broken and hopeless people. It was my best tool. Postulates and live communication are not mest, are senior to mest and enable us to as-is and cognite. The sane/correct postulates for auditing would be to increase sanity and ability, to relieve suffering, to increase the knowingness and confidence of the person in front of you. These are theta goals. No matter what obvious indicators there are, thetans are very perceptive and KNOW that it’s not safe in the current RCS, with cameras, gossip, mest motivation and hidden intentions. I can guarantee that a shit ton, (yes, a shit ton) of charge is being by-passed on people, on a daily basis in the RCS, because they can only skim the surface. This is my personal analysis of why the still ins act so weird. Safeguard your sanity, only receive auditing from an expert indie auditor, when you feel totally safe.
The grimness and general low tone of so many staff members these days is directly proportional to the lies they’ve agreed to propagate.
Very interesting analysis. The whole subject of OW and MWH is central to auditing and case gain. I would guess that part of the charge accumulated is deep ARCx’s arising from mistrust. Maybe there’s something in there that a PC withholds that he’s ARC-broken on a continuous basis. So he feels that withholding that state of being continuously ARC-broken is itself an overt act. He then (wrongly) feels guilty about that, and so that guilty feeling can be used to coerce him. And you do get people who will confess to all kinds of imaginary overts in order to escape confessing to the much lesser but very real overt at the bottom of the whole thing.
“of actual auditing occurring in the RCS”
Because if the people handling the “e-meter” have the right intentions, suddenly an e-meter actually works, actually measures anything? Can you please tell me what changes about the body, in response to questions or statements cause instantaneous changes in the electrical resistance of the body, as “measured” ( as calibrated on what scale) FROM HAND-TO-HAND, without a single thing to control contact at the hands? And the auditor keeps his hand on a “tone arm” doesn’t he? Oh, come on, I could make that meter dance, from either end.
For God’s sake, haven’t you ever heard of or seen a VOM, or a VTVM (in the old days)? Today, of course, they read out digitally, in numbers. Why doesn’t an e-meter do that?
Wow, there is one thing an e-meter is deadly accurate at measuring, no, maybe two: with a skilled operator, you can get a real good measurement of credulity and narcissism.
@ 2009 I wrote a report to RTC about this guys videos. THey never replied.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9nSZm_02TM
Right On!
This would be a great video to send to Laura and her lawyers.
I sent it to her… Duh…
R.I.P BRAD HALSEY, 1957-2014
http://tonyortega.org/2014/03/07/brad-halsey-1957-2014/#more-13640
a sorrowful shame.
Thanks White Star,
One has a tendency to expect every one to be ‘there’ and it comes as a shock that Brad chose to ‘go’
because of too much mental and physical pain, when these things CAN be improved on or handled with the
tech properly applied.
Let’s hope he is happy now.
Greta
Amen.
David Miscavige is disgusting cult leader.
They can take my folders to PAC and put them to good use as TP for the staff. At least they could bring “comfort” to some downtrodden beings.
They will never be needed again, burning them would be a waste, CO$$ will never ever see me again this lifetime (or any other)
At least after them I know what true Freedom is.
RC$ sucks and so does it’s dictator
Wake up OSA. You can get out now and be free – after you decompress. Just walk this way.
How incredibly convenient for the Co$ that the parishioners themselves give up all the data they will ever need to blackmail and/or extort money or co-operation.
What an unbelievably creepy organization.
Unrelated to this post, but is James Packer still in the Co$?
No
I wonder how they justify it ,the public reading folders , besides the obvious…I mean deep down.
Scientologists know…without any doubt whatsoever…that the official rules and stuff like “Priest Penitent” are only there to protect the Church from outsiders like the gov’t, etc.
Even the fact that the Church says they do “Sunday Service”. EVERY single staff member knows this is just so the Church can put forth a public image of being a Church. No one gives a crap about Sunday Service. The service has nothing to do with God. There are no “sermons”. There are no “prayers”. The fat booklet used for Sunday Service was only created about 15 years ago at the most. Before that, no orgs even did a Sunday Service.
Okay…back to PC folders.
dyed-in-the-wool Scientologists feel that there is no real need to protect peoples’ secrets from other Scientologists, especially auditors. because everyone has the same “crimes” really, and no one is supposed to judge anyone based on one’s past crimes or perversions or anything like that. And the subject of auditing is basically revealing all the things you don’t want to reveal, and everyone knows this…so auditors don’t really care what is in peoples’ PC folders. Even a casual glance through folders summaries (of even Sea Org members) will show wild perversions, theft, prostitution, drugs, felonies, etc. And why not? This is planet Earth. These things happen. Scientologists talk about them in session, sometimes against one’s actual will. But everyone knows this is the meat and potatoes of what’s in PC folders. It’s kind of like “everyone’s sin is no one’s sin.
