It would appear the NOI ethnic is pervading scientology.
Nobody in their right mind would conduct a seminar called “Repair of the White Family.” They would of course be labeled as racist.
Why wouldn’t this simply be “Repairing the Family” (no matter what the skin color?)
When the NOI gets involved, apparently norms fly out the window.
Because they consider they have to fight for the black man in a white dominated world. They do not allow whites to attend their services. They are militantly pro-“black” and and anti-“white”, especially Jews.
Remember, this is the organization (scientology) that proclaims itself to be great champions of human rights and fight racism and bigotry wherever it raises its ugly head.
Except when it is inside scientology.
There is ultimately going to be a war for control of these two conflicting organizations — one is going to dominate and control the other.
Scientology wants the inroads into the black community. The NOI wants to take control of a massive real estate empire.
Based on this evidence, it seems the NOI is ahead on points.
here’s the list of activities
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/repair-of-the-black-family-tickets-62013563237
“Nobody in their right mind would conduct a seminar called “Repair of the White Family.” They would of course be labeled as racist.”
I do believe they covered that by talking about repairing ‘the family’, was/is which was understood to be white,by default. Ron, and as a result scientology, only saw whites as ‘upstat’ enough to put his attention on.Blacks fell into the “cleared cannibal” category.
And in the left corner we have, weighing in at over a billion in stolen cash + an extremely large global real estate portfolio is the Church of Scientology (hoops and hollers from 3 FSMs). And in the right corner we have the NOI. We don’t know how much money they have but they sure make up for it in hate (deathly silence).
Hitting below the belt is awarded double points. Now, touch your racist attitudes.
DING!
Miscavage has expensive lawyers. NOI will not be able to take CoS away from him.
“Miscavage has expensive lawyers. NOI will not be able to take CoS away from him.”
NOI won’t try to take it away; they’ll just make it unpalatable to davey and walk away with (or from) it as a result. NOI will never “take over” scn, as it’s too solidly anti-african in too many ways. At most, they’ll “become” scns the same way they “became” muslims.
There’s indeed no good reason to label things like that , though there is some empirical truth that African-American families tend to have a statistically higher rate of certain problems, but particularly those common among poor and disadvantaged populations in general. Groups like cults tend to over-simplify, generalize and categorize as part of their attraction and modus operandi.
I don’t think that the NOI will ever have enough of a foothold in Scientology’s structures of power, like the Sea Org and the various corporations that nominally control the organization, to actually take over. I think it’s more likely that there will just be some sort of ugly falling out, with the NOI walking away with whatever “tech” it has picked up and wants to continue to use, and possibly even some sort of schism around the time Farrakhan dies – the organization is already apparently suffering severe shrinkage, like Scientology, and likely has other lurking problems as well.
“there is some empirical truth that African-American families tend to have a statistically higher rate of certain problems, but particularly those common among poor and disadvantaged populations in general. ”
In the USA prior to 1966 the black family was MORE stable than the white family (both parents in home raising the children).
Cat W. —
This is the second time that you have attempted to educate us about the convenient and blatantly political redefinition of the word “racism.” This time is no more convincing than the first.
You say:
”“Racism” when used more correctly (according to the understanding developed by people who have studied racism in depth) means a systemic and historical abuse of power based on race, not any racial bigotry in any direction by individuals. In the US, and in fact, on the earth as a whole, racism in this sense does not go in two directions.”
As i said the last time you made this argument, I normally try *very* hard not comment using this screen name / identity / “valence” on politics, or indeed anything other than Scientology. Nonetheless, I feel compelled to state that I utterly and completely reject your comment. I find the attempt to redefine the words “racism” and “racist” for blatantly obvious political purposes to be *truly* objectionable.
Your reliance for the redefinition on “understanding developed by people who have studied racism in depth” is nothing but circular and tautological reasoning.
There is no scientific basis for this attempt to change the well-established and historical definitions of the words “racist” and racism.” None. The idea that the redefinition of the words “racism” and “racist” will lead to scientifically meaningful, falsifiable hypotheses (in the Popperian sense) is risible. Any argument the redefinition has any scientific purpose or effect is a joke.
