True to form, BEFORE the show even aired, scientology had their smears up about Chantal Dodson and Sherry Ollins.
These people literally have no shame.
Nor sense. But they seem to have a limitless supply of bullshit.
They begin with a clever Halloween theme: “Just in time for Halloween, Leah Remini and A&E continue their religious witch hunt.” That is an award-winner.
They opt for broad generalities, Chantal “ranks among the most ludicrous and transparently false yet. To say they never happened is a gross understatement. Chantal’s absurd claims fit the modus operandi for Remini and A&E that has become so familiar.” Of course, no specifics — because they wrote this without having even SEEN the show! They then roll into how the show has resulted in “more than 500 threats against the Church, including death threats.” They have been using this number for months, and when they first trotted out this absurdity they were taken to task by the media because they have absolutely nothing to back it up. But even that aside, one would conclude that if the FIRST show caused these 500 threats then there would be another 500 for the next show and they would be nearing 5,000 by now? Or was the only show that generated any threats just the first one about abuse of children and the rest have gone unnoticed? Come on OSA, you are not even trying.
They trot out their old bleat: “All come from sources that Remini boasts are “unvetted,” a self-admitted lack of integrity that A&E’s attorneys are more than happy to let her get away with.” They have modified this statement, I guess the A&E attorneys got upset with scientology saying nobody was “vetting” the show when there is an army of lawyers doing so. But hey, scientology, if all of this stuff is maliciously and deliberately false — where are the lawsuits? You employ numerous lawyers to send cut and paste letters. Why are you not suing?
The absurdity of their rants is then highlighted by this “After Dodson left the Sea Org more than three decades ago, she returned in 1989 and actively worked to be accepted. She stayed for another four years, which raises the critical question neither Dodson nor Remini want to answer: if conditions were so bad the first time around, why was she so eager to rejoin? It’s a question A&E refuses to address because it would undermine Dodson’s tale and make her useless as the prop Remini needs to cue her to cry on camera.” Well, gosh guys, if you had watched the program you would know this WAS answered. Chantal felt lost in the “wog” world after being raised in the SO and while still a teenager she returned to the only thing she knew. She had married a guy who wanted to join the SO and she badly wanted children. Oh yeah, you totally undermined her credibility… This makes clear what fools they really are.
They then go on to explain what a wonderful life Chantal had in the SO: “she never lacked for anything.” Anyone who has watched this show knows what a bald-faced lie this is! And they try to gild that turd with this: “Chantal Dodson and other children of Sea Org members played together and were also given the opportunity to contribute. They operated their own organization, the Cadet Organization, that was always under adult supervision.” And: “Dodson’s cousin, Michael Graves, also recalled the pleasant childhood Chantal and her sister Natalie had. He said the sisters were always happy when they lived in Clearwater in the late 1970s, which he described as “like paradise.” Hahaha — everyone knows the truth about children in the SO now. Graves then claims “Chantal’s tales” are “a delusion fed by Leah Remini for her TV show.” Of course, Graves has not seen the show! And knows NOTHING about life as a child in the Sea Org. But hell, he is an expert on this because he is her cousin? Where is the scientology official appearing on the show to respond?
Their “big attack” is that Chantal went to a local public high school in LA and there were people there who took drugs! It doesn’t say SHE took drugs — just that she went to a public school where people took drugs. And then they tack on that she “was unable to adhere to the high ethical standards” — the tired line they use when anyone escapes the Sea Org.
And finally, to prove that everything that happened in scientology is “a lie” they go low — claiming Chantal had an “affair”with a man she then married. And that “she smokes marijuana” (OMG, call the FBI) which somehow is intended to be evidence that she is a liar?? I think the people that are high are the ones that write this stuff. Surely even they cannot think this is effective.
And that is IT. The best they have to prove that everything Chantal Dodson said was lies…
Then they turn to Sherry and it’s every bit as feeble.
Their first evidence that everything Sherry says — that they have not seen — is untrue is this: “Ollins was a guest on Remini’s previous show, It’s All Relative, and never once mentioned any complaints she is now alleging. In other words, she’s now making it up and embellishing her past for Remini’s cameras.”
This is as logical as saying because Gwyneth Paltrow didn’t talk about Harvey Weinstein molesting her when she appeared in Shakespeare in Love she is just making it up and embellishing it now. And there are more people who have provided first hand testimony about the abuses of scientology, especially towards children, than there are who have provided testimony against Harvey Weinstein. As a result, he is now toast. So too should be the fate of scientology.
Strangely, then they recount Sherry’s history: “Ollins’ parents signed the consent forms allowing her to join the Sea Org in 1982 [not mentioning she was 11 years old]. At that time children could join but only if they continued attending school as required by state law. Today, anyone under 18 wanting to join the Sea org must be at least 16, have written parental permission, and possess a high school diploma or a GED.” Wow, way to go proving that everything she says is made up! They confirmed what she said — except for the schooling. Sea Org children were NOT properly schooled. But hey scientology, if everything was so great, why did you change the rules?
And then they haul out some old “roommate” “Bonnie” from Clearwater who claims “the girls had a lot of fun, living in a spacious room with other girls. They lived a drug-free lifestyle that included going to school every day, having weekends off and going to the mall or to the movies on Friday. She said they did minor clerical work…” Riiight…
By 1985, Ollins decided she no longer wanted to remain in the Sea Org and has had no contact with the Church in the 32 years since. Yeah, pretty much got that right too. And this proves what?
They finally get down to the real meaty stuff, telling a story about how Sherry’s stepfather’s daughter took the psych drug Zoloft. He was the scientologist. She’s not Sherry’s daughter.
And their parting shot? “Leah Remini has always defended Sherry Ollins and her treatment of her family which has resulted in misery, just like Remini’s miserable friends and relatives.”
Nobody who watches this program or has had any contact with scientology needs to be reminded just who it is that causes misery to friends and relatives. Scientology’s toxic disconnection policy has caused the destruction of numerous families around the world.
And that is all they had to offer up to smear Chantal and Sherry. That is what they call in the industry “weak sauce.”
Scientology should at least wait until the episode airs. If ever anyone needed proof that scientology has NO interest in EVER responding to the facts that are presented in the show, it is this. They can’t be bothered to even pretend they care about what is said — their modus operandi is to attempt to smear the victims of their abuse. This is incontrovertible evidence of that fact.
For those who are not familiar with scientology’s policies, here are a few earlier blog posts that will help you understand the mindset scientologists have about those who criticize any part of it:
Dealing with Critics of Scientology — The L. Ron Hubbard Playbook
And then read this one:
And here is a fairly short explanation of how disconnection is used in scientology (and how they try to spin the practice):
Disconnection: the PR and the Truth
An overview of the efforts by scientology to smear Leah Remini:
Scientology Dead Agents* Itself
And finally this is a post about the lies they tell about their “expansion”:
In the last episode of season 1 chantal I think was her name recieved a text from her Mom she sent a text to both friends saying hi sweet girls look at the text I got from my mom this morning! Then it said to be continued but I never did see what that was? Did I miss it? Does anyone know? Thank you Leah & Mike for your show & Leah I am a huge fan of ur work & u as a person! You go girl! Mike, my daughter & I love your style.
I came here looking for the same thing – the next text.
My roommate and I are trying to find out as well. I assume something about possible disconnection but was trying to find out.
Wow. NPD much, David Miscavige? Every word you said, OSA, lost any trace of truth, validity, or merit as SOON as you called Leah’s friends and family miserable. Are you letting the children you pay 40 cents an hour, doing HARD labor, write these retorts????
“Nanny nanny boo boo! Stick your head in doo doo!!” Coming next????
I think what you and Leah are doing is a very brave and courageous movement! I can’t wait to see this cult taken down! Keep up the great work…
Hi, Tammy !
You said, “I can’t wait to see this cult taken down!”
END QUOTE :
I agree that Scientology must be eliminated from the face of the Earth . . .
However, I don’t think that the word “cult” accurately describes Scientology.
In my opinion, Scientology is a “pyramid scheme”, hidiing behind the facade of being a “church”, operating as a “Quasi-Cult” ( no alternative “deity” or “worship services” ), which employs many of the “brainwashing” techniques used by the former USSR to forcibly spread Communism ( I suggest that you read LRH’s “Brainwashing Manual” – 50 pages long and definitely a “scary read” ! ) to establish and maintain “control” ( literally ) of all of its Members.
LRH’s Brainwashing Manual also opened my eyes, as to how the USA has been, and currently is, being dragged towards Socialism, Marxism, and, ultimately Communism. I’ll leave “Politics” (sorry) out of this discussion, but History is proving my observations from that manual to be correct. Remember that Kruschev said that the “USSR would take the United States, without firing a shot” . . . I believe that has been underway, for many decades !
Links :
http://www.freewebs.com/slyandtalledgy/Brainwashing%20Manual%20Parallels.pdf
http://www.apfn.org/pdf/The_Brainwashing_Manual.pdf
Everyone please share those links . . . They are “eye-opening”.
The fact that someone would return to the Sea Org doesn’t mean that they liked it, it just means that they were so conditioned that they knew nothing else. That’s what a cult does to a person. This show has been so amazing at really bringing to light what Scientology really does to people but the sad fact is Scientology isn’t the only crazy cult out there. I wish Shantal and Sherry nothing but great things. And I hope Mike and Leah get the right people’s attention in order to stop this abuse.
Exactly, how many times do abused women return to their abusers before they finally leave for good!
Looks like David Miscavige’s side kick Marty Rathbun, has stopped commenting on & making excuses for the crimes shown in the Aftermath Series.
Very interesting!
My heart breaks for all who have been and are still in this cult that RLH concocted in his on devious mind. I want to thank Mike, Leah, and all the participants who are sharing their stories publicly to denounce the evil that is being perpetrated on innocent people looking for direction in the life. A Huge Thank You to each of you.
I’ve been praying that people would turn to the Word of God (The Bible) for their direction in life. It has everything one needs to know to lead them in a successful and LOVING life here on this planet. This book of instruction has been around for 2000 years and brings one in direct contact with the creator of this planet and us. Christ is the only way to save anything (the planet, your soul, eternity)! The Holy Spirit, “Spirit of Truth” is ones personal internet connection to a Holy, Powerful God who won’t let them down and will LOVE them beyond measure.
I haven’t watched anything Tom Cruise has been for years and each celebrity I hear that is involved with Scientology I stop watching their programs as well. It truly surprises me about some that are in this and support such a disconnection with family and children. The stories I have heard about the abuse of these children is deplorable and has to be stopped – I can’t believe our society has allowed this to go on for so long. Everyone needs to rise up and protect them! We all know that David M and his cohorts are nothing but LIARS, there can’t be this many people hurt by Scientology and anyone believe DM’s lies.
Thank you again to all of you, especially Leah & Mike for stepping out the way you have and are helping your fellow scientologist who have been through what you know is happening to them!
