Scientology files kept on people
This comes from another of the entirely inappropriately titled scientology internet fronts, the “Truth Newsroom”.
This thing, with no names or identities associated, not even the word scientology – is clearly an OSA operation.
They send out a constant stream of material taken from former Sea Org members’ files.
They put one out from one of my confessions that I felt bad about lying as if this was some sort of proof that I was lying today — it made no sense as I said this when I was still the International Spokesperson for scientology and I continued to be that. But the point is not whether it was effective, but the fact that they used this information at all.
And here is another even more blatant one from the files they kept on Jefferson Hawkins.
The issue is not the content of these confessions. It is the fact they are disclosed in an effort to smear/intimidate/harass those who once believed this information was given in a religious setting and would remain so.
For anyone who does not know, scientology keeps files on everything and everyone. This is a wonderful tool for them, but also a massive liability. More on that in a minute.
When it suits their purpose, scientology uses the information they accumulate from people’s confessions with no concern for the sanctity of the information that might have been disclosed. Preclear and ethics files are “culled” to find “buttons” and “damaging admissions” (though they don’t seem to realize that the disclosure of such things make THEM look bad, not the former members).
But as soon as someone wants copies of the files (or even to have them destroyed) — whether an individual, a civil litigant or even law enforcement, suddenly they are the holiest of cows that may never be touched by the hands of man. They are suddenly and vigorously asserted to be “priest-penitent privileged material” and to turn them over would be the most heinous crime against their “fundamental and sacred religious beliefs.” Of course, in this sort of context, when I bring this up, scientology has a whole different story. There are all sorts of caveats based on the names and significance they give to this information. Some they designate “confessional” which is started with a statement “I am not auditing you”, some is designated “Ethics reports”, some are “non-actionable” some are “actionable.” The word salad is typical scientology subterfuge. When it suits them (as in the information would disclose crimes or prove claims made against them) it is inviolate “priest-penitent” material and when they think it might help them they have a bunch of terms they use to justify why it’s OK and NOT a violation of priest-penitent privilege to be disclosing it. Really, they don’t give a damn — if it’s going to help them and destroy an enemy, its all good.
The Laura DeCrescenzo civil case was a perfect example. She asked for her pc and ethics folders to be produced in her civil case because they contained evidence that supported the claims she made about enforced abortions and being suicidal among other things. Scientology fought like banshees to avoid turning ANYTHING over (because it was so damaging) and tried to hide behind their “religious rights”. They took it all the way to the US Supreme Court (and ultimately lost).
Scientology is SO concerned about the need to control these folders they make every person who participates in scientology sign an agreement that the person has absolutely no right to their files, that they are owned by the church and remain church property in perpetuity. I am not sure anyone has ever challenged this in court (I don’t think Laura had signed such a document in the Sea Org but maybe she did). The truth is (as all the Courts that reviewed it in Laura’s case agreed) that in scientology there are a LOT of people who have access to the information you provide them, tens if not hundreds. It’s not truly confidential in any definition of the word. Scientology could not convince anyone that when 250 different people had access to Laura’s files that the information was being held as confidential. Scientology of course screamed “discrimination” because they are “new” and that the law was designed for the Catholic church, but no court agreed.
But, scientology loudly pronounces that it always keeps the information confidential — here is the FAQ page from scientology.org responding to this very question:
Another of the self-serving lies scientology foists off on the public and asserts to those signing up to participate…
It’s only afterwards you discover this was never in fact true. But they keep on saying it.
“They put one out from one of my confessions that I felt bad about lying as if this was some sort of proof that I was lying today”
Isn’t it a good thing that as a general rule you do feel bad about lying?
I’d rather praise you than keep your head underwater.
Different lives exist. A yes or a no to $cientology.
What, where and who makes it?
” THE Auditor’s code requires a minister to never use the secrets divulged by a parishioner in an auditing session. The information given in trust during an auditing session by a parishioner to a minister is considered sacrosanct by the Church and Church ministers. All such information is kept *strictly confidential* by a scientology minister and the church.” BUT sec checks aren’t auditing sessions, as warned by the “I’m not auditing you.” at the start of session. Of course the PC doesn’t really notice as everything ELSE about the session IS about auditing and they’ve already slipped into the light hypnosis required in session. SMH, I can’t honestly think of a SINGLE thing about scientology which isn’t a lie of some sort.
My initial scan for weasel-wording turns up the obvious omission, that the nominal “Auditor’s Code” only prohibits “a minister” from using “the secrets divulged” – not others. And even for a “minister” – and perhaps specifically only the “minister” who conducted the session – it depends on how Scientology (re-)defines “use” and “confidential.” What I actually find on Scientology’s website is:
“22. I promise never to use the secrets of a preclear divulged in session for punishment or personal gain.”
That doesn’t even say anything about “confidential” – and certainly doesn’t preclude the secrets being used by others. Typical for Hubbard’s supposed codes, it craftily and cynically leaves enough ambiguity to drive a truck through, while giving the superficial appearance of being rigorous.
And then, of course, you’re right, no holds are barred in sec checks. There are many reports that Scientology now specifically tries to get people to repeat in sec checks, particular salacious or damning confessions identified in culling the records of auditing sessions, so that they can use that information but maintain the legal or PR pretense that it wasn’t from an auditing session.
