With a special offer like this — a FREE 6 month membership (that anyone gets just for turning over their name and email address) — how could you resist? But you have to get in NOW because this “offer” only lasts until 31 December. At that point they will send out a “new” offer of a free 6 month membership.
Even something as stupid as this has to be a lie.
But of course, this IS “the most successful and effective group in the world.”
Also the most modest.
And honest.
One thing that IS interesting is that it proves they have records of EVERYONE, and pretty accurate ones. This was sent to someone who had taken an intro service many years ago, but did nothing further and has about the same level of interest in this as an offer for a free doze of ebola. I really don’t think that many people who let their free 6 month membership lapse without giving in to the relentless pressure to cough up for an annual or lifetime membership are going to be enticed by another free 6 months….
So, despite the claims scientology makes about the fuzzy nature of trying to track their tens of millions of members — in fact they have a VERY accurate list of people who have Free, Annual and Lifetime memberships (and they still count all the “lifetime members” who are no longer “members” and have been ejected or have withdrawn their support and allegiance). So, that number, the number of FREE MEMBERS plus the NUMBER OF ANNUAL MEMBERS plus the LIFETIME MEMBERS would give a relatively accurate, though still inflated, count of the number of scientologists on earth. Because you cannot call yourself a scientologist if you don’t have an IAS membership. These days they won’t even give you service if you are not an IAS member, and once you get to the “friendliest place in the world” to become “cause over life” on “the level” they won’t allow you to progress unless you are at least a “Patron of the Association” as that is what measures your “worth” as a scientologist.
But they NEVER reveal this number.
It’s a simple number that is tracked EVERY WEEK and is available with a few keystrokes. The count of the number of scientologists.
10 years ago it was below 30,000. And it is NOT more than that today.
Hell, they can only round up about 10,000 total on earth to attend their annual IAS gala bash — 4,000 in UK, 2,000 in Clearwater, 1,500 in LA and 2,500 scattered around the rest of the world.
And this for the single most important event that occurs on planet earth each year — the annual gathering of the most effective group in the history of groups.
Let us remember on this day, those who sacrificed and died.
I have a few questions that maybe ya’ll can help me with. I am not a Scientologist, but am curious. I did read Dianetics in college, (years ago) and now have some poor child, whose name I forgot, sending me letters, emails and requests to buy this thing or that thing, and asking about my wins, gains….etc. Anyway I told this poor soul that I would file a Harassment Complaint if the Detroit Org did not leave me alone, but I digress.
How can your leader lead when he doth not practice his religion? Is he not a Heretic? And how or who does he have in high places because of all the illegal activities he orders committed, (in his name). The Mob did not have it this good, nor the KKK, or any other cults. Who protects this man?
Still interested in learning more about Scientology, but do not wish to be inundated with the traditional garbage that goes along with trying to learn about this religion. Suggestions as to what to read, or anything?
I suggest picking up a couple of books cheap through Amazon/Ebay – Self-Analysis and The Handbook for Preclears, for a good overview of what it is basically about. Forget all the stuff about “religion”, cult, etc. Just look at some of the basic materials that outline where Hubbard was coming from.
Gee Guys didn’t you know, they all went to Target 2 and are waiting for the rest of the beings to join them. You see COB and little COB(TC) are trying to coordinate the time table……………………………………………….see ya on the other side:)
Actually per the report in the East Grinstead Courier courtesy of UK OSA spokesman Grahame Wilson the UK IAS attendance was ‘over 1500’ from which we can extrapolate that the figure was less than 2000 and closer to 1500. At the current rate of ‘expansion’ if there is another IAS event next year we can pretty much estimate that the attendance figures will ‘be over 500’ – assuming the cult lasts that long.
…”More than 1,500 guests from as far as Japan, Australia and the United States descended upon the Church of Scientology’s UK headquarters at Saint Hill for the 17th annual gala charity concert on Sunday – and to mark the 30th anninversary of the International Association of Scientologists” – Grahame Wison – Cult PR UK
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Re: Even something as stupid as this has to be a lie.
“No Scientologist would ever listen to their lies, as they know the truth.”
http://www.freedommag.org/sites/default/files/declaration06.pdf
http://www.lawrencewrightgoingclear.com/sites/default/files/App11-Jenny%20Linson.pdf
I am SHOCKED…. SHOCKED that I have not received such an offer. In fact I have not received ANY mail or phone calls in going on THREE (3) YEARS! They have purged me better than a dose of salts. I no longer am wanted by the sciobots!
