Someone recently included some quotes from L. Ron Hubbard in a comment (I don’t recall where exactly and sorry for not attributing) and it prompted some thoughts… Always a dangerous thing.
And that was reinforced when I read the article on Tony Ortega’s blog with new documents uncovered by Chris Owen disclosing that Mr. Hubbard, after failing to ingratiate himself with the apartheid governments of South Africa and Rhodesia, had sought to buy his way into Malawi by offering them hundreds of millions in today’s dollars. (Interesting to note his liberal recounting of the “facts” about who he was and what he was doing – a common thread throughout his entire life).
Hubbard literally wanted to take over the world. He believe this was what he had been sent to earth to accomplish (see earlier post addressing his assertion that he was “not from this planet”).
As with a lot of things Hubbard, he had a penchant for brazenly stating his claims and intentions no matter how outlandish or outrageous they were. And then convincing people he was going to make them come true.
Right at the outset, his over-the-top claims for Dianetics were met with incredulity by psychiatry, doctors and academia (and Hubbard dismissed them all as “vested interests” and worse and all negative media was fueled by a conspiracy to destroy man’s “only hope”) and almost fervent belief by his followers in the his discovery of the fountain of youth and claims he could teach anyone to build their own at home. As it became clear that clears DID still get colds, cripples weren’t able to walk and cancer was not cured, Hubbard didn’t back away from his claims. He doubled down on them. With an almost endless series of “new breakthroughs” (all of which people had to pay to access) that would NOW make it possible to produce a “stable Clear” as had been described in Dianetics. And when after 16 years he announced the ultimate — “The Clearing Course” — and it still didn’t do the trick, he came up with a new revelation that Clearing as described in Dianetics was merely “clearing the first dynamic” and now you needed to do the OT levels and the Wall of Fire (that lasted for a while but then became the “second wall of fire” as the first one apparently hadn’t been extinguished all the way). Meanwhile, Dianetics was still the bible and everyone new to scientology was still supposed to buy and read it and nothing was EVER said that the claims within it were no longer supported.
So too his pronouncements about taking over the world and turning it into a “scientology society.” Scientology, and Hubbard apologists, will argue that this was NOT his intention. He had no desire to take over the world. They alone have an amazing ability to just know when his words don’t mean what they say (ie when it is not convenient to their argument), though it is actually a fundamental doctrine of scientology that one does NOT interpret Hubbard’s words. You duplicate, understand and apply them.
Hubbard called repeatedly for “clearing the planet” which necessarily entails making a large percentage of the population into followers of his “tech”. As he said, you cannot go Clear by eating garbage, you can only do it with standard dianetics and scientology auditing.
But it was more than the salvation of individuals by erasing their reactive minds that Hubbard sought. He wanted his views, his “policy” to dictate the actions of society as a whole. These are just two of his more brazen quotes on the subject:
” It was only towards the end of his life, when his own mortality became undeniable, that reality crashed down upon him. He told Sarge Pfauth, his faithful companion and handyman that he had “failed” (see Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear p. 364 — see also Marty Rathbun’s transcript of his talk with Sarge in his book Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior).”
Partial transcript also available at the end of one of Marty’s posts:
https://markrathbun.blog/2013/09/06/emotions-iv-the-top-of-the-tone-scale/
“WHAT I SAY IN THESE PAGES HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE, IT HOLDS TRUE TODAY, IT WILL STILL HOLD TRUE IN THE YEAR 2000 AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD TRUE FROM THERE ON OUT.”
This is the brain lock still-ins have to extricate themselves from. This is mind fuckery of the first order.
http://suppressiveperson.org/1965/02/07/hcopl-keeping-scientology-working/
Haha – the MisU Glee Club is holding a meeting it seems! Motto: “we didn’t read the instruction manual properly so we can’t install the DVD player!” Well you can ask Mike about this with his own invented EP for Solo NOTs because he wasn’t getting anywhere with it, Brian with his “OTIII” without a meter on his back porch, George of course has meanwhile spontaneously combusted after running his version of “OT8”, Terra only takes up those meter reads he feels like, and I suppose the list could go on and on. Tip of the iceberg stuff here as well – what others on here have been getting up to would leave Alice In Wonderland flabbergasted for fantasy.
How many times are you going to mention Brian and the porch thing? Honestly, who gives a shit?
Kay, if FPs chant stops, he must then confront that he has been wrong about Hubtard and going OT. It might cause him to commit suicide. I had a psychiatrist read his posts. He told me it was a last ditch defense mechanism to keep his whole self universe from collapsing in on himself
Ah! Of course – Wynski. Well, did you know that I had a Scientologist read your posts and he commented “as to last ditch defense mechanisms, Wynski’s universe of self collapsed on him eons ago and he is engaged in a long lost struggle with an oppressor and is only resolved with 3 S&Ds”, but then he changed his mind and said “no, wait, he’s too far gone – only Power Processing can resolve such a case”! Really! Honest injun! Interesting that Scientology could even resolve your case eh? Don’t know about Psychiatry though – nah!
Ah, everything that is so lovable about true believer scientologists all wrapped into a single sentence. They have the answers for everything and KNOW they are right about it…
Yes, must be awful. But you could have said the same for Wynski’s nonsense, could you not? Aren’t you supposed to show at least some impartiality?
Why should I be impartial? I make no secret if the fact that I am trying to end the abuses of scientology. He is not trying to justify or explain them or the underlying principles on which they are based. You on the other hand take every opportunity to seek to denounce those critical if scientology because it engenders abuse.
Oh! About the same amount of times that Brian ventures his opinions on what he thinks is “the tech”. Hang on, there’s a nice sunset, going out on to the back porch now with my OTIII pack.
As I understand it Elron’s OT3 story is about why life on earth is the way it is because of an ancient “incident in this sector of the Milky Way galaxy.” He also had maxims, axioms and logics which I never paid attention to since they weren’t part of studying to become an auditor in the 1970s. Supposedly these are his contemplation on how “thetans create universes” blah, blah, etc., etc. Theoretical metaphysics. I wasn’t into it then and I’m not now although some people like to contemplate such things.
Everyone knows that God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days and on the seventh day He rested. Something like that. Elron got many people interested in his path to becoming gods and goddesses.