The purposed redefinition is not necessary, does not serve to create clarity and at best can only serve to cause confusion. The term “institutional racism” is well-defined, well-understood, well-established and can and should be used were applicable. The term “systemic racism” is also well-defined, well-understood, well-established and can and should be used were applicable. To conflate meaning of the broad, general term “racism” with the (combined?) meanings of “systemic racism” and “institutional racism” serves only to reduce clarity and specificity.
The obvious purpose is to redefine the word “racism” so that White people, including Jewish people, can *by definition* never be the victims of racism. And so that Black people and other people of color can *by definition* never be guilty of racism, even when the victims are members of another historically oppressed group, a group that not that long ago survived their own Holocaust, the Jews.
For example,, Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad is racist. He is guilty of racism. Any attempt to say otherwise blatantly ignores the well-established and historical meaning of the words “racism’ and “racist. It does so for the patently obvious purpose of scoring political points, as well as advantaging in discourse one group (i.e., people of color) over another group (white people, including Jewish people).
Any attempt to argue, for example, that Jewish people are *not* the victims of racism, and that Tony Muhammad is not racist against Jewish and White people, is disgusting.
Seriously? When it comes to maintaining, let alone “repairing” families of any color, could there be a worse place to turn to than scientology?
Whom are they going to use as success stories for their “tech?” Hubbard, Miscavige, Cruise, Travolta? Countless Sear Org and Staff divorces? Disconnected families far and wide?
As Tommy Davis–adulterer and veteran of several divorces–claimed during his tenure as cult spokesperson: “Scientology isn’t breaking up families; we’re bringing them together.” (paraphrased). In Hubbard’s own tradition, this is a claim issued without any evidence; or more precisely, contrary to all evidence.
So take heed of Hubbard’s own advice: Don’t believe what you hear; believe what you see. And it won’t be too hard to settle the question whether one ought to turn to Hubbard or his minions for marital advice!
Of course, everyone here knows that a Scientologist “in good standing” will disconnect from a family member when ordered to do so by the cult.
What some may not know is that a Scientologist “in good standing” will quit a job, or fire an employee, or terminate a close friendship, end a love affair, divorce a spouse – any of the above or all of the above – when ordered to do so.
Now, if the Scientologist is a public, the order may not be, technically, and order.
But it WILL come across as an order, make no mistake.
Oh, and, while they’re + complying, they’ll get plenty of “help” and “support” from Ethics.
It appears at least one member of the Nation of Islam is going to be a Class 5 Auditor (and thus Scientology Minister) at the Church of Scientology of Columbus, Ohio. Note the woman pictured in upper left-hand corner.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/members-of-the-nation-of-islam-are-practicing-the-religion-of-scientology.43362/page-46#post-1210363
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Reliable statistics are nearly impossible to get but my guess is that very few NOIs have “official” certification from the CofS as scn auditors or “attesting” to OT levels. They talk the talk but from what I can tell they do some “Book One” DMSMH non metered auditing, some group processing and some communication training routines, TRs.
If they were making any big progress in scn proper I think they would be bragging it up much more on social media. Metered auditing of NOIs by other NOIs is in the distant future if ever. In the meantime they are allowed use scn facilities to talk about diet and family relationships which allows the CofS to say it’s community oriented. Maddening but factual.
Scientology is metered auditing with session notes and a Case Supervisor. Anything less is squirrel. NOI scn auditors would currently be under the auspices and control of the CofS which is no threat to the CofS.
When and if the NOI gets enough of their own auditors, case supervisors and other administrative personnel they could break free of the CofS. At that point they could go to the Indies if there are any still around and get some “Old School Pure Hubbard” training. Good luck with that.
