It is an endless source of amazement how scientologists buy the idea that every word Hubbard spoke or wrote is some sort of brilliant revelation. Much of it is gibberish, particularly his “research track.” Many of the things he stated as absolute fact he later repudiated — though he typically characterized it as “further research revealed…”
But that implies the former assertion of fact was based on research, and not just meanderings he tossed off which then proved not to be fact when he sold a newer technique. And I do mean “sold”…
Yet today, the foolishness he wrote about in the early 50’s in particular is simply reprinted and everyone is supposed to ooh and aah about the genius of it, even if he later said his theories were NOT true.
The sign of the mind that has been convinced it can no longer think for itself is the insistence that everything someone says is true, despite evidence to the contrary, including a plain reading of what is said.
Here is a perfect example. It reads like something Lewis Carroll would have been proud of.
This quote is supposed to inspire you to greater understanding and enlightenment? And this is something they actually CHOSE to publish to promote buying his books and lectures?
For those who may still be a little confused about it despite reading what he said, here is some “clarification” from Hubbard’s Advanced Procedure and Axioms.
I am sure this will make it all abundantly clear.
The Evolution of Man
Man evidently began as a monocell, without inter-cellular relation problems. He developed by counter-efforts to a degree which banded together many cells with one central control center. He joined then with a second control center and, dual, evolved organically into Man.
The problems of the monocell by itself were strenuous but uncomplicated, having relationship only with the environment in its grossest form – pure MEST. These problems included such phenomena as the explosion of cosmic rays. The problems of a cellular colony under one control center were yet similar to those of the monocell. The protagonist had but one personality and one antagonist – MEST. Vegetable and invertebrate problems are found in this period.
The problems of the dual control stage began severely and continued in confusion. Interpersonal relations, when in difficulty, have their foot in the elementary problems of the dual control problems wherein the current control center confuses its ancient problems with its partner center with the problems the organism may have with other individuals in the environment.
The evolution of Man presents many fascinating aspects but all have basic simplicities. There are, essentially, only two sets of problems: The problems between the control center of the mind and the elements; the problem of the control center of the mind with its alternate control center. An auditor need only resolve, in any case, the essential basic confusions of the preclear in each of these two sets.
This caption is a bit out of context. LRH is commenting on how the hemispheres of the brain control eaches opposite side of the body. This has been common knowledge in biology for many years preceding his work and he didn’t claim to have discovered this. He was commenting on it and speculating on why it came to be.
The book, HOM, is a sort of catalogue of the experiences during the early evolutionary stages of man`s genetic line. The genetic timeline is distinct from the theta timeline, which both converge after early homo erectus appeared.
So, as an example of contradictory drivel, this doesn’t stand. I’ve always understood this information to be background info relevant to some early tried processing techniques that were discarded in favor of almost exclusive focus on the theta timeline. Heh… historic background information 🙂 so to speak.
I’m sure we can find a better example than this.
That’s what I thought too…until I listened to the damn lecture and heard him talking about upper and lower “control centers” as well. Seriously, it’s gobbledygook.
Regarding HOM, Hubbard later claimed that some of those incidents were part of the Darwinian implant, that there’s no such thing as evolutionary lines and that thetans simply “mocked up” bodies and “adjusted” them accordingly. (Errors in Time, 18 July 1963)
Yeah. And it doesn’t match with the definition in the Tech Dictionary either which Foolproof directed us to.
The “control centers” described in the captions aren’t exactly the same thing as the holy sacred tech dictionary definition, which neglects alternate definitions for things that aren’t entirely specialized in meaning. Given the context above, he’s using the term in a less specialized sense. Eh.. at least that’s how I see it.
Okay. So this is some of Hubbard/Scientology speculation on the missing link and how evolution progressed on earth to the point of self aware entities inhabiting human bodies. Early on Hubbard and possibly associates experimented with techniques to allow differentiation between humans being entrapped in MEST and physical bodies with one life to live as opposed to being, by nature, incorporeal (disembodied) with continuing consciousness.
Being trained in the physical sciences, I rapidly saw that LRH had BOTH some pieces of knowledge as well as many huge gaps of understanding. For example on the student hat tapes, his comments about Einstein and relativity showed that his knowledge was quite superficial but just enough to potentially impress people never trained on this highly specialized subject (as if Einstein did not know that light travels slower in a solid medium! Wow!) and went on to describe what is known as Snell’s law discovered in the 1600’s. This supposed “correction” of Einstein was totally laughable but was further compounded by an air of being in possession of higher levels of knowledge, “letting it be known” but without actually saying so. I noticed that recurring theme regarding the subjects of science and philosophy. After many such observations, reinforced by his own statements about having flunked his maths and physics courses (hum, really?), my conclusion at the time was: He has MUs himself and large gaps in his science education. I did not particularly begrudge him because of that, as who isn’t sometimes subject to misguided ideas due to incomplete and erroneous data? I didn’t get into Scn and Dn to learn about the physical sciences, I am just going to take his comments with a grain of salt. After all I am more interested about his knowledge about Man, Life, and the resolution of my very personal issues.
THAT is where he completely got my attention, because he sure had an ample affluence of experience in all sorts of ways, and being in all kinds of adventures , endeavors, and I suspected not always savory.
I knew prior to getting into Scientology two different ways to know about different “types” of people. That (roughly) the best person to tell a lier and the mechanics and tricks of a lier is an experienced lier. And one can substitute for “lier” any other type such as con man, criminal, thief, drug addict, alcoholic, interestingly enough as well the more social types associated with competence, fairness, honest etc . . . Basically if you are or have been “one” yourself, you’re really going to be able to tell. Not absolute, but works pretty well. The second way is to live with, study, experiment, and deal with at a high level of intensity the type of people one is interested in. Well I did not know which, or both, we were dealing with as far as he was concerned.
Was he, or had be been, a criminal, con man, drug addict, . . ., and that’s how he could write so precisely and thoroughly about people and the lower levels of the tone scale? Or was he just able, like so many other writers, to have those extraordinary powers of observation and interaction with life resulting in such fantastically real works of “fiction” populated with complex but thoroughly consistent characters?
At the time I was thoroughly impressed with Science of Survival, the theta-MEST theory and the incisive description of the tone levels. Ok, enough for now for my story.
Mike, see what more ramblings your rambling post brought about 🙂
“(as if Einstein did not know that light travels slower in a solid medium! Wow!)”
Yeah, that freaked me out when I first encountered it on St Hat at CC Portland while doing Supervisor training. He took a pot shot at Einstein while displaying his ignorance of the subject of relativity (the speed of light is only a constant in a vacuum). Newton had figured out how prisms work centuries earlier.
I did at least figure out from it that Hubbard talked shit about things he didn’t really understand, which was an important point. I got past my initial freakout, figured I wasn’t studying him specifically for physics, although I was still rather disappointed because one of the reasons I did get into Scn was I was always interested in the junction between mysticism, epistemology, and science, especially physics. When I got in I thought maybe I would be able to gain some insight into real physics. Erm, didn’t work out that way.
I was only disappointed at that point. What I didn’t know at the time was that he had actually called himself a “nuclear physicist” in the original version of “All About Radiation”. If I had seen that earlier I would have known earlier that Hubbard was really a fraudster and not “mankind’s greatest friend”.
Way back when….my then 6 1/2 yr old daughter came home from her 1st grade class with a 5 x 7 lovely Certificate with a big Gold Star on it…when I asked her what this Award was all about she proudly stated:
” I got 100 on my Hemri conshun test”……..I chuckled at bit and then replied: ” I think you mean your Comprehension Test”…. “Yes, Mommy THAT’S the one”….
From the mouths of babes, she made more sense than an of Lron’s writing “pap”…
” He knows enough to be dangerous ”
A saying that might have originated in the engineering world .
Please forgive me, Nat King Cole. Ahem, ahem…
Ramblin’ Ron, ramblin’ Ron
From your lips came your rambling con
Vile and over blown, that’s how you’ve grown
We’re so glad your gone, ramblin’ Ron
Rambled on, you just rambled on
Til’ your ramblin’ days were done
Now who loves you, with a love true
Now that your ramblin’ days are gone
I’m not 100% sure of this Mike, but I think this is how it goes. Maybe JP Capital and Jeffrey Augustine money project can enlighten us.
Hubbard creates dianetics, and then scientology, thus these become religious. Hubbard also creates Bridge Publications and ASI, these are not religious but book selling, this has to do with tangible income and non tangible income.
Hubbard actually made his income thru selling his books, lectures, or words or ideas. DM has followed in the same as making all members buy the “Basics”. We must also remember before the “Basics”, why there were constant new tapes and lectures being sold.
Of course, reading and listening to Hubbard thru the “Basics” is simply indoctrination or as Chuck mentions “captive audience” which could also be called a cult, captive audience.
I wonder what the research is on the two halves of our brain and reading through each eye’s portal shunting word content into that opposite brain hemisphere and thus is that word content and the microsecond further brain thinking processes continuing to be halved into sort of brain hemispheres which are momentarily two main “control” centers before our brain reverberates and sends or neuronally crosses back and forth between the two brain hemisphere as it digests the words coming in our TWO eyes?
The micro timing of our brain hemispheres doing their things surely has something to do with our conceptions of this “dual” control center Hubbard writing speculation.
Hubbard’s stuff today is skippable in any case.
I think my Thetan is a monocell. As far as I know there’s only one of me. When I first started interacting with the other Thetans popping up out of the Sea of Theta, which is like a sea of champagne with each bubble popping up being a monocell Thetan, THAT’S when the problems started! Hey, we all started somewhere, didn’t we?
Okay folks, I admit that I can’t add 2 and 2 without a calculator, but I’ve always had a very high reading comprehension level and only have one comment regarding the above, and that is WTF?!?!?!? I guess Hubbard must have thought that most people would be too embarrassed to admit that they didn’t understand this drivel??
Well, Hubbard originally thought he could convince everyone how this was true.
But he then changed his mind and came up with newer “research” and abandoned this.
The crazier thing than him writing it is that in 2018 people are still defending it like “look at this amazing breakthrough.” When Hubbard himself said this was a crock of shit when he came up with a new theory a bit later on.