As far as the rest of the quote you cite, the next point of likely scientological weaseling that occurs to me, is that the DSA – the OSA operative on site – could be claimed only to be assigned to the local “Church” and not actually part of it, and not to be a “minister,” and so not subject to the confidentiality provisions they’re claiming. Scientology seems to use that sort of hair-splitting and equivocation to justify what they do to themselves, and internally; and they definitely make such seemingly disingenuous and pedantic arguments when it comes to legal matters.
The CofS really is a church created by lawyers. Someone would need to have a fairly sharp attorney along with them, to figure out what Scientology actually claiming – or not – and what the implications of all their documents actually are. That’s probably also one of the reasons that lawyers are one of the many rigorously trained professions now rarely found represented in Scientology’s ranks – someone familiar with legalistic word tricks would recognize right off what is actually going on.
Why are we surprised? scientology lies, must lie, can’t not lie because it’s their ‘scripture’, never to be violated — even when telling the real truth is in their best interests. But they can’t THINK about such things; that would be REASONABLE– the exercise of Reason – which is specifically forbidden in KSW.
And I just thought of something else: can you IMAGINE Catholic priests being videotaped while hearing confessions? To make sure that they’re doing it properly? Catholics, without their awareness or permission, being covertly filmed in the confession booths, with everything they say on tape…can you imagine if RC did this to its people, what the backlash would be. Of course they never would. But the concept of the Confessional – its intensely private, however its done… Ok, I’m still gobsmacked but I’ll stop.
Scamology Axiom #1 – If Hubtard or another CoS Executive is communicating, they are lying.
One of the biggest red-flags and probably my biggest “aha” turning point moment in Scientology was when I read the Freedom Mag that contained all of yours and Marty’s transgressions – in your own handwriting. Talk about a foot bullet! I was horrified and realised they would stoop to ANYTHING to “get their man”. Including divulging sacrosanct parishioner information. Within a year I was gone from the place and a scant year later I was declared. Hallelujah!
Mike…you don’t need to post this but I was wondering why my posts cannot be seen for corrections while “awaiting moderator” anymore. When I post, it disappears until you have approved it… I must have missed a notice or something. Thanks!
Didnt realize this — asked admin to see what changed…
I always believed that, this break of confidentiality with its parishioners would be the downfall of this cult. Surely, one should be able to sue for this action alone but coupled with all the evidence of atrocious behavior towards ex-parishioners…surely, what more is needed?
Mike,
If they testified in a court of law that the materials were part of the churches private property and were part of their “priest-penitent” privilege, then they may have inadvertently broken several laws by releasing these files. One, it could be proven -PROVEN -that they lied under oath- if they testified to a privilege ( testifying that the church doesn’t releases the material) then used the material in a public forum, then that is res ipsa loquitur (the thing speaks for itself), and is something that could be used to show that they knowingly lied. Maybe a lawyer would be in order to look at the statutes and see if there is a chargeable action which would create the felony conviction which would revoke religious tax ecempt status….
While they pay their lawyers too much for them to do a legal blunder on the same trial like estoppel. It could be argued that they set a precedent that the files are not considered confidential by repeatedly breaking said confidentiality when it suits them, property of the church or not. You can’t claim priest-penitent privilege if the files are not treated as confidential.
Also it could be argued that privilege falls apart when you have multiple individuals with access to these files.
Kat La Rue: It could very well be the lynch pin to ending their reign of terror and lies!
Kat, unfortunately Hubturd wrote a policy that created a loophole large enough to fly a planet through. It was if a tech person decided that some sin was revealed during auditing in order for the person to avoid punishment then that info could be made public knowledge and the person sent to ethics for punishment.
They would simply cite that scripture in any defense.
That’s unfortunate. However, if they claimed the privilege and testified that it was never used in a public forum like the internet, (that it was only used in the church itself to check ethics- and the public they refer to is the parishioners and not “actual public”, it might not matter due to the teatimony that it IS privileged. It would depend on the actual testimony given, I can try to find the court records on Westlaw. It would be dependent on their definition of “public” and why they were trying to keep the records from the individual who brought the case (did they publish anything from those records on the internet or not).
Always had a query, I don’t know if this has an answer but apart form the dirty tricks slander the Cof$ engages upon by using PC folder data to smear someone, but if it was ever challenged for its authenticity, surely the validity of the folder and its information can be brought into question? The PC never once touches, nor is ever allowed to read their folders, let alone sign them as being a true and accurate occurrence of events. The person, ie the “auditor” has no recognized qualifications except being so called trained in Scientology’s secret doctrines. Also, there is a chain of people with access to that folder within their organizations anyway, CSs, DofPs, other auditors, execs etc. Seems to me, the Cof$ runs the risk of being easily accused of fabricating evidence. If a recording was ever produced, that would even be worse for them as it openly violates the priest penitent if ever produced.
It sure does seem like using that folder information could bite them back badly one day. I could imagine what a good attorney would do in cross examination of an auditor’s ability to accurately write information as fast as person speaks, and in a shorthand too, generally only recognized by trained Scientologists.
Using the folder data is a bedrock betrayal and indicative of the actual value of Scn.
When I was getting onto VII, it was transparently obvious that they had culled my folders and pulled out anything particularly eye catching in my sexual history and had me talk about it in the “Non-Auditing” Sec Check – so that then it could be included in the KRs.
