A reader sent this to me the other day and I found it fascinating. The parallels between North Korea and scientology are unmistakeable.
Below are excerpts from the article.
I highlighted especially relevant sections. They need no explanation to anyone familiar with scientology’s playbook that dictates how they must respond to “critics.” Scientology is as clumsy and unbelievable as N. Korea in its denunciation of defectors. It’s amusing to see: it seems everyone who leaves N. Korea or scientology is some form of sexual pervert, has stolen money or is being paid to say bad things about them.
And you note the use of children/family members as a means of seeking to keep people in line.
Days of N. Korea’s Kim are numbered: defector
The North Korean regime is on an inexorable decline towards collapse, with its people increasingly disillusioned but its nuclear ambitions undimmed, a top defector said Wednesday.” I’m sure and I can say that Kim Jong-Un’s days are numbered,” said Thae Yong-Ho, who fled his post as North Korea’s deputy ambassador to Britain in August. In his first press conference for foreign correspondents, held under tight security, Thae said he was sure that more of his fellow countrymen would follow suit since North Korea was “on a downward path”.
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Thae is among the highest-ranking defectors from the North for years. He said he had begun to waver as his diplomatic role granted him access to outside information.
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North Korean diplomats are generally compelled to leave one of their children behind in Pyongyang when they are dispatched abroad, but Thae was able to take both his sons, now aged 19 and 26, to London — easing his preparations to defect.
“The Kim Jong-Un regime abuses love between parents and children to control North Korean diplomats,” he said.
After Thae’s defection the North’s state media denounced him as “human scum” and accused him of embezzling state funds, raping a minor and spying for South Korea in exchange for money.
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He called for continued international sanctions on Pyongyang and publicity campaigns to spread external information in the North and encourage its citizens into “popular uprisings”.
Some tentative economic reforms have been put into effect in the North, but “those further down the food chain are finding life much tougher”, Thae said.
Once “unthinkable” acts of low-level dissent or criticism were becoming more frequent.
Just one final comment: what is it with the pompadours?
Africanus says
When I first began to study this, the parallels between Alexander Soltzenhitsyns “Gulag Archipelago” are unmistakable. The use of moral or ethical reconditioning, labor as punishment, the use of acronyms for everything, completely hijacking language, thus thought, the paranoid megalomaniac at the top who sees enemies everywhere. The illogical absurdity of it all. And the masses immobilized by fear. Neighbor turning in neighbor. On and on. I encourage you to read it if you haven’t already.
Zephfyrus says
It was this video by Vice Films that I first screened several years ago that finally convinced me that $cientology was a “cult”:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3
Shay says
This gives me chills.
Craig Rose says
Often during family discussions, and I have a large family, I say: Our two biggest problems are North Korea and Scientology! Everybody sitting around the pasta bolognese laughs at me. They say, what the hell are you talking about? Yet, you seem to see the same connection. What I see are two ideologies surrounded by lies absolutely headed towards destruction ,taking their people down with them. In reference to North Korea, over 75% of their people are staving. Eventually they will destroy themselves. Scientology on the other hand is going to need a push.I realize that the most obvious villain is David Miscavige.This guy is a serious asshole and in the end he will bury himself. The only way to destroy this organization is to debunk L. Ron Hubbard. Prove to the world he was only a con artist with a great idea to separate his followers from their money.
chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03 says
totalitarian institutionalized quackery,
“New and Improved Totalitarian Cult Members Produced Here”
“Do you think Xenu’s “body-theran” exorcism can’t be sold?! Think again! Scientology Soul Exorcism Sold Here”
“Experience Institutionalized Cutting Edge Totalitarian Thought Control For Yourself Here”
are protest signs I’d like someday to hold up as my freespeech protest right.
But, then again, there is always the non totalitarian form of Scientology, all the same courses, but simpler, more benign, less totalitarian settings to learn and do all the same mental past-lives engram trauma hunting and the “body-thetan” exorcism too, if you wish.
The totalitarian North Korea aspect of Scientology are not so much used by freezone Scientology.
Freezone Scientology possibly could be more traditional religion like, but then the freezone doesn’t do have the money to do the PR stuff that official totalitarian Scientology’s full money grubbing setup has perfected to pretend “good works” to the community.
Such deep paradoxes to the whole Scientology practitioners today. The freezone more benign Scientologists who aren’t nonstop North Korean totalistic, they don’t have the money to fake normal religious actions like official North Korean Scientology does.
