You thought the Terminator was relentless. Hah. Complete wimp when viewed alongside scientology fundraising automatons.
This example says it all.
They raised $20 million or so for Valley “ideal” Org.
And then, as with every other “ideal” org, they go into a panic to get their “CF filing backlog done in order to be ideal.”
And now Valley – the biggest, baddest, most important ideal org on earth, in the midst of the largest concentration of scientologists on earth, with the biggest whales on earth is begging for donated Widows [sic] computers (not too old…) to be able to connect up to “addresso” “via the internet.”
One might naively assume that in the millions they have sucked out of people from all over the world for their ideal org, they have a few thousand to make a trip to Best Buy to pick up some $500 computers? They could not keep 5 of them occupied full time (they don’t have enough people) so for a few thousand they would be set. But apparently $2500 is too much for them to be able to squeeze out of the org Financial Planning (that is the entire payroll of the org for a month) or the ideal org “budget” to buy some computers? Keep in mind, they are going to be buying dozens of $5000 Warehouse 8 EMeters for all the empty auditing rooms, course rooms and Qual offices in their building. And yet they cannot even buy a SINGLE $500 computer. So, what is the solution? Beg for them to be “donated” from the same dead horses who have been being beaten for 15+ years to hand over their cash, securities, credit cards, college funds, inheritances etc etc. How demeaning is this now?
But you can NEVER stoop too low when it comes to asking people to give to any of the numerous “vital” “urgent” “epic” “world changing” causes they come up with.
The “donation” culture of scientology is all-pervasive. This is just a silly example that illustrates the absurdity of it. And how scientology has become an organization of entitled beggars. For everything.
Jesus, that stupid org is a real money pit!
Don’t forget either that LRH declared that any error with a computer would be called a crime… while the cult crimes committed by yheir extended system of adresses (adresso) and copyright violations is incredible. This adds to the begging for old computers to gabricate one more solution designed to pump still more money from people having left the cult since 3 or 4 décades!
Hey Scott, got any blue diamonds, LOL
Hey Scott Bradberry,
Some words of advice, read the four conditions of exchange, and when done, send a cramming order up to Davey to do the same. You Punk you.
We in RTC today declared everyone in the Valley Org who was involved in this criminal plot to obtain computers that could connect to the internet. These SP’s obviously used a glib pretense of “handling CF” in order to gather a few computers to go online and read entheta.
We in RTC crushed this mutiny before it could spread its deadly tentacles of disaffection across the SFV and all of Southern California. We remind Scientologists that “Connecting to the Internet” is a HIGH CRIME per COB Advice 59-A26XILP: The Deadly and Disturbing Dangers of the Degraded Internet.
Scientologists with a legitimate reason to “logon” must have two OSA staff members present and must be sec checked before, during, and after “logging on.” This entire OSA security procedure will be videotaped to ensure that secret codes are not being surreptitiously transmitted to Big Pharma under the guise of, say, ordering CalMag online.
Thanks Jeff. As always, you made me laugh out loud.
No, they need those used computers hoping that the hard drives have not been erased so they can snoop to see who has been reading online entheta. Actually, even if the drive has been “erased” through Windows, the data is still there and can be recovered. To completely obliterate the data requires special procedures not readily available to the casual user. So, OSA can easily recover information.
“… a HIGH CRIME per COB Advice 59-A26XILP: The Deadly and Disturbing Dangers of the Degraded Internet.”
So funny!
Super clever and funny.:))))
Off course they can just use the money that they have stolen from me personally (criminality, no exchange per Ron) that is currently on account at AOLA and ASHO. I do think however, that the best thing for current Scientologists is to keep donating, until they are completely destitute. It will lead to noble suffering and be good for their soul. You know, sort of a “fuck you” to MEST. (I will however no be contributing to Go Fund Me accounts for former friends who now have cancer or some such; I have done that, but a couple died anyway, waste of my money really; suggest supplemental medicare as soon as possible and putting in time in CF, keeps the mind active in those “golden years”)
Demento part with money that has no immediate direct benefit for him? I think we can all guess the answer to that question.
I can do are a few, my place is getting rid of them. We’re a psych association. I’ll leave.our website bookmarked.
MIllions spent on SuMP, full of a megaton of extremely expensive equipment (if the pictures are to be believed).
And the org is still left to ask for donations for a basic PC or two at an org. And the people who remain “in” still can’t see the problem.
Yikes.
My god this is so pathetic! No one connects the dots with these fundraising schemes. The 20 mill raised obviously doesn’t belong to the Valley Org anymore. It went straight into the coffers of one of the corporate entities of the Co$ and can’t be touched by Valley parishioners. They can’t see the absurdity of this, and if anyone did, they would have their origination shot down immediately. The blind leading the blind – who needs and wants to be blind – indeed.