Mind you, we didn’t RUN this stuff, because I laughed it off, there was no charge on it, old news. Old stuff I hadn’t been ashamed of in the first place… (it’s just sex in fun places, people, move along!)
When the EO then showed me the Session KRS, I again laughed it off, but also closely questioned WHY it was even in the KR, as the things hadn’t been run as O/W, E/S to FN. It was just “checked” for charge and then I was asked for more info on each instance, even with me saying in session, that there was no need, I had been over this stuff before a bunch of times.
When I was going over this with the EO, it struck me that they just wanted the data in an “actionable” form. That was the only thing that bugged me about it. I had “nothing on it” and could talk openly anyway about it… but…why are you guys wanting to move this info into the non-private realm?
What’s up with THAT?
It made me distrust motives in a tiny fashion, but sadly, I just shrugged it off as another Out Tech thing, that would eventually be fixed. LRH said that it’ll all come right, and I believed him. I was on the side of Good.
O/T. I cross-posted about this yesterday. I made a new tweet and am cross-posting again because there has been a new development. It turns out Sister Sadiyah Karriem is a significant person in the Nation of Islam because she speaks both on behalf of Minister Farrakhan and to the Nation.
Nation of Islam Sister Sadiyah Karriem has attained the Scientology religious State of Clear.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/1100223526408196096
ESMB: http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/members-of-the-nation-of-islam-are-practicing-the-religion-of-scientology.43362/page-41#post-1200376
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If it ain’t cruel and inhumane – it is NOT Scientology. Revealing a person’s private information by a “church” is one more reason to yank that tax exempt status.
We heard that new bill boards are going up next door to the Ideal Morgues across the land.
“Bring your bank account and a list of your transgressions and come on in to the
Ideal Paradoxical Church of $cientology – where help becomes betrayal.”
Well, it’s impossible that virtually every cult member doesn’t recognize the lies, but their brainwashing tells them it’s all for the greater good. That, and their fear because they know what will happen to them if they tell the truth.
Re-reading Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear. What an amazing book. Just my opinion, but Tom Cruise is an actor in his greatest science fiction role, super hero, saving the world, and desperately wants to believes it’s all real. I feel sorry to John Travolta, who through his beliefs, again just my opinion, let the cult take over the care of his beautiful son which led to his death. They took him off the meds he needed and look what happened, look at what seems to be a well orchestrated cover up. I even feel sorry for Kirstie Alley.
Again, just my take on all this, but David Miscavige upped the anti when LRH died, LRH was a seedy greedy carnie con man, David Miscavige took it to the next level of also being a pimp (a spoiled arrogant amoral pimp). You don’t leave him, don’t take away his personal income, without paying a big price.
Peggy, I agree about Travolta. If he recognizes the truth now he’ll realize what it has cost him. He can’t see it or it will destroy him. I wonder if he will EVER see the truth?
I wonder if Travolta knows how DM threw him under the bus for the failure of that Battlefield Earth movie.
Why DID you watch it so many times? As if you can ever be an actual filmmaker. The reason why we’re here is not to be victims in life, in court, in happiness, in fatness.
Peggy L – great post !
“LRH – a seedy greedy carnie con man”
Perfect description of L Ron Hubbard.
When I first learned about the ‘auditing’, I knew it was just a way of getting Scientologists to spill their guts in weak moments so they could be blackmailed later if they ‘got out of line’. No wonder Cruise and Travolta toe the mark. They’re must plain scared.
But surely anything you say to an auditor can’t be proven as true. You can always just say you were making stuff up to have fun and screw with the auditor.
It’s not like you said anything under oath. I would think people have very little to be afraid about what they said in an auditing session.
There may be a few exceptions like maybe someone famous might have said something that – True or Not – they would be afraid of the consequences if it were published. But they could always just deny it and say “Prove It”!
If you think that is lying, just take a page from CO$ and tell them it ain’t lying. You are just trying to “help” them.
How is it going with any EU exes asking for their files via GDPR requests? Anyone tried yet
During my protracted exit from Scn, my local MAA had me read Marty’s SP Declare. She sat across from me to answer any questions I may have. Half way through, I told her “This is session data”, her response was to shrug her shoulders.
Afterwards, I told her that this single act would destroy the church, and undermine auditing. If one is aware of the church’s actions, how could they possibly be “in session”?
@statpush. I’m surprised you weren’t unceremoniously ushered out the door after that statement. The truth always makes them know for a fact that you are a flaming SP.
You read my mind with that comment, Valerie.
I wish people would read my mind. It would be shocking, but, what the Hell.
I read all of the Mickey Spilanne works. Does that qualify?
as an EO, I could see replying that it was from O/W write ups, which are NOT session data. It’s ethics and can be put in a GoldenRod.
From my understanding of the billion little rules and policies, the only thing that is session data is stuff you say in session that has never been written up as an O/W, put on a life history, or appeared in a KR somewhere by someone. It has to have been JUST said in an HGC session, non-actionable.
That’s why they have all kinds of tricks to get the o/w talked about in an o/w write up or Sec Check, so it moves it to fair game territory.
Then it’s all a matter of, “well, if you’re truly clean, you can’t be hurt”.
…..
