While the meaningless hype has hit the airwaves about the stupendous, amazing, incredible feats of the most important, dauntless, defiant, deviant force for planetary salivation ever in the history of everness — We Are The IAS, hip hip hooray for ourselves — there is something else that landed in my inbox that is far more interesting.
Pasadena has been the poster child for asserting the instant straight up and vertical expansion that follows the ribbon crashing down on the assembled staff and hired extras of an Ideal Org “grand opening.” From Craig and Sally Jensen to Tim and Rona Bowles, some big time brown-nosers have taken to the airwaves to tout the wonders of Ideal Orgism to the rest of the world. Pasadena is a model of how an Ideally Org takes off in a straight up and vertical spurt. One of our Special Correspondents reported on the existing scene after observing the org preparing for one of their Gold photoshoots.
Now we have a new email that details the actual stats of completions on the Golden Age of Knowledge and the Basics.
Don’t forget, since 2007 the Basics have been “the thing” in all orgs and missions. It is what everyone has been pushed on. And in the last 6 months the heat has been turned up in preparation for GAG II as the Basics are a prerequisite to practically everything these days.
While there is a lot more detail in here, this one sentence captures the whole picture:
The Pasadena Organization has a total of 55 Basics book and lecture lineup completions, and one full GAK lineup (Basics, Congresses, and ACCs) completion.
After 6 YEARS.
According to this, 37% of the OTC have completed their book and lecture lineup. Applying that percentage to the total completions means they have a grand total of 160 public. But to be fair, the OTC are probably more on the ball than the general public, so let’s say the general population of Pasadena public is only half as compliant as the OTC members which would then bring the total public in Pasadena to 320. So, being really fair, the total number of public for Pasadena org is less than 500.
And “COB” keeps saying the expansion in the last 5 years is more than the 50 years previous combined? With a straight face….
This is one of THE most hyped “Idle Orgs” — you hear NOTHING about Las Vegas or Malmo or Denver or Rome or Tel Aviv or Brussels, or, or…. And its right in the heart of Scientology’s stronghold. And after 6 years they have less than 500 public and ONE completion on the “full line-up” (not even any STAFF….)
Proof positive that the Ideal Org program is a lie from start to finish.
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013
From: “Aster, Robert W (312E)” <robert.w.aster@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Pasadena OT Committee
Subject: [OTC-Mail] Pasadena OTC Golden Age of Knowledge progress report from Sept thru NovI’ve written a quarterly progress report on Golden Age of Knowledge course starts, completions, and lineup completions. This was based on the data that I’ve received from you since August, plus data available from the Pasadena Organization. Very well done to all of you who have completed courses in the last few months.
Here is the summary of the report for September through November, weekending on November 28:
The Pasadena OTC has conducted a steady campaign of contacting Pasadena public through emails, letters, and direct contacts. This has contributed to 122 GAK course completions at Pasadena (up from 103 in the last report) and 107 of these were basics courses (up from 74). The Pasadena Organization has a total of 55 Basics book and lecture lineup completions, and one full GAK lineup (Basics, Congresses, and ACCs) completion. Sixty five percent of the OTC have completed all Basics book courses (up from 62%). Thirty seven percent of the OTC have completed the full Basics book and lecture lineup.
Here is the data that I have on your individual starts and completions, from September 1 to November 28. Special kudos go to Jan Brennecke (completing 3 courses); to Maggie Reinhart (completed PDC); and to Kori Curry, Dot Harvey, George Jonic, Jim Owen, Joel Phillips, Ann Thomas and Caroline Veach (for completing ACC courses).
I know these people have started or completed these GAK courses:
Alexandre, Peter
Completed: Command of ThetaBadger, Trissie
Started: Dianetics 55! book and lecture courseBezazian, Harold
Completed: Advanced Procedure and Axioms book course
Started: Handbook for PCs book courseBohte, Jodie
Completed: The Factors book and lecture course
Started: Creation of Human AbilityBoito, Charles
Completed: The Dianetics lectures courseBoito, Diane
Completed: Dianetics 55! book course
Started: Fundamentals of Thought book courseBrennecke, Jan
Completed: Hubbard Clearing Scientologist Course; State of Man Congress;1st International Congress of Dianeticists and Scientologists
Started: State of Man Congress; 1st International Congress of Dianeticists and Scientologists; Lindsey Theater LecturesBurke, Kevin
Completed: Source of Life Energy course (the lectures for the 8-80 course)
Started: Command of Theta courseCole, Lucy
Completed: Route to Infinity course
Started: Technique 88 courseCole, Rosser
Completed: Route to Infinity course
Started: Technique 88 courseCurry, Scott
Completed Handbook for PCs book courseCurry, Kori
Completed: Scientology, the New Slant on Life course, 1st American ACC course
Started: Scientology, the New Slant on Life courseD’Arezzo, Cheryl
Completed: Problems of Work course, History of Man book and lecture course
Started: Scientology the New Slant on Life courseD’Arezzo, Shannon
Started: Original ThesisDuran, Mary
Started: Problems of WorkFairman, Eva
Completed: History of Man book and lecture course; 8-80 book and lecture course
Started: Scientology 8-80 book and lecture course; PDCFerman, Randy
Completed: History of Man book and lecture courseFerman, Sandy
Completed: Milestone One; Route to Infinity courses
Started: Route to Infinity; History of Man book and lecture courseFlanagan, Bob
Completed Milestone One; Route to Infinity courses
Started: Route to Infinity; Source of Life Energy (the lecture part of 8-80)Hansen, Maxine
Completed: London Congress on Nuclear Radiation
Started: Freedom CongressHarvey, Dot
Completed: 1st American ACCHeldt, Henning
Completed: Dianetics 55 book and lecture course
Started Fundamentals of Thought book and lecture courseHeldt, Mary
Completed: Dianetics 55 course; Unification Congress course
Started: Unification Congress course; Fundamentals of ThoughtImhoff, Gary
Completed: Creation of Human Ability book and lecture course; Dianetics 55! Book and lecture course
Started: Dianetics 55! Book and lecture course; Fundamentals of ThoughtJonic, George
Completed: 18th American ACC; 19th American ACC
Started: 19th American ACC; 20th American ACCLantz, Pearl
Started: Creation of Human Ability book and lecture courseLaverdiere, Karen
Completed: Source of Life Energy (the lecture part of 8-80)
Started: Command of Theta courseOwen, Jim
Completed: 2nd American ACC
Started: Western CongressPhillips, Joel
Completed: 2nd American ACCReinhart, Maggie
Completed: PDC book and lecture course
Started: The Factors book and lecture courseReinhart, Ron
Completed: Dianetics 55! and Fundamentals of Thought book courses
Started: Fundamentals of Thought book course; 8-80 book and lecture courseSchwalbe, Cheryl
Completed: Melbourne Congress
Started: Anatomy of the Human Mind CongressSchwalbe, Wayne
Completed: Scientology 8-8008 book courseSokoloff, Annie
Completed: Dianetics lectures
Started: Science of Survival lecturesThomas, Ann
Completed: 5th American ACC
Started: 6th American ACCVeach, Caroline
Completed: 1st American ACCPeople who are close to completing the full Basics book and lecture lineup:
Name Courses that need to be completed
Henning Heldt FOT
Mary Heldt FOT
Gary Imhoff FOT
Bonita Wilson Dn55, FOT
Trissie Badger Dn55, FOT
Neal Sobol COHA, Dn55, FOT
Pearl Lantz COHA, Dn55, FOT
Jodie Bohte COHA, Dn55, FOT
Yael Lir Factors, COHA, Dn55, FOT
Tim Bowles Factors, COHA, Dn55, FOT“Scientology is knowledge.” (LRH, “The Road to Truth” lecture).
Do the next course in your lineup.
ML, Bob Aster
Pasadena OTC
Jane Doe,
The Perkins tragedy refers to the Jeremy Perkins murder of his mother, Ellie Perkins in Amherst NY (suburb of Buffalo) on March 13, 2003. Ellie Perkins was a class VI auditior and OTVII. She was an auditor at the Buffalo org. You can easily read about this online.
Jeremy has since been committed to the Rochester Psychiatric Center, Rochester Regional Forensic Unit in Rochester, NY. He was found guilty of the murder by mental defect (psychosis, chronic and dangerous).
Thank you for fililng me in, Pepper. Was Jeremy related to Mark Perkins or Betsy Perkins, Mark’s wife? I remember her telling me some years back that they had to petition to do the Bridge because of his brother being an SP. Do you know if that brother is the Jeremy in the news about killing his mom?
) My theory (and its way out there but I don’t care) is that there was no designated title for the head of RTC which is made up of a board, so He created the title Chairman of the Board getting the idea from Frank Sinatra’s nickname, and with both of them having very blue eyes, which gave Sinatra another nickname, Ole Blue Eyes. OK, itsa stretch, but its my theory, and I’m sticking to it :).
But its obvious, to me that the Dwarf is very proud of his own ole blue eyes. Look at all those sets at the int events – the backgrounds to him standing there are always the same dela robia blue. He’s very into that color. (Not to be patronizing if you already know this, but just for the sake of no MUs, “dela robia” means, “of the robe” and refers to the shade of blue that the Renaissance painters used in painting the Madonna’s clothing.)
What’s funny now about David Miscavige being “COB” is that there is no more board for him to be chairman of.
🙂 when I suggested to use SOB instead of COB I was more thinking of ‘Son ofa b…” 🙂
which I believe would be a valid and descriptive title. I would love to create the meme that everybody back in his mind thinks of SOB when he hears COB – and imagine this would even get into the back of the mind of churchies.