Bubble-dwellers don’t feel there is any risk to having their secrets being known to other auditors (staff or public), or even to non-auditor staff members. And to a certain degree this is true….unless you leave. And no one really PLANS on leaving. It just happens.
So the FB post about going through PC folders for the CF project…this is not actually an alarming thing to bubble-dwellers. No one would give it a second though. After all, they are asking for auditors who will respect the auditors code to do this project. This is legit to bubble-dwellers. The Auditor’s code is the single most sacred code in Scientology, and prohibits any data from a PC given in session from being used against them.
It’s kind of like….this system works…right up until the point it doesn’t. It works when the place is being run by well-meaning people. Which is I guess the story of all great altruistic systems.
The FB post is a big deal because of the great lengths the Church went to in the Decrecenzo case to convince a court that a PC folder is the most sacred of all religious items that NO ONE can have access to other than maybe 3 specific people. All bubble-dwellers know this is BS. But how would the court know that? Now they know.
DS, Sunday Service goes back a lot more than 15 years.
Because the Cof S went off the rails, doesn’t mean “everybody” has all of these specific traits. It is not all black and white.
Wow… those CF projects just took a bit of a dark turn.
A lot of the CF and PC folders are booby trapped (Mold and dust and years of neglect). The workers better not be PTS.
it just makes me sick.
“883 II. CONSTITUTIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM GUARANTEES DO NOT IMMUNIZE
SCIENTOLOGY FROM LIABILITY FOR ANY OF THE ACTIONS ON WHICH WOLLERSHEIM’S
INTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL INJURY CAUSE OF ACTION IS BASED
Scientology asserts all four courses of conduct comprising the
intentional infliction **338 claim are forms of religious expression
protected by the Freedom of Religion clauses of the United States and
California Constitutions. We conclude some would not be protected religious
activity even if Wollersheim freely participated. We further conclude none of
these courses of conduct qualified as protected religious activity in
Wollersheim’s case. Here they occurred in a coercive atmosphere appellants
created through threats of retribution against those who would leave the
organization. ”
C. “Auditing” Is a Constitutionally Protected Religious Practice Where It Is
Conducted in a Non-coercive Environment But Is Not Protected Where Conducted
Under a Threat of Economic, Psychological and Political Retribution as It Was here.”
“In O’Moore v. Driscoll (1933) 135 Cal.App. 770, 28 P.2d 438 cited with
approval by the California Supreme Court in Molko v. Holy Spirit Assn.,
supra, 46 Cal.3d 1092, 1114, 252 Cal.Rptr. 122, 762 P.2d 46, a Catholic priest
sued a Catholic organization and an ordained priest for false imprisonment when
the plaintiff was restrained in an asylum run by the Catholic Church to compel
his confession to criminal acts. The practice of confessing one’s sins is an
established religious practice of the Catholic church. But that did not
immunize the defendants from liability for harm the plaintiff suffered where
the religious practice was imposed on him in a coercive environment. (Id.
at p. 774, 28 P.2d 438.) ”
http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/occf105.html
Excellent information. I was recently privy to a civil case where infliction of emotional harm was proven and the award was large. The RCS is hiding under the religious cloak but their actual actions are severe malpractice and in no way true to its own religious tenets. I see lawsuits in their future and my OT perceptions are excellent.
They have some lawsuits in their present that they ought to be very concerned about….
When I was as BPI during the routing out sec check I had a hughe realization so I had to go for a walk around the block. As soon as I got back to the building, different staff members were asking me questions about some of the things I revealed during the session . . . confidential? . . . nothing but a load of crap; a lie!
CoS IT department still not up to providing email accounts for their own staff, and therefore not able to maintain a secure intranet comm system.
This post is spot on. Any staff member of the org can root around in any pc folder and they pass them out to OT Committee members as well. And that is not even mentioning the video recording systems that I heard are going into all the “ideal” orgs. These new buildings are ideally set up to record every word of your deepest confessions and make the video feed available to any executive from Tech Sec on up. The “lost tech” of blackmail and extortion is now in full use in an ideal org near you. And they wonder why they are deserted. How does that fit into the “religious confessional” system? Hidden cameras and microphones in the confessional room? To my knowledge that was orignally only done for trainee sessions with a visible video camera and permission of the pc. It was David Miscavige who got hidden cameras installed in the professional auditing rooms at Flag. And it is David Miscavige who is ordering the same system in every org in the world. I have heard about this verbally and I saw it confirmed in Mark Arnold’s fundraising hat write up.