I think there are fundamentalists in all religions. There might also be anti scn fundamentalists, not a worthwhile thought in the entirety of the subject. The public cares little about the history of scn or the subject itself, only the current CoS incarnation.
Richard, you are lucky that the hounds of hell, in their haste to bathe my comment in hellfire, failed to spot your adroit labeling of “Anti-Scientology Fundamentalists”! And of course Mike has reserved that label for the pro-Scientology “Fundamentalists” so they probably got confused as well. Or perhaps, like attempting to read an HCOB, they didn’t get beyond the first sentence of your comments, or, seeing your name, thought “Oh! Richard, he’s not as bad as that hellhound Foolproof”. “Anti Scientology Fundamentalists”! Good one!
Spacetime is relative. Most science accepts the big bang theory of creation. There weren’t any stars or planets around after six earth days but things got started.
I would count this as witty, but only if you replace the W with an Sh ? sir, your insights are as useful as wet TP.
Then let’s look at the chap who actually wrote the damned manual. A fat ass with rotting teeth. A liar. A guy who, after writing a book on achieving optimum mental health, claimed he had magical abilities and that all men were his slaves. A skilled hypnotist whose processes induce light to mild trance states and euphoric depersonalisation. A drug user. A man who once requested psychiatric treatment, who admitted to drinking heavily and popping pills the same year he “discovered” an ancient galactic holocaust and the dude who instigated it (even his frikkin’ name). I could go on… This is the man you still believe single-handedly unlocked the mysteries of the mind and spirit. A man whose “bridge to total freedom” led him to a life as a foul-tempered recluse, screaming at the ghosts of his prehistoric, post-apocalyptic ancestors. A man whose authority you deem worthy of submission, whose “therapy” you are happy to pay for, whose opinions, advice and recommendations on optimum mental health you believe warrant serious consideration. #justsaying
Yes, I recommend for you personally, reading the Expanded Dianetics series. Such contains a lot of truth and might, if ever applied for you personally that is, unlock your mind and spirit. #justsaying
Thanks for the recommendation. I had a read through but didn’t find it insightful. What did you take from it?
Whilst you’re here, may I ask what your thoughts are on this article? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/reasoned-discourse-as-a-vital-21st-century-skill/
excellent post Mike, you surmise well. I think S.I. HAYAKAWA nailed Hubbard to a tee in his review of Dianetics back in 1951. Here’s the link and a little hard to follow but with careful reading one can. Here’s what Hayakawa said, I think it applies to Hubbard as well as us members who read or listened to a lot of Hubbard:
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/hayakawa.htm
“I have long felt that there are dangers to the writer as well as to the reader in pulp fiction. It did not occur to me until I read Dianetics to try to analyze the special dangers entailed in the profession of science-fiction writing. The art consists in concealing from the reader, for novelistic purposes, the distinctions between established scientific facts, almost-established scientific hypotheses, scientific conjectures, and imaginative extrapolations far beyond what has even been conjectured. The danger of this technique lies in the fact that, if the writer of science-fiction writes too much of it too fast and too glibly and is not endowed from the beginning with a high degree of semantic self-insight (consciousness of abstracting), he may eventually succeed in concealing the distinction between his facts and his imaginings from himself. In other words, the space-ships and the men of Mars and the atomic disintegrator pistols acquire so vivid a verbal existence that they may begin to have, in the writer’s evaluations, ‘actual’ existence. Like Willy Loman in The Death of a Salesman, he may eventually fall for his own, pitch.”
Hubbard most certainly wanted to smash his name into history for hidden under the name dianetics and scientology is Hubbard’s name as HCOB’s and HCO PL’s which are actually people becoming Ronbots, what would Ron do?
Surely DM must know what Sarge said? If so, DM is a evil son of a bitch. I wish the whales would get the memo what Ron said to Sarge, they would revolt like no other.
“Surely DM must know what Sarge said? If so, DM is a evil son of a bitch.”
If DM didn’t know about the whole e-meter of death incident around the time it happened, I think he probably became aware of it after 2013, the year in which Going Clear (the book) came out. I would guess that once the book came out word got to him as to what is in it. Maybe DM is in disbelief about Sarge’s claims, but I’m guessing he’s been aware of them for at least as long as they’ve been made public.
Regardless, he must be aware of of the information provided by Gene Denk, Hubbard’s personal physician, to the coroner who performed Hubbard’s autopsy. DM should know that Hubbard did not reach anything close to the state of Full OT, let alone the state of Clear.
“I wish the whales would get the memo what Ron said to Sarge, they would revolt like no other.”
They SHOULD revolt like no other, but sadly I don’t think this is the way human psychology works. Denial is a more likely reaction. I wouldn’t be surprised if some whales went on the internet during a moment of crisis, actually saw Sarge’s testimony, and then decided to deny it anyway and continue funding Scientology.
A good reason Jerry Seinfeld never continued with Scientology:
“In some cultural areas, wit and humor are looked upon as a healthy release. However, in the case of orgs, this was not found to be the case. Intentional destruction of the org or fellow staff members was the direct purpose.”
http://suppressiveperson.org/1977/02/05/hcob-jokers-and-degraders/
As Tom Cruise once fantasized, “Imagine a world where there are no SPs?”
Thank Christ that will never be the case. The whole con of Hubbard should be suppressed into the stone age and only be dusted off now and again for a good laugh.
“They don’t apply his ‘tech’ properly. Because if they did, it works every time. It is not that Hubbard claimed things that were patently false, it is merely the inability to duplicate and do what he said…”
This is the reason better Science education is needed. I’ve said it before. I could (and did) fall for a lot of garbage myself, including several forms of pseudo-science. But this particular anti-scientific logic I would have recognized no matter what. It’s one thing to claim to be “spiritual” and “beyond all that.” It’s another to claim to have a scientific technology, claim up front that it works all the time in all cases (an inherently anti-scientific claim), and then attribute failures to something other than an actual experimental variable, with all other variables controlled. If people learned the principles of science in grade school (as I was fortunate enough to do), they could still fall prey to cults, but not to that particular rationalization. IMO.
I hope it’s in the packet of stuff to offer former Scientologists for their re-education as they get out. I’d still like to help with that, if there’s a way to do that.
To: Alcoboy
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: new lineup for Scientology Network.