Oh yes, and an apology to all those female dogs.
The “Head of RTC” was titled, on the actual Org Board, Inspector General.
That’s right! So “COB” was a gratuitous add-on to His correct org board title. Thanks llbye.
OMG! This is for a ClV Org in the LA area. I recognize WELL >50% of those names. AND, I haven’t been on lines in the Pac area since ~1988. 25 years and most of the names are the same…
Now for something completely different…
Why is this DM guy called COB?
Shouldn’t that be SOB?
Aquamarine, you have a very valid point. I think I may have confused WIS with someone else who had been nattering about the spiritual practice of Scientology in previous posts. After looking, I do not see other similar comments from WIS. So, if this is a person who was lashing out due to the grief of losing a loved one then I apologize for the harshness of my response. I have lost 2 loved ones cancer myself and I really DO understand. It is an awful, helpless experience to see someone who you love slip away in this manner. It is unfair.
That said, it is also still to lash out and denigrate a whole class of people who are not harming you simply because they have differently viewpoint than you do.
I see that this is likely the reason for WIS’s the comment and so I would like to repeat that I apologize for the harshness of my response and offer my forgiveness for the harshness which I perceived from WIS. My only wish is that if it is possible to do so that everyone who has had experience finds healing and peace.
Love, Espiritu
If you don’t mind, Espiritu, you (and Aqua) bring up some good points about losing people to cancer, etc. It reminds me that there is a point I’d like to address.
To make a long story short, I have a concern for all of us who are out and wanting to Keep Scientology Working out here, away from the Church. It can be stressful. We are taking on a big undertaking and there is/will be some suppression to confront.
We are basically building a new colony. WE may be it – the whole incubator for the tech to regenerate and grow to reach others around the world.
For whatever reason, cancer has infected the group of corporate Scientology inordinately, or so it seems.
It’s important, because we may be the last of those who know, that we each take our own responsibility for our body’s health so that we have these vessels for a good long time, to be able to do our work. Each of us has something to contribute to this. We are all valuable.
There are physical universe handlings that can help a lot of things. I’m sure that there are a lot of us here who have a lot of information and experience and might make a good MLO as far as natural healing and maintaining health. It is a position on the org board for a reason. I’m willing to share what I know.
Maybe someone can suggest a chat room that is not Mike’s main blog, where this can be discussed if people want to share ideas or if someone needs some help/direction.
Like it or not, we are the future. Each one of us should be treasured for who we are and honored for all we wish to contribute.
That’s what I had to say.
Indie8, I like your idea very much. Count me in but you’ll tell me what chat room and so forth. And in that OSA reads this blog I would want us to use different handles.
Espiritu, thank you for your honest communication and apology to WIS. Anyone who has lost a loved one to cancer will appreciate your sincerity, whether or not the acknowledgement is expressed in words. Truth and sincerity always communicate eventually.
Reciprocal, Aqua.
+1000
Thanks, Jane. 🙂
Most of those people are dedicated people who just want to help. It’s a travesty that people think they have to give their health and well being for the cause.
YOu said it, Indie, they think they have to give up their health, well being, 1st dynamic as well as having kids at all, and give up their 2nd D when they allow DM to split them up and send them to different orgs or missions, etc. Ron had a family and spent time with them and he ate well and exercised. So where did the SO get the idea they had to do opposite of that to show how “command intention” they are?
Good point, Jane, that Ron took care of himself and his family. He actually said, “I never meant for the Sea Org to cut across a person’s second dynamic.”
Proof, once again, that command intention is NOT LRH intention – and as a matter of fact it is INVERTED LRH intention. Wouldn’t that be categorized as Suppressive? (listen up, lurkers. If you are a stanch LRH supporter, why are you supporting someone who is diametrically opposed to LRH’s intention? You don’t have to do a public disavowal, but why give your energy to a group headed by a suppressive?)
This is a bit misleading.
The Sea Org most certainly DID cut across people’s second dynamic, when he was Commodore, not just after.
And his own family is not something to look to as a model of familial life. Put aside His eldest children, Nibs and Katie, both disowned.
His wife disowned in the end.
Quinten dead. Arthur and Suzette left the Sea Org.
Only Diana remains and she is a broken shell.
Mike, Thank you for putting these facts about Ron’s family life together for us. Some of it I knew, most of it not. What about Aurther and Suzette who left the SO? Have either spoken out in interviews? What do they say about the church or Ron now? And is Diana in the Hole?
indie8million: “Proof, once again, that command intention is NOT LRH intention – and as a matter of fact it is INVERTED LRH intention. Wouldn’t that be categorized as Suppressive? (listen up, lurkers. If you are a stanch LRH supporter, why are you supporting someone who is diametrically opposed to LRH’s intention? You don’t have to do a public disavowal, but why give your energy to a group headed by a suppressive?)”
Because that would be admitting that the tech itself is flawed – i.e. how could an SP be in charge of people that knew all about SP’s? But the tech is not only flawed, Ron Hubbard himself has integrated mind control straight into the core of Scientology practice.
Overt -> Withhold -> Motivator/Justification Sequence is not real. It is a mind control “implant.”
People normally do not justify their real overt acts, they feel guilty about them and can spend years, if not lifetimes trying to reconcile them within their soul. “Justification” usually happens when someone was made wrong where wrong was not intended. The concept of “justification” in Scientology is also used as a mind control technique to overwrite individual’s evaluations and enforce some external considerations of what “over acts” are. For example, normally someone would not think of doing research on the Internet and looking at information as an “overt act,” but having been indoctrinated at Scientology Church, the idea of it being an overt act is enforced and any individual’s evaluations to the contrary are overwritten with the concept of “justification” even by the individual oneself.
Also, people may naturally punish themselves for things they feel guilty about, they do not “pull in” motivators to justify “the overt.” The concept of a “motivator” is used to invalidate the reality of committing crimes against the indoctrinated. It is the ultimate tool for practically any abusive personality – to blame the victim for having caused or in some way deserved their own abuse. In Scientology this has been significantly perfected and sold to the public by Ron Hubbard himself as some “spiritual betterment technology” including selling outright KGB style interrogations and collection of black mail materials as if it was for “spiritual betterment.” (i.e. Sec Checks).
Wake up Indies! There is indeed a lot of good and valuable in Ron’s work, but Scientology will NEVER work unless Scientologists begin to realize that HUBBARD himself operated on some ulterior motives with respect to his followers, and begin to QUESTION some of the basic assumptions in his work.
Good point Indie8million. I would like to see real scngsts taking good care of their first dynamics in whatever way indicates to them. The living dead staff that I saw at flag were a disgrace and I’ve heard plenty of people bragging about how little sleep they got over the years. The “greatest good” equation is so grossly misunderstood with the “martyr for the cause” service fac. They remind me of the alcoholic who thinks it’s ok to drive after 8 shots. For me, this is a major why in the demise of the rcs, a degraded first dynamic leads way to a degraded second dynamic and guess what you get after that? A very degraded 3rd called the c of $.
WOW, ” Degraded first dynamic” reminds me of a story from my RPF days: Once we – the second lowest rung of man-kind – were called to handle bed bugs in the complex (the big blue in LA) because there were reports of those critters. Armed with mostly flashlights and a lot of intention we were let loose on the birthing quarters of the creme-de-la-creme of mankind. Ripping apart bunks and a innards of some of the rooms of couples on the forth floor in search for unwanted life. I personally did not find any critters hidden in the seams of mattresses but I witnessed a miracle – a true miracle… how it was possible that these sea org members, mostly clean and neat outside of their quarters could have emerged from conditions we found in those quarters.Would I have seen bums crawling out of those sh*tholes, I would have nodded understandingly, but seeing those blue and white uniformed crusaders outside their quarters was better than a simple miracle.
How was it possible to have a ‘degraded first dynamic’ and – at least on the surface – reasonable third one?
+100 So true, so true.
Lovely Espiritu, thank you.
I know the building the Pas org is in quite well. There used to be a little theater company that performed downstairs and there were a number of boutique book and curio vendors at street level. There was an Italian restaurant there for a while that I liked. I often just passed through the street level corridor walking between the parking structure and elsewhere. Really nice building with nice memories.
After the takeover it was nearly vacant for what seemed like years with historical prints blocking the windows. One evening during that period I was having dinner on the patio at Lucky Baldwins pub, immediately adjacent to one of the entryways. The entire time some kid (early 20s maybe) stood in the alcove with a bicycle. Security I guess.
When it first opened I saw some personality tests and stuff on Colorado Blvd. a short walk away – but otherwise very little visibility.
The only Org I have ever walked into was the old Pas org closer to PCC, and that was in 1999 or so. I pretended to be clueless while some woman told me about their stuff in an unconvincing manner and some smirking 20 year old in what I guess was a SO uniformed walked past a couple of times. There was the LRH office, books and I guess course packs on a shelf, and the org chart. After 5 minutes I got out. Miserable place.
What they’ve done to that nice old building where the Idle org is is a disgrace. At least the old one was along a seedy old strip in a not nice part of town.
Mike,
Thank you so much. That cleared it up for me and I can see how this could be, with Tampa so close to Flag, “COB’s org”. Then the ball got rolling, so to speak.
For quite a while, I’ve considered DM to be caught up in the whole Hollywood glamour-life and living vicariously through Tom Cruise especially. Even when I was still in the church, I had this idea.