Hidden microphones (and maybe cameras) in the MAA’s offices as well. Hidden microphones (and maybe cameras) in the IAS reg offices as well. Hidden microphones in the registrars offices as well.
Creepy group!
Next are the bathrooms.
I’d put money that DM has had em in the bathrooms a long time. He is the only one who can keep ethics in on the flock and He knows what out ethics SO members do in the bathrooms!
Our outrage is already turning to pity for those forlorn few who are still trapped inside the cult. In time, I think the general feeling will be one of great compassion for the walking wounded. Beyond that, will be a widespread and heartfelt outreach to those who seek healing and succor from the damage that’s been done to them. We’re already seeing this in the continuing parade of the awakened leaving the fold.
The church is begging the world to put their ethics in, by ejecting their best and brightest. They’re in the very worst of all possible insane Catch-22s. The more they attempt to stop, the more they enable the tech and their people to fly to real freedom.
Like all degraded organisms, they secretly wish to die. Who are we to stop them?
Because their behavior is being ruthlessly being run by a mad dictator who holds the (imagined) power of life and death over them, those who keep the insanity going, are grinding away against the impermeable rock of truth, even as they fail.
There’s a sadness in what’s occurring, but on a certain level, there’s great gladness. The tech and the people are being liberated to truly flourish and prosper into a far distant future.
Now, who could disagree with that?
This is beyond vile. This little wimp is going down.
God! I pray you are right. And soon.
Prayer or no prayer, it’s inevitable.
Straight down and vertical…
🙂
He is down …….. but he’s not quite twitchen yet. That will arrive shorty….I mean shortly. Sorry Dave!
Hold on to your hats! They even video and record your MAA “sessions.” And this is unknown and unagreed on by you. We knew and more or less agreed to session video taping, but never to MAA taping. I’ve even seen them giving orders to the young and new kid MAA’s via the ear pieces as they watch the recorded MAA cycle.
By the way in the car industry many years ago they used to have hidden microphones at the sales desks so that the car salesman could leave to “go negotiate a lower price with his boss,” but the reality of it was he left to go listen to you two talk between yourselves when left along so that they could find out the “buy now” price you would buy the car at. So then they would hear this, unbeknownst to you, and come back with, “well, I don’t know how I did it but I got you the best price ever! We can go as low as __________ and they fill it in with slightly over what you said you’d pay.”
That deceptive car sales tactic was deemed illegal in courts and now you cannot have any way of recording what is said between husband and wife while you leave them alone at the salesman’s desk.
So if it ‘s illegal for the car industry, it should be illegal in the C of $. Why are they above the law???
Yes. In a room in HCO, when left “alone” with my husband to discuss “privately” whether or not we wanted to donate to IAS, one of the principle people waiting for us to have our “private” discussion later repeated to me something I had said to my husband in our “private” discussion. Sick. They were all watching or listening in. Sickening.
All true and all said; and it is amazing how off the rails the Church is that ‘magically’ all the dirty tricks and falseness are coming up to be know, this being via Face Book, Blogs and so on.
When reading a book sometime ago it narrated how the Christian Church domination for a 1,000 years ended when the print came out; people could communicate more and read all about it.
Similarly, Black Heart has not a pray in trying to hide his crimes any longer; the means of today’s communication are aiding to reveal how things really are.
Tick…Tock…Tick…Tock…
Blackheart be singing the blues. 🙂
You are so right Silvia…. a cult cannot be maintained in the age of the Internet. At best RCS/Co$ is like the “Shakers” who forbade sex and children and lasted a generation.
From Wiki circa 1890
“Shakers could not have children, so adoption was a major source of new members. This continued until orphanages were established and the states began to limit adoption by religious groups.”
Information is the downfall of Miscavige’s RCS. The “new” people in Co$ have been educated by the internet and cannot have the wool pulled over their eyes. So, we see 3rd world recruits… but this will not last in the Internet age.
Pardon the profanity, but this is some sick shit.
MJ…..I think you are on to ’em!
I was at Narconon for a year and a half. First as a student, and then as staff. They had trailers full of PC folders, that were out in the open. They would even ask students, still in the ‘program’, right from detox, or even people on ethics to file them. Of course they would look through and natter and all sorts of crazy shit. So, that’s what goes on at Narconon – not non-sequitur to this.
Craig Jensen has swallowed so much kool aid he has no original thought left.