Maggie C
Does anyone even bother to read anything that Scientology has to say anyway? I can’t imagine that anyone who is familiar with their “responses” would even care what they have to say about an episode of “Aftermath” or anything else, as they ALWAYS say the same, generalized things, and of course they wouldn’t dare actually address any of the allegations against them. That’s what has gotten so ridiculous with David Miscavige and the “church”, their total lack of direct answers about anything that is said about Scientology that apparently bothers them. They simply spout their normal, attempted “bashing” of the people accusing them of some horrible atrocity the “church” has committed, instead of even mentioning the atrocity. Could they make themselves look any guiltier of greed, abuse, and deception?
I myself just cannot listen or read to the “church’s” bullshit anymore. Do they think the real world cares whether someone smokes weed or not, or that smoking weed would actually discredit anyone? They could say that someone who appears on the show is currently a heroin addict and that wouldn’t discredit them or make the abuse they have endured at the hands of Scientology any less true or relevant, in fact it only justifies their drug use and self-medication! “They’re bitter apostates, they used drugs, they had an affair, they are sexually promiscuous, their were arrested, they are being paid money for telling their story (AS IF SCIENTOLOGY HAS THE RIGHT TO EVEN MENTION THE FACT THAT ANYONE HAS EVER BEEN PAID FOR ANYTHING), they left Scientology and then tried to come back, etc.” Okay, and? What’s your point Scientology? Can you please just talk directly about what these people have said happens within your “church” and your “religion”?
Until David Miscavige stops being a paranoid, schizophrenic pussy hiding behind Monique Yingling and the rest of his lying, brainless marionettes, and actually comes out and directly addresses the physical, psychological, and sexual abuse, the forced disconnections, the forced abortions, the treatment of children, the numerous suspicious deaths and disappearances, the lies of L. Ron Hubbard about his life and the actual genesis of Scientology, and about his own hostile takeover of the “church”, then he and Scientology as a whole need to realize that no one is listening to them mouth the same old, tired attempts to discredit people, and as far as the rest of the world is concerned the only people worth listening to or believing are the courageous ex-members coming forward to tell the truth of Scientology.
Thanks for this episode. Another chapter to shed light on what went on. So glad I left when I did. The contributors are very brave to tell their stories.
This one really hit me hard. I could only imagine allowing my seven-year-old daughter to walk alone through a rough part of town (or ANY part of town) or booting my 13-year-old out on the street. Once you hand over the responsibility of raising your child to someone else, I guess it becomes easier and easier to justify. Hey, you don’t have to worry about them anymore, don’t have to feed or clothe them or worry about their education or their future. Well, we heard from Leah what happens when parents do come to realize just what they did to their children.
Just like Chantal, the insidious Scientology idea that “I am responsible for anything and everything that happens to me” was ingrained into my psyche and has caused a lot of introversion and emotional distress for me over the years; 1987-1999 in the cult and over all those years since, to 2016, when something happened that I had absolutely no control over. With that, I finally researched and analyzed and evaluated the last vestiges of this idea and just how false and wrong it truly is. The contrived platitudes of “everything happens for a reason” and “think it so” and other such woo-woo just don’t fly with me anymore. My conclusion: shit happens.
Another extremely well done episode.
Mike, Chantal said you were her supervisor and she was in CMO. Were you head of CMO before going to OSA? Were you a hard-ass supervisor or a more benevolent sort?
This is not in response to the comment above.
I wanted to say that the condition of the nurseries these kids were raised in is being downplayed. I believe if anyone saw or heard the actual conditions, it would be too unreal. The Washington DC nursery that Sherry spent her childhood in was particularly disgusting with old food on the floor, a strong smell of urine always. There were way too many kids for the amount of nannies (legal violation) and the children basically spent their days in a attic like space with no place to play outside and no actual activities.
The nursery/school in LA was similar with more children, less supervisors and more dirt.
The ranch in Los Angeles was perhaps slightly better but the amount of supervision available for the children who were separated from their parents for weeks at a time was wholly inadequate and the young SO members were basically raising each other.
I am going into detail here in case anyone thinks these stories are exaggerated. They are not.
Oh my…
I never realised to such a degree I could have a switch in me which can be so emotionless, so dangerous, so incredibly ruthless and capable of swift action when a true enemy is exposed. In watching that episode I truly began to feel like a coiled snake ready to strike. This episode stunned me with such a response I am just so absolutely past justifying anything about Scientology, its founder’s policy and its operation as an organisation. That it could inflict that level of cruelty on people, and those people they are doing it to, are for the most part children. It is a vampire of extreme vindictiveness they feeds off the innocence of life, such a sickening play. I do not believe for a moment Hubbard didn’t know this type of nightmare was festering in the ranks of his organisation below him. The SO and mindset they enforce upon all people under their influence is a true enemy of all life. A truly unthinking, unobservant but intentional evil – yet they specialise in hiding it from so many of their followers. No wonder many cannot confront the evil they have committed upon their own families and friends.
I don’t know what else to say, except Leah, Mike and the team of sincere people they have gotten together to bring light upon the darkness of the Scientology organisation stands as one of the bravest acts I have ever witnessed. It has brought to view in clear focus my own life and that of the people I love and care about. So much emotional carnage has been created by being associated with the Church of Scientology and then swept under the carpet by Scientologists themselves! But with such exposure it also brings the opportunity for the greatest relief that only love, the sense of family and honesty can heal.
Let’s be done with the Cof$ and it’s insanity.
Hi Mike:
I liken my fear of Scientology to a cancer cell that hides behind bone during chemotherapy, mutates and then reappears years later in a different form. I’m so afraid that, if Scientology combusts at some point, they will disappear for a while and reappear as a “kinder and gentler Scientology” years from now (but that they will still be the same destructive cult they always were, perhaps, if possible, even sneakier than they already are). Maybe I’m just being paranoid, but this scares me deeply.
I hope you and Leah keep at them as much as possible!
Great episode. Thanks for sticking up for the children, Mike.
This will be easy-peasy for me because think he’s a bad actor anyway. I’ve never really cared for him or his work. Overrated to say the least. “A Few Good Men” was good but that was because of Jack 🙂 Now, there’s an actor.
The above was my response to Amy’s comment below but ended up here for some reason.
The show has certainly proven its point .
I am very grateful for Leah remini !!!
Everyone now knows the truth .
How does anybody get caught up in the churches brainwash and depleting lifestyle .
The church will come to an end sooner than people think .
I love the show ,,
100% believer
It seems that “people” who have no proof really have nothing of substance to say.
The fact that DM will not sit down one on one to laud his wonderful church? SPEAKS VOLUMES!
Loved every minute of last nights episode. I honestly enjoy Leah’s F?’s it shows so much compasion. Baffled by the cults boldness in denying anyones personal experience in this mess especially as a child. The craziest thing to me is that soo many people are watching and reporting on the behaviors and actions of every member so THEY KNOW GOOD AND WELL THE ACCOUNTS ARE ALL TRUE…anything to protect a “church” that has yet to show any GOOD for any of mankind. church=testimonials cult=discredited horrific accounts……let’s all say it together… SACROSANCT
love the show! Its about time people know the truth about these cults!keep up the good work and never let anyone bully,harrass,or try a suppress the truth from coming out,because its true what they say “the truth will set us free”! As parents,step-parents,grandparents and foster care parents my husband and I appland you and Leah for your efforts to enlighten us on this cancer of lies that sciencetology is trying to preach and spread!NEVER GIVEUP!NEVER BACK DOWN!
I would love to see an interview with Al Dimeola and Stanley Clarke. I was a Return To Forever fan for many years until I learned about how Chick Correa ruined the group with his scientology nonsense.
Stanley has been back in for a few years now. And I’m not sure they broke up because of scientology. All these guys were geniuses, and “supergroup” members tend to also follow their very individual destinies.
Me too. I was terribly disappointed to find all that out. Maybe that’s why they did so many solo things after.
Me too! I also remember looking at the liner notes for Chick’s “Delphi” albums and saying to myself, WTF?
As long as this show exists the credibility of this cult will diminish. Its (the church) pronouncements currently mean nothing in the light of the ill-logic of their statements. When it was revealed to the people of Ireland, the complicity of the rc church and the police, in protecting paedophile priests: church attendance dropped. The dams of protection for the abusers of this world are bursting. First it was the rc church, with their scandals in America and then Europe. Then it was Bill Cosby. Then this show came on. Now it’s various Hollywood producers, actors and directors. At first I thought this show might last two seasons tops; now, I think it might last indefinitely. I have to erase the show from my PVR because I can’t watch the same show twice; it’s so emotional and I had only one brief contact with scientology.
PS: Mike. I think you should take a break from the show. You cannot be the bear always and it must be taking a toll on you. All the best and keep your chin up otherwise.
I hope the show lasts till Scientology doesn’t exist too and I hope A&E eventually sells the show to other networks so the word will spread further. This show is protecting those who see it from joining.
Ron Goes & Mike Rinder,
On the contrary, I believe that Mike should continue his efforts, for the following reasons, in no particular order.
( 1 ) Mike and Leah complement ( not “compliment” ) and draw strength from each other . . . A perfect team !
( 2 ) In addition to helping the victims of Scientology, we must not forget that Mike, himself, is a victim. His continued active participation, in my opinion, is very “therapeutic” for him. I believe that he bears a lot of guilt and feels deeply responsible for things he did, in the name of Scientology, that ultimately hurt so many people.
( 3 ) I hope that Mike knows that he is NOT to blame. He entered Scientology, at the age of 6, grew up in it, and knew no other way of life. Even armed with that knowledge, I feel that Mike still suffers from the effects of his “programming” by Scientology. By the grace of God, he came to realize the truth of what Scientology is all about and he has chosen to FIGHT, rather to to SUBMIT, as Scientology forces its Members to do.
( 4 ) To sum it up, Mike needs “healing”, himself, and I believe that his direct involvement in exposing Scientology, actively participating in bringing it down, and using his own knowledge of, and experience within, Scientology, is vital in helping other victims restore their lives, as well as his own !
Keep fighting, Mike & Leah . . . God Bless you !
BOYCOTT ?TOM CRUISE? not one dime to anything he’s involved in. He’s helping oxygenate this satanic cult.
Personally I don’t watch ANYTHING anymore with tc or anyone who is too much of a pussy to speak out for truth. Not even reruns on tv!
I agree Amy. I have been boycotting Cruise for a long time and I inform everyone else to do the same. Some people think boycotts aren’t effective and might not work, but it is something I can do, so I do it. And guess what, my friends, family, and neighbors at the very least hear me out to investigate for themselves the nature of scientology and where a big portion of Cruise’s money goes.
I agree completely! I can’t believe people watch his movies, given his behavior. Not a dime from me.
Not to mention the fact that, apart from being a mediocre actor, I’ve thought for quite some time that he’s missing a bunch of brain cells, and not only because he’s a member of this destructive cult.
