See previous blog post Scientology’s Aftermath.
this is the second new PR spin to tumble out of Scientology in the last 24 hours.
Responding to an article in Rolling Stone, headlined Leah Remini Wants Federal Investigation Into Scientology, Dear Leader Miscavige offered up further butt hurt whining:
Regarding Remini calling for an “investigation,” it is pure balderdash. The Church is a religious institution committed to our religious, social and humanitarian missions. The Church says Remini and her “sources” have continuously filed false reports with law enforcement that have been unceremoniously dismissed at both the state and federal level. The Church states this is yet another false call and is nothing more than a publicity stunt and further harassment of the Church and its parishioners.
This is classic Miscavige. He “handled” the IRS and gained the ultimate “religious recognition” for Scientology and he does not want anyone to forget it. It has been the shield that has prevented oversight of his and his empire’s misdeeds for a quarter of a century. Scientology has successfully hidden itself behind the First Amendment. It certainly makes it difficult for law enforcement to proceed. But it does not grant immunity to abuse.
Miscavige is becoming more and more desperate in his public utterances. He feels the need to remind law enforcement that they are a “religious institution committed to our religious, social and humanitarian missions.” But his sheep’s clothing is no longer disguising the wolf too well. Snarling through gnashing teeth “we are really sheep, baah, baah” is falling on ears that are becoming deafer as every abuse is exposed.
And as for the continuous “false reports” filed – were this true, no doubt there would be prosecutions as it is unlawful to file false reports with law enforcement.
But the real spin is this: claiming the reports were “unceremoniously dismissed” sounds dramatic, but it’s a lie. Many of these reports resulted in serious investigations, though they have not resulted in prosecution. Yet. They were not “dismissed” as being ridiculous, in fact they have been taken very seriously, but prosecutors are abundantly cautious in entangling themselves in the First Amendment and with scientology at all.
The truth is that there are a lot of frustrated law enforcement people who know there is something rotten in Denmark. And THAT is precisely why Miscavige’s message focuses on being a “religious institution.” The barriers thrown up by the First Amendment to prosecution are daunting – but they are not insurmountable.
Pedophile priests acting holier than thou and hiding behind the walls of the church got away with it for a long time. But not forever.
Neither will scientology.
When your “religious mission” results in abuse, pain and shattered lives, it is a mission that needs to be reined in, no matter how loudly you shout that you are “saving mankind.”
PS: what happened to the complaints you filed about the 500 incidents of hate crimes you have suffered? Were they all “unceremoniously dismissed” or were there no complaints at all because these are merely figments of your victim-hood, where every media article that covers your abuses is another “hate crime” against you?
I think Sct is doing more Harm then you guy’s are,they Blame U guy’s & your speaking the Truth along w the rest of the ppl Inc his own father & I see it for what it is DM BS & Blaming ppl other than Him & the Thing he’s cont to do so I’m calling BS to them U guy’s keep going we can see w our eye’s wide open…
Wynski, on your posting that “anyone can leave that wants to”, not true and I doubt you were ever at the Int base? Based on this statement I would say that you were not ever on staff at the Int base.
It’s very hard for anyone to have the reality of the trap you are in at the Int base and more so now than even in the old days when we were there.
I won’t go into the details here as it is very complex to explain but trust me, they are trapped.
The Marty situation,
Marty is taking over Scientology, Bigist Dickist is going to dis appear, , Scientology will reform , then carry on as usual, We will move on with life ,Things will Quieten ,down they will carry on 10 years down the Line , its called Collateral Damage, Scientology will be a shadow of what it was. They will promote only up to clear , but will make available the OT levels , Per the Hush Hush method ,PSST! Have I got a deal for you. Put a $100 0n it.Staff will will be fodder , We have to realize ,Not every body will come out unscathed.
Wigee1
Grant Frires, if you move to Colorado and sell what you are smoking you will be a billionaire in no time.