Thing is, Never Ins don’t know the hair-splitting policies and tech, …and the write-ups sound like crazy forced gun to head confessions of megalomaniac delusions of cause and effect.
I was approached by a Reg an hour after a session in which I confessed I had a boat load of money hidden away that I wasn’t telling anyone of. She pushed me hard and when I told her I had no money she replied; “I know if you look hard enough you’ll find it”. I held my ground and after she walked away it dawned on me that she’d seen the video and audio recording of that session and was trying to use the knowledge to bilk me for more $$$$. Priest Penetant confidentiality? Yeah, right!
Wow!
Hi Aqua,
At Flag there is a “look in system” exists. Cameras in every auditing room. Know it is in use because an Examiner once showed me footage where a floating needle was missed. So suspect there are digital files stored along with all the paper records from sessions.
Wow x 100! Soooo thankful I never made it to Flag. For ALL the years I was in, I either didn’t have the money, or, I had money but just couldn’t get away because there was no one to run the business. For decades it ALWAYS worked out that way and what a YUUGE outpoint this was considered by staff to be, btw! “Why was I always putting up these barriers?” I thought it wrong of me also! Why indeed had every long term Scientologist I knew been to Flag except me?
But now, what a blessing in disguise. The idea of being filmed, covertly, while being audited…shudderworthy. I can’t even conceive of it. Forgive my possible naivete but this is a shocking intrusion on a private interaction between auditor and PC No WONDER people who went there got fucked up! And angry afterwards. Wow, I’d have been FURIOUS to find this out! I’m furious now, just thinking about this happening to others who sat there pouring out their innermost thoughts and secrets, in total trust, not knowing they were being filmed! Incredible. Just…well just I have no words for how harmful, how deceitful, for what an enormous betrayal of trust this kind of “auditing” is. Shame on Flag. They’re disgusting. OMG.
Flag was promoted as being the “mecca of technical perfection”. I wound up going there because I wasn’t getting results at any of the orgs I’d been going to. I figured the tech must be “out” in these outer orgs (is that why they are called ‘outer orgs’? ha, ha, ha) and I thought Flag was my only hope.
When I first saw the camera in my auditing room I reasoned it was only for recording what the auditor was doing. You know, catch mistakes so they can be corrected. I was surprised to learn the auditors I was given were students, not fully trained and experienced. But wait! I was paying big bucks for services but got auditors in training. I pitched a bitch and got a couple of their top, fully trained, long term auditors. Very nice women but sadly, still I didn’t get what I wanted in results and so walked out.
I later read reports of Tom Cruise’s auditing reports being read by David Miscarriage and some of his buddies and recalled that reg cycle I mentioned earlier and concluded nothing is sacred in this cult. Nothing. Well no, from everything I’ve experienced there I know for sure Money is worshiped and held sacred for sure.
During my time at Flag I was routinely hit on by routine staff as well as my auditors. In some instances my auditor would wait at the Examiner and as soon as I got out she’d hit me up for a donation. Yep, my auditor. The same person I trusted in confidence. This added to the list of thing that weighed in favor of my leaving. Honestly, it became abundantly clear from everything I witnessed in my time there that the almighty dollar is the ONLY thing that matters to these fools.
And so I wised up and walked out, for good! I was DONE. I was OUT. I was CAUSE over my life now! And it felt SO, SO, fucking GOOD it is making me smile to remember it all and to tell you dear Aqua. So, be infinitely glad you never went there yourself.
Glenn
Scn even admitted that they were releasing PC folder data when they took binders full of private data to the Tampa Bay Times in an effort to quash “The Truth Rundown” expose in 2009.
Every time David Miscavige comes up with an idea, it backfires on him, he just doesn’t get it. He reminds me more and more of Super Dave every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjjhgp9E5W0
Super Dave had a sense of humor. I miss him.
Little Dave has none. I will certainly not miss him ever.
@Peabody, I agree, Super Dave laughed at himself and encouraged us to laugh along. David Miscavige has these ideas which he thinks are super duper but which appear super daveian (yes that’s a word, I just made it up so I know), to anyone who doesn’t have blinders on.
The other difference is that Super Dave did his own stunts. david miscavige allows others to be damaged by his stunts while pretending that if they had done it right, it would have worked.
I’m going to propose super-Daveian be adopted by Webster’s and Oxford English Dictionary as a new word! Lol
Kat: “Super-Davian” won’t make it in the dictionary until it gets wide usage, which requires a pithy definition. Though I’ve been reading the thread carefully, I have a basic MU on who/what “super Dave” is, so I’m missing the connection to anything.
I think DM is just following Hubbard’s playbook: pull an idea out of somewhere and convince yourself it’s genius, and when it predictably turns out to be an unworkable turd, blame subordinates and/or outside forces. The fact that he’s surrounded by others like him, uneducated true believers with shortcomings in their critical thinking faculties (after anyone capable has already left) doesn’t help.
That’s my take on it, too! He’s just flinging shit until something sticks…and blame others when it slides down the wall..
Except without the comedy or any attempt at comedy.
Sometimes I think the best way to get to that creature is to have him see many people laughing at him. That would probably just (in Mike’s words): “drive him CRAZY”.