Snake Thompson's Ghost says
Years ago I decided that the Church of Scientology combined all the worst features of the (a) the Navy, (b) North Korea, and (c) a Star Trek convention….
So this article is spot on.
Brian says
That made me laugh. Then I felt guilty. Then I laughed again:-)
Tommy Prophet says
Well, if you were a midget, you would want the tallest hairdo possible. Add some platform shoes, and you could reach maybe 5′ 7″. This gives you positional altitude.
LesJolies Choses says
…@Tommy
your reply made my day…
Susan says
Unfortunately, here in the USA the truth about Scientology may take a backseat to the current problems with our own newly elected wanna-be dictator. I can already see parallels between tactics of Trump’s team and the Miscavage playbook.
Cathy Leslie says
I nod my agreement
omegapaladin says
Well, you could try to get Devious Miscarriage into a fight with Trump or someone he cares about. SCN would be taxed again – only now at 70%.
tony-b says
As Ohio Buckeye commented earlier control of knowledge of the outside world is a major factor in getting NKs (and scientologists) to stay where they are. Having had to rent the cheapest house he could find Mr Thae was far enough away from Central Control and enabled himself opportunities to fit into the London scene to the point where he played tennis at a local park. So like Mike Rinder he was able to slip into the city with ease. Also like Mike he was able to play along and cover his doubts about what was happening back home until defection time came. So a few heads in the NK goverment will fall due to failure to profile his risk of defection. No doubt there will be severe repercussions for his NK relatives. Up to three generations of relatives of defectors have been locked away in workcamps and he recognises this in his interviews but promises to work hard to get them released by exposing and helping its downfall which he thinks will be cataclysmic. Hopefully President Trump does not make diplomatic relations worse by jumping into the NK china shop as Kim has a notoriously thin skin.
As for comparisons between NK and Sci. this article titled “How could our country lie so completely?; meet the North Korean Defectors” says it all. Also has interesting comments on the lack of love in that country that seems to be demonstrated in Daveland.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2016/aug/27/north-korea-defectors-ian-birrell
Mick Roberts says
Great comparison. I’ve somewhat followed articles about life inside of North Korea and there are a great deal of similarities from what I’ve learned about the church. Although North Korean defectors can be put to death, which is a bit more extreme, four other similarities I can think of off the top of my head that I believe apply between both of these groups, in addition to using family members to keep them in line, are:
1. Education: North Korean students are taught about the infallibility of Kim regime. There is definitely a cult of personality that the three Kim leaders have followed. Eerily similar to how Scientologists are trained about the infallibility of LRH (and DM). CoS has its own practice of the cult of personality.
2. Efforts to Prevent Access to Information: North Korea only allows positive propaganda to be disseminated to their citizens, much like Scientologists are greatly “encouraged” (under threat of disconnection) to not read sites or watch news critical of the CoS and their regime. They both employ propaganda through their use of internal state media and/or publications (i.e., Freedom Magazine) controlled by their respective regimes.
3. Encouraging Internal Reporting on Others: North Korea also has the mentality that “if you hear something negative about the state and say nothing, you are just as guilty”. This is very similar to the church’s use of Knowledge Reports to report on other church members and how they view a person as “guilty too if they don’t report”.
4. Keeping the People Loyal: Even though many North Koreans, as well as Scientologists, are (“illegally” in both cases) starting to access information from the outside world more and more, which causes major cracks in the ability of the respective regimes to control their citizens/members, there are still a large number of their citizens/members who believe in the goodness of their respective regimes. Hopefully, that is changing at a rapid pace.
Valerie says
I was reading this article last night and read the cookie cutter response from scientology in the sidebar. What struck me is how they shoot themselves in the foot with these responses.
Everyone who leaves is exactly the same? That’s a lot of horrible horrible people who rose to amazing heights in an organization that is supposed to be able to tell whether people are good or not. Do they not see that they are either breeding horrible people who turn out exactly the same in the end or they are liars?
Secondly, each person who leaves has similar BUT DIFFERENT stories of what happened to them and more and more information is coming out.
The people who leave and speak out are by now aware that they are going to be accused of being horrible people, but in such a laughable cookie cutter way that they now have no compunction discussing things they otherwise would have never revealed.