Mike,
My wife and I are of the opinion that LRH was, at the very least, a “con man” or, at worst, an evil sociopath, who took “Science Fiction” and morphed it into a scam “religion”. We are undecided as to whether LRH genuinely “believed” in Scientology, at least at first, or not, and whether David Miscavige actually “believes ” ( and is thoroughly “brainwashed” ) or whether he simply is using Scientology for personal gain. From his violent behavior, and other actions, we believe that he has severe psychiatric problems.
As I see Scientology, it appears to be a “pyramid scheme”, hiding behind the facade of being a “church” ( No Deity / No Worship Services ), while reaping huge financial rewards from its fraudulently-obtained, non-profit status. They use powerful psychological “weapons” ( “Disconnection”, “Fair Game”, “Shaming”, etc. ) to “ensnare” Members and “force compliance” for fear of public ridicule and the loss of contact with family and friends. That is truly reprehensible and unforgivable !
On the TV show, you and Leah have never expressed any “fear” about Scientology resorting to violence to permanently “silence” either of you, due to the “threat” you pose to Scientology and Miscavige. Do you think they would ever resort to making an attempt on your lives or members of your families ? I hope and pray that they would not but, given the level of fanaticism and control they exhibit and the tactics they use, I would not let my guard down, ever ! ( whatever happened to Shelly Miscavige comes to mind ).
Many thanks to you. Mike, and Leah . . . Stay safe !
Mike,
Please help me understand why the police could not be sent out to rescue the woman who tried to escape but failed after her husband left, as the story in the last episode revealed.It seems that she wouldn’t have been afraid to cross DM or her handler if she already attempted to leave. Sorry I can’t remember the couples name.
Scientology is worse than a cult. It’s criminal modern day slavery. I signed the petition.
Last night was another emotional episode. My favorite part was when both Leah and Sherry apologized to each other. Leah apologized for not believing her and disconnecting…Sherry apologized for not realizing the position Leah was in by approaching her. This is friendship at its base level. After all these years, they still have each other’s back. Loved this!
Loved the reunion between Mike and Chantal. Heartbreaking!
There are so many positives related to cult exposure (mainly stopping the abuse and holding individuals accountable for crimes) but a favorite of mine is the reuniting of all these people who worked together, or lived together, or knew each other etc. over the years while in the cult. This is so touching. As many as the cult spouted about the number of members, it really appears to have been a small community of people.
As for the cult vomit…**swooosh flush**** Well done as usual, Mike!!
And…just have to share….I was over at the petition checking it out and was there for 30 seconds and watched the number climb by 10. Awesome.
Great show and thank you for all you do. Odd ball cult and just odd scary. Keep up the good work.
PS Tell Leah to stop using the F word.?
Why?
OSD, I agree with your “why”? It is only a word. It stands for a multitude of emotions and no longer has a shock value, unless used on “regular” TV. I take no offence, as I believe Leah is simply being herself.
Leah is just “being Leah” . . . She was born in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, NY . . . Her ancestry is Austrian Jewish and Sicilian . . . Say no more . . . Give it to them “loud & dirty” and “make it stick”, Leah ! ! !
I’m with the keep it real group. Saying “HOLY COW!” Simply does NOT suffice. AND….verbalizing adequately helps the verbalizer deal with the f***** up thing you just got served. I didn’t grow up in Brooklyn, I grew up in Cali in a city by Pasadena and hearing Leah speak as herself makes ME feel comfortable because I’m the exact same in the cursing area. Seriously, substitute “fudge” in the sentence where the “f” word was used and see if it feels as raw and real as the moment was. Leah & Mike are deluged with these horror stories on the constant. They need all the release they can get.
? go Leahgo
It’s a damn cult that poisoning Society and needs to be stopped. May God bless you Mike and Leah in your endeavors to do so.
You’ve mentioned many times how Scientology milks every dime out of the perititioners through the forking over of homes, property, children’s college funds, loans, credit card, etc. When they leave do they get stuck paying back what they borrowed for Scientology? Also, they they say it’s a “witch hunt” but actually they’re the witch hunters and bullies, how do they get away with stalking, trespassing, harassing and written lies about people? How do they get away with EVERYTHING they do? The show is fascinating but highly stressful for me. Just keep up the fight!!!
Hi Jennifer
Yes of course they are stuck paying what was borrowed as it was credit taken out in their own names…I know of people still paying a 50 thousand a month repayment on money they signed surety for…not even actually directly donated….
We have followed your shows since the very first episode. You’ve enlightened us and are sadden by the heart ache you and the others have had to endure. Sadly my husband and I tuned in last night and once again A&E says basically that it was not available at this time and to try again later. This has happened for the last 3 episodes so we would watch it on demand. Well for some reason last nights episode S02 E10 isn’t even on demand. Does Scientology control A&E now too? I’m really angry and frustrated.
I have found it sometimes takes a couple days before things are available On Demand. Not always, but definitely sometimes.
I catch it on a&e.com right after it airs. Or download A&E app. The episode is available right after it airs
The same thing happened to me too!
Sometimes, new shows are shown several times in re-runs before they turn up on on-demand. I’ve noticed that this is true for Aftermath. I also missed the latest episode and am looking forward to watching it either in a re-run or on-demand when it’s available.
Thank you Mr. Rinder and Ms Remini for exposing this God awful cult! I remember walking into a Scientology office in mtn.view CA back in the early 70s All I really remember was knowing that these people are out if their minds and I had better get the heck out of there!!!
As painful as this must be for both of you you’re doing the world a humongous favor by telling this unbelievable but true tale. Keep fighting the good fight and this horrible cult will disappear someday!!!
If the COS wants to go after advertisers of this show and after the companies and businesses of the people who are participating in this show, then a very coordinated and concerted effort needs to be made to hit the actors that are still members. Again – anyone of them that are identified in a movie or show – DO NOT PAY OR BUY THAT MOVIE OR SHOW. I own a Hyundai. I will never use Geico. Bring it on COS. Bring it on!!!
Geico did not pull their ad
It is so simple really, and anyone can do it…
Support the truth tellers and their advertisers.
Avoid the products of abusers and their advertisers.
Investigate and educate yourself.
This really goes for many things in life, when you think about it (avoid the products of scientologists, Hollywood casting couch creeps, bad political figures with business interests, etc, etc).
After every single episode I think, it just can’t get any more heartbreaking. It just can’t get any worse than this. And it always does. It’s absolutely Kafka-esque.
The tableau this show is painting almost reminds me of a Hieronymous Bosch version of hell. A canvas of people in twisted shapes and forms suffering excruciating mental and emotional tortures. And all of them are institutionally inflicted. But designed to make people feel like they are on top of the universe.
The dogma of the church is one thing. Apparently it imprints people with a frame of reference that is almost impossible to shake. I realize I’m a never-in, but I purposely avoid using CoS jargon because I feel that it reinforces some of the more damaging concepts of reality it has inculcated in its followers.
(I look at LRH the same way I look at Freud – very outdated and mechanistic view of reality. We have come far enough in neuroscience to have outgrown the idea of “id”, “ego” and “superego” although they were certainly a handy model to explain the world of the mind at the time.)
However, it is the POLICIES of this organization that are designed to exploit and torture people, using that same dogma and world view. Obviously LRH had no clue on how to start a real “religion” – his model feels like some militaristic Cold War version of an Orwell novel. Just what a sci-fi writer would dream up. Only his utopia has disintegrated into a toxic dystopia for many, many people, and that certainly requires our attention.
The fact it is now being run by an even more insane version than the founder himself, an even more paranoid and vicious and narcissistic megalomaniac, shows how easily the “tech” of CoS can run off the rails. If the guy at the top is supposed to be the shining example of the apex of what CoS tech and process can accomplish, the “ubermensch” of the philosophy, then it is a giant warning beacon to all that it should be something to avoid.
People outside of Nazi Germany could see it was simply genocide, while those inside were afraid to question the blind loyalty that was required so that the planet could be “cleared” for the “master race”. Same logic. Same brainwashing principles. Same fear-based, punishment based philosophy.
We discuss the policy of “disconnection” a lot here and how it rips up families. But watching last night it also struck me that the philosophy of CoS itself causes an innate “disconnection” inside of a person, in how humans immediately and naturally feel and think and how they evolve. The model it creates and the terms and paradigms it uses are designed to separate a person from their own mind – by remaking it into a model that is almost robotic about how it overanalyzes things. To borrow from psychology – it makes people “dissociate” from themselves. That is often what happens to people who experience trauma, and it is also a very effective way, it would appear, to get people to accept a different version of reality that is vulnerable to outside control. It is also a technique used to get people to overcome their phobias – neurolinguistic programming or NLP – where people take something that frightens them and distance themselves from it by imagining they are filming it and then watching it on film – a way to diminish its impact on their emotions. But conquering a phobia by treating it like an inanimate object and treating your soul like something that needs a spiritual exterminator to rid itself of negative “pests” are two different things.
That’s another reason I kind of dislike all the terminology. Because a lot of it imitates corporate-speak, where everything is in stats and numbers and it all looks like a ledger or balance sheet. I think there is something about using those terms to describe ourselves and our existence that is mechanical and de-humanizing and reductionist. (Almost like some evil overlord himself designed it as a way to control souls by condensing and diminishing them into inanimate objects). It gets people to look at themselves in a way that is almost outside of themselves.
However, there is a huge difference in believing in a philosophy and supporting policies which would be considered illegal in the society in which they operate (and don’t have to pay taxes). Adults who get into this outfit have a certain degree of choice, even though cults are designed to wear that down and replace it. CoS should come with a Surgeon General warning label for them. Especially for the policies that encourage all that tattling in “knowledge reports” and draconian punishment for disobeying. That kind of garbage is right out of every fascist nightmare – Cultural Revolution Red Guard, Hitler Youth Group, Kmer Rouge scenarios. History is littered with examples of how that backfires. People ratting on each other for spite and abuses of power and scapegoating. It’s an easy way to bring out the most perverse elements of human nature. Far from the goal of “clearing” the planet of anything but rather encouraging humans very worst and basest impulses.
But the real horror is what it does to innocent children who do not have the choice to decide to believe something that can turn incredibly toxic even for prepared adults. The policies of this church are completely antithetical to raising happy, productive and well-adjusted children. It is illegal in this country to treat kids like this. We have child labor laws. We have courts that would call this verbal, emotional and psychological abuse. At the very least we need to bug the crap out of local child protective services to look into the living conditions these kids are suffering. They would be taken away from parents or guardians who treated them this neglectfully. We would be thrown in prison for making kids work that many hours for a living like some Dickensian novel or a third world sweat shop.
And what I want to know is, how did all these teenagers manage to get people to rent them apartments? Is there some kind of underground railroad going on? If so, that’s cool. But I also worry about teenagers being exploited and abused by adults in the outside world. We have a problem with runaways in our society being homeless and having to turn to prostitution and drugs and worse. I’m worried about kids having no safe place to go if they want to escape. They should not have to rely on each other when they aren’t even grownups yet.
