Really? The Purif is going to prevent blood brain disorders? Skin cancer? Reproductive problems?
They are actually claiming the the Purif is the “solution” — no, the only solution to the bisphenol you accumulate from drinking for plastic water bottles that can cause cancer? And the kidney/liver damage you are suffering from associating with Mr. Clean.
This is based on NOTHING. But promoted as truth.
Surely there is some prohibition against making these sort of fraudulent assertions?
When challenged on it, scientology claims this is a “spiritual” program. When they think nobody is paying attention they sell it like any old snake oil salesmen, offering miracles to the unsuspecting (as long as you are willing to hand over some cash).
And here is another one just in from Battle Creek “org”:
Hello! Here is a recent Success Story from the Purification Rundown delivered right here in Battle Creek! How awesome is this?!
“I have had a lot of inexplicable health issues for about 10 years. It seemed to start with fatigue and chronic dehydration that never seemed to resolve. On top of this (or contributing to it) I found out I had a severe gluten allergy. Once I realized what it was I realized it would make me feel foggy and practically unconscious. I could hardly even drive a car! This would wreck me for up to 5 days after eating even a little. In January of 2014 I wound up in the ER fighting for my life without the doctors knowing what the heck was going on. Long story short, 1 ½ years, hundreds of supplements and 14 doctors later, I had some answers but certainly did not feel healthy and just got so used to feeling so badly that I just figured I would always be like that. Besides the health issues, I’ve lived my entire life on purpose as an artist with big goals and purposes. But a few months before I started the Purif, even those came crashing down. I was in a terrible spiritual and physical state when I started this.
“So, a few months ago it was discussed that I’d try to do my Purif. I was scared due to my dehydration issues and intolerance to heat. But I’d been working with a cool doctor and she gave me the go ahead, so I got started!
“One of the first things I noticed is that I started feeling less and less scared of my body. I used to be very careful of my body – but now I am running! I also started to have hope! I couldn’t think of anything I’d ever taken or been exposed to that could possibly be running out (I’ve never done any drugs or alcohol in my life- a few Motrin here and there and 2 occasions of Novocain and that’s pretty much it). But then, I remembered the section in the Clear Body Clear Mind book about other chemicals like pesticides and such and started to realize that part of the problem some have with gluten has been said to be not only the GMO but also the very awful pesticides being used on it. I kid you not, as soon as I had that thought, it started to blow! I was amazed! Then, some more of my hope came back and day by day I started feeling better! I truly didn’t realize how much of a cloud I had been in until it lifted! I suddenly felt in touch with my body, my mind, my emotions and my future.
“Never did I think I had enough toxins in me to actually inhibit my emotions, my goals and my ability to learn, etc. But they were there and now they are gone! I feel more able to see the world around me and comprehend things. I notice I can study faster and understand things much more easily. I notice my joy for life has come back as well as my desire to start creating again. There is no longer this odd wall between me and myself. It’s like another entity moved out – something else that was controlling me! Now, I’m here without it and I’m fluid inside my own mind and emotions. I’m so happy and ready to see what new adventures await me on the next step of my Bridge. I’m so thankful for Ron and for all he did for us. Also, to my twin and my supervisors. Thank you all for helping me save my own life and for giving me hope for the first time in a long time that I can move up The Bridge. The doors lay open in a way I didn’t know they could for me. You all have saved my eternity on this 1ststep – because I made it through and will make it through many beautiful steps ahead. Thank you!” -J.C.
Call now and come in to see me. Let’s figure out how to get you going on your Purification Rundown!
269.965.5203
I was a trained Purif I/C and C/S who supervised the program for quite a few years for dozens of people. At the time, most of them had been in heavy street drugs. It would be intellectually dishonest from me to invalidate all the great changes that I observed in others (most of which were not even Scientologists per se). I mean, I saw people getting the same exact sensations, sypmptoms and reactions right there at the sauna, as those they experienced during the time they were under the effect of those drugs. It would turn on , and then dissapear. Upon interviewing them in detail, they confessed to having felt exactly the same manifestations, including the full-bloom drug trip they felt at the time.
Almost all of them felt incredible better after such an experience. I handled lots of cases during years. In several ocassions I saw how a bathing suit that the person had used years , sometimes decades ago, was right there marked on his body while experiencing the symptoms of sun burns ; then after 2-4 periods inside the sauna totally going away with the person originating feeling more alert, energetic, “awake” , and with a general feeling on increased well being.
I used to have many allergies when I was a kid, and took dozens of medications for it that would leave me feeling doped up and mentally dull. I had also consumed lots of alcohol. During my own purif I had incredible reactions. The exact ones that I felt when I was under the influence of those drugs and alcohol. It was a hell. After 21-22 days my body felt VERY different. My energy levels had increased very markedly. My alertness had changed a lot as well. I felt lighter and more healthty. Something definitively had changed for the better.
Do I believe in all those claims the the CofS put out, and the principles upon which the program is alledgedly based ? Not necessarily. I believe in scientific tests and about sharing our findings with other researchers so that my claims can be verified and tested by others. That’s what I believe in. But the accumulated empirical data to which I was a witness of, I just can’t brush it all off, and write it off as a “delusion” I had when I was a member of the cult. My experiences were VERY real.
So my point is that YES, the program needs to undergo scientific tests, and yes, it must be done using strict scientific methodologies, with accumulated empirical data that others can inspect by themselves. But to just invalidate the program, ANY program, just because it came from LRH or whoever the hell it comes from, is not proper science neither.
My ¢2 cents.
TC
Thanks TC. I enjoyed the Purif immensely. It certainly did me no harm. Getting 8 hours of sleep and exercising every day was amazing. As I mentioned to Brandy Zadrony when she was doing the story on the Purif Program for Vets that appeared in the Daily Beast: just the sauna, sleep, exercise and vitamins is likely going to improve the health and outlook of anyone. And there is also the placebo effect of every “treatment” whether drug or regimen. To be scientific, the vet study should have a comparative group — people going in the sauna and exercising and taking no vitamins and niacin and oil. ANd the results should be measured not just in “I feel better” though you could certainly do that if you had comparative arms of the study, but with bllod and urine tests to determine changes during the course of the regimen. Of course, they spent nearly $700,000 and “didn’t have any money” to do blood tests for the VA “study.” What a joke.