For example I learned in this article that David Miscavige wears makeup and that when he has temper tantrums he sweats and his mascara runs. Also daily hot water enemas.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4102600/Cruise-partied-Scientology-ship-girl-cleaned-sewage.html
The intimidation only works when there is a reason to keep silent. Miscavige has humiliated and degraded those under him to a point that they are no longer able to feel humiliation. Once the person has been degraded to a point where there is nothing that can embarrass them anymore, public humiliation is not an effective weapon.
Newcomer says
” Also daily hot water enemas.”
That’s important!
MrsShark says
They say health begins with the colon…
L Yash says
As far as COS seems to goes….”the church challenges and the church disputes”……..is the only printed statement they continue to display……along with a list of “crimes” by former members. WHERE is the ever so proud COB>>>>the one who defends “his organization”…..
If he truly believes what COS stands for, why hasn’t DM made a public appearance to defend COS, instead of sending ineffectual mouthpiece to an interview. Let HE who has no sins (CRIMES) cast the first stone.
iamvalkov says
Mike, I posted this on Marty’s blog about 5 years ago. You have a lot of new readers, I thought some might be interested. To me, the parallels between North Korea and the CoS are pretty clear. It is an article about North Korean Brainwashing:
For those who may have missed it last time around I’d like to repost the article about North Korean Brainwashing as it was done back in the 1950s:
NEGATIVITY KILLS
Readers can judge for themselves if these techniques resemble what goes on in the Co$.
North Korean Brainwashing is based completely on denying the target prisoners all positive emotional support, and exposing them to an all negative emotional atmosphere, and actually rewarding them when they acted to destroy their own ideals and emotional capacity, andrelationships.
The North Korean brainwashing camps were unique in that the prisoners were relatively well-treated in the physical sense. They had adequate food, shelter, and water, and were not physically tortured. In fact, their captors were careful not to make them angry, as this could have provided them with motivation to oppose the brainwashing process. (Clearly, DM has “improved” on the North Korean techniques by adding torture, sleep deprivation and food deprivation, as well as other forms of duress. – V)
A study done after the Korean War, of 1,000 returned prisoners of war who had been “brainwashed”, found the majority never got back in touch with old friends and family. They were found to be in a condition described as in “mental solitary confinement”. All their bonds of affinity and relationship with others had been broken, and apparently they had lost their capacity to have positive relationships.
The camps they had been in had no barbed wire surrounding them, and very few guards, yet escape attempts were very rare.
At the same time,it was found that something like 28% of the prisoners had died in these camps, essentially by giving up their will to live. These camps had the highest death rates of any camps anywhere, ever recorded.
Many of the prisoners just went to their quarters one day, sat in a corner covering themselves with a blanket, and died, often within two days. Usually no-one of the other prisoners tried to help them, because the bonds of relationship between them had already been broken.
The researchers concluded these men had died of “extreme hopelessness”.
Here is how it was done:
1. Group members are all channeled into informing on each other. Informers are given rewards. This breaks the trust between the group members and isolates each person from the others. No-one can be trusted, because anyone might be or become an informer at anytime.
Interestingly enough, no-one was punished for anything they had reportedly done. That was not the objective. The objective was to destroy the trust and emotionally supportive relationships the group members had with each other.
2. Prisoners are organized into smaller groups of 10 or 12, and required to confess bad things they have done, and also to confessing good things they failed to do. They did not confess to their captors, but to each other, the other group members. This is a “reverse group therapy” process. This gradually eroded the caring, trust, and respect the men had for each other.
3. Efforts are made to destroy loyalty to leadership and their country, and their own ideals.
4. All positive support is withheld. For example, all supportive mail from home with any good news or encouragement was withheld. All mail with bad news was delivered – news of death, pending divorce, dunning letters for unpaid bills, etc were all promptly delivered.
The goal of this kind of brainwashing is basically to completely ARC break (destroy the positive emotion in their lives) the prisoners with themselves, with their fellows, with their leaders, their country, and with life, and eventually their will to live.
Some of the prisoners essentially became like their captors, and became apologists for the North Koreans. Most did not, but were severely emotionally damaged.
Much of the information here I took from an audiobook called “How Full Is Your Bucket?” by Tom Rath and Donald O. Clifton PhD.
Dr. Maria Taheny says
Cult leaders and dictators have one major factor in common: They both tend to be narcissistic antisocial psychopath personalities that become highly paranoid with increasing power. This is why I tell clients who come to me for psychotherapy to avoid both.
Old Surfer Dude says
Don’t we have a president like that?