As far as the plan to gain religious recognition in Spain, I guess it worked because in 2007, the CoS became recognized there. Too bad!
Mike,
Thank you for your response regarding the Buffalo org’s development into “ideal” (eminent domain). If you say the timing of the Perkins trajedy and the opening of the ideal org is coincidental, I believe you.
My cynicism towards the CoS colors my opinions sometimes.
I spend time in the city of Buffalo occasionally and am familiar with the rehab the city has done in the Allentown area and Chippewa Street, which was a red light district back in the day. I know the city offered money to the church to take over the property, which was considered a blighted area.
My question is really this: How did Miscavige get the ‘idea’ for the whole “Ideal Org” program? What is the actual genesis of this? What LRH has written about the subject and the execution of Miscavige’s plans are planets apart. This may sound like a dumb question but I keep wondering if the City of Buffalo’s financial offer to the org planted the seed in Miscavige’s mind. We all know about the greed, the money, etc. but how did he get the idea for this?
This is missing data for me and I’m sure for others newly leaving the church. I would like to know the truth of it, not the propaganda.
Pepper — a number of people have commented here about the influence of Tom Cruise on the “Ideal Org” program and they are correct. It was a perfect storm of several factors. Tom Cruise wanting places he could take his “VIP” friends and the three first “Ideal Orgs” each of which had a specific story. Buffalo with the eminent domain action. Joburg — HAD to move from downtown Joburg as the violence had gotten too much and people would NOT go to the org. Tampa was a shithole in a strip mall and Miscavige was spending a lot of time at Flag because of the McPherson case. He couldnt have the “local org” being a shithole when he was around. I think it was Tampa that really got the idea of “donations” going as Miscavige told Angie Blankenship and Jenny Linson to round up the Flag public and hold THEM responsible for Tampa Org, “shit rolls downhill” style. If Miscavige didnt want HIS closest org to be a shithole they shouldnt either. The heat went on to BOTH join staff and give money.
In the meantime, Miscavige had become convinced that he knew how to make everything work — just shoot a bunch of videos to show to new people. And the FART Div 6 was born. So, the earliest version of this was implemented with Buffalo, Joburg and Tampa.
It was no coincidence that NY (where Cruise had an apartment) and Madrid (where his girlfriend at the time, Penelope Cruz came from) were next (along with SFO). There was another reason for Madrid which was that Miscavige had determined he would gain religious recognition for Scientology in Spain — personally. So, this was part of that effort too — somewhere that could be used to “tour” government officials in Spain to convince them that Scientology was more than a cult.
There are a lot of other factors, but this is the short version.
So illuminating, Mike. Wow. All of this suppression of people’s finances, primarily because DM wanted to impress his BFF? Distressing.
And, all the while, with his millions, did Tom lift one F’ing finger to help support these ideal orgs being built? The ones which were built for ‘his’ selectees? Seems incredibly unfair to me – similar to the idea of taking pay out of SO member’s pay packet to buy expensive gifts for DM, when the guy could pay out all of the SO guys’ pay for a year, just out of his personal holdings.
This place is looking more and more like the government every year. Makes my stomach hurt.
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PERSONAL NOTE TO YOU, MIKE: This is a survey of one.
I really like it when you comment on the inside workings of the whys and the wherefores of how things worked behind the scenes. Anyone’s TA goes down when they see the right why – and you are in a perfect position to know.
Maybe that’s what your book should be about, eh? 😉
“Making Sense out of Nonsense.” by Mike Rinder
Pepper and Mike, What is “the Perkins tragedy?” I knew some Scn’s with the last name Perkins. What happened|?
Kat,
Exactly. I know or recognized at least 75-80% of the names on the list as either long time Scns or the children of. As far as the second gen scns, only a couple are young people. The rest are primarily middle-aged or are rapidly approaching seniors now.
Where are all the new people? The Pas public are people who don’t want to drive into Hollywood to PAC Base. Pasadena org is much easier to get to than driving through Los Feliz with its hellish traffic in the morning/afternoon.
Jesus, how the mighty have fallen. I worked as an auditor in the Pasadena Mission (not org, mission) in 1975 and 76 while on the SHSBC auditing afternoons and weekends and that mission was many times larger than the current Ideal Org. Carl Barney’s missions were thriving operations back in the day. Today . . . (cue lonely wind) . . .
2014….the year everything changes for COB, but not the way he would like it I bet.
Just got a wild feeling.
Espiritu, I hear you and agree with you.
That said, I’m going to go way out on a limb here and opine that the remarks you object to were not made by a troll intending to stir up trouble on this blog but by someone who lost a loved one and/or a beloved child to cancer.
To me this person’s words communicate grief and pain over a huge loss, and a lashing out at what this person considers from his or her own viewpoint to be a huge generality as to the cause of cancer.
I wouldn’t take it personally if I were you.. Peace.
Very astute Aquamarine. The reaction of wrong indications. Peace +1.
Here is what the Church of Mi$cavology promised the City of Pasadena just 3 years ago:
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/general-news/20100719/scientologists-open-new-church-in-historic-pasadena-building
Compare this with the stats shown in Mike’s post today.
“200 to 300 daily church members and 173 staff” ???? Right.
Looks like they must have been “aiming high”.
And check out the estimated head count of the crown that showed up for the grand opening three years ago. If that estimate was true true, then it makes the head count for DM’s recent “Biggest event in the History of Scientology and the Universe” at Flag even more pathetic by comparison. Three years later he drew MAYBE twice that number with the whole world to draw on.
Rude? Uneducated? I have had a belly full or your overt and covert and overt insults and invalidation of L.Ron Hubbard and anyone who respects his work. You infer that anyone who admires the work of LRH is “uneducated” and not a “professional”.
Fact: There are and have been from it’s onset many college “educated professionals” with degrees from prestigious universities who find value in Scientology…..not that that would either confirm or negate the value of Scientology. But it happens to be true. So then, logically, this leaves a couple of possible explanations for the nature of most of your comments on this blog: You could be a troll attempting to stir up turmoil, or you could simply be a nasty, hateful bigot reactively spewing your venom. …..or are you trying to educate all of us poor little mis-guided Scientologists out of the kindness of your loving heart? Would you care to give an explanation for YOUR rudeness and describe your intentions and reasons for posting here?
I’m listening.
Who are you referring to?
I think Espiritu is referring to WIS
Any Org can be boomed by selling books (and the people then reading them and cogniting of course) and training auditors as LRH states in policy. Scientology public is not people who can watch a dumbed down video but who can read DMSMH. There are millions of them still – contrary to popular belief, or DM’s belief anyway (or is such intentional?). Main problem always however was SO “management” sending out missions which tore up and disestablished the Org based on always false evaluations and 3rd party character assassination of the staff being removed. Even top EDs and COs who had “seen this light” (and started taking steps to alleviate it by at least keeping the stats in normal or trying to, until they had built up an Org) could never last long enough to hold and build the form of the Org before some interfering a*hole from Flag Bureaux or FOLO removed them and their key staff and it all started from (worse than) scratch again. Complete neurosis and this is reflected in the downtrending stats worldwide from time immemorial. I also believe someone is earning nicely from the resultant “Basics Packages” book sales, which (Div. 6) stat as we can all see is covering the camouflaged hole of no auditors in training in Divs 4 and 5. Bad and aggressive and interfering Course Supervision is also a major obstacle to this – they are seemingly treating students as “enemies” to be pounced upon and castigated if they smile and look at the ceiling when cogniting at something LRH states. Ah! Well! One day we will sort it all out!
Perhaps it’s buried somewhere in the gibberish, but I can’t find anything in that “progress report” about the date range that the progress applies to. How do you know it’s since 2007? Don’t these jokers ever talk straight?
The Basics were released in 2007 and the concept of them being the most important thing for everyone to do was born at the event.
A couple of things: I knew Bob Aster when he was finishing the SHSBC at ASHOF in the mid-90s. Bright guy; worked at JPL. Still does, apparently. Mid Class VI internship, he went to Flag for a 6-month check that was going to take 1 week, took 6 weeks, then he got really ill and had to route off the internship and his pcs had to be reassigned. It was a real loss to ASHOF, his pcs, and to me personally. It’s good to see he’s up and around, but as GAT 1 had just come out, I suspect he never did SHSBC GAT-style and never finished Class VI.
The completions list (http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/r/robert-aster.html) says he finished OT VI, VII, and VIII, then coughed up a fortune for IAS statuses. In my mind, he was worth more the Scientology as a Class VI auditor. Sigh.
Second: Bob is passing on a guilt flow and information that should be in Pasadena’s org magazine. Does Pasadena even have an org magazine? I know of no “ideal org” that does. But that doesn’t mean they don’t; just means I don’t know of one.
Is anyone getting org mags from an Ideal Org? Odds are they can’t afford a mailing…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiKvXKon5ko#t=191
Laugh Alert:
I am getting caught up over at Tony’s but had to skip back here for a sec.
Commenting on the topic of the two Mike’s Shelly caper, “Sherbet” came up with “Apostate Air”, and right afterwards another Bunkerite came up with a slogan: “Apostate Air: We Fly On The Fringe”.
Priceless! I don’t post over there so I’ll ack it here.
I’m thinking tee shirts 🙂
“Apostate Air Lines”. OMG, the possibilities are endless.
I’m back from the Bunker again. From Missionary Kid: : “Fly The Fringeless Skys”.
Can you stand it?
And now for my own: “Frequent Fringe Miles” which Mike & Mike have certainly already earned.