To any of you clams or Indies out there (Foolproof?), I offer you this challenge: Copy out the passage from Hubbard’s “Evolution of Man” above. Take his name off it. Show it to a good philosophy, psychology or English professor – someone completely neutral – and ask him or her to break it down and tell you what it means. Surely, if it’s as profound as you believe it to be, the prof validate its profundity. Go ahead; do it.
What exactly have good professors of psychology and philosophy actually achieved for the human race then to warrant that one should seek their approval? I’m all ears…
They teach critical thinking, the opposite of what Scientology teaches.
And where has it got them?
Being able to think critically… and stay out of cults.
Not very far then, I see. They decided to stay in the “Cult” of the human race.
FP —
Now the human race is a cult?!
Just when I thought you couldn’t say anything more asinine…. apparently I was wrong.
I won’t even attempt to answer such a profoundly no-nothing question like this. A couple of things though: 1. You didn’t mention English professors. 2. I said nothing about “seeking approval” – your words, not mine. I simply suggested you take Hubbard’s words, without his name attached and give it to anyone skilled in logic or rhetoric. Professors came to mind, but it wouldn’t have to be specifically an academician. If you’re “all ears,” they’re apparently stuffed with cotton.
Hubbard’s “research” was sequestering himself in a room and seeing where his imagination took him. When he came across something he liked and thought would sell, he announced it as a discovery.
Foolproof seems a bit out of place on this forum; kind of like a KKK member at an NAACP convention.
But I am “loved” apparently! And people tune in whenever they see my name in the comments list – Mike will confirm it. Surely? And also I think it must lessen people’s feelings of committing overts when they start to think a bit about the drivel and lies they normally write. So, I will leave you with my parting shot of “Heil Rinder”, or should that have been Hubbard? You tell me as “assumption” seems to be the name of the game here.
Toodle-oo Foolproof.
Good grief. This is what I would call ‘verbal diarrhoea”.
Yup, Quebecgirl ! ” ‘verbal diarrhoea”, combined with mental constipation
Touché!
And I agree. 🙂
In the past, the seduction was elaborate and the brainwashing painstaking. In this modern day of the internet and social media, to become (Or remain) a scientologist requires that one must take a simpleton’s leap into the acceptance of any uttering that came out of the mouth of a conman with a typewriter and a thesaurus.
Oh and speaking of simpletons, please choose to attend the cinema and support any theatrical project that DOES NOT include Tom Cruise, one who aids and abets the criminal organization scientology.
To celebrate Ron’s convoluted verbiage, here’s a little ditty for Dave who continues in the word salad tradition with his inimitable Shermanspeak blatherings.
Davey, Davey, so many folks done blew
You’re half crazy stuck with an SP crew
Because you’re a total moocher
It won’t be a great future
But you’ll look sweet, chained to your seat
In a prison cell built for two
This is perfect and very funny!
can you imagine ? reading bullshit from somebody who is not even a politician? he should have stuck with science fiction.
With a cellmate named Bubba.
A good place to test his Tone 40.
I would say the best place for tone 40. But Bubba probably has a say in this situation.
Bubba’s got Tone 80.
Never pass a gibberish that you don’t fully understand. If you find that your brain hurts and your eyes are glazing over, go back to just before you had that feeling and simply run away.
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There he goes again, totally exaggerating the “The problems of the monocell by itself were strenuous”. I think I see a pattern here from this con man.
I now have the utmost respect for those that had a hard time on course.
They were made to feel stupid, something was wrong with their cases, labeled as inferior slow students and paid dearly to have student remedies to comprehend this word salad.
I don’t dwell on this, but I have MS, and lesions on my white matter, (I didn’t even know about white matter!), which can sometimes cause confusion. I’m doing really well though and grateful for it, but sometimes it’s really tempting to blame things one it. (I don’t) Anyway, good to know that many of you who actually took the classes are just as confused as I was trying to get through LRH’s….whatever you call that. My conclusion was – what? Maybe he had lesions on his white matter 🙂 That might explain his ramblings.
Peggy, I was a very good student. I was all set money and every other -wise to do my Levels (train as an auditor) but was told that I had to do The Basics first (a series of so-called “beginning” courses that ALL Scientologsts had to do before they could become Scientology auditors.) This was something new to me, this prereq, and I asked for a reference and was verbally informed that there was no reference but tough luck, I had to do the Basics ANYWAY, so get on them. This reference comes from one of the courses on the Basics that I completed. It was just reading. We were not required to demonstrate any understanding. Which was good because It all made no or little sense to me. Doing this course in particular blew my mind because I kept thinking about the effect it would have on a NEW person in Scientology. HUGELY wrong, icredibly outgradient. Not that I’m that smart but I LIKED clearing words, looking up meanings of words in dictionaries which was why I usually did well on Scientology courses. All I can tell you about THIS course is that – well, the gist of the ENTIRE course is that if someone you love dies and that person has been an ally to you (on your side, helped you when others didn’t, etc.) then, when that person DIES, you might do a “life continuum” for that person, i.e., “become” that person by adopting what were that loved one’s goals in life and including taking on the deceased’s habits, speech patterns, etc., as an attempt to keep that person “alive”. Now, I’ll be honest: I believe that this theory has some validity. I’ve observed this with myself and with people I’ve known well who lost “allies”. That said, there were SO many tapes, going on an on and on, with the above convoluted language very typical; I was irritated as I believed it could all have been easily condensed and the points more clearly made. And so, I just skimmed thru this course. Believe me, the language is VERY convoluted and for the most part unintelligible.
Ron sorely lacked an editor.
OMG, yes.
Thank you for this Aquamarine. “Your” explanation I understand,
Peggy,
If you and I were in Scientology and you had questions ir were confused in any way about the course all I would be allowed to do would be to refer the correct text to you and have you read it and clear any words you didn’t understand. Explaining it to you as I just did in my own words is STRICTLY forbidden! But I’m a BDA now with no containment for my evil, so, you’re most welcome 🙂
So happy to hear that you lost your container for evil Aquamarine. Whewww, that has to be a relief 🙂 Thanks again for this teaching moment.
🙂
Aqua – Thanks for this information. I left scn in 1982 and don’t recall being required to read or listen to any of this stuff. The auditor training was streamlined with only references to how and why the processes (procedures) worked – or didn’t if that’s what someone believes. That’s not to say a lot of work and study wasn’t involved, but someone could become a competent dianetic and scn grades auditor if they went at it full time for a few months.
In turn, thank you, Richard. Yes, having to be a Basics completion before beginning auditor training was something pulled right out of DMs ass. No one could show me a reference for this and when I pointed out to the ED that this was verbal data being given me about prereqs for doing the Levels, all I got was a blank look and a repetition of what I’d just been told. They’re so far afield, no wonder they’re failing and shrinking miserably. But they know better and they go along with this insanity anyway so its just as much their fault by being knowing enablers.
Scientology diet: raw meat and kool-aid.
Hey! Don’t forget the baked clams and baloney!
Right, and sheep dip on the side.
MJM: make that raw word salad and warm kool-aid. I like Aqua’s clams and baloney as an appetizer.
don’t forget the cigarettes. They’re good for you!
Always have a few with my Cal Mag.
I am now officially nauseous.
Haha – the weekly meeting of the Misunderstood Words and Glee club takes place yet again where all those loonies with a bee in their bonnets can vent forth and admit to going past their misunderstoods and being dog-gone stupid. Really though this is just bait (a “technical” article) for me – to utter a comment as Mike’s stats have crashed and he needs some contention to pep things up. It’s not even as if the LRH statement was controversial or outlandish, pretty straightforward stuff that even a child could understand. Why you would all want to start bleating and moaning about it is beyond not just me but most people I would think.but then Mike must be getting desperate as Back Porch Brian and Spontaneously Combusting “OTVIII” Lucifer seem to have found better things to do. Ho hum!
Perhaps a brainwashed, indoctrinated child could understand and reproduce this tripe, as you apparently have done. However, if someone with an actual scientific education reads this, they recognize it for what it is: the ostententatious and scientifically incorrect ramblings of an uninformed, uneducated madman. His verifiable grades show he wasn’t very book-smart.
http://www.bible.ca/scientology-hubbard-grades.htm
Too many MUs, I guess. The way that otherwise bright people can accept this tripe as fact is a testament to the success of the mind control of Scientology.
Your feeble attempt to discredit Mike shows you’ve drunk the kook-aid. Good luck to you. I’m sure you have an inner, true voice that tells you Scientology is not what it claims to be. I’d call it cognitive dissonance, but am afraid that would be more MUs for you.
Lousy grades in college doesn’t prove Elron wasn’t “book smart”. As a young man maybe he was doing what he was expected to do by going to college and only applied himself to subjects in which he was interested. Lying about his accomplishments later on is a different story. Hubbard didn’t put together his thing out of the ether or by channeling. He read widely about rhetoric, crowd psychology, hypnotism and a host of other things.
You tell ’em Richard – but the dudes and duds on here don’t like to hear it.
You know Richard was offering a backhanded compliment to Hubbard. I would agree. He was no dummy. And he was widely read. He definitely knew how to spin a yarn and spent a lot of time studying how to both fool and control people…
FP —
That’s “telling ‘em”? Not exactly. That’d sort of be like me saying to someone “Yeah, I kinda like your outfit..umm…except it makes your ass look fat.”
A sincere question as to calling the women here “duds”: Do you share Hubbard’s misogynistic, arrogant and utterly repulsive, outdated view of women?
And please don’t say you meant to say “dudes and dudettes” because if that’s what you meant to say, you would have.
I didn’t mean women actually – apart from you of course. And from which warped idea do you get “Hubbard’s misogyny” from? Or is this yet another made-up theory?
Yeah, sure. You didn’t mean anyone but me. But you just happened to refer to all women on this blog as “duds”? Whatever you say, FP.
You can’t possibly be serious about Hubbard’s misogyny. Don’t pretend not to know about his repugnant “Affirmations” and other writings about women. The man was an insecure, sick son of a bitch with major contempt for women. Sorry if you can’t accept that.