Victoria Parsons says
Yes!!!
Brian says
Maybe Ron should have embraced the philosophy of love; Jesus style.
But love and understanding were defined as Marcab PR per the OT8 materials; a window into Ron’s deep seated insanity.
What Ron’s words of violence against critics has sown is ungliness, incredible family suffering and infamy.
Granting the power of infallibility to Ron; David Miscavige has become a monster.
When words of violence are defined as serving the greater good; actions of violence follow suite.
Words have consequences; How Scientology Deals With Critics-The L Ron Hubbard Playbook.
Nickname says
Brian – To my knowledge, LRH never released any OT VIII materials. When were those “New OT VIII” materials released? Wasn’t that after Mayo stormed out of the Co$? An awful lot of people seem to have been “declared” around that time, and a lot of people quietly left. With all the allegations of rubber stamped docs and alterations, editing to tapes and such, and all the misrepresentations of the Co$, I go with the conclusion reached by the guy in Switzerland who studied all materials and said he would trust everything up to about 1976.
I Yawnalot says
That’s about the timeline as I see it too. There’s so many “versions” and alterations now it’s indecipherable, but does that make any difference? To some it does and to others no.
Idle Morgue says
Well, I sure hear a lot about Xemu.
Who knew?
Xenu …Xemu…Potato…Pootadoh…
That name seems to keep popping up. I
do think it was XENU who did it to the Marcabian’s in the Volcanoe with an H-Bomb!
Hennessy says
True, and I am curious: didn’t OTVIII finally end being “now I know who I am and who I am not, and am now interested in finding out” ??
Going up and around in a circle, and back to ‘Start’ at the beginning when you first walked through the door thinking that you are well, basically you?
Mike Wynski says
Hennessy, L Fraud said that OT VIII handled your amnesia on the whole track. Well, in true L. Fraud style it did what you say. A circle jerk where basically he’s says (by the way he set up the level) that you have nothing real to recall. Ergo, you have no amnesia.
The ultimate Con. By it WAS his M.O. the State of Clear being of the same pattern.
Hennessy says
LOL. ?
Hennessy says
My same thought on the Clear cog being of the same pattern.
Brian says
Here is the thread on Marty’s blog a few years ago. I brought up the subject of OT8. People that took the Original OT8 before Miscavige changed it, and those who took it after.
https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/dangerous-thoughts/#comment-271527
chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03 says
Marty’s site is a goldmine for leads, thanks!
Mike Wynski says
LRH released OT VIII around the time Ray moved to IG Tech and the then Snr. C/S FSO went to Int to take over Ray’s post. The first Snr C/S for the ship was a good friend of mine and briefed me while training at Int.
chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03 says
Deceased Senior C/S FSO Richard Reiss? I remember his onetime visit to Int for cleanup as FSO Snr C/S, he was made do lots of cleaning duties, and the daily Int Base buses were for a short time his daily cleaning station. Then Richard’s predecessor was John Eastment, boy I sure wish John and Peggy would defect, John has stories I wish he’d tell. John Eastment became bus driver in later years, a sad demotion of such a long and dedicated Sea Org tech “giant”, Class 12 C/S, former CS-5 and CS-4/5, John has years of Hubbard facetime history, all meaning nothing today in his life—Peggy and he ought get out so badly.
chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03 says
I think the sequence was David Mayo, Ray Mitoff, Jeff Walker, John Eastment, Richard Reiss, Caroline Webb for the Senior C/S FSO job, in sequence over the years.
Senior C/S Int job, I think ought be laid out in sequence, something like
Otto Roos kind of held the top “tech” job and John McMasters before him and Reg Sharpe before McMasters and some others in there also
David Mayo
Ray Mitoff (off and on, leaving the job sort of vacant)
Dan Koon (others too, and I wish Dan would repeat the sequence he knows of, from time to time, to solidify the sequence for posterity)
I wonder who today even is “holding Senior C/S Int” from above, over the blank/empty years for that job, if anyone.
Mike Wynski says
I was referring to the Snr C/S FSSO as the person who briefed me on VIII before the ship started delivering it.
I’ve never even heard of Richard Reiss. He wasn’t in any senior tech positions in scientology when I was in the SO.
nomnom says
“what is it with the pompadours?”
It bugs me too! There are so many cultish leaders that have them.
Maybe Xenu had a pompadour…
Nickname says
Aren’t they both short (in stature)?
