Scientology launched a new website on 26 February 2017.
Obviously it is a reaction to the tsunami of negative press they have been getting. Scientology has become the butt of so many jokes there is no way of keeping track of them all. But it was perfect timing for this to appear the same day as Jimmy Kimmel’s crack in his opening monologue at the Academy Awards.
Frankly, the new site is just a gussied up version of Freedom Mag. Much the same content and similar lofty sounding objectives rehashed to somehow look different:
The truth is that it is a thinly veiled “hate site” to provide another platform for their claims that everyone who says anything critical about scientology is a for-hire bigot, child abuser, thief, slut, fame whore or whatever. They toss in a couple of things to make it look like they care about Muslims and Jews (which they categorically do not), but if you go into it any depth, all you find is the usual railing against “bitter defrocked apostates.”
You need look no further than the main people running STAAD (I do not know how they get “STAND” as the acronym for Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination):
Ed Parkin — the person in PR OSA International sent out to “handle” Phil and Willie Jones when they appear in front of their buildings to ask to see their daughter:
Jeff Quiros — long term Director of Special Affairs (DSA) San Francisco
Cathy Norman – long term DSA Austin
But what IS interesting is that they are spreading the flap to Facebook.
They started a concurrent FB page – even featuring one of Freedom’s favorite scientology apologists, Gordon Melton.
But, even though less than 3,000 people follow the page (my public page has nearly 3 times that number), what is significant is that they are spreading the bad news.
Though the comments are the typical rah-rah, super neato, theta!! sort of things you would expect, what this is doing is exposing the run of the mill scientologists to entheta they would otherwise think is an overt to look at.
STAAD has to let readers know what it is they are complaining about — so the less than glowing story about the opening of the San Diego empty ideal org riles the STAADistas up and then anyone who is looking at the page on FB knows this story exists. The vast majority of scientologists, EVEN in San Diego had no idea anyone was taking potshots at the amazing new ideal org they just opened.
It’s a Catch-22 for scientology.
If they ONLY have smear pages they will be completely irrelevant and duplicative of their other hate sites. If they don’t cover the BIG entheta hits, people will wonder what is going on.
This is another crack in the dam that is evidence of how desperate they are to try to stem the tide of entheta.
But, you can be certain that as the sheeple see this Facebook page exists, it is going to embolden them to look at entheta. If the church is putting it on their FB page and encouraging them to follow that page, then it must mean it is OK to look. Curiosity will get the better of too many people. I predict this FB page will be taken down in the near future as another failed experiment that inadvertently let a crack of light into the murky gloom inside the scientology bubble.
And I bet they have to police this FB page like crazy to delete the inevitable negative comments that are probably outnumbering the positive ones already, and are going to become overwhelming as more and more people become aware of this page.
Going to be interesting viewing!
Additional Note:
I was just forwarded this email which was circulated to subscribers to the RAZZLINE.
From: Jon von Gunten
Sent: Tuesday, February 28
To: ‘TheRazzLine Email Service’
Subject: New Church Anti-Hate Website is UP! – Link against haters!
Heeey, Team!
Please spread the word to all your buddies! This anti-hate site is up and running.
Please get personally familiar with its content today! You might need this knowledge on the tip of your tongue when you’re away from a screen.
The site contains lots of tools, lots of FACTS to bury the profit-and money-motivated hate-mongers!
Checkout the new STAND website!!!! www.standleague.org
Then Bookmark it for easy access.
Very best!
Jon vG
Interesting how transparent they are.
My highlighting in red above shows that the ONLY purpose of this site is to “bury” scientology critics. Though they try to pretend the site is about denouncing hatred against all religions, that is just window-dressing to try to give themselves credibility. Of course the “hate” perpetrated against other religions has NOTHING to do with “profit and money-motivated” hate mongers. Their incidents are just “hate”. It is only the scientology “haters” who are “fake” haters that do it for money….
Lila, groups get religious tax exempt status in the US more on the basis of their being generally organized along religious lines, than judgment about their specific beliefs or actions – and if anything, the current political environment is for the government to be even more hands-off.