I would be interested to see what would happen if a mixed family showed up to this even. How would the dynamic work with a black husband and white wife, and would it be different if it were a white husband and a black wife? Oh, to be a fly on the wall…
There is a very real reason a seminar on Repairing the Black Family is different in nature from one on Repairing the White Family. White families have not over a long period of time been subject to the same level of damage based on factors that do not also affect minority families who are their demographic peers. Historically, black families have been split apart by racist policies that weakened family bonds, by a society that undervalued and feared them. Native Americans and other minority groups have been subject to the same treatment, by different methods. By claiming otherwise we deny not only that racism fails to affect minority groups disproportionately now, but also that it ever did. Please read: https://thegrio.com/2018/06/20/split-up-families/
I am a white person, I do not agree with the beliefs of NOI, and I do not believe that racism only goes one way today. What I do believe is that the power structure in this and other countries has and does negatively affect minority groups more than white people, and that we need to put societal measures in place to balance the playing field until all Americans have the same opportunities for advancement economically and socially.I
A segment of society exists who were, by mandate, as few as one or two generations back, ineligible for college admission, prejudicially overlooked in hiring, stuck in sub-par children’s schools and housing, and divided to the extent of not even being allowed to drink from the same water fountains as other groups. The first step to resolving racism of any kind is to unite people by understanding what circumstances they face in life.
And if you wonder if this is relevant to the discussion about Scientology abuses, just read what Hubbard wrote about different races and then apply that to the fact that ex-Scientologists in this community are overwhelmingly white, due to the systematic exclusion from Scientology recruiting that they themselves can be deduced to have participated in, for whatever reason. The only black group actively pursued by Scientologists is this bunch of NOI crackpots, just so Miscabbage can claim to be equitable. There are differences in how people live in America because of race, in the past and still today
I don’t ever recall “systematic exclusion” of any race in Scientology (1970’s-1980’s). Caucasians seemed to be the most interested.
Groups do often seem to have particular demographics to which they appeal – it’s a phenomenon I’ve noticed, and is particularly obvious in church denominations. Scientology somehow taps more into European-American culture – and in some ways is almost a peculiar product of California, the only place it has ever really thrived – and isn’t more broadly attractive, which also effectively debunks its claims to universality.
As I noted elsewhere, the NOI is a essentially a phenomenon peculiar to African-Americans living in the industrial cities of the North after the Great Migration, and has virtually no presence and apparently no appeal in the South. The original NOI (from before the schism in which Farrakhan came to power) did attempt to establish model communities in rural areas of the South – they never really took hold, and are dying out.
Apparently, black people when approached can be very attracted to Scientology, as seen in the adoption by NOI members.
Very well said, Quark.
Thank, you, Aquamarine. 😀
If you were having a relationship with someone while knowing that, at any time, and for any reason, the person you were having a relationship could be taken away, and that you would probably never see him or her again., this fear might impinge somewhat on your desire to give your heart to this person.
If this person you’re having a relationship with had this same fear about you, i.e., that any moment, and for any reason, YOU could be taken away, and that he/she would never see you again , I suggest to you that this MIGHT color his or her view of the INADVISABILITY of forming lasting attachments, pun intended.
On top of this fear, that the two of you, as a couple, along with any children you had together, could be rent apart, suddenly, without warning – on top ot THIS, if, it also happened to be the LAW that you could NOT legally marry – this might just cinch it for the way you handle your personal relationships.
If, like a barnyard animal, you were owned, and encouraged by your owner to propagate frequently and indiscriminately so that your owner would receive more bodies to do more work for him – encouraged to indulge your lusts and create children with no responsibility for rearing or welfare of those children – because they’re not yours, they’re owned, as you are owned – if this is how you live, and how your ancestors lived for 250 years – you might have a decidedly casual attitude about sex and the creating of another human life.
Even apart from man/woman relationships, living under these conditions and rules might make a person VERY wary of becoming emotionally attached to ANYBODY.
Oh, but this is all OVER now, right? These people are free now. They need to get with the program now, and stop living in the past – right?
Yeah, sure.
Well, it doesn’t quite work that way, if you’ve noticed.