One of the projects we have going on here at the Scientology Network is a reboot of the old Andy Griffith Show with episodes based on Scientology. Look at these ideas and tell me what you think:
EPISODE ONE- Barney’s O/W writeup
Andy decides to turn Barney away from his bumbling ways by having him write up all his overts and withholds.
EPISODE TWO- Aunt Bee goes OT
Aunt Bee attains Clear and flies to Clearwater to begin her Solo NOTs.
EPISODE THREE- Floyd is an SP
When Floyd the Barber starts invalidating everyone in Mayberry, Andy runs process on him and discovers him to be suppressive.
Get back in comm with me and tell me your opinion.
ML
Dave
To: David Miscavige COB RTC
From: Alcoboy
Re: you and your stupid reboot.
You want my opinion? Well, here it is:
IT’S A PILE OF HORSESHIT!
AND SO ARE YOU!
No love at all
Alcoboy
Ha, ha, ha! Good ones, Alco! Hysterical… Still laughing…
“Aunt B Goes OT!” She wore so many lovely hats in her role.
After solo “Nots….” Because she has a bee in her bonnet, she gets crush regged to go to the Fleecewinds for an “OT Debug” and “OT hatting course.”
She does the Route to Insanity course and cognites: “B – Don’t – Have” any more money!
After her bankruptcy and a mental breakdown, she is labeled PTS, thrown under the bus and shunned by all in Mayberry RFD..
It would later be discovered that our favorite aunt failed because she had major withholds, committing the High Crime of not applying KSW (keeping scientology working)!!!!
Bad Aunt B!
“B’s T’s” had crashing MU’s! Her Debug was swarming with “Out-tick!”
Kicked out of Mayberry, Aunt B had nowhere to go but the funny farm. In the hands of the evil psychs, B is a full blown basket-case.
She tries her hand at weaving some, saying over and over again, “People ‘weave’ because of their overts and withholds…”
Great idea for a plot!
Let’s submit it to Miscavige and see what happens!
Lets do that! Plenty of content right there for a full season.
This old saw comes to mind:
Ron is gone but the con goes on.
Scientology – We put the cult in cult-
ure.
Scientology – We put the Use in Abuse, and the Con in Disconnection.
Scientology……. When your fed up with thinking and looking for other options……
Scientology works. Give it a try. You wont miss your thinking ability.
And he’s got a cigarette in his hand
What’s that shadow around his head? Is that his hair? It doesn’t seem to fit with the 1960’s electric typewriter. He would have been a hippy.
Never mind – I was looking at the picture on a small computer tablet and it looked like a shadow. The dude could have been in a hair band in the 60s or 70s.
I thought Scientologist didn’t use Alcohol Tobacco or any type of stimulants cuz their mind was the most powerful thing and not to be damaged in any form but yet there’s good ol Ron smoking away
Well, he did teach that smoking was a cure for cancer.
I still can’t believe we got so hornswoggled by this crazy criminal. I am embarrassed beyond belief.
But the great thing is, YOU’RE OUT! That shows you really do have Super Powers! Walkin’ away…it’s never been easier.
It’s a death spiral hamster wheel- no disrespect to anyone but I can see where the brainwashing was a constant cycle. ?
The German government for years watched Scientology (maybe still do). They already have seen what a totalitarian organisation can do with your country.
Other than that: everybody wants to rule the world. Tears for Fears already sang about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w
Perfect! And I absolutely adore Tears for Fears
TrevAnon, The German gov’t is STILL a totalitarian organization. People CAN and DO get arrested and sent to prision for “incorrect speech”.
They just didn’t want internal competition.
Hyperbole about the German government is not helpful. They are not a totalitarian regime, although their free speech laws are more limited than ours, which has both good and bad consequences.
Frau Goebbels, what I stated is FACT. An YES, jailing someone because they stated an opinion that the STATE has decided to make illegal IS totalitarian. It is part and parcel to the meaning of the term, TOTALITARIAN
You STUPID sheep!
Every freedom has its limitations.
Apart from the usual limitations to freedom of speech (such as insult and so) and the ban on Holocaust denialism there are not that many limitations. That the Germans ban denialism of the Holocaust I can fully understand, given their past.
Stating that the German government is totalitarian is an insult to Germans. A totalitarian system is WAAAAY different from the system they have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#_Germany
You’re free to state your opinion, but I don’t think it is the right opinion.
Also calling “Frau Global Nomad” “Frau Goebbels” or “stupid sheep” is a personal attack. It doesn’t help “proving” your point.
“Stating that the German government is totalitarian is an insult to Germans.”
Irrelevant blathering TrevAnon.
Throwing people in jail for stating opinions against what the gov’t wants is by definition, a totalitarian gov’t.
People such as yourself who make stupid excuses for such criminal behavior is why incidents such as the Holocaust can happen.
Freedom of speech is being eroded by identity politics, victimhood and the right “not to be offended”. It’s happening in the UK, slowly but surely. That we have “hate speech” laws is absurd in itself, but they are so ridiculously (and obviously) vague they have resulted in people being imprisoned and/or fined (and foreigners deported/banned) for all sorts of nonsense – from making jokes about islam, to a guy who posted a video on youtube of his dog performing a “nazi salute”.
“Frau Goebbels”…. My goodness you can be a downright old asshole. That is rude beyond belief, and I cannot believe a grown ass man thinks it is ok to address other people in this manner.
Your years out of Scientology have definitely not eroded your sense of superiority. Do you must miss calling people wogs?
How can you direct such a terrible insult to the masterful Mr. Wynski?
Shame on you! Don’t you realize that he knows EVERYTHING?
At least, he thinks he does and so there is no arguing with Mr. Wynski.
I hope you are not planning on ever questioning him again.
After all, we desperately need him to protect us all from ever again experiencing the Holocaust.
Right on, Skylar!
Ron’s as corny as Kansas in August
High off the hype selling multiple lies
If you’ll excuse an expression I use
I’ve thrown up all his pie in the sky
There’s actually pie in the sky? Do they have a shuttle to go and pick it up? I’ve never had ‘sky’ pie.
To get this delicacy, you first must eat humble pie in hell served at your iDead Org.
I just puked. I’ll pass.
Clever parody, MJM!
