CNN picked up on the Danny Masterson story.
It includes a denial from “DJ Donkey Punch” and a shout out to Tony Ortega: “News of the allegations date back to March when journalist and former Village Voice editor Tony Ortega wrote on his site, “The Underground Bunker,” that Masterson was being investigated by the Los Angeles Police Department” and to Leah: “actress Leah Remini and her A&E show “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath” helped bring the accusations to light when one of the alleged victims shared her story with Remini.”
But most interesting is a statement from scientology:
“The Church adamantly denies the implication the Church would ignore the criminal behavior of certain members, especially at the expense of alleged victims,” the statement said. “What is being stated is utterly untrue. This has nothing to do with religion. This story is being manipulated to push a bigoted agenda. The Church follows all laws and cooperates with law enforcement. Any statement or implication to the contrary is false.”
This statement shouts from the rooftops that scientology is scared they are being targeted for being complicit in a cover up of the crimes. I would say this is a very valid concern. What they do not say is Masterson is innocent or come to his defense in any way. They are ONLY defending themselves. They are in cover-your-ass mode. Remember, they DO know the truth.
If I was Masterson I would be reading this as scientology cutting the rope to his sinking dinghy in shark-infested waters and trying to sail away over the horizon.
And then the bold statement (lie) that scientology “follows all laws and cooperates with law enforcement” is another telltale.
IF scientology was REALLY cooperating, they would have provided ALL WITNESSES to law enforcement. This includes the Ethics Officers, Chaplain, auditors and C/Ses that dealt with Masterson, the witnesses and the victims at the time they were reported to them. Not ship them off to other states or ensure they were “unavailable.” This is a tactic scientology has used for decades. Witnesses to events are magically “somewhere else” when their testimony is needed. Somewhere outside the reach of law enforcement. Even overseas “on tour” or “assigned to a special project.” When the IRS was hammering on scientology a bunch of executives were sent to Denmark to operate…
Scientology would also have provided ALL the written records they have — Knowledge Reports, Ethics Reports, session worksheets, C/S instructions and everything else. This is contemporaneous evidence of what really went down. And anyone who knows the first thing about scientology knows they keep written (and in some cases audio and video) records of everything. Every interview. Every session. Every write up. They are ALL kept.
You can be certain they have not turned any of this over to law enforcement. This sort of information is only extracted from scientology with a crowbar, cattle prod, a team of lawyers and a protracted and expensive legal battle (see the fight scientology put up all the way to the US Supreme Court to prevent the documents about Laura Dieckman from being turned over TO LAURA DIECKMAN). Also see how the Lisa McPherson case was handled, fighting tooth and nail to prevent documents being turned over.
UNLESS those witnesses and documents exonerate scientology. Then they appear like magic without even being asked for. Usually accompanied by dozens of “affidavits” asserting “there is nothing to see here.”
THIS is the real standard operating procedure of scientology. Obfuscate and fight law enforcement every step of the way when it appears there might be ANY negative fallout for scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard made VERY clear that Law Enforcement and Courts (“Wog Justice”) are NOT to be trusted in any way. Here is just a small sampling of his rants on the subject.
HCO Manual of Justice:
If you are being investigated sit tight, don’t cooperate….
Never spook if investigated. And don’t cooperate. Sit tight. Be silent. Make the investigator talk. Gradually put him in session if you can. Put him in birth…
If you don’t scare or cringe, the menace fades away.
HCOPL 15 Feb 1966 Attacks on Scientology (additional)
Don’t ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.
You can get “reasonable about it” and lose. Sure we break no laws. Sure we have nothing to hide. BUT attackers are simply an anti-Scientology propaganda agency so far as we are concerned. They have proven they want no facts and will only lie no matter what they discover. So BANISH all ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their first breath. Never wait. Never talk about us – only them. Use their blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don’t use us.
HCOPL 15 Aug 1960 Department of Government Affairs
In the face of danger from Govts or courts there are only two errors one can make: (a) do nothing and (b) defend. The right things to do with any threat are to (1) Find out if we want to play the offered game or not, (2) If not, to derail the offered game with a feint or attack upon the most vulnerable point which can be disclosed in the enemy ranks, (3) Make enough threat or clamor to cause the enemy to quail, (4) Don’t try to get any money out of it, (5) Make every attack by us also sell Scientology and (6) Win. If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don’t ever defend. Always attack. Don’t ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy’s front ranks work best.
HCOPL 7 Dec 1969 The Ethics Officer, His Character
…Or any other silly idea borrowed from a wog world where the police make things about as safe as a snake pit full of assorted reptiles.
The TECH fact is the data we have about SPs. There are very few of these in proportion to decent people. That one fact is something this society’s police don’t know. According to extant social tech ALL people are basically bad and are only made “good” through punishment. So everyone everywhere has to be threatened. That’s extant wog tech. It doesn’t work. The crime rate soars so obviously the know-how isn’t to be found out “there”. People are all animals, “they” say and must be herded. Well that’s the “modern social scientist’s” nutty idea. Society does not know that all they’d have to do is round up their few SPs and they’d have no crime. Instead whenever they arrest criminals they prove to these that society is brutal and crime justified and just let them loose again. They don’t straighten SPs up because the “social scientist”, the psychologist and psychiatrist are at this writing at least mainly SPs themselves and haven’t any tech but the club.
HCOPL 27 March 1965 The Justice of Scientology Its Use And Purpose Being a Scientologist
There is no just civil law left, really. It is that lawless and disorderly condition in the society about us which makes it hard for us to work.
…If we have a superior law code and legal system which gives real justice to people we will swiftly flow easily over the society and everybody will win. Where we fail to apply our own administration, technology and justice procedures to the society around us (let alone Scientology) we will fail.
Don’t react to Scientology Justice as though it were “wog” law. In society’s “courts” one is given the works and truth has little bearing on the findings. A mean judge or clever attorney and small legal errors decide a lot of their cases. Wog courts are like throwing dice. There is huge cost and publicity and punishment galore even for the innocent.
Clearly, L. Ron Hubbard had little respect for law enforcement, “wog” law or “wog” courts.
And this is the GOVERNING POLICY of scientology.
They are putting up a smokescreen with an “acceptable truth” because there are other writings by Hubbard that say “follow the law.” But from decades of overseeing the handling of interactions with law enforcement, there is no question that when it comes to scientology cooperating, it ONLY happens when scientology sees something beneficial for them. A potential scandal with a life-long scientology celebrity scares Miscavige silly. And thus they have been “sitting tight” and saying nothing. But it seems they are now seeing the writing on the wall and trying to distance themselves from what they know to be true: they have NOT cooperated and provided the information they have and now they are worried they are going to be implicated.
I can imagine the sleepless nights they are having, worried that someone “flips” on them to save their own skin and discloses what they know from inside the organization.
That sort of scandal could set a landslide in motion…
Hello Mike and fellow posters. Very off topic – this is the last blog entry that I have. Is Mike on holiday and I missed the memo? If you are on holidays – then have a GOOD one – you and your family deserve all the love and peace:))) I seem to be subscribed still. Would appreciate any info. Thank you:)
I’m so grateful that this is an atrocious subject about another abusive, hypocritical, so highly thought of person of upper esteem in the cult of Scientology – Danny Masterson is finally being exposed. I’m extremely proud of the victims, of their courage for coming forward against all odds. This is a criminal offence and can you tell me why on earth, Scientology now states that he’s not a member of there’s and that they have been the ones to bring this to “our attention”?! Do they really have no limits of abuse of power?! I’m still ignorant since watching the 2 seasons of Aftermath and having already done my own research years prior to this. When I saw the episode “Ranches”……. I cried – again, and always want to find some way to help. Where are they located in Canada? I mean everywhere in terms of at least capital cities. I live in one, but it’s pretty small with the Church of Latter Day Saints…….. another cult leading more openly perhaps. I would like to know where Scientology is in middle Canada, i.e. Manitoba, Saskatchewan, etc. Can you help? I would be more than happy to bother them and educate others at one or more of these locations. Thanks and keep fighting the good fight.