There are some other fringe religious groups that are similarly hateful, the most obvious one being the Westboro Baptist Church, but also some others like white nationalist churches and the black nationalist Nation of Islam. And there are also quite a few Christian ministries, especially the prosperity gospel type, that are aggressive in their fundraising tactics and whose leaders live rather extravagant lives.
The CofS is probably at the point of trouble with some of the tax exempt requirements and guidelines, but likely more over technical issues such as their having accumulated vast wealth but only serving a small and shrinking membership.
Years ago when I emailed Gordon Melton, and was in touch with four of the apologist academics, I introduced Melton to Jeff Hawkins, so Melton could hear several years in advance, of Jeff’s stories about the beatings Miscavige gave Jeff Hawkins.
That was several years before the “Truth Rundown” series in the newspaper.
Melton has been critical of Scientology privately once or twice.
He knows and commented that the top of Scientology runs like a “banana republic” tyranny.
He was quoted by the St. Pete Times saying disconnection is not helping Scientology.
He told me that he had to sign legal docs stating he would not mention the confidential “esoteriic” stuff, so he won’t define Xenu nor define “body-thetans” and thus Melton would not be one to go to for understanding Scientology.
If an academic can’t sensibly talk about Xenu and “body-thetans” and if an academic doesn’t know the “rehab” aspect of LRH being out in outer space today circling a star, and how that relates to the Cause Resurgence Rundown, then that academic hasn’t done their study to even know how that all relates back to Hubbard’s final comments to Sarge Steven Pfauth.
I highly doubt Melton put all the “esoteric” dots of Hubbard’s writings together, so he’s not one I’d ever recommend anyone go read Melton’s comments on Scientology. He won’t be writing the full picture of even Scientology’s beliefs, but he speaks in pablum PR that suits Scientology.
When I was trying to help the apologist academics, I think I got through, to Bromley and Lewis. They have written the Xenu and “body-thetans” aspects of Scientology into their writings about Scientology.
Melton signed away his rights in that legal doc that OSA and the Scientology lawyers had him sign back in the earl 1990s, so Melton is not one the public ought to waste time listening to, he can’t even the full important details to define Scientology so the public can even understand it.
But in the bigger scheme of things, I think academics ought to try stay in touch with Scientology, and I wish Melton writes his Scientology diaries, so that future academics learn from his mistakes. Don’t sign away any of the rights Melton signed away to Scientology.
In Jeff Augustine’s coverage of Scientology’s “contracts”, the contracts that OSA has apologist academics sign, that’d be a nice document to leak to Harper’s Magazine that has a sidebar article in their magazine about documents that different organizations put out that are quirky weird.
Scientology’s documents are quirky and deserve public exposure.
I looked for the Facebook page, and it appears that it’s gone now. Strange!
I can’t find it either, boy, that’s fast.
This seems to be it:
https://www.facebook.com/standleague
Saw a negative comment there yesterday, the site actually posted a reply, then the poster replied to that. It’s all gone today. Go figure.
I was happy to see my comment was still standing this morning by dawn’s early light. You see, I posed as a scientologist saying we needed to work on getting our empty orgs filled with paying public and that our detractors were calling them “Idle Morgues”! I also suggested we ramp up the sec-checks and the DECLARES. The comment above mine was unabashedly critical and is now missing.
yeah, they deleted or hid my comments, and now seems to be locked down to additional comments – at least for me. Fortunately, I capped them before they were removed 😉
same here…they really play by their own rules….fools; i truly hope and pray for the dissolving of this evil, destructive cult.
I mean; whatever your faith; let us all pray for end of evil leaders (Drumpf,etc. and dictators, and terrorists & murders and thieves) that pray on the lives of others.
it is there; but there seems to be no way to “reply” or “comment!”
Interesting scientology email just forwarded to me and added to the end of the post.
They are SO transparent…
I pray that God will bless you richly for all that you do to try and topple this mess/cult/etc. There are voiceless victims at stake, and I applaud your valiant efforts. You, sir, are a hero to me!