Very good summary of the Scientology movement Mike. It lifts a surreal veil off the subject and reflects the cold hard fact that in the end, no matter how hard you may want it otherwise the evidence of the workability of Scientology as a technology points to the fact it simply doesn’t do what it states it does. Who knows… maybe some of it fits into and satisfies a puzzle someplace else, for whatever that is worth. Hubbard apparently believed his own rants to such a degree his fertile imagination came up with excuse after excuse, but the blame was always others screwing it up as to why it doesn’t work for them, never him. Hubbard only ever believed in, “Team Hubbard!”
If one was to even quote some Scio tech on this, Hubbard failed miserably just on the point of rehab tech. Those “feel good” points auditing occasionally produces are as good as it gets, but his organisationally corrupt policy, never ending research to explain the failures and insatiable money hunger, (let alone his delusions of grander) washed that all down the drain with “the greatest good,” which of course is, was and will always be for, Team Hubbard!
Even when his mortality caught up with him, he still couldn’t be spiritual about it at all. He hid and decayed, while still counting and hiding the money. He was an incredibly dishonest individual and a downright dangerous and lousy officer.
Never have I ever been involved in such a, “stab in the back” organisation as Scientology!
Yep.
With regard to L. Ron Hubbard wanting to take over the world and turn it into a scientology society, I’m not kidding when I say that I am vastly relieved that the cult is dwindling. The thought of a “scientology society” is extremely frightening to me (and, I’m sure, to many others).
IMO, it’s kind like being Jewish in Germany in 1933 and being clever enough to read the writing on the wall.
Yep – Neville Chamberlain said that the Nazis would eventually evolve into a group that was no longer a threat (I assume because he thought there weren’t enough of them). Look what happened there!! Let’s hope that scientology numbers continue to dwindle. Although I have to admit that I don’t think they’ll be taking over the world anytime soon.
As Chris Shelton has pointed out, if you want to know what a scientology-ruled world would be like, just take a look at North Korea.
If the tech is so difficult to apply correctly, that’s a flaw in the tech.
Dont try and argue that with a scientology apologist like Foolproof. They KNOW that is not true because L. Ron Hubbard says that is not true.
He finds your lack of faith….disturbing.
Scientology. Disturbing people since 1950.
Well, somebody had to.
Enough of this! Foolproof, release him!
Foolproof: As you wish.
(choke!)(gasp!)
You have summoned your worst possible nightmare, well, apart from a dictionary and a pair of e-meter cans that is!
I’ll take the dictionary. Go ahead and trash the e-meter.
I wonder why?
Did Dave let FP out to play today? I hadn’t noticed any whining or sniveling.
Perhaps he’s tied up in a co-audit with Alanzo.
MJM —
Laughter! Too funny.
Katherine – I suggest opening the dictionary and clearing the word “humor”! Laughter! Too funny! Brian can help you out with his version of “Study Tech”, I am sure.
FP —
Umm, “word clear” humor? Please, get serious. I discovered the dictionary in second grade, but thanks for your concern.
The only reason you think MJM’s joking comment wasn’t funny is because it was aimed at you. Had a joke been aimed at Brian, Wynski or anyone else (like me) who despises Hubbard, $cientology, and its horrific abuses, you sure would have laughed. So spare me.
I wouldn’t go near “study tech” or anything else $ci-related if you paid me.
And there is a RED TAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My F@#kin Gawd …..whatyagonnado with a big RED TAG on Eff Pee?
Standard hand cream and footplates should do the trick. Either that or R2-45.
Well as I recall I only red-tagged a couple of times in hundreds of sessions. How about you?
So, presumably you got good results from your auditing and represent what scientology can do for an individual?
I presume you mean I should be all sweetness and light and try to show understanding and empathy for the vicious, nasty and venomous comments that are given here? And if I could “be more understanding” and comply with that idea then I would be “acceptable” to those making such comments? Well, don’t worry about that one then.
Don’t know the dude but I am sure even he is more sensible than you!
No I really should post more and then you and your friends can really have at it with the whining and sniveling! How about that?
Haha! Missed this one. Sorry about that. I am being summoned again it seems to get the comments stats up! The comments above seems to be an extra-ordinary meeting of the Misunderstood Word & Ev Purps Fundamentalist Glee Club today (new inaugurated name)! (I thank Richard for part of the addition to the name – sorry Richard!)
So – it seems that Hubbard is now also responsible for you lot going past the word “Remimeo” at the head of all HCOBs and PLs! I really will have to have a word with Ron as to why he wasn’t there personally for you, you know, to turn the page on the pack, put your black horn-rimmed reading glasses on for you, position your demo kit nicely on the table, adjust your chair so that you have the best reading position, open your dictionary for you, make the clay soft and malleable for your gentle hands, wipe and sooth your fevered brows as you er, attempt to study, provide all the technology required to be able to study, even sort out your horrendous prior problems with study etc. etc. Yes, terribly remiss of Hubbard! He should after all be Cause over your studying as well!
On the other hand Hubbard always said “Scientology is to make the able more able”! I suppose “able” must also include the ability to open a dictionary at the right page and then (gasp!) clear a word? Let’s start with “Remimeo” (another gasp!) – now, now, no headaches, fainting, swooning or crying and wailing. They are only words, not engrams, after all! Well, usually anyway. And if it is all too much for you, you can always blow the course room and make critical and gleeful comments on Mike’s blog.
You do know that you are becoming increasingly incoherent…
As the psyciatrist said Mike, FP’s universe is collapsing on him and as that happens his frantic efforts to fight against it will increase until he probably gets carted away to a State “hospital”.
Rather a lame reply Mike. Or is this one of your stock phrases?
Comments stats down Mike? Applying the Emergency Formula? Honestly, you Anti-Scientology Fundamentalists never learn do you?
“Anti-$cientology Fundamentalists”
Is that you, Marty?
Now Mike has comment “stats”?? Oh for f**k’s sake…what’s next?
What’s next? Well, you not grasping a joke as usual.
Now you want to backpedal and pretend you were kidding?
You’ve taken a few shots at Mike, but that particular one was just a joke? Ok, sure.
That’s always struck me as perhaps the greatest inconsistency of Hubbard’s supposed “work” – which didn’t even work for him, to get down to it. The conclusion that follows, is that the “tech” works properly so little of the time, that it effectively might as well be random – which is probably essentially what is going on, placebo affect combined with confirmation bias, and on top of that the coincidental reality that some people are going to experience personal improvements and spiritual growth regardless of what they do (or not).