Is there really a different nature to it, when it comes down to dealing with individual families? There may be a different history to it, but that’s only arguably relevant in some broader contexts such as sociological studies and policy-making.
It’s vaguely relevant to the real topic at hand to note that the NOI aren’t even a representative population of their ethnic or sociological group, but, as in Scientology, a very winnowed-down and self-selected minority. For instance, the NOI has almost no presence in the South – just as Scientology somehow doesn’t seem to do well in various regions of the US – because it’s apparently not attractive to blacks or black families there; it’s a unique phenomenon among those who uprooted themselves to move to the North, mostly during the Great Migration.
Aaron Smith Levin did a breakdown of estimated Scientology members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yj2vXFWlU
Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, Arron Smith Levin, Tony Ortega and others have done a remarkable job of denying this cult new members. The Aftermath Foundation helps existing members to get out.
It is a very real possibility that the Nation of Islam infiltrates (Sorry – “Joins”) Scientology and with sheer numbers, takes over completely in a decade or so. Miscavage is so fixated on money coming in, that he will not notice until it is too late. However it pans out, the truth will be stranger than fiction.
Very few NOIs have enough money to pay for the Scientology “bridge”. It’s a nothing-burger imo.
Very few NOIs have enough money to pay for the scientology “bridge”. It’s a nothing -burger other than a curiosity piece imo.
I hope they devour each other completely. Wouldn’t that be the greater good for the greater number.
“I hope they devour each other completely”. Yes, this would be the greatness good for the greatest number. Mine eyes have seen the GLORY of taking this fucking cult and and demolish it.
Whew! I’m done.
When the crunch comes, both sides will just walk away from each other. It is not worth anyone’s time to fight each other. Both scam fairly different markets.
I do want to know how many NOI families there are in London, UK?
Mike,
“Racism” when used more correctly (according to the understanding developed by people who have studied racism in depth) means a systemic and historical abuse of power based on race, not any racial bigotry in any direction by individuals. In the US, and in fact, on the earth as a whole, racism in this sense does not go in two directions. It is the systematic and institutionalized oppression of people of color by lighter skinned groups. The more current term is “racialization” to describe this as an action committed by one group against another group — distinct from prejudices going in a variety of directions. Racism devalues and oppresses people of color while giving people of European ancestry exclusive membership in a club with many privileges at the expense of those devalued. It’s embedded in our language and institutions.
Like you, I’m opposed to NOI as a high-control cult. However, I don’t like how many former Scientologists are so eager to call anything that is about helping Black people resist the effects of actual racism as “racism.” It’s not. You’re mis-using the term. Please do deeper research on racism in this country. You can make the same point by saying “racial bigotry,” “racial prejudice,” or “hatred” without contributing to this confusion. It’s a serious problem that often blinds people of European ancestry from seeing what racism is or noticing the real harm done. When people who experience the privileges (without recognizing them as such) fail to make this distinction, it actually helps perpetuate the whole system of racism.
Thanks, I was not aware there was a distinction between racial bigotry, racial prejudice and racial hatred from racism. I appreciate the insight.
Um, nope. The word “racism,” by definition, does NOT mean white people discriminating against “people of color” (God I hate that term — everyone has “color”). Racism is ANY discrimination based on a person’s race (another term I loathe, as we’re all humans). Yes, there is institutionalized racism, but that doesn’t always mean whites discriminating against blacks. NAACP is by nature a racist organization. Black Panthers? Yep. And affirmative action has always been, and always will be, racist because it favors online group over other based on race. Our history is so complicated that you do us all a huge disservice by oversimplifying the problem, and I suggest that it is YOU who needs to do a little more research into our history, and look at it objectively. Turn off your little activist circuit for a while, and look into the fact that the biggest slave holders in New Orleans just before the Civil War (which wasn’t a civil war, btw) were blacks. And also maybe investigate the fact that the Five Civilized Nations of Indians, as they were being forced west by the US Army, took THEIR slaves with them… Look at the fact that the Hand Up Don’t Shoot stupidity was founded entirely on a lie, and then look at statistics that show that a white man is far more likely to get shot by a cop today, because cops will hesitate to pull the trigger for fear of public backlash. Interesting, isn’t it, how a Black Student Union can exist on a college campus, but God help the person who tries to start a White Student Union? And the fact that black students are given at least a 30-point bonus on SAT scores, while Asian students are penalized?