I wonder if people taking large doses of niacin without ANY OTHER of the elements of the Purif program would also get the same sort of reactions. Outlines of bathing suites. And less and less reaction as the tolerance increased? Who knows. Nobody connected to scientology is EVER going to conduct any real study for fear of what the results will show.
Happy people get results from the Purif. Sweat Lodges have been around for a long time and I suspect there is benefit to them.
“Thanks TC. I enjoyed the Purif immensely. It certainly did me no harm. Getting 8 hours of sleep and exercising every day was amazing. ”
TC : You are most welcome, and yes, I know what you mean.
“As I mentioned to Brandy Zadrony when she was doing the story on the Purif Program for Vets that appeared in the Daily Beast: just the sauna, sleep, exercise and vitamins is likely going to improve the health and outlook of anyone. ”
TC : I very much agree with that. However, I feel that Sauna therapy is a field on its own, and one that is almost as old as civilization itself. The theory that many fat soluble toxins get store in the adipose tissue is not LRH’s original idea by a long ways. This belief in the field that this idea was originated with LRH just show a poor research of the subject. Many of LRH’s ideas on that as well as on nutrition , he took it from the late Adelle Davis and other nutrition researchers. The theory that profuse swrating in a sauna help detox the body of impurities is also a VERY old idea. Indians used this principle to “purify the spirt” as they called it. Here are some links on Sauna therapy and its history :
http://www.lymebook.com/history-of-sauna-therapy
http://www.lymebook.com/sauna-mercury-pesticides-hydrobarbon-drug-detox
http://drlwilson.com/articles/sauna_therapy.htm
http://www.cyberbohemia.com/Pages/historyofnordic.htm
“And there is also the placebo effect of every “treatment” whether drug or regimen.”
TC : Yes, that’s very true, but let’s not overlook the fact that the improved cases are just too many to just explain them as the placebo effect. I alone handled hundreds of cases with a direct and daily accumulation of observable empirical data. As I said before, most of those cases were not even Scientologists yet, so they weren’t still influenced to any marked degree by Scn’s cult(ish) nature. In fact, they were still testing.
” To be scientific, the vet study should have a comparative group —people going in the sauna and exercising and taking no vitamins and niacin and oil. ANd the results should be measured not just in “I feel better” though you could certainly do that if you had comparative arms of the study, but with bllod and urine tests to determine changes during the course of the regimen. ”
TC : There should be a third group just exercising and taking vits (except niacin) but with no sauna therapy at all. And a fourth group following the program as outlined but w/out the niacin. The participants should be ideally people with no prior experience with Scn, and a lot better if they have never heard of it. No explanation of the program should be given to them so as to eliminate any exterior influence. So for me, it should be 4 groups, 30 participants in each group at least , totally ignorant of the purpose of the experiment, and totally ignorant of Scn. That should do it.
“Of course, they spent nearly $700,000 and “didn’t have any money” to do blood tests for the VA “study.” What a joke.”
TC : You mean the mighty Church didn’t have any money to fully fund it ? A cult never has money for public research, dear Mike.
“I wonder if people taking large doses of niacin without ANY OTHER of the elements of the Purif program would also get the same sort of reactions. Outlines of bathing suites. And less and less reaction as the tolerance increased? Who knows.”
TC : Yeah, who knows ? May be the niacin is not a vital element per se.
” Nobody connected to scientology is EVER going to conduct any real study for fear of what the results will show.”
TC : That’s a fact. It goes against being a cult.
“Happy people get results from the Purif. Sweat Lodges have been around for a long time and I suspect there is benefit to them.”
TC : They have been around for thousands of years , in fact. See the links.
Best regard,
TC
Hallucinogenic substances produce intense body rushes as do fasting, sitting in a sauna and sometimes meditation. Those sensations are intrinsic to an electrically charged nervous system and can be interpreted in many ways just like an inkblot picture. Once when tripping on mushrooms with a friend, he said he felt like bugs were crawling all over him while I felt like I was dissolving into the air around me. Same sensations, different experience.
I got your point ; thank you.
TC
Yeah, right. That success story is plain BULLSHIT. Are we to believe that some fresh meat has peppered their story with $cientology nomenclature? WHAT A FUCKING MIRACLE. Excuse my language. But fuck these dangerous people. Seriously.
“It seemed to start with fatigue and chronic dehydration that never seemed to resolve.” This sounds awfully like the classic symptoms of diabetes even to this (medically unqualified) practitioner…
There is actually one chemical that the Purification Rundown removes that some people consider very dangerous, although the body typically replenishes this chemical in the bodies of those addicted to it in a matter of hours after the Purif anyway. I’m surprised that Scientology has not noted these effects and put it into their marketing materials.
I’m referring of course, to Dihydrogen Monoxide (aka “hydronic acid”), a major component of acid rain, a chemical used in great quantities in some of the world’s most heavily polluting industries (including in nuclear power plants), a chemical that can cause significant tissue damage if not death with less than an hour’s exposure to its solid form, a chemical present in virtually all malignant cancer tumors, a chemical consumed by 100% of mass murderers and terrorist bombers within 24 hours before committing their heinous acts, and a chemical that is essential to most modern pesticides. Despite this, it remains only slightly regulated due to the political clout of the Dihydrogen Monoxide manufacturers and distributors.
Google “Dihydrogen Monoxide” to learn more about this dangerous chemical. I suspect that the only reason that Scientology has not created numerous front groups to protest a chemical that has been involved in the deaths of more people every year than “the psychs” is that Hubbard was so unfamiliar with chemistry that he never wrote a word about its risks.