To all the victims of Scientology,
I know that every day must be a struggle, full of fears and uncertainties, when you are “fresh out of” Scientology, especially for Sea Org members who don’t have the “life tools” to survive on your own. There are many good people, ready & willing, to help you . . . Stay focused and keep moving forward . . . Like a baby, first you learn to crawl, next to walk, and then to run !
Music has always had a strong influence in my life and been a great source of reassurance and motivation, not just “entertainment” , , , With that said, I’d like to share a song with you that has inspired me for over 30 years. I hope it encourages you, too !
It is called “Road of the Gypsy” by Adrenalin ( from the 1986 movie “Iron Eagle” – LYRICS BELOW )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5medeB4PVew
“Road of the Gypsy” – Adrenalin
( from the movie “Iron Eagle” )
Out on my own
since I was a young, young boy
Born to live and die
in the streets, I cried
when I was alone
It’s been twenty long years
The fire’s still burnin’
The wax on the candle melts like tears
You know it don’t come easy
The Road of The Gypsy
But, I’m holdin’ tight,
cause I know this dream’s gonna carry me home
It’s been a long hard fight, many sleepless nights,
for somethin’ to call my own
It’s been twenty long years
and my heart is raging
for somethin’ to believe, in spite of the tears
You know it don’t come easy
The Road of The Gypsy
The Road of the Gypsy . . . yea
You know the streets haven’t made me an angry man . . . oh, no
I just go out and give it all I can
yea, yea, yea
It’s been twenty long years
The fire’s still burnin’
The wax on the candle melts like tears
You know it don’t come easy
Hearts of stone
Our hearts that are carved up on the street
Blood stains a young man’s hands
with the will to live for the right to be free
The road of the gypsy . . . yea
The Road of the Gypsy
Like an eagle I fly, with this dream rushin’ thru my head
On the streets that I ride, there’s a feelin’ of pride
and a life I will never regret
You know this dreams gonna carry me home,
down the Road of the Gypsy
God Bless all of you !
Dave F.
Hey Mike…
“I can imagine the sleepless nights they are having, worried that someone “flips” on them to save their own skin and discloses what they know from inside the organization.
That sort of scandal could set a landslide in motion…”
I think you just started that landslide. Now who is coming out with the rest of the story? Maybe they are reading this right now and have all of the evidence available to them? Come on out, mystery guest and loudly or quietly get the documentation to Leah or Mike.
Here’s some music to give you courage, mystery guest. Can’t wait to see you on the other side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G10fjK9bUJk
“The landslide will bring him down”.
indie8million.
Yes . . . “Landslide” !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G10fjK9bUJk
Dave F.
Having a name like Donkey Punch, might be something to regret in prison.
No amount of cleaning product and gloves, vacuming or sweeping spotless can clean up a crime scene. There will always be those that know what cement companies were used.
Mike – what do you think happens to Danny now? Will he be cast out into the outer darkness? Will there be an attempt to integrate him further into the church? Will there be an attempt at “rehabilitation”?
I’m also wondering if big media companies are going to start to be weary of doing business with scientologists. After all, you’re not just hiring the individual… you’re hiring the “church”, which is another level of pain in the ass.
This may be the greatest single opportunity for the full takedown of the CO$ we will see in our lifetimes. What can I do to help? lol!
Scientology sounds like a broken record. “We utterly deny everything. We’re perfect. This is the work of bigots. [we need to pay the LAPD more next time].” Yeah right, like ANYONE on earth believes a word these dangerous culties say at this point. Someone should analyze their press responses to count up how many times they use the same meaningless words.
They DO need to expand the vocabulary.
Rumor has it right around now Danny Boy* is in sore need of a little Christmas cheer, so we can all sing this to him.
Jingle Bells,
Prison Cells,
Thought you got away!
Oh, what fun it is to watch
Your ass get hauled away, Hey!
*OK to call you DB for short?
Haha! That’s good!
HA being called DB is the least of his worries
One thing I’m really curious to see is how Danny M’s tight-knit group of Scio “friends” will respond to this, if the cult truly turns on him. Also his family… he’s part of one of the most-tightly knit families of die-hards and his Mom has done a lot of “handling” of folks on behalf of CO$, I’m intrigued to see how it all plays out.
Is it his Dad or step-dad that’s out and been disconnected from them all? Plus there’s Jason Lee who said he’s out but has still stayed in contact w/many still-in. But beyond that, I’m pretty sure his entire family, wife, all friends and everything is contained within that farse of a “church.” Not to mention all of the dirt the church has on him… his career is effectively over if this plays out as it has with others, now to see how his “beautiful religion” plays this in the longer-term…
Masterson and his cult enablers were successful in systematically obstructing justice for 15 years, and in portraying the victims of his violent sexual assaults who were fellow cult members at the time of their alleged rapes as the guilty party in the eyes of the cherch — which then took internal ‘justice’ action against at least one of them (victim “B”) when the PR “flap” could not be contained — instead of ensuring that Masterson was promptly turned over to the proper authorities.
Hopefully, the much deeper and octopus-tentacled story of the cult’s involvement in similarly despicable cover-ups involving high-caste $cilon celebs, like John Revolta, will be brought to light. The Harvey Weinstein dirty tricks playbook, revealed by Ronan Farrow’s excellent reportage (see here https://www.newyorker.com/n… ), completely mirrors the cult’s own Fair Game master plan, which has been extensively documented by Mike, here on his blog https://www.mikerindersblog…
The Church doesn’t ignore criminal behavior?
What about sexual abuse? Homicide? Kidnapping? Human Trafficking? Fraud? Extortion? and more?
They mean besides those.
Things like trespassing on COS property. Or what they say is COS property but really isn’t. Those things they report.
Mike, is this you in front with the sunglasses, from Tony’s blog? http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/SciProtest.jpg
No
OK, thanks.
I sometimes wonder if LRH’s third partying of the legal system was a conscious attempt by him to predispose the Scientologist to reject and not see his crimes against the legal system: hiding his lies.
Same with Psychiatric fields.
He hated both. Maybe he hated both because both knew the truth. And truth is always the arch enemy of lies.
The legal system knew him as a crook and fraud.
The mental health field knew him as a loon practicing without a license.
No wonder he hated both; both knew him behind his lies and depravity. Both knew his transgressions against both these entities.
Both were trying to warn us about him
And he worked overtime to turn us against societies laws and developing fields of his competition; psychiatric and psychological professional fields.
Thanks Mike for the quotes. They always reveal the true intentions of Ron: thuggery, deception and willingness to harm critics.
Thank you Mike for continuing to pitch in on this despite the irreversible damage has been already done. The hard part now will be trying to penatrate the prison of belief our loved ones are victims of. How to remove the slivers, the lies from those carefully programmed not to look? I know how hard it is … I was there too.
What got it for me was a friend sent me Amy’s book. She emailed ahead to “read it like a KR”. So I did.
Maybe if I put KRs on the cars around the orgs?
I love that way of phrasing the reading of any truth about scientology. Just read it as a KR.
This is an intelligent way of approaching those still in.