Oh how will I continue?? How can I face the sunrise, how can I dance in the moon light? How can I find joy in Mudville?
I will find a way…. oh I will find a way.
We in RTC have authorized the sale of Dehydrated IAS Status.
Simply add $500,000 in cash to the contents of the can and then pour into David Miscavige’s bank account.
You’re welcome and your trophy is in the mail.
🙂 🙂 🙂
That is so lame. It’s like a bad corporation gimmick.
Playing the ‘how many are left?” game is not easy. Only 10k clams left? Does that include the SO and staff? Getting to the annual St. Hill Tent party is very expensive, is there such a thing as a ‘working class’ clam? I can’t see a carpenter or grocery store clerk getting on the airplane for the UK every year. Hell, any year. Of course such ‘students’ are equally prized by staff and SO, aren’t they?
I expect that without a nice juicy leak or a recent escapee who had the right job, we won’t have accurate numbers for BIS. People re-re-re-doing the student hat or the new and improved OT 1 to 8 must be loyal clams. Like Elvis, everyone else has left the building.
Except Elvis was never in the building.
I think Elvis did enter the building once, but he came running out saying something along the lines of “those people are nuts!” 😀
What a deal! With a free membership you can get a discount for books that are going up by 20%.COB giveth and COB taketh away.
COB likes MOBS to which he ROBS.
Michael – you inspire me…
The COB in Lobbs has mobs who rob
He talks in Shermanspeak,
His BIS went BDA
Now he can’t stop the leak.
His IAS has shills who shrill
“Come back, we have a deal”
But BDA won’t pay (no way!)
to a super callous fragile pipsqueak hexed with verbositis!
Go Wendy! What’s BDA?
I have not received a speck of mail from any scientology org since I got my money that was on account back, about 3 years ago. I’m guessing I am no longer a “member” of the IAS. I used to get Impact mag etc; no more.
How did you get that back? I’ve been trying for quite some time, now.
There are thousands of posts on the net about getting a refund from COS.
https://www.google.com/search?q=scientology+refund
Maybe Mike can do a post about it sometime?
To make a long story short, I guess I was lucky to be dealing with old-timers at my local org, I had known since the 1980s, and I had a medical condition which meant I was not likely to ever be able to use the money I had on account.
I did first talk to one of the KOTs(Keepers of the Tech) at Flag, th eolder one there, because I thought my money was there, but it turned out it had just been a “courtesy transfer” (no money actually sent from the local org). I started out coming on strong saying I would write a complaint to the BBB etc, which he clearly didn’t want me to do, but once it became clear the money was still with the local org he just directed me to deal with them. They returned it promptly. But I must say, Flag had already tapped me for a set of the Basics out of it!
Jerks.
The offer isn’t even a guarantee. It simply invites the recipient to “apply.” “Oops, thank you for your application, but you are not eligible for a free membership. We can, however, offer you a discounted membership of $10,000,00”
I recently moved to another state and within weeks was getting mail addresses to me there from the IAS, about upping my status. I wrote back asking if I would actually be allowed to raise my status, now that I’ve been declared. And by the way, which of the benefits of that higher status would I be able to participate in? Still waiting for an answer.
Don’t hold your breath
Aeolus, I would be willing to bet if you sent them more money, they wouldn’t send it back. “Tainted” money spends too. I bet if you sent enough “tainted” money you might even get undeclared.
If it were me, I would find less frivolous stuff to do with my money — burn it, tear it into confetti, use it as toilet paper all come to mind as much better ideas 😉
Well, if that money is truly “tainted,” then it taint mine and it taint yours either.
Aeolus, I hereby upgrade you to the status of Patron Non Ignoramus with Honors of The International Association of Skeptics.
I accept.
Congratulations. Only requirement is you donate nothing.
Small Print. IAS is a “non profit” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
How many people (in your opinion Mike) know this ‘actual’ number?
I imagine that information is something COB likes to keep close to his vest.
Probably less than 100.
Lifetime (really?) IAS member. I’m also a lifetime HASI member, the one covered in policy. That’s the one SO members don’t know about or if they do it’s based on hearsay from other teenage SO members. That’s the one that CAN’T be input into the Incomm system because there’s no provision for it.