A message to Marty when you read this:
Marty,
your purposeless, hopeless, pathetic videos of you squirming in the chair and lying through your teeth are of no consequence to anyone but for DM to use to continue his smoke and mirrors to the staff and public, that’s all and you know it. You can change all this, you can lead the march to expose DM and his lies and abuse. We know you have almost killed people and possibly even have, we have the details…… you can ask the FBI for immunity if you give all the dirt on Miscavige. Save yourself and those poor souls still left in there rotting slowly into oblivion. You know this is true Marty, stop fooling yourself with DM’s blackmail and threats and call his bluff. It’s not too late to redeem yourself. Save yourself and your family. Clean your soul. You know DM has created the biggest lie and false charade to his followers. We all know that’s the only reason he had to lock up all the top execs, beat people to a pulp physically & mentally and the use of heavy sec checking and Disconnection….. so no one will find out his lies and deceit. There’s absolutely no other reason for treating people with so much denigration and introversion. It kills a soul, it doesn’t save souls. Do the right thing Marty, it’s not too late……
The church’s use of blackmail is completely illegal and criminal. It is a crime to take and use blackmail material on people.
It is illegal to lock people up and there is no statute. As soon as someone gets in there to the base all hell will break loose or as soon as someone escapes, it’s just a matter of time and someone will talk and will spill the beans and it will be all over.
The truth shall always prevail.
Oh dear Lord,,,,,I do hope he hears you!
Well said Terri. Let’s hope it gets through to Marty and arouses his better self to help take down Dave and his purposeful deception in the name of religion.
It’s weird reading your condemnation of this Marty and Miscavige about locking people up.. I recall a time when you used to order people to be locked in the Apollo chain locker. Why would an old CMO Commander act like Miscavige’s abuse is something new and horrifying? I’ve had to forgive a lot of people in my life…you I just forgot about. My mother adored your mother and worked for your stepfather, but was never SO. When my Mom told Yvonne how you abused her child your Mom was visibly disturbed. I’m glad you’ve made a good life for yourself. These ex-Scientologists who are bucking for the ouster of Miscavige so that SCN can return to its former glory days….are you kidding? So many of you participated in the awful abuse of so many children during LRHs time. SCN is a made up story. It doesn’t “work”. It only harms, misleads and destroys.
Clearly you have not read much of what Terri has written or said in the past and are jumping to a conclusion about her views that is in error. But that being said, always happy to see new (old) faces here…
Thank you Mike, you are correct. I have not read anything Terri has written. I really have had no interest in pursuing the whereabouts of those who ran my life on Flag.
I have had multiple calls from various SCN phone banks, having apparently tracked me down from my auditing records as an 8-year-old in LA. I usually let them know they should just jot down my number and call me should they need help getting out… that or… “I’m sorry, my cat Xenu says I can’t talk to you anymore” (click).
Seriously though, thank you for your response, mine was a knee-jerk reaction. I am befuddled as to why those who have perpetrated crimes in LRHs name and during his tenure seem so outraged by Miscavige. I guess if they had lived a real life, in the real world, they would have known it was inevitable. If one didn’t already exist in the cloistered circle where everything was relative…one would have seen this coming.
I don’t blame you for commenting as you did, you’ve lived a hard life I can only imagine as a never-in and you were a child. I would be traumatized as well. No need to be sorry for your feelings, they are yours and you own them. Peace to you
I never once locked anybody up and I never would, I would’ve left before doing that. The one time that LRH ordered me to lock a child in the closet overnight I didn’t do it. I didn’t tell him I didn’t do it because then he would’ve locked me in the closet with him – instead I just did not do it. I did not believe that it was right to lock people up whether it was in the chain locker or the closet or anywhere. LRH had quite a number of people locked up in the chain locker and other places, my family members included, but I never once had anybody locked up fortunately. I don’t know who told your mother it was me but it wasn’t, I can promise you that and I’m glad I never had to do it.
In addition to what I said above, it is very sad to me that someone told my mother I locked up their child when I didn’t. My mother knew me better than that, but still it’s awful to be blamed for something so dreadful that one didn’t do. To this day I campaign against the abuses of those that are locked up and have been locked up and I put my neck on the line to try and stop it, just like others are also doing. I could go on with my life and ignore it but I choose to do something about it. I think it’s the one of the worst things a human being can do to another human being is to lock them up as if they have power over that person. It is the very thing that from a young age gave me an insight to Hubbard and made me not a believer in him. Despite this I had no choice but to work for him for 22 years with nowhere to go and no choice over my own life. You may find that hard to believe but even though we weren’t “locked up” we were still very trapped.
Thank you for speaking out Terri ((((hugs))))
Thank you, hugs to you too kind soul : )
Glad to see your activism and passion. I can only guess you don’t remember me. Not surprising… you were only 17 and I was only there for 9 mos. Got there shortly before Tonja and the Henderson’s.