So, again, do you agree with his arrogant, repulsive and outdated view of women?
Dear Stepford Wife, why are you not baking a cake and washing the dishes instead of bothering men with your tittle-tattle?
And i see your assumption about Hubbard’s “misogyny” is based on some malicious swine’s made-up nonsense about him, about the same level of ludicrousness as the Lucifer “OTVIII” Spontaneously Combusting drivel which is often touted here and the idiots here believe it.
To re-phrase what someone implied about me – “the assumptions are strong with this one!”
FP: Curious if you have ever read Russell Millers carefully researched unauthorized biography of Hubbard?
I assume you have not because you already know it’s all lies, but perhaps you will surprise us.
Miller’s book? Yes, read it decades ago. Am I supposed to now swoon with some sort of realization based on this book? As I recall it was an interesting read in parts but about the same level of importance as wondering if LRH ever picked his nose and deciding if Scientology worked based on this datum!
Well, there is a little more to this discussion than that. This was a discussion about Hubbard’s attitude towards women.
If you actually read the book you would know how he treated his wives and other women in his life. All the way to abandoning Mary Sue to take the fall fore the criminality of the organization in order to protect himself. He abused Sarah and disowned Alexis. It’s a pretty sordid picture — but if you consider this akin to wondering if he ever picked his nose, I suspect you have similarly neanderthal views about women.
Sad.
So based on your assumption that Miller’s book and data was accurate and not based on the testimony of a divorced wife, and poo-pooing of me based on your further assumption that I don’t necessarily readily accept or believe assumptions because some dude wrote a book that he wants to sell and thus there is a high likelihood he has made it as controversial as possible – that I have a neanderthal attitude towards women, and we are now supposed to believe that Hubbard was some sort of demon? By the same “logic” then we should “assume” that what your ex-Mrs says about you is accurate then? I am not saying it is and it probably is a load of hogwash about you, but do you see my point?
There was a similar futile attempt or rather probing questions in the hope of finding a misogynist Achilles Heel, a while back at trying to make out that Scientology didn’t have many women in its ranks or few women staff or women Execs until it was realized that it was the complete opposite of what was being hoped for and they (can’t remember who now) – shut up and presumably went off to try and find some other Achilles Heel.
Well, I don’t necessarily readily accept or believe assumptions because some dude wrote a book that he wants to sell — unless of course the author is L. Ron Hubbard. Right?
As for Hubbard’s treatment of women, put aside whether it is or is not in a non-Hubbard book, just respond directly to these questions:
1. Do you believe Hubbard bigamously married Sarah when still married to Polly?
2. Do you believe Hubbard is the father of Alexis?
3. Do you believe he kidnapped Alexis and took her to Cuba?
4. Do you believe he physically abused Sarah?
5. Do you believe Sarah was a Russian spy?
6. Do you believe Hubbard allowed Mary Sue to take the fall for the criminal behavior that resulted in 11 prison sentences?
Simple questions.
Assumptions? In Scientology? All can be tested and observed in the auditing chair and in life, contrary to the nonsense beliefs of the Lab Rats. Nice try though, very cleverly worded for the fools on here.
1. Don’t know.
2. Perhaps. So what?
3. Kidnapped? If he’s the father as you say it’s not kidnap.
4. Don’t know.
5. Yes, she worked for the FBI, WFMH and CIA – of course!
6. Nope. She ran the GO. She was willing to take the blame, if any,
for stealing photocopy paper and trying to correct false reports. Oh! Sorry, you think it is the crime of the century!
Amazing answers. Thank you.
Especially number 6. Obviously you have never read the Stipulation of Evidence in the case. Wiretapping. Impersonating Govt Agents. Breaking and entering. Kidnapping. You are still using the bs line the GO tried in the 70’s. Nobody even uses that line any more because it was so absurd. It was replaced by “these were a few rogue members who acted outside church policy” which is another lie but a better one that the photocopy paper.
Come up to present time Fool. At least to the 80’s when the GO was disbanded and Mary Sue erased from Scientology history after her husband disconnected from her.
And yet you are still making a mountain of a mole hill. A few GO boys break into a government office and try to remove some false reports and still you are trying to make out as if it was the most heinous crime in history. Even the kidnapping” was simply the main guy who did it being secreted away, with his agreement and being given auditing as well and you try to make out it was a Lindbergh case. And wiretapping? Most CB radio dudes engage in that every time they overhear local police radio. Yeah, crime of the century. The only real crime here was the false reports which a venal government refused to review.
Of course any crime in the name of scientology is acceptable to you. You cannot even condemn these acts but justify them. Of course, they are no big deal to you and this is what we expect from a fundamentalist scientologist. Party line utterances no matter what evidence is before you.
It’s pretty amazing to observe played out in real time here.
You hang on to this “crime of the century” like a dog gnawing at a bone that actually has no flesh on it. This discussion has been played out here before and even under Miscavige’s tenure there hasn’t been anything that is worth reporting about or sending someone to prison for. The crime cupboard is bare and you are trying to make out that it is overflowing by constantly going on about this one incident – an event that is really a “nothing” event! No one was injured or shot or “kidnapped”! In your eyes then Watergate was a “crime”. They broke into government offices and photocopied documents. No I don’t condemn these acts – the same as most Americans who revolted against an oppressive English government. Were they all “criminals” in the 18th century then?
Er, actually he WAS “channeling”, from his “Holy Guardian Angel”, a red haired woman who he apparently identified as an aspect of the goddess Hathor. Much as Crowley channeled Thelema from his own HGA, who he identified as an aspect of the god Horus. Both obtained their HGA by doing the rite of Abramelin.
In the early years he was very open about his use of automatic handwriting, I think he even mentions it in DMSMH, without looking it up. My Academy library had a book about automatic handwriting as a result.
He did indeed read a lot about hypnotism, rhetoric, General Semantics, and psychoanalysis, and used it all against his followers, but channeling was definitely part of the equation.
Many years ago for a day or two I had an odd name or combination of letters coming to mind, something like Xertel or Zoltel. I played with the idea that maybe an entity wanted to channel through me but dismissed it as a fun fantasy.
Perhaps it was actually Xenu? Lol….joking
Ah! I see (perhaps) from the provided link that L C was a former member of the Spanish Inquisition in a previous life and is desperately trying to flee from E-Meters, hence the dredging up of Hubbard’s school grades in some sort of pitiful attempt to decry the subject – as if anyone’s school grades when they are 7 or 11 or 14 have any bearing on anything. (Mine were pretty good though.) Still I suppose some fools on here will coo and nod their daft heads sagely, and say “yes, that explains all!”
The entire world is desperately trying to flee from E-Meters since they know they’re a load of bollocks.
Your IQ has been tested by a scientist? Oooh, exciting. LOL.
Wait …. thought you didn’t have much faith in scientists? Are they only useful when it’s for your benefit?
No, only when it serves to point out that again, stupid people don’t understand irony and think literally. Again (and again it seems), do you really think that I am concerned that “scientists” have tested my IQ and would consider mentioning it to score some sort of point? Jeez! So as you say then “scientific” testing is ok if it proves a point for you but when it proves a point that somewhat negates your argument, then not? Double whammy irony here methinks! As I said, can’t you go and wash the dishes or bake a cake?
FP —
If you weren’t trying to impress us with your unlikely “high IQ”, then you wouldn’t have mentioned it at all …. or for the hundredth time.
As for the rest of your reply, please spare us already.
Priceless Foolproof!
I am actually Mike’s “Mr. Hyde” (Jekyl & Hyde) or alter-ego to use Freudian or Jungian (?) term.
Congrats.
As I recall according to Mike “its all imagination anyway”.. But then he does foist his own case off all the time its hilarious reading. hehe!
Huh?
Sorry Mike, I should have said I was referring your own cognition on completing your version of Solo Nots, that it was “all imagination”.
Sorry for any confusion caused :))))))
Can you share the cool-aid? It seems extra potent today.
Careful, now. The kool-aid is *so* potent that FP’s still hungover from the weekend.
Only for Patrons Meritorious!
Yeah, sure, Mike must be getting desperate. You think it is MIKE, who is getting desperate? More like the confused bacteria running around the dead carcass of Scientology as it dries out and fades to dust.
FP do you honestly see any hope for Scientology? Be honest with yourself. The world despises it.
WAYC —
Yeah, it cracked me up, too, that FP was trying to convince himself that Mike is “desperate” and in need of “stats”.
Let’s see now, shall we? Mike & Leah’s Aftermath has now been nominated for a SECOND Emmy after winning the first one. That’s one hell of a “stat”, to say the least.
Hubbard’s nonsense has never been awarded anything whatsoever, well….except for an award for being some of the most ludicrous shit ever written by anyone.
Here is a perfect example of literal understanding commonly known as stupidity. She thinks I am trying to convince myself about Mike’ stats! Now this is real ludicrous shit!
FP —
So, you’re saying you were joking, despite the fact that you’ve become pretty nasty towards Mike as of late and also have mentioned this “stats” crap a few times before? Ok, fine.
No, what I said isn’t ludicrous shit. But you’re famous for it here.
Do you really think that I am worried about Mike’s “stats”? Or even that Mike is worried about them? It is an “in-house Scientologist’s joke”. And “nasty” towards Mike? Only when he is towards me, which you fail to notice of course. Actually Mike is catty mostly but sometimes bordering on nastiness.
“Here is a perfect example of literal understanding commonly known as stupidity.”
#tragic #irony
The irony is on you! Tragic.
Foolproof, do you consider what Mike posted above to be “pretty straightforward stuff that even a child could understand” and do you honestly think that “most people” would IMMEDIATELY GRASP THE CONCEPT that LRH is conveying here given the way it is written? Be honest, now! Your honest opinion, please. I know you like to have fun with us and vice versa but tell me what you honestly think. Thanks in advance.
Nice to see that Dave finally opened your cage.
” pretty straightforward stuff that even a child could understand. “
Simple question for you.
What is the difference between a control center and a thetan?
I thought one main thetan was in charge of the body? And tens of thousands of others are “hangers-on” controlling certain things when they are awake enough to do so.