I’m probably no longer a Lifetime IAS member because they own the card. Where is my prorated refund? Apparently I’m still a lifetime HASI member. I’m confused, am I a member or not? :>)
You’ve been dismembered.
LOL, MM! 🙂
Greta
Harsh! I’d hate to have my member dissed.
The IAS educates people on their human rights????
That there is a good one to chew on…..(mid west lingo)
I dare say it is the other way around.
This blog is educating people on their human rights.
Years ago a bunch of us had Harley Davidson motorcycles….we called our
group….The Restricted Free.
That is a pretty good moniker for those still drinking the kool aide.
My first thought was they are in desperate need of “renewed blood” to keep their registration (rip off) activities going.
Word about the IAS’s frauds is spreading faster; additionally, the current members have exhausted their accounts so, millions can come only from the very, very wealthy.
If you really “feel’ through the lines of this promo you can perceive the desperation the organizations as a whole are falling into.
I know! Isn’t it fun?!
I was thinking that this sounded very desperate also Sylvia. I feel very certain that the ias inflow lines have drastically dried up, as more and more people have experienced the extortion and informed themselves, of this productless deceit. We know that the number of people still in is extremely low, especially compared to earlier decades, and that people are extremely tapped out. Along with that, the wins of the past are straight down and vertical with all the unmock and squirreling. Those 2 stats are colliding and I’m sure international income stats are pitiful.
“If you really “feel’ through the lines of this promo you can perceive the desperation the organizations as a whole are falling into…” I’m not worried. I have faith that COB will find the SP’s in upper management, the FBI and CIA undercover’s on staff, any and all technical reasons and it’s solution to bad PC indicators, empty Orgs and disaffected field. David Miscavige’s mere presence alone will eventually root out those who have CI to LRH’s vision. The reason so many have left is probably due to the fact that Misaviges ethics presence is too much for those with overts can take. So in effect, DM is cleansing the fold. This is progress.
Miscavige’s ethics presence is an oxymoron.
At the end of the day the ONLY really important membership stat is international BIS. DM and management know EXACTLY what that number is on a week to week basis.
When I was on staff back in the 80s our org had about 20-25 staff and our weekly BIS ran about 80-100. Of course this was padded with paid tape plays, D of P interviews, even extension course students, etc. The real number was probably about 60 Scnists actively on course or in session.
IAS membership numbers simply measure the number of people they managed to hoodwink into “joining”, it doesn’t mean they are ACTUALLY doing anything, or even claim they are Scnists.
BIS tells you the REAL tale of membership.
That’s true for orgs, but it omits most missions (that don’t report) and “groups” and anything else. For orgs, BIS is absolutely kept track of every week and totaled up — and false as it is, it is a number less than 10,000.
But when the church is ever challenged on their membership numbers, the “fuzzy number” explanations roll out — “there are millions out there who have read a book and count themselves as scientologists even though they have never been in a church of scientology,” “we have missions and groups in 199 countries and have no way of monitoring how many people there are in each one.” And on and on.
This is why I said the REAL number of actual scientologists participating in some way anywhere on earth is measured by the total IAS membership as that accounts for everything. Even the lowliest missions and groups try to sign people up for the IAS.
First, what does BIS stand for, Mike? And second, “groups” seems to be a misnomer. I’m assuming if it’s one person in his living room, he’s counted as a “group.” This has become a catchall phrase to pad the already false numbers.
Bodies In the Shop. Number of different people actively on service in the org during the week.
Watch it Statpush,
These days BIS also stands for “BANK OF INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENT” in Basel, Switzerland = the hub of our crooket planetary finances….
Greta
Either definition works for the church 🙂
Basking in Sheepdoo.
It’s “free”…… Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … who said these folks have sense of humor? Free! Ha ha ha ha ha ha …
I find it interesting, and IMO an indication of how bad things really are in the church, that I am getting mail from AOLA, ASHO and The Manor (I haven’t been in LA or even their public since the 90’s) AND recently even FLAG – again. What the hell?
I’m even getting calls to come to the OT Committee Party. ???
They wuv you McCarran!
We get stuff from St. Louis, Cincinnati, Chicago, LA Org, AOLA, ASHO, NY, Tampa, Flag, Clearwater Msn,
Bruce the Wise Man, ANZO, St. Hill UK, Mace-Kingsley, Miami, Orlando….hmm I think that’s all…oops can’t forget WISE. Sometimes the promo comes in three’s to a household of two.