I am not saying there is no racism. I AM saying that it is far more complex than “bad whitey, and the issue needs a lot more effort spent on it, and needs to be dealt with equitably, the good, bad, and ugly, or as Oliver Cromwell said, “warts and all.”
I disagree with the characterization of affirmative action as a racist policy. The reason I say that is because it was not established as a way to discriminate against white people, but rather to overcome the lack of opportunities available to black people that comes from institutionalized poverty stemming from generations of racial oppression.
Poverty as a result of oppression still disproportionately affects black people world-wide. Economically disadvantaged families cannot afford safe housing, private schools, enrichment programs, tennis lessons, band instruments, health care, etcetera for their children. Even public schools derive their funding from taxes paid by the parents in their area, so communities in poverty have lower quality public schools.
The inequity in opportunities for black youth versus white start at birth. By claiming that there is now a level playing field because segregation ended 50 years ago is denying that prosperity has never been unequally available.
Centuries of institutionalized racism are simply being balanced today by policies that offer opportunities to black people who have been subject to its lasting effects. In my opinion it is actually too little, too late.
it is not true either that affirmative action gives advantage to recipients who weaken the company or school in question. Studies have found that individuals who are hired, or admitted to schools, under affirmative action perform as well as their white peers.
The yoke of oppression does not end when the harness is removed, if the ox is still whipped and it’s body is broken. (I am using this as a metaphor lest anybody wants to negate my argument claiming i am calling black people beasts of the field.)
Quark you are WRONG. Blacks have been impoverished since before they met anyone else. When blacks can become head of this country, became exceedingly rich (one of the only BILLIONAIRE musicians in the WORLD is BLACK) dominate the high paying positions in most sports organizations, THEY ARE NOT BEING OPPRESSED.
I disagree with your characterization of the NAACP as a racist organization. NAACP.is aimed towards the advancement of people who are chronically disadvantaged, in the same way that disabled people are chronically disadvantaged by living in a society which has not had equal interest in accommodating their circumstances.
The organization does not favor denying white people advantages, but giving assistance to people who have been denied access to advancement for centuries. I believe this is vital to us as a nation and is our responsibility to right past wrongs that still affect many Americans.
Also, NAACP works on programs that improve circumstances for white people as well as black, in their support of equal access in voting, housing, and other general civil rights areas.
Quark said, ” disagree with your characterization of the NAACP as a racist organization.”
Then you missed a series of undercover videos about 18-20 years ago of their upper management internal meetings where they were saying the most vile and racist things about white people in general.
Quick lookup of racism brought me:”racist |ˈrāsist|
noun
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
adjective
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another: we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club.”
Thus, IMNHO, both sides of this particular discussion are ‘right’ to a certain extent. Hubbard saw himself, thus his clones as superior to everyone else, the NOI leadership
preaches that Blacks, being the original humans, are inherently superior to white, particularly Jews
I’m really confused about why Jewish people are singled out?
🙂
“Thanks, I was not aware there was a distinction between racial bigotry, racial prejudice and racial hatred from racism. I appreciate the insight.”
Thanks, Mike, for receiving my comment in the spirit in which it was offered and responding in kind.
To clarify to anyone who took it otherwise:
Obviously, I wasn’t talking about strict dictionary definitions. Words and usages evolve over time. For example, “imbecile” and “moron” used to be medical terms but have become merely pejoratives. You can still find the old definitions in the dictionary. Words used in technical contexts often have more specific meanings than outside them.