I agree. I bet they wish they had cemeteries during this lovely Drumpf administration! (But Drumpf appears to have some connection to the cult.)
First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
(doesn’t say people can’t be critical of a religion)
Hate Crime:
a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence.
Prejudice:
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
Me thinks your blog and commentors are based on reason and actual experience.
I see no crime commented by you or others.
opps, meant committed.
No doubt about it, it’s galling to see scientology pretending to be outraged by religious bigotry that victimizes Jews and Moslems. Obviously the church is using that pretense as a platform to further its decades-old brand of psychological terrorism and character assassinations.
Alas, our revulsion is assuaged with the knowledge this outfit is in the advanced stages of a slow merciless death. Also, our sense of humor brightens things up considerably as the church continues to give new meaning to the word, “ridiculous”. “Laughter while puking” is the appropriate emotion.
“This is so Theta.” … I laughed while puking. And then laughed some more. Reminds me of this OT 8 I once knew who used to call people “theta potata”
Laughter while puking is one of my favorite emotions!
So nice to see DM shooting more foot bullets. Hey guys let’s all take a breather while all our loved ones can now browse the web! Good find Mike & friends 🙂
Here’s my impression of the new website: “Whine, whine, whine, snivel, snivel, snork, whine, complain, complain, whine, whine.” I can’t imagine anyone spending much time reading articles from this site. It is just a repetition of talking points. There’s nothing that really responds to any allegation – how the disconnection policy is applied, for example. I guess people always have a choice, but the Church will impose penalties if their members choose not to disconnect from family members or friends of friends of friends of people the Church doesn’t like. They don’t address why it’s OK to stay connected to the family dog, but not the children of their neighbors who have decided to no longer attend their church.
Anybody that was not yet familiar with Scientologists would assume almost at first that they were biblical epic morons.
“Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination”
“Scientologists Taking Action Against Rudeness”
“Scientologists Taking Action Against Mother Hatred”
Why don’t Scientologists take action against themselves and call themselves Lupus. 🙂
And are they not all forbidden from ‘entheta’? They’ll be running for it they are so starved. A person must get balanced at some point. I’ll never forget the day I got the Times mag in 1991.
Here’s what I don’t get. The only people, for the most part, that will read this webpage are followers already or people checking it out for kicks. I don’t foresee many going, oh no, I should join Scn. It’s not drawing many in nor does it hold a lot of public ground. So it’s preaching to the choir, and therefore, pointless. And as others suggested counterproductive to it’s already followers. Shrug!
But it’s not pointless, for those to oppose or speak up against the ‘church’. It’s very imperative that it’s abuses continue to be known. Otherwise a page like STAND will stand to have more merit. 🙁
Once again the church is clueless. NO ONE buys that quasi-corporate, hey we’re hip, changing da world, stand-up for ya rights, over-produced, over-hipified bullshit.
No respectable Scnist is going to sign up for something like this. Aside from being painfully boring, they are too busy working their two jobs, trying to raise a family, paying bills and funding DM’s grandiose property wet dreams.
And whatever happened to “religious recognition” as the panacea? Weren’t things supposed to just take-off? Expansion beyond your wildest dreams?
So, why do they feel discriminated against? Because someone speaks the truth? Because someone has a viewpoint different from theirs?
Please…this will be dead in six months.
You know, the more I read about CoS (from either side of the fence) the more hokey it sounds. I only learned of their existence as I used to live very close to Saint Hill Manor (England) and was getting more junk mail from CoS than any other entity – one of the previous tenants in my then flat must have been an avid follower as well as there was a mountain of complete crap in my mail each day.
One idea I did have (and it’s probably been mooted by others before) is if enough of us besmirch these crooks to the point they have us followed, they would eventually spend all of their money on those PI’s and vanish? 🙂
Funny story Shane F 🙂
You just know how this came about: the Toxic Dwarf got royally pissed off about Leah and Mike and demanded that OSA do something about it, or else heads would roll. After a quick brainstorming session (assuming, of course, that brains of any sort were involved), this is what they came up with, ensuring that the “organization” was in safe OSA hands. There was another positive in that it gives the Dwarf something to announce at the March 13 event.