That’s outstanding. Mock up an authentic KR with lots of the real truth about SCN and put copies of it around the org(s). Perfect.
Now the L.A. DA needs to get of the dime, subponea the victims and Donkey Punch’s PC and Ethics files, and file those indictments. Oh, yeah. And also look at some obstruction of justice charges for those blocking and attempting to block police reports on these rapes when they happened.
Contrary to the popular adage, there is No honor among thieves. Total corruption corrupts totally and it starts from within. Even the Mafia has fallen prey to members breaking ‘the code of silence’ to save their own necks. Sooner or later, $ is going to become a victim of its own game. It’s already started with mass defections of individuals in its top ranks. Once Mr. Masterson realizes he has been hung out to dry, he’ll turn on them like a duck on a june bug. It won’t be a pretty sight, but it will be fun to watch! Just don’t hold your breath; he doesn’t strike me as being particularly bright, so he’ll probably be extremely slow on the uptake (and he won’t have $ lawyers defending him!).
” This is a tactic scientology has used for decades. Witnesses to events are magically “somewhere else” when their testimony is needed. ”
Yo Julian,
Where are you headed good buddy? Remember, I want to have a chat with you about that golden rod thingy You used to force my wife and kids to disconnect back is 2013.
But I imagine You are pretty busy now handling Danny’s golden thingy so stay busy and stay out of sight Julian!
Yes. Julian, you sinking or just swimming with the Sharks? Let the Frenzy Begin! Sorry you got Eff’d up by these criminal morons Newcomer…
“Society does not know that all they’d have to do is round up their few SPs and they’d have no crime.”
That may be the scariest thing I’ve ever seen written in Scn. Can you imagine any American President put into the roll of just rounding up the few SP’s. Basically anyone who speaks badly of America or the President. It seems any American, Scientologists or not, would see this statement as completely opposite of what our country believes about free speech. I don’t care how many times you word check this statement, the outcome would be terrible for any democratic country.
Yes FreeYourMind. Like when FDR rounded up all Citizens of Jap decent (including those born in the USA), stole ALL of their property and money then threw them into concentration camps. Children too.
I had two friends who grew up as little kids in those FDR camps.
“Society does not know that all they’d have to do is round up their few SPs and they’d have no crime.”
Yo Dave,
You could make a contribution to the cause by wrapping up Your Ess Pee religion good buddy. And Your stats are starting to look like they are in power this week Dave. Lots of bad press on Your Cult which means that You are winning like never before. Great news for the Cult’s New Years Event.
What plans do you have for filling the Shrine? I noticed that You are requiring photo IDs and IAS membership cards to be allowed in. Are You worried about an Ess Pee or two gaining entry and telling the world about Your lies? What happened to the day when You welcomed public to Your diatribes?
Yo OSA,
Better tighten it up fellas! Danny might be making an appearance at Your event.
You should actually read what the Scientology definition of an SP is before you make up your definition and then say it’s “scary”.
Nice to see you back FP. As usual You assume and then offer Your free advice to FYM. Nice work!
And BTW, I am an official ‘one of those’ as determined by Your good buddy Julian and perhaps You would like to get together and then You can assess whether or not I am ‘scary’!
Well, you never frightened me, newcomer. Well…you did a couple of times.
Who the fuck is Julian? And as for Marion and the other dude – I haven’t got a clue what you are on about. You really shouldn’t believe these little time-bombs from Brian and others (that I am OSA) thrown in to comments to throw people off their OSA scents and because I point out that their daft comments – are daft. Didn’t you ever read the Data Series and Investigations stuff?
Julian Schwartz is the AOLA MAA. Sutter and Pouw are Miscavige minions sent out to “handle” disaffection, usually unsuccessfully. I would have thought you would have known who they are there have been a LOT of comments about them.
“AOLA MAA” ??? . . . I had to do a LOT of Googling to “translate” that . . .
AOLA MAA – “Advanced Org Los Angeles” “Master At Arms” ( one “title” for a Sea Org Ethics Officer )
Beyond knowing what the acronym stands for, I need further “translation”, please ?
Dave F.
If you don’t know such terms then what are you doing here? “Crusading with Xenu”?
Foolproof,
NO, it means that I was never STUPID ENOUGH or NAIVE ENOUGH to believe ANYTHING Hubbard EVER had to say !
I’m here to help END the “Reign of Terror” that Scientology has held over its Vivtims . . . In other words, to “CLEAR THE PLANET” of Scientology !
Dave F.
I had vaguely heard of Pouw and had thought she was some sort of secretary for Miscavige. The others I’ve never heard of, nor read about on here, despite you saying that there is lots about them, but then I don’t read all stories.
It is fascinating watching your journey. Your willingness to share as you peel away the evil shroud of lyintology is inspiring to many, including never-ins, because too many humans with the best of intentions have been conned at one time or another. I hope we meet at HowdyCon one day. Meeting Michael Tilhse from the Bunker was my honor as will be meeting you.
For all Hubbard’s fluffy definitions, descriptions, and weighing up the social and antisocial traits of others, anyone can actually be an “SP” simply by breaking one of his “rules”. So yes. Imagine a sharia-style scientology society built upon the ethics/justice codes and try not to shiver.
Mike – I have been pondering for quite some time now, WHY is the Co$ so untouchable? They are not bigger than the Catholic Church and as we all know, the Church was and has been, brought to some justice for turning a blind eye to the sexual abuse of children by priests.
Are you aware of, or do you know, if any one of our ‘scientology freedom fighters’ has reached out to the reporters of the Boston Globe, law enforcement or legal counsels that successfully had a hand in bringing the church to justice? Finding out ‘the how’ of their success might be instrumental in obtaining insight on how to get justice for the victims of scn.
Hey OB! The SC Trojans are going to be looking for you.
Trojans, Shmojans….I’ve got some peanut butter buckeyes to serve ’em and once they’re on that sugar high, we’ll spank them good. After all, it is the University of Spoiled Children. ?
The reason scn seems untouchable is based around Tubby’s “mad-dog” theory of defense: Attack anyone and everyone in the vicinity. They’ll go away and let you do whatever you want. That even worked against the IRS: When scn started suing every IRS agent and clerk individually, the IRS simply ran out of lawyers and money to defend themselves.Too, scn worked the religion angle which is tough for a government agency or worker to counter. The mere assertion of being anti-religious requires SERIOUS evidence to prove wrong. It’s a case of being presumed guilty until proven innocent. If the theoretical “reasonable person” could possibly construe that they could be acting out of a religious bias, they’re SOL.
A&E is still sitting on the Danny Masterson victim episode of “Scientology, the Aftermath”. Does he have to be formally charged for it to be released? Or do the feds have to step in and take over?
Seems like they could do a whole new series on it, like the Elizabeth Smart series now. Or interview victims of other Scientology protected celebrities like John Travolta. It has gone from a niche specialty series driven by celebrity Leah to “60 Minutes” territory. Maybe it’s just too big for A&E, could you sell it to CBS?
Blackmail Scientology style (we have your folders) only works as long as the crimes remain hidden. Once they are exposed the blackmail victim can turn state’s evidence and bring down the blackmailer. It is rough on the blackmailed perp but these guys have the cash to make it as painless as possible.
I stand in awe of the incredible courage of Danny’s victims and all the others who have come forward. It would be a travesty for them to have risked so much and gone through such hell only to have their testimony belittled and ignored just so Scientology can win. Again.
Scientology loses this time.
I believe A&E would sit on the episode until Masterson’s trial was all but over, to avoid even the possibility of adversely affecting his defense. Frustrating, I’m sure, but it’s the most ethically-correct thing to do (unless you’re the co$ with a utilitarian redefinition of what ethics means.) To the co$, “ethical” means “whatever forwards DM’s desire-of-the-moment”, which changes with the mercurial mood of the demented midget.