Lawrence says
If you are familiar with “Int. Base Lingo” the pompadours indicate that most likely both David Miscavige AND Kim Jong Un are both CICS. 🙂
Newcomer says
And both are known to SCOHB however KJU has to partake on an avenue of his choice somewhere in Asia. We hope dear leader can join him.
But, the real question is who is taller? I think Kim Jong has him by an inch!
Cathy Leslie says
His hair is higher
Old Surfer Dude says
I was his hair dresser on Venus for several years so I can attest to the fact that he had a pompadour.
Brian says
I have heard that pompadours are dramatization of the Elvis implant.
Elvis has been electronically implanted and now they are clusters of BTs stuck in the Rock Star implant.
Even the name Elvis Presley was an implant. During a deep auditing session my emeter blipped on Elvis’s initials E.P.
E = electronic
P = pompadour
This cognition changed my life and I have no more feeling of loss for having male pattern balding.
Thank you Ron. I owe you everything. I’m so happy I could cry. Hip hip hooray!!!
Old Surfer Dude says
Thank you….thank you very much.
cs says
You made me think of the old Mojo Nixon + Skid Roper song “Elvis is Everywhere”. The song claimed everyone’s got a little Elvis in them, except for one person. Michael J. Fox. But the song should be changed. ‘Cause Miscavige doesn’t have one shred of Elvis in him, and he runs an organization dedicated to stripping every last piece of Elvis out of his followers until they’re soulless husks.
Aquamarine says
You men are very funny today!
Dianne says
I think the point about the comparison between the Kim Jong-Un regime and Scientology is that political and government manipulators and controllers use the the exact same mind-control, reality distortion techniques as cults. We ignore this type of manipulation at our own peril.
threefeetback says
You mean Hubbard didn’t really invent mind-control, just like Al didn’t invent the internet?
MrsShark says
Hi Mike – so happy you posted this. I read a book a few years ago called Nothing to Envy written by a reporter who tells the true stories of four people who escaped North Korea about the time of he great famine in the mid 90s. I learned about the abuses of $cientology just a few years later. What struck me as I started reading Tony Ortega or your site or Karen’s was the uncanny similarities between the two – the snitch culture, the camps, no knowledge of the outside world. It’s an excellent book for a good read – mind boggling when you compare the life of an average North Korean and a Sea Org member.
alcoboyy says
This is unrelated but did you know that Bridge Publications is having a 47% off sale? That’s right. All LRH materials are currently 47% off listed prices.
As someone once commented, you couldn’t give this shit away!
alcoboyy says
Except for e-meters. Those are still $5,000.00 a pop.
RedShoeLady says
They have them on ebay for way less! http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=e-meters&ssPageName=GSTL
Valerie says
Those are Ultra VII, you aren’t allowed to use them anymore to audit, it has to be the Ultra VIII
I Yawnalot says
Ultra VIII only, otherwise your hair falls out.
Old Surfer Dude says
Crap! So that’s why I became bald? You could of warned me…
Newcomer says
and other appendages begin to droop uncontrollably.
alcoboyy says
I just went and looked that up. Not just e-meters but lectures and congresses for way less!
Now I know why Bridge is having a half-off sale!
MrsShark says
You’re right – they can’t give it away. Think of all he books and other materials they send to libraries – many of which send them right back or trash them.
alcoboyy says
Anybody want a complete set if Basics for five dollars? Just visit your local public library.
threefeetback says
Dave,
The apoplectic meltdown of the old school fake fact press is just a preview of what happens when your house of cards collapses. Your thug peer group members, El Chapo and Kim Jong-Un, make your few billion fair game for liquidation and use for securing the US boarder. Like the lady says, ‘get used to it — it is just getting started’.
I Yawnalot says
If their roles were reversed, you’d have the same result, be it a State, religion, sports club or an old folks bingo group, those type of personalities will end up doing the same terrible things to the people they can influence. It’s hard for the majority of people to admit to themselves that there are some real assholes in this world. If it wasn’t for that “disbelief” the Miscavige’s and Kim Jong-Un’s of the world probably wouldn’t get nearly as far as that have.
It seems obvious to suggest that as people we desperately require and enforce on each other to trust the authority above us. Pity is has to get so bad before before we start to look at “who” is doing this? Instead the academics and ones capable of being more accurate play around with “why.”
Intelligence and force, it seems the latter always works its effect more quickly and more frequently in the affairs of man.
xenu's son says
From Wikipedia:
Education:However, his grades and attendance rating are reported to have been poor.
