3 times through in less than 2 years.
This one is a real money-spinner. You can keep sending people back to do it over and over. You don’t need anything to deliver it — just someone who tells them to keep running and a “C/S” who just tells them to “keep running.” It’s a bottomless goldmine. It’s like an LA Fitness Club.
I do not doubt that people enjoy running. Or that it results in good feelings. There are millions of people who do it every day. Convincing people that running around in a circle is an “Whole Track OT objective process” that is worth paying thousands of dollars for (a membership at LA Fitness is $29 a month) is an amazing feat of salesmanship.
It would be like someone coming up with the idea of selling air as a magical cure for your inability to be in control of your life. You can breathe it for free, but we will sell it as the “whole track cause vitality rundown” that was just discovered. It is exactly “what LRH would have wanted.” You sit in a darkened room in a special “vitality bathrobe” with an oxygen mask and someone that stands over you and tells you to “keep breathing.” And for this you pay $5000 and are required to write a success story at the end in order to “graduate.” And then you can come back the next week and do it over again and become even “more vital” than you were before. Of course, there is nothing wrong with breathing. It is persuading people to pay you to do it as if it is magic that is amazing.
Roger : “Peter, I have never done a selfless act in my life. Every act of so-called ‘kindness’ I’ve ever done was for the sake of preserving my own peace of mind or to be recognized as a wonderful person.”
Peter : As I said before – and this isn’t a personal attack to you – you have a VERY strange perspective of life , but to each its own. I feel at peace just as I am right now w/out doing any single thing for anyone. I possess a great certainty about life and enjoy the most small of the details about it. When I do a selfless act , it IS a selfless act. I don’t seek “feeling good with myself” as I ALREADY feel good with myself as I am right now. I don’t seek “recognition” (and frequently my help goes unrecognized) , as I have a perfect sense of Being just as I am right now. You should stop hanging out with psychiatrists, Roger ; their strange perspective on life can be contagious!!!
Roger : “Other peoples’ suffering makes me suffer so if I can mitigate their suffering it will mitigate my own. It’s all about me and it will never be any other way.”
Peter : Good! , have it your way then, if you feel satisfied with it. I am certainly not going to try to change your views as I wouldn’t with anybody. Only Scientologist do that , and I am not one of them. Wish you well , though.
Best,
Peter
Hi thetaclear – The threads or whatever they’re called filled up below so I’m posting here. Maybe a bit of background first, I left scn 40 years ago and have no desire to further pursue scn dogma. (dogma; doctrine, tenets, or beliefs, collectively – that was an interesting word search for me – smile) Certainly others wish to pursue things learned in scn further and that’s great.
This discussion (below) started with Eamonn attempting to logically apply a scn (evaluation?) procedure to the running program. Eamonn sharing his thoughts indirectly caused me to clarify my own thoughts about the “tone scale”. My misunderstanding was that I was looking at the whole scale as if they were all emotions which they are not. Many are just elron’s take on states of being. I doubt that any psychologist would describe a patient as covertly hostile which Hubbard portrays as an evil witch ready to lash out. – lol
I don’t negate my own wins or those of anyone else. I think we just place a different level of importance on the scale.
My co-auditor took a ration of shit in CoS even though he kept his sexual preference totally outside of scn lines. Hubbard’s venomous mind led others to immediately regard him as. . . (fill in the blank) So yes I would say that looking at “1.1” in a new unit of time quite pissed me off.
I’m ok, you ok? – (smile) – I left another reply to you way below. Best, Richard
Richard : “Hi thetaclear – The threads or whatever they’re called filled up below so I’m posting here.”
Peter : Got it , Richard.
Richard : Maybe a bit of background first, I left scn 40 years ago and have no desire to further pursue scn dogma. (dogma; doctrine, tenets, or beliefs, collectively – that was an interesting word search for me – smile) Certainly others wish to pursue things learned in scn further and that’s great.”
Peter : Wow, 40 years is a long time. And I am quite all right with you not pursuing Scn or whatever other practices , for that matter. It is a very personal decision , and people should always seek what works for them , and what they in affinity with.
Richard : “This discussion (below) started with Eamonn attempting to logically apply a scn (evaluation?) procedure to the running program. Eamonn sharing his thoughts indirectly caused me to clarify my own thoughts about the ‘tone scale’.”
Peter : Got it.
Richard : “My misunderstanding was that I was looking at the whole scale as if they were all emotions which they are not. Many are just elron’s take on state s of being. I doubt that any psychologist would describe a patient as covertly hostile which Hubbard portrays as an evil witch ready to lash out. – lol ”
Peter : I see your point. However, I think that Scn needs to be looked at as a whole instead of as individual and isolated parts , if we want to REALLY be unbiased and objective about it. Otherwise, many faulty interpretations can occur. For example, perhaps just reading the Chart of Human Evaluation one might get the idea that LRH thought of 1.1s as “witches” ready to be burned at the stake . But if you read SOS carefully ( “Science of Survival” ) , and others books that followed. And if you read the C/S Series and LRH’s personal C/Sed cases, you would understand how little he cared about the person’s tone level. He couldn’t care less about it as far as auditing was concerned.
Not in even ONE of LRH’s C/Ses you will find not even ONE single critical comment about a PC regarding his alleged tone level. What you WILL find are many, many criticisms towards auditors that assumed a critical attitude toward their PCs. You see what I mean ? Scn is frequently evaluated using a two-valued “logic” system instead of a infinite-valued logic system where proper discernment and many factors are evaluated as well , and properly taken into consideration .
This does not mean that LRH was infallible and a saint ; he wasn’t by a long, long , long ways. He acted very destructive in many , many ways , and that’s why he had the Karma he had. He deserved that Karma. He EARNED it , all right. But it DOES mean that just because LRH lied to us in lots of occasions, that ALL of Scn is then immediately a lie or unworkable ; that ISN’T the case at all. But Richard , you want to know one cognition that I recently had ? I realized that VERY FEW Scientologists really understood Scn to begin with ; very few indeed. They didn’t because of the cult mentality they adopted about it all (precipitated by LRH’s own writings, of course).
Richard : “I don’t negate my own wins or those of anyone else. I think we just place a different level of importance on the scale.”
Peter : Yes, we do. My importance is based, however, in hundreds of hrs of DIRECT application. And the scale is something that becomes a knowingness in you in that you don’t “think” about it in your daily life, or in your handlings and interacting with other people. It is more like those wise advises from our parents that became so useful to us once we acquired a firm reality on them. I do NOT think on the tone scale. I seldom do. But I instinctively use it in life to ESTABLISH ARC with others , not to “control” them or “handle” them to do what I want.
Richard : “My co-auditor took a ration of shit in CoS even though he kept his sexual preference totally outside of scn lines. Hubbard’s venomous mind led others to immediately regard him as. . . (fill i n the blank) So yes I would say that looking at “1.1” in a new unit of time quite pissed me off.”
Peter : And I quite agree with you on that point. And in fact , that’s the point more protested about as regards to the scale. That and LRH’s comment about “disposing of the ones below 2.0”. But out of those two points (BOTH misguided and totally WRONG) , the WHOLE scale was discarded and invalidated. A two-valued “logic” was used to evaluate it all. NO historical context was taken into consideration in such “evaluation” as apparently even you are failing to use now.
Richard 90-95% of Earth’s population BELIEVED , around the ’50s and the ’60s , that homosexuality was some kind of mental disorder. Please , let’s not be hypocrites now and PRETENT we didn’t. Homosexuality was OFFICIALLY considered a mental disorder by BOTH psychologists and psychiatrists around that period of time and up to the late ’70s when things stated to change a LITTLE ; just a little.
Homosexuals tended to be (forced to be by a suppressive society pretending to tell us who the fuck to love) covertly hostile towards society at large, and who the hell is to blame them for it ? I would have felt EXACTLY the same way. That’s only natural when we feel cornered.
But not in even ONE single of LRH’s C/Ses ; not even in one specific of those C/Ses did LRH EVER C/Sed to CHANGE the sexual preference of any one PC , nor to order any “Ethics” handling regarding the alleged “misconduct” of any PC , save it was an obvious misconduct that would affect his auditing such as promiscuity, cheating on your sexual partner, or engaging in sexual practices with minors. But other than that , he couldn’t care less, and most of the time , he didn’t even bother, but opted to just process the individual as the ultimate handling for deep-rooted 2D aberrations. So you can see, Richard, that using a multiple-valued logic system and taking into account historical context is a must for any unbiased and objective evaluation of ANYTHING.