The coffee is always bitter, but the stewardesses are defrocked.
Ha Ha! Yes, all stewardesses defrocked but never bitter! OMG, MIke, stop me or I’ll go on forever with this!
(finger wagging) Robert! You are so out-2D (how’s that for a restimulating eval? Sheesh.)
Be careful though. The way people are leaving the place, she might be defrocked by the time you get there.
Uh..as the ex Tech Sec of Pasadena Org when the Basic BS came out in 2007, I can tell you that there was no way 500 public at Pas. The only real public onlines were the Jensens’ OT committee under the duress of being ” CI”. Pathetic. We had maybe 8-10 others on course in the eve and maybe another 15 thruout the day. And my HGC had maybe 2-5 PCs if you count the purif. The whole insane Basics evolution was purely to make it seem like there was a ” never before seen ” expansion happening. The only reason Pas still exists is because of the OT committee and such gems as the Jensens, the Bowles,the Wilson’s and the Carroll gangl holding it together paying the bills out of pocket.
Good to see you comment here, Sherry. Thank you!
Nice to see Tory’s ex, Harold Bezazian, is making progress on these basic courses again. Here he is in 1999 on one of my videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdNSNmBkQ-I
As Tory’s husband, Asssshoooooooole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdrP0FWXfZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdrP0FWXfZ8
You’re welcome, Tory. 😉
But so is that other guy. haha. If Tory said you’re obnoxious, wear it.
He’s using his work e-mail for this shit?
Heey David, we (Anons) are not backing down, how about you ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHH8bfPhusM
I am also from the days of comm-course finished on a big win in co-audit. Then the HQS and hanging out with buddies and talking about the stuff we just experienced. Downside was that I R-broke my new girl friend with the statement “Today I left my body!” but she eventually got over it and she eventually became a scientologist (still feeling guilty as she is still in the SO while I am luckily out for nearly thirty year.
What is most surprising about this report is the low level of understanding that must be there with these old timers. We at that time bought the book, read and understand it. We did not need no stinking course to understand the material.
One name I recognized in the report was Sandy Ferman. I knew here when she was #2 at Delphi Academy LA. I liked her a lot and was surprised when she suddenly disappeared under mysterious circumstances. I met with her once before she knew that I was a senior SP and it was clear that she was lying about those circumstances. I can only imagine that she missed her chance to get out at that time of falling out of favor and now she has to work herself up through the ranks – poor girl!
Sandy Ferman was fired from Delphi because she was involved in financial irregularities. She, Maggie Reinhard and some others had cooked the books quite nicely. And when the whole mess came out Sandy was fired and Maggie put on a liability project. The school never recovered, the last I heard under 100 students. To secure her good standing she is playing Facebook police for OSA. Great personality :-).
Since she was so proficient in cooking the books, she changed into a business as consultant for debt consolidation. It is like hiring a bunny as a gardener to raise veggies. 🙂
For the rest of the names in the email, just the same old Kool-Aid drinkers and rejects that are in Scientology since 20++ years redoing their bridge. Not a single new name. After years of evaporating field, these are the leftover guys who just cannot confront what is going on.
Many of them are OT VIII like Bonita Wilson who is a nice girl, but with David Wilson as husband you better shut up and take cover behind the Basics.
100 students left, huh? What a pity for that nice campus. So I guess the gym never manifested 🙂
This school taught me a great lesson on integrity as defined by Mr. Hubbard. I had started something with the CofS to give them a chance to revert my SP declare. Not that I wanted anything much to do with them but I wanted to get out of that withhold of being a bonafied SP with an honor student at Dephi and publicly honored for my contributions to the school – and a secret SP declare.
So I collected rave reviews about me from all the high ranking OTs I knew and who knew me – and submitted them to my comm-ev. The only effect of those was that it made clear that I was an SP because I had communicated with church members in good standing. And all those OTs that gave me rave reviews then decided that they could not talk to me any more after I came out of the SP closet, showing their high level of integrity 🙂
And one more encouraging thing I learned – admin in the church is totally out (as well as tech.) How could they otherwise not know their SPs? Sandy in later reports told that she actually checked with the MAA at Flag about me and nothing came up.
About Bonita Wilson – I think this is the most difficult part of getting out when you are married – both have to see the light at the same time, otherwise it might be too difficult to give up both you friends and your family.
One example of where they both managed but unfortunately not at the same time were the Domingos, another pair of parents from Delphi.
If there is anything that perfectly describes David Miscavage, it is this:
6. The antisocial personality habitually selects the wrong target.
If a tire is flat from driving over nails, he or she curses a companion or a noncausative source of the trouble. If the radio next door is too loud, he or she kicks the cat.
If A is the obvious cause, the antisocial personality inevitably blames B or C or D.
7. The antisocial cannot finish a cycle of action. Any action goes through a sequence wherein the action is begun, is continued for as long as is required and is completed as planned. In Scientology, this is called a cycle of action.
The antisocial becomes surrounded with incomplete projects.
Contrary to the claims of some bitter defrocked apostates on the fringe of the internet, after TC told COB that the orgs were not up to his VIP friends standards, COB researched thoroughly the architectural styles of the orgs in order to make the orgs suitable to TC’s VIP friends.
During the research, while reading the research done by Princess Marie Bonaparte – the grandniece of Napoleon Bonaparte -, COB had his eureka moment and he found the Why the orgs were not suitable to TC’s VIP friends: they didn’t have the ideal C-V distance.
Unfortunately, the ideal orgs are now suitable for TC’s VIP friends, but they are not attracting new public.
I can envision AnonBabu with a protest sign saying
“do you see expansion?
where is the expansion?
show me the expansion!”
File clerk take me back to green books, the smell of the mimeograph, fighting with ethics officers, getting thrown out several times, coming back. To the errant and ignorant teen years later perplexed that these old people would buy into the current scam.
Remember when after the Comm course you did the HQS and immediately got involved in co-auditing? And nobody told you not to talk about things and so everybody was excited and shared experiences during lunch or afterwards, etc. and was amazed about things he had recalled when doing the SA lists. And you could openly swear over that damn ashtray which just would not get up on its own no matter how much intention you plastered all over it and into it. Now that was good fun, and soon enough you did the HSDC and read the bulletin about “past lives” and did more co-auditing, after Life Repair had been such a success. Gee the poor folks today. No fun and sure enough very soon no money either. – Getting some friend to come in was as easy as “I think I lived before”, and you could bring him in and people were friendly and the place just a pleasure to be at. And the reg was your friend. – Sad thing to read what it is like today.
I am here to talk to you on that, I am available and will listen to you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFSvzWuwuZ8
Oh ya! Totally remember all that. And, we did it in a windowless basement, 6×10 room, card table and folding chairs. :). THAT was ideal.
I have a friend still “IN” and goes to the Pasedena Org…and there is no way there are 500 members going there…she has revealed that there is hardly the members they used to have or anyone coming in anymore…does not understand it…and as far as new public…NADA! ZERO! ZIP!!
She thought the reason it was that GAT II was offered at Flag so everyone must be going to Dangerous Waters/ Fraud scam base. Pasedena whall really task off once they get the few staff members trained and hatted on GAT II and then their Org shall Boom…how sad that she keeps buying the bullshit from Slapppy McSlappige!
I can’t wait to hear from her after a while – how nothing has changed and then maybe she will leave!!
Poor unfortunate soul! She is so hoping this will do it…she is waiting for her Super Power too…but so far has not heard when she can purchase it and then told to WAIT…
I think David Miscavige is out of things to $ell now…should be a total collapse soon!!
I think she will need to crank out a couple hundred hours of objectives, redo her purif and student hat, retrain on GAG II and suck up a couple of those new meters before she can advance to achieve her super powers ……….. just sayin’ it’s all in the preps.
Yeah, the preps are everything!
1. The Pasadena Ideal Org was purchased for $10 million and another $ 6 million was spent on renovating the place.
2. $16,000,000 divided by 55 Basics book and lecture lineup completions =
$209,909 per Basics book completion. Lets round it up to $210,000 per person.
In other words, Pasadena Area Scientologists had to subsidize Miscavige’s launch of the Basics at $210,000 per person.
This waste of money is staggering to contemplate.
Jeff, it’s actually worse than you think. Yes, the parishioners ponied up $10,000,000 for purchasing the building in 2006, I believe, after fundraising for 4 years. Oh, and they bought out the leases of all the tenants for another $1,500,000 so the renos could start right away. However, management couldn’t ever get around to doing the space plans so the org sat vacant for 3 years while paying out 60K each year in property taxes. Meanwhile, the price for renos kept going up and the fundraisers continued. Ultimately, the total cost was close to $24,000,000. The Jensens paid a great deal of this, perhaps as much as 70%.
The renos funds also got used for some questionable purchases, like the VM tent and van used to haul it around. But hey, when it’s Other Peoples’ Money, who cares? Said nobody ever, except DM.
It is bizarre to see people having read a book, counted as SERVICE completions.
And the books now called “courses”. Someone more trained than I could write the difference. When someone used to do a “course”, they gained new skills and abilities that they could demonstrate, and these were along the purpose line of helping another human being. Ability was the key factor. The books have been around for 60+ years. The purpose of a course seems to be lost now, to page turning a book. Sure, it is important to read and learn. But a course has turned into a subjective adventure now in the Church. That is a 180 degree turn about.
That’s right, TOTO, 180deg. All that study will simply introvert you – it’s an inflow. All theory, no mass; all significance, no substance. This is Scientology for people who don’t do anything. An epic low gradient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4fy2N6pn7Y
‘Ee’s not daid….’ee’s SLEEPing….!!