It also strikes me that it’s almost like a childish magical spell – the idea that if you do exactly the right thing, you get some miraculous result, and if you don’t somehow the steps weren’t right or conditions weren’t. Given Hubbard’s previous involvement with ritual magic in Jack Parson’s Pasadena lodge of Aleister Crowley’s OTO, including the attempt to create a “moonchild,” the similarity may be more than coincidental.
The other thing that strikes me, as someone brought up earlier, is that Scientology seems to dramatize exactly the sort of behavior it claims to cure or oppose, such as with their very “reactive” seeming attacks on former members and critics. It also ends up being much like the rigid, marginally effective mid-century style psychiatry that it attacks (Scientology really hasn’t updated their claims, about a profession that has evolved in the meantime as much more of a research- and results-based modern science than Scientology has); and ends up behaving much like the repressive totalitarian Soviet regime that Hubbard like to single out as a bad example.
No no, he even catered for folk like you! But as the old saying goes, “you can lead a student to his table but you can’t make him look up words if he thinks he knows better!”
I think I’m going to start an online blog called “L. Ron Hubbard Facts,” fashioned after the viral and pop culture phenomenon “Chuck Norris Facts.” The first one will have to be “Hubbard is so omnipotent that Chuck Norris comes to him for advice.”
Kind of like “Chuck Norris makes L Ron Hubbard jokes” (you know…instead of L Ron Hubbard makes Chuck Norris jokes) ?
L.RonHubbard…FACTS… short blog.
“If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking.” ~ Benjamin Franklin
Quite an apt comment for the comments on this blog then! Yes, very good!
Nothing says reactive mind like going after former members ,calling them names,and yelling in their faces. I might not be applying the concept of reactive mind in a Scientology sense,but to me being reactive is a response to something that may be a threat to you. When I watch videos of Scientology minions attacking people in public,I think of nothing less that they are extremely immature people .
Sticks & stones my break my bones, but Scientologists are still idiots.
Wow Dude, you found yourself an absolute!
Whoa. My first absolute! Not sure what to say except…How’s that dwarf boy! You got any absolutes? Well, DO YOU! I didn’t think so. Go out and find some semi-colons.
At this point I think he could use colonics.
Hello OSD. I agree with your sentiments. However, it seems to me that most of them are also victims. Moreover, they are some of the biggest victims this world has ever seen.
I once thought they were all “bad people”. But one thing I have learned from this blog is that most all of them got into this trap because they wanted to do some good in this world and they still do. Tragically, they may still think they are doing good.
I hope the ultimate downfall of this cult will be the result of well meaning victims who finally snap because they finally understand how they have been victims of organized mind control. Once that happens, most anything is possible. The one thing that I hope will come to pass is they will participate (or maybe even lead) in the destruction of this cult. I hope that will be the case because it is the one thing that might give them some satisfaction in their lives and enable them to live the rest of their lives with a degree of dignity and maybe even some happiness. If anyone deserves some happiness, it is people like Mary Kahn who have suffered so much and been victimized in such a cruel way. I really hope that when this cult falls, they Feds are able to seize a big chunk of their money and property and give it all to people like Mary Kahn.
Skyler, we here were all “well meaning victims” and each of us here woke up and LEFT.
What we did, those Still In can do. Not to disparage anyone’s IQ here but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what we all figured out. All we did – ALL we did, was LOOK. That’s all it took. We looked, decided, and, however long the process, got OUT.
So when these Still Ins, for whatever reason, decide to LOOK, then they will have to DECIDE and then they will have to getout too, IF they’re honest, that is. If they’re honest and good people, once they look, there’s no way they’ll stay. They’ll have to leave.
But on the other hand, if they look at what’s right in front of them, then understand, and then STILL decide to stay in, at that point, right there, on that decision point, they become criminals.
I think it might be more difficult for some. They were brainwashed. I have never been involved in this cult and I am thankful for that. I feel sorry for the ones who were born into this awful cult or just some good people who were conned.
I hear you Doris and agree; it IS easier for some to get out than others. That said, quite a number of people on this blog and on Tony O’s were themselves placed in the cult by parents and still, at some point, had their realizations and got out. In my opinion, for whatever its worth to anyone else but it makes sense to me, in my opinion, a good rule of thumb for the likelihood of someone having been brainwashed and then getting out would be the following
1) Are they trained to DO anything outside the cult? Can they earn a living, or do they believe that they could?
2) How much contact have they had with non-cult people, via schooling, work, social activities, i.e., have all the aspects of their lives been cult related and/or with cult people only, or have they been mingling with normal people? For some kids, Scientology IS their entire WORLD, and except in the most superficial ways NEVER associate with anyone not in the cult!
3) And this I believe is the most important: They’re own basic natures. Some people WANT to exist within a heavily structured group. To be MICRO-managed and helicoptered over as regards ALL aspects of their lives. We all need policy channels in which to operate in life, but there are people who need ORDERS all the time, who want and need to be told what to do ALL the time, and people like this are very cult-prone, whether its Scientology or some other cult or very controlling organization or government. People like this, if they leave Scientology, will usually take up with another cult or very controlling intrusive religion,, wherein the religion dominates them utterly. Or they become involved with a person who will helicopter over them and dominate them, which makes them feel loved, emotionally secure and cared for, etc.
These 1-3 factors are just my opinions about the likelihood of someone overcoming having been brainwashed so feel free to add something or disagree or whatever. I haven’t read any books on cults or brainwashing so 1-3 above come only from what I’ve personally observed with the people I’ve known, and I could be missing something.
“People like this, if they leave Scientology, will usually take up with another cult or very controlling intrusive religion, [like Mike Rinder’s blog] wherein the “religion” dominates them utterly. Or they become involved with a person [like Wynski] who will helicopter over them and dominate them, which makes them feel loved, emotionally secure and cared for, etc.”
A bit like you and Mike and this blog then eh Aqua?
OSD….some of those “still in” might want out but are in great FEAR of disconnection from their loved ones Others born in know nothing else, brainwashed to obey without question the tyrant who runs the show…..to fail to obey means they would bring harm to themselves or family. They know nothing else, have had exposure to nothing else & must truly feel the loss of their souls should they leave.