Richard : “I’m ok, you ok? – (smile) – I left another reply to you way below. Best, Richard”
Peter : Yes, my friend , I am ok if you are ok. :-)))
Best ,
Peter
Peter – And THUS we reach a meeting of the minds! Laughter! Here is something that has been rolling around in my mind, not related to our conversation, just in general. I probably read it somewhere:
“It’s a great blessing that human beings can’t laugh and be angry at the same time” – author unknown
Richard
Richard : “Peter – And THUS we reach a meeting of the minds! Laughter! ”
Peter : Yes , we have! 🙂
Richard : “Here is something t hat has been rolling around in my mind, not related to our conversation, just in general. I probably read it somewhere:
“It’s a great blessing that human beings can’t laugh and be angry at the same time ” – author unknown
Peter : That’s a great quote indeed! , so true , thanks.
🙂
The description of the “Whole Track Cause Vitality Rundown” with oxygen mask and instruction to “keep breathing” is hilarious. My first laugh of the day!
Frankie’s Success Story tells me that Frankie likes auditing processes, sec checking, and running. He didn’t mention doing any form of study in his previous services, yet did the CRD three times. Bottom line: the guy likes to run and be active. This is what is fun for him, and he’s willing to spend lots of time and energy, plus his money on it. Patient girlfriend indeed. End of story.
Well, skinny has it that there is a new Super Cause Resurgence rundown in the wings. And it’s much much better, orders of magnitude better in fact. I’m going to let the cat out of the bag and give you the process (of course you’ll need the full theory HCOB to fully appreciate the magnificence of this priceless new level.)
OK, here it is:
Sit in that chair. Keep sitting. Don’t think. Keep sitting.
— All run solo, so you’ll have to have GAT II Solo Part One done to be eligible. Cause Resurgence Rundown is a prerequisite and this new level is best done IMMEDIATELY after completion of CRRD.
You can get a taste of the new process by visiting Sonya.
Always relevant are Ron’s “Running Program” advices, the raw despatch snippets that gave the background of the Running Program (today’s Cause Resurgence Rundown).
And the fact that as is explained in the final pages of Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear…” book, LRH told Sarge that LRH planned to go circle a star when LRH dropped his bod.
Ron was self C/Sing himself for the rejuvenating “OT Running Program.”
Failed Case L. Ron Hubbard was self C/Sing himself the next step of the Bridge, and really, were Miscavige to wrap his head around the actual snippets Hubbard left, I think Miscavige ought to scare up some rumors of how EVERYONE in Scientology ought to just get onto this one size fits all “case” rejuvenating “Rundown”.
It’s physically better than the crank crackpot exorcism of body thetans.
I mean Ron didn’t self C/S himself for more “body thetan” exorcism OT 7, he opted for the OT Running Program as his own next case action, LOL!
Remember the original running programme, back in the 70’s?
Abiut six of us from staff were out on it.
It involved wearing that silver rubber suit, and running six miles a day, BEFORE POST HOURS:/
Running down the sidewalks through neighborhoods, not out PR at all, lol.
It was a pilot programme, and there were vague insinuations that we were the fucked up ones and could be fixed with this programme.
The dietary restrictions were brutal too. Only fruit, and tiny bit of dairy and maybe some vegetables. But the thing was staff were already undernourished, and this just removed several of the few food items available to us.
The whole thing was a pilot programme, and I guess it later became the purification.
None of us finished it, staff emergencies pulled us off, one by one… like they ha.
Hi Victoria Pandora, A great post, took me right back in the sweat program day!End of 76-78.Very similar diet restrictions to what you got, and no pole running just Griffith Park trails as the track.That rubber suit must have been ghastly in the heat,but I must tell you a roll of strong Saran Wrap was not only ghastly but hysterical!I Had to run by myself and trying to wrap my legs, hips and anywhere else to be covered by the stuff was quite a feat! Love, Ann PS my spell kill spelled rubber suit as fibber suit for some reason.Seems appropriate for cos.
OMG you had to use saran wrap in 77/78? We had rubberized suits in 77/78 at the old AOLA purif in basement of the manor. Never heard of using saran wrap LOL 🙂
Hi Cece, I hear you it does sound ridiculous.Yet a few persons in the Intelligence arm of GO,instructed me to use Saran Wrap.Looking back thank goodness I was told to run at 5:00 am and sometimes earlier.If a properly attired hiker or runner had come along later and seen me barefoot as well,that was part of my program,they would have fled in terror.The Manor lots of memories good and bad there for me.Love,Ann.
Saran Wrap, OMG that’s hilarious.
Another great PR move by the church Hahahaha.
Yeah, we were doing ours in Dallas in JANUARY.
Some of the guys sweated, but I never did once.
I was always freezing.
Yet another aspect of my poor failed case;)
I just remember one day an old friend who was really worried about me and what I’d gotten myself into drove by and saw me running. He gave me a twenty dollar bill and begged me to go buy myself a steak.
I didn’t forget that, and I managed to land at his house once I got offloaded from the mission (we lived there) and he helped me get back on my feet.
Thanks for the reminder, I’d gotten it into my head that it was called the running programme, but you’re right it was the SWEAT programme. How could I forget? Haha.
Hi Victoria Pandora, I loved your post! I could not get the name of the ” sweat program ” for the longest time.I was stuck on the Purif and the running around the pole rundown or circledown Finally I remembered that it was the Sweat Program. How could we forget freezing and broiling! Did you ever get the ” You will not freeze or broil as you run in heavy winter old school sweats over the Saran! If you get those TRs in and as a Sea Org member you are at cause over the temperature! OK Sir I’ll switch places with you! Laughter!
I had a very similar experience to yours while sweating away.After muster one early pm, a DIv 7 Asho F came up to me and said This is an order.Take $20.00 and go get a hamburger because you are white as a sheet and I am sure you have had little protein. I do not eat meat very much anymore but I eat little pieces of it like Asians do.However in those days,I had had no meat,no veg just coffee apples and yogurt for over three weeks.Bread was heaven if I snatched some from the mess table when no-one was about.Strange Days.I was not allowed to eat in the mess anymore not even at my favorite face the wall spot.lol.
Look forward to your postsLove,Ann.
I’m just so happy we all have eachother now on the internetz, and cool sites like Mikes.
I was out for soooo long and never one person who could have related to the whole $cientology experience. Plus who wants to admit to it? lol.
Thanks Ann! I really enjoy your posts too:)
No Projest? You poor thing!
Thank you Janis
What I believe it comes down to, is the method which gets utilized to get potential participants to engage in an activity — whether it be doing the Cause Resurgence Rundown, or anything else.
Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation
#16 — Method Used By Subject To Handle Others
4.0 Gains support by creative enthusiasm and vitality backed by reason.
3.5 Gains support by creative reasoning and vitality.
3.0 Invites support by practical reasoning and social graces.
2.5 Careless of support from others.
2.0 Nags and bluntly criticizes to demand compliance with wishes.
1.5 Uses threats, punishment and alarming lies to dominate others.
1.1 Nullifies others to get them to level where they can be used.
Devious and vicious means. Hypnotism, gossip. Seeks hidden control.
0.5 Enturbulates others to control them. Cries for pity. Wild lying to gain sympathy.
0.1 Pretends death so others will not think him dangerous and will go away.
If there was before and after testing in place, to determine what actual real world benefit individuals gain from doing such a program, this could only garner confidence in those with an inkling of desire to partake in the action.
ref:
Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation
http://www.volunteerministers.org/sites/default/files/booklets/tone-scale-en.pdf
I dont understand your point?
Well, Mike, if I came up to you and punched you several times in the head and ordered you to jog around the track (on the threat of another wallop if you didn’t), you may or may not start jogging. But if I was to sit down with you and in pleasant conversation, show you a batch of before and after reports (from a reputable independent evaluation source), which proved conclusively that doing the Cause Resurgence Rundown had created substantial real world gains in a significant number of individuals, I imagine I’d have a better chance of convincing you to sign up for the program (assuming the price I was asking wasn’t astronomical).