Or is the control center actually a Genetic Entity — something that controls the body but is NOT a thetan and cannot be audited at all?
Please explain your understanding in your own words. I realize my IQ is not up to this task, but I know you know yours is.
Damn it Mike, you scared him away again.
Mike, you wouldn’t want to give you “verbal tech” would you? After all your “cobber” Dave has cancelled Method 7 word clearing for foreign language students (Australians) such as yourself!
Seriously (ha!) If you re-read your materials (and find your MisUs) you will eventually find out that the Analytical Mind is essentially the thetan who has automated several things with the of sub-minds, notably the GE (and then the spanner in the works of) the Reactive Mind. On top of all that are the entities as well, as in Nature of a Being HCOB. Is it really that hard to grasp?
As to me bing a Kool Aid drinker most of you lot on here were drinking it in bucketfuls, forking out your sponduliks for IAS membership for years instead of asking where’s the LRH reference on this – so don’t try and make out I was as stupid as you were.
And I see a “Lab Rat” has scurried from his hole and volunteers the usual tripe about consulting professors and other men in white coats who have never ever discovered anything useful about the mind (they still think it is the brain) and the height of their “research” is slicing a rat’s tendon while subjecting it to anti-depressants and throwing it into a water barrel to see if it is happy while it drowns! You couldn’t make it up! Well the “research scientists” could as otherwise they haven’t got a clue – or a well paid job of course! Tell me then Lab Rat, what “research” has benefited mankind in this sphere? Better restraints by electro shock “therapy”? I’m all ears!!
Funny, you failed to mention the control centers at all – yet this is the essential confusion to resolve in sorting out a case right? And since when is the analytical mind “essentially” the thetan? Is it or isn’t it? No equivocation in Hubbard’s world.
And the GE is now a “sub-mind”? Is it analytical or reactive because it has to be one or the other… Is the GE mocked up by the thetan like the reactive mind and can be vanished by realizing you “mocked it up” too? What happens if you are “GE-free” – how does your body not stop working while you are asleep?
And when are all the “cleared BTs”? How come nobody ever shows up in orgs already being a cleared BT?
So many questions. I am happy you are here to help sort all this out.
You obviously know the answers and I am so full of MU’s I can’t think straight. Do some of that good old M7 here and explain it to me because my good pal Miscavige was trying to sabotage things by canceling it but luckily you know that so it’s the only hope I have. Nobody else is going to help because they follow Miscavige. We are fortunate to have you.
Perhaps you can clarify?
The farce is strong with this one.
Ah but from afar I see that the Force of the MisUs is strong with you!
Keep pushing the party line Foolproof, I can see its served you well!
Pretty sure no one here has so-called “MU’s” about Hubbard’s endless rambling and embarrassingly uneducated quotes.
Look it up in the Technical Dictionary! It’s all there and in some of the PABs from the 1950s. After all, your cobber Dave has cancelled Method 7 Word Clearing. And as you are always telling me how to behave, you really also should try not to be catty in your remarks, you should be setting an example of a fair-minded adjudicator for all the Loonies you have posting here!
So, you have just fallen back on “look it up in Technical Dictionary”?
Here is what it says in the Technical Dictionary under “Control Center”: “This could be called the “awareness of awareness unit of the mind or it could be called simply “I.” The control center is cause. It directs, through emotional relay systems, the actions of the body and the environment. (HFP)”
So, how is this different than a thetan. Which was the original question I asked. Are you in fact TWO thetans running different halves of your body?
Or is this a later definition of what a “Control Center” is that ignores the previous one?
Come on Foolproof. This is not hard. You must know, you are the expert on these things.
Foolproof, I understand your response and don’t disagree but I note that it did not include an answer to my question, which I believe was a fair one, phrased politely. Now, you’re not obliged to answer anything; I merely wanted you to know that I haven’t forgotten that I asked it, and I’m paying attention.
My grandson could understand it.But then he’s pretty clever. Tip for idiots: read it slowly and surely.
Thanks for answering, Foolproof. How old is your grandson?
Hey Aqua ?
Am just curious. Which post from FP do you not disagree with? The one about “reactive mind” and being called a kool-aid drinker and something about “Lab Rats”?
Sometimes, it can be kind of hard to tell which comment someone is replying to unless it’s direcrly under the post or not far from it.
Just asking for clarification. Thanks!
Try using a dictionary.
You seriously need to give the dictionary thing a rest.
I started to use a dictionary in third grade, but thanks for your concern.
Perhaps you should look up the definitions of “arrogant”, “denial” and “reality”.
Hi Katherine,
No problem on your questions.
Here’s what he said that I don’t disagree with:
1) That the analytical mind is the control center of the body which in turn sets up sub control centers and that these sub control centers are dependent upon the existence of the analytical mind. An example of a sub control center would be breathing but there are many in the body – digestion, elimination of waste products, healing of wounds, these are all sub control centers that operate automatically.
2) That the mind and the brain are not the same things. That the brain is like a switchboard FOR the mind.
3) That traditional scientific proof of the workability of something is not ALWAYS necessary. Doing something a certain way CAN be quite workable for a person or for some people with NO scientific proof, no traditional testing. (That said, if whatever it is is CALLED “science” then it SHOULD be tested and the results PUBLISHED.).
I was helped by Scientology auditing and by the courses I did. That was my experience with the tech and I make no apologies for it. It helped me a great deal.
What horrifies me is the way that Foolproof sneers at those who were not helped by it – for whatever reason, they were not helped by it. I don’t know why. HE doesn’t know why. But they SAY they weren’t and that’s enough!
and if he were applying Scientology principles he would ACCEPT what they say – truly accept these comments and not resist them, or argue or make wrong AT ALL. He would LISTEN and get more data before evaluating!
Being audited is an extremely PERSONAL experience. A preclear has to UTTERLY TRUST his or her auditor in order to receive ANY benefit from the auditing processes. The success of auditing is NOT in the processes per se. but in the relationship that the AUDITOR creates with the preclear which has to be a relationship of NO LESS THAN TOTAL SAFETY AND TRUST. That’s how the preclear has to feel when being audited; completely SAFE. Its the auditor’s complete responsiblity to create this relationship
. Now, Foolproof , from the way he writes, is obviously well trained by wow, does he violate the auditor code on this blog. Not that he’s auditing US but there’s an ethic about that. when you’re a Scientology auditor. As such you wear the “auditor” hat MOST of the time. Its just INGRAINED in them to relate to people, to everyone, as auditors.
FP doesn’t do that. He advocates strongly for the efficacy of Scientology tech while taunting and sneering at those who disagree. He’s a terrible poster boy for the Scientology tech I received. If I knew who he was I’d never, ever let him audit me.
Thanks for your reply, Aqua. Much appreciated.
I’ve often said (here and at Tony’s blog) that I have no problem with people who have left the cult of $ci but choose to continue using the tech — as long as they’re not trying to bilk people out of their money, trying to deceive or hurt them in some way, or trying to endlessly mock and insult anyone who thinks the tech is nonsense and/or a waste of time, or try to act as if they’re oh-so-much smarter than everyone else because they use the tech.
I agree with you about FP as well.
Cheers.
You’re welcome, Katherine. You said it very well: Fraud, attempted fraud, ridicule, insults and a superior attitude never helped anyone and never will and its all what gives the word itself a bad name. As for FP, I did blast him in my comment but in my heart of hearts I don’t consider that he’s trying to actually harm anyone, or us. I think he’s just amusing himself here. Some Jewish friends of mine would call FP a “pot stirrer”. Creating antagonism, stirring things up. Could be he’s bored and gets a kick out of doing this here sometimes. . My opinion only.
Am I supposed to now feel suitably chastened and chastised? Aqua, you do realize I hope that you are surrounded in the comments field here by some of the most vicious and vitriolic antagonism towards the subject of auditing one could possibly make up (which they do of course)? You will also find that (mostly) auditors are protected from having such people on their lines by the “filtration” system of Ethics and HCO, and to some degree Qual, preventing such people from ever sitting in an auditing chair, which is their hard luck but then they can’t have it both ways. And most auditors I know wouldn’t put up with such shenanigans (why should they?) – it seems you have a wrong idea about how auditors behave.
And by the way, I am not auditing you, or anyone else here. But there is an awful lot of false data abounding, and whilst I am it, assumptions! Mike should call his blog “Something can be done about it by assuming the worst (and then quadrupling it) and then making out that such is the case!” Yes, something like that.
I do agree with your point (for you personally) on having to learn the basic books. In my day they were part of the Academy Levels and other major courses and the ED of your Org was showing terrific inflexibility in forcing you to do so. On the other hand one of the EDs at my Org decades ago and many Execs hadn’t read DMSMH so the idea is not so bad. In your case though you had probably read the books. But was it so onerous to sit down and read the books? You would have had to read them on the Academy Levels anyway. Now, what was the word you went by in one of these books? Haha!
Thanks for your reply, Foolproof. Starting from the bottom of your comment:
I’m swimming in MUs on the Basics. I freely admit that. Whole track stuff. I’m not OT, not even Clear. The Basics is a long course, all theory, no practical. Not even starrates. Its all just reading and listiening to tapes. Many many tapes. I’d already read al the basics BOOKS. The courses include many hours of tapes including the PDCs, the Factors. I like clearing words. I loved KTL. I have an ethic about reading and not going beyond misunderstood words. So, I was pissed. Here I had to go thru all this theory, and clear all these words which were part of material I wouldn’t be using yet, material that I’d be getting on the proper gradient and with starrates and clay demos and other practical drilling in concert with doing my Levels. A waste of my time, and not helpful to me AND out-KSW (too long a runway). The Basics are also mandated for NEW Scientologists before progressing onto anything else. I disagreed. So, yeah, Foolproof, I had MUs and they leaped off the page. I know they’re there. Make of that what you will.
Next, I know you’re not auditing us and I know that you’re also attacked vciously by some here and I know that in an org an auditor is protected by HCO , that this sort of thing is kept off their lines.
Many of the people on this blog DO have a “button” on help when it comes to Scientology. Many of the people on this blog associate Scientology NOT with help, but with extreme grief, loss and PAIN.
