Koko’s gone kookoo over the “legalization of marijuana” in California and is on some sort of crusade to get her little corner (Glendale) to somehow secede from the rest of the state when it comes to the notorious loco weed.
Don’t they know what Ron wrote about marijuana in Dianetics The Modern Science of Mental Health?
He railed against alcohol being legal, while marijuana is less physically harmful and “better in the action of keeping a neurotic producing.”
Why aren’t these women going after legalized alcohol? Why are they so upset about marijuana? They don’t believe Ron?
Here is the paragraph from DMSMH addressing the subject (boldface is mine):
Alcohol is rarely an assist to the auditor. In fact, alcohol is rarely an assist to anyone. A depressant, classifiable at best as a poison, alcohol has the single virtue of being highly taxable. All alcoholics are alcoholic because of their engrams. All alcoholics, unless they have injured their brains — which case is cited only because it is possible, not because research in dianetics demonstrated any real evidence of it — can be released. Alcoholism is engramic. It has become, in some very understandable way, a class of contagious aberration whereby the reactive mind confuses alcohol and “being a good sport” or “having fun” or “forget your troubles.” Some of these things can also be obtained by strychnine and cyanide. Alcohol has its uses: one can put specimens of frogs and such in it: one can clean the germs off needles with it: it burns well in rockets. But one would not consider preserving his stomach in a glass jar and, unless insane, does not think of himself as a needle. While some drunks think they act like rockets, few have been observed to reach an altitude of more than the floor. It is not only a poor stimulant-depressant, it is also an hypnotic in the finest sense: what is done to a drunk becomes an engram. The chronic alcoholic is physically and mentally ill. Dianetics can clear him or even merely release him without too much trouble for alcohol is apparently not physiological in its addictive effect. With the whole range of chemistry to choose stimulants and depressants from, why the government chooses a superiorly aberrative and inferiorly stimulative compound to legalize is a problem for the better mathematicians, possibly these who deal exclusively in tax income problems. Opium is less harmful, marijuana is not only less physically harmful but also better in the action of keeping a neurotic producing, phenobarbital does not dull the senses nearly as much and produces less after effect, ammonium chloride and a host of other stimulants are more productive of results and hardly less severe on the anatomy: but no, the engrams, contaging unpleasantly along from the first crude brew which made one of our ancestors drunk, decree that alcohol is the only thing which is to be drunk if a person wants to “forget it all” and “have a good time.” There is really nothing wrong with alcohol save that it depends mainly on engrams and other advertising for its effect and is otherwise remarkably inferior in performance: that it makes such aberrative engrams is probably its main claim to fame and infame. Making one drug immoral and another one taxable is a sample of the alcohol engram in society. However, although it is immensely legal, it is doubtful if the auditor will find any use for it in therapy.
Of course, Narconon and the “Say No To Drugs” campaign also rail against marijuana, so apparently scientologists just fall into line like good sheeple because “they must know what they are talking about because they are backed by the church.” But the truth is that if they were following Hubbard, they would have more attention on alcohol than marijuana. But of course, they do not oppose alcohol.
These guys are mixed up. And they are fighting a losing battle. Scientologists seem to love fighting losing battles. Being the “underdogs,” standing on righteous pedestals while everyone walks by and ignores them completely.
One would think they would focus on things that really are important. Serious drugs.
Or how about something closer to home — human trafficking? Or child abuse?
I quit Scientology because after my purification Rundown I wasn’t able to attest that I was done using marijuana, even though I was told my needle was floating my internal needle knew it was not. turns out I was right 25 years later I’m still using marijuana.
Koko needs to smoke a doobie…
I’ve done both once upon a time a drinking IMO is worse but that’s just me & our GOV knows this but I think they hate to be wrong…
Didn’t Tom DeVoght? Drink scotch with DM at the end of a busy day?
The Church is worse than the DEA in this regard. You see, because Hubbard proposed that marijuana was bad – having operated off of prohibition era reefer madness propaganda, the Church, despite ALL of the scientific evidence as it marijuana’s effectiveness and safety is STILL against it. Hell, I know priests in the catholic church that even support marijuana, thus showing once again the church is STUCK on the time track. Oh and the part about “youth access” … it’s already been debunked that in Colorado, LESS youth were doing it because it was legal now.
That said, 90% + of domestic crime usually involves alcohol or hard drugs. Marijuana is generally not the “culprit”. And they are attributing accidents and homelessness to marijuana now? Hmm but alcohol seems okay. Even the DEA (which was sued recently and as a result removed propaganda off their website concerning cannabis) is more flexible than Scientology. Plus, the taxes in Colorado (and other legal states) are actually being used to go back into schools and other betterment programs. Something the Church FAILS utterly at doing.
All of their arguments are invalid and have been debunked. The reason you cannot overdose and the reason why NO one has died as a result of ingesting copious amounts of marijuana is because the herb does NOT affect the respiratory or part of the nervous system that affects breathing or other vital auto-functions, unlike alcohol, pharmaceuticals, and hard drugs.
Having studied the value of marijuana, and being a daily user of it, I can assure you that the stuff LRH said about it (backed and reinforced by Narconon) is pure reefer madness – no scientific base. If anything it’s made me personally more healthier and personally more critical in my thinking and compassionate when I deal with others (that admittedly could also be partially from my disconnection from Scientology – means I am less of an asshole).
With marijuana I have quit drinking, become happier and have a much broader viewpoint about life. These are 180 degree turns from how I was when I was in Scientology. I drank a lot, because staff sucked. And I was always worried, because of the ongoing witch hunts, the intensives of “rudiments”, the injustices, the high demand for impossible targets (recruit 25 people this week, lol you do it, can’t be done, we don’t even have BIS above 25).
The church’s attack on marijuana is just another piece of antiquated think exposed. It’s another way for Narconon and the IAS to bilk more money out of the sheeple.
Wasn’t DMs sister arrested for pot?
She most certainly was. Here is link to the article:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/twin-sister-of-scientology-leader-miscavige-arrested-for-marijuana/2129224
It runs in his family. I forget where, but I read something on the internet that said almost David Miscavige’s whole family takes dope. (sic) 🙂
This is how its done….laughter, the best medicine!
http://dalailama.com/webcasts/post/368-john-oliver-speaks-with-the-dalai-lama
Thank you Mike! As always a pleasure reading your blog.