As for the lock-up, you gave the order, Doreen did the enforcing. It was pretty awful. Will save the details in case I ever decide to write a book.
Suffice it to say both Yvonne and Charity were pretty dismayed at my treatment. They had both lead my parents to believe I was going to the safest place on the planet and that their own children would look out for me. An escape from the dangerous middle school I attended in Hollywood.
My folks did speak to someone high up at one of the orgs after I returned. They took a report, don’t remember much coming of it. I think that’s why she appealed to Yvonne and Charity. My Mom had been an Ethics Officer in 1968 on our first time in California. She took this stuff seriously.
Nonetheless, you are forgiven dear Terri whether you remember or not. Brainwashing a child is a terrible thing and you were subjected to it far longer than I. Ultimately, your survival and success is the greatest testament to your spirit and who you really are. I am fine. I love my life. I hope you love yours.
As I said, I never locked up anyone, LRH ordered all of the lock ups, not me. If Doreen had you locked up then it was at LRH’s order and if she didn’t do what she was told he would have locked her up too. That was how life was with him. Do it or be included. He ran the show and it was harsh and brutal all the way. We were simply his pinions, his slaves, his victims although I hate being called or considered a victim. Any injustices done on the ship like this were at his calling. We were under the same duress you were, the only difference was that we had no way to leave, no way out, as our parents had left us there thinking they were leaving us with the man that was “saving mankind”, at least you escaped to a better world. We lived there another 22 years in all and it was not a fun life, there was no love and compassion, no parental guidance, no one to watch over us, just harsh and unjust orders cast out all the time from LRH to others. You escaped early and I’m glad you got out of there, it was a hell hole. Let me quote from Janis’ book, the Preface at the beginning reads: “The closer you got to LRH the further from ideal life became”.
You might like to read her book, it might answer some questions for you and give you a better idea of what really went on behind the scenes with LRH. I’m sorry for what happened to you and to anyone else who was mistreated by LRH and Scientology and I’m sorry to hear stories like yours. I’m glad to hear you are doing so well now, that made me smile. I wish you well and I hope that one day we can talk, laugh and smile together and share the good things in life that we have always been looking for. You sound like a really good person.
Beautifully expressed Terri. You are indeed a lovely and loving person.
Thank you Terri. Back then, it seemed like LRH had no idea who the messengers in training were. I truly attributed everything that happened to you and the other ‘originals’ on Flag at the time.
I’d love to share my story of how a naive 14-year-old managed to get offloaded in non-E with a fake cognition and corresponding floating needle. I figured out how to use SCNs own BS to get out. Unfortunately, my trip home from Curacao to LA was scary and dangerous.
I must have had some amazing guardian angels. The folks on Flag never notified my parents and I had no info to contact them.
I was almost drawn back in after an amnesty in 1979. Was supposed to report after Jan 1st 1980. A few days before, I broke down and sobbed to my Mom that I feared by life was ending. That call to the recruiter, to say I wasn’t joining, was ugly. But…it showed me my decision was right.
I am so sad for all you went through. I know our parents, like so many others, thought they were doing the right thing for us.
Thank you for sharing with me. I continue to pray for the demise of SCN and the release of its members from bondage.
Well said Mike! Miscavige’s shrinking empire is sinking deeper and deeper into the mud. The times of the GO and almighty OSA are over. Miscavige can only bark in the dark and blame everyone else for the present situation but he has been at the helm of the ship of fools for three decades and the ship is doomed because reformation is impossible. Hubbard audited his BTs to the last day to no avail since there are no OTs so the cult of greed is like a. At dealer who sells you a rusty bicycle at the price of a RollsRoyce. There is something rotten in the kingdom of Danemark indeed.
Erratum: like a car dealer who sells you …
Dave,
Unceremonious Update:
Those outside the perimeters of your razor fences who know about you and Hubbard are using their torches and pitchforks to do what the Mormons just did for the first time in decades: oust the Head Honcho. Forget about the Victim, Bully, Religious, First Amendment, and Joker (you Mark) cards. Not gonna work.