Mike this is nothing new and I know you know this. when I was a pc at AOLA I was asked to go through folders and pull OCA’s and the like. At the time I was on my auditors training and took this very seriously. It was being done because of lack of people to do the work of culling folders!!!At least back then those helping had a sense of ethics!!Today it appears very different!!
They must not have the SO members to do it. And who says it is “only to get OCA’s and wins.”? If you talk about, it is to make a DA pack on you and take things and embellish or twist them to make you look hideous to your friends and loved ones so that they won’t listen to you when you try to tell them the truth.
Bingo, Cindy.
To Chris, Thank you for this. I did not know this was happening since I left staff in ’96. I’m quite positive my PC folders were gone thru for my SP declare mostly to make sure my children stuck with Jack. And of course who cares about amnesty or back in the old days when one was forgiven for their transgressions and then of course the KRs and supposed Comm Ev truths that I never bothered to fight after being beat down. Yes, I’m quite sure my son and daughter #3 now both think of that SP declare every time they remember the family love we shared. It keeps them ‘in line’.
Stay strong Cece, your friends are with you and the walls of this oppression are crumbling down. Love is never wasted. Believe in your kids intelligence and ability to SEE. It’s only a matter of time…..keep faith. 🙂
Sad but true Cece. It’s disgusting. But since when have any moral qualms or ethical questions stopped anyone in RCS to do what they “know” is the right thing to do. To their way of thinking, anything goes as long as they are clearing the planet. No one ever considers what the cost is to their eternity when they are operating on such “high” ethical standards. One wonders if they ever read or understood anything in The Way to Happiness.
Yes, Cece, your kids will come back when the church falls. But I”m with you in hating how the church turns the kids against the errant parrent. And they do use your pc folders to find the buttons to reg you on. I remember I had just lost my mom and saw her die in my arms. The traveling D of P comes out and tells the reg, Edy Lyndeen, “she’s reading heavily on 2D losses; show her the references on cancer.” (Duh, I had just lost my mom, so of course I would read on that.) But they then proceeded to tell me I would die of cancer if I didn’t get to Flag right away to handle the charge. And the D of P said he used to be a chiropractor and so he “knew of these things” and that “the cancer could be growing in you right now, undetected…” and it was the biggest Buy Now based on case data that I can imagine. What slime bags. My hope is they die by their own postulates they had for others.
@Cindy — so they told you a cancer might be growing inside you right then? What a bunch of slime balls.
And idiots. The fact is, by the way, cancer cells are emerging all the time in all of us. When our immune systems function properly, our systems kill them. Getting cancer is not a failure of oneself; it is a fact of human life.
Yes, stress can have a negative impact on the immune system. And carcinogens, like Kool cigarettes, can invite cancer. So I would actually predict that _Scientologists_ have a _higher_ rate of cancer than other comparable groups (age, sex, ethnicity) due to the continual sleep deprivation, poor diets, totalitarian environment, lack of freedom, restricted time to reflect/process/exercise/have a 2D, poor medical care, and lackadaisical attitude toward smoking.
I wish there could be such a study done.
Gabor
While you´re at it, you can throw ALL my folders in the trash can, cause I ain´t never comin´ back!!!!!!!!!!!
This is TRUE!!!!!!!!!!
P.S.
ML
Co$ is never called on their lies in any meaningful sense. “Ins” never hear about the lies. If they do hear, they deny and become enablers. Co$ is not on the radar of the powerful who could enable meaningful change. It is insane the church still maintains tax exempt status given their outrageous lies.
The whales by virtue of withholding their millions are the only ones I currently see being able to effect real change leading to an eventual demise.
We are no worse than rapidly approaching the tipping point. We need an event that wakes up the general public, whether it is criminal charges, a major lawsuit win, or a move to revoke their tax exempt status. Until that happens, they will continue to lie, because they suffer no ill effect from the behavior.
The most ethical people on the planet – just another whopper.
The tipping point has already occurred. The “1984-ization” is now in full swing in Scientology AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT IT. The general public already thinks that the CoS is a fascist nut group and THAT IS WHY PEOPLE DO NOT GET INTO SCIENTOLOGY ANY MORE. The two biggest factors are and will be how the CoS threatens families and the subject of this post, how one’s “confidential” case data is used for general regging, as well as extortion and punishment.
By the way, this is why Leah Remini’s recent comments about Scientology were (contrary to what some observers noted) so hard hitting. The general public have no real concern about her disputes with Miscavige, but they care very VERY much about what she said about how the CoS threatens FAMILY. And this confidentiality/privacy issue is another HUGE thing for people (especially those who in decades past may have been open to Scientology and today are NOT).