People who study racism have developed this usage of the word in that manner. It offers a solution to the problem of needing to distinguish garden-variety, individual-level bigotry from the systemic, institutionalized racism that developed on this planet and still has power in the U.S. That is not to say that bigotry of all sorts isn’t wrong or hurtful. However, if people throw the term “racism” around to refer to both, a pernicious reality is missed, where an epidemic of white police officers killing unarmed black children is equated with someone expressing rage in an impolite manner. Or white emotional fragility about facing this structural reality is framed as some kind of activism against real oppression. People can be offended by whatever they want, but it’s important to be able to analyze institutionalized oppression, and people who do so have advocated for reserving the word “racism” for the institutionalized form as evidenced by several centuries of history. This form does not, at this time and on this planet, go in 2 directions.
Cat W.
I included the statement about racism going in both ways because that concept is the knee-jerk reaction when racism is called out. I deeply believe that what is called ‘reverse racism’ is irrelevant to decreasing the advantages of ‘white prejudice’. But you always have to include reverse racism in the discussion because if you deny it then white people will ignore everything else you say. Unfortunate but true.
Technically, by definition in Merriam-Webbster, individuals can propagate racism, as racism has a secondary meaning of prejudice, which can mean universally.applied bias based on race. But i hate it when someone says black people are racists simply because they desire equality. That is the first step towards the denial that racism has unequal effects.
Cat, this is the biggest load of bullshit than I have seen in a couple of decades.
OED: racism; The theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race.
I too can invent new definitions to fit my agend. Racism: anyone who doesn’t agree with Wynski and love his ideas. This is NOT bidirectional and it isn’t racism if I disagree with anyone and hate their ideas.
To raise the bodies in the shop stat, turn it into a debate and invite members of the KKK and The Aryan Brotherhood.
You’re being funny, Scribe, but the truth is, if the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood leaders forged an agreement with Miscavige for their members to do Scientology en masse, Miscavige wouldn’t turn it down. Seriously, I’m not being funny. All money is green, and all entheta is just the reactive mind, don’t you know, so why not?
And now I an being funny: Flag could host regular “Cross Burning Night”s. The cult could give Richard Spencer an IAS Freedom Medal. The outer org promo could show photos of staff and public in white sheets and hoods at fundraising events…Spirit of Play…such fun…that pirate and cowboy stuff has been done to death, after all.
Scribe, it’s obvious that the current scn “leadership” doesn’t care about “bodies in the shop”. Still, that suggestion is FUNNY. I expect that if you got the KKK and Aryan Brotherhood together, they’d fight over which was more radical.
Jere, I’m sure that Miscavige’s regime is doing what they can to get “bodies in the shop.” But BIS has been going down ever since Hubbard’s day, when Scientology’s continually failed promises started to wear thin, and there’s little that can be done to sell dated, failed techniques that even run the risk of making people go PTS Type III (psychotic, think Lisa McPherson).
No indie org in the last 7 decades has been able to solve the problem of getting “bodies in the shop” either, which proves that it’s insoluble. It’s like trying to sell horse buggy whips in the 21st century.
Ahead on points, huh? What kind of ‘points’ are we talking about?
I personally think the points are that DM will have met his match and may lose that sweet apartment he lives in. Oh yes, and the cars, and the private jet, and let us not forget a few billion dollars plus millions in real estate.
Sadly, I think DM is no dummy and has squirreled (pardon the expression 😉 away enough $ that as soon as it gets too hot, either internally or externally, he will disappear faster than my paycheck never to be seen again. At least on this continent.
Well, you are probably right smokkee911, but we can dream. What would be great is with this “merger” maybe, maybe just maybe, someone will cross a line that even the LAPD can’t sweep under the rug.
Peggy I have the same dream. I would love nothing better than to see DM stripped of all power and thrown to the prison wolves (altho more than likely he would be put in protective custody). And I’d be willing to bet it would be like a Warren Jeffs rerun…mental breakdown over said loss, but then rising from the ashes like a culty Phoenix and would run everything from there. I highly doubt we would get a fairy tail ending out of it. I think the only way to successfully get rid of DM for good would have to be some kind of internal coup. Not willing to bet on that I’m afraid. 🙁
Someone like Miscavige would never be satisfied unless he were in a position of power, with minions to abuse. As Hubbard showed, the money is really secondary. While I would almost expect that Scientology has some backup plan to retreat to a base in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US, I doubt that Miscavige has a plan to just flee on his own. History shows that totalitarian leaders almost always hold on to the bitter end, and often even die trying to cling to power.