This criminal org is due for RICO. Take all the assets Uncle Sam. What are you waiting for?
Fess Up LAPD,
They are waiting for the “Witch Hunt” against Trump to end . . .
Then, their Tax Exemption can be terminated . . .
Once that happens, “let the games begin” on RICO !
Dave F.
HELLA YEAH, Like White on Rice Dave! ??????????????????????????????
So I’m watching Good Morning America about this clown and Scientology claims that LAPD cleared him years ago. I have to question whether the LAPD has any members of this cult?
Jaye, it used to be that large scamology owned businesses gave large donations to LAPD causes every year. The LAPD knew that those businesses were church member owned.
Jaye,
I thought only the E-Meter could “clear” him . . . LOL !
Dave F.
“…scientology cutting the rope to his sinking dinghy in shark-infested waters and trying to sail away over the horizon…” That’s friggin hilarious! And besides that, the “sinking dinghy” is very applicable to Scientology itself. I just hope it sinks fast. The sooner the better.
Yeah I’ll bet Donkey Punch’s ‘ding-a-ling’ is sinking.
Is Donkey Punch similar to Donkey Kong?
There are quite likely several large institutions and corporations very interested in Scientology’s activities to find the hidden truths within that may still be hidden from the purview from all Scientologists …
As well as all ex CO$, the “possibly mudered ones to which the whole truth” may never come to light …
I hope it’s for some sinister use against enemies of a benevolent society and they are not the people.
There’s a long struggle of false news being played out over a long time drawing too much attention … somewhere in there too … I sense.
Hubbard ranted about SMERSH … for a bit …
Rick, your tinfoil hat has holes in it.
Rick, the truth has already come to light. The problem is getting someone in authority to give a shit and overcome the hurdles of the religious card Scientology plays.
Funny how our likes change over time.
I despised Leah Remini (roll Entertainment Tonight? clip of her beaming at some big cult meeting and proclaiming how “without S’ology . . . “) I even personally boycotted watching “The King of Queens” because of her. Now I agree with a LOT of what she’s saying and doing. (I also get to watch TKOQ reruns, that are new to me.)
I liked Danny Masterson on That 70’s Show. I still watch the reruns, but now that I know about him and Laura Prepon my fandom has nosedived considerably.
PS What does his family of Cultists do when they see the “backing” he gets from the Cult?
I’ve been watching what Scientology calls justice for decades. I think the most apt comparison is a cannibals children cannot be expected to understand that their neighbors kids are off limits as potential unwilling dinner guests.
Danny Masterson was brought up in Scientology. The poor boy doesn’t know any better.
Now he is paying the price. Hubbard preyed on those with weak or no moral compasses.
Now the Cherch is reaping what it sowed. Unfortunately so are its members.
So well said….
Contrary to my usual pro-Scientology posts, on this one BKMole I have to agree with you that Scientology Justice has gone by the boards, went that way around 1982 and became more or less Kangaroo Courts with people being tried according to the unjust whims of their accusers or seniors. But then, before you all faint with disbelief at my seeming volte face, I would also like to say that such (injustice) is not Scientology, not per its own Policies. Before 1982 there was a very good chance that poor justice decisions could be reversed and they very often were. After 82? Well, slim chance.
And before you all heap tons of verbal bricks on me by misunderstanding me, I am not talking about the (public) Masterton case here, I am talking about Scientology’s own internal justice system for its staff and public.
” And before you all heap tons of verbal bricks on me by misunderstanding me.”
Well FP, sometimes there are other reasons but it is always good to have a contrarian around to keep us on our toes. We never know when a Mike Sutter or Marion Pouw might show up for a round or two.
Well I don’t mind real and truthful observations but, well, nonsense can’t be good for anyone, unless you all want to delude yourselves into whatever you think is real and truthful.
Nah, we leave the delusions to you.
Hey Foolproof,
You truly believe that Scientology ‘s “internal” justice system is sound. Put down your kool-aid and then please answer this, Why do you all send people and children away from their families because they refuse to bow to your lost and lying ways? You as a current rep for your so called group should really keeping telling your self that ” I like being alone, I like being financially busted with no viable credit rating, I like to be mean and nasty to those who may ask why you are still in after all true testimonials. You sir may not be involved directly with persons of this organization that have broken laws, but because you are still involved your are complicit and co-conspirator and accessory after the fact. You need to cut and run it is not worth the rest of life being subjected to horrific abuses that are now in public view and with social media nothing can hide, look at all the sexual abusers that are now paying the price of amoral and disgusting acts of sexual abuse with the facts to back it up. Jump your floundering ship, D.M. is going to cut and run with your money…… hope you get it buddy we will not attack you but will embrace you should you leave save yourself no one is going to be there in the end but the righteous few. Good Luck truly.
Did you actually read what I said?
What happened in 1982?
Foolproof got into scientology
Your mate Miscavige took over.
And what happened? Because I can promise you whatever he did, it was at the express direction of your mate L. Ron Hubbard… Hubbard was writing 20 page detailed orders about everything, from how to deal with the Mission Holders to the Int Finance Police and what to do with David Mayo.
Foolproof does have a point.
There was a time before 1982 and before the IJC/CJC system where justice actions were done and approved locally at Class 4 org level by the HAS and LRH Comm. No need to send any CSWs to CSI or RTC – they didn’t exist.
Away from the Sea Org there was a chance for a more rational approach than what happened afterwards.
When the authority and approval for Comm Evs and Findings and Recs went uplines and mandatory, the “unreasonableness” kicked in big time.
Class 4 orgs and Missions were a much more laid back affair than the Sea Org orgs.
That definitely changed around 1981/82 with the Finance police, heavy ethics, cold-chrome steel insanity.
I thought the creation of Senior HCO and the International Justice Chief was around 1976 or 77? I remember the first Snr HAS Int, Bob Pitts, at Flag then. The Senior HCO Areas and Continental PL was written by Hubbard and implemented approvals of Comm Evs by the IJC. This had nothing to do with Miscavige. He may have just arrived in the SO at this point and was working in External Comm.
nomnom speaks sooth! Yep, that was exactly how it was. Good explanation (I didn’t know the background as he states). All changed after (about) 1982.
No, according to his theory all changed around 1976 with the Senior HCO PL.
nomnom, by 1982 Snr. HCO Int had had at least 3 Snr. HAS’s. Your dating it off by almost a decade. That 3rd HAS, a swarthy looking Commonwealth guy, was removed from post in early ’83. By that point Paul L. had been IJC for a couple of years.
Mike, his theory was not 1976 – he stated: “That definitely changed around 1981/82 with the Finance police, heavy ethics, cold-chrome steel insanity.” This accords with my perception of the matter as well. Before that no real problem with Justice, a few things now and then but nothing rabid like it became after 82.
I thought he said with the advent of no local approval on commevs.
You DO know that the rabid attack on the Mission Holders and the Finance Police were all Hubbard directed don’t you?
Yes they may have been directed by Hubbard – after Miscavige had fed him and totally exaggerated the line that the Missions were criminal. Some were I believe (although their transgressions, when they existed, should have been dealt with with kid gloves due to the amount of income they were bringing in.) I read something on this a while ago which covered all this on another blog from someone seemingly in the know, which I found quite realistic and which I base my statement above on.