I know this is all just a charade in the end. But I do want to note that apparently Scientology takes it seriously enough – presumably to try to keep up the legal fictions that are now being demolished – that they’ve reportedly used the tactic of trying to get individuals to later confess material in “confidential” auditing folders, in sessions like security checks where they’ve abrogated confidentiality rights, so that they can then use the material as they have in this example, and pretend as if no confidences have been violated.
It all just shows how devious, unethical and amoral, Scientology really is, because no organization with any sort of scruples would publicize information like this, regardless. It’s unfortunate that Scientology can get away with it, and I think reflective of how, in the US, we’ve allowed large corporations the sort of free rein that we would be uncomfortable with even the smallest government entity exercising.
They tried that stunt with me. That same stunt. I didn’t understand what was happening exactly. I didn’t understand precisely what they were doing, Appropos of nothing in particular I was informed that my PC folder had been CS’d for a “handling” of some sort.
What this handling was was never made clear to me.
I was told that my entire PC folder had been gone thru and they wanted me to come in…for what? I asked. What was the problem?
They wouldn’t say. Wouldn’t give me a straight answer. Said there was no problem, really. No problem with my case. It wasn’t an auditing action, they said.
Then what was it?
Ok, I said, then if there’s no problem, why did someone go thru my entire PC folder? Tell me what this handling is for, and what reference you’re operating on, or…forget it, I’m not coming in!
Well, no one gave me a straight answer, so I didn’t go in.
Today, I see that its a safe bet that what they wanted me in there for was to “convert” my PC overt/withold data into some kind of confessional or ethics thing or something they could safely use against me, that wouldn’t be covered by the confidentiality agreement. Why else cull my entire folder if it wasn’t an auditing action or an auditing correction of some sort?
I suppose they had their suspicions about me by then.
Fortunately, by then, I’d been reading the blogs enough to have plenty of the same about them.
I didn’t go in. They dropped it.
Good for you Aqua! That was a sentinel moment and you rocked it.
Thank you, Kat 🙂 That little angel over my shoulder, etc. 🙂
Although, notwithstanding having avoided an official ethics action I have no doubt that the contents of my PC folder is an open book amongst the staff of my old former org and their friends.
But that’s ok. Know why? Because I pity them. Pity diluted with some contempt.
They’re not producing anything.
They’re making no clears; they’re training no auditors. No new public are coming in.
The E/D answers the phones most of the time because they can’t keep a receptionist.
Yet they keep fundraising, fleecing their dwindling public to buy themselves another building. A much bigger, more expensive, lavish building, “just the way LRH always intended it”…sad.
Meanwhile, their voices are echoing in the hallways of the empty building they’re in now.
They just keep doing themselves in, making the org smaller and smaller. Sad. Because they’re good people, well meaning people. They want to help others – I know that. I know them. I liked them. So I pity them for their failed purposes. On the other hand, they don’t learn. They don’t look, they don’t see. They just keep doing the same thing, over and over, which isn’t working, which has never worked and will never work. Thus the contempt. How can one respect such stubborness, such stupidity?
So if they bandy around the contents of my PC folder in hushed tones amongst themselves if someone brings up my name, that’s ok. They’re not producing. I think of them now as a kind of old ladies sewing circle where whoever isn’t there gets gossipped about.
Actually, that’s not fair to old ladies who sew together because at least they produce something.
Aqua. You hit that nail squarely on the head. I couldn’t put it better. You rock! Glenn
Good for you for being so alert. It’s a pretty safe bet that anytime a scientologist wants you to come in for a review, consultation, ‘arcx session, or just to talk you’re going to get screwed. It will be in the form of a ‘reg cycle’, ethics handling, or recruiting. It is a completely safe bet that they will NEVER have your best interests in mind. NEVER. When it comes right down to it, it’s all about the money and only about the money.
Aqua – that trick is used a lot
Makes you feel special
Makes you curious
Typically have you Regrade the Bridge
Go to the beginning and start over
They fuck up but you pay ? and pay ? and pay ?
SOP
Parlor tricks to get more ? money ?
Also, I’d like to point out that Confessionals (sec checks) or O/W pulling are applied using the methods of scientology technology. In the 70’s for me this wasn’t like this but in my last 5 years it was a FACT that a person could NEVER bitch about what was done to him, like for instance that he wasn’t allowed enough sleep, or that a staff member or david miscavige hit him, he was stressed out because of all the shit that was done to him, so he “nattered” about david miscavige or the staff member, that he crashed the car or equipment because he was sleep deprived, etc. That person will be in that sec check til Kingdom Come. One has to realize what HE did to fuck up and in some cases his “evil purposes or destructive intentions” that prompted him to commit HIS overt(s). If one isn’t toeing the line or doesn’t have his mindset firmly up the ass of this technology as it is applied today, he is in for a world of hurt and he knows it, so he comes up with shit like, “I was acting as a block…. I attempted to stop vital programs….” or “I lied about blah blah and felt bad about it.”
For anyone who hasn’t been through it, it is CRAZY MAKING stuff. Now try on for size getting 100’s of hours of this just to get on or complete OT VII or OT VIII. It’s the height of mental abuse. It’s just too bad that one can’t sue for the mental torture inflicted on them by the methods employed by auditors, sec checkers, ethics officers, etc., to get the overts of their parishioners.