Eamonn, I agree with you that imparting knowledge as a means of persuasion yields greater success than using threats and coercion. However, if the knowledge in question doesn’t make sense to the other person then it may not be knowledge at all but its poor cousin, baloney. Interestingly, while Hubbard created all kinds of eval checklists he must have been otherwise engaged when it came to a simple method for determining the truthfulness of a bold claim.
its called jogging. nothing wrong with jogging. everyone knows there are benefits. its the space opera BS that is in question
“Hubbard created all kinds of eval checklists he must have been otherwise engaged when it came to a simple method for determining the truthfulness of a bold claim.”
The link at the end of my original comment is this thread, is to a 32-page booklet which contains a copy of the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation. Column #8, Handling of Truth, which can be utilized in determining the truthfulness of individuals with various levels of theta endowment, is listed there.
Thank you for the thread it’s been a long time since I was in a scientology book. You’re suggesting one determine the veracity of somebody’s claims by profiling them according to Hubbard’s emotion scale? What about examining not them but the merits of their claims? A covertly hostile person whom you have categorized as 1.1 on the scale, can sometimes tell the truth! That alone makes the scale unreliable.
Besides, I’m not in agreement with referring to human interaction as “handling” people. The Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation is a terribly important sounding title but it’s very general and I’ve seen WAY too many exceptions to his rules to see it as better than consulting a horoscope.
I’m wondering if “Covert Hostility” is an actual scientifically recognized human emotion or just a crock of shit Hubbard invented to justify his homophobia.
Richard : “I’m wondering if “Covert Hostility” is an actual scientifically recognized human emo tion or just a crock of shit Hubbard invented to justify his homophobia.”
Don’t think so much in terms of “scientifically recognized” , Richard. I mean, you see every day the absurdities that “scientists” are capable of, specially the ones working on physical health and psychological subjects. Absurdities not any less unscientific that many of LRH’s “research”. People frequently turn to “science” or see it as this infallible “authority” ,and can even become cultic about it.
Don’t take me wrong , I LOVE science and actually, I am quite trained on it, specially physics and math. But being a student of History of Science , has taught me how silly and plain ridiculous “scientist” can become. Judge everything by its workability from your OWN perspective and experiences ; that’s the way to go. Judge it by how much alignment any data bring to life, and how much you can accurately predict phenomena with it.
Even though that “homophobia” was part of the phenomena of that tone level – and misguidedly so, I may add – this was just a VERY small part of the characteristics observed to define that particular tone level. “Covert Hostility” IS a fact of life. I am even amazed as to how it is that you have not noticed it yourself. I mean, I knew this since before Scn ; we usually called it “hypocrisy” , “disloyalty” , “treacherous” , and such names. No need for any “scientist” to explain and “validate” that for us at all. The Tone Scale is a product of empirical observations. Anyone can derive it if one is a competent observer.
Roger : ” A covertly hostile person whom you have categorized as 1.1 o n the scale, can sometimes tell the truth! That alone makes the scale unreliable.”
Peter : The basic text that fully describe each part of the Chart of Human Evaluation is “Science of Survival”. In that book you’ll find something LRH calls “Theta Endowment” , and he describes those “exceptions to the rule” and why they frequently occur. But if you can’t even open the book (and I am not saying that you can’t ) to read it out of some justified or not (mostly justified , I would say) accumulated charge with the subject , then there is no way for you to evaluate those points , and to determine its validity or lack thereof. Most every rule has its exceptions, Roger. That doesn’t necessarily make a system of prediction/evaluation wrong.
The Scale refers to the principal inclination that the individual has to behave in acertain way. This does not mean that he so behave like that 100% , 24 hrs a day, and that’s even fully explained by LRH in SOS. Influenced by other high toned individuals, by education, and by the “I am supposed to(s)” moral choices that society force on us , a low toned individual can manifest many characteristics of higher tones. But pushed by the environment or overwhelmed by life, those low tone characteristics start to manifest in VERY accurare ways.
Roger : “Besides, I’m not in agreement with referring to human interaction as “handling” people. The Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation is a terribly important sounding title but it’s very general and I’ve seen WAY too many exceptions to his rules to see it as better than consulting a horoscope.”
Peter : No at all, Roger. As I said above, those exceptions are well covered in the theory behind the Chart. Is it perfect ? Of course it isn’t. Is it valuable enough to predict behavior so as to understand others better, being able to help them, and to also being able to protect yourself from Insidiously destructive associations ? Oh YES, it IS. More than 500 hrs of practicing that scale in life (Tone Scale drills) , and hundreds of hrs of applying it to life , have convinced myself of that.
Peter, I’m the guy who stormed out of his own house because a guest wouldn’t admit Ron Hubbard was the greatest man who ever lived. No need to enlighten me on his tone scale. I know exactly what it is and what it is meant to be. I simply don’t place value in it because only on the RAREST of occasions throughout my life have I felt as though I needed to predict somebody’s behavior due to a sense of threat I perceived from them. Also, I don’t consider it my, or anybody else’s calling in life to “help” people (except in a professional capacity). Yeah, lend a hand when you can and lay down your life if it’s the appropriate thing to do but honestly, the best way to “handle” or “help” people in my opinion is to be polite if you can’t be friendly and basically STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY!
Our main objectives in human relationships is to try not to hurt anybody’s feelings, not get fired, not get arrested and not get punched in the nose. Those objectives are easily met by the simple common sense and self-discipline people have been employing since the Flintstones.
Roger : “Peter, I’m the guy who stormed out of his own house because a guest wouldn’t admit Ron Hubbard was the greatest man who ever lived. No need to enlighten me on his tone scale.”
Peter : Ok then.
Roger : “I know exactly what it is and what it is meant to be.”
Peter : With all due respect, Roger , it didn’t seem to me that way , and your comment below attest to that.
Roger : “I simply don’t place value in it because only on the RAREST of occasions throughout my life have I felt as though I needed to predict somebody’s behavior due to a sense of threat I perceived from them.”
Peter : Neither do I perceive any threat from others , Roger. If you feel that “predicting human behavior” has anything to do with “protecting ourselves from threats” , then I am afraid you got it all wrong, my friend. It is about UNDERSTANDING others , and thus, being able to relate better with them. But as so many things from LRH that most of the Churchies totally misunderstood , the tone scale was used by them to “protect” themselves from imagined “evils” or “threats”. It was used by them to INDIVIDUATE from others. And that’s a wrong use of the scale.
Roger : “Also, I don’t consider it my, or anybody else’s calling in life to “help” people (except in a professional capacity).”
Peter : Well Roger , I am a priest , and that’s what priests do. I am not a psychotherapist if you got that impression from me , even though that I don’t think – modesty apart – that there are that many psychotherapists better than me out-there.
Roger : “Yeah, lend a hand when you can and lay down your life if it’s the appropriate thing to do but honestly, the best way to “handle” or “help” people in my opinion is to be polite if you can’t be friendly and basically STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY!”
Peter : Now, that’s a very strange way to live indeed! Sorry , that’s not how I see life. Too individuated for my taste. I happen to have lots of individuals that for some strange reason seek out to me for help, for advice. And I frequently spend dozens of hrs helping them, not “helping” them as you described it. And you know what ? I do it for free, always have. So I have no need for lectures as regards to how to live my life neither.
Roger : “Our main objectives in human relationships is to try not to hurt anybody’s feelings, not get fired, not get arrested and not get punched in the nose. Those objectives are easily met by the simple common sense and self-discipline people have been employing since the Flintstones.”
Peter : Sorry Roger ; that’s just a very defeated perspective of life from my viewpoint. I could never live my life like that. It lack purpose and inspiration. It is an apathetic acceptance of control from the environment. Just don’t sign me up for that kind of life.
Take care.
Peter
Thank you Peter for your deep analysis of the Tone scale and my views about it. In contradiction to you I say, life is NOT about understanding people. It is about understanding YOURSELF. If you understand yourself then you will understand EVERYBODY because we are all the same person operating under a different mix of conditions.