I really, really hope this series culminates in efforts by the public to create a safe haven for people to come to after they decide to leave where they can regroup and are protected by the venal invective this little tyrant spews at them for pointing out his crimes (when all you can do is trash victims and pressure others to call their claims “lies” you have no real exculpatory evidence – people who are really innocent allow you to examine the facts instead of disrespectfully denying they could possibly exist – that screams guilt immediately.). People leaving this place need a support group, a place they can start to heal. Because it is absolutely obvious from everyone we have seen on this show that this organization, some of its principles and certainly all of its policies, are disastrously harmful, and even lethal.
Thank you for showing us every week, though, how the human spirit is strong enough to survive all of this and pick itself up and thrive. You are incredibly inspirational to anyone who has suffered. All of you have our love and support.
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Anyone continuing to support $cientology has no excuse of ignorance. Tom Cruise and the like need their ego stroked. As long as they keep their head in the cloud of lies they will get what they need. Adoration. But they are only adored by the few hundred die-hard Scientologists left drinking the koolaid.
I am sad for those sincere people who wanted to do something for the greater good only to find out they were duped by a charlatan, a snake oil salesman. How could we possibly clear a planet when we cannot even clear a room? Change would have to involve the heart. $cientology is obviously not motivated by the heart but by the greed of a few who see the money. “Show me the money!” Who said that again?
Just want to say I enjoy the A&E program so much. I watch them over & over. I feel bad for the people that believed & were so badly deceived by this “religion”. I love listening to you Mr. Rinder & Mrs. Remini. Thank You. I was always curious about Scientology & remember the Ads for the books in the 1980s.. I never read the book though Thank Goodness. Thank you all for the excellent work exposing this scam.
This question may have already been asked but for those who may want to leave but have no one to turn to, is there a refuge or “helpline” of sorts that can help people get re-established?
There are a LOT of very visible former scientologists and SO members who are ready to help anyone that needs it.
Thank you Mike for the work you are doing and the support. Its good to know there is help for people considering leaving who may need it.
Bless their hearts.
This really reminds me a lot of the series exposing polygamy. There’s a group of survivors dedicated to helping others escape and getting them on their feet and integrated into society. I definitely agree these poor souls need help, and I’d imagine many people would bolt of they didn’t feel so scared & helpless.
“This is as logical as saying because Gwyneth Paltrow didn’t talk about Harvey Weinstein molesting her when she appeared in Shakespeare in Love she is just making it up and embellishing it now.”
Bingo!
For Mimi…..the poem her mother struggled to recite before she passed away:
IF
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build ‘em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on”;
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings—nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run—
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
The poem is by Rudyard Kipling
Yes it is, & apparently written from his heart! When Mimi mentioned it, I remember reading it in Literary Class…..small parts of it I recalled….then I pulled it up on the internet, it hit me like a ton of bricks…..it IS & WAS her mother’s apology……so heartbreaking Mimi could not have a few minutes ALONE with her mom, a “body monitor” had to BE there….so sickening.
Don’t these “body monitors” ever have to eat or pee ?
Does anyone even read the COS disclaimers anymore ? It’s just the same BS over & over…
Somebody (DM) should have thought twice before pissing off Leah. You go girl….;)
Oh yeah……where is Shelly, again ???
It would be nice if Shelly appeared.
Unfortunately, I highly doubt that will happen.
I truly have learned so much about this cult called Scientology from Mrs. Remini and Mr. Rinder. I can’t understand how seemingly intelligent people are part of this. Why has our government not stepped in (Waco, Charles Manson “family, etc)? Why is the “leader” David Miscavage cowering and not speaking up to defend this so called church (not)? It seems he is a very weak leader. He makes others do his dirty work. I pray God will forgive him and others for the physical, emotional and spiritual pain they have caused.
In fairness, they didn’t step in with Manson until people had been murdered.
I think they don’t intervene is, in part, due to Waco. They shouldn’t have done anything there. No one had broken a law, that I recall. I don’t know whether the girls talking about Koresh happened before or after the raid. In any event, that was such a black eye on the government. I think they have been trying to have more of a hands-off approach ever since.
Add to that the Warren Jeffs FLDS fiasco….taking all those women & children away from the only life they’ve ever known…..then Jeffs & some of his cohorts arrested & imprisoned….YET the women complained that they wanted & demanded to go back to living the life they’ve always known….& they are STILL there.
Whoa! A chance to escape…and they actually go back.
That’s some massively effective brainwashing. Gives me the chills.
Yes OSD….these women are raised form infancy that this is the ONLY way (sound familiar)….that they are to be subservient to male authority of them & are expected to have extremely long hair they usually wear in an ” up do”. There husbands are often selected FOR them, they have no choice. They are expected to be avialable for sex at their “husband’s demand” & have as many children as possible.
This is NOT bigamy….these are not LEGAL marriages only “spiritual” with no official state marital certificate. Often times the name of the father is NOT put on the birth certificate because that would make HIM legally financially responsible for the child….the mothers normally apply for food stamps & welfare benefits. I befriended decades ago a young woman who escaped (blew)….she said she told her family that she was going for a walk…& she kept on walking. If you’ve watched the “Escaping Polygamy Show”…she somehow met people involved in this who saved her. She was over 18 & there was nothing he mother, father, siblings, future intended husband (who was in his 50’s) could do to “get her back”, although they tried by sitting outside the residence she was living in (they know everything & have spies all over, much like COS)….but she got away & lived her life the way she wanted to. Got her G.E.D., went to college & wanted to be a Social Worker…..
Penny, Waco is one reason they don’t. They murdered children and parents for NO laws broken, Those involved should be executed for those murders. That includes Clinton who okay’ed the slaughter.
Yes, Waco. I was thinking the same thing. A huge catastrophe; terribly wrong of the government. It was unjustified mass murder, pure and simple.
Brainwashing is used everywhere including government proganda and advertising, everyone can be brainwashed. It happens all 24 hrs a day.
Whomever wrote the smears before the episode aired must have been in a different time zone, and made a mistake of posting it too soon. Leah and company wins again :-).
Leah & Company. When cult members think about Leah…it gives them the chills.
Thanks for spreading light and speaking the truth.
What Michael Mallen just said.
Mike, OMG! These shows will eventually dissolve Scientology, I know they will! How the blatant abuse, neglect and refusal to educate children has gone on this long is unbelievable but I totally believe it. People have to keep in mind that RLH was a Science-Fiction ‘writer’. He MADE THIS ALL UP! Sadly, it appealed to those at their most vulnerable. No doubt it’s brainwashing at it’s most evil place as it destroys families and negates the importance of having parents to nurture you. It is beyond sad…
The way you sit so stoic as the others speak does not give us insight to YOUR misery. I can see in your eyes that you’re just dying inside…that makes me so sad the weight you carry for your part in this mess. You’re more than making up for it now. Forgive yourself, Mike. It’s obvious that you are no longer ‘that’ person. You are a good man and I’m happy you found some form of happiness with your ‘new’ family.
I’m such a sucker or nurturer that our 40 year old son and his boys moved in with us and we are keeping our new granddaughter full time. SUCKER! But, I have choices in my life unlike Scientologist!
You absolutely ROCK! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for doing this series!
#1 I’m guessing ( thank Goodness) that you haven’t had childhood trama to put yourself in all these people shoes!!
#2 If she is saying these things, look what else she’s saying!?
#3 myself being a child abuse suriver, ( my 1rst memory came to me at 23yrs old , while I was pregnant with my 1rst child { I finally took him to court 20yrs after, I still can’t remember everything, oh & btw the statue of limitations was over – I needed it known though for me }).!
#4 so to judge these people who do risk ( I do believe it is happened) & kinda of mock them!
Haven’t they been through enough!??
Who is this directed at?
Mike & Leah,
First of all, thank you for ALL you do. I used to go to the Clearwater beaches the summers I was in high school. I remember seeing the road signs directing you to the Clearwater site. Sure glad I never turned to go see what it was……?
I have watched all of the episodes since your show started. I would like ask DM why is it that people in Scientology are allowed to stay no matter how “evil” or suppressive they are, but once you leave, now you aren’t worthy enough to breath the same air. I know the policy, but wouldn’t you want these people to just leave & move on? Why go after them to try to ruin their lives? What does that accomplish? You aren’t going back & don’t want to, so let’s both just move on forget about each other?
I understand their policy & their thinking, but I would like for him to answer.
Again, thank you both for all you do. I know this can’t be easy for either of you. God bless you!
“…but wouldn’t you want these people to just leave & move on?”
Cathy B, you just nailed the flaw in the cult’s “reasoning”.
The reality is that anyone who publicly leaves Scientology is painted by them as having ALWAYS been evil, or dishonest, or incompetent, or someone who was of no consequence in the organization, or a liar, or a womanizer, or a promiscuous woman, or any combination of the above,
Basically, per the cult, whoever stays with them is an exceptional person, and whoever leaves is a piece of shit.
I’m using facetious language but that is the standard. It IS the mindset, pure and simple – a cult mindset.
To expand a bit further, Cathy B:
No matter how helpful and hardworking, dedicated, loyal, etc. a person was when IN, per the cult, LEAVING, automatically wipes out ALL past good deeds done by that person on behalf of the cult when he or she was in.
The cult will never, ever say anything good about someone who has left. Publicly, to the media, or privately, to their Still Ins. You can take that to the bank!
The fact ALONE that people leave PROVES
1) They are no good, 2) were no good, 3) will never be any good.
Unless they come back.
Seriously. i’m not being funny.
Thank you both and A&E for this informative show. God bless your efforts. Will sign any petition or otherwise that will stop the IRS-complicit tax exemption. #NotAChurch
Scientology has always been a cult and I definitely wouldn’t fit into their world of lies.
Their reputation is just a shade above Jonestown…and fallinga.
I am always amazed when courageous people stand up and declare No More!!! Mike, you and Leah and each of your guests, are standing up for all those still caught in this web of lies and evil. You are saying No More for their unheard voices and you all amaze me!!!! When The Light of Truth shines into the darkness, the darkness can not stand!!! Your courage in forcing truth to finally be heard, will force the darkness into oblivion forever!!! You and Leah are My rock stars!!!!!!
Great news! Both Jenna E.’s and Juliette L.’s tv shows have been cancelled. No more Mega donations from Them! And I agree, we should be boycotting the work of All celebrity members. Hit them in the pocketbook – where it Hurts! That should get through to them,
Hello Mike,
I learned recently that you were the OSA in charge and that Garry Scarff was one of your agents. He died last spring.
Scarff and/or others said or are saying that Scarff was an OSA agent until 2007. As you left OSA in 2007, you might now best if this is a fact or a lie.
Did you or OSA still work with Scarff all the way thru until 2007? Did he and you leave together?