Hubbard was extremely jealous of the Missions “taking his public.” They were the latest people he deemed “parasites” on his orgs. The first round of this resulted in the formation of WISE to “keep businesses off the back of orgs” — that was in the 70’s. Hubbard had become increasingly paranoid about others trying to “take over” scientology — but if you read his Amprinistics issue or the stuff he wrote and said about “SP’s” in the 60’s you would understand that this was nothing new.
Trying to lay the blame on Miscavige for everything is misinformed and quite foolish.
You know people in the 70’s bemoaned the good old days in the 60’s before crush regging became the norm. People in the 60’s complained that ethics had messed up scientology and it was great in the 50’s. Some of the first people exposed to scientology complained that it was not dianetics and was no longer “science”…
Scientology evolved as Hubbard evolved. Everything in scientology is made in his image. That’s just reality. Even Miscavige himself is a product of Hubbard — he is the “ideal” SO member.
I think that Mike has a good point that Scientologists at the outer orgs and missions of almost every era, imagine that that the time before them was when things we’re really good – but that’s when things had gone off the rails, from someone else’s perspective. I’ve made a point of trying to talk to a lot of old timers in an attempt to figure out what was really going on, and what I hear is again in line with what Mike says, that things were always ugly close to Hubbard, and it just took time for that to reach the outer orgs and missions, where things slowly got worse.
I think that to some extent, people had good experiences almost in spite of Hubbard and Scientology, rather than because of them; away from the direct influence of Hubbard and the Sea Org, people tried to carry out their ideals of what they thought Scientology ought to be, which was not necessarily actually Hubbard’s vision. Finally, Hubbard sent out his Sea Org – and Miscavige – to extend his control, and orthodoxy, and put an end to that.
One dynamic that I think wasn’t recognized, because Scientology doesn’t like admitting to external realities, was that the conflict between the orgs and missions was heightened in the late 1970s and into the early 1980s, as the Baby Boom turned into what was then called the Baby Bust. They were left fighting over pieces of a shrinking pie – though they didn’t really recognize it, and instead traded blame, and doubled down on strategies like hard sell – as the population of young people dropped off dramatically, and became more materially-oriented as well, which affected all sorts of organizations and institutions (about 200 colleges had to close).
Some of the missions might have been great places to do low-level courses, but staff started to get treated more like Sea Org in order to make that happen, and some turned into dysfunctional little cults of their own; many were in fact evading some of their payments to Scientology, though that was justified as a response to the imposition of exorbitant fees (at Hubbard’s direction).
One of the things Scientologists are virtually indoctrinated into doing, is confusion correlation with causation: just because two things happen at about the same time, whether it’s doing a Scientology course and having something positive happen in life, or Miscavige taking over from a weakening Hubbard and the outer orgs and missions becoming more totalitarian, doesn’t necessarily mean that one necessarily caused the other.
Miscavige took over in 1986, after Hubbard keeled over and went “cruising with Xenu” !
Dave F.
No, he was running the show before that, and filtering Hubbard’s communications along with Broeker. He was Action Chief I believe around 82.
He was Special Pjt Ops by then.
Foolproof, if you don’t even know what Org DM was in when, why are you running your mouth so much about him?
Fool, you think that an Action Chief CMOI would be filtering R’s comm from the WDC Chair? Or, ED ASI?
Good to get “inside information” . . .
Mike, why can I not reply to people’s misunderstanding of my comments? You have not allowed 2 comments on here which corrects the misconception of others or rather other’s failure to read what I stated.
Because it’s the endless back and forth that becomes ridiculous. I don’t allow others who want to keep responding to you either….
You don’t need to keep “correcting people” — I haven’t deleted your comment so everyone can read that. If others misunderstand it, it’s not the end of the world. Everyone can read what was actually said.
Yep, ok.
I was wondering about the significance also…
I predict a Scientology enema is coming right up. It’s time!
I thought it was going to be a colostomy.
Danny’s new nickname will be “Shawshank”, once he gets to prison
Here’s one thing that LRH didn’t get on communication. Without trust, communication breaks down. I like how Mike laid out the points why not to trust their statement about cooperating with authorities, but the trust wasn’t inherent.
“When the IRS was hammering on scientology a bunch of executives were sent to Denmark to operate…” Wow. This explains a lot. Confuse. Disorient. Take away key ‘terminals’ so there’s nobody to interface. It’s like they’re playing a game and moving chess pieces around, except with people’s lives, finances, and family.
There’s ONE thing you can always trust about scn communication: They LIE without a second’s hesitation. Convincingly, too,… unless you’re anticipating their lying. They’re a lot like lawyers that way.
When I read “[the organization] denies the implication the Church would ignore the criminal behavior of certain members, especially at the expense of alleged victims,” “, I had to chuckle, as it’s ALL they do if the perpetrator has paid megabucks into DM’s coffers and is perceived as a current value to him. Fail either of those tests and it’s under the bus you go.
“This has nothing to do with religion.” They got that right, at least.
Of course it doesn’t! Why? Because it’s a vicious, evil, family destroying, militant, totalitarian CULT. With NOTHING redeeming about it.
*Scientology* has nothing to do with religion.
This is getting to the point (actually, it’s been at this point for decades) where the the US Department of Justice needs to step in and investigate this entire organization (based on their own policies) for systematic obstruction of justice.
YES, PLEASE YES!
I say, tar & feather the kid. Then run him out of town on a rail. I like the western style of justice.
Ahhh… The brighter side of mob rule. It’s good when they get it right!
They? Who’s they? We’re the ones gettin’ it right!
Mick Roberts “This is getting to the point (actually, it’s been at this point for decades) where the the US Department of Justice needs to step in and investigate this entire organization (based on their own policies) for systematic obstruction of justice.”
Tis the season, it seems. What’s that line from The Merchant of Venice? “… at the length, truth will out.”
Agreed! Or, Portia’s speech about “If Justice be thy Plea, then No Man shall attain Salvation….” Danny Masterson’s appeal to Justice is a Big Fat Joke! The DOJ needs to look at the “Greek Docs” and SEE what happened there. SSDD WHO “LOST” THAT VICTIM’S FILE anyway? They should be held accountable. What OBVIOUS crap!
COS or LAPD?
Well, now that you mention it…..both.
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I sent links from Tony’s page to NPR asking them WHY Danny was still on his show & Kevin was not.. I never got a response BUT the shit hit the fan a short time later at NPR. Then I understood why they did not pick up on it. I am glad the “main stream media” has it even at this late date. Run Danny Run! Hide Danny Hide!! Turn to your “church” in your hour of need – find comfort in their warm embrace. PS: I hope you are VERY afraid that no one will believe you… if you are not guilty good for you. IF you ARE guilty… I hope you pay a very high price for your sins.
For those that have tried to get justice please keep trying. For those that have received justice good for you. For those afraid to speak out for justice… please try – for everyone that speaks out there are many more yet to find their voice. Your voice will lead to many more voices raised united. If you simply can not speak out then support those that do speak, even if only in your heart.
Wow no wonder Scientologists need to look up so many words. Anything LRH writes is like a word salad and I have to read it 2 or 3 times to understand it and yes English is my first language and yes I went to college.
Where do you get these policy quotes Mike to you have all your old policy books? Is this on the Internet?
It will be interesting to see that while they won’t turn anything over to the authorities probably using the religious excuse that the “confessional” is private and thereby protected, they will leak those very same things to smear him if it suits them or just get rid of it so there is no evidence.
It certainly did not take them long to distance themselves from him. I don’t actually feel sorry for the poor bastard but I do hope it’s beginning to dawn on him that they are cutting him loose and it was all a lie.
Yes, Hubbard was a “man of many words”, mostly made up out of thin air !