Many clams I knew drank a good bit of alcohol at parties – it was the only drug that was “approved” by the cult. They’d get good and falling-down ripped.
And some of them think that they are somewhat immune to alcohol’s effects if they’ve done the drug rundown. Riiiiiggggt.
Sorry but I had to just sign this lady up with Weedmaps.com. Now when every cannabis delivery service in Glendale puts any of it’s products on sale see will get endless emails.
LOL 🙂
wow ! what a great point here. i wish that all the scn. gets excited about the legalization of pot. after i was out, i smoked pot for awhile and realized i’d have been at the same spiritual level smoking pot for a while instead of spending 22 years in the cherch . and of course i would still have the $75,000-$100,000 i spent there. I hope some sheeple start smoking and get out or get kicked out. i hope they make it legal in Fl. too.this is one more thing that could start diminshing the number of people joining. and to think i voted against it.
Any good Scientologist knows why it would be ludicrous to stop using tobacco. That’s why LRH didn’t include it in his screed that Mike reproduced.
As LRH, the man who wrote All About Radiation, said, tobacco will screen, or filter out all of the everyday radiation we pick up each day. It will even filter out old radiation residue in the body! It truly is a miracle drug. The best radiation screen brand name is Kools.
If it wasn’t for that, I would be joining Yawnalot in condemning tobacco and wondering why LRH didn’t mention it.
BTW, Love this column, I know I never say it enough.
Too bad for the “churchies” because CBD Oil is effective in treating depression and a wide assortment of physical and neurological maladies. It has no THC (or minuscule amounts) and it helps people chill the freak out. With the cost of C of S auditing and the constant invalidation and mindscrewing that goes on in that freak show I can’t imagine ANYONE who wouldn’t instantly improve their lives by using CBD. It has ZERO psycho-active properties and would never show up on a drug test. People are experiencing great assistance and relief using CBD and unfortunately for Scientologists they are stuck on the time track and will suffer needlessly. So many will attribute their difficulties to “case phenomena” and many will never afford the auditing they think will turn their lives around. Lives on hold, frozen in the “maybe” that “I will get up the bridge one day”. The church doesn’t care about you or your problems, it only wants your cash or your silence. Leave now and take your lives back and the get some help for your sleep or body issues.
Forgive my silly question. What is CBD?
THC is the active ingredient in pot that gets you high; psycho active.
CBD is the active ingredient that deals with pain and relaxation. You do not get high.
They have created plants that have very high CBD but very low THC.
They make topical CBD cream for pain; unbelievably effective
And they make CBD aural intake for sleeping disorders. You do not get high, have no negative sleeping pill side effects.
Cannabidiol is an oil extract from marijuana plants without the THC. I just spent six years in Ojai, CA (marijuana is now legal as of Jan 1st 2017 in California) and though I moved to Georgia Jan 2nd, I watched a lot of Ojai residents pushing CBD oil as a remedy for quite a few ills. For a town that pushes a lot of woo woo regarding unverified and often anectodal claims, I believe they got it right in the case of CBD. CBD oil actually has been studied and tested under scientific standards (though not on a large enough scale) and these studies show it should be fast tracked as a potential solution, particularly with regards to certain types of mental “illness.” I’m pretty sure the FDA is looking at CBD for a medical application. I don’t drink alcohol or smoke pot (I have a slight case of COPD from smoking bad weed in my past) but I am very much for legalizing marijuana as a prominent business owner totally against legalization in Colorado now tells me he was wrong in opposing it’s legalization, that with three high schoolers, he is convinced drug use is down among Colorado teens and opiod use is declining as addicts can find safe relief from their “ills” with properly regulated doses of marijuana. He runs a large factory in Denver with many employees and his company has to his surprise, not been adversely affected by legalization, even though he has employees who smoke pot. He’s been told by his insurance company that it’s been easier to treat ‘addicts’ and those with drug problems as people now switch to pot. 2016 was his best year in the last five years and his employees are not calling in “sick” or “late” as he anticipated originally.
CBD is one of the primary compounds found in cannabis. Unlike the THC in pot, CBD doesn’t get you high, but it does have many medical benefits, including use for nausea (helpful with chemotherapy). Also good as an anti-inflammatory and anti-depressant. Products are now available with high levels of CBD and virtually no intoxicating THC, for those seeking the medical benefits without the high.
Very Interesting topic today, Mike. I’m curious…is there a call to arms here in the TPA area also? Considering there is a new shop about 8 miles from the FLAG MECCA….I would think that there would be local Scientologists out in droves protesting. There are several medical marijuana shops opening in the TPA area. I have seen advertisements in the TBT for them.
California????? Really???? Seems too little way too late.
Florida would be the more obvious choice.
Maybe someone will open one in downtown Clearwater…..that would bring business to the area. Lol.
At the HGB (ILO offices in Hollywood) there is a little 10 foot by 8 foot room on the sixth floor (dining room floor) where smokers can smoke during their meal breaks. It used to be standing room only/sardine can-like in that room when I was there, with as many SO members as possible crammed in chain smoking during their meal breaks. It would have probably been much better if they had been smoking weed instead of tobacco.
I wanted to see what the research says about marijuana and found an article about it on the government website drugabuse.gov. At the bottom are the following “Points to Remember”:
• Marijuana refers to the dried leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds from the hemp plant, Cannabis sativa.
• The plant contains the mind-altering chemical delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other related compounds.
• People use marijuana by smoking, eating, drinking, and inhaling it.
• Smoking THC-rich extracts from the marijuana plant (a practice called dabbing) is on the rise.
• THC [the mind-altering chemical delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol] overactivates certain brain cell receptors, resulting in effects such as:
• altered senses
• changes in mood
• impaired body movement
• difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
• impaired memory and learning
• Marijuana use may have a wide range of effects, both physical and mental, which include:
• breathing illnesses
• possible harm to a fetus’s brain in pregnant women
• hallucinations and paranoia
• The amount of THC in marijuana has been increasing steadily, creating more harmful effects.
• It’s unlikely that a person will fail a drug test or get a “contact high” from inhaling secondhand marijuana smoke.
• A marijuana overdose doesn’t lead to death but can cause some very uncomfortable side effects, such as unease and shaking and, in rare cases, an extreme psychotic reaction.
• Marijuana can lead to a substance use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases.
• Treatment for marijuana addiction includes forms of behavioral therapy. No medications currently exist for treatment.