You know, what I love most of today’s post is Leah’s photo. My God, what an incredible beautiful, interesting, smart, badass, confident, sweet, and compassionate woman!!! She is a non stopping train! God, my heart races just with the sound of her voice, 🙂
“Scientology has successfully hidden itself behind the First Amendment. It certainly makes it difficult for law enforcement to proceed. But it does not grant immunity to abuse.”
That’s right; it doesn’t!
“But his sheep’s clothing is no longer disguising the wolf too well. Snarling through gnashing teeth ‘we are really sheep, baah, baah’ is falling on ears that are becoming deafer as every abuse is exposed.”
This is EXACTLY what I have observed myself; people are dismissing the claims from the CofS almost as fast as they hear that they are coming from them.
“Pedophile priests acting holier than thou and hiding behind the walls of the church got away with it for a long time. But not forever.”
“Neither will scientology.”
That’s exactly the way I feel about it! It is incredible how “The Aftermath” is helping to turn things around. IMOH, It is going to be THAT strategy of constantly documenting the abuses, that will get others to become so sick of it all, that the authorities will have no other choice but to effectively act to stop the church in one way or another.
I think that it is a matter to keep widely and continuously exposing the abuses using the victims’ own testimonies, in order to achieve the goal of a reformed church from top to bottom. The strong public opinion against them will force them to do so sooner or later, and this time, I think that it will be sooner than later.
You know, Mike is an individual who neither need praise nor he ever seek it as far as I know. Regardless, I got to say that even though that this battle against the Human Rights abuses from this cult is one who have been fought by many, many warriors, the driving force of all of this; the individual behind the wheel; the one who has been at it day after day, week after week for many, many years; is Mike Rinder. Without him, the job would have been a LOT more difficult. He never backed out, he never retreated nor hesitated not even for a minute. And that takes some SERIOUS determination, persistence, and most importantly, it takes a lot of FAITH. One man against a mighty church.
Ironically, it is his name (among many, many others) and not LRH’s, who will forever be mentioned on the history books about the individual who said to a BILLIONAIRE cult, “Enough is enough”, and who had the balls to make it happen. But I like Leah much better than him. Sorry Mike, she is more beautiful, 🙂
I think Mike Rinder is a true example of redemption in action. He reminds me very much of the Paul story in New Testament Ephesians. Paul was vehemently persecuting the new Christians, but then he had a relevatory moment and suddenly he is now their biggest proponent and leader. In the process he himself became the type of “outlaw” he was chasing. All I can say is both Mike and Leah are truly inspiring as are the many people who speak out about any abuse from any type of organization, whether it be a church, a government, or a corporation.
Well said!
Pope Hubbard II has lost some serious ground past few years. Its almost like watching the fall of Rome.
And Miscavige will be playing the fiddle as Hemet/Flag burn……..
Lest any of those idiots think that is a ‘threat’ it’s not.
It’s a reference to Nero who allegedly played the fiddle as Rome burned.
They might know that if they studied something other than the ‘teachings’ of a drug addled sociopath.
Good point. Miscavige is certainly culturally illiterate. Hell, all scientologists are or they wouldn’t still be in. Just the sheer stupidity of thinking that “all you need” are LHR’s ridiculous scribblings is mind boggling. No Plato, no Bible, no Upanishads, no Shakespeare, etc. etc. Just the logorrheic ramblings of an evil narcissist.
I would like to indicate BPC from David Miscavige on everything Mike and Leah IS DOING ABOUT “IT”!
Mike and Leah – please….. CONTINUE
When Scientology is declared a business, the world will become a better place.
It is not an applied religious philosophy.
It is a paid for system of knowledge. Only some of it really works. Once the religion farce is exposed and disposed of, the business will fade and die.
Bummer that…the “parts that work” are called psychology and practicing medicine of any kind without a license is against the law. On the bright side, get them declared a business and then tag them for practicing medicine (psychology) without a license and I think you’ve got something.
Yes exactly.
For me the operative phrase in Mike’s essay is “have not resulted in prosecution. Yet’. That ‘yet’ is fast approaching. All it takes is one more person to come forward with rape or sexual misconduct allegations and the ‘Catholic Church’ Victim legal teams will get together and start those TV commercials that ask if you want to sue $cientology.
And there are so many reasons to sue, coerced abortions, cruel and substandard living conditions, fraud and so many other crimes committed against children. All of the foreign workers being brought in could sue for all of the above plus violations of immigration law.
Lawyers, there’s gold in them thare clams.