I would love to see the reaction of some Scientologists to THIS :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNkLCR7TT3s
Dave F.
You thought you knew all the words, but Hubbard redefined them to add second meanings or additional nuances of meaning. I distinctly remember studying all these and the meanings seem clear, but that is only after studying lots of LRH and yes, word clearing. We tolerated this style of writing because LRH was the greatest person to ever walk the earth.
My Inner Space – Wikileaks has some Scientology policy docs. When I wanted to read about the Purification Rundown in the original policy letters I found at least three versions, each very slightly updated from the previous.
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Scientology
example:
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology_cult_1989_Policy_Letters_on_Minors_in_the_Sea_Org
Fair warning, though – delving into the madness of LRH’s writing is a frustrating exercise in watching narcissism look at itself in a bright mirror, and liking what it sees. Hubbard is often a tough read for anyone.
Also, The Scandal of Scientology by Paulette Cooper cites various HCO Policy Letters referenced in her book, though she does not reproduce the Letters themselves.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/tsos/sos-b05.html
Paulette’s book is reproduced at Xenu.net
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/tsos/sos.html
I’m sure there are other sources of Hubbard’s writing. Scientologists buy the full reference versions described here:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/studytech.org/red_volumes.htm
I have it on good authority that Hubbard has not produced any new letters since about January 24, 1986.
When you’ve been raised to believe that an apology is evil, where do you turn when that’s the only thing that could possibly make the situation a little less horrific? If he wasn’t such an arrogant ass, it would almost be possible to feel just a bit sorry for Danny right now as he sees his whole life implode around him.
The thing is though, being of a scientology mindset, he probably believes he will still wriggle out of this. He has for years now.
I hope I’m not being over optimistic to believe the tides have turned and even scientology being in bed with the LAPD won’t save him now. Maybe, just maybe the LAPD might finally realize they need to,reconsider their sleeping arrangements.
Yes. It’s time for the LAPD to find a reason and a bus that they can throw Scientology under. They may have to throw a few of the own under it too but long term corruption has a tendency to surface eventually. It has a certain type of life cycle. It truly is time for the sun to shine on Scientology’s corruption and their money trails.
Anybody still in the “church” of scientology who receives orders to destroy any evidence of Danny Masterson auditing confessions, PLEASE do the right thing. Make copies, get them out to the authorities, or better yet, entrust them to the more trustworthy press, or at least lawyer up.
Do the right thing.
You could be the next Watergate-size “Deep Throat” and go down in history as a moral hero. Whatever you do, DO NOT follow the orders of David Miscavige. He is absolute poison right now. Distance yourself from this train wreck before it steamrolls over you too.
No, wayc. Let the cherch destroy evidence of a crime, Let them do that. Its a very serious crime to destroy evidence. They’re TOAST if they do that.
But just so you feel better, be assured that no one on staff at CC Int or Flog or any org that Masterson ever set foot in will get such an order for the simple reason that all of these folders are ALREADY very far out of reach from any staff member. The cult’s attorneys have had them for months, you can bet on that. Every scrap that Danny Boy ever doodled on in the Church of Scientology has been removed and is in a vault somewhere whilst the attorneys go into their dance and this whole thing plays out.
Now that the latest news has made it to CNN, I’m hoping for a landslide of epic proportions! The worst part is the waiting for an LAPD investigation to conclude. Let’s hope they’re still working on it and have not dropped the ball due to the cult’s influence.
“But from decades of overseeing the handling of interactions with law enforcement, there is no question that when it comes to scientology cooperating, it ONLY happens when scientology sees something beneficial for them.”
Exactly, an example of that is their treatment of Brandon Reisdorf and wanting to put him through the ringer for something very minor compared to all the crap they do.
+1
Their over-reaction to this young man was despicable. Hang in there Brandon! Everyone knows what Pure Garbage Liars that “church” is.
“The Church adamantly denies the implication the Church would ignore the criminal behavior of certain members, especially at the expense of alleged victims,”
That’s one of those BIG BIG lies.
How about their incessant credit card fraud?
How about fearless leader beating the crap out of subordinates?
How about violating their agreement with the IRS and not refunding unused advance payments?
How about covering up child abuse including rape?
How about………
Geeze. What a load of crap.
Mike, this is a fascinating case. Danny Masterson is now spilled, toxic waste to the cult. . No more do I have to binge-watch vintage Sherlock Holmes on DVD. I’m on the edge of my seat right here in real time. The cult’s careful legal speak and outright lie with regard to instructing the victims to not go to the police – hilarious! Why, its written down plain as day in the Ethics Codes that doing so is a HIGH CRIME! A Suppressive Act! Fascinating.
And, Mike, once more – YOU are the best. And Leah. THE BEST!
Why are.police taking so.long to investigate?
Because sufficient evidence that a crime was committed is necessary before someone can be arrested. He has not been officially accused yet. And if the police don’t follow correct investigative procedure its an unlawful arrest and he goes free. Evidence.
On which note we have mixed feelings about that stalwart of cases involving the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology: The files missing with the police.
One would think that the FBI would know what to do…
Jens, this case isn’t in FBI jurisdiction. Purely a local crime. FBI ONLY handles Fed criminal violations.
If anything “crossed state lines”, the Feds can get involved !
Dave, they can but only will if it involves something like an established drug ring or the like. They don’t get actively involved in assaults, non-banking larceny, etc..
And, NOT “anything” that crosses state lines. That’s an old TV show cliché.
Look at all these Hollyweird guys that have been committing rape and such while flying all over the USA. LOCAL PDs are handling the invests. The FBI really isn’t into that.
The Cops have all been declared Suppressive Persons and can’t enter any Scientology buildings – LOL !
Any of us who were in this church for any length of time know that this church will do anything to protect itself and/or david miscavige (including breaking laws, destroying evidence and denying allegations as “religious bigotry”). It’ll do all our hearts good to see the bad guys take the fall for a change but I won’t hold my breath.
Well, of course Mary! What do you expect from a cult?
I tweeted something along those lines to Danny Masterson today – that he was no Tom Cruise and soon Miscavige would be cutting bait.
Funnily enough, I am still waiting for a response
They’re scared of you, Chee. They know you have Super Powers and will use them.
Yea but I thought they were all about confronting and handling suppression cause they had this really great ‘teck’ for that kind of stuff OSD? But maybe they need some bullbaiting on being scary.
We’ll see if Foolproof wants to take me up on my offer. If so, maybe you should mediate OSD because you know how scary of an Ess Pee I really am.
That I do. You even scare me! But, in a good way.
Haha – I was the first “terminal” HCO phoned when there was an “HCO BRING ORDER!” at our Org so don’t worry about me being scared. I love a good punch-up! And being a true Scientologist (definition: someone who is not a victim”), there is even less reason for me to be scared. I trained as a boxer in my youth as well and was pretty good!
But joking aside, I read your story either on this article and somewhere else (about your wife being regged etc.) and I genuinely feel sorry that you were mistreated this way. Truce? (But either way I am not bothered, let alone scared! Haha!)
Unbelievable. Does law enforcement know about knowledge reports, ethics reports, auditing sessions, etc.? Someone please enlighten them if they don’t.
A landslide sounds perfect about now.
Oh… My… GAWD!
I just imagined the howitzer sized foot bullets that David Miscavige is loading up for this whole Masterson Fiasco.
COB is probably taking charge of this situation as we speak, and I couldn’t be happier. He is the King of the Fuck Ups, and this might be his finest hour!