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It then gives a long list of references, and at the end of the article is this:
“Source: National Institute on Drug Abuse; National Institutes of Health; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
“This page was last updated February 2017.”
Here’s the link: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of what happens to your brain on Scientology. You not only have no idea what pot does (something that every person below the age of 65 knows), but you have to word-clear everything about pot through a website. Scientology shuts you out of the real world completely. Fortunately, we have Diehard LRH Defenders like Marildi around to show us the effects.
I’d tell you to get a life, but it’s too late for you, and you wasted the one you had listening to L. Fraud and believing his bullshit.
You’re putting down science now? Tsk tsk.
I do not see what is wrong with what Marildi has posted. It’s pretty inoffensive, and not even pro-LRH. There is no attempt to even try and spin the blatant contradiction. It’s not worth going after her with both barrels.
Omegapaladin, thanks for that.
Espiando, stop bullying Miraldi. I don’t have a dog in the marijuana race, so I can have both arguments for and against it. Miraldi was just passing on info that may be helpful. She wasn’t pushing for legalizing it or for making it illegal. She merely passed on information. But for you to invalidate her and say her whole life has been a waste… Wow, that is harsh. Where is your compassion? Frankly I’m surprised Mike let you post that hate comment. I wouldn’t have let it pass. Just take a deep breath and live and let live. There are many viewpoints expressed on this site. You don’t have to invalidate and attempt rip to shreds the viewpoints that don’t agree 110% with yours. You could just try to grant a little beingness. As the song says, ‘Try a little tenderness.”
Well, I generally try to let everyone express their views. I do agree about kinder being better. But I think everyone can make up their own mind about comments – whether to agree or disagree or if they create a positive or negative view of the commenter.
We are adults here, surely. Not kindergarten kids who need to be curbed for saying something unpolitical.
Freedom of speech is just that.
By the way, L Con supporters do get my back up, too. Just saying.
Dawn: “We are adults here, surely. Not kindergarten kids who need to be curbed for saying something unpolitical.”
Then why are you trying to curb Cindy for being so “unpolitical” as to express a point of view that bullying isn’t okay?
Or are you trying to curb her because she communicated with someone who should be shunned?
Bullying? “…should be shunned?”
In whose opinion?
marilidi, I was going to ask what the point was of copy and pasting that list off a government website without providing any commentary or context, but I see now that Espiando has provided those 🙂
Reading down the list, I found it interesting to be reminded of a point that I had forgotten, that marijuana has almost no addictive effect, while alcohol and especially cigarettes are definitely addictive – and have much more severe health effects, as well.
As I said at the start of that comment, I wanted to see what the actual research says about marijuana. And the list I quoted that summarizes the findings includes the following about addiction:
“Marijuana can lead to a substance use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases.”
It lists out many other harmful effects as well, which I think people should be aware of.
Government research? The government’s position hasn’t changed since the 60’s, they still classify pot as a dangerous drug and don’t even acknowledge that there are any medicinal benefits. However, there is considerable independent research, and CBD oil is proven to help with many health problems, including chronic pain, insomnia, nausea, and depression. The biggest legitimate drug problem in this country is opioid abuse, mostly because of people with chronic pain who become addicted. CBD from cannabis is a far preferable alternative way to deal with pain. And as far as recreational use is concerned, pot is infinitely less dangerous and addictive than perfectly LEGAL alcohol.
Kathy, the National Institute of Drug Abuse based their position on independent studies, which they list out at the bottom of the page. The article was updated in February 2017.
Regarding medical benefits, there is another NIDA article specifically on medical marijuana. Here are the “Points to Remember” at the end of the article:
• The term medical marijuana refers to treating a disease or symptom with the whole unprocessed marijuana plant or its basic extracts.
• The FDA has not recognized or approved the marijuana plant as medicine.
• However, scientific study of the chemicals in marijuana called cannabinoids has led to two FDA-approved medications in pill form.
• Cannabinoids are chemicals related to delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana’s main mind-altering ingredient.
• The body also produces its own cannabinoid chemicals.
• Currently, the two main cannabinoids from the marijuana plant that are of interest for medical treatment are THC and cannabidiol (CBD).
• Scientists are conducting preclinical and clinical trials with marijuana and its extracts to treat numerous diseases and conditions.
• Two FDA-approved marijuana drugs are dronabinol and nabilone, both used to treat nausea and boost appetite.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine
I’ve smoked pot 5 times in my whole life over the course of decades. I’ve never bought it and I wouldn’t know how to roll a joint. Point being, I’m no expert on pot. Now, as far as it being addicting, I’ve heard and read many times that pot is not addicting. However, I know people who have been smoking it for decades, people for whom a day does not go by wherein they don’t smoke pot. They’re not sick and they’re not in physical pain. They just like it. These people I know don’t have a cocktail or a beer or a glass of wine to relax. Instead they’ll light up a joint. They don’t overdo it, they’re not constantly stoned or anything like that. BUT they tell me that they smoke a joint regularly each day. So, are they addicted? If for some reason they HAD to leave off smoking their daily joint, would they be able to stop, just like that? I don’t know. 30 years is a long time to be smoking a joint every day – and then you just stop? I’m sceptical, NOT because I believe that pot is addicting because I have no idea, truly I don’t. I’m sceptical out of my own experience of giving up smoking cigarettes. I wasn’t a heavy smoker, but I was nevertheless totally, totally addicted for 20 years. So, maybe pot would/could be psychologically addicting, if not physically? Because there’s no way these 3 friends of mine will ever give up the daily joint.
Some people have a glass of wine every night or a whiskey. It could be addiction. Who knows. Does it really matter if it stays at one, sometimes two of anything. Probably does more good than harm. Stress harms some people, causes ailments, relaxing the system is probably a good tonic.
Addicted people want more and more, surely. I am no expert, just sharing.
Aqua, as someone who first smoked pot in 1970 as a teenager, smoked off and on ever since, and continues to enjoy it now in my 60’s, it’s really not physically addictive. Cigarettes however are physically addictive, and it’s very hard to quit, because nicotine is a highly addictive substance. The frustration that pot smokers feel is that, for 50+ years, the government continues to look for ways to justify treating pot as a very dangerous thing, while ignoring the fact that proven killers alcohol and cigarettes are perfectly legal. My dad, uncle and ex-husband all died from alcohol-related health problems, and my mom died from lung failure caused by decades of cigarette smoking. And I’m a happy, healthy, productive person, no alcohol, no cigarettes, just pot.