Sequoia university type diplomas:In 2013, Kim Jong-un was awarded an honorary doctorate in Economics by HELP University, a private Malaysian university.[43]
Jong-un smokes Yves Saint Laurent cigarettes, loves Johnnie Walker whisky
He has been named “Yŏngmyŏng-han Tongji” (영명한 동지), which loosely translates to “Brilliant Comrade”.
Nickname says
“There is no reactive mind.” I’ve seen people post that. Reactive mind at work.
hgc10 says
Classic! No matter what you deny, the thing you deny is the cause of your denial.
Nickname says
You explain it, then. I’ll hold my breath.
Old Surfer Dude says
Whoa! Now that’s heavy! “…the thing you deny is the cause of your denial.” Whoa! I deny your denial. So there……
hgc10 says
I explained it. Your rhetorical tactic — that the reactive mind causes someone to deny the existence of the reactive mind — is as old as the hills and as worn as the shroud of Turin. It is circular reasoning and begging the question. Amateur and childish.
There is no reactive mind because the existence of the thing that Hubbard described as the reactive mind has never been demonstrated to exist.
Nickname says
I asked you to explain things like North Korea, the behavior which leads mankind to turn on itself and slaughter hundreds of millions of its own kind. You dodge the question. You attempt to nullify and deny. The days of ridiculous “political correctness” are coming to an end. You are a loudmouth.
Mike Rinder says
Well, I dont think that is what he did. He said it is sill to say that the reactive mind causes you to deny the reactive mind and that somehow equates to proof that the reactive mind exists.
I do not agree with this, but a LOT of people do (a lot more that believe in the reactive mind): It is the devil that explains N. Korea and leads mankind to turn on itself and slaughter hundreds of millions of its own kind. It’s the work of the devil, and those things are proof of his existence. And if you deny the devil exists, it is simply because you are under his spell.
Substitute devil for “evil spirits,” “trolls” or “ghosts.” Anything people believe in that you cannot see but which are assigned as “cause” for things not being idyllic in life. Hell, substitute “BTs” — to some extent it IS what Hubbard did. He replaced the evils of the reactive mind with the evils of BT’s. The reactive mind became small potatoes and pretty insignificant after the “OT Levels” were revealed. Today, your reactive mind is explained as something you “mock up” because you no longer have one as soon as you realize this.
Honestly, consider this approach. It is not an attempt to “pick sides” — it is an attempt to view things rationally and put things into context.
Nickname says
Mike – Two rules for happy living. I’ll let it go. (Otherwise I had a screenfull. Which you’d have to gloss over. Modus tollens is a piece of logic, for example: when one admits a consequence, one cannot deny an antecedent. Translated into Scientologese: when one admits the presence of an effect, one cannot deny the existence of a cause. They have symbolic logic equations, too … three or four flavors. There’s a lot more to be attacked in some “modern philosophers” and some have done very serious damage to life on Earth, but thieves don’t steal where there’s nothing worth stealing, etc..) It’s like arguing with someone who says “Guns kill”. Why? Is it an overt not to?
rogerHornaday says
I put my reactive mind to work cleaning out the gutters. Bad idea, it’s lazier than I am.
Old Surfer Dude says
You too? My reactive mind makes fun of me. It’s depressing…
Nickname says
Funny.
OhioBuckeye says
Mike -please allow me a highlight addition ( but it will be in the form of quotation marks):
Thae is among the highest-ranking defectors from the North for years. He said he had begun to waver as his diplomatic role “granted him access to outside information.”
Continuing my self education into the world of Scn it has been quite striking to me, the level of insulation the church demands of its followers. “No outside information” for the followers, ensures the ability to control them will be much easier.
John J says
An interesting analogy, though I suppose the Kim Jung-Un’s use of systematic and deliberate physical liquidation counts as much more extreme. The use of family members as ‘collateral’ in both entities is apt and truly disgusting. I think (hope) one day someone will be able to bring charges of kidnapping against the “Church” of Scientology as well as child neglect for kids not receiving the proper medical attention, a charge, incidentally, that can be made without parental or the child’s consent.