In other words, this will be fully supported by Command Intention until it becomes obvious that it’s not working and/or the Dwarf spots the next shiny thing that catches his eye. I give it a month.
hehe………….”the toxic dwarf”…………I love it. I just watched the HBO documentary, “Going Clear” …yikes…..the toxic dwarf is soooo in love with the other toxic dwarf, tom cruise…..no wonder he hid his wife away (or worse) The 2 of them look like absolute idiots!!!
Yep! Two Dwarfs run the show.
One photograph that will now never go away is that goofy image of the two intrepid fools. TC and DM, sitting on motorcycles, all geared up, and staring intensely into the camera. One day, if not already, both of these douchebags will wish that this photo never saw the light of day.
The ‘mission statement’ makes it very clear that Staad is a $cieno only club. I can’t see anyone except the clams being fooled. I think they will show up at certain events, like the Bunkers upcoming ‘Howdycon’ in Denver to ‘denounce the hate’. They will have to bus in any sizeable crowd, I doubt that the locals have enough bodies to do any job. Busing would require a sizeable budget, something the front groups have been denied in the past. Besides, the locals will be too busy selling parking spaces for baseball games.
I suppose the clampire can hire locals to fill out any ‘spontaneous demonstration’, But that too would require a sizeable budget. So Staad will have its own fund raiser and piss off more clams. Staad has to be a ‘spontaneous’ thing, and not a bastard child of $cientology.
No matter what Staad does, the dwarfenführer will declare victory and then put the whole thing to sleep. And the OSA goons will get the blame. I would love to see the evening news in any city where Staad ‘demonstrates’.
I think you nailed it, Espi! I agree.
“Though the comments are the typical rah-rah, super neato, theta!! sort of things you would expect, what this is doing is exposing the run of the mill scientologists to entheta they would otherwise think is an overt to look at.”
And thank Xenu that these $cilons haven’t had free access to the internet or they’d have figured out what the Streisand Effect is (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect ) and how they’re creating it for themselves.
Indeed, the cult, led in its idiotic Golden Shower Age of Foot Bulletry by supreme rullah Moonchild Missavage, has taken the Streisand Effect so far beyond its current descriptive boundaries that it deserves to be named and shamed as the $cientology Effect!
My belief currently is that the Age of Foot Bulletry has long ago shifted to the Age of Ass Bulletry as Miscavige continues over his hopeless destroyed feet and reveals his naked ass. Line up on the firing line, folks. The fun is about to *really* begin. Long Live Leah!!!
What the church has with STAAD is a hand-painted plywood prop of a great hero with raised fist. A round hole is strategically cut in it through which scientology may poke its head for a funny photo. Whenever scientology plays the morally righteous character it just looks comical. As Addison DeWitt said to the conniving actress,Eve Harrington, “You’re too short for that gesture!”
LOVE, your comment Roger!
I’ve been wondering about the ‘big’ celebration coming up and the attendance numbers for that and other “events” that have exorbitant ticket prices and dwindling membership. Wouldn’t be surprised if someone on the Org staff quotes Margo: “Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy night.”
This is all good news to me. One of the more difficult tactics to adopt while in conflict is patience. When an enemy is making a mistake but is still large and formidable with resources, just sit back, relax if you can and let them have a bit more rope. It’s like seeing that trophy fish just out of reach and you hope like hell it comes within casting range but the wait and the not knowing what’s next can drive you nuts.
Scientology doesn’t have a product – that’s their missing ingredient to their survival and per Hubbard himself is the sole reason for the attacks in the first place. I reckon you are right Mike, that FB page will be taken down soon enough and this particular campaign will be forcibly forgotten within the shrinking bubble (or should that read huddle?).