Miraldi, I have heard that marijuana can be a gateway drug leading to usage of harder drugs later on. Did the web site say anything about that? (and Espiando, don’t comment on this. I am asking Miraldi and not you.)
Why don’t you look at the website? The information is right in there. And if you google this you will find plenty of authorities and studies that have opposite conclusions on this matter.
Mike, from the Google results I got, almost all the studies that are positive about marijuana are the ones that compare it to other drugs and alcohol. What I got is that it depends on the demographics and other factors that are being considered, but overall it does appear to be safer. That isn’t to say it doesn’t have its risks, however.
Cindy, Mike has a point. It isn’t a long, dry and scholarly article, if that’s what you’re thinking. Here’s the link again: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
As for whether marijuana is “a gateway drug leading to usage of harder drugs later on,” here is their brief statement:
“Some research suggests that marijuana use is likely to come before use of other drugs.16 Marijuana use is also linked to addiction to other substances, including nicotine. In addition, animal studies show that the THC in marijuana makes other drugs more pleasurable to the brain.17
“Although these findings support the idea of marijuana as a ‘gateway drug,’ the majority of people who use marijuana don’t go on to use other ‘harder’ drugs. Read more about marijuana as a gateway drug in our Marijuana Research Report ( https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug )”
(And thanks for your efforts to help keep the exchanges civil. 🙂 )
Sorry. The above should have been a reply to Kathy H. (Only the last line was for Cindy.)
I had it right the first time. The above comment about “a gateway drug” actually was for you, Cindy. (I need to stop trying to multi-task! 🙂 )
Thanks, Miraldi. Just trying to keep the bullying in check.
Hi Cindy.. I can say with certainty that yes it very much CAN lead to stronger drugs
Cindy and co, this blog is for grown ups.
Hey, Dawn, that was a snide comment to Cindy. She is a grown up, as are you. She can opine based on her purview of the facts, as can you. And so can I. As regards pot, a friend of mine, a regular pot smoker as a teen in the ’70s, gave it up for good when she turned 21. When I asked her why, she replied that she was tired of feeling out of it and stupid, and saying, “They don’t call it ‘dope’ for nothing”. So that’s another opinion from an adult that you probably won’t like.
If Davis Miscavige had a puff or two of marijuana, he would:
1. Mellow out
2. Realize he has been acting like a supreme douchebag his whole life
3. Evolve into a better person.
I am so sick of seeing his angry glaring eyes in his photos. He always looks like he is trying to impress his brainless followers, pretending that he has some super powers earned through his progress in $cientology,… what a twit. His last interview with Ted Kopel frightened him so much that an intelligent person can actually challenge him, hence his disappearance from all media interviews.
I would love to see a photo of him with a happy grin and slightly dilated pupils. I might like him a little more.
I’ve never done marijuana (or any other recreational drug other than alcohol), but from what I’ve heard about the possible side effects, I think it could possibly do DM some good if it only mellowed him out and made him laugh a little. However, some other possible side effects are paranoia and anxiety (if I’m not mistaken), which God knows he doesn’t need to increase those two characteristics.
Either way, it’s not like the guy could be any more of an ass, so maybe it would be worth a shot. If he wants Scientology to be the “cool, hip” religion, embrace LRH’s views on it (aren’t they supposed to do that anyway?) and then they’d probably see a ton of growth in their membership numbers. Whether that would result in more money or more people taking their progress up the Bridge “seriously” remains to be seen, but it sure seems like it would be a helluva lot of fun……and a great recruitment tool.
I’ve got some great indica I can give him…
WAYC,
I think you seriously underestimate the power of the dark side! It will require much more than a couple of puffs!!
“If Davis Miscavige had a puff or two of marijuana, he would:
1. Mellow out (probably not)
2. Realize he has been acting like a supreme douchebag his whole life (almost impossible!)
3. Evolve into a better person. ” (NEVER, other than as a hallucination)
Yo Dave,
It might be worth a try. You never know what positive effects may be derived from a couple of tokes off your friends dong. Oops, sorry good buddy, I meant Bong.
There is Hemp (Marijuana) growing on the Fort Snelling National Cemetery.
So what?
And after they smoke some pot DM could down load some porn off the internet like everybody else and stop using peoples’ sexual confessions in there audits to get off. I mean really…
I’d pay good money to see the dwarf stoned!
Too bad he couldn’t get some LSD maybe he’d show everyone how he can fly. just sayin’
By the way, one of the main reasons there is violence associated with legal marijuana retailing operations is the insane federal law that prohibits banks from taking marijuana proceeds as deposits. Thus these businesses are forced to retain their revenue as large cash hordes on-site, and are juicy targets for robberies. Banks routinely shut down all accounts associated with any person operating a legal marijuana business. Only Congress can change this law, so forget about it. Obama may have relaxed enforcement a bit, but don’t count on that lasting under the new regime.
Which is why putting dispensaries in industrial area where there can be more and better security than a downtown retail location would be best.
While I don’t use it, I think it should be legal across the United States, and I agree that President Trump could benefit from a few tokes each weekend while he be chillin’ at Mar-a-Loco.
Maybe this is one explanation for why so many Scientologists apparently voted for Trump, since they share the same outdated ideas. Our new Atty General Sessions’ views are straight out of Reefer Madness, that legal pot is dangerous, that it’s a “gateway drug” causing the crime rates to explode. I’m in Seattle, where the legal pot stores are open 8 a.m. to midnight. Legalization removes the criminal element, and allows people to buy exactly the potency they want, in a safe environment. Plenty of anecdotal evidence that opioid abuse has actually dropped, since people are able to use pot for chronic pain instead. Washington state has already seen over $250 million in tax revenue from legalization. Funny that the same people who are so hysterically anti-drug don’t seem to consider alcohol a drug at all.
Kathy H, look at this way: Trump, Bannon, Pence, Sessions et al represent a demographic, the aging Christian Right that is on its way out and that statement can be taken definitively. Common sense about drugs will prevail The legalization and decriminalization of drugs is happening and will continue to happen, state by state. What you’re looking at now, the phenomenon that you’re observing now is the Alt Right’s version of Custer’s Last Stand.
You’re absolutely right. It’s just astonishing to me that they’re still using the same old scare tactics to demonize pot, the same (now discredited) nonsense I remember so well from the 60’s and 70’s!