To those who fear leaving for fear of disconnection…my heart aches……those folks who are HERE, they fully FEEL the pain that disconnection has caused them. Separation from their parents, siblings, adult child, grand child….disconnected for YEARS, so many posts are FULL of the unseen tears but their pain comes across in what they’ve posted on Mike’s blog. We know what goes on despite denials….the folks hear wake up looking at photographs of their family members they may never see again…..those tears fill buckets, so many broken hearts……compassion is important….not everyone really WANTS to be “in”…..
Balletlady, a number of people on this blog loved their loved ones and feared disconnection from their loved ones more than anything but still did what they knew was right in spite of this overwhelming fear of loss. These people had guts. Some people have guts and some don’t. As for the disconnected loved ones, they too, either have guts or they don’t. And if they have guts, one day, they’ll look and leave.
And by the way, I don’t really know if I have guts. Because the cult had no leverage over me with loved ones. I had no loved ones in the cult. And my income FOR SURE did not depend upon anyone in the cult. So leaving for me was not a test of guts. Would I have had the guts to leave if I had had a spouse, sibling, parent, or child in there? If my livelihood had been at risk?
Truthfully, I don’t know. I can’t say. I was not put to that test. I did not have to walk in those shoes.
But a number of people on this blog DID pass this “to thine own self be true”, utterly wrenching integrity test.
Understandable Aqua…..FEAR is one of the greatest motivators to keep one loyal to the cause……blind fear of the unknown & the where will I go, how will l feed myself/family….limited education, no real work experience & like those who blew the total rejection they’d get from their families & friends….those they’ve known their entire lives. Some people aren’t strong enough to deal with that.
Through Social Services, I assisted a girl who escape FLDS…..she could not adjust to the outside world, missing her mother & siblings, the “daily grind” was normal to her, having no freedom was also normal to her. She felt comfortable being controlled & basically knowing what was EXPECTED of her……she returned to “the fold” & that was the end of that. The info I got “under cover” was that once she returned she was under lock & key, even going to the bathroom she was accompanied by someone to make sure she didn’t run off again.
Sheltered “under the thumb & control of the powers that be”…..it does take tremendous guts to get the Hell OUT & try one’s best to make it on the outside in a really scary world. Brainwashed to believe they’d lose their immortal soul in this truly evil world of perversion (they don’t see the perversion on the inside).
To never ins, we’ve had many struggles as well, but those inside have been fed such a line of Bullshit they’ve no idea what we living in the outside world deal with on a daily basis…..to those “still ins”…..it’s become comfortable & normal (if you will) to remain where they are.
To thine own self be true….for you Aqua you had the inner strength to leave & make a life for yourself on the outside….Kudos for that.
Thank you, Balletlady. But full disclosure: From the age of 21 I supported myself. I had a profession. Before that, with my family I had also lived for 2 years in a 3rd world country – a tremendous, eye-opening experience that changed my world view forever. Then, with some inherited money I took off to Europe and stayed there for a while, traveling around (which was not at all a practical thing to do but whatever, long story)…I met people, different kinds of people…got engaged a few times, 2 of them died, …anyway, the point is that by the time I got into Scientology I had a range of experiences, I had a decent way to support myself, and last but not least, I had as my legacy the upbringing from my parents, each of whom had traveled way more than I ever did, each of whom shaped my life by their interest, their curiosity, their openness to life and its diversity and its possibilties…they each had this mental operating state, and though I lost them very early I was extremely lucky to have had them as my parents because they taught me that it was OK to question, to try, to reach out, etc., even if you failed sometimes…I could go on 🙂 Point being, I was not steeped in cult lore from infancy. The choice to become a Scientologist was wholly mine and formulated against the background of former experiences that had nothing to do with Scientology or anyone in it. This made my decision to leave easier, I believe, than what others in had to face.
I know. And I do feel for them. Unfortunately, I’m sit-comic. I just can’t help myself!
Still friends & I still love you OSD….no issue with me & YES, your response have me giggling many times friend!
Hey Dude, now that Huntington Beach has given the finger to being a sanctuary city we can go ahead and schedule the Par-Tea!
Yes we can!
That’s kind of sad, actually. I’m glad I live in a sanctuary city.
Zardu,
Are you related to Zardoz?
And, yes, you are properly attributing ‘reactive mind’ to scientology hardcore adherents. let’s see if i remember it correctly………
First the implanter grabs you:: come in for a free test, we want to ask you some questions, what’s your ruin, how much do you have in the bank……..
Next we are gonna hook you up to this transformer station, or an emeter, and ask a repetitive question while frying your brain, in synch with the question
Next we’s gonna put you in central files to shove the papers in and out of folders for 100,000 years,
And, finally, we’s gonna hit you with commands (Policies) until the words are as solid in you mind as if they were etched on titanium discs, you will be tested.
I thinks that about covers it……….. prove me wrong!!
Arslycus – oh the good old days!
Nah,my name is a reference to David Hasselhof in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2. The character Gamora mispronounces his name as Zardu Hasslefrau.
Cool Sean Connery movie though.
El Tubbolard’s ardent follows (a few clinging onto this blog for some reason) would have their entire world come crashing down if they admitted that He was wrong about almost everything, ESPECIALLY the whole O.T. crapola. Some might even commit suicide because on their insane circular logic they engage upon in arguments here.
As Francis Crick once said, “The dangerous man is the one with only one theory, because he’ll fight to the death for it.”
Well put MJM
back in the 70’s you’d have to duck and weave to avoid the Hare Krishnas and Moonies in the airports, asking for money, handing out tracts or flowers. Orange robes, shaved heads, shaking bells….
They were obviously a cult and any idea that I would join them was laughable. I was a Scientologist and had all the answers. I wouldn’t fall for Christianity either – there was no god, I found that out really young as I lay in bed and begged God for a sign so that I could believe. No sign, no answer, no belief, moving on…..
I was too smart to fall for BS. I wanted no belief, I needed science, I needed proof. Scientology gave me that. (so it seemed)
………
Every day I’m freshly amazed at how thoroughly IN I was, how thoroughly brainwashed, and how it was all just another cult. I’m getting more and more educated on the ways of mind control. It’s fascinating ..and awful.