I was laughing.
LOL! Hilarious and clever!
The Ideal Org program is based on Tom Cruise being
the model Scientologist. This is so not right. I have tried to
find an avenue for any Ideal Org to work and it can’t be done.
New people not coming online with high costs and very long
time to arrive at a product unless you are in the same tax bracket as Tom Cruise,
I don’t think so.
I almost want to meet the guy who did the entire lineup (if I didn’t get the creepy thousand yard stare). All that reading and listening, and all that money spent, and what does it amount to? Nothing, except a stat on someone else’s wall. And a lonely stat at that.
Yup, and even if you wanted to improve your own personal abilities you can’t, because you didn’t DO or practice anything. You just listened to a TON of lectures and read books. There is still no substitute for the actual grade chart auditor training (where you practiced like hell and actually DID the procedures) and the grades that match the training on up the chart. Why is that so difficult to follow??
Also, imagine a new public, with no StudentHat under his belt, trying to do all these “Basics” whatever…it does not match their R at all. So, no new public or eventually becoming a ‘blown student’ in addition to no auditors made. Poor show.
Exactly. Silvia. A new public with a few intro courses under his belt – STC, or one of those dumbed-down Div 6 things about “motivation” or “self confidence”, comes off these with some wins and goes onto the Basics, with the PDCs, RTI, Milestone One, all that space operal – Jesus! And with no Study Tech. Shudder-worthy.
Right, Aqua. And DM was bragging at the event that they took all references about Solo Auditing, quad ruds, whatever whatever that was in the BC as auditor training out of the Student Hat lectures because it was, “Out Gradient.”
And then they threw ’em on the basics? What?
I always thought that making people study the basics was an enforced item. In my long career, if I ever needed some reference to help me solve a problem, I’d go to the subject indexes and find my problem (maybes, inval, comm cycle, whatever) and read whatever LRH said about those things.
I don’t need to read EVERYTHING, I need to use anything I choose to to solve life’s problems that I run into.
My first experience of buying a book went like this.
Receptionist says, “You could buy a book.” I say, “Really? Which one?” “Just find one that sparks your interest and read that one.” So I did. A History of Man. And that was the right choice for me.
So that was the “OT” way of getting through the LRH library. Have a need? Find the book. Read it.
Well, you and I are certainly on the same page, Indie8.
+100 +100
I find it odd that this guy is sending out a mailing list from his Jet Propulsion Laboratory email address (@jpl.nasa.gov). Is he trying to buy credibility? I’m not sure my employer would like me sending personal mailing lists from my work email.
As for Henning Heldt, wtf? He was GO, and IIRC, the “Church” said everybody involved in that fiasco was expelled. I guess not.
That’s exactly what I was thinking, he’s trying to buy credibility with the JPL.NASA.GOV email. Since that’s a government owned email that we the people own and he’s seen fit to probably abuse the email rules, I’m filing a FOIA request for his emails that deal with scientology. I’m also filing a complaint that an individual is using a government email to promote their religion.
+1
Yes, he is using a government email address to promote his personal religion. Not allowed for any personal purpose, much less a religious one.
I was on the OTC and we HAD to do the basics. Also was on VII and HAD to do OTC and the basics and and and… But we got points for doing the basics so we had a stat for the OTC. Other stats were harder to get…. So in summary the last ‘dedicated’, ignoring empty orgs, are the ones donating to the main remaining stats.
Mike,
The Organizational stats in general except for maybe GI (Gross GI that is before Corrected GI), Gross Books Sold (since every previous issue is burned because allegedly some “SP” edited it supposedly) and inches of Press (which used to be inches of *good* Press) have sucked since the release of GAT I.
Anyhoo…
You take a look at ASHO’s stats as represented in “The Auditor” mag and you’ll see they crashed date coincident to the release of the Golden Age of Tech and never recovered.
(The last time they had a Highest Ever of over 20 grads in one week was when Chris Montgomery was Fdn D of T who they quickly got rid of when she objected to GAT.)
Much of their stats now are for extension courses and the “Basics”.
Very few Academy or SHSBC completions.
Class VIII fagetaboutit!
A check of “Advance” reveals that there were maybe 1 or 2 VIII grads since GAT I.
Same at Flag according to “‘Source'” mag with the exception of lots of quickie grades “completions” and lots of activity on TRs and Objectives which is a quasi training action much like Therapeutic TRs or Solo 1&2.
This is sorta like “everybody do TRs” to get the Student Points up but only on a broader scale.
Lots of activity but no real actual production there. Since it takes whoever starts these courses forever to complete if they ever do with the exception of the Solo courses and the Pre OT levels including audited NOTs which they manage to push people through in record time so they picked clean of any finances doing their endless and forever “six months” checks while on “the level”.
(Funny even those who are fortunate to make it through this gauntlet and manage to get to VIII are told that they have to do it again because they supposedly did it wrong the first time and now they are being told not only to do NOTs again but the whole freakin’ Grade Chart including the Purif and Objectives because supposedly these “OTs” didn’t run those right either.
However I’m sure that they’ll get through whatever squirrelly version of the “Running Program” (though I doubt that the original name of the program will be promoted that much if at all) AKA “Cause Resurgence” which will probably be run again and again till they get it right according to some datum that was hidden in some CST vault somewhere that none of us who worked on the original pilot was ever privy to.
Then if they are not literally run into the ground or the top floor or whatever of that Implant Station AKA the “Super Power Building”. They’ll be able to move on to the new NASA LSD with the spinning chairs and the flashing screens version of “Super Power” which looks like some kind of R6 Implant according to the promo. At which point after being thoroughly implanted they’ll be told they’ll have to redo the Lower Levels again. Only they’ll be “faster” now and they’ll be back on the endless treadmill AKA Solo NOTs or OT VII in no time which I’m sure they’ll do quite willingly at this point 😉 )
Much like this “Basics” lineup which is mostly added and inapplicable data that nobody’s ever going to use unless they are going to be auditing or solo auditing the original OTs which have been mysteriously absent from the Grade Chart since early ’82.
(Seems the ghost of Mayo still pervades the current Organization since he was the one who originally removed them from the line up for whatever reason which some us suspect had something to do with the “five martini results” the IC was getting on the RV projects.)
To sum it up. Most of the current stats even those you’ve posted here Mike are false made up stats which show no actual production at all.
Even if every one of those OTC members at Pas (which interestingly includes members of the former USGO) did the “Basics” they would have accomplished nothing since they are not training on any particular level.
They’d be much like these Philosophy PHDs or Art Appreciation grads you see haunting boiler rooms because they have no real skills they can exchange.
Two things:
1) RV:”… they’ll be told they’ll have to redo the Lower Levels again. Only they’ll be “faster”…”
They’ll be told they’ll be faster then they’ll be told that since they’re OTs the surface charge will now be off and the meters won’t “read” on checking the questions, so all questions will be run to a full 3-swing ARCX FN. “You’ll have so much fun looking at what you’d say to Aunt Irma now that you’re OT…”
2) RV:”… some us suspect had something to do with the “five martini results” the IC was getting on the RV projects.”
Real RV projects and not just OT levels comps? Did that have anything to do with the Philadelphia Doctorate Course that was run as an OT-ability rehab course for a while?
I guess the confidentiality was still holding back then. Barring some Advance mag successes, I never heard, first hand, a “5 martini” story until a fellow TTC’er came back from early NOTs auditing. After that I could never look at the universe the same way.
“Real RV projects and not just OT levels comps?”
Right the one that Hal & Russ discusses in their book Mind Reach which was Scanate plus Gondola Wish, Grill Flame, Centerlane etc summarized here:
https://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/stargate.htm
Many of the files since released under Star Gate:
http://stargate.collection.free.fr/Elements/news.php3
Allegedly the name of the last project.
(though a psychic acquaintance of mine said he worked on a project called Far Sight sponsored by the Pentagon in ’02.)
“Did that have anything to do with the Philadelphia Doctorate Course that was run as an OT-ability rehab course for a while?”
I’m sure much of the technology is based on what is covered in the PDCs and other sources like the Phoenix Lectures also covered in the original OT levels.
Some even out of lower level tech.
For example Step 7 of the RV manual has the viewer do a Clay Rep of the target.
Here is the latest from Church PR Karin Pouw:
“This has been the greatest year of Scientology expansion ever!!! There are now Umpteen Thousand Scientology Orgs and Missions, and 18 Gazillion Scientologists (15 Gazillion if you don’t count defrocked apostates). And you can take that to the bank!!!!”
This is a little more accurate than her previous pronouncements.
Love the no-respect for anyone’s privacy.
The further you get away, the crazier and stupider it all looks.
Half the people on that list were True Believers in the 70’s and 80’s. That’s not expansion, it’s recycling!
Exactly what I was thinking. I was in in the mid 70s. I remember all these oldtimers. But, hey, they’re “bodies on the shop.” Can’t be all bad!
Old Surfer Dude, don’t you mean, “they are schills in the shop?”
Schills is more like it
I stand corrected!
A friend who lives in Pasadena was very apprehensive when the Idle Morgue was opened; they were already leery of the established Scientology presence in the city. They haven’t observed ANY activity when passing by the Morgue, and now I can send them proof Pasadena is safe from “expansion.”