These people would rather see huge numbers of people in prison over possession and use of marijuana.
Their views are antiquated. There are many people who have found that marijuana or cannabinoid products are much better at treating conditions, such as nausea, pain and inflammation, than other pharmaceuticals. A friend of mine is using medical marijuana in the form of cannabinoid oil (no THC that is what makes people high) to help ease the extreme anxiety of his mother who is afflicted with dementia and confined to memory care. It is a welcomed alternative to the drugs that would leave her in a drug-induced stupor all day. I find that Scientologists are hypocritical in their opposition to medical marijuana. Just look at the Purification Rundown, with its use of heavy doses of vitamins, minerals and oils. They tout the mental, physical and spiritual benefits of consuming these manufactured supplements. Marijuana is a plant that people can grow and consume without manufacturers being involved at all. They can’t complain about the harmful effects of smoking a burning plant material, until they address the numbers of Scientologists who smoke tobacco.
Communities all over California are in the middle of discussing how to integrate marijuana business and private growing into their communities. Making it accessible to the people who want it or need it through delivery services will enable retail sales to be located in industrial areas – away from downtowns, schools, low income housing areas, and provide access to people who cannot travel. I hope that these people do not control the conversation in Glendale.
Where did the staff get the money to buy booze?
They skipped the toilet paper…
It makes me laugh how scientologists are again on the losing side of an issue in which the winning side is the POPULAR side. Scientology is not popular, reefer is. Sorry scientology but the COOLEST religion on the planet is shaking its tiny fist at a force of nature.
Not that you have to smoke marijuana or even endorse it to be ‘cool’ but honestly…painting a lurid picture of a pot dystopia replete with beckoning billboards and crazed potheads is totally out of touch with the facts as well as the times.
“Out of touch” pretty much sums up scientology in today’s world. Its relevance quotient is down there with the Hare Krishnas and Bill O’Reilly. So here’s Koko trying to stir anti-marijuana hysteria in a bunch of old scientology fuddy duddies my age, many of whom no doubt would LOVE to get toasted and listen to a little Jefferson Airplane. Or the Doors. (Riders On The Storm is especially impressive when you’re lit!)
And don’t forget Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon!!
Wish you were here 🙂
Led Zepplin–Stairway to Heaven.
Time to talk politics just bit. Scientology’s natural alliance with Trumpist authoritarianism is going to be demonstrated as the administration has already announced that they are going to vigorously enforce federal anti-marijuana laws, squashing the rights of the people of California and so many other states who have voted to legalize marijuana for recreational use. (It remains to be seen how they intend to impinge on medical marijuana.) Even with Jefferson Sessions’ likely early exit from his job as attorney general (due to being a lying snake under oath), his replacement TBD is no less likely to pursue this course. The inherent incompetence of everything Trump will not blunt the force of this policy, but will only make its application more capricious, brutal and counterproductive.
And my rant wouldn’t be complete if I didn’t take a swipe at the always weak political leadership of Barack Obama. He had 8 years to remove marijuana from Schedule 1, and failed to do it. That would have given legal marijuana a significant leg-up. Now his rather tepid policy of not sending in the DEA to contravene state law is quite easily reversed by Trump.
If the new administration goes through with this, it will backfire on them. Trump said during the campaign that he would allow the states to decide about both medicinal and legal recreational. He may be surprised to find out just how many of his own supporters smoke pot.
Kathy, what Trump says at any given time depends entirely upon who is in front of him and what he wants out of them. Like anything or anyone he’s for or against, he’s for State’s Rights when it serves his purposes and when it doesn’t, he’s not.
That behavior will cost him. Since Spicer made those comments about enforcing federal laws to shut down recreational sales, I’ve seen lots of angry reactions from disillusioned Trump voters on social media, saying they regret their vote.
A Quinnipiac poll taken last month showed a majority of Americans now favoring legalization, and an amazing 70+ percent saying they think the states should be able to decide (without federal interference).
I’m for legalization because it decriminalizes it. Anyone who needs/wants it should be able to buy it. Its just common sense. I’m glad that 70% are in favor of legalization, even if their reasons for wanting it legalized would differ from my own. And as for disillusioned Trump voters, man oh man, those people are going to need SOMETHING to calm them down and keep them from rioting in the street when they start to realize how uttlerly they have been conned, and that “The Only One Who Can Fix It” ain’t gonna.
LOL! (Except it’s not funny at all to see millions of desperate people put their faith in a con man) Those poor trusting Trump voters will need medical marijuana more than ever, once they lose their health care…
You’re right, it isn’t funny. But they won’t blame Trump. They’ll be pissed off, but they’ll blame the Democrats or other Republicans. They’ll blame whomever Fox News and Breitbart tell them should be blamed. And, oh, the irony, that the Trumpsters will be blaming and villifying the very people who are holding the line for them – the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the sick, the drug addicted – all the low income people who will be either dropped or priced out of health care. But then, apparently a good number of these trusting Trumpsters are people who hate “Obamacare” and can’t wait for it to be done away with, but approve of the Affordable Care Act – unaware that they’re the same thing. So what does that tell you, Kathy? As the Orange One would say: “Sad”.
I doubt it Aqua. 8 years on and the people conned by Obamao still haven’t figured out they were had. (well a certain % of black voters did and voted against Hilldog) Most people don’t pay enough attention beyond sound bites to realize anything.
hgc10, is that why scientology was so “aligned” with Clinton during his presidency?
I think that had more to do with Clinton and his people’s love of celebrity (Lance Ito style) and willingness to be influenced by Cruise and Travolta in trying to pressure Germany not to crack down on destructive cults, maybe. In any case, it was Clinton’s IRS that made the deal to let COS skip out on taxes. And when it comes to drug war policy, Clinton was a bad as any of them. Remember that he employed the execrable Barry McCaffrey as drug czar and that he signed the crime bill of 1994.
Correction: It was Fred Goldberg, the IRS Commissioner under Bush that put the wheels in motion for scientology’s tax exemption. It finally came to pass under Clinton, but it was a foregone conclusion once Goldberg established the committee to review the tax exempt status and appointed his D/Commissioner for Exempt Orgs to head it — a man who retired shortly after granting the exemption.
Interesting hgc10. I thought maybe it was the tough drug sentencing laws Clinton passed. Probably a combo of things.