I’m afraid I’m going to have to officially object to being moralized to by somebody who says, “with all due respect…”. You denounced my perspectives and said they sounded without purpose and inspiration. I understand how you would see it that way because you need purpose and inspiration. I do not. I’m completely satisfied. Don’t purpose and inspiration merely serve to provide satisfaction? I’m already satisfied. You needn’t take a morally superior tone with me. It doesn’t cause me to think I’m being spoken to by a person who is morally superior to me.
Roger : “Thank you Peter for your deep analysis of the Tone scale and my views about it. In contradiction to you I say, life is NOT about understanding people. It is about understanding YOURSELF. If you understand yourself then you will understand EVERYBODY because we are all the same person operating under a different mix of conditions.”
Peter : Yeah , I can agree with that viewpoint. That’s why I read and agree with many of Adyashanti’s teachings. My point was that the scale wasn’t designed to “control” and “handle” people in a bad way , and I stand by what I originally said as regards to that.
Roger : “I’m afraid I’m going to have to officially object to being moralized to by somebody who says, “with all due respect…”. ”
Peter : You are perfectly entitled to so object.
Roger : “You denounced my perspectives and said they sounded without purpose and inspiration.”
Peter : I didn’t “denounce” anything unless you take expressing my opinions about your views on that as a personal attack which it wasn’t at all. But I disagree with living our lives like that as you perhaps disagree with living a life where Scn is used in it. So let’s not take this personal as it isn’t.
Roger : “I understand how you would see it that way because you need purpose and inspiration. I do not. I’m completely satisfied. Don’t purpose and inspiration merely serve to provide satisfaction? I’m already satisfied.”
Peter : Yes, it can serve that goal, but it can also become something completely selfless. I don’t care to satisfy myself as such, you know ; I care about helping others find satisfaction in life. And I am quite all right with you being satisfied with life. I dropped the need for a two-valued logic about life a long time ago.
Roger : ” You needn’t take a morally superior tone with me. It doesn’t cause me to think I’m being spoken to by a person who is morally superior to me.
Peter : I am really sorry if that’s the way you perceived it. I don’t feel superior to anybody. I got rid of that cultic habit that so many Scientologists had, a VERY long tike ago. I just didn’t agree with your viewpoints about the scale and about life. If that makes me “superior” from your perspective, then so be it.
Peter, I have never done a selfless act in my life. Every act of so-called ‘kindness’ I’ve ever done was for the sake of preserving my own peace of mind or to be recognized as a wonderful person. Other peoples’ suffering makes me suffer so if I can mitigate their suffering it will mitigate my own. It’s all about me and it will never be any other way.
Richard, El Ray wrote quite a bit about what he called “Covert Hostility” as a personality type. He was basically describing himself. As far as the Tone Scale being “tested”. No, there has never been scientific testing done to determine its accuracy. Would be interesting to get a qualified scientific test done by qualified scientists.
What check list do you think Ron was using when he asked to be electrocuted to destroy BTs and commit suicide? This being his final OT rundown in fact.
I believe the Altitude we give Ron is an imaginary projection of our own potential that we use to keep the “wise image” of Ron intact.
To keep the image of wisdom projected on him, in light of the fact that running BTs led LRH to choose suicide, is…………………………………. (Fill in the blank)
The problem as I see it, is there is a whole swath of beings whom the Church currently does not cater to. Those neglected brethren I am referring to here, are the beings without bodies. Shortly I will shed this current bag of bones (in two weeks time my body will be 60-years-old). So when I ‘leave the building’, why should I have to acquire a new body in order to continue services? If one simply remains exterior, due to not going the ‘inhabiting another body route’, one will not then need to bother exteriorizing one’s soul with processing. There are also other benefits. The Running Program would be so much easier without a body — not being located in space, one would be at the beginning and the end of the running track at the same time. Therefore, completion of the program would be instantaneous, due to no time being involved to move from start to finish. The Purification Rundown would be no sweat, because one would have no sweat to sweat out. And why shouldn’t one be right at the cutting edge, right there with the latest and greatest and thoroughly up-to-date stuff Ron is messing with? Afterall, this is the latest research he’s been working on for years now; what he’s been involved with since 2000 hours, Friday 24 January 1986. “The body he had used to facilitate his existence in this universe had ceased to be useful and had become an impediment to the work he must do outside its confines.” (Hollywood Palladium announcement of LRH’s passing).
I gain a new piece of human subjective reality.
Hey Mike. Maybe it would make sense if he continued listing the levels below zero. Delusion.
But the quote he is using refers to a scale only annotated between 0 and 4 ?
For example, PC is delusional. Therefore writes to the story he wrote. Method used, delusion.
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Hi Eamonn – Maybe this is using some form of “tone scale tech” to encourage otherwise unmotivated people into participating in a worthwhile activity? Your point is fuzzy to me and I don’t pursue scn thinking or data evaluations.
The garbage in the tone scale has often been pointed out in that “sympathy” is regarded as debased, degraded, downstat. It’s part of elron instilling a superiority complex into scnists.
Eamonn – I just read your reply to Mike. As usual you present valid viewpoints. However, to the best of my knowledge, Scn has never done independent evaluation. It’s wishful thinking. What you suggest is what a legitimate business should do. Unsubstantiated hype about vitamins, exercise programs etc.etc. abound. Buyer beware – lol.
Without very close attention to what one is doing, the tone scale leads to evaluation and judgement of people.
The more I think about it the entire “tone scale” is pure Hubbard bullshit to serve his own purposes. The numerical assignments are mystical nonsense to impute significance. Death is not an emotion and there are no “emotions” below death. These are merely states of mind. This list could keep right on going.
If you wish to use a “Scale of Human Emotion” (King’s English) in your data evaluations, I believe one would exist in a legitimate scientific or psychological text. A comparison would be interesting.
It seems you accept Hubbard’s scale as factual scientific reality. Of course it contains direct observational parts which are valid, but as a whole I don’t buy into it. End of Sermon! Laughter! (Sunday afternoon – just having some fun)
I have found the Tone Scale to be quite valid , Richard. If you look at it carefully you’ll find that it is quite capable of predicting human behavior, and thus,making you able to choose your associates (marital partners , friends, business associates, employees, etc) better. Man , an associate can boost you up in life or crush yo down towards tragedy.
It is not the scale at such that is a fault , it is its use by fundamentalist Hubbard(tomized) robots that is. But the scale can predict behavior in a very accurate way, which is the yardstick to verify the workability or lack thereof of hypothesis and theories ; prediction of phenomena.
My own disgreements with the Tone Scale are two :
1. “Sympathy” is wrongly placed as a “low” point in the scale. But I have to grant LRH the benefit of the doubt there , in that he could have meant all along the “need to be pitied by others” , which IS a low tone manifestation , and in that case , should be placed near apathy and grief. In the Full Tone Scale (the one with the cartoons) it is described as the act of “giving sympathy” if one just look at the cartoons. But it wasn’t LRH that drew such cartoons. So it is not really clear what flow (“you to others” , “others to you” , etc) LRH was referring to.
I can’t find any of his writings pointing out that “showing compassion” to others or “being empathetic” was wrong , but just the opposite, if you read precepts #19 and #20 of the “Way to Happiness” booklet. Personally , I feel that LRH is being wrongly quoted as regards to this point of “Sympathy”. That he might have been , doesn’t change in any way, that he acted very destructive in several of his writings. This one – the Tone Scale and the “Chart of Human Evaluation – is not one of those cases excepting categorizing homosexuality as a 1.1 behavior. But didn’t most of us categorized it as a mental disorder of some sort as well , in those past years when society behaved like Neanderthals regarding that ?
2. “Death” placed at 0.0 on the scale seems ok as we are talking about human manifestations, and not about the spirit itself, but the compositive. But I see every day those tones allegedly below “Death” , manifesting themselves in life with great frequency. LRH didn’t clarify what he meant by most of those tones below death as it was frequent with him to fail to give enough life examples of what he meant. He failed miserably with great frequency in applying his OWN researched (or copied, plagarized, whatever) Sudy Tech to his own writings. There is a LOT of mass lacking in many of his writings that he could have VERY easily provided, and more so if he allegedly understood the phenomena of “Lack of Mass” , and “Skipped Gradients”.