Scientology is on the defensive, and if you know your chess, that is not the winning edge you would prefer. For an organisation that has firm policy to “Attack, never defend,” oppps!
The COS is already spread thin in manpower. Creating and managing content for a new website only spreads them thinner. Mike knows as well as anyone the time and energy it takes to keep your public engaged online. Consider the lack of products coming out of SUMP. They have money, but they don’t have enough people who can produce anything that will have genuine public impact. And don’t hold your breath that DM will farm out the work required. The smartest move he could make would be to organize public Scios as volunteer auxiliary media groups. But being the insane micro-manager that he is, that will never happen. Thank goodness.
Let’s all pitch in and buy Miscavige a nice new shinny shovel for his birthday. On it can be an engraving something like, “love and best wishes from your favorite Apostates.”
Yep! Give him a shovel, have him start digging so deep he can’t get out.
And that shovel needs to be bigger and bigger each day. Soon DM will need a backhoe to shovel the BS he heaps on his public. Eventually, even that won’t be enough. The smell is already close to intolerable.
“…close to intolerable?”
I’ve worked professionally in PR. I probably have a higher tolerance to BS.
“Consider the lack of products coming out of SUMP.” What….crickets and tumblweeds?
I’m going to post a comment on their ‘Stand’ page with links to a couple of sites exposing how some folks are besmirching their wonderful religion.
“To see just how these fame-obsessed bigots defame religion please check out these horribly hateful sites:
https://www.mikerindersblog.org
http://www.undergroundbunker.org
Please read some articles to understand those that seek to harm your freedom”.
now impossible to comment on their page!!!! As of tonight; 3/2/17! They are such f in cowards
Dave,
SAAAAAD Update:
Getting your schlonged on?
He’s too small to get anything on…
Poor scientologists don’t know that “Stand” doesn’t work with “STAAD” because if one has a chronic cold, both words sound the same.
Scientology is so predictable it gets more pathetic every second. The newest attempt to regurgitate the lies which continue to keep then afloat barely, is a sign that trouble is brewing in dm’s shaky world of money, power and control over others. Scientology is looking right into the face of Truth Revealed and it drives all concerned mad. I love how all of us, horrible SPs that we are have to be handled. Phil & Willie got that action everytime they ask about their kids. So the old Ron Mantra, of Attack Attack never Defend is alive and used more and more by desperate members to keep the sunlight of Truth out of their dark,dank Ideal Orgs and to try and slam Mike,Tony and all who have woken up and thrown off the chains of this evil cult. I have seen this blog grow by leaps and bounds. Many new contributors who I would love to get to know. Mike you really are one of the Stars. XO to you & and Christie and those handsome young men!! ????
Keep them afloat Typo.❤️
Yep, “attack, attack, attack, never defend.” What the hell ever happened to “Communication is the Universal Solvent. It solves all things.” Well, Ron, that’s what you get for mixing truth with entheta!
That’s right Mike. They opened the door to “entheta”. They obviously didn’t read the PR series talking about Glutz PR (I think if I remember well titled “the ennemy line”). You certainly did study the PR series for your post back to old time.
There are no more trained scientologists in this “church” only morons obeying to Miscavige who himself never understood a word of the subject.
Scientology as a subject is dead, overwhelmed by a torrent of morons in both sides!
A journalist ought to ask “In the United States has there ever been a single case filed of a Scientologist being discriminated against anywhere for anything at anytime?”
Scientology has made a habit of co-opting the discrimination that other religions experience and pretending to fight those battles.
YEs, good point. Because there HAVE been cases filed and won by people who have been discriminated against by having scientology forced on them as a condition of their employment…
Great point Aaron. It’s sad to see a church cheapen the term “discrimination” in light of the many individuals and groups that have faced and continue to face real discrimination.
Ironically, you were someone that actually faced discrimination yourself from members of this very “church” when you were fired just before you got declared (if I recall correctly from the Aftermath episode that featured your story), which shows how duplicitous they are when trying to protect their own asses.