No doubt. They’re digging their own grave
Thanks for your thoughts. I hope you are right regarding the tipping point. Many of us look forward to the day when we discuss the post mortem of the cult versus reading tea leaves trying to accurately gauge the extent of the internal rot and disease.
Another photo! The young Mike Rinder, warming up!
Mike, were the Tampa Bay Times declarations provided to Judge Waldrip in any pleading?
Lest anyone think otherwise, this is not just some random action in DK. This is common practice in the preparations of every single Ideal Org.
As part of making a “perfect CF folder”, they have OTC members prying through pc folders getting dates of when people completed case actions, what their case levels are, whether they have done specific case actions or are in-progress on others, etc. This all gets written down in a “case data sheet” that goes in to the CF file so people who are doing call-in or writing letters will know more about the person.
In any area where there is an Ideal Org or where an Ideal Org preparations are being done, this activity of prowling through pc folders and taking down this information is being done. And yes, that means the folder is wide open to as many people as are doing the project and yes that means they can read whatever they want. There is no oversight and no one making sure they aren’t reading O/W write-ups, ethics interviews, write-ups from the pc’s themselves about their worries, upsets or the most intimate details of their lives.
But what about that big stamp they put on the folders that says “Priest/Penitent Privileged File”? That is only in case the FBI or some external legal entity wants access to the files and is not for the pc’s protection; it’s there to protect the Church. As far as any staff or SO members are concerned, there is no such thing as confidentiality of your pc folder information. Executives, registrars, ethics officers, call-in personnel as well as the Tech staff can and do routinely go in to the HGC, pull out pc folders and go through them to see what’s happening or get information they want on preclears. It happens every single day.
100% accurate Chris.
If you havent done so, you should read the pained but indignant filings made with the court in the Laura Dieckman case, included declarations from such luminaries as Craig Jensen about how giving Laura Dieckman’s pc folders to her would be like forcing a christian to renounce Christ or a muslim to eat pork. It was amazing.
It sure does happen every day. I don’t know the number of times I was sent to get a particular pc folder for my senior so his/her “buttons” could be found before a reg cycle! Didn’t matter if it was stamped confidential or banded closed with CLEAR written on it either. The reges would pic those folders apart well into the night to “know them better than they knew themselves!” The “marks” family member’s folders too were often culled for buttons.
This disgusted me then….and still does today!
SO disgusting! Right up there with child molestation.
This sorta thing goes back to the glory daze of the GO.
I remember the face of some indignant AGI when I told him to go fuck himself after he asked me to dig up some dirt on some PC and seriously was told I was being thetie weetie because I wouldn’t “comply”.
Back then this sorta thing was restricted to the GO. Now it seems the deadly disease has spread throughout the Org.
Look at what happened to the GO.
The question I have is what possible information could one get from a PC folder that can’t be found in other places?
PC’s level on the Grade Chart can be found in Qual I&I, Success Stories are kept by Div VI’s Success Division. Reg Advice Forms usually tell one that.
This is what I used to tell the terminals who wanted to do a fishing expedition in some PC of mine’s Folder.
There’s no need to root through a PC’s folder to get this intel. Meaning this whole thing at best means that their admin sucks at best or some kinda false flag op.
Fact is worked on a mission done in 1984 to label each PC/Pre OT folder “Priest/ Penitent Privileged File” according to the MOs “Confessional Formulary “wasn’t a strong enough deterrent for the Government and Org busy bodies.
Nice to see I wasted my time.
Asking as a never-in: is this what has been meant by former postings regarding ‘folder projects’? those ones asking for volunteers to come in for the week-end, etc?
Probably. Session notes are taken in large hand, and many sheets of paper on both sides, so folders become over two inches thick quickly, and there are many of them. The result is massive filing, not necessarily without errors. Some folders may be worn, torn, broken rubber bands misplaced.
Dear Gabor,
I’m in! I’ll bring my iphone and would like to start with your folders.
Thanks,
Scnethics
WTF?
Not a foot bullet as much as “grenade”! Duck you suckers
Every lawyer (except RCS) needs this now.
I’ve always known there was no such thing as priest penitent within RCS as things have been brought up that I only divulged “in session” by other staff.
One of the main reasons I’m looking forward to the end of RCS in the very near future.
Oh geez…this is the truth exposed.
Poor Gabor is going to be headed to the OTC MAA pretty soon. Yes, Mike, they DO have an org board for the OTC that mirrors the one for the org. I used to have a copy of it but, it was one of the things I decided I didn’t need anymore. Perhaps someone else has a copy to send you?