Yeah, I did the RPF twice so probably logged over 1000 hours of FPRD, Truth RD and Sec Checking and metered Ethics interviews. The second time I did the RPF was just after I had already completed a huge O/W write up, one in which I went to great lengths to beat myself up and turn irrelevant, inapt and mundane things into overts and crimes. So of course I was FPRD sec checked to death on everything I had just written O/Ws on. Not only that all my earlier FPRD had to be reviewed, including the same forms done over entirely again. It was beyond insane. But the interesting thing is that is one thing that started to snap me out of the trance of being a Scientologist and in the Sea Org. It was just too awful to pretend it was anything but torture. BTW, i believe not long after my second RPF stint, the entire RPF program became “I’m not auditing you” and RPF twins had to write KRs on overts discovered after each session. Oh, and then finally there was the squirrel RPF “Final assessment”, where one had to F/N a list of sec check type questions concentrating on COB (o/ws upon, whs from, black pr about, evil purposes towards, etc) firstly, and then other related items. Some people would literally spend years on this action. It was nuts – e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g was overts, withholds, evil purposes, black PR and out ethics. It truly is crazy making stuff.
Just horrible.
You’re right about “it was just too awful to pretend it was anything but torture.” That’s when I hit my point of no return. Took 4 more years to ACTUALLY be out the church of scientology.
I hope you have unraveled from all you went through.
“It was nuts – e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g was overts, withholds, evil purposes, black PR and out ethics. It truly is crazy making stuff.”
YES to this as well.
I would like to see a TV program do a comprehensive mock Sec Check, complete with having to go back in-go back in-go back in to “re-check a question” – to ensure it truly WAS FNing….
The billion times through the buttons on each question, the Mid Ruds, the Earlier Similar hunts, the minutiae of the questions and details…
I would like to see it full on displayed to show what kind of crazy stuff we end up “trying to take responsibility for” by elaborate sweeping acceptance of the massive destruction we wreaked with having an uncharitable thought after working 20 hour days for 2 months straight….
run it and run it and run it…. show how it beats you down and twists your mind. The extensive O/W write ups – where you basically paint your every thought and intention as evil and base, you’re scum and did it on purpose to destroy the world…..
…let’s detail some Lower Conditions…crazy really comes out when one describes how one has been in Treason or Enemy and how the evil deeds lead one to becoming an SP enemy of the Greatest Friend Mankind has Ever Had, L.R.H.” …
Let’s follow the guy around as he hands out copies of his liability formula.
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This stuff was normal. This was every day life and ALL THE WAY DOWN, not just DEEP DOWN, but ALL THE WAY DOWN…. you believe that this is HELPING and is the Only Road Out to Full and Knowing CAUSE.
Confronting this was making us OT.
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Can we ever know what “normal” is? How many years does it take to undo decades of punishment, atonement, and agreement with this deep crazy?
Everyday of my new life…I work to stay above it, deconstruct it, and forgive myself.
SadState…twice in the RPF..? Jesus. I wish all the best to you. Disney Movies from here on out. <3
I too did the RPF several times. The last time the “Final Assessment “ was the final step, a true mind bender. Some were on it for years. Hollywood needs to make a movie about The RPF. It would make “Pappion” looks like a holiday.
Wow.
And I agree, the public at large needs to see it but would they watch. The IRS should see it for sure.
Why can’t they sue? They can always try.
Jesus but you’ve nailed this and are my hero.
“if one isn’t toeing the line or doesn’t have his mindset firmly up the ass of this technology as it is applied today, he is in for a world of hurt and he knows it,”
YES.
Y. E…S.
At every single turn, YOU GET YOUR MIND RIGHT. You get that shit locked down and screwed so right that you’ve got steel plates around your viewpoint. You don’t “inspect” a bloody thing.
In is so far IN…. it’s like trying to describe a new color.
Just want to add, this happened to me, as far back as 1983. Back in the 70s, there was an “amnesty” and we were told we could all “get clean” with O/W writeups, that the writeups would be stored in our PC folders, not our ethics folders, and considered “confidential.” So I bit. Then, years later in 1983, they decided to expel both me and my then-husband because we were consorting with known SPs. Guess what the contents of my goldenrod were? Riiiiiighghght.
A lot of what the COS does is just goofy silliness. But this Twitter site effectively exposes their dark side. Such vindictive betrayal shows OSA’s evil nature. These are despicable acts that will be difficult for anyone to forgive. Even god must be shaking his head.
Do they know not what they do? Yes they do. It’s called Fair Game policy. C.S. Lewis described well the insidious evil that all Scios must embrace:
“The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
There’s some heavy dues to pay.
Chris, that C. S. Lewis quote is from the Screwtape Letters I believe. Worth a read.
The third book of his science fiction trilogy, “That Hideous Strength” practically treats you to a tour of the Int Base, as the protagonist infiltrates the headquarters of the National Institute of Co-ordinated Experiments (N.I.C.E.). Except at NICE the evil magic actually works.
Mark Twain
Self-delusion and hubris explain so many details about Scientology that leave outside observers shaking their heads. How could anyone think it was a good idea to broadly publish someone’s private confessions, revealed in confidence? How did they come to the conclusion that others would think that would make Scientology look good?
It’s just because they have those green-lensed glasses from the Wizard of OZ permanently welded to their eyeballs. They can’t even see anything that doesn’t fit into the Hubbard world view. It’s “us VS them”, locked in an epic battle for the soul of the universe with no holds barred. Where is the need for honesty, decency or love on such a battlefield?