Unfortunately, collusion is damn near impossible to prove, especially with this group, unless you have any type of documentation that can prove that any of your superiors had prior knowledge of your upcoming declaration before giving your notice of termination, which could possibly provide pretty strong evidence in a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Different subject. I heard a rumor , via The Angry Gay Pope, that yesterday,David Miscavaige
boarded a flight from LA to Orlando. Before take off the flight attendant asked him about his wife and Zenu. DM responded ” Fuck off “. The flight attendant then had the pilot kick DM off the plane.
Yeah, I don’t find that story believable because: A. He would not normally fly commercial B. He would not fly into Orlando to come to Flag C. I doubt there is any “manifest” that is accessible to a flight attendant 2 weeks before a flight D. That flight attendant is known to Miscavige and announcing that he revealed he was on a particular flight to anyone else (if he DID in fact know that) is the end of his career and possibly criminal and E. there is no mention of Lou or anyone else being with him. He does NOT fly alone.
Gee. Isn’t DM special. Doesn’t fly commercial and has someone fly with him to hold his hand during landings and also to get plastered with.
He only travels with a human shield. It’s pretty nasty out there in the real world. All that life everywhere and it doesn’t do what it’s told either! Somehow I think Miscavige prefers to drink alone… black eyed travelling companions are such bad PR.
I agree with Mike….and no flight attendant is going to risk her job by taking verbal pot shots at passengers.
A flight attendant who was really pissed off about some personal issue, like disconnection in the family, might do something like that – Scientology manages to make some really bitter enemies, and so “pulls in” some extreme reactions from time to time. But they would know that they were sacrificing their job to do so.
I’ve noticed in watching rumors, it’s typical that facts get confused even if there is some truth at the heart of it. So it’s possible that some other CofS executive could have been involved, and it would make more sense that someone like that would have been on a commercial flight to Orlando.
It still doesn’t seem very plausible when examined. But it will be interesting to see, if anything more comes out about this supposed incident.
His wife and Zenu???
Shelly’s having an affair?
And with Dave’s best friend???
Shelly fell hard for Xenu. But she can only see him 3 or 4 times a year. The rest of the time he’s locked up in a mountain prison. Man, Xenu must quite old now since he’s been around for 75 million years…
Xenu must have a thing for younger women.
On the page
https:// www. standleague. org/ facts-vs-fiction/whitepapers/disconnection-in-the-scientology-religion-what-is-it.html
(link deliberatly broken to not give them link love, remove spaces if you want to visit the page.)
they refer to a Dr. Benjamin Hubbard having studied their disconnectiion policy. I found a person with that name:
http://religion.fullerton.edu/faculty/bhubbard.aspx
( The last name is… convenient. 😉 )
May well be mr. B. Hubbard doesn’t know anything about him being quoted. When I google him I can only find a link to a story about the Laura Decrescenzo forced abortion case by Tony Ortega:
http://tonyortega.org/2016/01/28/scientology-in-forced-abortion-case-we-treat-people-no-worse-than-the-catholic-church-does/
Anyway, I took the liberty to fire off an e-mail to Benjamin Hubbard referring him to Leah’s show and the disconnection list.
Let’s see what happens. (May well be nothing, I’m not holding my breath.)
Feel free though to do the same. 🙂
I see that they’re trying to compare disconnection to excommunication in the LDS church. I’m not a Mormon myself but based on my (admittedly limited) knowledge of the church I suspected that this comparison is bullshit. A quick google search regarding the subject proved me right:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mette-ivie-harrison/excommunicated-mormon-church_b_8066072.html
The link above suggests that the excommunicated Mormon does experience difficulties but they’re not as severe as the ones inflicted on the disconnected Scientologist. Some relevant quotes:
“If someone is excommunicated from the Mormon church, all the saving ordinances that have been done for them are erased. That means that you are no longer considered baptized, sealed to family members in the temple, or ordained to the priesthood (if a man). But unlike someone who is not a member of the church, you are also asked not to speak in church (if you choose to continue to attend), not to take the Sacrament (communion) in weekly church meetings, and are not allowed to hold a calling.”