Lately I’ve been thinking of the Moonies and the Krishnas, and my how I used to shake my head and feel sorry for them.
Hubbard created an amazing web of nonsense and I got trapped.
It’s so good to read this blog, Tony’s, watch the Vids from Aaron and Chris and others. Today’s article is spot-on.
The other day I tried to “mock up” and “take on the viewpoint” of how I was until it all shattered – it was so uncomfortable – I feel like a totally different person. Since it all happened I haven’t known who or what or I was, only that I was no longer “THAT”. Distance and time is helping. I’m way too gun shy to come up with anything I’d claim as identity, but the “not being that” continues to ease the rocky path of losing everything one thought was existence.
I’m Rip Van Winkle. I’ll take it, it’s better than the drone life of yesterday.
Absolutely love this post.
I can believe he was not from this planet. Especially if he was from the planet Upper Uranus?
Seems like the perfect home for that Quacker.
P.S. Hey Mike. Can you give us any idea what Season 3 might be about? Will it be about the Jehovas Witless for certain?
P.P.S. I have trademarked the name “Jehovas Witless” and anyone who wants to use that name needs to send Mike one dollar to support this blog.
I hope they touch on FLDS as well…..they are controlling nuts too
Watch the documentary on A&E about FDLS criminal pervert leader of the cult – Warren Jeffs.
Also – I highly recommend watching Netflix – “Wild Wild West” about the cult leader Bagwahn.
There are so many similarities to Scientology it is creepy. The leaders of cults all go crazy eventually…so we got that going for us. David Miscavige has already gone nuts – now when will he get locked up is the big question???
Any OT’s want to take a stab at that?
Warren Jeffs is said to still be in control of FLDS. He has stated from his prison cell to his male underlings that “there will be no more marriages”…..of course NOT….he doesn’t want all those pretty 12 years olds to be married to OTHER men, he wants them for himself. Warren Jeffs had over 70 “wives”…concubines if you will since one can only legally be married to ONE person. Jeffs sexually assaulted a 12 year old Bride on an “alter” in front of witnesses during the “consummation of that marriage”….that rape it was recorded. The “wedding photo” of him holding that CHILD in his arms was sickening. He is a pedophile rapist….. as are many of the older men who marry young women “given to them” by Warren Jeffs for their loyalty to him.
Just as sad are the so called “lost boys” the sons born into that FLDS Jeffs cult….the boys who once they become older teens are a THREAT to the older men as competition for the young girls as Brides, so these young boys are driven off without money, food & only the clothing on their back & forcefully prevented from returning to home or their family. Those young teens turn to prostitution to survive….NOTHING is done about that.
The young women & children removed from the compound by the “authorities” ALL went back to the ONLY life they’ve ever known…like that famous TV Family…basically brainwashed & taught to obey without question the Patriarch Authoritarian MALE Head of Household….they are to be “joyful & submissive at all times”….for the branch of FLDS that would .include these young girls entering marriage on the order of the Prophet Warren Jeffs to a husband of his choosing for them..
All along Hubbard assigned the ‘no results’ to someone or something else; either the Government was out to get him for his brilliant discoveries or the staff did not apply it precisely.
He individuated himself from any other developments, support, assistance, organizations and never accepted any offer to improve his findings.
I think there is a difference between ‘a belief’ and a ‘purpose’.
Lets find some examples at random: Lets say Bezos has had all along the purpose to provide service to the customer and that has taken him to expand one of the biggest companies. He does associate with other sellers, managers, administrators and so on. He is not individuated. He has had a clear purpose.
Hubbard only stayed with a ‘belief’, never accepted anything else that did not match it and in fact attacked any one who dare to contest it. His cult is now dying, people has been harmed and in fact criminal acts have been committed because of this belief.
So, the difference is purpose vs a belief, isn’t it?
Clear the planet is as doable as move Mt. Everest.
I’ve had many tough ‘movements’ in my time.
I hear that loud and clear!!!
Aging…But, fighting it, damnit!
Prunes can help with that!
“They alone have an amazing ability to just know when his words don’t mean what they say ”
Denial and.Apologism. Superpowers?
Excellent. Ty.
If as he says he, “came from another planet” then why did he describe the litany of past lives that he lived here on Earth: Socrates, Buddha, John the Baptist, Robespierre, Cecil Rhodes….seems to me he stuck around planet Earth well enough….btw anyone see any common character similarities in all those lives mentioned?
Because His saw cuts both ways!
Yo Dave,
I’d say yer teeth are set to cut only one way and it’s comin good buddy …………. get ready to bite down HARD!
Don’t break your teeth doing so!
Thyrsus – No common character similarities in all those lives mentioned.
There is, however, a striking resemblance to Humpty Dumpty.
Mike, yes it takes very little “proof” to show that Hubbards main goal was to to save the world and that would be done by:
Clearing the planet.
Clearing the planet,
Clearing the planet,
Clearing the planet,
Clearing the planet………
That means the leaders of the world are clear and/or the majority of the population are clear.
Hallelujah! Scientology policy and HCOBs are used to run the world.
Any scientologist who refutes Hubbards intention is a bad liar or stupid beyond belief. Usually both.
If we count the number of Scientology promo pieces stating “clear the planet” it would be in the millions.
Billions of promo pieces about salvation, salvation, salvation through Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, Buddha etc. etc. etc.
It is a very clever trap and I fell for it too big time.
The tech always works.Unless you are SP.
Oh wait ,it works who do you think I am,an SP?
And besides,after you paid so much money are you going to admit that you have paid $300.000 for getting approximately the same result as you would get from a combination of a Dale Carnegie courses,listening to a bunch of Amway presentations,going to a some of Tony Robbins programs and reading Think and grow rich?All of this served with a Mormon type sauce to put it into galactic perspective?
For about $300?Of course the $300.000 cost is so much better than the $300 cost!
Eternal power on the whole track is cheap for that price.
Xenu’s son,
Eternal power is yours for around $3. Get your Eveready battery at any store. Oh, the bunny will cost extra, ….body’s always cost more.
I’d really like to try some of that Mormon sauce!
Having been a Mormon for over thirty years, I can tell you that it’s delicious!
Damn! Say, can I dress up in white short sleeve shirts with a dark tie and black pants and just go and get my sauce? Or, I’m I too old to pull it off?