Somehow they fail to understand that releasing a copy in the member’s own handwriting appears to all the world to be a violation of confidentiality. Maybe in a court their lawyers can split hairs about the difference between Confession A and Confession B, but real people see only the publication of a “confession”, if it could be called that.
Anyone familiar with the COS, either from membership or simple awareness, knows people write what is expected of them in many “confessionals”. They don’t write the truth – that would mean more punishment.
Compare these, one is truth, one is written to satisfy the inquisitors:
Truth: “…I recognized COB was *the* person who was ruining all the good that I ever saw in Scientology”, or
To mollify the Inquisitors: “…I recognized COB was *the* person who was expanding Scientology”
Now compare expansion of Scientology (or the ruination of Scientology) under the leadership of this COB and tell me which statement holds water.
Of course, I am all in favor of continuing the lies about COB being the great expansionist. The longer he is in charge, the more I can hope to see the sewer of Scientology reduced to a trickle in my lifetime.
It’s a cancer of sanity, Scientology.
Cancer of sanity. A perfect description of the cult, I Yawn. Well done.
In your fourth season of the Aftermath I would love to see a couple of episodes really detailing how one descends into a full blown case of Stockholm syndrome when forced to come up with “confessions” of one’s “crimes.”
How one manages to then crawl out of that condition by recognizing one’s own thought-stopping might also be very beneficial.
The Co$ has effectively branded itself as a completely untrustworthy, lying, money-grubbing cult. Their actions and their own publications reveal their true nature. It’s quite astonishing that they don’t realize how sick they make themselves look to the average person.
They seem have no clue that no one in the general public gives a shit about their golden palaces. Only the few remaining sycophants are impressed.
Exactly.
How many sessions from different folders has the COB red thru the years? Esp, celebrities…
Together with his “nearest” as well?
The only thing that makes Miscarriage happy is when he reads PC folders or watches their session videos that contain sordid past details (many are made up to stop the ruthless interrogations) to arouse himself sufficiently to jerk off.
Totally!
How many bottles of booze did he go through reading those folders?
Yeah, but it’s the best that stolen money can buy. That’s gotta mean something?
It means we should tie him up and drink in front of him. Now, we gotta tie him up nice and tight. And with the gag in his mouth, we should be long gone in no time.
Aw, can’t I keep him as a pet? Got a spare chain and kennel around the place somewhere… Great watch dog for honest people, don’t want any of those muddying up the back yard hey?
It seems to me (as an NI) that the person PAID for the auditing/Sec Check/ etc. Since they paid, the files belong to the person, not the church.
noooo – they didn’t “pay” -they “donated” (smfh good grief!)
WOW!
This whole thing is just ridiculous. I can go into my doctor’s office and get my file. Technically, I can keep it with me and carry it back and forth when I see him. HE does not own MY files.
I have NEVER gone to a church where they kept a file on anyone – EVER!
This makes me so angry – I can’t believe they break laws every minute of every day and get away with it.
Mike, I wanted to mention that reading through the comments someone mentioned smile? on Amazon. I immediately went back onto my Amazon account and found where I could select the Aftermath Foundation for charitable contributions. Sorry I am not a very observant person haha. I love the show and try to follow you and Leah in all your efforts.
Way to go Kim! ☺
Based off of something I was recently told about this account, the person operating this “Truth Newsroom” Twitter account is believed to actually be a “public” Scientologist in Portland Oregon (I won’t name him since I can’t fully confirm this, although based on what I’ve found so far from looking him up, it certainly seems very credible, as he has run a couple of other Scientology “Truth” sites).
If that’s true, then apparently a lot this “privileged” information is being provided to individuals outside of the official Scientology “clergy” for dissemination, which raises even more questions about how Scientology is divulging information to outside parties that most would consider falls under the assumption of confidentiality.
Perhaps he’s just finding this stuff online from another source, but if these “confessionals” weren’t publicly available before he started putting them out there, it certainly raises questions about how a “public” Scientologist is acquiring material that is supposed to be held confidential under the doctrine of priest-penitent privilege.
Fun fact: The third account to ever follow this “Truth Newsroom” Twitter account is none other than the main “Stand League” Twitter account. Other “individual” STAAD accounts have later followed him (the first 7 of them being lumped together).
Mick — whether it is ascribed to a “public scientologist” or to Ed Parkin, it serves the same purpose and is being fed information by OSA. Public scientologists do NOT have access to Sea Org members’ files. Back in the day there were people like Bill Yaude who performed this function for OSA to give “plausible deniability”…
Thus making this particular claim on Scientology’s own website complete horse-shit (as most of their claims are):
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IS INFORMATION DIVULGED DURING AUDITING SESSIONS ALWAYS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL?
Absolutely and without exception.
Traditionally, all communications between a minister and parishioner have been privileged and confidential. That is certainly the case in the Scientology religion, and this trust is never violated. In fact, the Church would invoke all legal protections under its clergy-penitent privilege to safeguard this confidentiality.
The Auditor’s Code requires a minister to never use the secrets divulged by a parishioner in an auditing session. The information given in trust during an auditing session by a parishioner to a minister is considered sacrosanct by the Church and Church ministers. All such information is kept strictly confidential by a Scientology minister and the Church.