For such people Scientology is a PAIN SOURCE. If not an engram, then part of a huge secondary or at least a powerful lock.
You don’t look from their viewpoints Foolproof. Their experiences OBVOUSLY differed from yours. You really don’t know why but WHY it differed is not important at the outset. It differed. Get that. But you CANNOT seem to get that. You really don’t know why, and yet you evalutate that it has to be what YOU think it is, And you TELL them what YOU think it is, in a at best superior, condescending tone and at worst with outright insults.
Sure they insult you but you’re an auditor and as such should be able to handle ANYTHING that’s verbally thrown at you.
You defend the tech and yet deny the abuses and character failings of the Founder. Why? Why not just admit these character failings and abuses? The tech is the tech and if it works it works and nothing can make that be any different. Yet you’re defensive and evasive when put on the spot about your take on the things LRH did that were reprehensible and at times downright cruel and destructive.
Why not just admit these things, Foolproof? The proof is so glaring, so out there and in-your-face that to deny them is absurd and unworthy of you.
The tech is the tech, LRH was LRH, you know? What’s the big deal?
And of course, NO ONE disagrees about Miscavige being a psychopath. We’re ALL solid on that, however else we may agree or disagree.
Oh, and last but not least, PLEASE don’t feel chastened or chastised, Foolproof. Good heavens, THAT would be the LAST thing any of us would ever want 🙂
“…and other men in white coats who have never ever discovered anything useful about the mind…”
May I remind you that the “useful discovery” you endorse as the only solution to man’s ills involves the nullification of extraterrestrial brainwashing and the exorcism of ancient parasitic ghosts.
And you still think this isn’t faith?
There’s a lot more to it than that as you know. But did you not know that the disbelief was contained in the implants? How remiss of you of you eh? So you carry on, I am sure a reputable psychiatrist can help you solve your own demons in future lifetimes.
“There’s a lot more to it than that as you know.”
A means to an end, as you also know, that all starts with a book that has an erupting volcano on its cover.
A system of therapy based almost entirely on the supposedly useless discoveries of Josef Breuer and Sigmund Freud, fermented by a farrago of philosophical frippery swiped from Aleister Crowley, Helena Blavatsky, Rosicrucianism, General Semantics, Hinduism and the Bible.
“But did you not know that the disbelief was contained in the implants?”
As opined by Hubbard and you have accepted as literal truth. Which, according to you, is “commonly known as stupidity.”
I think Foolproof has to keep putting down all forms of education, research, knowledge, and real world qualifications, because he dropped out of high school. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that! He just has no choice.)
Ah! Another assumption – they are abounding today. Yes, I am sure Diesel and Frank Whittle etc. may indeed have undertaken research,(whether they were “qualified” is another matter), but the subject here is the human mind and spirit. Not engines. As for your “catty” remark or rather assumption, I have an enormous IQ (tested by “offical” “scientists”) which is why I can discern fools readily. And I seem to remember hearing something catty about you years ago but I won’t repeat it, as you have no choice. You can retire humbly now to your research laboratory to slice open some more rats.
Apparently hit a nerve.
Yes, you’d know all about nerves.
Correct Cat W. Ron’s zombies must attack anything Hubtard was incapable of accomplishing. Like secondary and post secondary education. H.S. level math & science, Telling the truth, using logic, being sane, et al.
Ah! No-Wynski – of course. Wondered when you’d show up. This is another line now similar to the Lab Rat theory – “Hubbard’s school grades weren’t so hot” (they weren’t so bad either as I recall). This is really getting to be desperate stuff now. Next it will be – let me see – yes, how about this one: “Hubbard was Lucifer”, no we’ve had that nonsense, so, what about “Hubbard as a schoolboy pulled a girl’s hair in class so this must mean that he is a misogynist”. Of course you can do better than that No-Wynski – think up another one for next week! #Desperately Trying to Find Achilles Heels.
Look, one of Ron’s zombies right on cue.
Wynski —
I’ve literally lost count of how many times FP has ranted about “lab rats”.
(…in regard to his reply to you and others..)
Kay, Logicproof is really stuck on lab rats because he knows that they are smarter that he is because they can get out of traps… 😉
Ok. Back in the box Eff Pee …….. until you can work out the answer with Dave. Then report back with yer findings.
🙂 Zing.
Mike,
FWIW The GE is auditable per LKin in ‘Bottom to the Top’. I have done so. Later reading into Hindu Chakra healing I learned much more and better how to run the Control Centers of this body.
I too welcome Foolpoof’s take—- in his own words.
Fool:, please endeavor to stop by and comment more frequently, so I am reminded how we were “back in the day”. Sometimes, it’s handy to be reminded about WHY we need to do what we do.
“Foolproof says
July 18, 2018 at 3:56 pm
Haha – the weekly meeting of the Misunderstood Words and Glee club takes place yet again where all those loonies with a bee in their bonnets can vent forth and admit to going past their misunderstoods and being dog-gone stupid.”
There ya go! I learn something new here all the time 🙂 I didn’t realize until now that you were a scientologist Foolproof, but the back and forth is interesting. I do find what you post interesting. It’s another point of view and I believe there’s always something to be learned from that.
I also believe that if you ever did decide that you wanted help if you ever decided to leave scientology that Mike Rinder, and others here, would be there to help you, no strings attached.
Hello Peggy, I missed your post so haven’t replied until now. I left the official Church of Scientology decades ago, but I never left the subject – works a treat! Ironically enough the shoe of help would actually be on the other (my) foot but then most on here have a huge button on the subject of help, solved at Grade 1 of course.
Hi Foolproof, and thank you for your reply. I will need to do some more reading to understand what Grade 1 is, Again, in the spirit of full disclosure, I admit I know so little (almost nothing) about the actual steps one goes through, but admit that just reading here has helped me to come to terms with some things in my own life. Aquamarine’s explanation to me inspired me to pick up the phone and call someone I had held some hard feelings against. That person had just lost a loved one and I really did just want to reach out to them and let them know I cared how they were doing. It was good to let go of that resentment and admit to myself that I am responsible for my feelings.
I have also come to understand that there is some value that people initially received when joining the church. I guess it’s what kept people in or they would have just walked out on day one. I take it that’s why you continue with the basic concepts and from reading about nine books by ex members that seemed to be the general theme. It wasn’t the initial concept that had them leave, it was where that journey led them and what it led to.
If I missed you point I apologize.
You have no need to apologize at all and I don’t think you missed any point. Thank you for your nice and polite reply – makes a change for me on here – haha! Just to let you know though, I am a bit more “advanced” in the subject than the level of basic books which is why I can cogently reply to the assertions and assumptions bandied around on here.
Grade 1 is mostly problems processes in auditing or counseling but “Help” as a subject is also addressed within.
LOL, had to make sure I understood the definition cogently 🙂
So, you are not a scientologist as in a member, but you believe in the tech? If I’m not mistaken I have read that there are ex members who left the church because it was the policies and/or treatment that they disagreed with, but they still believe that there are benefits to be received from auditing? Fair enough, and certainly a person’s right in my opinion, not that that counts to anyone but myself.
I have read some of LRH’s policies, or beliefs, and couldn’t be more diametrically opposed as far as my personal beliefs. That being said, I could see the value of a person looking deeper into themselves to resolve problems/issues, by doing so.
Open and honest discussion is a good thing. Sometimes it’s the only way to find out if there is any middle ground. Small example, at one time I had disagreed, openly, with a guy’s point of view. At that time we were both working for the same company and were both working pretty late at night. We were just chatting and out of the blue he said “I thought you hated me”. I was shocked and replied of course I don’t hate you! We just have different points of view. We became very good friends after that matter was cleared up, and after he went to work somewhere else he would call me, he called me crying a couple of time because of something that had happened to him. I listened for as long as he needed to get things off his chest. He was a friend, a friend with a different point of view than mine, but I respected that and he also respected that of me. What we disagreed on wasn’t worth tossing out what we had in common.
The idiots on here should take a leaf from your book Peggy and look up their words like good boys and girls and then they wouldn’t come on here and start bleating “I never understood this thing called the mind and the thetan and all that! Anyway, I learned from Professor Moriarty that I am just a brain!” See idiots – it wasn’t hard was it? Peggy (and any sensible person) can do it, why can’t you lot?
As to being diametrically (or Dianetically?) opposed, what beliefs of Hubbard did you find you were not in agreement with?
Hi Fool Proof. You are obviously an intelligent and articulate person. It is so heartbreaking to see you have wasted your talents on a fiction fabricated by a very sick man, L. Ron Hubbard.
I wish you well on your path to truth. Google a bit, and try to find evidence that supports or destroys the argument of the critics of LRH. It is only right if it is right for you.
Oh! Don’t worry about me. I have probably more data (true and false) on the whole subject (from all angles) than you could shake a stick at, or rather a gourd from the witch doctors on here. Thank you for your concern though. As I am a well-audited and trained person I can seem to rise above the usual “did you know Hubbard swore at someone when they were steering the ship on to the rocks” or “did you know that Hubbard failed his arithmetic when he was 7 years old!”
FP, do any of the attacks on scientology you are hearing have any truth? If it is all lies, than you are correct to go on with your life with a clear conscience.
But are all of these entheta all lies? What if ONE of the thousands of stories you are reading is true?
The way scientology is taught is stupid. It would be akin to medical students being forced to learn about bloodletting and leeches. In 2018.
So true! Having to learn how to do something, having to learn what is used and known to be workable NOW by FIRST studying what was HISTORICALLY used and proven NOT workable and therefore NOT used now…this is just SO fucked and a waste of time and is EXACTLY why I protested having to do the Basics BEFORE learning to auditor train! THANK YOU, m.
The movie We Were Soldiers could be changed for ex Scientologists to We Were Brainwashed.
He is leading the reader down a long and winding path in hopes they get lost! Which they will because it makes no logical sense. Combining fact and fiction. ( mostly fiction ). It actually reads like meanderings of a delusional mind. Just crazy. I hate people base their life on this guy’s writings. And so many are mean and negative and will never create a better world of a ” cleared planet “.
this is brilliant, “The problems of the dual control stage began severely and continued in confusion. ” that’s all the auditor needs to know. LOL
Gibberish.