But having explained all that , I can’t honestly say that the Tone Scale and the Chart of Human Evaluation are not based on empirical observations ; they ARE , per my own observations and interaction with others. And I am no dilettante nor a fundamentalist. I am a free thinker who don’t give a rat’s ass about LRH or Scn for that matter. I only care for what works.
Hi thetaclear! Nice to see you! – On this post I finally cognited why elron called it a TONE scale. It allowed him to add his own think to recognized emotions.
I was particularly bent out of shape when I reconsidered the 1.1 covert hostility item since I spent MANY hours co-auditing with a gay guy who was a dedicated auditor and one of the kindest people I’ve known. Yes I’ve observed 1.1 behavior. It’s “snotty” or whatever (laugh) and IMO easily recognizable.
In everyday human interaction I find no need to refer to an extended scale of emotions. The “top” of the scale is Hubbard’s carrot on the stick and the bottom “being objects” “can’t hide” etc. etc. is philosophical mumbo jumbo. IMO it’s a waste of time to even consider such things. Best, Richard
Richard : “Hi thetaclear! Nice to see you! – On this post I finally cognited why elron called it a TONE scale. It allowed him to add his own think to recognized emotions.”
Peter : Nice to see you too! – I got what you are trying to say , but I don’t see it that way, though.
Richard : “I was particularly bent out of shape when I reconsidered the 1.1 covert hostility item since I spent MANY hours co-auditing with a gay guy who was a dedicated auditor and one of the kindest people I’ve known.”
Peter : I am afraid that I lost you there. What does those co-auditing sessions with that gentle auditor has to do with the 1.1 subject ?
Richard : “Yes I’ve observed 1.1 behavior. It’s “s notty” or whatever (laugh) and IMO easily recognizable.”
Peter : My point exactly ; it is EASILY recognizable , but yet you were wondering whether or not “Covert Hostility” had any “scientific” validity, and I just pointed out that it needed none , as it was a VERY obvious reality of life.
Richard : “In everyday human interaction I find no need to refer to an extended scale of emotions.”
Peter : Good then ; by all means, keep the reality that works best for you. In my case I DO see the advantages to know that scale, and it actually helps me to successfully interact with others everyday. With my knowledge of it – which I’ve found is quite superior than most Scientologists – I can frequently earn the ARC of the most stubborn and unfriendly individuals after just a few comm cycles with them. So no amount of words from you or any other poster can’t possibly convince me of its “invalidity”.
Richard : “The “top” of the scale is Hubbard’s carrot on the stick and the bottom “being objects” “can’t hide” etc. etc. is philosophical mumbo jumbo. IMO it’s a waste of ti me to even consider such things. Best, Richard”
Peter : As I said before ; by all means, keep whatever reality that works best for you, and I’ll do the same.
Best,
Peter
Somewhere along the Bridge, for everyone, there is really no success except finishing the level and being allowed to go on to the next level.. but, unless you write a glowing success story, you will have to grind on and on…
I am confident that the policy of requiring success stories after each level was created as cover-up of any failures in the tech: Specifically: 1) Writing a success story “to get onto the next level” was also intended as a self hypnosis process. And, 2) Publishing the success story kept everyone below the level agreeing and paying for their next level.
To get where? Running around a pole and writing success stories about running around a pole.
Enforcing success stories at each level is cheap carnival trick to get slaves and money.
But, it only works if the Bridge is a secrete. It’s only still a secrete to some few old timers, their children and some poor souls with foreign languages with limited access to the truth about Scientology.
well said.
I can kind of understand people doing this once, especially since no one tells you that the running program is actually running beforehand. but 3 times?!? it’s clearly a case of people getting “runner’s high” and attributing the euphoria to LRH’s wisdom. it is amazing what people will convince themselves of, whether it’s that running makes them more “at cause” (whatever that means) or that any sec check can be beautiful (isn’t the very definition of the term “security check”?)
I guess the reason they don’t just pay for a gym membership is the same for most people, they won’t actually use it unless someone has a gun to their head (or in this case, their spiritual freedom for millenia.) that must be worth the money, eh?
Good question, what DOES “more at cause” mean? I always thought it meant that you felt more, you know, at cause or whatever.
If running is such a panacea for spiritual wholeness, why am I having such a hard time imagining the greatest of thetans, Mr. Elron, running anywhere or for any reason? I’d love to see the fat boy wheezing away (with a messenger in hot pants running along, holding his ashtray) though…
Hi Todd Cray, Me too, Todd me too.Although in 74 two of those blonde hot panted ashtray holders came to Asho D & F.The Kool Aid was so strong I swore they were Thetan-Angels. Even those first Sea Org months as an expediter,I certainly did not look as good as they did! Always,Ann.
When I was in the Army I hated physical training, especially running. If I could do it now at my age i think I would merely be annoyed.
I also loathed running during PT…no, let me rephrase that. I loathed PT in general. And it loathed me back. Thanks to running during PT, I’ve had to have four knee surgeries, and one back surgery courtesy of sit-ups. And my doctor wonders why I don’t exercise.
I loved running when I was younger. Every year, getting ready for soccer training, i would run and run forever. I loved being outside, the smells of fall in the air and hearing the birds chirping away. No doubt that runners high was amazing – felt on top of the world after a good ten miler.
But when I had to run at practice, i hated it. I felt forced and boxed in, I just wanted to run, not be told how to run or where to run. So now I watch my dog run, while I sit and have a cocktail in the evening.
Much better.
Hi gtsix, Love your post.Always love U,Ann.
An excellent remark, Todd Cray. He never did follow his own advice now, did he? Too busy raking in the money.
“If running is such a panacea for spiritual wholeness, why am I having such a hard time imagining the greatest of thetans, Mr. Elron, running anywhere or for any reason? I’d love to see the fat boy wheezing away (with a messenger in hot pants running along, holding his ashtray) though…” Now, THAT hit my funny bone this early, Monday morning.
If the Running Program gave such spiritual enhancement, it would not have been used as a Punishment weapon.
When David Mayo was hit with cannon fire, he was forced to do the running program 12 hours a day. Many an exec has been sent for Running Program punishment over the years especially at Gold Base/Int Base. It was only when the German camera crew flew over taking images of the Running track, did the Running Track vanish at the base only to be resurrected in the Super Power Building in Clearwater where no overhead helicopter can film the program.
I was forced onto the Running Program during my RPF cycle as pure punishment.
Punishment and spiritual ? Both ?
So now you can keep giving the Flag Service Org $2500 a pop to run around the pole, make your own body run, while FSO rakes in the $$$$$$.
Will that be cash ? Visa ? MC ? Amex ?
Hi Karen#1, Thank you for showing the true nature of the running program.Your posts always educate me.Love, Ann.
Is there anything they don’t invert?
I find it kind of interesting that people not only think that running around a pole for hours is a valid process for spiritual gain, but they actually need a C/S to tell them when they’re done? I guess people who run for their own enjoyment who are not Scilons are continually overrunning the process?
OH WOW! It’s no wonder miscavige won’t ever be seen in public. How embarrassing to be questioned about or caught out taking candy off babies. What part of moron doesn’t a scientologist understand?
Geezers, these people have cognited themselves stupid!
Now that David Mscavige is
SELLING AIR TO BREATH this seems to
top P.T. Barnum.
My question is,
Has the COB Patented this ?
What happens if someone who is a
cause resurgence comp stops breathing,
how many D.M.’s lawyers will sue him ?
Last,How many Under the radar air breathers are there?
“It unstuck me from some terrible events of past lives that I never realized I was stuck in because I never ever ever felt stuck in anything.” FA
Doing for the third time, not just laps but SCIENTOLOGY TECH laps, caused FA to recall past life memories (not to be confused with imaginary thinking). He realized he had been “stuck” in those memories and didn’t even know it! He’s not stuck in them anymore because he spotted them and that caused them to go away or whatever. (It’s based on the Hubbard principle, as-yet undiscovered by science, that when you see something for what it is it disappears) Now he’s “unstuck”!
But wait, my spirit guides are telling me when he does the rundown a FOURTH time he’s going to report being unstuck from “terrible past life events” and now feels a lot better! and he’ll write a glowing win about it again only he’ll make it sound like a new “win”. Deja vu all over again.