I visited Erin McMurtry’s Facebook page in the, ahem, aftermath of her “terror attack.” She appeared to be a self-styled social justice warrior who offered links to at least a dozen causes that she thought to be of pressing social import. Among them, she offered a link to Leah’s book. At the time, I saw no comments about the book other than maybe “Way to go, Leah.” (Of course, I am NOT saying that there weren’t comments that I missed; my patience for sifting through “social justice” ramblings on FB is limited). The book had just come out and was #1 on the NYT bestseller list. Many folks were paying attention to the book’s release at the time.
Other than that there was no evidence that Erin was inordinately fixated on Leah, the book or the cult. This appeared to be just one cause to her among many; apparently, she adopted causes rather readily. The connection between Leah’s book and Erin’s actions is about as compelling and direct as the connection between the movie “Taxi Driver” and the murder of John Lennon to anyone other than the tin-foil hat set. Certainly a whole lot less compelling than, for example, the connection between scientology “tech” and the death of Lisa McPherson or Cat White
Nevertheless, the fact that the “church” (and Marty Rathbun in his anti anti-scientology-cult film festival) are still dining out on this non-connection is telling! They simply have nothing even less remotely credible to offer when creating faux news about a non-existing wave of terror afflicting their benevolent and peace-loving organization.
Lil davey, you can run and hide like a scared baby rabbit but the hounds of hell are on your track and you will tire of being chased. Just like the catholic church, the truth will come to light and the laws of the land will prevail.
The ex-scilons have more to gain and as activists are ready and willing to get into the chase.
Blazing a Trail of Truth about david miscavige & his desperate end games. Love to you Mike & Christie and those two handsome young men.????
Yea go Mike.
Ann, check out the ozone saunas etc. Three oxygen particles, one that can’t wait to bounce off. Can blast away cancer among other things, looking forward to giving it a whirl myself.
Ahh the simple pleasures.
So, police officers banging on the Church’s door demanding to see Shelly M. equals “reports being unceremoniously dismissed”?
I guess that means if they ever took a report seriously they would just carpet bomb the church using B-52s?
I think the B-1 bomber would be the appropriate platform.
OH PLEASE! If you want to “hit the target”…..you give the job to a Naval Aviator!
The government NEVER declared Scientology to be a religion. It declared Scientology to be a charitable organization. That’s all. Under the 501(3)(c) section, you are a charitable organization if you have religious, educational or social betterment functions. But it DOES NOT SPECIFY WHICH ONE. Scientology claims ALL of those usually, but fails on all of them. No part of the government determines who is and who is not a religion. You are a religion if you say you are, and that’s it. That’s what the First Amendment means.
Please be aware…I am not saying Scientology is a religion because they say that they are. There is such a thing as the Court of Public Opinion. If 20,000 Scientolgists say there are a religion, and the other 99.999% of the humans of Earth say they are a scam, then they most assuredly are a scam.
20.000 is being friendly to the cult
http://tonyortega.org/2016/02/13/scientologys-space-man-as-of-2013-active-scientologists-fewer-than-20000-worldwide/
That was 2013, so BEFORE the Going Clear documentary and BEFORE the Aftermath docu series and BEFORE all kinds of other bad publicitiy for the COS.
In the UK more people identify their religion as Jedi Knight than as Scientologist.
I just watched The Hollywood Reporter’s Full Reality Roundtable featuring Leah Remini, RuPaul, Kris Jenner and others. I highly recommend it. The other speakers obviously held Leah in such high esteem. I’ve always completely dismissed Kris Jenner but even she gained some of my respect with her thoughtful and compassionate answers.
It’s on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hozcNbP77k8
Leah said so many good things but my favorite thing she said was this:
Moderator: Did anyone tell you not to do these shows?
Leah Remini: Everybody on my team told me not to. … Because they want me to be an actress. They want me to do what I love to do. Acting is something that I love to do, but this is my passion. They don’t want me to be known as somebody who does a show about Scientology, and I’m like, well, what am I going to do? Not do it? I often sit home watching documentaries going, um, that’s some effed up stuff; I hope someone’s doing something about that. And I’m like, well, they did. They did a documentary. So people like me get upset and they do something about it. Activate. Activate. Social activism means it’s a thing you gotta do.