I was never a scientologist and just assumed in reading Hubbard (books loaned to me by an old friend – which he really should have sold to me – haha), that I was missing something. But I guess nobody really understands what the hell he was talking about.
Thanks, Mike, and OK, people, you all got that now? 🙂
This is from the Life Continuum course, part of the The Basics and mandatory not only for all NEW Scientologists but for ANY Scientologist BEFORE he or she will be permitted to auditor train.
And this is just a few paragraphs – try listening to all the tapes on this course, OMG. For me it was one mental eye roll after another. I left shortly afterwards.
One way or another, whether it be fundraising or fair gaming, disconnection, the 3 swing FN, or too long a runway to auditor training,.. Miscavige has every tech, admiin and ethics base covered to ensure that no new person becomes a Scientologist, and no existing Scientologist makes any progress.
Hip, hip hooray!!! (Note the three swing exclam).
🙂 Thanks, MJM. If I couldn’t laugh I’d be crying.
What is the 3 swing FM?
It’s akin to the three swing FSM who has to hit his selectees a number of times to get them to pay for services. ?
Its “FN” , short for “floating needle”. When someone is being audited, a “floating needle” is one of the reactions of the needle on the meter to a question or series of questions. Its also the REQUIRED needle reaction in order to END a process because it indicates acceptance, agreement, understanding, etc. Every process in auditing has to end with a floating needle reaction or else the auditor continues the process until the pre-clear’s needle “floats” .
Without getting technical, David Miscavige changed the definition of a floating needle, making it HARDER for anyone to actually HAVE one, and thereby LENGTHENING the auditing processses uneccessarily, making it become AT BEST uncomfortable for the pre-clear and at worst, a nightmare for the preclear. Lengthening the processes this way also made getting auditing a great deal more EXPENSIVE because the needle might “float” but if it didn’t “float” back and forth precisely THREE times, per Misicavige’s new rule it was NOT a floating needle.
The you and I were talking and you were telling me about something in your life, and all of a sudden you said, “Wow, you know, in talking to you about this, I just realized that I didn’t have to be mad at my brother for doing so and so, I was only showing off in front of my friend Sally (I’m just making this all up obviously).” Ok, so when you tell me this, you feel GOOD. You feel kind of relieved. This incident no longer troubles you, you’re not going to think about it with any negative emotion anymore, you understand why your brother destroyed your ice cream cone the next day for no reason, you understand yourself and that you weren’t really mad at him in the first place – in short, you feel fine, and you say so. THAT would be a “floating needle” FEELING. And, listening to you, I could see that, and say, “Hey, that’s great! That’s cool that you spotted that, after all these years – I’m so glad!” I’d say something like that, to acknowledge you. And then, we would move ON and talk about something ELSE.
BUT, let’s suppose I DIDN’T do that. Instead, let’s suppose I KEPT talking about you and your brother and the ice cream cone. Let’s suppose I INSISTED that we keep going over it, insisted that you tell me again and again exactly what happened. AND WORST OF ALL, lets say I NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED your insight into that whole thing, and that you felt GOOD, and were no longer upset about that incident.
You’d be pissed. I guarantee you you’d be VERY pissed off at me VERY quickly, whether or not you exhibited any pissed-off-edness outwardly or kept it in. Either way is bad news for you because you either lose your temper with me OR you hold it in and make ANY excuse to get away from me!
If you can get a concept of THAT feeling (not good, not helpful, REALLY irritating) then you have a concept of what it feels like to be audited past an FN. The process should have STOPPED and it didn’t. VERY irritating and sometimes extremely harmful to the person. Not to mention EXPENSIVE.
So, basically DM could say that LRH was wrong, (blasphemy!) and he, DM, could just change the rules in order to extract more money. It’s good to be king I guess. Can hardly wait until the king gets dethroned 🙂
Effectively correct, but DM would NEVER say that LRH was wrong. Instead, he gives you the “CORRECT” definition. In other words, we were all (includiing LRH himself) doing it WRONG because we never understood the correct definition of a Floating Needle. NOW, thanks to DM’s discerning the CORRECT definition, we can all do it RIGHT, “as LRH always intended”.
That LRH himself was doing it wrong, that HE didn’t understand his own technology and was doing ti wrong and TEACHING OTHERS to do it wrong – well, ah – details, details!
None of the Still In Idiots I knew seemed to be bothered about this point!
It was demanded that it must be three swings, not 2.
Thanks Old Surfer Dude.
YES! ALL HAIL Davey Boy for so thoroughly sabotaging basic auditor training with the squirrelled “Basics”, then making case gain all but impossible even IF some poor soul hangs in there and “successfully” navigates all the arbitraries thrown in the way.
Separate item: it sometimes was possible to properly call an FN on its first swing. The quality of that swing was unmistakeable at those times. The PC’s indicators say it first. I loved being able to say,”Yeah, it’s floating.”, then watch the PC float away on cloud 9 to the Examiner. I’ve gotten the impression that Dwarfenführer’s redefinition of FN pretty much blows away the floating TA, which is another beautiful sight. In his mind, everything that is good is bad again. I still believe there was a sentence in my meter training that addressed Davey Boy’s FN: Went something like: Don’t sit there looking at it forever; Are you waiting for it to whistle Dixie? Wait too long(like 3-4 swings) and it’s gonna go away and give you a dirty needle, a sure sign of out-TRs in the auditor. And the PC will often red-tag if the Examiner’s also bypassing FNs like that.
Oh my! What am I doing pointing out his squirrelling? It’s not like I want them to suddenly do well or anything. Go ahead, Davey. Break everything you can, so NO one gets that good feeling that traps them in scn so you can prey on them.
Love your comment, Jere. Love it, really. Thank you.
I don’t believe that Hubbard was very knowledgeable on biology. If you check out his stuff about Man’s evolutionary line you will see that he got it almost 100% wrong.
Go to WIkipedia and check out “split brain.”
What this article basically says is that the left and right hemispheres of the brain act as autonomous control units if the connection between them is severed. This is literally a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing.
I did a course on physiological psychology at university and learned about this.
When I later read the above quote by Hubbard, I thought this was what he was talking about.
“I don’t believe that Hubbard was very knowledgeable on biology.”
Nor I. I don’t believe he was very knowledgeable about any scientific field. I think what he meant by “research” was “speculation based on ideas I heard about or read somewhere.” Because the original ideas may have been called “science” (though not necessarily by actual scientists), he thought his speculations must qualify as “scientific,” even as “scientific research.” He clearly demonstrated zero comprehension of the rigor of scientific research and reasoning. That’s why I’m always surprised to learn that a doctor or scientist became a Scientologist. It’s so striking to anyone in any way versed in science that what Hubbard did was not science. I suppose they just made a separate mental category for his speculations. Science-asterisk. Science-lite. Science-LRH-style.
I think at some point early on he convinced himself that he and maybe one or two other science fiction writers had stumbled upon some psychic vein within themselves that accessed historical truth, so he just dropped the “fiction” and called whatever occurred to him “scientific research.”
Touché!
Ron didn’t need no fucking wog biology as his knowingness exceeded any extant science in this or any other universe.
Cavalier wrote:
“I don’t believe that Hubbard was very knowledgeable on biology. If you check out his stuff about Man’s evolutionary line you will see that he got it almost 100% wrong.”
I believe the only parts he might have gotten right were accidental, quite likely typos that intelligent editors auto-corrected.
I haveto believe that some of the transcriptionists corrected his word salad out of frustration many times. That explains how SOME sections read sensibly then we get his usual drivel again
I think it was referred to as the “sympathetic nervous system”. A sensation or pain on one side of the body might have it’s origination from a current or past injury to the other side. I don’t know if that’s a scientific fact but it sounds logical. I think current neuroscience disputes that there is a distinct separation creative and analytical thought as originating in separate hemispheres of the brain, making a distinction between the physiology of the body and thinking.
This reminds me of an advanced physics teacher who shouldn’t be teaching. He uses all the big words and pretends he knows what he’s saying. All the sheeple nod knowingly, because to do otherwise would lead them to massive dictionary time.
Did I mention today how glad I am that I’ve escaped?
So now Auditors can not only help you with your past lives, but they work on your Vegetable engrams. Thank Lron, now I can get over my fear of Ketchup. No wonder Lron tortured Tomatoes, they make Ketchup.
And Scientologists are always playing catch up.
Sure it was torture, but L. Ron made me into the tomato I am today… an OT, Operating Tomato. The tech works!
“…your Vegetable engrams”.
Lettuce help you with that.
Ok, I’ll stop. No more corny puns.
I’m so sorry to be O/T, but everyone please go to the Bunker https://tonyortega.org/ and give this a read. This man needs help. People have posted resources for him, but some of you may have other ideas.
Mike, please go there as well. This story needs to be told.
This is fraud. If anyone makes an unauthorized charge to a credit card, and you alert the card issuer, the card issuer will remove the charge and the customer is not liable for it. Let Citibank or whoever go after the crooks. Maybe if they get enough complaints of fraudulent charges, they’ll start denying any charges from any scamololgy organization.
True, Miss Q. Quite true and an effective solution, however, I knew one Scientologist who refuse to report to the credit card company a similar fraud perpetrated by Co$ an unathorized charge in the amount of 40K. That’s how cowed this Still In was. Insane, right?
I read that this morning smorbie and how is that not actionable?! Theft pure and simple. How is that any different from stealing someone’s credit card. These are horrible horrible people.
if you can’t confuse with science — baffle with bullshit
Well Dang! This should fix the left – right problem as well.
It doesn’t. It just makes one confused. Very confused.
Reading Hubbard’s rantings gives me a headache.
I have a different view on these quotes Mike. The first one I think is an attempt at a political joke about left wing and right wing in those overheated cold war days of 1951.
The second quote to me is talking about a possible genesis of the perpetual struggle on Earth, the weird and destructive games that are ALWAYS one side against another side , over and over and over ..