It’s the scientology lifestyle. You have “win” after “win” after “win” by freeing yourself from “terrible past life events” without any significant transformation distinguishing you as superior to any other bloke on the street. That’s a lot like running around in circles. The Cause Resurgence Rundown is quintessential scientology.
I’m reminded of a time I was commanded, forced to give a win at an ASHO Graduation early 80s in spite of refusals. I went along of course, but it was so made up…
Same thing, Ronn. I was on staff and taking a course. When the execs asked for a “Success Story,” I said, “The course was ok, but, nothing to write home about.” You’d have thought I had just called Hubbard The Whore of Babylon. They were pissed and said, “Well, you’re going to have to do it all over again.” So I gave a halfhearted Success Story. I realized that there is a ton of anger in scientology. It’s rampant.
Hi OSD, Your post resonated because when I had to endlessly do the condition write ups and if I was deemed worthy to start working my way back up,I needed to write up my wins.After awhile however, I realized this was a one way street where my success stories only went so far if I expressed in any way entheta about doing the conditions for the millionth time.
Love your comment on the whore of Babylon.Priceless.Always look for your posts OSD, I cherish them too.xoAnn.
OSD – The Whore of Babylon – laughter! I think some version of that was applied to me after I broke up with a scn girlfriend years ago. Actually, I was placed “In Treason”. Scio-speak is descriptive at times
Was this running program originated by LRH…..????
Yes, the Running Program was originated by LRH. His first order on it was to David Mayo to have Janis (me) and John Nelson (he had just been removed as CO CMO Int) run. There was no pole or detailed instructions – just, run. At the time LRH wrote this first order on having me run, I was extremely disaffected with the take over of the Mission Network and abuse of the Mission Holders. and the craziness of what was going on in management with DM and other unqualified taking over CMO under DMs control. I was very vocal that LRH was being lied to by DM and others. I did the running program twice, once with no pole and once with a pole and I am still disaffected.
Maybe that’s the EP!
I do believe you have created a new rundown. I am sure that OSA not only reads this blog and the comments, but also makes changes according to the uproar.
Now you’ve put in black and white the perfect con for the film flam man in charge. The Vitality Rundown is probably just around the corner. Hell, they may even make it another of the constantly moving goalposts before OTIX and X can be released.
The aging population will appreciate not being forced to run so it’s a win win situation. (At least in their minds).
Or running anywhere. He had the girls in hot pants doing his running around for him. He smoked and drank a bottle of alcohol a night, my good sources tell me.
Looking at pictures of Hubbard I would surmise he didn’t spend a lot of time running in circles.
Doug, you would be correct. He was fat with his teeth rotting out of his mouth. I guess he didn’t believe in dental or exercise Tech. But, he was a champ when it came to smoking! He had “Smoking Tech” down pat!
“He was fat with his teeth rotting out of his mouth.”
I read in a book some years ago that when he lived at Saint Hill, Hubbard used to have his butler serve him bottles of Coca Cola on a silver tray. Then, in later years, he probably cognited that consuming too many sugary drinks were not good for his health; because he stated: “Sugar is a deceptive thing. It appears to give one energy,” in an HCOB titled PEP which was penned in August 1973. Eventually though, either he or someone else wrote The Way To Happiness (1981) and the piece on Preserving Your Teeth: “If one brushed one’s teeth after every meal, it has been said that one would not suffer tooth decay.” But probably by that stage, it was too late — too many bottles of Coke had already been drunk.
“But, he was a champ when it came to smoking! He had “Smoking Tech” down pat!”
Yes, he seems to have had a thing about Kool cigarettes. And amazingly, right up to just before his passing. When I was at Adelaide Org in 1979, I remember one of the Executive ladies came into the Org one day with a couple of packets of Kool cigarettes. I followed her into the LRH Office where she went with them. She placed them on the desk and when I asked her about it, she said she’d just bought Ron some “fresh” smokes — like the one’s that were already there were “stale” or something. ‘Fair enough,’ I figured to myself at the time, it would be terrible if he turned up in South Australia dying for a cigarette and discovered they weren’t fresh enough.
It’s reported that it was not only psychs he feared but dentists. As an OT, cause over life, couldn’t he have just repaired his teeth himself?
More like ROLLING in circles
Don’t tease me, James! It’s not polite….
Most beautiful HCO sec check ever?? That’s laying it on real thick. Guy must be scared to death of Church.
Hehehe…like a “beautiful” root canal.
Or…beautiful torture……
Cmon guys, you have to give credit where credit is due…LRH invented running.
Yeah, sort of rhymes with 18 year old ethics officers who’ve never submitted a tax return in their life but have the ultimate power to decide what you do next. Scary place the Cof$.
Yeah, I caught that too! “Have you ever owned a baby farm?” Beautiful, man, that’s so beautiful! Where’s my wallet?
All the testimonials thank cob and rtc. Every time I read those thanks I envision a podium and the person accepting an award for so graciously allowing them to take their money.
Oh, wait. That’s exactly what all those tacky trophies are about. Huh. I guess it’s just practice.
Seriously, would a testimony of services experienced be received/published without a nod to cob rtc?
Do you know of any course or auditing LRH has you do 3 times? Why didn’t they get it the first rime? You do 3 times through the checksheet on the Class 8 Course but that’s not the same thing. That’s a scam!
BDT El Con had people “handling” make believe BT’s for several levels. Different angle each time but basically the same nonsense.
BDT, it’s not a scam! It’s ‘Money Tech.’ C’mon now! In the future they’ll be required to do the “Cause Resurgence RD” AT LEAST 3 time before they get the EP. The Cherch is just making sure it’s the way Ron wanted it to be. And if that requires paying for that rundown 3 times, well, that means that the student is now 3 times better at running around! Seems logical to me…..
Martin Gardner “Fads and Fallacies” book included Hubbard/DIanetics, and Arthur C. Clarke’s one paragraph dismissal of LRH,
https://erooster.tv/video_detail/1173/1/
LRH’s pulp stories of great planet wide cons, I forget the one planet corporation that controled the air and sold it to the population, and then “One Was Stubborn” that a con man sells successfully a soul transcendent practice that does take the whole earth by storm, are two pre Scientology examples of where LRH was headed.
The Running Program advice that says the circular running parallels the ancient space opera civilizations OT therapy run on pure OTs to rejuvenate those therapy needing space civilization full OTs, was enough to sell me on badly wishing to do the Running Program, and I never got to do it, but I sure wanted it.
It was an OT process that undercuts everything, and just doing it parallels ancient OT therapy of star circling, and then reading, if I were a Scientologist, Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear…” and appreciating what Sarge tells Lawrence of what LRH told Sarge, where LRH told Sarge that Hubbard was planning to go circle a star, that is right up the Running Program’s LRH advice that says the Running Program is a parallel OT process on whoever does it today.
Selling pie in the sky.
Jon Atack’s book title, also, where Jon details how Hubbard used the “Blue Sky” phrase, it’s just pure L. Ron Hubbard.
“…it’s pure L.Ron Hubbard.” Hubbard has never been ‘pure.’ Especially with his THREE wives and kids.
“He went crazy and drove a lot of other people crazy.” That pretty much sums it up, thanks Chuck
I think we all paid the price for his so called Case.
Chuck, the story about the planet-wide air scam is one in the “Doc Methuselah” book.
Take something simple and make it seem profound so suckers will buy it. From the LRH quote “. . . . uninfluenced by a tremendous number of ridges which match your wavelength.” Give me a break. Condensed version “Just be yourself” – Gee, I never thought of that.
Mike, thank you for posting the Human Rights article under “Important Articles”.
Sadly someone I know in the SO was attempting to “sell” this running program over the tely, and due to its confidential nature (to those still in), the salesman did not even know what he was selling! Get that point, the salesperson at FLAG does not know what the program is! When I pointed out that its just running around a pole endlessly the salesperson just started “line charging” (lulz or many lol in Hubbardarian)
I remember in early 80’s a big money making scheme that Scientologists latched onto in Calif.
Earthquake in a can….no one made it up the bridge on that one.
Cause Resurgence sounds like a bad case of acid reflux.
Isn’t” Resurgence” just another name for throwing up?
Yeah, I sometimes do that when I run too much.