Had Hubbard, however, done “research” on Dihydrogen Monoxide and its effects, I’m sure that Scientology would consider it at least as dangerous as “the psychs” and Scientologists would be donating millions of dollars to hand out “The Way to A Dihydrogen Monoxide-free Life” on street corners and at natural disaster scenes through the tireless efforts of the Volunteeer Ministers, the “largest private relief force in the world.”
To be serious about this for a second, one of my specialties is the creation of hazard and risk analyses for food safety. I have to document a list of hazards for each raw material going into a manufactured food item (including the packaging). I have an entire page, in very small print, on dihydrogen monoxide, because every food safety auditor worth his salt will start looking at your hazard analysis and ask you where your entry for this ingredient is. I know I do that, and, boy, does it piss people off.
Well, I’ll be damned… that’s about the scariest google search I’ve ever done and I’ve researched some unsavoury stuff in my time. Thanks John (I think?)
I wonder if this promo piece is not a bit more accurate: http://bit.ly/ScnPromo
Does the purif come with steak knives and an offer of discounted times shares? Also, I need a second hand car… Is it true Scientology can help with that?
That poster HAS to be a violation of FDA rules. If they can raid Scientology for claiming the E-meter had medical value in the 1960s, what allows Narconon to make these 100% bogus, pseudoscientific claims?
This is not Narconon, it is the church of scientology. Watch John Oliver’s piece last week and it will give you a pretty good introduction to the world of religions and their promises in exchange for your money…
RADIATION
FOUND IN: THE SUN/TANNING BEDS
CAN CAUSE: SKIN CANCER
With David Miscavige looking more like an Oompa Loompa each day I’m surprised there are not more comments on this. He must be spending all his spare time in the sauna given his personal tanning beds.
Also, CARBON MONOXIDE?
FOUND IN: SMOG
CAN CAUSE: RESPIRATORY DISEASE
Again, like above, just window dressing for dupes while COP and the majority of Co$ sucks down the smooth relaxing flavor of what LRH says is ok to do.
Deliver Anything to make a buck.
Embellish the things that cause bad effects on the body
Nothing like attention on the BODY to get at bank accounts.
It worked for snake oil salesmen in the 1800’s in the Wild West,
put a new spin on that and charge more money !!!!!!!
Much to the chagrin of the “church,” we know a lot about El Con’s life. We know, for example, that he was a heavy drinker and drug abuser for many years, most likely most (or all) of his life. He spent many years on ships, exposed to all kinds of toxicity.
But even according to discredited tall tales, he would have also been a hero who had been exposed to all kinds of terrible things in theatres of war (which of course he never saw). Or, taking another whopper at face value, he had “gone native” all over Asia, absorbing Oriental wisdom, philosophy and culture (while his own diary exposed him as a narrow-minded, racist “ugly American” who would not have given a “native” the time of day). Regardless, imagine all of the exotic toxins he would have suffered in the fictional scenario as well.
So either way–whether we believe the well documented truth or LRH’s alternative “history” of himself–if there ever was a man who could have benefited from the “tremendous healing” that is wrought by the Purif, it would have been the “great thetan” himself. Maybe, he would not have had to spend his final years being injected with psycho-pharmaceuticals, clawing at body thetans and spiraling into madness?
This leaves us with a simple question: Why is there absolutely no evidence that LRH EVER underwent a Purif? Wouldn’t “research” require that you try something out, before you write up wild quackery and wait for the Nobel Prize to arrive (embarrassing what we know about the bio of this deluded little man, isn’t it!). Not to mention, wouldn’t his life have been so much better, had he practiced what he believed in? We know he was a deeply neurotic man who was both a hypochondriac as well as afraid of doctors/dentists (and boy, did he have the mouth and boil to show for that!). Yet, didn’t he have the solution to all of these dilemmas right there in the form of the Purif? So, while waiting for the Nobel committee to come to its inevitable conclusion favoring the great humanitarian, why didn’t he do a purify or two? With all his ill-gotten loot, he had the means to build his own Super Power building. Surely, he could have had a sauna built and sent a minion on a Niacin run?
And therein lies the rub: Of course, LRH did not believe in a single word he uttered about the purif. Evidence suggests that he may have become ensnared in his own phantasies and that he may have come to believe some of his own “tech” in other areas, such as swatting away “body thetans.” But it is abundantly clear that the “sweat, run and pay $3 grand” tech was not something he put any stock in as anything but another cash cow for himself.
Well, that is an interesting point.
He did not do the Purif. He also didnt do the Running Program….
Hi Mike,Thank you for the info regarding Ron.I had wondered about that.Always Ann B.
But I think that anybody that fat would sweat the equivalent of doing both those programs, even just getting out of bed in the morning.
Hi Todd Cray,Good to meet you and an interesting post.I definitely see that Ron did & said a lot of things that may or may not pertain to his own experience.I have a misty recall where on The Sea Org Tapes he spoke about sailing the seven seas thru furious gales and such all the while flipping delicious pancakes and scrambled eggs in the galley while simultaneously developing The Sea Org et all.At the time I was entranced,what a being- now I see the Charade in living color!Take Care Ann B.
The Purif does not remove toxins from your body. The body sweats to cool itself down. If you drink pure oil, it does not replace “bad” fat, it adds to it. Downing salt pills is ridiculously stupid. There are ways to help rid the body of excess toxins, forced sweating is not one of them. And cramming all those vitamins and niacin down your throat, just makes the body work harder to get rid of all that crap. I did 2 sweat out pgms, with and without suit, and 4 purifs. 100%, definitely, without a doubt, does not free your body of toxins. And it can be very dangerous. I’m the first one to admit that there’s some workable stuff in Scientology, the purif definitely ain’t included in that.
Aren’t these Purif claims a violation of the truth on advertising rules?