“I have made a technical breakthrough which possibly ranks with the major discoveries of the twentieth century. It is certainly the greatest advancement in my personal hygiene yet known and is now being released after a final wrap-up of the Charmin and Scottissue. It is called the ASSLOCATION RUNDOWN.
“The purpose of the ASSLOCATION RUNDOWN is to locate and reassure myself about the precise local location in MEST of my own backside, with the aid of a little mirror on the end of a stick, and an E-Meter. Formerly, due to unprecedented expansion in my personal dimensions, the task of finding my own posterior was becoming more more and more enturbulated (not to mention enturdulated) even with the unwilling cooperation of the CMO’s Talcum-Powder Squad.
“Man has never been able to solve this problem before, having to resort to such barbarities as the use of heavy psych-drugs, electric and insulin shock, ice-pick lobotomies, and needing to change their underwear eight times a day. My breakthrough-discovery of this tech means an end to all such unpleasantnesses.
“(There was also something else I meant to mention about psychotic breaks, after a crew-member here at FLAG got a case of the personal nasties with yours truly — but for the life of me I can’t recall what it was, ‘cos I’m so very excited by my new technical breakthrough. My advice for any further psychotic incidents — lock ‘em up and throw away the key till the huge hulking scary bastards calm down and stop threatening to tear me limb from limb. That should do the trick, see?)
“Anywho, the main point is that the ASSLOCATION RUNDOWN is the greatest thing since sliced bread. You have in your hands the tools to avoid skidmarks and dingleberries with rave results.
“It’s quite simple really: I commend it heartily to all PC’s and those who use BVD’s.
“And don’t forget to lock up the loonies.”
I don’t care what it costs! Give me the rundown!!!
Just remember, you assed for it.
I ‘assed’ for it? Kinky!
Bottoms up mate.
I’m already out the door!
Hi Dr…lmao. ! Too funny ..what your saying..
Makes more sense than LRon’s rantings
Exactly. Now here’s a true-blue MAJOR scientific breakthrough, for the annals of Science! Dr Strabismus, it has all the makings of a Nobel nomination (and award, for sure).
This was the bestness of them allness (see, OSD. I got it right this time). INSTANT CLASSIC
A new born baby makes more sense than Hubbard’s rants.
I must have the Ass location rundown!
Here it is:
1. Sit your ass down for two hours
2. Clear the words but and butt to full conceptual understanding
3. Write a success story
4. See the registrar
5′ Sign up for the Kiss Ass Rundown
I look at this now and go “WTF”, he really was rambling on. Reading this back in the day I would have spent endless hours “clearing” my MU’s (probably every word) cause obviously I was too stupid to get it.
It feels great being out of this mind F**K!
That’s how I felt when I left. It’s like a whole new world opens up for you.
When I walked out, I headed for one of my favorite surf spots in Waikiki. I was truly free at that point!
With any subject that required real intelligence and logic, Hubtard was COMPLETELY lost and resorted to gibberish in the hopes of causing confusion and thus misdirecting those who might try and see through his scam.
I don’t think rambling is the right word….more like mental gargling. Normally I can read and understand just about any type of phrasing or language (ie: legal speak, insurance speak etc.), but what you have posted here makes my head spin. Though I had no idea ‘man’ had so much wrong with him from single cell inception. Rather puts post paid to our perfection before Original Sin! How can Scientology be a religion when there is obviously no concept of (a) God? I need an aspirin………
“Mental gargling:” sounds about right. Underneath the compulsive verbosity (staying up all night, spewing forth gibberish on a typewriter), Hubbard was both stupid and lazy. His only real thinking was about how he could make money from the suckers.
Also, for all his bashing of religion, in his early affirmations does make reference to God – something you’ll never see mentioned in all the scion published dreck.
Ah…there you are bixntram! What I can’t understand about the IRS tax exemption is the fact that there is no recognizable theology in scientology. Even the name denies it. So I would think that someone in a position to change the exemption would demand an accounting of the scientology spiritual belief system and when told about aliens etc would immediately brand scientology for what it truly is…..a money maker whose policies are based on the mental gargling of a seriously delusional failure at going clear! JMHO
Reincarnation/past lives is an integral part of Scientology so Scientologists join billions of Buddhists, Hindus and others in that belief.
50sparks, study the US Const. to see why your argument fails regarding religion.
As a Canadian I know our constitution better than the US one. However, my observations (not argument) seemed more like common sense that anything else. I studied world religions in Uni and NONE of them were based solely on making money. ALL of them had a theology based on ‘a’ God or Gods. Perhaps the US constitution needs an amendment redefining what religion really constitutes? JMHO
One of the most well known fundamentals of constitutional law is the First Amendment which states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”
Still doesn’t mean religion can’t be defined…….but then over the years the definition of religion has changed so much as to be unrecognizable. Now I really Do need an aspirin. lol
Well, actually it does. At least not by Congress or in any law.
No 50sparks, it doesn’t need that amendment. The LAST thing that is needed is for idiotic politicians to define what is ot isn’t someones religion. THAT would be a DISASTER for human rights. See what has happened in Canada with Parliament criminalizing speech they don’t approve of?
Canada’s constitution has a FATAL flaw in section 33. It allows Parliament to torpedo anything it wants to (including judicial review) in the rest of the Constitution by a simple majority vote. Thus, its constitution isn’t worth used toilet paper.
You are talking about an amendment to the Charter of Rights which is known as the ‘notwithstanding clause’. (Section 33)
“Among the provinces’ major complaints with the Charter was its effect of shifting power from elected officials to the judiciary, giving the courts the final word. Section 33, in conjunction with the limitations clause in section 1, was intended to give provincial legislators more leverage to pass law.” This is a uniquely Canadian ‘invention’, but it protects our provincial governments from being overridden by the Supreme Court. It is hardly ever used as our Premiers and the Federal Government know how to work out their differences. So don’t dis our Constitution. It has protected us and allowed our society to remain free in all ways. The notwithstanding clause also has a maximum 5 year life. After that a new government is capable of cancelling the clause or re-instating it according to the will of the people.
WRONG 50sparks. If it had “protected you” Canada wouldn’t be banning books and making laws that can imprison you for mere speech. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/canada-laws-crack-down-on-hate-speech/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada
If you think THAT is protection you are an idiot
Wynski, there is no need to call me an idiot. I went to the link you provided and read it. If YOU had read it properly you would have realized that Canada has very strong and individual provincial governments with their own rights and freedoms. Any citizen that is charged in whichever province is subject to that province’s laws and punishments, BUT they also have the right to appeal and don’t have their rights stomped on without recourse as you suggest. We are a young country subject to the same influx of immigrants as any other these days and are still feeling our way around things like cyber bullying, hate speech etc. It will take time and growth before we get it totally right, if indeed that is possible. As for book banning, like any free country we have a lot of special interest groups that want to see certain books, movies, video games etc. banned. WE DO NOT DO THAT ANYMORE and haven’t for some time. We give our citizens the right to CHALLENGE the distribution of same, but more often than not those challenges are defeated. Our country is recognized worldwide as a safe place to live because we respect the rights of our people on all levels. During the course of our historical growth we made the same mistakes the US did (treatment of indiginous peoples for example), but we learned and are still learning and making up for those mistakes. So before you call a Canadian an idiot……….LIVE HERE and THEN tell me that my country’s Constitution isn’t worth used toilet paper!
Hey Wynski, i’ve been doing my homework re the US constitution per your comment on a previous post. Quick question, what’s your take on the Ninth Amendment?
I was so gutted to hear the Garcia’s lost their fraud case. I’m baffled how the constitution seemingly allows religious organisations to violate basic human rights with impunity. Is murder similarly protected if done within a religious context? If not, why fraud? Is the right of an individual not to be defrauded at least of comparable import as a religion’s right to practice? Help me, I’m stuck!
Apparently someone replied to my comment, but I don’t see it here….so whomever you are, thank you.
Hi, Sparks, yeah, here I am, keepiing those pesky thetans at bay! I’m far from an expert but trying to make a case against $cion on theological grounds would be next to impossible. I mean, I can tell you that I worship a stack of Campbell soup cans and who is the IRS to tell me my theology is false? That said, it’s truly shocking to see that the IRS has done nothing to shut $cion down. I would think there are plenty of good reasons, such as selling its services for a profit, keeping Sea Org members in a condition of slavery, complicity in statutory rape, etc. etc. But I’m niether a tax attorney or a criminal one, and there are many others on this and Tony’s forum who can explain the situtation with the IRS far better than I can.
Sometimes the comments go into cyberspace and the reply goes to your email before it appears on the blog. Anyhow here’s a video with Aaron Levin-Smith and Geir Isene. Geir mentions that there are no special privileges to religion like tax exemption in Norway so nobody gives a fuck if it’s a religion or not. (his words, not mine, lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=SUPCnUqiWA4
It’s that the notification of the response appears in your inbox before I have moderated the reply.
As an aside, some people are unaware that the playback on youtube videos can be speeded up by using the “settings” tool. The above video is intelligible at 1.5 playback speed.
Probably more than half of the human population has mystical notions about angels, demons, spirits, gods, goddesses, Satan and God.
That’s true. Scientology doesn’t have the market cornered on woo. But nobody cares what anyone believes as long as people aren’t getting hurt, and lives arent’ getting destroyed. Religions have always made that mistake. The smart ones wised up and stopped practicing punishment, persecution, torture, hanging people as witches, and so forth Some of these religions are still around today. The other ones – pffft. And good riddance. Religion should NOT be punitive.. It even says so in the Bible: “Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord” Religion should also stay strictly the hell out of politics. As for the beliefs, the creation myths – who cares?. There are all kinds of woo. Not important. Religions should help people, understand them, nurture them, instruct them GENTLY in being themselves helpful, understanding, tolerant, etc. These fire and brimstone religions really make my skin crawl.
“How can Scientology be a religion when there is obviously no concept of (a) God?”