So apparently an excommunicated Mormon can still enter his religion’s house of worship (although as the author later notes, the same is not true for Mormon Temples which are different from their regular churches). A disconnected Scientologist is not allowed to enter a Scientology houses of worship.
“I would be seen by many members of the church as being wrong or sinful. Some would continue to be friends with me, but perhaps not all.”
So apparently a Mormon in good standing with the Church is still allowed to be friends with an excommunicated Mormon. Some may choose not to do so but their Church does leave the choice to them. The same is not true in Scientology.
I am familiar with Mormon church stuff. They don’t have a doctrine or reference on how people have to disconnect from others under certain circumstances like C of $ does. The Mormons leave it up to each person to decide on their own whether to shun the person in question or not. So it is nothing like our church where they are told they must disconnect, or risk themselves being excommunicated and declared SP for not disconnecting.
Jehovah’s Witnesses practice disconnection. They just call it shunning.
There used to be a video blog on YouTube for a couple who had left JW (Jehovah’s Witness) and they compared their shunning to that of Scientology’s disconnection. It’s down now but their names were Christian and Katja.
I was a Mormon. I renounced my membership. My little sister was excommunicated and continued to hang with the same people and attend services sporadically. She eventually got re baptized about 30 years later.
I. haven’t attended for decades, but I’ve never had a LDS person refuse to talk to me because of that, or run the opposite direction. Both of my brothers and both of my sisters are Mormons. My parents are deceased, but we were close until they died. They were devout LDS.
I was at my LDS sister-in-laws bedside when she died in September and delivered the eulogy at her LDS funeral in an LDS church. My husband has eight brothers and sisters, his parents are devout Mormon as are about half if his brothers and sisters. The rest don’t attend and two have been excommunicated. One of the excommunicated ones currently lives with and takes care of my husband’s elderly parents.
Our families are very close. Religion has never been an issue. Some people may use religion as an excuse to not talk to someone, but there are not many people who are forced to give up their children or parents and say it is “for their own good”.
“…there are not many people who are forced to give up their children or parents and say it is “for their own good”. Right you are, Valerie! Scn is the only cult where people are ordered to disconnect, and also where if you are in contact with someone who has been labeled an SP, then you risk being expelled and disconnected from yourself, and this goes down several levels so the connection is no longer a 1st level connection, it might be 3rd level 2 times removed for example.
Someone is working VERY HARD at running this page – in the last 24 hours they’ve made 30 posts – 90% of it is just copy & paste of articles from the web of various “hate crimes” against “religions” across the planet. Very few “likes” to any of them – I can see people turning off notifications quickly if they’re going to be bombarded with numerous posts a day. And talk about mixed messages – in among the posts bashing religious discrimination, one article pops up promoting how back in 2015 the Smithsonian mag cited LRH as “one of the most significant Americans in history blah blah blah………”. Confusing to say the least. Like all other “bright ideas” this too will bite them in the derriere – already there is a scathing comment on the pinned post.
I used to check on the Facebook posts of both “Church of Scientology” and “David Miscavige, Ecclesiastical Leader of the Scientology Religion” (yes, he used that entire title for his own Facebook page). It was the same thing, with very few likes for any of them and even fewer comments (most of the comments on DM’s page at that time were mostly just from one girl in particular who seemed to almost have a crush on DM).
I would frequently notice some negative comments by random folks (and other folks liking those negative comments), especially on the CoS page, but they were quickly deleted. I’m sure that there will be plenty of deleted comments on this STAND/STAAD page if this page gets exposure to the outside world. I’m sure they will work hard to delete them, but some Scientologists may see those negative comments before they can get deleted. I only hope that most people who post negative comments there won’t act “trashy” (which can be extremely counter-productive by showing Scientologists the bad side of “Wog World”).
Like Mike said, this page may not last long anyway.
Its probably the poor drones that they make go days without sleep …very sad. I wish they would realize the truth.
The truth for them is, David Miscavige is God.