Here are some recent news stories on the program:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/you-re-paying-for-scientology-s-gulf-war-syndrome-experiment.html
http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ph-ac-cn-detox-1214-20141214-story.html
http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/scientology/scientology-detox-program-being-tested-by-u-s-govt-on-gulf-war-veterans
There is a clinical trial of the purif currently in progress, being run for the government by independent researchers, specifically for Gulf War Syndrome: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01672710
I’ver been the first to “deliver” and translate the fraudulous scam called Purification rundown in French.
With my staffs, we did it to some 100 people. Two of them had Enournous problems that could have led them to the tomb.
The stupid “doctor” Gene Denk who was defending and helping Hubbard to commit that new scam was not even able to answer simple questions about the scam.
I met later in AOSH EU a southamerican guy who was on the “process” since… six month.
The scam killed more than one person in France.
Despite having gotten 600000 euros amed in France, the crime cultists keep on delivering it in caves in 7, rue Jules Cesar, Paris 12, in rue Nolleau, paris17, even to kids as Young as 9 or so.
Most of such disaster for humanity come directly from the insale First amendment of the US constitution.
That’s criminal, and no US citizen is able to change this. at this time.
Two out of one-hundred had a bad reaction to the program? That seems to compare favorably to most medical procedures, which often have much higher adverse, even fatal, reaction rates…..
“…But I’d been working with a cool doctor and she gave me the go ahead, so…”
The name of the doctor is, of course, ommited, as presumably valueable as that data would be, and as if the originator of that testimonial was genuinely motivated to share valuable information. The real agenda is not only obvious but also old. Instead of offering print that shares real information, we get another hollow sales pitch, promotion to support expansion and the flow of dollars from your pocket to theirs.
Amazing, how this group continually shoots itself in the foot. How could the “most able” beings on the planet be, apparently, the only ones who don’t get it? I see a beautiful bubble that shines smooth on the surface and nothing but emptiness inside. Yes, I do see through it. Only the believers are blind.
If you are Sea Org and are reading this, I commend you. You have come a long ways, took risks to get this far, to be sure. I respect and admire you on many levels. Your courage and willingness to question this self-ordained belief structure means you have granted yourself a power greater that the fortified and tested barriers of deception and intimidation this …belief-system… is now becoming famous for.
You are on the right track. Keep looking. Keep doubting, for doubt is the elixor of salvation. Fight anyone who forbids you to doubt. Fight all who tell you the problem is you and, know, freedom is at hand. I did it, and so there is hope.
Everyone leaves. I heard someone say that and I believe it to be true. Even LRH, and believe me I loved him like Jesus loves the Lord, well, his body was riddled with drugs on the day he died. What? His body was riddled with drugs, the most able of the able, the originator of origin and the leader of the crusade to bring all mankind onto the doorstep of the next spiritual evolution? I know it hurts to hear, hurts as much as heart can be real, but this is no time to be nice just to avoid pain. But, Ron left and abandoned the church, violated his own doctrine and refused to tell you the truth, even before he died.
Yet you are here.
I’m glad.
The flyer lacks the required disclaimer “These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease.”
Given the health claims made on the flyer they could get in some trouble with the FDA, but enforcement is very lax and they probably wouldn’t waste limited resources in fighting Scientology..
I did experience some kind of ep on the purif, tho a mild one. In later years I experienced a greater relief from doing a colon cleanse. I eventually got in trouble because the colon cleanse was “squirrel tech”.. Also go in trouble for reading up on and practicing alternative medicine practices, because I got information elsewhere than from Adele Davis. Adele Davis, you may know, is the ONLY alternative practitioner approved by LRH. (I have this verbally from Flag MAA, so it must be true. :O) Does anyone have actual studies or scientific data from the purif?
“Scientific data?”
“We don’ need no stinkin’ scientific data!”
LOL! 😀
Hi webyourstuff, Good to meet you.Your post made me recall in 1974 very early in my SO journey,I was told other than Ron the only two approved books were Big League Sales & Adele Davis’s book which my late mother used in the fifties.I can’t recall the title.All other books especially the Conan series which I was not into were not to be read.However I did not see this in writing.Take Care,Ann B.
Ann B. that’s hilarious. My Uncle (who was a friend of El Con’s in the 50’s) said that he was introduced to the books of Robert E. Howard by Hubbard.
Hi John Locke, That is totally hilarious! I was recalling that the reason we could not read Conan was that more SOers were reading that than Ron when not on course.Also that Ron was the ultimate story teller & he was working on a series of books that the SO could read : Battlefield Earth being the first in my opinion one of the more boring SF series with not much meat.Anyway I love hearing of those that knew Ron in the fifties..always the shape-shifter I feel.XO Ann B.
I see “false advertising” red flags all over such promotions put out by CO$ —- Where’s the FDA?
If I were a vitamin supplement company and made these kind of “cure” claims, I’d be slapped by the FDA in no time flat!
Yea he’ll make it “…through many beautiful steps ahead” until he is homeless and disconnected.
Riddle me this: how many clients of the Battle Creek “org” are Narconon graduates funneled in from Per Wickstrom’s shady operations? And if that is significant head count, does Wickstrom get an FSM commission on drug rehab graduate referrals?
Would this be a borderline claim of curing/remedying some body disorders, diseases, or so?
If yes, it is how Dianetics started, making claims of curing anything thus ending in controversy with Medical Associations for the fraud of claiming cures without the use of medicine.
It is true or not, is another matter; but how a ‘religion’, in a very covert manner, claims physical cure?
Not only the IRS, but also the AMA should be looking into this scam.
There seems much disagreement with problems of LSD being stored.
However there are many toxins stored in the body. So the purif may not be doing exactly what LRH predicted, but is getting rid of lots of other nasty things.
http://www.alsearsmd.com/2011/01/six-steps-to-a-pure-and-clean-body/
Coriander and Chlorella is good for removing heavy metals.