Thetans were gods. To spice things up a bit they pretended they weren’t. They created fleshy vehicles to occupy and play around in. They dumbed themselves down. It was quaint. It was naughty. It was dirty. But it felt so good…! Eons passed. They were having so much fun
as retarded avatarsthey forgot who they were and missed a very important luncheon. They turned on eachother. Thetans enslaved thetans. There was genocide. Endless wars. Brainwashing. It was most unpleasant. Until one day, a thetan, who just so happened to be occupying the body of a morbidly obese, chain-smoking science-fiction writer from twentieth century Teegeeack, discovered the exact way to get them all backup to Mount Olympusto their native state. A very expensive quack therapy called “scientology”.Nancy Cartwright says it best at https://youtu.be/mr7N4nGe7pc?t=1m44s
“What I can’t understand about the IRS tax exemption is the fact that there is no recognizable theology in scientology.”
Well there’s this…
https://goo.gl/vERwYy
Whether scientology classifies as a religion is not the same as whether it qualifies as tax exempt.
You can be a religion and not qualify for tax exempt status if (roughly stated):
1. You are operating as a commercial enterprise
2. You are politicking too much
3. You are inuring to the benefit of an individual
4. You are engaged in illegal activities
5. You are violating public policy
Gee, Mike. You’re getting SO picky!!! LOL Having spent time long ago in the GO and seeing its operation, it is my opinion that DEEP investigation into the lives of various high level IRS individuals brought up information that those individuals did not wish to see publicly exposed. In addition, large amounts of money were offered (and accepted) to additionally keep those individuals in line. My guess is that those actions have continued down through time. Blackmail? Graft? Hubbard made that into continuing policy. Keep the con going at all costs and do whatever works to get that result
“But I dont want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
Rick,
I used to assert that everyone is insane, or potentially insane, and that civilization is but a thin veneer to cover up the insanity. When challenged I would retort that the fact that you are on this planet is proof in and of itself. Then I got into scientology and had my thesis confirmed. Hubbard and Charles Dodgson were of similar minds, and many of us fell down the rabbit hole.
Unfortunately for us, Ron spent his life trying to pass off his fictional “stories” as true and hypnotizing his followers to make slaves. I kiss the ground of “out” after 35 years “in”. Damned, I feel stupid now. He wasted my life and so many others with aplomb. Who would do such a thing? Not a nice fellow at all….
Those still “in” are still digging dirt at Ron’s gold mine in Beallsville, Maryland.
https://whyweprotest.net/threads/lrh-discovers-gold-in-his-own-back-yard-1933.101691/
Are some of the still-in-id-juts™ still looking for gold there? Oh man, that it too funny!!
Let me take a crack at it:
From extensive research on the genetic line, the following data emerged: man’s control center apparently evolved from two distinct and separate lines: one emanating from the southern hemisphere, the other from the northern. Racial tensions stem directly from this fact. However, the auditor need not be concerned with this problem as long as he addresses the fundamental unit known by one and all as the thetan, who came from a totally different track and is in no way dependent or subject to this north-south dichotomy. As long as you concentrate your efforts on this vector you’ll win as that’s where you’ll get your biggest surges.
Gawd, the rubbish just never ends.
Someday it will.
Fascinating observation Mike and truthful of course.
While reading the longer text I thought of using s demo kit and that made me realize Hubbard’s style very well may be the source of this ‘only one study technology tool’; in other words, the written expressions are soooooo convoluted that your mind gets lost, thus, the demo kit, just by touching some solid objects, may give you back some reality rather than get abandoned in a world of meaningless phrases.
Sylvia, you’d be better off with a demolition kit.
That’s what I got for Christmas one year. A demolition kit. Not sure why my parents used real explosives.
Possibly it gave them a charge.
Let’s let Silvia keep playing with the play-doh to get ‘reality’. I’ll back off from this one like a mineshaft filled with sweating nitroglycerine charges.
This morning, I took an old copy of Dianetics (ask.a. Dummynetics) written by this Hubbard character that I came across moldering on a bookshelf in my home out into my garage and placed it beneath a portable handicap commode that we kept for my mother-in-law while she was ill and staying with us — and took a big dump on it. ?
Anyone know where can I find me some nice 8’ by 10’ glossies of that COB character…
The Blabberings of Blubbard are mind numbingly stupid and his voice – ugh! “the Thetan has mocked up this Universe and now is the effect of it” Just comic book talk which is what the big reveal of OT 3 Wall of Fire is – they give you a stupid comic book without any pictures to read. Imagine paying several hundred thousand dollars and all you get for it is a ridiculously stupid comic book?
Was he smoking when he wrote this?
Maybe not…but, I was.
LOL!
“Captive audience”
“Listeners or onlookers who have no choice but to attend. For example, It’s a required course and, knowing he has a captive audience, the professor rambles on endlessly. This expression, first recorded in 1902, uses captive in the sense of “unable to escape.” ”
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/captive-audience
Hubbard’s pulp writer frustrations come to an interesting end him obtaining his Scientology audience, who are captive to buying his books, “or else”.
“Hard sell” fits with Hubbard’s demands his followers stay on Source.
If all Hubbard’s live thoughts, especially his ASI era traffic of the early 1980s, where he contemplates things to label himself, and the result was the Ron’s Mags, an observer would see.
Also his own admissions in the intro of Battlefield Earth gives away his delusions aobut himself and his audience.
Scientology’s his captive audience.
At least his fiction to outsiders is the only free audience.
His fiction to the Scientologists was pretty captive audience also though.
A chapter on Hubbard ought to center around this theme of how Hubbard played out a writer’s delusion of having their own captive audience.
If Hubbard started with a captive audience of 10,000, those remaining in the cult would be more and more controlled as the ranks dwindled to 1,000. Those peeled off in the early stages would obviously have had doubt. Hubbard was able to slow down the process of leaving the cult with intricate OT levels which resulted in my seventeen year stay in scientology. In the end, I saw no real difference between his “tech” and his fiction. Johnny was nothing more than the OT Hubbard always imagined. After thirty years, the damage that Hubbard did to my mind can be viewed as deliberate and intentional. However, I did get the last laugh on Hubbard. The day after my completion of OT VIII in 1988, which is thirty years today, I met my future wife on the Freewinds. She was surprised that an OT VIII existed in the Scientology who had part of his mind remaining. That small remainder of mentality has grown with her as we celebrate nearly thirty years together. Hubbard was a wrong turn in the road which was corrected and it was obvious to us both after OT VIII.
Incredible George. Plus, for history, your providing conclusive firsthand testimony about the “Lucifer” Hubbard stuff, that is just so permanently historically important,and thankyou again for that.
And personally, I thank you for the many years of comments, I enjoyed and chose to look into Buddhism in part due to some of your comments. It is stunning to me how much further adult education and reading and re-reading areas I thought I had some understanding off.
Always glad you got out, and told such good stuff over the years, thankyou.
Chuck,
Thank you and you are welcome. I have been holding back on a group photo of the second Maiden voyage for now more than thirty years. Someday I plan to publish it to further solidify the Luciferianism. But I still have reservations on privacy for these people.
George,
On that photo, could you email me, I’ll run my thoughts by you.
[email protected]
I have the photo in an archive file. I will scan it and get it prepared. I want to protect the privacy of the people in it.
See! The tech worked for you! LRH ensured your future happiness!
To LRH… Well done, SIR!
(bwah hah haa, just kidding, but glad you found happiness in the end.)
Rolling on the floor laughing ( ROLF )
Nice story George.. mmde me feel good to hear it.
Love and true friendship can exist outside of Scientology but not inside. Lrh demanded your love and attention above all others and he lied to us in order to get it.
Interesting about the US/Russia part. He used that concept in Battlefield Earth.
I can never get beyond the first paragraph of his stuff before my eyes glaze over. I simply can’t read it.Had I been unlucky enough to be a kid in Scamology, I would undoubtedly have been found dead of boredom under a study table.
…but with a dictionary by your side.
And with my cold, dead fingers trying to rip out all the pages (my small effort to spare others, ya know)
Bridget, just take a deep breath and repeat, over & over again: I’M OUT OF THAT FUCKING CULT! And shout: WOO HOO!
Thankfully, OSD, I’m a never-in. But I did get roped into The Forum in the mid-80’s. Werner Erhard lifted many things from our Dear Friends (apparently, they ran him out of the country for it eventually) so I recognize stuff here. Interesting, if scary, comparisons. I was able to stand up, speak up and get OUT eventually – not as hard as getting away from Scamology, but hard enough. I had to change phone numbers to get the calls to stop.
Wow. My brain hurts!
Take two pills & call me in the morning.
Well, since “further research reveals” different things, what if he “dropped his body” before he finished his “research” on this planet? Perhaps if he had lived longer and had more years to conduct “further research” then something completely different than the current version of Scientology would have been “revealed”.
Oh yeah, it was said that he dropped his body to move on to further research that couldn’t be conducted within the confines of his Earthly body. But did Ron himself say that? Or was this statement made by someone who just might (at least possibly) have a personal interest in keeping people inside of the organization for his own personal gain? I would have expected Ron, the biggest being of them all, to have personally told ALL of his followers beforehand what his plans were, just to avoid any questions and/or confusion.
Just a little food for thought for any current Scientologists who might read these comments…..
I’m not sure if current scientologists are even allowed to view the LRH death event anymore because… Pat Broeker.
And the chortlefest that is Miscavige being unable to read military time.
The giant fib that Hubbard “causatively dropped his body etc etc” was dreamed up afterwards. I doubt Hubbard even cared at that point what was said or done. Search on Youtube for Robert Vaughn Young, he explains it in detail.
If you can’t be deep, be obfuscatory! Fools the rubes ever time!
I’m not sure I could be either one.
I need a drink…
I’m way, WAY ahead of you, Tommy J!
aha! So this vernacular makes sense to u then?!?
Oh, absolutely!
I need several.
The Church of Scientology- a 10 drink minimum
A good start for flushing out the kool-aid.
Ten drink minimum? Why, back in the old days we had 20 drink minimum. Only sissies would drink ten drink minimum. He’ll, that’s just getting started.
I passed out at fifteen. Guess I was a pussy.
How many drinks must a drinker drink for that jibberish to sink in?
After two dozen Hubbard starts to make sense.
We used to have 10 before we went out – saved us some money!