Mike, its no exaggeration when I say that I love, absolutely love what you’ve written here, and how you’ve written it. Tough call, but this might be tops on my list of YOUR “Greatest Hits”. Thanks, Mike.
And that phrase can be taken definitively.
I agree, this is one of Mikes ‘greatest hits’ among many pointant entries in his blog. Thanks, Mike, for your tenaciousness in getting this job of having the authorities finally see what Scientology is and does to people.
It’s showtime. Ron dissed karma as being an implant.
Well, that implant kicked his indecent ass in that Blue Bird Moblile home.
He thought being Fabian would work.
In his hidden street, on a hidden street karma came a knockin.
This is Dave’s future. Try to hide. It won’t work.
Every evil act against families and Scientologists is spring loaded to boomerang like a tsunami headed your way.
Our job is to buy popcorn and sit back and watch.
My x wife will be vindicated.
Mike and Leah……the two of you are doing a wonderful thing. Like it says in the Rolling Stone article……I saw your show, I went on the internet…and I left. You have changed people’s lives.
You ROCK!!!!
Keep Going…….
Yours truly……..OverTheBridgeTPA
Congratulations OverTheBridgePTA! Welcome to a life of happiness and freedom.
How does it feel to throw the weight of scientology off your shoulders?
If I did NOTHING wrong even if it’s morally wrong but NOT illegal, I’d be saying..”bring it on! Investigate us! For my parishioners and our Church, let’s END THIS.” He can’t because he’d go to prison and the Church would lose Exempt status & all its money paying the retribution it owes its victims. Hell, if I was him I’d already be living in a non extradition country. Sipping Mai Tai’s and spending the Church’s hidden cash because I’d KNOW the end is near. He should have learned THAT from LRH! His ego and pride will be his ultimate downfall.
Regina, I hear you, but keep in mind one vital point: Miscavige is surrounded by lawyers to ensure he stays within the law. Their job no doubt includes assisting him in reining in his destructive impulses. Miscavige by now has to know he’s a frog in a pot full of slowly heating up water. When it gets too hot he’ll be advised to jump out, and he will. In the meantime, thanks to them. he stays within the law, and per our justice system he is innocent until proven guilty and he gets away with whatever he can until there is legal proof. Long ago he lost the Public Relations war. He knows that. But he won’t lose the legal criminality war unless there is sufficient proof. Doesn’t mean he’s innocent. It means he’s not guilty due to lack of and/or insufficient evidence. That sounds like a word salad but its how our justice system works. If I go out in the middle of the night and shoot stranger on a deserted country road, and there’s no murder weapon and no one saw me do it or heard a shot and there’s nothing to link me to the crime, in the eyes of the law, I’m “innocent”. of course, I put that in quotes because I’m not innocent at all, I did it! Well, the law calls that “Not Guilty”.
Hi Aquamarine… never underestimate the will of the public. The ever growing groundswell of public outrage of scientology and its leader David Miscavige is ensuring a very real possibility and high probability that criminal prosecutions will inevitably occur.
It took the death of one 13 year old girl at the hands of a repeat drunk driver and one MADD Mother (and a made for TV movie) to begin to change the public perception of drinking & driving and for the courts to change how they sentence offenders.
I can remember sitting at my desk in the office or at a restaurant or on a bus or an airplane breathing in the cigarette smoke of others and having no say in the matter.
When I was in high school (a very long time ago) girls could be mothers, secretaries, nurses, office clerks, store clerks, etc., but never doctors, lawyers, construction workers, pilots, police officers, fire fighters, hold political office, etc. and a woman should never expect to be paid the same wage for the same job as a man.
Continually expose the abuses and unfair practices to a big enough audience and wait because when public opinion turns it turns hard! I’ve seen a lot of it in my lifetime.
Wonderful post Hummin’ — nostalgic memories for oldsters like me and a ray of hope for the youngsters. When our time comes, it will be nice to think, in some small way, “I made a difference.”… Keep up the pressure; results are on the horizon.
‘Regarding Remini calling for an “investigation,” it is pure balderdash. The Church is a religious institution committed to our religious, social and humanitarian missions. The Church says Remini and her “sources” have continuously filed false reports with law enforcement that have been unceremoniously dismissed at both the state and federal level. The Church states this is yet another false call and is nothing more than a publicity stunt and further harassment of the Church and its parishioners.’
Also, did I mention that we are religious? Because we are religious.