Really Terril? So you have scientific studies to hand that biopsied fat before and after the “purif” plus collected sweat samples DURING the purif showing it does what El Con eluded to? If so indicate. Otherwise, well you know the drill about scientific claims and trolling…
JL, here is Terril’s ulterior motive, which he doesn’t bother to disclose to us: for nearly twenty years, he’s been seen as Mister Indie Hero, getting people out of the cult and giving them a “landing zone” if they want to keep using the Fraudulent Body Of Knowledge known as the “Tech”. He has grown addicted to the praise he receives from the Blown Bivalves, and the praise must continue. Knowing how much he would be eviscerated if he outright supported the Putrif here (which he oh, so desperately wants to do), he is attempting to equivocate and trying to have it both ways, so that he won’t catch any flak from those of us who know the score about the Putrif and keeps his core audience happy by not going against L. Fraud.
He doesn’t give two shits about how he comes across to us Antis. We’re not the audience he’s concerned with. So he can come out and sound as stupid as he wishes, but the image of Hero Of The Beach that he promulgates about himself hasn’t been damaged.
Thanks Espi (once again). I just googled Terril’s name and he/she is a LONG term Scamology Troll. Your analysis of its methodology is spot on.
At the recent Toronto Conference, one of the most fascinating presentations was given by Angela Harris, a Toxicologist, who deconstructed the nonsensical claims made for the Purif word for word and line by line.
The quackery and fraudulent aspects of Hubbard’s “de-tox” become startlingly evident when they meet with Science.
The inescapable conclusion is that Scientology is the most toxic thing that a person can come into contact with.
“I kid you not, as soon as I had that thought, it started to blow! I was amazed!’
Translation:
I have never done drugs or drank alcohol, so I had to find something to write about in this success story or they won’t let me leave and I can’t afford it anymore…..
Or, could it be that once JC thought that something was happening, it happened? I am
To quote Ann Archer…..”Do I look brainwashed to you?” Um, yes…..yes you do……you
More unfounded claims by Scientology.
No science involved, just the imaginings of a certifiable nutjob, perverted by a raging sociopath. (and to think for a time I bought in to this bullshit). The way through is to get out. The sooner the better. I have the deepest respect for all who have done so and bring the truth about this Cult to the attention of others. Keep up the great work, we Special Persons do call it as it is.
Hi GBTO,Your post is so true,the way through is the way out,not the other way round thank goodness.Yes all here do call it like it is,more and more power to & through us all.XO Ann B.
That silly poster reflects Hubbard’s enduring lack of understanding of radiation. He thinks radiation is stored in the body. No. There are several types of what is called ionizing radiation, and they all involve either moving particles (protons, electrons, and even neutrons) and plain electromagnetic radiation (like x-rays). (There is also non-ionizing radiation, but that’s a different story.)
Ionizing radiation is called that because it can ionize what it hits, knocking one or more electrons off an atom, creating a charged atom — an ion. The effect of ionizing radiation is generally cumulative.
Ionizing radiation can impact the body by damaging tissues, cells, and DNA, and that can lead to cancers — not because the radiation is “somehow stored in the body” but because it has damaged the body as it has gone through the body, knocking electrons around and ionizing some atoms.
Unless niacin and sweating can somehow repair damaged DNA, the claim that the Purification Rundown can eliminate radiation that is not even there is ludicrous and is a huge signal for any educated person of the impoverished scientific understand of Hubbard.
If Scientologists really wanted to cut down on radiation exposure, they may want to get their folks off the rice and beans and cigarettes. Cigarettes contain some radioactive materials as do some kinds of beans, and bananas and so on. But for any OSA reading this, it does not mean that if you smoke or eat these things you are storing radiation in your body. It means that your are ingesting materials that contain radioactive isotopes that, when they decay in their normal half-lives, they give off radiation. Once the radiation is emitted, it is gone. It does not somehow decide to settle down in your fatty tissue, though on its way through body, if it is ionizing radiation, it may indeed damage DNA or cells.
To Scientology and Hubbard on their checking out on the topic of radiation: “FLUNK! Forget the word clearing and go back to school.”
Bingo FOTF2012. In effect El Con said that ionizing radiation from the Sun could make PEOPLE radioactive. Okay all you El Con apologists, speak up about how smart this idiot was. (even though when he made that pronouncement it was known by EVERY physicist that it was bunk. Don’t be shy, step right up…
They wouldn’t dare come forward with me here. The moment we get into one’s beloved subject in which one has his degree in, one tends to turn into a rabid tiger should someone start misstating facts.
The flyer doesn’t actually mention the words “Purification Rundown”, probably by design. How is the FDA not looking into this? They are making scientific claims that can be tested easily. If this isn’t practicing medicine without a license then I am not sure what is.
Hi Mike,All I can say is omg the cult is at it again.All those years ago whenever I caught a slight cold or cough especially in a room with six girls,I was always told by Qual I caused the situation and running & mega vitamins would fix me right up.And the dragging out with the radiation line again.If I had not had super duper radiation in 2014 I would be on a cloud right now,and if there are any effects from that, that is the trade off I chose.In my opinion Ron’s take on illness, medicine etc was all over the map.Once when the so1 line did not write me back for the week I wrote and received an answer that Ron had had a mild heart attack but would be well soon.I’m sure he did not do any pole or Griffith Park running to cure himself.But you were there and really know the score.It is so incomprehensible that David Miscavige shovels this bs in a different form each week!Does any one else feel as if he threw every policy letter and all of Ron’s stuff up in the air and is pulling out bits & pieces to fit the insane bridge he has throughly done a number on!Oh Brother!! XO Ann B.
Miss Ellie,
Reading your post made me chuckle.
Especially: no longer think of my past lives.
Dio
“There is no longer this odd wall between me and myself. It’s like another entity moved out – something else that was controlling me! Now, I’m here without it and I’m fluid inside my own mind and emotions. I’m so happy…”
I am happy to hear that the entity moved out. I hope the demon is not heading my way.
Is this self-delusion or what?
Hi Path of BuddhaGeorge M. White, I like your post.Self-delusional is right She is glad the entity moved out and hopes the demon isn’t coming her way.Could that be Davud Miscavge right around the corner?! Always enjoy all your posts.Ann B.