Thank you for your amazing reporting. For shining a light on this insanity. We were all taken up by it. I am flabbergasted to see the truth. The king has no clothes. Literally. This is one of the most remarkable dramas to play out in our lifetime. I’m glued to 3 sites… yours, Tony’s and possiblyhelpfuladvice.com. The lies are so very huge that it’s difficult to see that someone could be lying THAT much. It’s fascinating. Again… thank you. You are history in the making.
“The king has no clothes. Literally”? That’s too much information. I will have trouble getting that image out of my head.
Pink elefant, pink elefant!
Deviant? Orgism? Spurt? Mike, this type of turgid literary libidinousness is exactly why you were in trouble all the time as the spokesman for the C of S.
Kant you understand that David Miscavge Kant allow this type of masturbatory musing? It only caters to those low toned individuals who have not been able to cum to their senses and sublimate the more base Second Dynamic urges of Eating and Sex in favor of higher creative urges like invention (of new technology) and aesthetics (beautiful buildings).
How can GAG II and the Ideal Orgism strategies ever reach a climax when people are constantly reminded of the Orders of Magnitude of impotence these programs represent?
Please refrain from using this type of J&D and sexual references in any future briefs.
YOU are funny, Scott! And you should be a Country songwriter with all of those plays on words! lol!
Off topic, Indie8million, but, do you know what happens when you play country-western music backwards? The guy doesn’t lose his job, his wife doesn’t leave him, his dog doesn’t die and he quits drinkin’.
hahaha, loved it Surfer Dude
I refuse to sublimate my base urges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Truthfully, I’m a little hung over……(Bday party gone wild)
Just as a note, many of those course completion names are ex-SO. Their OTC seems strewn with people whose professional and personal connections absolutely demand that they keep up appearances and enthusiastically support whatever DM says, lest they be perceived as “disaffected” and bring down the wrath of the very local PAC MAAs and OSA.
I think 500 public on lines in Pasadena is a VERY generous number given how empty the place is all the time per the observation reports. I’d like to see it, but I would be amazed if their BIS each week was more than 150 and many of those probably attending course one course period per week just to “make an appearance” or “help play the Birthday Game” or whatever other stat push justification they have.
Scientology is so dead in Pasadena. They are literally in the heart of one of the busiest downtown scenes in the western US and yet their inflow is almost non-existent – a grim testimony to the “effectiveness” of DM’s Div 6 video show.
Mike is absolutely right BTW in pointing out that Pasadena is representative of the scene in all Ideal Orgs. I have personal intel on other Ideal Orgs where the situation is exactly the same or worse.
What I am most curious from a business standpoint just how much longer these empty orgs can carry on the charade of success and keep their doors open. Hopefully, not too much longer. I would much rather see Scn carried on in the independent field (without all the disconnection and fair gaming that RCS seems so proud of).
Is it a safe assumption that at least half the people on this list are either still in because they’re afraid of getting disconnected from family or have just been in so long they don’t know anything else? I’m guessing that once your in for so long it gets easier to convince yourself that things will get better or go back to the good old days? I bet many are just doing the bare minimum they can get away with waiting for that better day thats never coming. Lets hope they wake up soon.
Hard to say what the actual percentages are right now of those who are “under the radar” because of the threat of disconnection versus True Believers whose cognitive dissonance keeps them from seeing the actual state of affairs.
But one thing is for certain: every day there are more and more people within the Scn bubble who are having realizations that things are not the way they should be and we all need to somehow, someway keep getting the message out there that RCS is only interested in their wallets, having given up on the actual goal of true spiritual freedom over a decade ago.
Leah Remini proved that disconnection can be beaten and you can get your whole family out and live to tell the tale. More need to follow her example. In my opinion, that is what is going to cripple and ruin DM faster than anything else going on right now.
I worked in “middle management” most of my Sea Org career.
In the Flag Bu, middle management, we had a double hat.
Org Flag Officer, where we were supposed to show up in the OFO room, which had quick access to the actual “Data Files” filing cabinets with the current traffic and cc’s of the traffic sent to the orgs.
Each OFO (Org Flag Officer) was assigned either an org, or several “small” orgs, or some of us were assigned a part, several divisions only, of the large Sea Org orgs.
I started off doing some small org, Winnipeg, in Canada. I loved OFO duty, personally, most Sea Org mid level management org people hated it, thought of it as a distraction, I thought it was useful in getting a few of life from the viewpoint of the hard working grunt staffers around the world, in all the orgs.
Only orgs have “OFOs”, not Missions.
Okay, then I graduated to being one of the two OFOs for AOSHEU and things got more interesting, since more staff, more politics going on inside AOSH EU, etc, etc.
Since I loved OFO so much, I’d get assigned to sometimes “pick up the traffic” that was being neglected by the other mid level management staff OFOs who were typically neglecting their daily 1 hour a day required OFO duties (which most grossly neglected doing).
Doing other people’s OFO duties, I thus learned a lot more about other orgs.
Okay, now the point.
I loved OFO duties, I loved the org staffs out there (I for years was the OEC/FEBC Course Sup at Clearwater Flag, and later I was again admin outer org course sup at the complex and HGB for a short time), I always liked helped org staff out there do their duties.
The point, from all my years of both training execs who came to Flag for management training, and from my years of doing OFO duties, and the repeating briefings that middle management staff get about the state of orgs, all through the years I was a part of middle management, which was 1977 through 1989, 12 years, thus, there was always a group of orgs called, or nicknamed the “small and failing orgs.”
always!
Nothing has changed. It is almost ALWAYS the bottom 1/4 to almost 1/2 of the orgs, are in the “small and failing” category, ALWAYS.
Today it is only edging to more and more orgs being chronically “small and failing” and none of the importing of staff to boost these opening Ideal Orgs into “stable” orgs, is helping.
I believe, like Shelly Corias stated about 7 years ago, when Shelly surfaced as a former RTC Dissem person and former Marketing Org Int Base person, she concluded that culturally it is impossible to sell Scientology to the degree that Scientology policy demands of the whole movement.
Scientology isn’t currently sellable, and this is a fact outside of Miscavige’s horrid job of bad management and abusive top leadership lack of buildup. (Miscavige is responsible for the lack of an effective Watchdog Committee and lack of an effective International Executive Strata, as LRH would clearly hold Miscavige responsible for the massive non existence and “Hole” status of the top leadership of the movement.)
But despite blaming it on Miscavige, I agree with Shelly, her views of trying to sell Scientology today, despite the western cultural knowledge of the abuses in official Scientology, is just an impossible sell.
The big tanking of Scientology is not due to Miscavige, although he if removed, and if people like Jeannie Sonnenfeld and John Danilovich were boosted up to WDC or Exec Strata, and if their hands were untied so they could make some massive reforms, then official Scientology could sensibly downsize, regroup, and reconsolidate the growing saner freezone and independent movement back into a looser and reformed Scientology movement, is roughly what I think would be doable if Miscavige were to vacate the premises, like it would be good if Miscavige blew, took some money with him, got caught, and then jailed.
And I forgot to add, I wish Randy Smith, former ED Pasa, would jump in and detail Pasa history that he knows.
I know, from my years of watching, and hoping, that Pasa has almost always been in the “small and failing” category, from a middle management viewpoint, that’s just the way it is, culturally, there’s no way to keep Pasa’s stats “rocketed” for more than a year at a time, there’s just not a way to get sufficient public in that area, to buy Scientology!
As a never-in I think that the official CoS has gone too far down the road to ruin to be able to reform itself. Too many people are gone now and its heading for an epic fail I think. Even if you replaced CoB tomorrow its already too late. However there is still a thriving independent movement of Scientology so Im not saying that Scientology itself is necessarily doomed more just the Corporate “official” church.
The main problem is that Scientology is hard coded to stay the same and never to be modified anything LRH provided. If the church was able to change and adapt itself for the modern world we are in now I think it could still be viable to new people. Its in desperate need of some reforms.That would appear 1 of the great thinks about being independent is your free to modify your views and possibly adapt new things while still being a practising Scientology.
I’ve never had an issue with Scientology itself. I believe very firmly that people should be able to practise or not practise any religion they want or believe anything they want as long as your not harming anyone else. We all know the corporate church does a lot of harm to a lot of people.You independents don’t!I believe there probably is some sort of god or higher power but I have no clue exactly howto define that and probably wont know until its time to “drop my body”.
PS sorry this is so long I just want everyone to know where I stand. I’m very interested in the subject of Scientology I guess I’m a watcher but I learn a lot from this blog especially and I like to be able to hear both sides of this topic. I apologize if I say something stupid or don’t understand something. Please bear with me. lol. 🙂
Thanks for your input ozybud! I am always interested to hear how non scios view this mess!!
Ozzybud – Great comment. Scn is about establishing independent thought for oneself, one’s own knowledge. I’m about as dyed-in-the-wool as one can get, I guess, but I take your viewpoint of Scn as a field of study not unlike medicine or physics. LRH set it up as a fast-track to arrive at higher levels of awareness, or more comprehensive and integrated understanding, but that understanding is always one’s own, by definition, and it is NOT about agreements. I’ve never had a problem with Scn. It is other Scns misunderstandings and misapplications that I have had problems with. – Carcha.
+1 I’ve come to understand that good results and benefits from Scn have to do with the intentions of the person applying it. I also think that ensuring, that what one is applying, aligns with the most basic Scn principles, is vital. It is clearly illogical to violate the creed, the axioms, the auditors code and other fundamentals, to get some stat up. My guiding point is getting to truth, to create as-isness and thus freedom . Scn has not other purpose.