I wish we had a fireplace.
Silly me….I forgot the Freewinds and CCLA
McCarran,
You might want to let them know you will be attending. OSD and I would like to tag along if you wouldn’t mind an escort. We each have a major donation to leave with them on their doorstep. OSD was also thinking that the kool aide punchbowl would be an appropriate location for an Ideal Christmas gift.
🙂
Yes. Yes we do have a donation for them. And a major one at that! The only problem I see with Coop and I delivering it, is the lack of toilet paper…
You’re so lucky, McCarran! You see, they’re REALLY sad that you left in the first place! They’re pining away for you! Hey, when you do go in, can I come along to watch?
we still get mail and phone calls, a year later… We make a point of getting in touch politely and let everybody know that we are declared and to please update their files. I get great pleasure doing that because clearly not everybody by far got the memo .
I tried to count the cases o Basic Books and tapes on CD’s in my garage
but could not get past the cases of Dehydrated water ( emergency supply)
piled to the roof. In desperation I made a tunnel with IAS trophies holding up this stuff to get through.
😀 😀 😀
I’m surprised they’re not sending out offers for a free sec check. 😉
I did however in all seriousness recently receive some mail from ASHO offering a free ruds flying session. I’ve never been to ASHO and am quite far from there so that was a bit odd. Place must be empty.
I can imagine that going something like this:
“Do you have an ARC break?”
“Why yes as a matter of fact I do!”
🙂
So, scientology411, “What have you done that we failed to find out?” (Okay I just gagged.) This is not a stretch from what it has become. There is no such thing as a “free ruds flying session” without it ending up with you realizing that the problem is you and your O/W’s and paying for that realization.
The only purpose is too get the PC feeling good enough to by sec checking. Then extract any remaining capital, crush-em, declare-em and move on to the other siblings.
Gives a whole new meaning to the term tough love.
Re: “Do you have an ARC break?”
“Your TRs are brilliant.”
http://lybio.net/scientology-what-a-pathetic-individual/news-politics/
Hmmm. You have to be in the IAS to buy services. If you join the IAS you get a 10% discount on stuff. Who but a card carrying scientologist would buy sci stuff? So no one pays ‘full price’, they just pay way too much at a discounted rate.
Mike, if I ever feel the need to wander into one of these places and take a stress test, I’m going to use your name and address.
After a quick search on ebay, I discovered that I can purchase books and tapes for a price that is 47X lower than I can from the cherch members can in their bookstores.
LDW, cutting into church profits is suppressive.
Yes, LDW, how dare you cut into church profits! I remember that you couldn’t buy an emeter from a friend. YOu couldn’t stay off base when at Flag. You had to eat in the Flag restaurants when there. And even coauditing was discouraged after a while because it was, and all of the above, were cutting into the church profits. They want a monopoly with no competition. I think that is why they took Trey Lotz’ certificates and declared him. He was producing more WDAH than their HGC’s and it was cutting their profits. Yet Ron stressed there were enough pcs for everyone.
Thanks providing the data Cindy. By the way, who’s Ron?
I just put out a LARGE batch of Miscavige era books to the trash.
As I watched them throw the books into the garbage truck I wondered
to myself……am I cutting into church profits????…..Oh well too late
now.
Potpie, in the memorable words of Anne Archer when responding to John Sweeney in his Panorama interview: “How dare you!”
Thanks providing the data Cindy. By the way, who’s Ron?
C’mon, you know Ron. He’s that fictional character DM refers to once in a while. Kind of like Santa Claus.
Your right about the meters Cindy- I had Enid Byrne just furious at me when she found out that I had bought a Mark 7 meter (1/2 price) from someone in the Recycler magazine.
I liked Enid and she helped me move on the Bridge but in this case she missed the point that I had used my money for a meter and was going onto solo training. Wasn’t that the point?
KFrancis – But Enid – God rest her soul – didn’t get her commission if you bought it from the Recycler. That $200 could have paid for part of her IAS membership.
How suppressive, indeed.
I think that the cherch pressured the Recycler to stop carrying Scientology books, etc. in the magazine. After a while, I couldn’t find anything anymore.