Hi Path of BuddhaGeorge M. White, Correction: David Miscavige.Always Ann B.
^^^ BT’s – most likely….
(just kiddin)
Yes – delusions and implants from reading L Ron’s – “Con” – Scientology and Dianetic’s.
What??? You actually *READ* the Dianetics book??? I have to say that, if so, you are one of the first to claim that. LOL Back in the long ago day, I was a successful FSM. My trick was to NEVER recommend an LRH book! Ruth Minshull was my go to author. Simple, clean, useful writing. Interestingly, some of her books can still be found on the net.
Hi thegman77, You are so smart! The DMSMH book got me into all sorts of crazy adventures in SO.I should have walked right by the volcano,but having lived in Hawaii from 51-55,as a very young child, Ron had me hooked with the cover! XO Ann B.
My first Purif was good. Second one I didn’t need. I was complaining about feeling like crap so of course the CS knew my purif wasn’t flat because I did it before anyone knew that FNs had to swing three times.
I have to confess though that my first one was a good thing. I had drug flashbacks and all that. After about three weeks I felt very clean and fresh and mentally clear, and I knew I was done. I don’t regret my first purif at all.
Guess the 15th Doctor wasn’t such a dumb ass.
Scientology tried to cure me of “having a conscience” but ultimately failed. I found that a thousand apt justifications are not a replacement for one well placed and heartfelt apology.
Glutens and GMOs and toxins, oh my! It sounds like he’s suffering from an excess of woo in the brain.
All Scientology disclaimers to “healing” are pronounced with a knowing “wink.” Each of us were conditioned to understand that all “medicos” are bogus fakers. “Disclaimers are something we just have to say because the government makes us.” Only Scientology can help anything, anywhere, anytime just as Tom Cruise asserted in his infamous video using the “mission impossible” theme music background and the car accident as an example.
So true, Chris. When you’re in the bubble these things are “understood”.
I remember all this nonsense being promoted when the Purif was released in the field back in ’79?. As far as I know, it was illegal then and still is. Making these types of medical claims I mean.
Yep, the world at large certainly is a dangerous place; rife with chemicals and toxins, body thetans, bad postulates, evil intentions, whole track galactic conspiracies , etc…you know, things no one can see.
Looks like they are reverting to their pre-FDA raid days, making blatant claims to medical cures. And if the person doesn’t get the promised result? Well, they’re just spiritually troubled; much, much worse than was originally estimated and are going to need a lot more auditing. Did you bring your checkbook?
I know there are First Amendment protections, but how far can a “religious” group go? How unethical can they act? How dishonest can they be? Before some higher authority steps in and says “enough is enough”?
Not only is the infinite past a chronological series of experiences that has left you too fucked up to move a pencil with your unaided intention, but the world is a petrie dish of contaminants and poisons that are infecting you and bringing you down down down. Only scientology can save you from this mine field of calamities and sorrow called YOUR TERRIBLE EXISTENCE.
Scientology: $aving you from the unseen threats that lurk in your body, your mind and your soul!
Purif can change my body chemistry to eat wheat again?! That’s snake oil like I’ve never read before. Biggest bullshit ever. This is insulting!
And I have a great bridge in Brooklyn that you can have for great price.
There are many things that will help you feel better. All you have to do is make changes. The best change I ever made was dumping the sciobots. I feel better am more focused and have done more with my life than ever before. I no longer think of my past lives I stay in present time and have found my purpose. I want everyone to feel my joy as I continue on my path to freedom from sciobots. What a great win!
Good post, Ellie.
Does the Purif clean out lungs of all the tar and resin from smoking like so many SO members must carry around in their chests? As a regretful smoker myself, I am wondering if I should go to my nearest org to rejuvenate my lungs with sauna and niacin. Will Narconon help me? Please oh please, it’s a cry for help. Please respond after I finish this smoke though, anything else is untimely enturbulation.
Hi OTD-OUTTHEDOOR, I hear you.I smoked a pack every one to two weeks from 17-30. Kools no less.I quit cold turkey and have never smoked since no lung problems so far.What helped me was just looking at a pack reminded me of what I went thru in SO.That was enough to get me away from Ron’s Smokes! XO Ann B.
OTD, I certainly hope NOT! My God! Remember, Hubbard in all his wisdom said, Not smoking ENOUGH causes cancer! If the purif takes out tar and resins from smoking, won’t they go into withdraws? Crap, they’ll have to smoke, what, 5 packs a day to catch up?
And that is why my smoking baby avi is named Little Ronnie Hubs.. cause you know you can never start too young to avoid cancer.. So I smoke away.
OTD, I’ve done the Purif twice. The first time I did it my Purif I/C was smoking at his desk. After smoking my brains out for 20 years I had quit smoking 2 years before and it bothered me to smell that second hand smoke in what was supposed to be a detox area,and it annoyed me on principle because it was so antithetical to the concept of Pufif that he was puffing away right next to the sauna like that. I mentioned it to him and he replied that there was no policy forbidding it. I see today that this was a typical, thought-stopping type response from a staff person. The second time I did the Pufif was 10 years after the first time, and I was the only person on it, and the Purif I/C didn’t smoke, I guess, because I never saw him light up. Today its forbidden but only because of the local anti smoking laws.
OTD. A brilliant man named Allen Carr wrote the book “The Easy Way to Stop Smoking”. I read the book and I did quit forever. Sir Richard Branson, Ashton Kutcher and Ellen Degeneres all did the same and all talk about the book.
The Easy Way by Allan Carr motivated me to quit cold-turkey, as well! It’s been about 10 years and I never get the urge!
They forgot the asbestos they expose their SO members to.
Hi Cat, I love your name and very good to meet you.Yes I have an ongoing relationship with ” the blue dust” Cannot forgive or forget The Cult for that! All the Drug R/N downs sweat programs you name it I did at SO could not stop the cancer gene turn on caused by the stuff.Ron / David you get a huge Flunk for telling me to do hundreds of touch assist & body comms to get me less three feet from my body & more in comm with it.Yet you let the body poison itself with Niacin blood sweat and mucho tears in the dark of night.Take Care,Ann B.