He was never an “agent of OSA”. He flip-flopped many times — he approached OSA asking for money to spy on “anti-scientologists”. His offer was rejected. He did various other things to try and ingratiate himself with scientology as I think he felt it was a potential source of income. But as far as I know, nobody from OSA ever “hired” or “ran” or “directed” him. He was a loose cannon free agent.
I totally agree with this effort! I can’t support any of their work. And, I pray these actors wake up!
With Scientology…don’t hold your breath.
I’ve been boycotting Tom Cruise and JohnTravolta and that big mouth Kirsti Ally for years. Couch jumping, deeply closeted and nothing of note except character attacks from her.
Yuk.
I was never a big fan of any of theirs really, but when all this weirdness started to come out? Ewe.
I do believe this show will bring heat from the IRS, if it isn’t in full investigation mode already.
What a bunch of bullies and creeps.
I’m totally with you on Cruise and Alley, who each turn me off big time and always have. Travolta now, I’ve always liked. As an actor and as a person.
Now, look, I don’t KNOW him, I just get a sense (from many live interviews) of him being a nice guy. To me, there’s a always been a decency, a kindness, emanating from him. I just get the sense that his is a gentle soul, that he would be someone who would be nice to have as a friend.. This is my sense of him, from live interviews, over the years, that he’s not a phoney, that he’s honest, and, well, there’s that word again – gentle. A caring type of person. Not stubborn. I get the sense that he looks out for people, even people he doesn’t know well. That’s my sense of him.
Also, I believe (or sense, “pick up”, etc.) that his love for his son was genuine and enormous and that he truly believed he was doing the right thing by his boy by not giving him autistic drugs.
I don’t believe he kept his boy away from the right medicine because he was a cult robot – which of course he IS,- but I don’t think cult robotism was the deciding factor in this decision regarding his child. I believe he believed it was the right way to handle his boy’s condition. I believe he never deliberately, knowingly or willingly did anything that he believed would hurt that boy.
Again, this is just me and my sense of things and certainly I don’t know Travolta and have never met him and I’m basing this solely on the “energy” I perceive from him in many live TV interviews over the decades.
Concerning Travolta, I also believe that, unlike Cruise who disconnected from Suri, Travolta would NEVER disconnect from one of his children out of cult obedience.
I just don’t believe he would. His wife, Preston, I think might, but I believe that for all his gentleness and affability, if given such a command he would give them the middle finger and stay connected to his kids, and the divvil take the hindermost.
Mike – another great show on A&E!,
Heh – National Geographic’s has an entire edition about Secret Society Cults
Guess who they feature?
Yep – $cientology
Nice big photo of Tom Cruise too
Oh, how bitchin’ is that!
Swee!!
Link to last night’s episode: https://rutube.ru/video/ade39342510d6f9ce1e34c68a72a0148/?ref=search
Mike & Leah, you’re doing a fantastic job with this series; a fantastic service. Clearly the cos “responses” are aimed squarely at still-ins who are starting to wonder. The fact that they’re starting to wonder and that cos knows this are both very good signs! Tic-tock…
Mike, excellent show last night. It is amazing that those kids, neglected by their parents, had to fend for themselves in dangerous environments at young ages. But that is the church for you. I have a question: WHO took Leah to acting auditions? I saw her in a Cheers episode or two at a young age, around 14 to 16 years old. Someone had to take her to acting classes (if she did them) and to auditions. Who did that? Or did she somehow ride buses to get to these auditions? How did she do it? I have a renewed sense of awe at Leah’s resourcefulness and kick ass survival attitude to have taken lemons and made lemonade and a lucrative acting career despite the horrific roadblocks she faced. She survived despite abuse and neglect and missing parents for several years. Wow! She was OT before she even got into the church. (meaning very powerful on her own with no help from any church.)
Did you read her book?
I have read her book twice, just like i watch the shows twice. Its the only way to get all the information! Awesome job you are both doing!!
Scn911, thanks so very much for this link. I was watching the World Series and missed this episode. What a tear jerker this episode was!
Again, many thanks for this link!
OMG just watched. So glad these guys got out. Stephan & Sherry were really nice kids as I remember them from Flag.
Hubbard was EVIL. His creation, scientology, IS evil. It needs to be stamped out and its proponents handled.
Love, love, love the Weinstein comparison! Good grief, could these people get any lower or pathetic? You and Leah and all the contributors are doing such amazing work. Keep up the good fight, Mike! We are all here with you.
Last night’s episode was another incredibly powerful and direct indictment of $cn for its systematic neglect, abuse, and psycho-terrorism of the children in its care, and for its abandonment and expulsion of those who refused to submit to it.
Instead of responding to the direct, specific and detailed allegations of abuse, neglect and psycho-terroristic punishment procedures — such as being forced to clean filthy, food waste dumpsters with a toothbrush until it passed “white glove” inspection — which have been independently made by several different ex-cult member Aftermath contributors, the cherch simply refuses to respond to these charges of unconscionable and sadistic abuse.
In this regard, Mike notes, ” If ever anyone needed proof that scientology has NO interest in EVER responding to the facts that are presented in the show, it is this. They can’t be bothered to even pretend they care about what is said — their modus operandi is to attempt to smear the victims of their abuse. This is incontrovertible evidence of that fact.”
To mistreat, neglect, abuse and abandon children that you’re responsible for is unconscionable and utterly indefensible, but to attack the character of those who’re brave enough to tell their own personal stories, instead of responding directly to their specific allegations, is surely the mark of true evil.
In the Court of Public Opinion, the cult’s attempts to smear its accusers, instead of addressing directly the very serious allegations made against it by multiple individuals, amounts to a plea of “no contest” – a verdict that more and more non-cultists are coming to as each new episode of the series airs.
All the money in the world is not going to be just recompense for a stolen childhood, but if the cult can not be criminally charged for the truly evil acts committed against the children in its care, then bankrupting it so that it no longer has the means to continue to harm individuals and destroy families — as it has consistently engaged in throughout its nearly seven decades of vile existence — is the next best thing and exactly what we should all be working to achieve!
Last night hearing Chantal and Sherry’s stories were bad enough. Actually being forced to live that way.. Words could never be enough to describe them
It’s indentured servitude.
I have 2 question. First and obviously where’s all the money? Secondly, I don’t understand why there is no formidable charges being laid against this organization. The laws must be equal for all victims no matter the circumstances and since this is most likely still happening is there anything that can be done? Your voices are being heard, there is no doubt about that. I wish all of you the best of luck to expose this false religion.
No one wants be known for attacking a religious org.. I am not saying that all their abuses physical and mental are not guilty. Some day it will happen when new laws become available. Has for the money they hide it in real estate and more than likely off shore accounts and probably precious metals like gold, silver, platinum. Justice will prevail just not fast enough the court of public opinion with social media will however spread the abuse stories and with our love and support will succeed in the $nc downfall.
Betsy, I agree with everything you posted.
Thank You Old Surfer dude. Do you still catch waves. Here in WA its down right freezing. Dry suits not to flexible you know.
Is anyone else struck by how the whole scientology set up perfectly fits the narcissistic model like institutionalised narcissistic abuse on a massive scale. It goes through each and every stage of it from love bombing to interpersonal exploitation, projection, abuse, lies, isolation, gaslighting all to serve this grandiose but false spiritual entity, then comes discard and smear leaving the victims like hollowed out empty shells of themselves traumatized within an inch of their lives or past it sadly.
It’s a gigantic narcissistic beast who swallows people, chews them up and spits them out when it’s done.
As what it fears the most is exposure, Mike and Leah are doing a sterling job of it, bless them and I hope that continuing to shine the light of truth they will take it down and vanquish it.
Thank you for all of this Mike, and thank you for the video interviews with Aaron Smith-Levin on “Growing up in Scientology”
This, just as a quick off-topic, these videos have been helping me tremendously in the last week, since I began listening.
I’ll write and thank more at a later time, but just for this morning I wanted to tell you how much it’s helping. You two sound SO sane and rational about your past, you’ve both SUCH a good attitude. It actually gives me hope and something to aspire to. That level of acceptance and equanimity.
AND, listening to you two describe it all and lay bare “how it really is and goes” – is SO therapeutic. I don’t know why it is, but for some reason, hearing you “tell all”, so many things I have firsthand experience of or suspected, it just makes me go, “yes! yes! yes! THAT’S THE WAY IT IS!”
It makes me feel seen and it’s so reassuring to have ‘the world’ hearing it.
(haha, I’m so used to sitting holding cans, ‘telling all’, I’m getting ‘case gain’ from having the truth about scn ‘told all’)
Thank you. I adore you and Aaron together. Kudos to him and his lovely family too.
Your efforts HELP.
Thank you, SecretForNow. You expressed my thoughts exactly. Each episode is as horrifying and maddening as they are inspiring and strengthening. They always bring me RELIEF! Seeing each one of your brave guests face their abusers–knowing they’re going to get viciously attacked and exposed for all the world to see… Incredible. They emerge stronger for it, I’m sure. It’s the kind of courage sorely lacking in today’s society. Until Leah’s book, “Troublemaker,” it was almost unheard of.
I missed the repeat of the Business of Scientology episode with Jeffry Augustine and Mr. Garcia –money, money, money. I always look forward to seeing the prior week again…
Speaking of greed—some great news today: https://tonyortega.org/2017/11/01/the-first-scientologist-with-super-power-gets-his-wings-clipped-by-bankruptcy-judge/ Finally, a rich Lyintologist gets a dose of justice…
What sickos..
Mike, I’m sure you get asked about this topic a lot — I look forward to future episodes about extortion and credit card fraud targeting low and middle income victims. It was happening 20 years ago and to this day, the practice is alive and well). What is it, some $400 MILLION is sitting on account at Flag for “services” that haven’t been delivered? That blew my mind. If that’s just Flag’s stats then wow… Just wow. I’m sure every single Idle Morgue has more than a handful of people who are in for $10’s of thousands per property. And no… It’s not, “just a few bad apples here and there and they get, ‘handled’.”
Great job on his week’s Aftermath program, the two women were amazing–and I just loved the four of you together.
Next week is going to be a stunner… What a cliff-hanger! KAW. Keep Aftermath Working.
When $cientology teaches its parishioners that it’s ok to lie, cheat and steal they are literally producing people with criminal mentalities.
Right on the money, Bonnie! Great post!
Yes, but the most ethical criminal mentalities on the planet!
🙂
Mike,
You said, ” But hey, scientology, if all of this stuff is maliciously and deliberately false — where are the lawsuits? You employ numerous lawyers to send cut and paste letters. Why are you not suing?”
End Quote :
My perspective, as a viewer of the TV series, and not an attorney, is this.
They have not filed suit because doing so would make all of their records and documentation subject to subpoena.
If those items all became public knowledge, their “credibility” ( if they ever had any ) would be destroyed and all of their internal actions and policies would be exposed . . . Laid bare for all to see !