Oh, Gawwd, that reminds of yet another of the Fatman’s many made-up words he would just pull out of his ass: Cutative. As in “income cutatives” or some such shit, supposedly meaning things that “cut income.” Aarrggh. I remember trying to look that up, but of course there is no such word.
I’ve been tempted a few times to pick up the LRH bio set since they go for so little on ebay (libraries getting rid of donations they didn’t want). I’m admittedly curious what sort of nonsense those volumes are filled with.
Dear IAS – I looked at your membership benefits and couldn’t see any. Keep working on it and resubmit. CSWP!
Answer to Coop (no reply button)
Would you like to make an appointment for that cramming?
Greta
If they really wanted people back, thzey could simply gift the six months. As it stands, this looks more like a survey to locate any remaining prey while keeping up the pretense that we (the IAS) are “doing something about it”.
“If they really wanted people back,…” then they should stop declaring good people and end Disconnection.
“If they really wanted people back…” then they should concentrate on doing good works and helping people.
“If they really wanted people back…” then they should expose David Miscavige for who he really is and remove him.
“if they really wanted people back…” Oh, never mind.
This could turn into a really long list …….. with every item reading. Let’s see, when that happens you ……………. does that mean you need to extend the list? I forgot. Back to cramming…………..
There you go living in Fantasy Land again, McCarran! You did give me a good laugh, though. Thanks for that!
The IAS is a big ole can of dehydrated water.
Only the difference – the directions state to find a Ocean Body to empty contents into, then proceed to find a purifier (maybe one of those the Scientologist’s sell on the side to pay for their Bridge) where one must purify the water. Then have it tested for human consumption on your dime and take full responsibility if it is not worthy to consume….all for one glass of water
Such a fitting image Mike.
Please help the IAS by emptying you bank account into our coffers, in which, for the exchange in abundance, we will spend some of the money you donated on glossy promo and big awards – too big to fit into a small dumpsters, videos of Sherman-Speak laden speeches by COB – surely to convince you that going broke was indeed a good “die in the attempt” for humanity.
The IAS will spend the other money on the best (SLEAZIEST) Attorney’s and (Most Desparate) Private Investigator’s in the land to keep you from KNOWING ALL ABOUT IT.
As far as the IAS “doing something about it” (Humanitarian Efforts) – that is up to the members. Once COB identifies the Humanitarian Effort – he doles out the orders down the Chain of Command.
Due to the “Stat Driven Life” Staff will enroll some Illegal PC that has never had any services or was kicked off of services – to come up with the money and get a few others to get to the disaster area – so COB can fly GOLD out with their ecclesiastical cameras to take photos for the Glossy Promo and videos for next event and Scientology can once again, take credit for doing “Nothing About It”.
The newcomber will sit in the small crowd and watch the videos on how Scientology is saving the world – helping where is needed in the World – and will want to be part of this amazing group. (Another mind control method).
The IAS is there to keep the “Show on the Road” and that is it. Oh, and to throw in a Range Rover, some Beluga Caviar, the finest Scotch in the land, a few mansions here and there, a private jet, another personal chef, more body gaurds, some fine Italian Suits and a few pairs of John Lobb shoes for dear Leader, COB, David Miscavige.
And THAT ^^^^, Ladies and Gentleman, is how Scientology Keeps Working!
Good post!
Scientology needs all the dehydrated water they can produce. I understand that Miscavige has assigned the weather at the Int Base a condition of treason now that he’s on the receiving side of all that mud.
Takes a mudslinger to know one. Howdy OSA!
And he’s been mudslinger since he took power. He also throws quite of bit bullshit around too. Prime, U.S. Grade ‘A’ bullshit. The kind of bullshit that SO and staff lap up as well as the public sheeple.
Pick up the cans Dave.
And that’s another thing, Michael. He hasn’t picked up the cans for what, 20 years now? Why? Because if he barely touches them, his R/S would become apparent. He receives no auditing nor training. I think he’s afraid of being found out.
Really, why’s that?
Re: Pick up the cans Dave.
“The future is brighter than it has ever been.”
http://www.freedommag.org/sites/default/files/declaration06.pdf
http://www.lawrencewrightgoingclear.com/sites/default/files/App11-Jenny%20Linson.pdf
Hey Jenny – free this weekend?
Re: Hey Jenny – free this weekend?