Just be sure that you don’t have some sort of LIVER problem … i.e. fatty liver, toxic liver, Hep C …
BECAUSE the NIACIN doses recommended in the purif *COULD* cause liver failure depending on how progressed your liver problem might be.
Fortunately when I was forced to wear a plastic suit while running and then sitting in a sauna for 4 hours in late 1970’s at the Flag Land Base — I was young and my much later (2007) diagnosis of Hep C was years away.
Hep C is a slow moving killer — and at that time I only had Hep C (unknown and undiagnosed) for 10 years.
AND fortunately for me — I refused to do the purif again and definitely refused to follow the favored pastime of an ex-husband — NIACIN AND THE sauna. Each home we had and lived in had a sauna. I just flatly refused.
Being stubborn has served me well. 🙂
I’m alive and now THANKS to pharmaceutical drugs — 100% hep c free.
I’ll be around to bug the sh** out of everyone for a long time —- I hope.
Windhorse
Windhorse,
Dr. Edward Group has some of the most cutting-edge detox products around, IMHO. I recently completed the liver and gallbladder cleanse with great results. Find out more about it at the Global Healing Center. Here is the link to the homepage…….
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/
Is it just me or does ‘Dr. Edward Group’ look like Kato Kaelin (of OJ Simpson fame)?
One cannot cleanse a liver or gallbladder. One can correct some malfunctions with various drugs, but you can’t polish them up and set them on display. I like the testamony from Lyn Gore ” Oxy Powder is the greatest find ever! It’s my go to whenever I need a good cleansing.” I use it keep my underwear and sheets clean.
Magical thinking abounds in the ‘health’ industry. Is ‘Dr. Group’ an Osteopath by any chance? Perhaps some sort of clam connection?
Dear Zemooo
You said:One cannot cleanse a liver or gallbladder.
I had huge liver stone and gull stone problems and a lump in my liver in 97.
I landed up in emergency a few times for demerol treatments until I figured out what to do and got some control of it.
I used the Hulda Clark liver and gall bladder several times then and since, with great success.
On my best cleanse I passed about four litres of green liver and gall bladder stones.
With that cleanse and some good auditing I got rid of small fist size lump in my liver.
During the time with the liver problems I used to experience excrutiating pains. That lasted for about 10 yrs before it was all over.
Yes, the liver and gull bladder and the body too can be cleansed, if you know what you are doing.
I have the equivalent of a degree in RBTI body chemistry and supplement chemistry. So that helps tremendously.
I have never done the purif, so can’t comment on it.
But I am sure if Hubbard said it works and all the cos staff claim it can cure pretty much everything, I am sure it is good.
: b
Dio
Hi Dio,I am happy what you did worked for you.It is hard to tell if you are being serious with your last comment on Ron.If you are I must respectfully totally disagree with you.Everything Ron did was not good at all.Thank you Ann B.
Ann,
RE: It is hard to tell if you are being serious with your last comment on Ron.If you are I must respectfully totally disagree with you.Everything Ron did was not good at all.Thank you Ann B.
It was pure sarcasm of the highest order.
If you have followed my posts over time, you should of caught on.
But maybe you have not followed my posts which are only occasional.
The thingy symbol at the bottom of my post ” : b ”
meant tongue sticking out and to the side.
:::)))
But yes, I cured a fist sized lump in my liver. It was not easy, by any means.
Took a good ten yrs.
A few times, I was afraid I was not going to make it.
But it is done.
In some ways, better now at 62 than I have been all my life.
Cheers,
Dio
Hi Dio, Sorry,I think this is the third time I came to your post.Thank you for explaining,I will look forward to finding you in the future.Take Care,Ann B.
Windhorse:
FACT: LRH claims chemical toxins interfere with auditing and training progress and are stored in a body’s fat but can now be eliminated for the first time by exercise with nutritional supplementation on the Purification Rundown.
FACT: Fat tissue has NO circulation through it (i.e. veins, arteries). It is composed of excess mis-consumed calories a person took in and never burned off. Fat tissue only dissolves in the presence of oxygen from 30 minutes of non-stop aerobic activity such as running or jogging. This kind of exercise triggers a bodily enzyme that uses any stored fat as energy and is the actual truth behind weight loss. Anything else won’t work. (Unless a person suffers from Anorexia Nervosa as most people don’t). A thinner person might therefore then experience a “toxin free type” body experience after doing the Purif if that person is not much overweight.
But, a person that is still 10, 20 or 30+ pounds overweight when their Purif is done has toxin free fat still yet stored in their body because the rest of their fat has been purified? 🙂
What happens? The slightest ill feeling the Purifee gets it is time to RE-DO the Purif. The person is not following LRH’s tech and is an ethics cycle in order? Of course these things are not free and this is the the way the church tries to get rich. Because most people get so confused by all the lies around they come to believe anything their told. Are church members excluded from that fact? I guess not if they are still re-doing their Purif’s and going to Ethics to get checked out! 🙂
Hi Windhorsegallery,A super post I could really relate too.When I had to run barefoot in Griffith Park I was told to wrap my thighs with Saran Wrap to draw the poisons out! Right y’all what happened was my circulation was cut off,so before the sun came up I would go behind vegetation and rip that stuff off & run in this winter sweat outfit I had to wear.Being young saved me, today I would collapse in a heap! Please please bug the s**** out of all of us for a long long time.And I love your posts always XO Ann B.
Ann, were you made to run barefoot when you did your Purif. If so, that is bizarre. No one runs any distances barefoot. On a sandy beach, possibly.
Hi Aqua,I ran barefoot on the dirt-sand paths that wound up & down the park.The reason I ran barefoot was courtesy of The Guardians Office Intelligence & they live on a different planet.Something about my feet releasing more toxins if they were bare.Never mind what else my feet might encounter in the dark no less,before the sun came up.I was not a happy camper.Love U Ann B.