The Federal government cannot compel local police and sheriff’s departments to do its bidding. This is part of the U.S. Constitution. They are learning this very fast with their enforcement of immigration laws. They would have to fund Federal agents and hire agents to investigate and made the arrests. This flies against traditional GOP views on State’s rights and small federal government. State laws regarding marijuana have mirrored federal laws up to this point, but this has now changed. Police, Sheriff and Assistant District Attorney deputies are employed by cities and counties. Often the Sheriff and the DA are elected positions.
RK, here is how it is going to go down. The States, foolishly take tons of $ from the Federal Gov. All a PotUS has to do (witness Obama doing this repeatedly throughout his tenure) is threaten to cut those funds if local police don’t step up to the plate.
And since a LARGE majority of Americans want illegals deported, it is a safe move for Trump.
True, but don’t forget, he didn’t inhale 🙂
Koko, as our very first language-proficient gorilla (see here for details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla) ) should be listened to closely and her words of wisdom heeded by all! That’s why she’s begun her own anti-marijuana movement, Gorillas Against Grass (GAG). Please consider donating today!
Oh no not Marijuana!! I’m almost positive that that drug is the least of their worries in Southern California! I almost thought that was the beginnning of a joke but then I kept reading….WOW.
There’s lots of problems out there in the real world and Scientology operating as a group is simply just another. It dovetails into the existing insanity of substance abuse by shouting from the rooftops how they have the solutions to all man’s problems but they have proved out to be nothing more than just a sham and money oriented enterprise operating criminally but legally protected through religious status. In all honesty they have helped no-one. There are far more honest and legitimate groups and organisations out there trying come to terms with the problems of life and attempting to do something positive about them. Scientology preys upon the misery’s of life to extract money from caring people.
This marijuana bullshit is just another attempt for Scientologists to rally around a cause, any cause that will bind them to a purpose, hence giving there management another opportunity to exercise their mechanisms. All their purposes have been so tainted with corruption and the most outrageous lies only a fool would continue to ignore the evidence.
I suppose at best it gives those in the Scientology bubble something to talk about instead of how well they are clearing the planet. Replacing one lie with another, or ignoring one fact over another is something Scientologists are very good at, a form of self-hypnosis they are enforced to endure and then they refer to it as technology.
I Yawnalot: Perfectly stated, bravo.
Fighting against the two main perceived ills of society, psychiatry and drugs, is the call to action for Scientologists, whether it’s donating money or volunteering time and energy. The recent legalization bill has been a boon to those still yearning to ‘contribute’ because it gives something apparently rational to focus on. Bringing brand-new people into the orgs for services, known as dissemination activity, is not an option these days and the Scientologist public are very well aware of this. Evidenced by the fact that it’s rarely done anymore and hasn’t been for years now. Not that it’s owned up to, it’s ignored or replacing one lie over another, just as you said.
This is just full of gems.
First, typically, Koko’s anti-marijuana scare is overblown. The first and most important claim made, about drugs and the young, is wrong – or at least misleading; while it’s technically true in some sense that marijuana “accessibility” is higher post-legalization, studies show that actual use among high schoolers has decreased. None of the other claimed harms are really supported by the evidence, and where there are some trends it is not yet clear to what extent marijuana involvement in crime is just now substituting for other drugs like alcohol, rather than there being an actual overall increase in crime attributable to marijuana as a factor. But I guess science doesn’t get in the way of what a Scientologist wants to believe.
On to Hubbard’s writing, he is more blatant about his personal experience with drugs in some other early pieces, but here it is more implied in his statements about drugs’ effects, though he goes into detail that sounds suspiciously like it was learned first hand. The false claims also stand out, such as alcoholism being purely “engramic” – which implies it could be easily cured by Dianetics.
Hubbard’s own hypocrisy and personal failure to demonstrate that his methods work even on himself, is shown in his statements such as “The chronic alcoholic is physically and mentally ill,” written around the time that several people report him consuming up to a bottle of hard liquor a day, a habit of his reported later as well. One of the things that I am wondering about after a lot of study and reflection, is if Hubbard’s apparent personality change in the mid-1960s, wasn’t due in part to his giving up self-medicating with drugs when he went to sea, including probably what was a 20 year addiction to the phenobarbital first prescribed when he was in the naval hospital.
I think that fighting losing battles is one of the things that holds together Scientology these days. If they started to actually succeed at something, then they’d have the uncomfortable problem of confronting what to do, while picking up hopeless causes helps reinforce the us-against-them (or, more specifically in their case, against an insane world) mentality that their organizational cohesion relies on.
Peacemaker. Your us against them MO is spot on. The new stats at events show little about clears, OTs and auditors made and more about their fourth dynamic outreach which is useless except as an inducement to fleece the faithful and give them “purpose” which they pay for.
Interesting how her stats about the evils of weed are just wrong. Did she make this stuff up? Oh wait she’s in Scientology, who major in making shit up.
My guess is that Koko just took her scare taglines from some other source of anti-drug hysteria, though quite possibly of course Scientology-provided material. Sadly, there’s no shortage of people with a fondness for fake science and an inability to properly weight information, who like to imagine that they are on a crusade “for the kids” or something. And as is often the case, there’s a bit of data that could be cherry-picked to try to make certain points. It’s interesting to see Scientologists promoting the insanity of failed policies based on bad data.
Also, as someone else pointed out, besides the obvious hypocrisy and blindness about alcohol, there’s smoking, which really does worrisome damage to teens’ brains, and sets them up for future abuse of more serious drugs – but of course cigarettes are a virtual Hubbard and Scientology “religious” sacrament that one dare not challenge.
Here’s what’s actually going on, which might seem counter-intuitive on the face of it, but probably has one of those interesting scientific explanations, including that the year-to-year change isn’t actually statistically significant (just the sort of research and data issue, that Scientology should have been taking into account since the early 1950s):
Colorado’s Teen Marijuana Usage Dips after Legalization
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/colorado-s-teen-marijuana-usage-dips-after-legalization/
And some studies are suggesting that marijuana legalization may actually decrease crime, which is not actually surprising upon consideration, since it eliminates a whole system of illegal activity including smuggling and distribution. It’s also not a drug that has effects that would tend to make individuals more violent or lawless, and to some extent increased legal use may be replacing use of substances that do cause more law-breaking – including alcohol.
p.s. I don’t smoke the stuff myself and don’t really hang around people who do, I’m just interested in seeing a more rational, fact- and evidence-based approach to public issues – that would lead to a world with less insanity.