Advice to Danny Masterson: your “church” has dirt on you and you can expect them to use it to its utmost advantage over you. You will squirm, you will pay, you will RUE the day! So turn it back on them. You know they have the goods on you, so maybe there is some way to turn this scenario against them?? These people are NOT your friends.
Agreed on all, and I’ll only add that if Danny Boy turns canary he has plenty of juicy material to sink the cherch while they’re smearing him. Right now he needs the cherch and vice versa; that could change. You notice Co$’s defense of him is NOT that he’ is innocent. And THEY would know if he was. They have ALL the data. Someone said when a person is innocent and has the facts on his side, his lawyer argues his CASE, and when someone is guilty and/or the facts are NOT on his side, his lawyer argues the LAW. Both Danny Masterson and the cherch are both arguing the LAW. If he were innocent, both he and the cherch would be proclaiming his innocence to the rooftops. Notice he says the charges are “outrageous”. Not untrue, mind you – never has he said, “I didn’t do this”. Only that the charges against him are “outrageous”. Well, sure, they’re “outrageous” but are they TRUE? Truth can be outrageous!
Dave,
Yes, the walls are closing in.
Has the new abuse Task Force informed you and your Muffins that you are a ‘person of interest’ in the Shelly investigation? Has your Muffins provided you with a list of good spousal abuse attorneys? (Doesn’t matter what Shelly may currently think, only the facts/evidence/testimony. Think: Elizabeth Smart).
You may want to freshen up on your ‘FBI Raid’ experience from the 70’s. LOL
Maybe Danny Masterson and David Miscavige will share a cell. The two DMs can bitchslap and donkey punch each other to their hearts’ content, bless their little demonic hearts.
I find it interesting that Danny Masterson says in a statement partially ‘However, in the current climate, it seems as if you are presumed guilty the moment you are accused.’. Funny how he wants to blame the sexual harassment climate however this was being investigated before the climate ‘changed’.
It’s Scientology-speak – in their religious scripture is the requirement that the truth doesn’t matter, so say whatever is self-serving. And don’t forget he is also required by his religious beliefs to always attack his critics.
You already knew this, I think.
Ammo Alamo,
This is MY response to “Scientology speak” . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNkLCR7TT3s
Dave F.
Exactly what I was thinking!!!
oh Enough w there excuses that’s disturbing in itself so are this church in denial for them or to cover his butt wouldn’t wanna loose a god paying client either way just adds to them looking worse….
“Purpose is senior to policy” and “The greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” can be used to justify ANYTHING, regardless of wog law..
They did anything they wanted when I was in.
Yep, an analogy could be that Scientology is a religion on speed. Even Hubbard’s rotten teeth are indicative of it. Speed freaks are impulsive personalities and are capable of doing anything.
He just didn’t smoke ENOUGH. Yeah, dat’s da ticket. He just needed to smoke more.
That they turn over documents about themselves and parishioners when they think it helps their case but refuse to do so on religious and privacy grounds when they think it does not says EVERYTHING.
I really believe all the public relations pressure on Netflix is what finally caused their action. That same pressure needs to be applied to the DA’s office to bring this case to justice. It is going to be hard because most of the evidence is no doubt in the hands of the CO$. I hope these ladies don’t give up. We are all behind them. This could be the tipping point.
These ladies are going to demand their PC folders, Ethics folders, etc., for their evidence, just like Laura D did. OMG, I cannot WAIT, I tell you!
It would be fascinating to see the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology argue that the folders are handled by “ministers” only (as in the Laura D case) and at the same time that no-one has any responsibility to report anything to Law Enforcement.
In the mental retardation-mental health field, where I once worked, it was a felony to fail to report knowledge of child abuse, or fail to report believable threats to harm someone. Similarly, cops now regularly arrest spouses even if the partner swears those bruises came from running into a door.
But CoS still gets away with hiding evidence of crimes. Why? Because of the millions they have available to pay lawyers.
Any jobs today that involve care for children, geriatric (aka older peeps) the physically and mentally challenged or hospitals,domestic and sexual battery and so forth you are a Mandated reporter for all these folks no bones about it (no pun intended). In our current climate concerning Rape, Assault/battery, neglect causing permanent damage to body and or mind. Let social media help drive them into the ground. Today it is hard to keep every mouth shut actually impossible without physical abuse, and their is some just a little weaker and spills all. D.M. even your attorneys can bail on you and stop representing you, granted there is private clauses that keep them for speaking, but do you really think you have a solid core of peeps then some squeaks. Sorry Ammo Alamo got into this a little deeper. Howl from betsydawg.
Hey Aquamarine, while I’m waiting can I get some popcorn and beer?
Coming right up 🙂
You’re awesome! You’ve got it all together! And I think that’s bitchin.’
My hope is that the full relationship between LAPD and Corporate Scientology will be exposed. Where did the victims files go? Im positive Los Angeles law enforcement had electronic tracking 10 years ago. (We did in redneck country)Who removed the file?
Amen, brother!
Finally!! Maybe, just maybe, this will gain traction now that CNN is beginning to shine a light on the Masterson shit show.
“If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don’t ever defend. Always attack.” Notice they say to find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to settle. So they admit that they just manufacture things which may or may not be true. Loved the articles you quoted to show the policy the church is operating off of. They are damaged by their own words and writings.
Mark,
This may be about your last chance to “flip” on Dave, with more than your middle finger.
Good comment Cindy. I couldn’t help but “reverse the flow” so to speak. What if “Scientology Policy” was simply applied back on them. Life’s a two way street, how about some of Hubbard’s policy recommendations be mirrored back on Scientology? The ideal motivator!
Or put simply, people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. My goodness me… the incredible hypocrisy of Scientology knows no bounds when you really begin to grasp the God like status written into policy by Hubbard. They turn into unbelievably enormous generalities when you put them into motion. The selection of Mike’s Scio references above sets the tone of Hubbard’s true attitude towards his own country’s judicial system. Just look at the position it places the Cof$ in today! Hubbard sure took “us vs them” to new lows.
I really hope that like you said this, “sets a landslide in motion.” The victims have already stated that they tried to handle what happened to them the “Scientology way.” And what happened? NOTHING except for the VICTIMS getting blamed. It’s sick and I hope the whole institution comes crashing down and both DMs (Danny AND David) get what they’ve got coming to them.
If you had told me 10 years ago that Leah Remini and Danny Masterson would be the downfall of Scientology, I would have laughed. If you told me their roles in how it happened, I would have thought you a lunatic. Once they drop him and he sees the truth from the outside, he will be hard to shut up. So the attacks on him will begin. It’s going to get real interesting. Finally!!
Courtney,
Be SURE to include MIKE RINDER . . . Leah is the “WEAPON”, but Mike is the “NAVIGATOR” !
Danny is “CANNON FODDER” !
Dave F.
Oh, I knew Mike would be behind it all. Of that, I had zero doubt.
Any thoughts on Lionsgate pulling back on the Gotti film? Travolta being exposed next?
The Gotti film has been canned 10 days before its release date.
BOOM there goes another film/show dumped.
Do you think Scientology would cut Danny loose, even declare him, if it came down to it?
Cousin,
I think they might “disappear” Danny, if necessary, to protect “Miscavige” !
Ahhhh…what a shame.
Cousin, look what they did to Reed Slatkin
They ate him up…
Right!
For those who don’t know who Reed Slatkin was and did – from Wikipedia. He was a real piece of work!