Jesus, Ann. A different planet indeed. A different solar system and galaxy, to not make too strong a point of it.
Hi Aquamarine,Thank you from my heart,you are a shining star.Am I ever happy and grateful to have had the dawn break in on me so I could see the path out from that crowd of very strange folks playing a strange and dangerous game back then.Love U Always Ann.
Great story to read Windhorse. I had a friend with Hepatitis C who had it for years and eventually died of it. At that time there was no known cure for it. But now I read that you survived it with a pharmaceutical drug that cured it. Can I ask what drug it is? I want to read up on it. It is nice to know that more lives will be saved. I wish my friend had had access to that drug back then.
I’ve said for YEARS that “by mistake” scientology saved my life.
HOW? Because “good scientologists” don’t drink (cause they are on course), don’t take aspirin, and other OTC drugs etc.
SO — although I was undiagnosed I did THE VERY THING that will prevent someone from dying from HEP C early on —- I NEVER drank.
Most people who died from Hep C … were also at least social drinkers. One to 2 drinks a day/night. Those who drank more died quicker.
As for the pharmaceutical drug(s) I took — there are newer less expensive ones now on the market. BUT be warned — they are STILL a fortune. Best to consult a doctor who can recommend a hepatologist — they will know the newest drug.
And unless you have medicare OR obamacare insurance which allows pre-existing conditions — it’s doubtful that anyone has that kind of money lying around —
ESPECIALLY if they were in the church for decades.
AND also — not all bodies are created exactly equal (duh) — so some people with long term Hep C – aren’t doing all that badly and will probably die from old age … maybe.
Oh — any Ann Watson — thank you always for your comments. My blog name is Windhorse —- which is a Tibetan Buddhist term that kinda means life force or energy — kinda like “élan vital”
Windhorsegallery is just the log in to Mike’s blog.
Windhorse
Hi Windhorse,Thank you for giving me the meaning behind your lovely Tibetan Buddist name.I do think it is a force but seems a beautiful one to me.Thank you Always Ann B Watson or Ann B or just Ann.
It’s called Harvoni. I’m on a three month Hep C treatment plan right now. My insurance covers the expense I pay a small fee for the pills. The treatment is one $1000 Harvoni per day and 4 ribavirin per day. After two weeks my viral count went from 21000 to 15 (fifteen). Kaiser is getting 90% cure rate.
Yes, the biggest drug to hit the world last year. For the first time there is a cure for Hep C in 12 weeks. It used to be considered only “manageable.” But you know, Big Pharma are all evil SP’s intent on destroying mankind (unless they buy out Bob Duggan’s drug company and he gives a ton of cash to scientology, then it’s the “greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics…”
Mike very bright of you to point this out. Isn’t cancer preventable and curable through diet and proper nutrition? So I don’t know how anyone can consider that Bob Duggan and his fatwah drug are the new wave of help for Mankind, right? I mean, drugs are drugs, but if they are from me or you they are BAD, but if Bob Duggan gives you some then be all means it must be correct. It makes me feel like vomiting in the face of the Flag reg just sitting there 1.1 to say thank you to big donation Bob Duggan is giving. What a crock of butter eh? 🙂 I don’t want to say more than that at the moment. 🙂
Lawrence,
All cancer is caused by a specialized form of engrams in the GE section of the brain that Hubbard did not find.
He admitted to that in a couple of places in dianetics.
Dio
“I’ll be around to bug the shit out of everyone for a long time – I hope!
Listen, buster! You better be around for a long, long time! You hear me! If you don’t comply, I’ll track you down and open up a 32oz can of Whoop Ass! We need your post and we need you here. You don’t want to piss off aging surfers.
Considering the incidence of NAFLD (Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease) is 1) extremely high these days (could be as high as 30% according to some studies) 2) asymptomatic until something, of which we have only some obscure guesses, makes it progress to full cirrhosis and liver failure, I would not advise overdoses of niacin to ANYONE, no matter their liver enzyme function results, infectious status, or medical history.
Kemist>
Your post on NAFLD and not recommending over does of niacin is correct in my opinion. High does of niacin is very dangerous. And should only be administered by persons highly trained and competent in body chemistry and supplement chemistry.
My hypothesis on the cause of NAFLD is that it is at least party due to poor diet and emotional malnourishment.
Where the needs of emotional nourishment are substituted by food nourishment. Think emotional eating, comfort food and junk food. Especially in early childhood.
Incompetent or ignorant parenting. When baby is crying and needs emotional nourishment, and mother does not know what she is doing and or does not know what to do and comforts baby by giving some food that baby will like. From here on the brain adopts the program that when I need emotional nourishment and cannot get it, I will eat something that tastes good and makes me feel good.
Dio
Purification Rundown testimonial:
The Purification Rundown purified my wallet. My wallet has been cleaned out and is now empty, and we all know – and as Dear Leader David Miscavige teaches us – that:
empty = IDEAL
We know that the ideal orgs are ideal because they are empty. So now my wallet is ideal too!
“SPOT ON” visitor – you nailed it.
I did the Purif and it not only cleaned out my bank account – but it cleaned out my IRA Account, Stock portfolio and inheritance, it really cleaned out my family, friends and associates who were not “waxing enthusiasm” towards the cult of Scientology.
My “Scientological havingness” went through the roof – I could have lots of LRH books, lectures, promo, Org phone calls, Org e-mails etc.
Excelent!!
What about someone leaking this promo and any others stating similar claims and include a success story or two as an example of how the public is being duped into thinking about it, to some medical authority to get an investigation going?
And look very carefuly at the rules for selling vitamins in huge doses in the country. In France members of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology got convicted of illegal practice of pharmacy (in this case selling pills of such high vitamin dosis that they should only have been available by prescription).
http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2009/10/26-saumon-for-pharmacists.html