I’d have thought that a computer system would be mandatory for an “Ideal Org”, yet this seems to be happening AFTER “Ideal” status was achieved……….
Does anyone want to donate them a “modified” PC which will either shut down the entire network, or will happily send out all their information, including emails, to a specified IP address…….??? (Not that this is legal of course….)
I haven’t got any Widows, but I do have an old cracked copy of Microshaft Winblows they could have…
Mike, when you say beating a dead horse you could not be more correct.
Some of the people I’ve seen who are involved with the Valley Org are truly barely alive.
Very sad state of affairs and they in no way see how trapped they are.
Valley Org ~ begging for $$$$. An Embarrassment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N6JrIalIvU
I just checked out their donation URL. And guess what: It’s STILL live. So anyone idiot enough can still contribute to this day–after the fundraiser was completed with much fanfare. Leeches never rest!
If you buy someone a car and they hit you up every time they need gas, does it start to sink in that buying them a car was a mistake?
Scnethics, that is a great comment. 🙂
In early 2015 my hubby and I were doing the CF project at the local San Diego Org, for our amends project due to our comm-ev…….and lo and behold they also had a very old computer which had actually been donated by the one public person there who was in charge of the CF Project, and he was his job to connect the org CF to Central files. They are about to move into their new Ideal Org so I wonder if they will get new computers or have to ask the public for money for them.
They will probably ask for money first and when that doesnt work, see if they can score some donated “Widows” computers.
After scanning the contents of your old computer for any financial records or evidence of visits to Mike Rinder’s blog
Right… be careful when donating/recycling your old computers, stuff hangs around the hard drive even if “deleted”, it’s possible for it to be recovered. Advise caution.
Always remove such hard drives prior to selling or donating your computers. If you truly feel you want to prevent anything from being taken, have a drill press drive a hole through any part of the hard drive. Makes it impossible for anyone to extract anything from it!
When I joined staff in the mid-80s the org was doing their Compliance Reports by-hand in triplicate (sometimes more), using scraps of paper and worn carbon paper. I was shocked, it was absurd. I brought in a PC that I had built, and it soon became the “brain” of the org.
They ditched the old Telex machine and did everything through the computer. Addo soon followed. But never did they once invest any money in the computer itself, despite my continual warnings.
It took a catastrophic failure for them to realize the value of computerization.
Scn’s style of management is what I call “Hill 10 Management”. They will not spend money on infrastructure unless they have a gun to their head. They have no plan and cannot predict the future, so investing in or maintaining an established, working solution is never seen as a priority. When things go to shit they end up paying 10x of what it should cost.
Don’t get me started about INCOMM…
Hey, Statpush, don’t knock those old WiCat computers in Incomm. Some day they can be featured in a Computer Museum of How to Not to Do Networks.
In the 80s there was exactly one computer outside of Incomm at the Gold Base. That was an old original MAC tube style that belonged to Don Bateman. For Financial Planning meetings they all huddled around the MAC to crunch the numbers.
Later there was an Apple II in Treasury for the books. It was mid 90s before there were real computers at Gold in decent numbers. But they were still on an ad-hoc network with fixed IP addresses when I left in 2004. A 20th century religion with 19th century technology in the 21st century. Like Rip van Winkle.
Does anyone know if Don Bateman is still around? He worked with me in LEC for awhile in the 70s before becoming LRH Transport IC or something – then I left. He was a nice guy.
Are these the same people who have the lock on management “tech?” Whose literacy and phony degrees serve as inspiring testaments to their study “tech.” Whose PR “tech” has made them beloved wherever they go. Whose marriage and family “tech,” well never mind, that’s just too easy with inspiring examples like Tubby and Cruise.
Every ‘challenge’ in $cientology is a fund raising opportunity. Every one. The Harlem mOrg was all ready to open but then the clampire needed 6 months to train the staff in the ‘new management directives’. Like they didn’t notice that no one had been trained before all the furniture was put in?
I think ‘addresso’ is some clam program that hunts down present addresses of anyone with a pc folder. A folder that may have been created because you bought a book or just gave them your name and address for some reason.
Now they want gently used computers? I should resurrect my old 386 machine and put Win 3.1 back on it. Planning is not a strong suit in the clampire. Hell, it’s not even in the deck. A deck filled with Jokers…
I have a Commodore 64 I could give them. I’ll leave on the Pong game for them as well.
I turned pro in pong in the mid 70s. Maybe I should go to the Morgue and share my knowledge of pong with them. I just hope the place isn’t dead.