Hallie Jane – Love your comments. The truth was always there, and still is, and always will be. The 1970’s Bridge works. – Carcha.
ozzybud, there are no clear directions as to what to reform to. Ron Hubbard left behind an authoritative structure with himself as an ultimate dictator at the top. Once Hubbard himself was out of the picture, someone else filled the spot of being a dictator within Hubbard’s organizational construct – in this case David Miscavige pretending to represent “The Founder” as it appears at the top of the org board. If Scientologists really wanted to succeed as an organized group, in a way they would have to dump the entire structure and reorganize into one that was simpler and more in line with the aims and the basic tenets of Scientology itself – i.e. one that is based on communication, understanding, and individual’s freedom…
Interesting stuff Chuck!
Odd
Yes to Joe Schmo above, and also there is Gary Imoff, star of the “Evolution of a Science” Div 6 film where he plays the injured football player. “It’s my LEGS…!!”
Poor Gary is still in the mix I guess…what…hoping for another role or two?
And I read “the wonders of the Ideal Orgasm”. Would’ve loved to know more about that…
Granted, there is nothing like paying for an Ideal Orgism to leave you feeling completely fked.
I’ll bet you’re even allowed a cigarette after a nice big sploorge.
According to the Miscarriage, real OTs don’t have orgasms, they are stuck in the straight up and verticalness of it all!
The point where being a pathological liar crosses into the realm of mental illness is when the pathological liar actually starts to believe there own lies. Its also when they’re the most dangerous. Sometimes It seems like if the official church just says the lies often enough they must then become true!
You are right. Good observation.
The single biggest consumer of COB bullshit is COB Himself. He believes He is right about everything and that all His utterances should be recorded, transcribed and “presto” this is now “Command Intention.” And anyone who says otherwise, or questions it in any way is a CI c**ksucker/SP. And all those SP’s are proof that He is doing such a wonderful job, otherwise why would so many people be “attacking” Him.,
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Miscavige has been the überführer for the COS since 1987 ( if not actually earlier). He has become used to ‘yespeople’ that have survived being near him. The Idle mOrgs projects can’t produce new scientologists, with the new meat cut off, the ‘church’ will wither on the vine. But it will take time, with all the cash and real estate, the empire has perhaps 2 billion dollars to run through before it dies. And no one will ever tell DM that the car is about to go over the cliff, no one brings bad news to the führer.
‘The single biggest consumer of COB bullshit is COB Himself. He believes He is right about everything and that all His utterances should be recorded, transcribed and “presto” this is now “Command Intention.” ‘
Miscabbage believes (incorrectly) that if he says something, anyone who hears it believes it and agrees with it. Thereby leaving himself as the “creator” of “agreement” and with this reinforced “reality” will accomplish miraculous things.
It only worked for Hitler for about 7 years, in a country where anyone who disagreed with Hitler would be given a kangaroo court and beheaded. (see the movie: Sophie Scholl (2005))
Sounds familiar.
Mike. You may have seen this already but I just ran across it. Very interesting similarities.
http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/a-new-cultural-revolution/
http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/a-new-cultural-revolution/
Ozzybud, perfectly duplicated! Right on the $!
Reading classes, book clubs. No auditor training mentioned.
How long will all this go on? Perhaps a long time if the war chest doesn’t get depleted and the whales don’t blow off.
I can’t help but think that this is possibly the future mock up, if you will, out of necessity, not choice:
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“A Christian Science Reading Room is a place operated as a public service by a Christian Science church in the community where that church exists. These “branches” of The Mother Church, The First Church of Christ, Scientist, in Boston, Massachusetts maintain these rooms as a place where one may study and contemplate the Bible and Christian Science literature in a quiet atmosphere, similar to a library. Literature and other items related to the study of Christian Science may be borrowed or purchased. There are approximately 2,000 Christian Science Reading Rooms worldwide.”
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I’m not excessively focused nor fixated on CO$ nor do I care what happens over there … all just entertainment to me. The indie scene is expanding like crazy here and where I direct my efforts to.
+1 – That has to be done concurrently. You go, Div IV! HCO is bringing order.
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Taiwan Ideal Org to open on 12/7 with Miscavige(?)
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taiwan-ideal-org-to-open-on-12-7-with-miscavige.115364/
I find it interesting that the iDeal org in Taiwan is in Kaoshing and not in Taipei, the capital of Taiwan. Wonder what gives with that?
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Great point! It’s nearly on the opposite end of the country!
I was just reading this on the “Professional Independent Scientologists” FB page. Interesting that the Indie org is already Ideal. So how can DM say his is the first?
“Trey Lotz
We’ve had a great couple of weeks here.
I did 79 hours of auditing, resulting in an L12,
three Original OT 7, and two 8-8008 Certainty Auditing
completions.
Novia has been the very capable ED of Hellen Chen’s
org in Taiwan for 12 years. This org has over 100 staff
and is the largest independent org in the world!”
Ain’t that nice?
Real estate is probably cheaper in Kaoshing.
Wow. Some of these folks have been around forever. These are not new public. Henning Heldt, the former USGO Guardian. He was traumatized and imprisoned. Still hanging around doing courses. Permanently hung up on step 3 of his liability formula . Waiting for an absolution that will never come from the organization that has no soul.
As I have reported here before, I was in DM’s presence when he was telling us (at the top of his voice) that Tom Cruise was the only Scientologist out there who was of comparable magnitude to COB and that he was working harder than anyone in the SO to drive people into the orgs. Yet the orgs TC was driving his fans into were “shit holes,” so the Ideal Org program was meant to remedy that. Mike is right, the Ideal Org program was a lie from the beginning. It is not based on Hubbard’s policies. It is not even a bright idea intended create more freed people. In my humble opinion is a solution to a personal problem of Miscavige’s. For years DM worked to get TC fully on board. And once he achieved that and TC got to work promoting Scientology, he had a new problem. His BFF Tom Cruise was not pleased with how these “shit holes” affected his own image. How could the biggest, richest, best-looking, most influential, grandest mega movie star ever in the history the world be telling his fans to flock into “shit holes?” I believe the Ideal Org program is a continuation of the Tom Cruise Program, and THAT is what Craig Jensen and others who are promoting Ideal Orgs don’t know. It is just DM’s solution to TC’s displeasure. He had to
keep TC on board, AND maintain the personal perks that go with that association. Such a vapid, revolting reason for pushing all of Scientology into that direction.
Church of the Vapid Celebrity (looks good but no substance)
Sounds like an appropriate definition of a ‘shithole’ to me.
I did not have that priviledge to be in The Presence when that famous yelling incident occurred, where some base staff were told how great “TC” was and what imbeciles the rest of us were, but that same story trickled down the command lines quickly and Ex Staff’s story is not an exaggeration. It’s almost exactly what I heard that “command intention” was (meaning DM’s intention) regarding creating “ideal orgs.” I remember something else too, which was the fact that the orgs should already have been awesome-looking so TC’s people could be all impressed when he brought them in. But since they aren’t we have to really buckle down and do it N-O-W!! Sooooooo much more important than experiencing the tech—maybe actually running an engram and seeing what that is all about.
This is probably the best “reason” I’ve heard to date, on why the RCS embarked on the Ideal Org program. To impress Tom Cruise! Well, considering the man who came up with the plan, David The Miscavige, this makes perfect sense. It’s far classier and more hygienic to “kiss ass” in a clean upstat environment, then in say, the backseat of a car. I get it now.
Odd
The Pasadena Org tried to recruit me .Which is Daphna Hernadez country.
This is like an invitation from Joesph Koney to come to the Congo to run his
Flagship torture camp. I quietly steered away from this. Didn’t take long for more of a why,
A long time OT 8 who was a big fundraiser called me and explained he was losing his home because of being financially over extended. Henning Heldt on Dianetic’s 55, well that’s proof that there is a GOD, anyone declared Morally bankrupt by a Federal Judge
deserves a cigar. I’m staying far away from this bunch because it’s what you don’t see
is what will get you, there is a bogeyman in the closet.
Jose, what is the story on Henning Heldt? Didn’t he used to run WISE at one time?
UUUH, Henning Heldt was US GO during SNOW WHITE.
He appeared before a Federal Judge who declared him Morally Bankrupt.
Thanks JOse. That was before my time which is why I didn’t know it. And now I U how it is that the young Nazi Youth in our church don’t know anything either — same thing… it was all before their time. wow. Good demo on myself.
Jose & Jane — Henning was Deputy Guardian USGO, which meant he ran that particular group and was neck-deep in Snow White. I knew him back in 1973. He was straight, up-tone and pretty standard back then. On the other hand, his wife Mary – let’s see, what was the name of the lady in the Wizard of Oz that had Dorothy’s house fall on her?
Odd
OK … several things pop out:
1. First, the names of those OTC folks at Pasadena include a lot of senior citizens who’ve been around Scientology since I was a pup. They’re a vintage crowd, with no visible new blood.
2. Second, those stats are really shitty, so expect that very soon it will become a high crime to report any actual Scientology stats, even internally. It is suppressive to discourage or dishearten Scientologists by letting them know that their CoS efforts have been for
A question for you, Mike. Certainly, this situation can’t go on forever. COB’s efforts are huffier and puffier than ever, but responses to his efforts are pitiful. People aren’t showing up for his extravaganzas. All the stats are down, including donations. The dwindling congregation is tapped out of everything.
What do you think the next year will bring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIJJMa3y0ek
Perfect!
Pain!…Love that kind of brevity.
LOL! Thanks, Mike.