If everything Scientology has denied were to be exposed ( disconnection, physical abuse, imprisonment, physical violence, etc, etc, etc. ), thoroughly investigated, and prosecuted in a court of law, they would be finished !
I am curious why no efforts at “undercover investigation” has been attempted by Law Enforcement . . . I surmise that the “cans”, essentially, function as a “lie detector” and that undercover operatives would be spotted, early on . . . Thoughts ?
God bless you, Mike !
Thanks Dave.
Excellent conclusions.
I would add a couple more:
1. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation. They would lose and they know it and that would be particularly embarrassing.
2. The first person noticed for deposition would be Chairman of the Bored. He could not withstand that.
He’d curl up in a fetal position & whine his ass off……as I noted previously he’d say:
“Everything is compartmentalized….I had NO IDEA any of this was going on”……..then the lightening bolt would strike & turn him into a pile of cinders…..
That’s my Christmas wish, Balletlady
Chairman of that imaginary board.
Right! He’s “Chairman” of the Board, of which there are no members. Surreal.
Makes sense since everything in Scientology IS imaginary.
Let’s not forget how badly Debbie Cook’s testimony backfired on them!! The slurch backed down but fast.
Mike I cried last night when you and Chantal hugged. That was such a real human emotional empathic moment. Thank you again and again for what you’ve done and are doing. You and Leah are making history.
Hubbard may be dead but it is clear that his criminal insanity lives on in scientology.
Wynster, you’re absolutely correct. Scientology IS a criminal organization.
I think their criminality goes hand in hand with their unswerving devotion to keeping Hubbard as their do-no-wrong-deity.
False idol…..and, admitting that the tech is crap and the “philosophy” of LRH is simply conjured up from his imagination (and stolen from others) would be almost more than they could bare.
I’ll never forget a quote of Leah’s something like: “I didn’t want to discover that everything I knew my whole life was a lie!!”
I shudder at the thought.
Once again my heart is breaking at the abuse from Scientology. I am writing to my politicians, the IRS and anyone I feel can help crush this organization. All of us, every single one of us, need to do this and one other thing. We must ask our God for help in stopping Scientology. We cannot do this alone. If every single one of us pray for God’s help, it will begin sooner. Pray every day to stop Scientology. Pray often to stop this abuse. These prayers will be answered. We can do this. Unite together to do what is right for these broken people.
Prayers ARE being answered through the many exposure stories being shared by brave individuals here on this blog and other blogs, letters already written to government officials, law suits filed by courageous victims, multi-media, books etc. Adding your voice is another prayer answered. Go for It and spread the word…sign the petition below..
https://www.change.org/p/12013459/u/21818254?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_campaign=169894&sfmc_tk=vAc%2bckwZ2mau14HqLk3BzIXmdO885ozN4JG7f%2fL0SwW2eodXSTCB4RHmXSfoXmPv&j=169894&sfmc_sub=540944801&l=32_HTML&u=31726402&mid=7259882&jb=14
I just watched last night’s episode again, this time uninterrupted by my household. Excellent. I love you Mike Rinder, I love you Leah Remini, for your finer attributes that are shining through you and all the brave contributors to this program.
Thank you for providing dox re: Hubbard’s policies toward children.
Another show knocks it out of the park. You are bringing light to the abuse Mike. You and Leah are rockin it big time.
Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you
And Leah, your friends are angels. And so are you. You are doing God’s work. This scourge of society needs to go the way of the dinosaur.
And those that think the Supreme Intelligence is bunk……………
Move along, nothing to see here.
Mike,
In the interest of clarity, I’ll be brief and simply ask two questions that have been bugging me for a while.
How does Scientology become aware of who your guests for upcoming shows will be and what the content of the show is, well in advance, before it is even aired ?
Is this information “public knowledge” or are there Scientology “moles”, either in your crew or within A&E, that are leaking information to Scientology ?
God bless you, Mike, Leah, and all the victms of Scientology !
It’s simple.
We ask for their response to specific allegations for EVERY show. We ask for someone to appear on the show to represent the church’s perspective. For every show.
So, they know whose story is coming and generally what it is they are going to be talking about well in advance of the show airing.
We are not hiding anything. We are not afraid to tell them what is coming. The truth gives you great strength and certainty.
Hi Mike,
Quite frankly, I’ve never expressed an opinion within the “comments section” of any website, nor did I ever expect to. However, after reading your response to Dave F. (timestamped 12:13pm, November 1st), I wanted to provide some insight from a viewer’s perspective. Your response to Dave’s question was extremely powerful. God, I am sure as sh$t no TV producer, and while I understand “The Church of Scientology has refused to participate in this program” is highlighted by A&E on a weekly basis, your response to Dave F. needs to be said OUT LOUD. Not only does it answer some questions I’m sure many of us have (Dave included), but it pressures the Church. For those of you who have no idea of what I’m speaking of, please read Mike’s response to a Dave F’s question here:
We ask for their response to specific allegations for EVERY show. We ask for someone to appear on the show to represent the church’s perspective. For every show.
So, they know whose story is coming and generally what it is they are going to be talking about well in advance of the show airing.
We are not hiding anything. We are not afraid to tell them what is coming. The truth gives you great strength and certainty.
POWERFUL!!! Hope you consider it in some form moving forward. It needs to be said. It needs to be screamed!! Call them out!!.
Best wishes and keep doing what you are doing!!
Phil
Thank you Phil
I agree….say it out loud…. thank you again for your work. I tell everyone I know about this show.
“The truth gives you great strength and certainty.”
Mike and Leah, thank you.
Last night’s show had me crying too. These ladies are from my era and what they say is so true. I was “lucky” that I was a tad older at 15 when I was sent to CW in the mid ’70’s. And 40 years later the effects are still there in me/us. When your world is 24/7 for years at time in a cult- that’s all you know- you are shut off from the outside. But we were saving the planet!
I saw the conditions in CW at the back cabana nurseries, the filthy children’s “play area” by the big HVAP machine in the FH Garage. The over flowing RPF in their plywood “structural” on the 3rd floor FH garage. The roaches the rats the gross conditions- Lord of the Flies Cadet Org. The fire trap dorm rooms under the FH Lobby with 50 men on one side and 50 women (former hotel shower & locker rooms) on the other sleeping in 3 high bunk beds with no a/c and only one way in and out. The so called “school” for the under 16 crowd that was briefly around for PR purposes.
The baby boom occurred after coming off the ship which Mike was part of. That’s when the QI was bought out in hinder lands and they used broken down stinky bus/es for transportation. The families and children were put out there to be out of sight out of mind so as not to distract the parents with parenting while they worked their 100 hour week with a 2 hour dinner break to be with the kids. And when staff were moved out of the FH those spaces could be used to make money. Forgotten in the history is how cheap LRH was, even at the place where he was making the most money. Monies could have been allocated for better care and facilities for children. It wasn’t a priority for LRH. The CMO were the enforcers of Hubbard, under his command, even when he was hiding. HE was the one responsible. There would be no Miscavage with out Hubbard’s polices and that will continue after DM as well. It’s important to expose the current conditions and mad man currently running it- but don’t forget the roots and trunk of the tree is ALL Hubbard.
I know Chantal Dodson personally and I’m sure she remembers me, from a time I worked directly for her fiance’s family when they ran a business out of their home. I saw her a lot.
It so happens that was exactly the same time period that Chantal was re-recruited to the Sea Org. I am a firsthand witness and remember it well. I also knew Chantal from when she was in the SO previously.
All of Chantal’s statements are true.
Poor Chantal. 🙁 She was in love, and at first they were NOT going to join the Sea Org. Chantal didn’t want to go back. She’d had a rough time there and there were a few who seemed to enjoy humiliating and degrading her. She has a lot more stories than the ones she told.
Unfortunately, the SO recruiters got hold of her fiance (name intentionally omitted), and his father was on upper OT levels and worried about losing eligibility. They actually didn’t want him to join, especially the young man’s mother, but the father was threatened that he would lose eligibility for OT levels and much worse (his business was tangled in partnerships with many different Scientologists and if he was in ”bad standing,” he would go bankrupt.) The father buckled under and approved and supported his son joining the SO. Chantal’s fiance was naive and inexperienced and caught up in what was described as a noble, glamorous life. The father had doubts, but thought those were his reactive mind or undone OT levels, so worked even harder to support his son and his new wife joining the Sea Org. In truth, he and his wife were very sad about the whole thing.
I felt so bad for Chantal at the time. What an awful choice. Finally, she had a husband, she would have her own family, and once again, Scientology and the Sea Org was going to take that away. Sophie’s choice. Lose her husband and family all over again, or join with them. She did not want to go back.
Everything Chantal, Natalie and Mike Rinder said is absolutely true. I hope this bit of background helps, and I am so glad she is out and that they both came forward. Hi Chantal! Hi Natalie! I’m SO proud of both of you. <3
I totally believe the stories of Chantel and Sherry. This validation must feel really awesome for them though….not that they need it. You can see the truth in their eyes. Very cool post but very sad for this family’s experiences.
Thanks, Teen. Yes, they are obviously completely honest and their experiences were heartbreaking. I wanted Chantel to know I’m here to vouch for her.
I remember when she was getting fitted for her wedding dress, she wasn’t back in the Sea Org yet. She was so beautiful, so excited, and wanted a normal life and her own family so badly. My heart sunk when I heard they were going in the Sea Org together. There was no changing her husband’s mind. 🙁 Tragic.
“And: “Dodson’s cousin, Michael Graves, also recalled the pleasant childhood Chantal and her sister Natalie had. He said the sisters were always happy when they lived in Clearwater in the late 1970s, which he described as “like paradise.” ”
I’m a never in, but even I know that Chantal and her sister had to pretend to be happy even if they were miserable, because saying you are unhappy or acting like anything other than upstat will get you in serious trouble.
Yes, so happy Natalie was sent to the “children’s” RPF. It was just a barrel of laughs day in and day out.
And BTW, scientology confirmed she WAS sent to the RPF. Just tried to make it sound like a holiday camp.
How dumb is it to think that people can’t pierce through the church’s logic – even “scientologists in good standing” can see the gaping hole in its/miscavige’s reasoning – although they might not admit it.
Mary, there is no logic in Scientology. None. And, of course, there’s no reasoning with them. They’re right and that’s it.
There reasoning is like a Colander….ALL FULL OF HOLES
Mary…. This is equally baffling to me….
At some point, the people writing these “responses” just have to know how absurd this stuff really is. However, their hands seem to be tied for perhaps three reasons, in my opinion:
1. Miscavige is taking this all personally and demands that his cohorts viciously attack those who allege they’re victims of abuse (decent people actually listen to and are compassionate to victims). He might even be in on a lot of these lines of attack himself (50 bucks says he single-handedly came up with that whole “Just in time for Halloween, Leah Remini and A&E continue their religious witch hunt” bit and has been patting himself on the back all night like a kid for coming up with that “clever little zinger”).