Reed Eliot Slatkin (born January 22, 1949 in Detroit, Michigan) was an initial investor and co-founder of EarthLink[2][3] and the perpetrator of one of the largest Ponzi schemes in the United States since that conducted by Charles Ponzi himself.[4]
Slatkin had been an ordained Scientology minister since 1975.[4][5][6] Around 1984 he changed from being a full-time minister to becoming a self-employed investor, and many of his investment clients and victims were also Scientologists.[5]
Guilty plea and post-conviction
Slatkin pleaded guilty to mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice[11] and on September 2, 2003, he was sentenced to fourteen years in federal prison.[12]
His Federal Bureau of Prisons registration number was 24057-112 and he was initially incarcerated at the Taft Community Correctional Institution in Taft, California.[citation needed] By 2010, he had been transferred to the Lompoc Federal Correctional Institution in Lompoc, California.[1]
Many of his victims were also Scientologists.[5] In his fraud case, his lawyers blamed his behavior on Scientology; but Scientology’s lawyers from Latham & Watkins characterized Slatkin’s explanations as “shameful” and having “sold the psychiatrists a bill of goods”.[13]
In July 2013, he was released from a halfway house in Long Beach, California.[14]
On June 23, 2015, journalist Tony Ortega reported on his website that Slatkin had died from a heart attack. Ortega said that he had confirmation of Slatkin’s death from Slatkin’s ex-wife.[15][better source needed]
It could be suggested with much evidence that Scientology taught him everything he needed to know on how to pull off such a scam. Scientology gives a whole new meaning to being a “wise guy.”
You are one thorough Dude!
Getting some traction here and I still don’t see why Danny is resisting it, it just hurts more that way Danny; since he is an anal fan, he should have a grand time in prison, he’ll only WISH somebody could drug him to sleep first, but rumor has it that they won’t…
Maybe we’ll call it the Colon Rundown, cuz I’d venture to say that pretty soon, his will be getting rundown on a daily basis!
Almost time to “apply lowers” Danny!
Hey Danny: “Would you like to write a success story?” Talk about a dirty needle, this gives that Hubbardian term a whoooole new meaning, gunna be lots of ’em where you’re headed son!
I’m laughing so hard at the Colon Rundown ?
It’s priceless ?
For what we are about to receive, may the Lord make us truly thankful
No, it’s not priceless. I know for a fact that the price is $650,000 for the Colon Rundown. If you come in today, they’ll take .0007 off the price. Sounds like bargain to me.
Me too, Midwife 🙂 Talk about running his case, LOL!
Prison rape is no joke. I find your comments about the “colon rundown” tasteless and offensive. I want Masterson brought to justice for whatever he has done – but your brand of sadism and your crude attempt at “humor” are not funny and not the way to go.
Party Pooper…
bix, let me tell you what’s also not a joke.
Many of the people posting on this blog have sustained enormous losses because with the best and most honest of intentions they trusted a cult.
They lost children, spouses, friends, jobs, and plenty of money. They live with grief and longing, they live with anger. They live with regret because of what they did for and with this cult that contributed to their situation today.
They come to this blog and say what they need to say and its a safe space for them. Mike makes it safe for them. Let them blow off steam sometimes.
Your calling these people “sadists” is WAY out of line. WAY WAY WAY out of line.
Save your pontificating for your fried chicken church suppers.
Back off on the make-wrong when you’re dealing with the people here who are bearing what they have to bear with a GREAT deal of strength, courage, understanding and CLASS.
YOU are out of line. Back off.
I betsydawg second that outstanding statement Aquamarine. You are an amazing writer of truth with respect with a little salt thrown back. Rape is no joke either bix and to say that they get miss treated so be it. Rapist are animals and do not deserve better. Now if they confess their sins to Jesus then they will be forgiven being in the flesh just not so easy it is called free will. Their will still be a judgement day for all and it is out of our hands and I have faith justice will be forth coming.
Wow… what she said! + heaps.
Well said Aqua.
What’s “offensive” is what’s “offensive” for you . . .
Like it or not, that child molester / rapist will be “very popular” in prison, for a while, before . . .. !
Dave F.
I agree that rape is no joke in ANY circumstance. Prison is no joke either but at least they earn their way in there. Creating victims of rape in society at large is way more heinous imo and the offenders deserve prison. Prison is a horrible place and is intended to be a deterrent. It is not very effective for altering the mindset of repeat offenders and creates a whole myriad of psychological problems for inmates but we don’t hear very much from those that it scared the crap out of and they went straight, never to reoffend. It’s not a perfect world but we need to so something about the criminals in it when they are caught.
There is no greater hardship for the soul than trying to console a rape victim, especially defenceless women, girls, boys and young children. If Masterson is guilty of the accusations against him, he needs to confront the consequences, along with explaining in a court of law any cover up by the Church of Scientology. There is one person who knows for sure the complicity of the Cof$ and/or the police in these allegations and that’s Masterson himself. He needs to do the right thing, even if forced to do so. I hope the whole truth is exposed in a court of law. I feel for the auditors, CSs and EO’s who are aware of such crimes and did nothing because of the oppression they are under but that is still NO excuse and the Cof$ must be exposed for its system of criminality. Think of the innocent victims Scientology knows about, yet refuses to protect or seek justice for! Scientology actively creates its own victims and offenders by actually enforcing sedition. Reread the policy excerpts above, that’s actual Scientology Policy!
None of these problems would exist if Scientology worked… it obviously doesn’t!
A note to Bixntran,
In one hand, I do completely agree with you; a prison system that could allow this abuse to happen within it is pretty darn barbaric.
As Aqua and OSD touched on (alright well just Aqua, OSD is a smart ass like me…) , this is VERY different than just randomly or lightly mocking prison rape.
If Danny, and a well-known guy who should have no real challenges finding consensual sex out there…if Danny thought it ok to rape girls and then to laugh in front of their faces and joke about it when confronted by the CSI who was trying to calm the situation down, then maybe after some time as a “bottom”, he will then reflect on WHAT IT FEELS LIKE to NOT want it in the ass and have somebody put it there anyway…
The expression “The truth hurts” seems ironically fitting.
Midwife, glad it brought you a laugh, we need more of that always!
-SLP
Agreed with bixntram that making anal rape jokes here is out of line, given that any of masterson’s four (known) anal rape victims could be reading. Don’t see anything courageous about it, and pretty much the opposite of understanding and class.
You completely missed my point. What I said was in defense of the people on this blog who have suffered trauma and severe loss with regard to their INTENTION when they made suck jokes. Not one of them is OK with rape of any kind! If you’ve communicated over the years with them via this blog, THAT fact is obvious!
There is such a thing as CONTEXT when we communicate.
What I said was in no way a defense of anal rape or anal prison rape, any more than our President’s jesting about how he’d be dating Ivanka if she were not his daughter should be taken as a defense of incest. She was sitting right there with him on The View when he said that, and she laughed. She knew him, she knew he was joking in his own “I love to be outrageous and shock people” way.
That said, its quite possible that a number of female viewers who HAD been molested by their fathers and thereby traumatized, possibly for life, were horribly offended by such a joke.
So its understandable that joking about certain things are going to outage and offend certain people.
Let’s leave it at that. Your and bix’s point is taken.
To any of the readers of this blog who have experienced abuse or have someone close to you who has…my deepest apologies if I have offended you. Sometimes we think a thought and write it, and others read it from a whole different place.
While we should not be afraid to express our thoughts for fear of possibly offending somebody somewhere, any of you that I have offended will hopefully understand when I say that doing so was no part of my intention.
I happen to know several people in this whole cluster-phuq, names that have stood up and come forward, that have been victims of sexual and other abuse. They are friends. They are allies. Some are employees. They know where my heart is at.
For those who do not know me and were offended by my words, you have my deepest apologies, ironically it is for you who I fight…
I love the quotes.