Interesting look at the stats on page views, and how it has plummeted from when first announced. One can rest assured that those in were encouraged to ‘like’ the page on launch, and they quickly had no further use for it after that.
Here is a link to that:
http://imgur.com/Lu7PiBQ
European here, either it’s already down or only available for the US, for I can’t access it.
Maybe if someone supplies a link?
https://www.standleague.org/about/
From Russia I can see it, but to Finns in google was a bit tricky
To find) autocorrect make things funny)
I am in the US and have 2 Facebook accts neither of which can find the STAND page.
I had this same issue, I cannot find the Facebook page. I did however find other pages related to this craziness and got lost in that. I eventually got onto the website (through a link provided through a comment but with spaces, *thanks*) and found myself becoming uncomfortable while reading just some of the titles under Media watch, they seem aggressive to me, or that may be due to my already decided views on the group. In any case as I kept reading I found where a person can report Hate and I found myself wanting to report them. I mean wouldn’t that make sense? I cannot wait to hear about their gatherings
Mike, I commend you and Leah for staading up to this group. It’s people like you, and not this so-called “church”, that truly “staad tall”.
I recommend people like ‘all of us’ take a stand. It is not just Mike and Leah’s job to do this.
I totally agree with you Newcomer. My comment was just a poor attempt to make a “smart-ass” comment making fun of the CoS use of the acronym “stand” (which should be “staad”).
I like smart ass comments. Please carry on Mick!
+1! I’m with you, Coop! And maybe we can do that in Pasadena when we connect.
I agree, Newcomer, that we should all take a stand by writing congressmen, posting on FB, speaking out, AND by giving Phil and Willie money so that the billboard never comes down. We can keep it going and change the message every so often. Also we can contribute to Mike Rinder by pressing the donate button etc. And we can donate books like Ron Sr’s and Leah’s and others to our local libraries.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That’s how the light gets in
— Leonard Cohen
No amount of glitz can hide the crack. Scientology continues doing what does best: offending its strongest supporters. Well done.
“And just when I was sure that his teachings were pure
he drowned himself in the pool.
His body is gone but back here on the lawn
his spirit continues to drool.”
– Leonard Cohen, from ‘One of us cannot be Wrong.’
Ya, that’s not gonna last very long.
I wonder if they just paid for the LIKES.
I’ve seen scientologists posting on social media and I considered they must pay people to do that work for them…because it is just too dangerous to look. 🙁
Another fantastic post illuminating the reason this is NOT a religion at all.
Thank you for all you do Mike!
They do not have to pay anyone. They just order it to their idiot followers; and Seaorg, staff, etc and i is done.
On the right side of the the last screenshot in this post we can see Facebook recommending other pages that were liked by users who also liked STAAD’s page. As is expected, those recommended pages are also CoS-run. But what if Facebook users who clicked like on Mike Rinder’s public page were to go against their immediate inclination and click like on STAAD’s page as well? If enough users were to like both pages, wouldn’t this mean that Mike’s page would be recommended on STAAD’s page? Hmmm….
S.T.A.A.D. Scientology Tyrannically Abolishing All Dissent
You’re so cleaver….
Thanks OSD. Now it’s time to go be hard on the Beav…
Extra hard, if you don’t mind.
LOL. who said “you become what you resist (if you lose….)”
and what was the word for idiots who forward ‘enemy lines’ on their own comm lines…..’don’t be a Glutz PR’…? Scientology……stick a fork in it…..’beam me up Scotty, there is no sign of intelligent life here…’
its hard to take anything they say seriously when they can’t get the acronym right.
Good point!! I thought Mcsavage was a perfectionist?
Further proof that Scientology is NOT a religion and should have their tax exempt status revoked! Religions defend themselves, but not by attacking and trashing people who don’t agree with them.
Can you imagine if other religious leaders did this? Started their hate sites to slander and smear, in the name of the church. 1 finger points away, 4 point back.
Lila, that actually is proof of no such thing. Muslim’s cut the heads off of people who trash their religion.
Religion is NOT equal to good. That is a false notion.