JM
Great comment JM and of course, the perfect response. 🙂
LOL, love the fight interview segment you threw in Mike. And let’s not forget that since this crowd at the Pas Org on the stats they reported, are all old time Scns and I knew many are in their 60[s and 70[s and older, what happens when they start dying off? And stats on OT VIII’s dying and getting cancer are higher than just that of the normal cross section of population.
Jane this might sound crazy but I think a lot of these folks may just be dying of broken hearts and cancer is just the cover story. What is cancer but a protest of life as it exists? Cancer is a fast ticket out of this whole mess and into the next life time and maybe, just maybe, another and hopefully more successfully run at the Bridge LRH had it mind for us.
Out tech. leads to broken dreams and the next thing you know like Rex Fowler you’re considering loading rounds into the chambers and finding a target.
I hear you KFrancis. That is so sad but probably has some truth to it. I think that is why Richard Reese, the Sr. CS at Flag died of cancer. Miscabbage was telling him to alter the tech and as the senior tech terminal, to uphold all the changes DM was making to it, and I think Richard found a way out that bypassed the Hole.
I’m sorry, but as an educated professional–and as a human being with a working mind–I have to object to this.
There are many factors (genetic, environmental, etc) which increase ANYONE’S risk of getting cancer.
Cancer is NOTa result of a state of mind (though your ignorance to reality certainly fits in that hole).
It is the result of genetics and/or exposure to environmental factors.
How DARE you make some ridiculous assertion that cancer is “just the cover story”??
HOW DARE YOU.
RUDE is what you are.
RUDE and IGNORANT.
There are HAPPY, LOVED CHILDREN who DIE of CANCER you KNITWIT.
The whole world could not care LESS about what some IDIOT 2ND RATE SCI-FI FICTION (FICTION!!!!!!!!!!!) WRITER told you to believe back in the 50s, 60s, 70s.
GET A GRIP.
I agree with you, but people on this blog are heading slowly to the exit (the total exit, not just the indie one), they just don’t know it yet. Leaving a cult is like deep diving. If you come up too fast, you get the bends. Just a few feet at a time up to the surface, one can only take so much disillusionment at a time . . . especially with all the mental land mines that Hubbard laid around the perimeter.
I come from a family, 4 members of which died of cancer, three of them my siblings. It isn’t out of the realm of probability that stress can lead to cancer, as it can to heart disease and other kinds of ailments. Are there not those cases of spontaneous remission, where the cancer seems to be destroyed not on the basis of medical action, but through a process not yet understood, partially because it occurs so rarely?
Why couldn’t it work the other way around sometimes, that a state of mind and external stress can produce cancer?
WIS, I am sorry as well that this was so disturbing for you. Like you I believe poisons, radiation and many other environmental elements are responsible for the onset of most cancers. I also believe that a person can reach a point in life where his state of mind can become so broken that it opens the door for cancer to easily find a willing host. That’s all……it’s just an opinion and having stated it I can see how it might test the patience a science based professional.
Have another glass of the sweetest kool aide in town. Then you might want to read “The Biology of Belief” by Bruce Lipton.
Don’t worry, it does not have squat to do with the cult. Then you can get a grip.
You are right about genetics and environmental causes of cancer. But are you saying that state of mind can have no impact on the heath of a body? Sorry, but that is just not true. The people you are calling Rude and Ignorant are neither. They are speaking about a specific circumstance regarding Scientology and members being adversely effected by loss and disappointment as well as out tech being run on them. I also want to point out that being rude and insulting is not a good way of being heard. You could have made your point in a respectful, kind way. I hope you will consider that next time you want to voice a disagreement.
Here is the problem WIS and its probly been said many times.The stuff that works in Scientology isnt new and the new stuff scientology brings to the table doesnt work.It takes people time to work out what is reality from LRH’s delusions.”Radiation water soluble”,”LRH’s baby formula”,”Homo-Novis” and my favourite”Not smoking enough causes cancer”.
I have found that the more you try to bash reality into these indies heads the more they tend to revert back to the us against them LRH paranoia and that you are out to destroy their religion.
Thirty years from now Scientology will be nothing more than a chapter in a cult awarness handbook.
WIS, I too grant plenty of credibility to environmental factors, genetics, ingested toxins, all sorts of physical causes for cancer. You are not wrong in making that point. I personally try to stay away from toxins in home products, eat mainly organic, etc. I figured that part out and try to educate others about it when they really do want to know.
But there are many more professionals other than Hubbard who now recognize the concept of the person themselves feeling that somehow (not in a logical manner) being ill helps them in some way. A very small example would be the familiar “pain in the aritimetic,” which I know I used a few times when I didn’t want to go to school. First I just didn’t want to go to school, claimed “I don’t feel good Mommy….” and AFTER that I truly didn’t feel good. And I was glad that I didn’t feel good. That was truly illogical! But it kept me from having to go to school for whatever reason I wanted to avoid. It ran its course and I didn’t do it anymore after about 3rd grade thank goodness.
It has been recognized, from at least the 80’s and onward, that the mind and the person himself has way more power over his own health than was earlier understood. One of the most successful cancer institutes in the country combines spiritual and personal counseling and a kind, friendly environment along with diet and various medical cancer treatments for the treatment of the “whole person,” not just the cancer itself. The spiritual support, in whatever way works for the patient has very helpful, successful effects.
Pffff.
Cancer doesn’t come from a state of mind? Then why can a positive attitude help so many cancer patients?
It’s a complicated point, for sure, but don’t just throw out the idea wholesale. Only an uninformed idiot would say that a person’s spiritual/emotional state of mind had nothing to do with Cancer.
Sorry to be so curt but, come on. Are you a medical doctor or something? Someone who never has studied any alternative medicine or natural healing?
Pffff.
The idea that illness of the body stems from illness of the mind is an idea that is thousands of years old. But luckily, everyone holds the freedom to believe as they wish.
cancer is caused by the genetic organization of a tissue being tweaked by environmental and hereditary factors. think of it as micro evolution gone awry. research has not shown that giving up on life causes cancer, sadly suicide is the major cause of death in those who are depressed. and yes some people are hypochondriacs, there are some that use illness as a tool for its own ends, but as most hypochondriacs are embarrassed to admit, no matter how much they go to hospital and take diagnostics its hardly ever cancer, just a waste of time and insurance money. but i have to agree that a positive outlook does allow for faster healing, better outcome. i would like to suggest that you visit a good science site like sciencedaily.com. they have in their annals all research done in cancer since the beginning of their website. and its not hard to read either, like science journals can tend to be.
KFrancis (and all) –
Your central point is very well made. As the guy said in “The Edge,” a man in the wilderness dies of shame. People do die of broken hearts, and their choice of death is optional. It goes to basic perception that “man” is a spirit able to control and monitor a body and originally, before losing the ability, create and control energy. Anyone can deny anything – that doesn’t contribute much – and people whose stable data are challenged get all upset and resort to calling names.
Some studies have been done to show the unlikelihood of the survival of a biped. It’s a feat of balancing to walk upright. It’s an unstable posture, and easily put out of balance. What makes “man” the reigning “species” is intelligence (the summit of which, I am convinced, is a very refined ability to avoid hatred and to show compassion).
A being in control of a body can make it ill, or well, within the limits of abilities of a body. To extrapolate that to perpetual body life is an error, but one can certainly enforce bad conditions on a body. People fixate, currently, on “cancer.” Centuries ago, it was “consumption” that people died of. Centuries from now, maybe what we call death will be recognized as the final cycle of regeneration of a body – which has its own life, and its own determinism, even I we do not understand it.
People bent on disproving and denying place unreasonable burdens on Scientologists to “prove” things, when the only proof is direct observation. These same people with their fragile grasp of extrapolations and limits and science, refuse categorically to accept the extrapolations of abilities of “man” – and refuse to see their own contradictions.
In my continuing attempt to grasp history, I stumbled across some sage words Chairman Khrushchev wrote to President Kennedy:
http://microsites.jfklibrary.org/cmc/oct26/doc4.html
“If you did this as the first step towards the unleashing of war, well then, it is evident that nothing else is left to us but to accept this challenge of yours. If, however, you have not lost your self-control and sensibly conceive what this might lead to, then, Mr. President, we and you ought not now to pull on the ends of the rope in which you have tied the knot of war, because the more the two of us pull, the tighter that knot will be tied. And a moment may come when that knot will be tied so tight that even he who tied it will not have the strength to untie it, and then it will be necessary to cut that knot, and what that would mean is not for me to explain to you, because you yourself understand perfectly of what terrible forces our countries dispose.”
Everywhere you look, there is an opportunity to tie knots, or to unravel them. Scientology is available to unravel them. This data has never before been available. It is nothing short of evil to waste the opportunity to unravel all knots which bind us. LRH probably would have put it more succinctly, maybe something like, “Cancer is counter-creation in a cycle of action.” I’m starting to dislike this society’s fixation on counter-creation, and that fixation is something which can be reversed, at will, with full perceptics.
Carcha.
Thank you Carcha. Great post.
You know, Carcha, I think a nice, light oil-and-vinegar would go great on that salad.
Wow. This reminds me of when I was on lines at Pasadena. Just keep recycling the same public because no new folks are walking in the door.
kat, I was thinking the same thing. I recognize at least 50% of those names as long time PAC/Flag public.
I was thinking the same thing. I knew 80% of those names as long-time Scns. No new names equals no new public.
I was thinking the same thing. There is probably nobody mentioned in this email who has been in less than 25 years, and most of them more like 40 years.