2. They are unable to respond in any other way because of that whole “always attack, never defend” policy that Hubbard decreed, along with that “acceptable truth” (aka a flat-out lie) nonsense that they are required to follow.
3. Finally, and most importantly, I believe that they can’t respond to the actual allegations because deep-down, they know that what these people are saying is actually true. These things did happen, these people did suffer, and Scientology along with its practices & policies are, in fact, responsible for the devastation it has inflicted on the lives of these individuals.
It’s obvious that all they have left in their arsenal is to try to attack the character of the persons making these claims and try to talk about something else (ANYTHING else) other than the actual allegations. Any reasonable person (although “reasonableness” is considered “suppressive”) with half a brain can see through this ridiculous charade.
Yes to all 3. Though 1 and 2 are far greater motivations than 3. The people that write this shit are like Leah was with Sherry when she brought Stefan to meet her. They are brainwashed to believe this is all lies. I agree that deep down inside they know, but that is a tiny corner of a massive field of bs they have to navigate to get there….
These smear campaigns are aimed at the audience of Scientologists who may be curious enough to seek answers or validate their own experiences by searching the internet. This is done so as to prevent hemorrhaging of those considering leaving the “enterprise” especially the loss of financial funds they keep on reserve and the incremental lawsuits that may result from those who leave. That will also could affect their tax exempt status. Thank you for bringing the truth into the light. If you are able to reunite even one family or prevent further abuse or bring closure to those who need to heal then everything you’ve exposed is worth it. Free will is a right under our Constitution. Subverting democracy in the name of religion is what caused the founding of our nation. It cuts both ways, it entitles those who willingly choose to participate in organized “religion” to do so freely as long as they are not physically or psychologically harming or abusing others but it also should protect the innocent victims from physical, psychological or financial abuse. The bedrock of many of our institutions are the connections we have to family. I’m glad Leah and her friends have reconnected and that their relationship is bonded by the past, present and future. I think the courage to speak truth to power gives license to others to do the same…
Leah always appears sincere but her sincerity really jumped out at me in this episode. Those three ladies seem so genuine together and it’s wonderful that they had each other to lean on. Mike, I’m curious what your relationship with Chantal was like when you worked together. She was so incredibly happy to see you, it warmed my heart. Of course, hearing you talk about your children in the Sea Org, broke my heart.
Mike, If the rest of the world is wrong and Scientology is always right is it possible that all scientologists need their Grade IVs(making others wrong and self right) repaired?
Hey that might be a great way for Miscavige to get all members back in to redo yet another step on the Bridge To Total Serfdom.
Anyone with a BRAIN knows that the “smear” campaigns just, Justify all, everything, anything that these whistleblowers state.
Mike, I know its only for rebuttal and clarification but honestly its not even necessary. We get it, We see it. My love goes out to you ALL!
Thank you Courtney. I appreciate what you say.
I feel an obligation to come to the defense of those who appear on the show who have not had this sort of smear leveled at them. Even if they don’t feel the need to defend themselves, I feel it. Oddly, I don’t feel any need to respond to what they say about me — and I think it is easier for someone to speak (or write) in someone’s defense rather than the person being attacked trying to do so.
I want to give somewhere that any of our contributors can direct people should there be ANY question. People that may only casually know them might bring it up and they can simply direct them to my blog post. It’s why I also include the earlier posts where I lay out the policy of what makes scientologists act the way they do…
I have been watching the show from beginning. Mesmerized that this cult is still alive and kicking. Keep up the good fight, somebody has to help take them down or at the very least shine a light so no new members join. Heartbraking.
I’ve noticed that’s what you seemed to be doing, Mike and it IS powerful to have someone else defending you, but especially when it’s you. Then there’s the fact you are following up vs it being someone uninvolved in the show, not to mention the fact that it YOU doing it that definitely gives much more credibility to those courageous enough to share their stories.
I love your response, Mike. You are right, lies need to be called out and not left hanging for the curious to be influenced. These individuals, as well as you, have been left undefended long enough.
Mike one of the many powerful things said on the show is you validating Scientology’s accusing you of being a bad father. You said they are right …you were. So freeing to take responsibility for one’s mistakes and they are making your point for you! I hope somewhere, somehow, your children hear it, and get it, and reunite with you. Love what you’re doing Mike. You and Leah are incredible.
I find it unbelievable that a “church” would attack every former member . If these things didn’t happen, you would think they would be supporting former members so they could get help. Oh that’s right, they don’t believe anyone but them can help. I don’t ask why people leave, I ask why don’t they leave?
From now on if I discover a movie has even an extra in it that is a member of the Church of Scientology, I will not pay one penny to either go to the movie theater to see it or buy it to keep. I don’t care it the other actors are hurt in the action – collateral damage. I’m taking a stand.
Kathy Miller I agree. I will not watch one movie with a known scientologistn in it. I read that the last TomCruise movie did very poorly and he was upset. . Too bad. ,,I feel that any of the actors that condone the abusive acts going on in the church” especially towards children are as bad as the perpurtrators and just as responsible . It is like Paul , H. said if even ten percent of what he found out was true these fellow actors and people in the entertainment industry should be outraged with the church. But they aren’t They just want to protect the church. It shows us just what type of human bengs they are. They are no better than any pedophile or thief that steals money and destroys families. They deserve to be treated with disdain and disgust. Anyone that abuses a child or does nothing to stop it are the lowest of the low. So I Say to Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Jenna E., Kristie A. And the rest of you go screw yourselves. You,are dsgustng people and never will I Support your suppressive life style. ,
Well said!! This is my 2nd post today agreeing with not paying or watching anything with scientology actors. Maybe these actors will finally be able to see what’s really going on and break out of that bubble they’re living in.
I agree. I do not want one dime of mine going to Scientology and there’s a good chance that’s where it will end up if I financially support any actors in the cult.
As usual I waited till everybody went to bed to watch the show. Another soul wrenching hour for sure…I so wish the episodes were two hours long so you could really go in-depth with your guests. The scene I found most touching was when you walked through the door and Chantal hugged you so hard and started to cry…. my heart just aches for her because you were like a father figure to her and she seemed to have missed you so very much… so I was bawling within the first two minutes. So much time wasted, so many families that will never get those years back. As a parent I don’t know how you can justify giving away and missing out on the lives of the most precious gift that God will ever give you and that is your children. How can you sign over custody of your child and just disappear from their lives? I’m so glad that Leah and her friends are now back together and can hopefully make new memories but I am sad for all the time that they missed. Please give Leah a hug for me and a big hug to you too it must be so emotionally draining for these people to come forward but we are so very very grateful that they did. This is not a church. The word church denotes someplace where you can go to be loved and appreciated and to share your faith with like-minded people to enrich your life and nourish your soul. Scientology is the opposite of that you are not loved, you are not appreciated and although you are with like-minded people they steal your life and crush your soul. It has to come to an end.
Gail – I agree totally. This is not a church! I wish the word “cult” was used every time in lieu of “church”. That would be powerful.
“Cult” is the word WE use, Susan Marshall, and it is also the word most people use to DESCRIBE if not name, this organization. Legally, in the US, Co$ is a church, but its claim to being an actual church in the minds and hearts of the majority has been tenuous at best and at worst a complete joke.
Well…that’s the description I use. CULT! And a vicious one at that.
Always the same statement “The Church Challenges The Credibility”…….& then statements are made about the “incompetency” of those who made the statements & why they are “ex communicated”.
Yet….in hindsight NO ONE from “the Church” steps forward in person to actually make a credible statement about what those interviewed have stated about their time on the inside of the “organization”
Bald faced liars they all are….the adults & the now adults who were children having lived in this environment……yet their very own COB, the supposed head of this organization hides himself behind his team of lawyers so he can’t be sued for lying himself. He seemingly refuses to protect what is HIS….more or less is it that “everything is compartmentalized & I have no idea who is doing what to who”….so that is his veil of protection??? Simply put, make it all go away by shoving It in a drawer & slamming it shut never to see the light of day. The problem IS, that those interviewed have lit the candles that are glowing more and more brightly each & every week we hear a new story….shining light on the TRUTH.
No one believes that any of this happened, no one believes what these young people have spewed forth…they’ve made it all up so that the organization looks bad. They’ve NOT been abused, neglected, forgotten…they’ve been “well fed, well cared for etc….but THEY don’t think they were & that’s all that really matters. If none of this is true, why have there been so many repetitious stories all in the same vein of their former life…….beaten, not enough food, living in substandard housing, no emotional support, no love…NO PARENTS because they’re too busy & unconcerned about their own children so they can “complete LRH’s mission” for the organization…..at the cost of their children’s emotional & physical needs.
Ahhh….life goes on within the clampire where all is glorious, wonderful, terrific, where you should NOT have children IF you want to “be in the Sea Org” & move up that Bridge to nowhere & IF you DO have children…you should push them aside as if they don’t exist….leave others to raise them….OR let them raise themselves or each other……Parenting is NOT that important…only that damned bridge is….too sad.
Mike,
For what it’s worth, in the late 1960’s, in the Los Angeles Org there were 4 or 5 married couples who worked either the day or the foundation org. They had enough money to get by and ‘do good works’ in their org posts. All now in the past.
Your, and Leah’s, efforts are striking a chord in the USA society that leaves the church naked in the light and powerless to fight the truth. Success to you both.
Their dystopia is crumbling, finally.
Jim,
No worries, I got your intended meaning loud and clear!
That said, just saying: its the the cult’s dystopia that’s solidifying, and its utopia crumbling. 🙂
I am very happy, Mike, that you started doing a tear-down of the church’s responses. Even though we and the “real world” know and can logically glean for ourselves how insane they are, I’m glad you’re throwing it back at them/it/him/the church.
I noticed Nathan Rich created a site about his aunt that spoke out against him as a whois(name of aunt) site, which I thought was clever as hell and should be done. I have GOT to talk to Nathan about creating a whoisBenKugler website (Ben Kugler is the flying monkey that the church trotted out to speak out against me). It’ll be a hoot.
Oh Golly, what a smashing idea. Every person who speaks out in lies against the truth ought to have their own, “whois” site, only these can be written without the hysterics and simply lay out the bald facts with the evidence that Mike and Leah so brilliantly blazon across the screens.
Let’s see how they like it. Show them how a grown up does it.
“you want to sit and blather lies from the OSA script in misguided defense of your ‘eternity’? you want your name on a hate site? Great, here you go! You too can be internet known”.
Bravo.
Hey Mary, contact me on facebook if you’re serious. https://www.facebook.com/facenathanrich
And maybe a whoisdavidmiscavige site.
Just think of it. A single, easy to access website that states truthfully the demented mind and violence of David Miscavige.
And while your at it:
WhoisLRonHubbard website. All of his lies and insanity one click away.
It certainly will expedite people’s research. Aftermath is creating a whole society of people with questions.
These two sites would certainly make it easy to research.
Excellent, Nathan! The site for your aunt was awesome. Her behavior is/was abhorrent.