I Yawnalot says
Yes, similar laws exist in Australia concerning domestic violence, the police can step in and bypass both the victim and the perpetrator’s rights and put the matter before the courts. It’s a bit of a blunt affair at times but the problem of domestic violence is such that something needs to be done about it. Child services are a another matter and require a more measured but similar approach imo. The present system is struggling with their own past legislation concern the scope of children’s rights. Bureaucracies lack personal insight to the effects they create and are either resistive to correction or very, very slow to respond to problems they created in the first place.
The Scientology Organisation and its treatment and dealings with family unity are a crime against humanity and should be dealt with accordingly. Nth Korea does similar things but takes it to Nazi type extremes. Their leader actually authorizes people to be shot for being outspoken against him or his regime. Similar I would imagine to what Miscavige would do if he could.
Ms. B. Haven says
The pompadour comparison is a low blow Mike. Pompadours are the in thing amoung world leaders these days. There can be no doubt that Kim Jong-Un’s ‘white-sidewall’ style pompadour is tacky and poorly executed. However, it does make him look taller than Cap’n Miscavige with his perfectly coiffed and product laden version. And speaking of world leaders and hair styles, how about that ‘orange nazi comb-over’ look the new US president has going on? These are some self confident dapper men who know how to cut a dash!!!!
threefeetback says
Careful B. Haven, if you use ‘nazi’ and ‘president’ in the same sentence, the old school press will experience premature ejaculation; they also have pompaphobia issues. Fun fact: One of Dave’s favorite ploys is to imply that his foes are nazis; sometimes directly, but more often within earshot of who he is speaking about.
stinkpickles says
I would rather deal with Un instead of DM, given a gun- to- my- head choice. I do have a serious and somewhat poignant question. Seeing that Scientology has accused everyone who was on the show, including you Mike, of horrible ‘crimes’ against both humanity and the church, I do use that term very loosely, is there no way to start something like a class action suit against the church for slander, defamation of character? As shown on Leah’s show, some video and flyers handed out to neighbours of ex-members do exist. Would this not be a small step towards saying “F-U!”?
Surely there is a law firm somewhere in America that would take the case on, perhaps not for free, but at a discount. If successful, it would most likely lead to more, new business. I’m very surprised that many of the ones sent out by the church to picket in front of your house haven’t been beaten to within an inch of their life considering they tell everyone the person on their street are child molesters, rapists, etc.
Anyways, just an observation and a question that was on my mind. Great job everyone on the show!
-Mike. Canada
chuckbeatty77 says
Where’s the Scientologists in the membership with the smarts to rise up to WDC and Exec Strata ranks and thread the needle loopholes to un-culti-fy themselves.
I think the pay solution to the movement, is switch all orgs, all missions, all groups, across the boards, Sea Org of course, all seperate staff paying units, to the ASI pay model. Minimum wage salary, period, by the books and law, no fudging.
And drop all the military uniforms, and then downsize their staff membership, and only orgs that are really decent and good enough to their communities can accept total volunteer staff help to the minimum wage salary staff.
The ASI base pay minimum salary was about 28 Gs a year, that’s what I got and I was in the lowest base ASI staff pay salary rank.
Work hours are then flexible, but the pay is set, solid, a stability factor, and low below middle class single person average, but that’s good enough and plenty for married couples without kids in the Sea Org!
That’d normalize the movement.
Drop SP declaring, amnesty, undeclare all SPs across the boards (the Board of Review policy is the loophole to do the undeclaring wholesale and elevate this to Amnesty, with no conditions, just announce it is a done).
Give their staffs minimum wage salaries of the 28 Gs a year range, that’d be plenty good for their staffs, way more than nuns and monks take home in allowances weekly.
Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter says
That’s a fascinating set of ideas. But that would never happen.
The writings of L. Ron Hubbard are holy scripture to Scientologists. Hubbard ordered his followers to do all those things. You could say that it wouldn’t be Scientology without Fair Game. Or Disconnection. Or [insert Scientology harmful practice here].
Old Surfer Dude says
Or forced abortions….
alcoboyy says
Chuck, that ain’t gonna happen as long as little Davey is running the show.
Valerie says
That won’t happen period. The entire structure as designed by is set up to keep the staff at below poverty reaching for the non existent carrot.
Harpoona Frittata says
“Where’s the Scientologists in the membership with the smarts to rise up to WDC and Exec Strata ranks and thread the needle loopholes to un-culti-fy themselves.”