Props for using the word “balderdash”. That is classic villain language right there.
” Props for using the word “balderdash”. That is classic villain language right there.”
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Yep Mark.. As does the word Rue.
And Scientology will RUE the day. Religion? Balderdash! It’s a vicious, toxic, militant cult.
500 attacks ? They pulled it in.
They pulled it in big time! Which can only mean one thing: The tek DOESN’T WORK! Run for your lives!
I love your banter. Clever, clever people you are. But we know…If the “tech” doesn’t work then nobody could “pull anything in”.
I don’t want anyone on the verge of leaving to be overwhelmed by their own possibly perceived responsibility.
Get out. You’ve been brainwashed. It happened to the best of us. We drank the kool aid too. Leave it behind….get free of the trap.
If it all wouldn’t be true (“balderdash”) the litigious CoS and David Miscavige (with their “war-chest” of millions of dollars) certainly would have sued for libel already to silence its critics and Leah Remini and Mike Rinder.
But DM is afraid that more of what he tries to hide will come out in the open; additionally to all what was already exposed and reported by the many ex members.
The “church” will never sue. They would then be subject to discovery. That’s when the top blows off the can of worms.
I love how you were once his victor and now you use your knowledge to call him out and show the world how he manipulates his disciples.
OMG!!! I cant wait till next Tuesday.I’m so looking forward to seeing the next season of Scientology the Aftermath. Keep up the great work of exposing this cult.The brainwashing must stop!!!
He’s just getting more desperate as each day goes by. You aren’t fooling anyone Miscavige. Mr. Rindaaah’s got your number.
Shouldn’t that be “numbaaah” 🙂
David Miscavige IS a hate crime. Add it to Websters!
And here I thought he was a pile of dog shit. Thanks for correcting me, Coop.
David Miscavige must love the word “balderdash”. 🙂
I like twaddle. The Twaddle of David Miscavige. It’s kinda catchy.
I resubmit the one word I learned in scn all those years ago which more than adequately despenses with Miscavige: TWIT!
Twit McSavage. Follow his twaddle on twittaaaah
Twit! Perfect, GS! He’s just a little…no, tiny twit.
I was going to make the same comment. He uses that word a lot, it must make him feel like a big man to use such a big word.
TA, I always thought it was, ‘bladderdash.’ You know, when you really have to go, but you can’t a bathroom?
😀
Mike, There are so many people behind you and Leah who desperately want to bring this insanity to an end. Hopefully many folks have submitted the necessary paperwork to IRS’s Exempt Organization dept. to ask them to take a look at Scientology’s tax exempt status. It’s just scary that there are those whales like Robert Duggan, Nancy Cartwright, etc. who contribute huge sums of tax exempt dollars to this cult. I think that is what troubles me the most. Money talks! It allows people like O.J. to get away with murder and Jeffrey E. to get away with pedophilia. And sadly I’m sure there are many others. But having said all that, don’t give up the fight. We got your back!
I would be willing to testify under oath that Scientology as I experienced it is not a religion. At best it should be classified as a “self-help” business. At worst, a scam that preys upon people’s insecurities to fleece them, and this can become abuse. I never experienced physical abuse but definitely experienced the mind games and pressure to “donate” where it was also referred to as “buying services”. What religion tells you to put money “on account” in order to receive counseling? What religion has a guide to staff called “Hard Sell techniques “? Pfft! It’s a business, plain and simple. Once you’ve been through rigging you quickly realize that. A “religious” business.
Autocorrect doesn’t recognize “regging” as a word, keeps changing to rigging. Ironic, actually! It is right. Scientology is a rigged game!
If you just keep putting in ‘regging’ at some point it will stick. The proper name of my home state is, Hawai’i.
“Butt hurt” lol, love it and you Mike Rinder for your dedication to exposing this cult.
Marty, go to the FBI and ask for immunity if you expose DM’s crimes. This way yo won’t end up in prison with Miscavige. Save yourself while you can, then he will have no more blackmail material on you and no more hold over you. It’s not too late. You can do it. We will support you all the way.
I don’t know about you, Terri, but you can take me off your list of those who will “support Marty all the way” if he comes clean. You see, I have an issue for cowards who like to play in whatever side they deem convenient for them. He had his chance and threw it all away. Now karma will knock on his door; that’s just the way life works.