Hi Mike, Oh god I have to post about Barbra’s ” most Beautiful sec-check ever! I sure hope she and her auditors were properly beautified and the e-meter brand new out of the box, so this Amazing Sec-Check could do the magic intended.And I had enough of Spy Games, the black ninjas who ran CCRD so smoothly.Boy some course rooms must have been really acting out! What no Ninja Turtles to run things!?To me today it is astounding she could read that success story back to herself and love it.And Ron is still your best friend and you want him to be proud of you and you love him.Well have at it because he will be whatever you want him too.Unless y’all can produce actual recorded conversations with Ron from whatever Target he is approaching,I do not see the success of the story.Love,Ann.
Hi Ann, you’ve obviously never had a ‘beautiful’ sec check therefore I understand your skepticism. I’ve never had one either but I’m very imaginative so I think I can bring the vision of it to you. Imagine eating ice cream while Jesus Christ hands you a suitcase full of money. Well, that’s what a sec check is like when it’s beautiful. 🙂
Hi Roger Hornaday, That is the most absolutely beautiful tableau on the altar of money I have ever seen! Thank you from my state of Sec Check Bliss! ?❤️ Ann.
Dear Ann
“Oh god I have to post about Barbra’s ” most Beautiful sec-check ever! I sure hope she and her auditors were properly beautified and the e-meter brand new out of the box, so this Amazing Sec-Check could do the magic intended.”
I see that I will need to sign you up to do the Cause Resurgence Rundown. Barbara Dews is a Flag Service Consultant who wrote the following on the letter Mike posted on his blog post:
“One of our Flag public recently completed the Cause Resurgence Rundown for a third time and here are some of his wins from doing this rundown as he progressed up The Bridge at Flag.”
Barbara then includes the Success Story of this gentleman, who has the initials FA.
So, it is not Barbara who has had the “most beautiful HCO Sec-Check ever,” but this male Flag public person with the initials FA.
And please, Ann, don’t tell me that at 65-years-of-age you are too old to go running — otherwise I’ll have to sign you up for the New Vitality Rundown and the New Life Rundown, as well.
Eamonn : ” I see that I will need to sign you up to do the Cause Resurgence Rundown.”
” And please, Ann, don’t tell me that at 65-years-of-age you are too old to go running —otherwise I’ll have to sign you up for the New Vitality Rundown and the New Life Rundown, as well.”
How about if I sign you up for the “Being a delusional” Rundown , ah Eamonn ? Just sayin’.
thetaclear – At times I like it when someone sings out of tune. It can provide a wake up. Eamonn’s input on an earlier topic helped me realize shortcomings in my critical thinking and yesterday I blew by passed charge on the stupid Hubbard “tone scale”. Keep ’em coming Eamonn – lol
Richard : “thetaclear – At times I like it when someone sings out of tune. It can provide a wake up. Eamonn’s input on an earlier topic helped me realize shortcomings in my critical thinking and yesterday I blew by passed charge on the stupid Hubbard “tone scale”. Keep ’em coming Eamonn – lol
Yeah , Eamonn “woked me up” at recognizing hoe silly and unreal Scientologists can become , all right. Like trying to evaluate Ann’s case at whatever the hell he thought she needed to be evalaluated on. Only a fundamentalist Scientologist does that shit. So yes , “Keep ’em coming Eamonn!!! ”
By the way , I wrote you a reply on the subject of the Tone Scale. You should take a look at it.
Sorry , I should have said , “woke me up”. Still battling with my English!!!
Thetaclear – I think Eamonn was just being funny and facetious to Ann. I’ve found in my brief blogging history that jokes sometimes don’t communicate unless I state that’s what they are.
Eamonn is an intelligent person who has different viewpoints than I.
Richard : ” Thetaclear – I think Eamonn was just being funny and facetious to Ann. I’ve found in my brief blogging history that jokes sometimes don’t communicate unless I state that’s what they are.
Eamonn is an intelligent person who has different viewpoints than I.”
Peter : Oh, I don’t doubt that he is a smart individual , and perhaps he was just being “facetious” (more like “dark humor , I would say) ; however, it didn’t sound like that to me. Let’s just say that I live by the rule that I don’t “joke” about people’s cases.
I’d like to thank LRH for being able to chew food like an OT. I’ve run out the bad chewing implant that is the cause of psych instilled disease.
Thank you Ron for the walking run down. When I walk now it is with OT confidence. Never in my life has walking been so OT. Please people do this run down and walk like a god.
OMG!!!! The blow your nose run down has finally cleared all of the bts hanging on to my boggers. I am fully cause over old SP stuck boggers. I’m so happy I can grief charge.
Run downs now offered at Flag:
1) Button your shirt with confidence run down
2) OT PEDICURE (prerequisite- washing hands rundown)
3) CAUSE OVER MAKING COFFEE
4) Driving your car rundown. (After many years of research LRH discoveted scientifically that psyches from Farsec created the Fender Bender Implant, making the psyches the cause of all freeway accidents. (Prerequisite- Denial of Common Sense Course. EP- the running out of common sense to be replaced with OT sense) This rundown was just found in written form. It was hidden in LRH’s money belt.
Please, if you care about stopping death on the freeways, or car about good coffee, don’t let anything stop you. A good cup of coffee awaits you. You are the cream of the cream.
PS
Please remember to not pick your boggers out of session. Picking suppressive BT infested boggers can cause all of your cogs to uncog.
Brian, an uncogged cog, is a dangerous thing…
Yes OSD, it is dangerous. I read somewhere that it’s a High Crime and suppressive to uncog. Uncogging makes less of 100% standard cogs.
Uncogging is suppressive to LRH and all the work he’s done to cause us to cog.
All of you Uncoggers need to see Ethics so you can re-cog.
Please, for the sake of this sector don’t uncog your cogs or you will become a rock. If you have uncogged see ethics, go up the conditions and recog.
The universe depends on it.
Hi Brian, Thank you for your erudite post and do I agree with your viewpoints re: Ron.And also to OSD, from my perch with cos life,I know all about becoming a rock.In fact I was called such a good Rock Slammer there was a special room for me to slam them! Laughter!No food little water stuff letters in high high humidity and absolutely no surfing! Thank you dear Brian for your Wisdom Always,XO Ann.
Ann and others – Wherever this comment shows up – laughter and bognitions all over the place!
Man, I’m all coged up…
:….uncog….”
That’s a heavy philosophical truth.
Ron’s “uncog” is at least recorded in the must read final pages of Lawrence Wright’s book where Wright gets Sarge to tell Hubbard’s last significant thoughts. Ron admitted to being his own “failed case” in effect.
Yes Chuck, it’s very very deep and philosophically rooted. Some SPs think uncogging (my auto spell check keeps writing unclogging. Does that mean anything?) means getting back common sense.
But since wogs are common who wants common sense? Common sense is for…….. well……..common thetans; tiny beings.
When we have big major cogs we have big being sense. A sense that is not suppressed by truth or reality.
So what! If there is no ape in the back seat of the taxi!
My big being OT sense creates truth. Creates reality. Because it’s all just a point of view. A consideration. My consideration. And if you disagree you need to be punished into submission.
My cog is that I create my reality and there is an ape in the back seat of the taxi. That’s my cog. That’s my OT big being sense. I don’t need no wog little being commoner common sense.
I will never uncog my standard 100% cogs. I am the law, I make the laws. And I punish all uncoggers for betraying their cogs.
It is all just a consideration don’t you see? There is no Dharma. There is no common standards of decency. Love and understanding is a Marcab conspiracy. If I can think it. If the needle goes blip; then it is truth.
“We are not moralists” LRH
“I am not interested in wog morality” LRH
Please keep your cogs safe from uncoggers or your cogs will uncog.
This is a big disagreement I have with Ron:
The idea that someone, some SP or Scientology antagonist can take away our wins, our realizations, our knowledge.
If someone expresses doubt, disagreement or even outright condemnation towards a point of view we have, L Ron Hubbard gives that person the power to take away “wins”.
It’s called PTS.
True knowledge, directly perceived truth cannot be uprooted from someone doubting us. True knowledge cannot be made less of a knowledge even from ridicule.
Imagination, delusion, belief etc. are the only states that can be threatened by doubt, ridicule or truth.