Hmm. Smuggling
Marijuana legalization DOES decrease crime, which is precisely why the powers that be don’t want to legalize it, or any street drug. The need for drugs fuels crime. Crime needs to be fought and punished, which in turn creates jobs. Prisons are going to be privatized in this administration, or so I hear. The more criminals, the more profitable will be the prisons.
It is funny how LRH even confused alcohol in drinks (ethanol) with rubbing alcohol, which are two completely different chemicals. This proves, that he was not a subject matter expert in this area.
I’m not sure exactly what you’re critiquing, but I think Hubbard is referring to some applications for which ethanol was actually used in Hubbard’s era, for which other non-intoxicant substances are now more commonly substituted.
Which isn’t to say that Hubbard didn’t often pretend to be an expect in areas and then get things wrong, as other parts of his quote demonstrate.
I recently visited a former co-worker in the hospital who had recently come down with cancer. She was very pro-active in getting marajuana legalized in Alaska. I hadn’t seen her in several years but she was a mutual friend to a local Scientology couple who had disconnected from me when I left the church. I walk into the hospital room and go to give her a hug. The first thing she said to me, and she’s NOT a Scientologist, was this couple DISCONNECTED from her because of her prostance on marajuana and her involvement. Looks like they’re taking disconnection to a new level!
Frankly, I enjoy a toke now and then.
+1!
At 10:24am central, I just got a contact high from Old Ron’s DMSMH. How did I know if as I said I did, when entering Sea Org, Yes I went to college and that was perfectly fine, thank you Mike for pointing out Old Ron wanted to keep this neurotic producing!! I would think the cult has much more to fret & fuss over than weed going legal. How about all their constant Lies and Fair Gaming. Much more insidious,dangerous and criminal than one seed. ?
I dont know what DMSMH stands for but all I think of is David Miscavige….shakin’ my head.
DMSMH = Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health. Book one, essentially.
Is it just me or does it feel as though the church of scientology is attempting to align itself with the far right as a means of garnering support against the forthcoming challenges (legal and opinion driven)? It would be the clever thing to do but a lot of their actions have been incredibly counterintuitive when it comes to understanding how their are perceived.
Scientology and the Far Right have a great deal in common.
That’s exactly what Miscavige and his posse of lap dogs needs to do: get good and stoned!
Spend a few days just smokin’ some killer weed, relax, watch some cartoons, or some Monty Python episodes, play frisbee on those big lawns, swim in that big pool, grill some steaks and hamburgers, and wait, don’t they have a golf course at the Int Base?
Getting baked and whacking that little white ball around is all they need to take out their aggressions…until the laughing starts… then have some munchies, and Viola, all their sicko Nazi bullshit gone!
I am serious, it would do them all some good, lighten them the fuck up!
RPF? Its a PARTAAY!!!!!
Disconnection??? We LOVE Everyone!
I am getting stoked just thinking about it…
I was just thinking about that. It is legal here in WA, the gov wants to fiddle with that, people are not gonna give up what they now have. I have no interest myself but if anyone needed to get high and chill the fuck out it is DM.
If only we could sneak some good weed into the RPF ! Can you imagine doing a sec check stoned ? What fun !
Off topic, but other “religions” obstruct justice and drill their members for court case defense which borders on obstruction of justice.
I so wish some ex OSA staff who know the ins and outs of Scientologys’ obstruction of justice drilling and tactics, would write a book on it.
http://www.fayobserver.com/news/20170306/ex-sect-members-tell-ap-prosecutors-obstructed-abuse-cases/1
Chuck, thanks for that link. I read that, and it’s an impressive piece of thorough investigative journalism about a small Christian group that operates much like Scientology in several regards, including not only obstruction of justice coordinated through lawyers, but physical abuse and the use of long-term false imprisonment as thought reform.
It will be interesting to see what happens with that case, and if there is finally a major investigation that results in both charges of obstruction of justice, and in final prosecution of some of the cases that were obstructed. It could even possibly escalate to a RICO case, which would be an interesting precedent.
This is a reminder that abuses like Scientology’s go on in other cults or religious groups as well, though not on quite as large and deviously calculated a scale as in the CofS. I think it’s also indicative of how law enforcement, the courts and even legislators tend to give nominally religious organizations a pass from being held accountable, in part because some of these behaviors occur on the fringes of the Christian community and conservative Christians are afraid that any crackdown could have broader implications. But this could also be part of an opening to come to consensus over some of the worst abuses, and implement some measures in response, such as extending the statute of limitations for crimes committed while victims were living in a communal or coercive environment.
For anyone interested in more information on this group, they are listed on Rick Ross’ website, at
https://www.culteducation.com/group/1232-word-of-faith-fellowship.html
That particular passage from DMSMH stuck with me since the first time I read it nearly 40 years ago. Is it still included in the current edition?
I think Scientology is really missing an opportunity here. Instead of trying to lure new people in with a”stress test” on an e-meter they should offer various types of marijuana that people can test for FREE. Their church will fill with bodies in the shop. There would be so much word of mouth they wouldn’t have to spend all their money doing mailings to wrong addresses and people long gone. Once everyone was sitting around stoned someone could explain how it was possible to go exterior with full perceptions, to have whole track recall, the benefits of running around a pole for 5 hours a day when not giving commands to a glass ashtray, etc. Instead of offering food to get people to come to their awful events they could offer top of the line marijuana. That could also help them sit through 3 hours of Miscavige dragging on and on with Sherman speak that says nothing
approaching reality.
+1!
Yes! I used to fantasize about how great being blissfully drunk or stoned would be so as endure smilingly and painlessly the 3 hour film, the booming voiceovers, the exploding visuals, etc. and then being besieged afterward by desperate staff. I avoid drugs, don’t smoke tobacco and drink only occasionally but how I would long to be thoroughly numbed by some substance or other at Int Events!
If we were look at alcohol through Hubbard’s eyes, how should we judge Miscavige? Doesn’t he regularly drink?
LOL! I know why. It is a 24 hour wait for auditing after alcohol consumption but maybe a week for MJ. Go MJ!!!!!
Mike, great article today. What I want to know is this; if Scientology is expanding so rapidly and the most scientologists in the USA live in California, how did prop 64 pass?