Actually, ‘addresso’ is the term used to describe the section and the officer in charge of maintaining addresses in an org . The name came from an old machine used to stick address labels onto magazines and letters. It shows how archaic the church really is. But you are right on all other points. It is used to track down some schmuck who bought a copy of DMSMH thirty years ago and hit him up for money.
ref: Addressograph – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addressograph
“A deck filled with jokers.” And we all know what Hubs had to say about jokers and degraders!!! CALL IN THE MAA!!!! LOL
Every time I read your Blog and its comments I feel so glad that I left the church!
SOOO lucky I saw the light!
I know that some churches say one is born again. I know I’m a born again realist and caring spiritual being.
Which I was before I entered the dwindling spiral.
Oh boy Nezquik,thank you.I really hate to see cancer rampage through anyone’s body.I have realized I have alot of company in the cancer club of those who have been touched lightly all the way up to smashed by Scientology.?
Computers that connect up to the internet.Me no think you use Internet is good idea.You migt accidently stumble on mikerinder.org if you Google yourself.
It is incredible that they would want a lot of dud old crap in what is meant to be a shining example of standeder tech. Personally I’d send them something loaded with ‘Widows’ Vista and see how far they get with it, good luck finding wireless cards that will work with this. Perhaps they might learn that there is a little thing called ebay, where you can pick up an i3 HP or Dell machine for $150 which comes with Windows 7 and would serve for many years to come. Are they really that cheap that they won’t consider this?
Next week they will suggest somebody buy one and gift it to the org. This week they’re pretending to recycle.
Problem solving at the org level… and from the people who have the only tech on life!
Screw WinDoze and its insecurity. A couple of old PCs with something like Ubuntu would be more productive.
Mike, do we really want Valley CF to have a computer with the speed and stability of Ubuntu? No, we want something that’s a perpetual fuck-up, that’ll crash if you fart in the next room. So Vista it is.
Besides, their program to interface with “Central Addresso” is probably DOS-based. DOS 1.0, I’ll bet.
My bad Espi. Vista it is. Preloaded with the choicest DOS compatible viruses
Gimpy: “Are they really that cheap that they won’t consider this?” In a word, YES!!!
Yeah and to think, these people don’t see the big disconnect here. You point these things out because they are such obvious outpoints to the scene, but inside the bubble I’m amazed at how their minds work to justify this.
On the other hand, I know how Scientology works. Having been in and among this scene for years, the thought is, we can’t spend that money, it’s earmarked for something else. Find new money. So the person tasked with coming up with new money, can’t get through the red tape of AC/EC to get approved such money and that’s because they aren’t generating enough income from delivery of Scientology services, so they resort to the path of least resistance and fastest return: asking for donations.
“I’ll just ask the public for more money and their exchange will be a pretty commendation [which may mean something come OT Elig, but will mean NOTHING if you step out of line with the church and find yourself in Department 3 (Ethics)].
This is the SOP. They’ve got it figured out, in the U.S., they are a Constitutionally-protected con game that uses some of it’s funds to safeguard and protect their bottom line. And they do this by engaging in unlawful, unethical harassment of anyone who would challenge their scam while attempting to capture sympathy from headline readers. Only thing is, too many people are too smart to Scientology these days – thanks to blogs like this and others.
Having been in and among this scene for years, the thought is, we can’t spend that money, it’s earmarked for something else. Find new money. So the person tasked with coming up with new money, can’t get through the red tape of AC/EC to get approved such money and that’s because they aren’t generating enough income from delivery of Scientology services, so they resort to the path of least resistance and fastest return: asking for donations.
You got it down in a single sentence.
And what flows from this you have exactly right too.
Very, very good Michael. Best explanation of the mechanism I’ve ever read. It sure gives the indication of the incredible arrogance and greed just up the chain in Int Mgmt. Their reverse flow of selective references back down the line that it’s the Org’s responsibility to solve it with Scientology etc.
The oldest clue solving game in the book will always solve the problem of Scientology – follow the money! A subject totally banned from a Scio’s cognitive process, they are too busy saving mankind to think of the actual game they are in. They are being played for all they are worth, and then some.
As everyone knows, Scn administrative policy is carved in stone, fixed in time and space in 1950s Americana. There is no evolution of process, no innovation, no effort to streamline or improve efficiency.
While this is generally true, we have seen successful attempts to move away from Hubbard’s “advanced” admin tech, namely in the form of straight donations. This is probably the most significant change in local org management since the Old Man was around.
But, this change is probably the worst possible decision they could have made. The funding of orgs by straight donation provides zero incentive for the orgs to:
1) Deliver goods and services to the public
2) Operate more efficiently
3) Improve their PR with the general public
4) Plan for the future
In other words, it was a decision that guarantees their demise. This tends to erode the very reason people join staff in the first place – to help change people’s lives. Their goodwill is being squandered to prop up a pretense of affluence. This is why they get all excited when someone completes the Ups and Downs Course, and send out emails and promo announcing the fact. Sad, very sad.