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Looks like some folks aren’t following the publicly stated tenets of scientology by allowing this information to be leaked.
Damnit, sorry. I must’ve had the text of that from Scientology’s website (as Mike had it in his post) already copied for reference and pasted it here by mistake. I meant to paste this line item from the Auditor’s Code link, as listed on their website:
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22. I promise never to use the secrets of a preclear divulged in session for punishment or personal gain.
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Sorry again.
‘Unless or until they leave the cult and refuse to give us more money, at which time we reserve the right to ruin their life with this stuff’ – printed in microscopic script at the bottom of the page…
Mick:”Looks like some folks aren’t following the publicly stated tenets of scientology by allowing this information to be leaked.”
IMO, scientology sometimes goes out of its way to violate the publicly stated ‘tenets’, prime of which is their claim to be a religion. It isn’t. Never was, never will be.dianetics claimed to be the SCIENCE of mental health. scientology claimed to be a religion only for legal and tax purposes, IOW so Tubby could accumulate OBSENE amounts of money despite spending like a drunken sailor most of the time. Also allowed many abuses under the umbrella of ‘religious observance’ when the mood struck him. NOT that it seems he really thought about those things much unless public clamor against obvious abuses and outright oddities were smacking him ‘longside his head.It wasn’t until the ‘Rock Festival’ that he realized that his outré habits had gotten him kicked out of the few ports he could frequent in the Med and Europe and he moved his theatre of operations to the Americas and the Caribbean — which soon became hostile in reaction to his ways of doing business.
It woudin’t be $cientology if the truth were actually involved. What ‘religion’ needs to hide behind contract law to run?
The part they reveal appears to be Jefferson’s attempt to brown nose David Miscavige so he can again be allowed to do his job. Apparently he got in some trouble for some non existent “crime” and now he has “realized” that David Miscavige is the only person in scientology why does anything *cough* bullshit *cough*.
This unreadable jargon laden word salad only seems to me to prove to anyone on the outside looking in that this is a forced confessional written under duress. My guess is Jeff is laughing at this. The only people who would find this even a tiny bit true are those fully stuck in the bubble.
I think even they see it for what it is, an attempt only to silence. If there is even a crack in their armor, this would appeal them.
For anyone who has never been in scientology I can see them screaming “who talks like that”? Good little scientology robots, that’s who. Stay away. Stay far away.
That is exactly what this is about. Everyone has to constantly confess their “crimes” and “evil intentions” towards David Miscavige since he is constantly railing that “So and so is out to get me”. And I mean this literally. He may have said “Jeff Hawkins has evil intentions towards me and has terrible crimes, don not stop until you’ve gotten them all.” Her certainly said that about me often enough (maybe he was right…?)
Mike, I don’t think you had evil intentions toward DM UNTIL he screwed you over 6 ways to Sunday and took your family and turned them against you and and and. Then it probably would not be normal to resent the guy just a little (or a lot) for all his overts on you personally. I am an example of that: I was fine letting the church be and letting DM be and let them live and let live once I decided I was done with my participation in the church. But DM wouldn’t let me just quietly leave. He had to turn my family and friends and business associates against me by telling lies and 3P about me to them. For me that’s when it became personal for me and when I started speaking up against DM and his regime: when he made my kids disconnect. But the ill will to DM does sprout when he commits disconnection from good people. DM and the church make their own enemies.
There’s no paranoia in Corn on the COB. Yep. None. He’s in his own little fucked up world. Paranoia? Hogwash! He’s just expressing himself by beating people up & reading their files. What could go wrong?
That was my first take as well: to any outsider, that would look like a POW “confession” at best, and probably more like cult brainwashing gibberish (to use popular, if inaccurate, terms) that if anything confirms impressions that what’s really going on inside Scientology is insanity.
Only insiders might see it as somehow damning – and at that, wouldn’t even they know that everyone, themselves included, has been pressured if not coerced to write (and make) up something similar?
As a NI that was EXACTLY my thoughts when reading it.
And let’s not forget that when it suits them Miscavige/RTC/OSA will go through PC and ethics files and pull out and destroy documents they believe will hurt the Church if disclosed in litigation.
Absolutely correct. And how ironic is that — because they maintain that keeping the records (ie pc folders and ethics files) is part of their sacred religious belief. They don’t have concern for the law, or if it is to save their own skin, even for their deeply held religious “convictions.” It was also a deeply held religious belief that it is harmful to you to be “out exchange” which is WHY they give refunds. But it is apparently more harmful to you to have to give the money back when the IRS is no longer looking over your shoulder.
But here’s the rub. That document made public on Twitter just now could be used against Miscavige. He claims to have nothing to do with the day to day operation of scientology, but Jefferson says David Miscavige is “forwarding programs vital to scientology” and that David Miscavige “was THE person who was expanding scientology.”
Hmm… the IRS needs to be shown this document IMO. They put this forth as the pure and absolute truth, so let’s use it.
Are those not to be available to the public but only entrusted to the Ethics office like a real priest listening to a confession goes no further than the priest themselves? But since Scientology has no confessional rules only further prove they don’t meet the standards of a church let along 501c3 status?
This is why I think there should be a US government committee like HUAC back in the day and call everyone in to testify under televised oath and make everyone see! Bring them down.