Well, many of them fell victim to the factional conflicts that preceded the actual palace coup that ended up putting lil davey into power. Folks like Lois Reisdorf fell victim to the jockeying for power even before Elron shuffled off to the next plane. After lil davey and Pat Broecker agreed to present the false report fable of Elron’s triumphant ascendance to a higher plane of existence, it wasn’t long before the back-stabbing and betrayal took Pat and his supporters down as well, leaving everyone who was left to either get down on their knees and suck lil davey dick or risk being RPF’ed for failing to salute his dogs or other non-offenses.
In a Stalin-like move, $cn’s own mini-Dear Leader then consolidated and solidified his hold on power by purging the entire WDC and Exec Strata ranks and confining them to The Hole, where his penchant for sadistic humiliation and physical violence was given free rein. Prominent ex-high ranking $ea Orgy members, like Marty R. and Debbie C., escaped their imprisonment, while others, such as cult president, Heber Jentzsch, stuck around for more abuse and have been relegated to internal exile and have not been heard from for a decade or more.
Since then, it appears that the tiny tyrant only shares power with his non-$cilon legal weasels, such as the yingalingading, and there’s no one else left in the positions of power within the organization that were designed to serve as mutual checks on each others’ powers, so that no faction or individual would end up in control of the corporate cherch. At the end of three decades of purges and consolidation of power at the top, there doesn’t appear to be any $cilons left who are in position to challenge the cult’s supreme rullah internally from within the $ea orgy.
alcoboyy says
Y’know, this has been a pretty good comm cycle.
RedShoeLady says
Can someone photoshop their hairstyles then switch them just for giggles?
On a heavier note evil must have just one playbook. Good is gifted with creativity and freedom of thought allowing for many different means of helping the hopeless. We must never give up.
Thank you Mike & Leah again and again for all you’ve done along with your comrades in arms. We all cheer you on and will help if called upon by you.
Ann B Watson says
Whoa,very interesting article,Mike. What jumped out at me,were the accusations used against the whistle blower. Rape, embezzlement,and spying. Now where have I heard those trotted out in order to smear a staff or Sea Org member into compliance with Command Intention? As to the pompadours, it is the new windblown hair sprayed look which all psychopaths are showing off. Does not do a thing for me but then I’m a SP DB Spy for the LA Times! Wink! ?
zemooo says
In the only thing I will ever say in Dave Miscavage’s defense is his hair cut is better then Kim Jong Uns. That is not much of a defense.
Both cults require total obedience and dedication. Still, beans and rice is a feast in North Korea. Lron borrowed all his control mechanisms from communist and nazi methods. Throw in some Les Dane salesmanship and the running dog capitalist wins the race.
Every male in North Korea is supposed to copy Un’s haircut. At least the Sea bOrg don’t have to copy the dwarfenführer. But then, where would they get the money for such a haircut?
tony-b says
I understand there is a small menu of approved haircut styles that a norkor can get. I think it won’t be long before in a fit of paranoia all those that chose the Unlook will be executed as trying to emulate and usurp the great leader. Of course they may get the haircut but getting the fat round face will be near impossible.
I have a feeling that anyone in scientology that tried to out-pompadour the pompous one would get a long holiday in the Re Programing Factory.
BKmole says
If little Davey had the permission to develop nuclear arms you know he would be using them to threaten the enemy’s of Scientology. ICBMs to blow up psych hospitals and detractors of the Cherch not to mention the Underground Bunker. No wonder Tony is dug in.
john johnson says
EVERYONE’S days are numbered.
I Yawnalot says
I always thought calendars were useful, not scary.
Old Surfer Dude says
Your days are numbered, I Yawn! Monday can be 1.Tuesday can be 2. Wednesday can be 3. I’ll let you take from here…
I Yawnalot says
Thursday has me stumped??? Can’t we just make everyday a weekend and call it “all for one and one for all?” Let’s be done with mathematics since we’re into pompadour haircuts and all. The French have a way of being sticky about some things and don’t like the way others emulate them sometimes. Wee being a prime example.
Old Surfer Dude says
I would come to that party…
Mike Wynski says
Eventually there won’t be anyone left in the church for DM to abuse. Sadly that cannot be said of North Korea..
alcoboyy says
Unless the North Korean army guns down everyone who tries to make a run for it.
Mike Wynski says
The Army is too far outnumbered for that. Historically, no matter the armament disparity, it only takes 3% of a population to actively revolt in order to take over. And THAT is with the armed forces NOT joining the “rebels”.
THAT fact is why brutal dictators are so paranoid about dissent. It can overnight result in their ouster and death.