“I am!”
http://www.freedommag.org/sites/default/files/declaration06.pdf
http://www.lawrencewrightgoingclear.com/sites/default/files/App11-Jenny%20Linson.pdf
Birds do it, bees do it
Even educated fleas do it
Let’s do it, let’s fall in love
Recently a young chap at or near St Hill lake suggested I was no longer welcome on the grounds. When I pointed out that I was a Lifetime and Founding member of the IAS he told me to read the back of the card. I did. It says, in part: “The bearer of this card is eligible for all the rights, benefits, privileges and responsibilities of an IAS member…” Admittedly it does also say that the card itself is the property of the IAS and should surrendered on request. Well, nobody has asked me to surrender it. OSA, if you are reading this – simply refund all my IAS “donations” and it’s all yours. I’ll even gift wrap it for you. Till then…..
Me too. Me too.
Me three! Me three!
I know the black girl in the promo piece. She joined SO as a teen and got married within a month or two of being in the SO… that way they can have their own room and sex whenever they are able to keep their eyes open.
I remember someone telling me that at CC for Sea Org members, there was some rule about sex – not engaging in oral or anything ‘irregular’ whatever that means. Does anyone have any information about this?
@Michael http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_sex ? 🙂
Along this line, at a certain point in time all SO members were required to have lifetime memberships in IAS and their orgs had to pay for them, as I way of getting some seed money into the IAS. I don’t know if this practice was continued but I had such a lifetime membership. However, when I routed out of the SO, my IAS “LIFETIME” membership suddenly evaporated. And, I thought I was still in the same lifetime as I had been when I was given that card….
Oh, SadState, that is really funny!
As far back as I can remember, all staff were awarded free Annual memberships (while at the same time continuously urged to pay for Lifetime memberships). So this brings up a good point. Even staff are being counted in the membership numbers and, of course, that makes sense as they are members but come on it hardly represents the teeming masses, yearning to go free with Scientology.
Emma Lazurus could have well written this for Sea Org members:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Recently when engaging in another discussion which NEVER leads to some sort of aha moment with my ex …
He said — scientology has changed for the better the lives of millions and millions of people. Understand he no longer considers himself a scientologist however he still holds dearly various tenants. I’d say almost all of them that he remembers, in his own way. (his own way is what makes himself right and the world WRONG 🙂
I refrained from bashing my head against the fireplace but it was difficult.
WIndhorse
I’m no longer a Scientologist either, but I don’t see that the ex is necessarily totally wrong; I’m not sure if the number rises to “millions and millions”.
That it has “changed for the better the lives” of many people I think is probably true, though hard to prove to the satisfaction of anyone who now rejects that it ever produced any benefit at all. It’s impossible to know how a Scn or ex would have turned out without it. But I have met some who i.e. were previously on a path to manufacture illegal drugs. Pretty likely their lives were improved by Scn, but cannot be proven.
Sorry Bob that I didn’t make myself more clear.
I do not reject EVERYTHING in Scientology — in fact, what I have embraced over and over is that Scientology and more specifically the Sea Org WAS exactly what I needing at the time in my life.
WHAT I objected to was his idea that MILLIONS AND MILLIONS have benefited.
There never were MILLIONS involved even “off to the side” —
Perhaps there were 100,000 involved who READ a book and or took a beginning class and thus benefited. Who then told someone else who benefited … perhaps.
I objected to MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.
You are preaching to the choir 🙂 about “how a Life COULD HAVE SHOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE evolved” — every action brings us somewhere.
Windhorse
My life was improved by Scientology. I know this. But I should have stopped when I was done. That would have been 1991.
Mine was improved too. Then when I joined the Sea Org it got worse. Probably because thats when doing Scientology stopped and everything I was doing was a squirelly version of it. No more auditing, no more training and no more freedoms. It took me over 5 years to recover from that and I was only in for two. I love the tech. The problem is that whats left of it in the RCS is a bastardized version of true LRH.
Bob, I’m pretty sure Lisa McPherson would still be alive without the Co$ and Dr. Miscavige……so, there’s that. But hey, as COB said, “people die”
” Recently when engaging in another discussion which NEVER leads to some sort of aha moment with my ex …”
+100 Windhorse!! I can only say that I would expand on your comment and replace ‘ex’ with ‘friend who is a former member of the cult’ ……………… and I would also have to modify ‘NEVER’ with ‘SELDOM’ …
Bob’s comment is what seems to be true for most who have left the cult. It’s all good as long as participation in the cult is over I suppose.