I hope you’re right…
smokkee911, the use of “squirreled” is entirely ppropriate when used describing Miscavige. Don’t apologize when its use results in a nice turn of phrase.
Yes smokkee911, on his own and without taking undeclared church $, DM is a millionaire. HE will have no money problems after the church collapses.
Church of Scientology associating with the NOI and their racist leader Tony Muhammad* who got the IAS (International Association of Scientologists) Freedom Medal awarded personally by Scientology leader David Miscavige**:
“Tony Muhammad searching for a “good” White man – “I might have found a half of one.””
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of3Tsc_Wb8I
(at 8:44) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSZmtzI3ydE
Miscavige and Farrakhan are cut from the same cloth. We shall see which of them is the most ruthless.
For the sake of deniability, Miscavige has to hire mercenaries to carry out his dirtiest of deeds. In addition to his own private army (Fruit of Islam), Farrakhan likely has a personal guard willing to carry out any order he gives.
My money is on Farrakhan.
Yep.
I could see that it is possible that Miscavige has ordered/covered up/conspired in the death of a person.
It is HIGHLY probable that Farrakhan has directly ordered at least one murder.
COB is out of his league.
Scientology is an empty shell. NOI is ruthless, disciplined, and highly indoctrinated. COB isn’t creating $cientologists out of NOI, NOI is infiltrating $cientology.
Well stated, Kyle, especially “COB isn’t creating $cientologists out of NOI, NOI is infiltrating $cientology.”
Particularly ironic and psychotic since L. Con Hubtard was an anti black racist pig.
I wonder when this marriage between the Church of Scientology and NOI all goes wrong, who’s head will roll? Jim Mathers’? Alfreddie’s? Tony Muhammad’s (or whatever his new name is)? or maybe david miscavige’s? maybe all of the above.
Oh! Absolutely it will fall apart. It’s all falling apart. What are we down to now, 18,000? Less? Either way it’s not good for the Dwarf.
Either scenario is very frightening. Given a choice on how bad things could get, right now scientology seems the lesser of the two evils (and I think I just choked on my tongue just THINKiNG that!). NOI spews more hate filled rhetoric that Scientology does, and having that much capital behind them could get very ugly indeed. I’m voting for the third possibility: they cancel each other out and destroy the entire thing with infighting!
“Infighting” is flourishing and prospering in the heartland
of Muslims (the Arab countries) for hundreds of years. Very
similar to the European countries not that long ago. What
finally changed in Europe? Civilization, being civil.
Scientology and NOI could use some of that.
Muslim extremists were strong supporters of Hitler. On the eastern front Soviet Muslims had abandoned the Soviet army to fight with Hitler. The Nazis and these Muslim extremists had common ideologies and common enemies. They both hated the Jews.
Hitler recruited Arabs and Muslims for service in the German military and SS police. Based on the rhetoric from the leaders of NOI, I wonder how the relationship between Miscavige and the NOI will evolve.
This relationship will not “evolve”. The relationship between the them is transactional one between 2 cults. Scientology is a rich, shrinking cult that needs Bodies In The Shop and a facade of being non-discriminatory, NOI is a poor, shrinking cult that needs money and a facade of respectability.
Whine Alert:
I miss the edit button, waaaaa waaaaa.
Aquamarine tossed out or consideration:
“Whine Alert:
I miss the edit button, waaaaa waaaaa.”
I’m with ya’. I really had some things to clean up in my reply last night. I gotta remember to review & proofread better before punching “post”.
OOPs! Hit “Post” too quickly:
‘or consideration should have been ‘For consideration’ Now…. Did I miss some screw-up in THIS comment?