Not at all! We’ll just designate you as a senior missionary.
That’s so bitchin’.
“the tech always works unless you are an SP”. I consider this little gem along with Hubbard concealing the truth about “why people leave” (Overts & withholds vs. ARC breaks) sufficient evidence to give reasonable people pause before signing up for a Scientology course. As in Ever. The betrayal by Hubbard written into the DNA of the bitch is beyond forgivable. Broken straws that were once unbroken.
Yes, Gus. The overt/withold mind control brainwashing was one of L Con’s most specious of lies — pulled right out of his ass along with the rest of the “tek.”
Overts and withholds and service facsimilies
Caught in the web of Ron’s bridge to stupidity
Bowing to Davy like puppets on string
These are a few of my least favorite things
MJM,
That was delicious!
I asked an EO once, “If, back in the ante bell-um South, a slave escaped from a plantation, would his strong desire to leave be entirely due to his overts and witholds against his master?
Answer: blank stare.
Pressing my advantage somewhat I then asked this EO, who was Jewish, “If during World War II some Jews plotted to escape from a Nazi Concentration Camp, would they only be wanting to leave because of their overts and witholds?”
Answer: see above.
For those never in: I beg your pardon. “EO”, short for “ethics officer”.
It’s hard to be a robot and think at the same time, hence the blank stare. Your exodus from the cult was inevitable based on the questions you asked.
Thank you, MJM.
As per usual, the uninformed thinking they know best – see HCOB 31 December 1959 BLOW OFFS, which contains the exact principle that you stated. To wit:
“One can treat people so well that they grow ashamed of themselves, knowing
they don’t deserve it, that a blow-off is precipitated, and certainly one can treat
people so badly that they have no choice but to leave, but these are extreme
conditions and in between these we have the majority of departures”
Doug, I suggest you read HCOB 4 APRIL 1965 ARC Breaks and Missed Withholds to wit: “ARC breaks occur most frequently on people with missed withholds.” and “ARC breaks don’t cause blows. Missed withholds do.” Follow that up with HCOB 3 MAY 1962 ARC BREAKS MISSED WITHHOLDS which states in capitals: ALL ARC BREAKS STEM FROM MISSED WITHHOLDS”. I and most other auditors have seen this principle in action and that is true, not some hearsay conversation at 3AM.
Foolproof, it’s not surprising you think you’ve seen it work – you’re a true believer.
Other true believers are equally sure they’ve seen statues of Jesus bleed, have been cured by touching the feet of a statue of the Black Madonna, or have received the supposed benefits of traditional Chinese medicine remedies like bear galls and ground rhino horn. None of it is provable, and all of it is almost certainly false – and would prove to be false, if properly researched.
Hubbard’s “work” and Scientology, unfortunately, actually indoctrinate people in and reinforce erroneous and exploitable habits of thought – similar to the sort of “implants” that are supposed to be a bad thing, and even an artifact of brainwashing – such as confusion of cause and effect, and of causation and correlation:
“Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one’s preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
“Magical thinking is a term used in anthropology and psychology, denoting the fallacious attribution of causal relationships between actions and events”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking
Yes it must be awful for you and others like you when a fallacious proposition is exposed for the nonsense that it is. Still, I am sure there are many other fallacious principles about “Scientology” that can be invented in a burst of “magical thinking”. So even “seeing something work” now is simply dismissed as (your) fantasy by a bombardment of nonsense saying it can’t be true by comparing with outlandish scenarios in the vague hope that people will believe it. Well, some will I suppose. Amazing the twisted logic being applied here.
FP, I did not say that something seemingly observed can’t be true, only that the impressions of superficial observation do not prove it, and may in fact be entirely mistaken – the point is that that there is a long history, including in science itself, of individuals and groups being thoroughly convinced that they had observed some cause and effect, not only of things that now seem patently ridiculous, but also of more plausible ones that have proven entirely wrong.
A early 20th century precedent, and in many ways a parallel, to Dianetics and Scientology, was Freudian psychoanalysis. Its practitioners – in their day, more numerous and much better educated and trained – were quite sure that the “insights” that their patients were having from delving into early life traumas, were producing meaningful change, and that their patients were getting better because of it. While their own preliminary research seemed to support their observations (if not even beliefs), more detailed follow-up studies showed that “insights” while impressive seeming, were illusory and did not actually lead to measurable or meaningful change; and that patients improved at a rate no different than what they would have on their own and without analysis, since it turns out that mild psychological problems often resolve on their own over time, and people experience psychological growth and maturation as a matter of course.
The “psychs” actually did the science, admitted their mis-perceptions and mistakes, and moved on to more provable and evidence-based approaches to counseling and talk therapy, that could be verified through thorough research. We’re still waiting for Scientology and its diehards to get a clue….
There was a recent study (nothing to do with Scientology) made that Freud simply made up his patient’s experiences and the man was a complete fraud. If you are really comparing Dianetics and Scientology to psychoanalyis then you will be waiting for a long time because you have looked in the wrong place.
He also said “absolutes are unobtainable,” ergo there are no “alls” or “onlys”. Per LRH, nothing is black or white – just varying shades of grey.
It’s a shame you choose not to apply LRH logic, especially to LRH himself.
“A FACT is something that can be proven to exist by visible evidence. An OPINION is something which may or may not be based on any facts. Yet a sloppy mind sees no difference between a fact and somebody’s opinion.” – LRH, HCO PL 26 April 1970R, The Anatomy of Thought.
In your haste to invalidate, you obviously cannot read, therefore re-read my last sentence wherein I stated I had observed physical evidence of this and stop blustering and spouting nonsense.
May I politely suggest you have an M/U on the word “proven”. Just because you have “observed” something does not automatically make it “true”. Proof must be established before one can even begin to consider it a “fact”. Please, I beg you. Learn the subject of logic and how to engage in reasoned discourse. Whilst you’re at it, google “cognitive biases” and learn about the scientific method and why researchers use controls. #clearyourwords
mwestern, the problem is scamologists cannot understand that the plural of anecdotes is not scientific data.
That 10,000 people saw a woman float when a guy in a top hat said some secret words is not logically or scientifically significant.
I could say exactly the same thing about your propositions above. Coupled with the fact that seemingly you don’t have any great experience with auditing or seeing people obtain results from Scientology.