L Ron Hubbard created an army of philosophical pansies. Where any critic is falsely identified with being a criminal. Thus solidifying the delusion of Scientolgy “certainty.”
Only delusion, belief and falsehoods can be threatened by criticism and truth.
Truth eats criticism for breakfast. Actually truth welcomes criticism as a potential expansion of truth. If that criticism is true.
The hatred of criticism is revelation of cowardess, intellectual immaturity and philosophical unadventurousness.
This is L Ron Hubbard’s legacy; spiritual cowardess.
Your point is well-proven by all the execs (and others) knuckling under to DM’s abuses. If the types of people created by Hubbard’s conditioning had ANY backbone, DM would have been offloaded DECADES ago. Hubbard wanted robots, and by and large he got them.
Indeed James. And the demonization of criticism solidified Scientology’s legacy of failure. Because all successful endeavors need criticism, need a changing of a course, need an expansion of new knowledge to continue in an ever changing upward spiral. A constant correction that only constructive criticism can yield.
The demonization of criticism was and is the death of Scientology. No philosopher worth their salt would fear criticism. Ron was terrified of criticism because constructive criticism would reveal his unsubstantiated scientism. And thus be revealed as a fraud.
Selling air to breath. If Miscavige reads this blog (and you know he does while downing a bottle or two), he will be pissed that no one in the bubble came up with this idea! Does he have to think of everything himself, people?
Black Ninjas run the ‘running rundown’?? I guess the runners high really got to Barbara.
I don’t doubt that one can have cognitions of whatever magnitude when overcoming physical universe barriers, and I guess what a person says they got out of it is what they got out of it. What does seem somewhat (very) peculiar from my viewpoint as a former CS was this person’s comment that he did the program the third time because he was taking on more responsibility and so “needed a resurgence of cause.” Presumably one has some sort of cognition about how one can postulate cause when confronting the given barrier of time spent running. But … why wouldn’t that result in the person being able to have that cognition/ability later in their universe when confronting the inevitable life challenges without re-doing the same exact action. Makes no sense. Is it a rehab of sorts that is needed? Or (because LRH specifically says NOT to re-run major actions in CS Series 1) is it simply EXERCISE that exteriorizes a person’s attention to whatever degree? Yeah … expensive exercise. (of course, the goal of ALL auditing is to gradiently increase a person’s cause … again baffling as to how this fits into Scientology theory) Oh, well, I don’t have to do it and mock up cognitions and impressive wins, which I’m sure I could do after a few days of running.
Just to add that what really appears to be happening here IS that a person is assigned to do something WITH his agreement (unspoken and maybe even unrealized) that he WILL mock up a life changing cognition and will be given whatever time he needs to do that in and until he does it. You could probably accomplish the same exact result in Scientology if you told someone that there was a new spectacular process called the “Creation of a Universe Process” and put them in a large room alone with 500 different shaped and colored blocks (or legos) and told them to create for five hours. And did this day after day until ……. Hey, just WAIT a freakin’ minute! This is a fucking GOOD process! Mike, or anyone else here who steals this idea from me, cut me in for 25%, ok? as an ethical point. But you get the idea, a Scientologist WILL mock up a great cog (though I now think there really IS something to get out of my invented process, I’d like to do it … oh, if I was just younger and of an entrepreneurial bent!)
The mind is a cognitive instrument. It’s sole function is to have cognitions. If it does anything else I don’t know what it is. If I want to have a very special cognition, you know, one that sounds impressive when I talk about it, I promise you I will have one.
It always helps to have an arduous and repetitious task. Universally that seems to trigger all sorts of mental anomalies both good and bad. Chanting is an example that comes to mind as well as athletic work-outs.
There just ought to be a few OTs flying out of their skulls with evidence to make this Scientology scam worthy of belonging to it for my taste.
Scientologists turn into Ron hyperbole fountains. But none of them are flying around as pure souls doing OT things for the world.
Just Carla and Rick are doing the world any good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZXc_IcgV7Y
This parishioner is really spinning; either around the pole and/or in his own ‘mental’ shaken mind.
El Ron actually wrote a short Sci-Fi story (one of the Ol’ Doc M stories) about a whole planetary population being conned to pay for the air they breathe. So many analogies in his early sci-fi to his “religion” he started.
Hi Mike Wynski, Thank you for your post.I had forgotten that story! Yes so much can be found in Ron’s early Sci fiction that parallels his Scientology World. Who knows who wrote this to me,but years ago the SO1 ladies wrote me and said, You know Ron likes that you read his SF stuff before Sea Org.What was your favorite book? Actually it was Slaves of Sleep shows how strong that Kool-Aid was..so I get a letter back that the book I picked and Deaths Deputy were two of his favorites.I have read Deaths Deputy and today it reads like a person going around physically and psychically wishing death on whomever.Cos could take the hint- they must have a long long list of death-wishes.There is so much of his “work” that is very dark.Anyhow you sparked a long ago exchange that may have been just pie served on a “piece of blue sky plate.”Always,Ann.
Return from the abyss of lost tech? Infected by the Dan Sherman disease I see.
I’ll take that 100X and raise you 200X. WHAMO, BAMO, BOP!!!
You’d think he would have gotten the hang of it and just gone for a nice vacation and run on the beach.
The most beautiful HCO Sec check ever — seriously?
Excuse me while I chuckle…
This is a bottomless Goldmine.
I did it pre Scientology in Hong Kong
in Martial Arts Academy and it was mostly outdoors in parks.
Every Sunday in the Main Park in Canton Old Kung Fu Masters
get together and teach this for free.
It is the same with OT I .. counting people on a walk .. write a success about .. breathing process is a new idea .. open and close the eyes may be next process .. you may become more aware of what you really see ..
Open your wallet. Thank you. Give me all your cash and credit cards. Thank you. End of process.
I did that, amy. Am I OT X now? I feel so powerful now, that I really think I could crush a small container of yogurt just with one hand! Now that’s a Success Story….
Laughter!
Next thing you know, they’ll be CSing by blood pressure.
150 over 95 – that’s a little high… round the pole for you, go see the reg.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time…”
Yeah, that would be Scientologists that you’re fooling all of the time.
And no one would even think of making this up for comedy.
Leslie, as I’ve said before, they’re the laughing stock of the cult world. And you’re right, you just can make this shit up! I will say, though, that they are fun to watch as they try to find just one person they can recruit….
Just proves, Mike, that people can convince themselves of anything at all. And once they’re in the mindset, all that needs doing is pushing that “button” and they’ll continue to be convinced. No one is forcing them, not even bothering to resell them. The spigot that never fails. 🙂
I recommend the immediate retrain of the many FESers, S/Ses, senior C/Ses, and DM with them (in the hole, of off the cult for the first, not for the last ;-))
Signed: the senior Cram off
To Church of Scientology’s “members” all things wrong in life stem from their “CASE”. The reason the person above completed this rundown is because of “past life events”. This is why the Church of Scientology has problems with Psychiatry. Members report discovering their “issue” falsely and then dream up a solution (falsely) and then “feel” like an integral part of this church. If all of the members of the church feel this way how can anyone have integrity with a group that is unhinged in some way as a standard. I do not feel empathy for such a person because their gains are fake. Just like their church’s services! 🙂
You may be right .. but basically Hubbard offers problems you have not really .. and then you solve that .. pretty good .. and after that you got a new problem .. and so on for some time .. you have problems you had never known about before .. you need the tech to solve that .. and you get new problems .. as Hubbard himself stated later in his scripture .. any solution will grow up to a new problem ..
But see .. the basic of all problems are ARC breaks .. and you take a solution to it, next is that this solution grows up to a problem .. this is the way scientologese works .. you go more and more in ARC break with real life and livingness .. you get the promise that your ARC is growing up .. but in reality it is shrinking ..
OT IX and X is evidence for that .. you can find the basic of basic of all your ARC break, but you will then never be immediately be a full OT .. why? You have to put out all your solutions .. and this means, that you have to put out scientologese .. because it was a solution to something which Hubbard has never solved .. but lesser and lesser people go with the solutions of Miscavige .. normal, simply because he sells only sotutions ..
Per Hubbard you should erase the solution .. not the problem .. you should handle the problem ,, this is the way to Clear and OT .. good luc