And, I laughed my butt off when I saw at the bottom copyright: “Xenu International”. Still chuckling over that.
I haven’t watched last night’s episode yet, but definitely looking forward to it. I wanted to make a comment about all the sexual assault/abuse allegations in Hollywood lately and how swift that culture seems to be in ousting those accused and how the media latches on to these stories and reports them over and over again – even before any “guilty” verdict in a court of law. This post is not intended to support or defend the people being accused. Throughout your incredible documentary many abuse allegations have come froward and yet the media is not latching on to them and bringing them to the news they are reporting. And we are talking about abuse of children!!!!! What the hell is wrong with the media? They should be all over the abuses going on in this so called church. They did it with the Catholic Church, why aren’t they getting near this fake church and all the abuses within it? Same with the authorities, government etc.
A&E changed programming times for new episodes so I’ll watch sometime today…sounds like another excellent show. Keep up the good work!
Yea and now my DVR tapes the 9:00 “NEW” show (which is not new) and not the 10:00 ACTUAL new show. And even though I just keyed in to record the 10:00 it didn’t do it. It won’t air again til next week.
So, can someone send me a link to the show last night?
https://rutube.ru/video/ade39342510d6f9ce1e34c68a72a0148/
Still trying to come to grips with last weeks “round table” and now this??? They must not think much of us who have been watching from episode one! My heart breaks for those telling their stories yet on the other hand I’m thinking; these CoS people are f#%*^#% delusional!!! I have no words…..,
What really shows up is the utter “sameness” of all their attacks. Illogical, irrational, utterly disconnected from any reality. Worse yet, clearly showing the same words being endlessly repeated. I would think that even those still in might begin to wonder how very IDENTICAL all the claims are. But closed minds tend to remain closed.
I think the real gift of Leah & Mike’s show is not so much how many scios actually leave; but how many POTENTIAL new members simply never sign on, don’t read scio books or take the phony “Oxford” test. And since all the current member consider non-members – the public – to be “wogs”, they will less and less desire to disseminate, knowing that they will be unable to answer the questions being thrown at them by an ALREADY educated group of people on the subject of scientology. It’s a lose-lose situation for the czerch.
And note, too, that the major press STILL has not begun any large attacks. What happens when *THAT” takes place?
” What really shows up is the utter “sameness” of all their attacks. Illogical, irrational, utterly disconnected from any reality.”
That is the only play Dave has Peter. He is a rat caught in a small corner; He cannot sue because the truth will be told (Debbie Cook), He cannot appear in public (because His own deeds will be discussed, He cannot have anyone speak to the press for the cherch because there is no one left other than Himself,He can lash out via statements to the press ………….
And He can spend $$$$ from His war chest on new empty ideal morgues and yank ribbons all the while flying staff from one grand opening to another.
Those are His only tools in the shed.
Yo Dave,
Not to worry good buddy …………… things are about to get much much worse for You! And I’m here to help ……………… that occur. It’s Wednesday Dave, last full day of slave production before Thursday at too; too much, too late and too bad Dave. Your stats are down in all areas except BAD PR. Take a bow and pour another one.
Totally agree! Leah and Mike’s Cult Busters series has served to inoculate millions against this virulent, killer meme disease, so that by now almost everyone who’s been watching it knows that, “Friends don’t let friends do $cn…NOT EVER!” and parents now know to keep their kids far, far away from any contact with cult recruiters.
With no new sheeple to fleece and no new cult slaves to staff their Idle Morgues, the cult’s demise is all but assured. We’re merely working to bring about that ultimate collapse sooner, rather than later.
The Aftermath is the tiny tyrant’s slow motion perp walk, with the Ghost of Elron being dragged in chains behind him. Time to say buh-bye, killer cult, we’re clearing the planet of your diabolical evil at 47X the rate it’s ever occurred before 😉
Why can we not have little Davey banned from international trips, on the no-fly list. The dude is a criminal. Just sayin………
Ok, now I gotta say it. I love you Harpoona Frittata, for your biting wit, and ability to always cut to the chase.
😉
Hello Mike and posters:)
Just watched the episode and I cried like a baby. And the cliffhanger at the end – I am HOPING it means that Chantal’s mum is doing the right thing.
I am following these lovely ladies on twitter now, as a means of supporting their journey.
Thankyou Mike and Leah
xxxx
The fact that you all continue to share your heart wrenching stories knowing what fall out will follow, is plain proof, to anyone with even an ounce of common sense, that they are true. Very basic fact I was taught as a child & I teach my daughter. If your the only one in the room saying your right, and everyone else is saying your wrong……get the hell out of the room Scientology!! Everyone of you are brave!!! Even the people who did go back a time or even two before finally walking away. Toxic relationships aren’t easy to walk away from.
$cientology is the disease. Critical thinking is the cure!
J J…….Amen Brother!
Hey! I know! Let’s stand outside of Idle Morgues & when members/staff come out, simply say to them, “Have you ever heard of Critical Thinking.”
That’s a good idea, OSD.
I don’t even need to read any scientology comment or website or letter, they all say the same thing “That’s a lie. She’s lying. That’s not true. They’re lying. He’s lying. That’s a lie. That’s a lie. That’s a lie…” Do they not see how ridiculous they sound by denying EVERYTHING. I mean why not just ONCE say, “That happened and is unfortunate but we’ve done blah blah blah to correct it.” Then they might be a little bit more believable…well maybe not believable but at least a little less ridiculous sounding…
Mike, if scientologists aren’t supposed to go on the web or view any “anti-scientology” anything, how is it that they are staying so up to date on Leah’s show…are there high up scientologists that are allowed to watch it? How are they not affected by the show? Back when you were in scientology, what would you have been thinking as you watched Leah’s show?
Who cares wha Scientology has to say
Because it’s fun watching their downfall!
Guild the turd….that sums it up! Lol
You have a Guilded turd? How much you want for it?
I wouldn’t worry too much about the totally ludicrous statements the church issues. They consistently sound like deranged five year olds with a very limited grasp of syntax and vocabulary. Anyone can see that, quite laughable really.
It’s not about worrying about it – but to report and document it.
The rebuttals of the CoS are not credible as they claim that the former members who describe their experiences would always lie and as you said, nobody outside the Sci-bubble believes (it’s made mainly for those still inside). They also claim that former members who left or even fled and escaped got kicked out and would have been also not up to ethical standards; and this even after years and even decades of being good enough and as staff members having gone through screenings to fulfill high standards.
What they do with the smear sites doesn’t even make sense. They would be more credible when at least once in a while they would apologize and say that they are sorry that the former members had experienced such. But they can’t because it is against ‘church’ policy to do so. Thus they lie and accuse the victims of lying.
They sure talk from the side of their neck, The come across as truthless idiots.
Congratulations to those women for having the guts to tell the truth .
Great job, Mike and Leah on tonight’s show. Even if only one family is reunited, it will have been worth it!
“The high ethical standards of scientology”… Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The whole world knows, the mask is off. Scientology is exposed and, man, is it UGLY.
So what dwindling population of members in scientology will buy these video smears hook line and sinker? Are these members the lowest IQ Thetans on the planet? Because everyone else sees right through it.
Well, those still “in” with any functioning brain matter most certainly have doubts by this stage of the game.
(Oh, nice attendance in Amsterdam, Dave Miscavige. You’re knocking ’em out of the park.)
A VERY well written post – and NO, I am not surprised. I have caught up with my episodes (as in Australia, we are very behind). I have not watched this one yet. But if it’s anything like the Mimi/Nathan/Tara/Christi episodes (forgive me if I have left anyone behind), then I will prepare myself for another soul destroyer.
Mike… what a clown. 2 replies
After watching tonights show it left me feeling so cold. I am truly sorry that this so-called religion has so scarred these women (and so many others) that they blame themselves for every thing that goes wrong in their lives including illness; There are Evangelicals that do this also so they are not alone. Being Catholic I can’t imagine how it must feel. I was brought up to know a loving God and a nurturing church, nothing like that ever, ever..
All my love and prayers are with you all and I know God will bless you, Mike, for all you are doing.
Interesting – they trotted out the exact same “500 threats, including death threats” after the 2008 Anon demonstrations. The figure never changes. They had absolutely no evidence then either.
Copy/paste much?
It’s that newfangled ‘flexible’ math that they use whenever calculating anything like membership numbers, audience numbers, volunteer ministers…heck, pretty much everything.
So pathetically deluded.
Jefferson, you’re absolutely correct. They just pull these numbers out of their collective asses. And it’s ALWAYS 500 threats! You’d think they would change it up a bit.
Like at least add 1 or 2 a day…like their petition!
Could it be that 500 is their go-to number for amount of threats, etc., against them because of the Indie Scientologist 500? Oh, well, best not to overthink this. More likely its basic stupidity, laziness and lack of staff on the cult’s part.
Dirt on Mike Graves could easily be broadcast. A nice whoismikegraves site could be up in a snap, just like Nathan Rich’s aunt’s site, whoissharonrich. I wonder how he’d like to be on the receiving end? These people should be sure they are squeaking clean before they start slinging mud.
If someone has dirt on him, AND proof to back it up, they should definitely do that. No one should play Scientology’s game of spewing proofless accusations though.
I agree that we should put up “Who Is ___” sites on the people who are spewing their lies. But we will be different in that we will tell the truth about these people and have proof to back it up. Let’s do it.
I am sure anyone making these spurious claims is pressured in some way, maybe just the usual Scn brainwashing. They deserve to get pressure from outside Scn to be truthful, maybe at some point it will help free them, if done without malice (which only brings forth denial and anger).
As for disconnection, what is not mentioned is that in the real world people disconnect from their self-determined ‘suppressives’ all the time. The just don’t make a big deal of it, and don’t have an army of snitches waiting to rat them out for any future contact.
Yes. If we can put pressure from the outside on these people not to lie and to either tell the truth or if nothing else, just to say nothing, maybe these stooges would start refusing DM when he asks them to smear people with lies. They should get to see ow it feels to have a hate smear site put up against them, which is what they are doing to others.
The work you and Leah do is so important! I think anyone who follows the series knows that the “church” of Scientology lies about everything. Their smear tactics against these women are just another example of their sleaziness. Keep fighting the good fight!!!
I wonder if the CO$ members that watch these attack videos will start to notice that they all say the same thing and wonder what REALLY is said on the shows. I think their attack videos with their vague generalities and name calling would make me curious and wonder what is the fuss about and I might secretly watch the show for a few minutes or read some websites. I hope that is so for many members. Can’t wait to hear of more people being free.
The Truth Hurts Soc & sad there so Petty to bash ppl for the Truth which IMO looks worse on them for acting so childish who would wanna join any “religion” who can’t show up in person but only send same Lame letters trying to discredit anyone & everyone who has a Brain Don’t ask it’s Wrong do as I say that’s it,smh. Hi Mike hope all’s well w you & your family…