This single misguided decision undermines the very people who make up an org.
So very true. It still amazes me to recall the voice of Hubbard on tape in 1951 stating quite clearly he really didn’t have a clue how to manage a 3rd Dynamic, Ist Dyn sure but the 3rd, it’s too much of a wild card type of thing as he called it. Yet here we are looking at the standardizing of a system so based on a clueless guess as to how it should be run. The evidence abounds at just how right he was!
The elevator sure doesn’t go to the top floor with Scientologists.
Michael Winters, thank you for that great post.
Stupid is as stupid does…And, boy, do these people look stupid.
Boggles – the ideal name for the Scientology mascot.
As in boggles the mind? I lost my mind two weeks ago.
Get one of them fancy hitch pitched whistles and give it a good toot. Your mind will come back to you, but be careful of what it says followed it home. You don’t want no stinking strays fooling around in there.
OSD, I think I found your lost mind. Looks a bit worse for wear, but still functioning. I’ve sent it back to you via my OTness and it should be delivered momentarily. Carry on, old friend! 🙂
Many thanks, TGM!
Never, ever does it fail to blow my mind how these people operate. First, many millions are collected to buy/renovate/furnish a building to house the organization. Then when that’s accomplished they turn their attention to building the organization, to hiring staff, to being able to deliver their actual products. And they see nothing unworkable or downright stupid in operating this way. Blows my mind every time, I tell ‘ya.
Me too.It really is so idiotic & absurd.But I think this cult is still very dangerous when wounded & cornered.?
The problem is that after you have maxed out all of your credit cards, taken the kids college funds, (and smashed their piggy banks), sold the house, all stocks and accounts, every penny that can be scraped up anywhere and given it to them, the only acknowledgement you get is “I’LL BE BACK”.
To that you reply “FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE and you get declared.
I was going to add something, but, you said it perfectly. I especially liked the, FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE. An outstanding post!
Damn good thing that Hubbard was able to create of all those Homo novus’ people to deal with problems like the computers.
In my ENTIRE life I have NEVER worked in a more DISABLED organization than when I was on staff. And I have worked in businesses big and small AND government.
I’m glad its not just me who thought this, for anything other than scientology most of them were f***ing useless, the impression I got was that the org was circling the drain and pulling as many of us in with it as possible.
What…you don’t like circling the drain? I used to circle the drain, but, I gained a few pounds & couldn’t fit anymore…
I believe it! CF keeps on Coming Back.But what Old Ron really meant instead of We Come Back it should be CF Comes Back!?
F’ing true Ann B! The god damn CF godzilla pit. I would bet that there has NEVER been an Org CF (where the org has been open for more than 6 months) that has been kept up per policy.
Ours never was.
You obviously haven’t read The Computer Series… 🙂
unfortunately I have statpush. The biggest piece of garbage (almost) ever spewed by Tubbolard. 🙁
I must admit I rejected that series after the first couple of paragraphs. Haven’t read ’em either, nor will I.
My first response was this can’t be Hubbard and even if it was it would have been outdated by the time it hit the printers anyway. “Standardizing” absolutely everything is a total bypass of anything even resembling intelligence enhancing – it does exactly the opposite of self awareness, makes robots!
Scientology – the anti wriggle room management system.
Maybe someone should tell Scientology to come to PT.
They are in an incident of long duration. (
The World knows what Scientology really is – thanks to brave and courageous folks that speak out about the criminal history of the founder, the “church” and it’s new leader – Con Man and Charlatan – Mr. Slappy David Miscavige.
Thanks Mike!!
Looks to me as simple beggary. The cherch got their money and their children. Now the cherch wants whatever useful gadgets they have left in their possession. The cherch won’t ever be satisfied since the cherch is a ‘hungey ghost’.
Hey, I’ll throw in my old toothbrush! I did use it to scrub a bathroom floor once.
Pathetic! How long is is going to last?
I love opening up this blog at work and seeing the Terminator pop up. XD
On a sadder note, best wishes go out to John Stout, a Scientologist in Detroit who has given millions to that ideal org as well as ideal orgs across the country. He honestly believes he’s doing what’s right and doesn’t care about his own personal financial strife.
He was diagnosed with cancer 9 months ago and has, despite some hopeful early signs, found out he’s basically terminal.
Scientology sucks dry the good works and efforts of yet another good man. Let the ‘Church’ burn.
Ah shit! John Stout was a really nice guy. Haven’t seen him in decades. I thought he escaped long ago. 🙁
I hate hearing stuff like that. Good luck to this John guy.
Yep! He’s going to need it…and then some.