And how can Scientology explain to new people that they have to stop using marijuana when it is legal and “everyone knows” it is less harmful than alcohol.
Won’t this make it harder for the cult to get new members. And doesn’t this latest change in the law reflect the fact that maybe Scientology actually has no impact on society what so ever.
Just so much truth in your comment and great questions.
BKmole, please do the Cult a yuge favor and stop being so intelligent and logical, OK?
The reason they do not oppose alcohol or tobacco is because these were the Ronster’s faves.
Also, he recommended benzedrine, and used it himself.
Case Factors, an LRH lecture 15 June 1950- “To handle such a case, I would put him on Benzedrine, and go back over the case and start picking up the deaths and emotional discharges…”
Sara Northrup was Hubbard’s second wife. She was interviewed by the Food and Drug Administration. She said that Hubbard frequently took benzedrine.
In other words, he was a bit of a speed freak. You have to watch those speed freaks. They’re freaky.
It nutty as a fruit cake this drug scenario and Scientology. Tobacco, a highly addictive drug, which, imo gives the lest amount of high for the greatest intake of harmful chemicals sits high on the list of stupid things to do to your body. But Hubbard’s addiction to nicotine was well justified & I noticed a lot of Scientologists smoked heavily. I remember quite well how the HGC waiting area stank and amount of full and ugly ashtrays were everywhere. Out side the academy at break-time it resembled a smoke screen.
In the 90’s some sort of restrictions were beginning to be introduced on smoking within the confines of certain parts of buildings etc but that came from outside pressure and ordinances created by government, not by any intelligence spawned by Scientology or its master.
For all it’s fanciful words and double meanings scattered throughout its technology, Scientology in real terms isn’t at all cause over any health issues of its members or in any of its applications or its practices.
Yawn, tobacco is not a drug. Nicotine is classified as a poison, like arsenic. It is a poison which has narcotic properties which are addictive. If you don’t believe me, look it up. Its not a drug.
You’ve got to kidding me. OK, are you saving you can’t get addicted to poison and no-one is addicted to smoking cigarettes then? Gee, I was worried there for a moment, I thought people might be hurting their health.
I’m so glad this is wrong:
Drug
drʌɡ/
noun
1.
a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body
Your pedanticness is stunning but each to their own. Really glad ethanol has a fancy name and gambling isn’t a poison.
Yawn, I didn’t say what you are saying I said. I didn’t say nicotine is not addictive. It is highly addictive. I know, because I was addicted to it. I never said it wasn’t injurious to health. It is. You’re right. What I said was that nicotine is a substance whose classification is a poison, which has narcotic properties, which make it addictive. Just look up “nicotine” in a dictionary or on the net or something and it will tell you that science classifies it as a poison. So to smoke is to poison oneself, and to become addicted to doing so.
So is Koko going to have all 10 active Scientologists in Glendale overwhelm the mayor with letters?
Also, what kind of name is Koko?
Koko is a nickname. She and her family are Iranian and prolly came here sometime in the 80s to escape the scene over there. Sad that they’re still in the bubble.
It is a Persian name. Koko and her husband Farid and brothers Majid and Farzod are all big Whale Scns in the LA area. But I haven’t seen their names as much lately in the donations lists, so maybe they stopped giving as much money.
Is this the Cindy who posted yesterday about the “fox patrol” in SLC when I was mission holder?
El lobo, get my email address from Mike and email me, or give me yours and I’ll email you. I’d love to comm privately with you.
Here you go:
[email protected]
Hubbard sez:
“All alcoholics, unless they have injured their brains — which case is cited only because it is possible, not because research in dianetics demonstrated any real evidence of it — can be released.”
Here we go again. Research. What research? To date, I don’t think there is a single shred of evidence for any research being conducted by Hubbard or anyone else as regards dianetics or scientology. When I was in, there was certainly none, even though there was a short lived series of volumes called the Research & Discovery Series. The only person I know of who has benefited from those volumes is Jon Atack who often cites some outrageous quote the Flounder uttered.
Hubbard also sez:
“The chronic alcoholic is physically and mentally ill. Dianetics can clear him or even merely release him without too much trouble for alcohol is apparently not physiological in its addictive effect.”
If this were the case, Narconon could use Book One auditing to treat alcoholics with the ‘tech’. As everyone knows, the ‘tech’ is 100% workable 100% of the time (except when it isn’t) per KSW.
If dianetics was able to ‘clear’ or ‘release’ an alcoholic from their addiction, scientology’s main problem would be keeping inebriated hoards from breaking down the doors as they
‘demand’ scientology services. The regges would be out of a job.
Exactly, Ms. B. Haven!
Hubbard also wrote in the Mission Earth books how to deal with street drugs – “decriminalize and ignore”
“Government is the opiate of Big Business. And criminal psychopaths….” As their choice of drugs indicate, they have the maturity of 9 year olds. (With apologies, most 9 year olds I know show wisdom beyond their ages. And they wisely avoid “power games”.)
Or even human abuse across the board?
Great article..Was it not well known that L.R.H was a alcoholic who was partial to rum combined with popping red and blue pills?
I think it’s pink pills, not blue.
My money is on the blue. Double or nothing?
Pretty sure it was pinks & grays….
or serial rape.
Cereal rape?
They do it to the rice and beans too!
There is such a thing as rapeseed.
Rapeseed, also known as rape, oilseed rape, rapa, rappi, rapaseed, is a bright-yellow flowering member of the family Brassicaceae, consumed in China and Southern Africa as a vegetable.
Just to keep this thread family oriented and educational. .
When I was on staff, alcohol abuse was rampant amongst the staff and alcohol was considered ok to consume. Smoke a doobie though and you would end up in ethics! Take LSD and you were not fit for the SO! I think those who took LSD were more resistant to being sheeple!
sheeple! ha ha ha
In scn, I was lead to believe that LSD stayed in the body forever and that’s why the purif didn’t help; and its effects could be turned on at any provocation. I’ve since discovered that LSD is water soluble!
And as for the purif, I’ve since discovered that the body has is highly efficient at ridding itself of toxins all on its own! Think of all those people not only doing the purif but redoing it!
How we were duped. Of course, we should have done our own investigations and didn’t.
All very good points, Mike. It’s okay to get drunk on alcohol but not to on marijuana.
They do love throwing their hissies. They’re the champs of the universe, remember?
They know better. They should get a life – a real one.