Exactly right, Karma will do it’s thing regardless but better for him and us that he do this now and lighten his load at least………
Marty can assist us in saving those still trapped and that is what I am interested in doing right now.
Since I believe he was paid off, not sure your plan is going to fly.
It doesn’t matter if he was paid off (and I’m sure he was), if he exposes EVERYTHING on Miscavige he can lighten his load and save those still trapped and THAT is the MOST important issue right now.
I think he was coerced into taking that payoff by some threat he took seriously. Miscavage is gleefully watching as all Marty’s friends abandon him. Those videos he is making are coerced as well. I think he’s living in fear right now, and Miscavage is getting everything he wants.
What I mean is, Marty may not have had the option of saying no to a payoff, if the threat was serious enough. The deal to stop Miscavage from harming his family physically or however, would force Marty to 1) drop the lawsuit so dm wouldn’t be deposed 2) take an obvious payoff so Marty’s friends would think Marty made a favorable agreement with the church and break ties with him 3) Make videos criticizing his friends and the ex community that the church could use. There may be nothing we can do to help Marty now, except work to take dm down. And perhaps let him know he is not alone.
“Exactly right, Karma will do it’s thing regardless but better for him and us that he do this now and lighten his load at least……”
I like the way you reason things out, Terri. That’s refreshing, 🙂
Marty can help save people and at least start the process of his own redemption, saving those lost souls is the key right now.
So true Terri. It’s never too late to do the right thing.
You posted this on Marty’s blog. And they actually let it through!
I replied to you but I do not think that will make it through.
I concur
Mark “Marty” Rathbun doesn’t deserve or want forgiveness. He doesn’t feel he has done anything wrong. He is a “fruitcake”…
It’s not about giving Marty forgiveness, it’s about saving those still in there and Marty can help while at the same time helping himself. Marty knows what I’m saying is true and it’s not too late for him to do the right thing and seek redemption and truth.
We must save those still trapped. They have no way out. They are condemned for life, no money, no physical way of getting past the guards, no family to go to (in their minds), they have given in. Those are the people that need our help.
Your heart is in the right place Terri.
I second what MJ said. You have a heart as big as all outdoors.
As a suggestion. A drone(s) over int dropping pamphlets, that are within the reality of those still there. Along the lines of the Debbie Cook email.
Terry you are a noble soul. Just as your mother.
Terri, ANYBODY can leave that wants to. Only they can save themselves.
Terri G, post that exact comment on Marty’s site. Even if he doesn’t publish it, he will read it before rejecting it. Well, that is IF he is still in control of his site. IF OSA took it over, then that is another kettle of fish. But yes, Marty needs to ask the FBI for immunity if he testifies against DM and the church. That way justice can be done re the church and Marty might be able to save himself going to jail for his complicity and actions in all the overts.
Good idea, I will do that !
@Terri, IMHO, and only my opinion, I think Marty wouldn’t have enough credibility to go to the FBI now. He has contradicted himself so many times now that no matter what he said, it wouldn’t be taken as the truth because he has stated “facts” that contradict themselves so many times after escaping. His credibility with any LEO is less than 0. It would take a man or woman of integrity to go to the FBI before they would deal.
Also, it is my belief and would probably be the belief of the FBI that the only reason Marty would come to them would be to “make a deal” to get himself out of the boiling water into which he dipped himself, not to actually fix things.
When I went to the FBI with my attorney and told them what I knew, I fully expected jail time and threw myself at their mercy. I didn’t go for a deal, I went to clear my conscience and my heart. Marty “I would never sell out” (until he did) continues to prove that he has neither.
Valerie, we want to do all we can to help rescue those poor souls still locked inside that cannot physically escape at all. It doesn’t matter about Marty’s credibility, he can still tip off the FBI to help save save those that are still trapped inside. He has enough knowledge to do that. That’s what’s important right now is to save those souls before it’s too late as they are slowly dying off.
Terri, what a great idea. I have supported Marty in the past and would do so again in the future IF he “turned state’s evidence” to put a final stake in this monster’s heart. I am sure others would too. Few people were tortured as much as Marty…..and today I see him as just another fallen soldier in the field of battle.
“Few people were tortured as much as Marty…..and today I see him as just another fallen soldier in the field of battle.”
Marty is not a “victim” in any way, shape or form. Marty helped to destroy many lives, and helped to cover up many crimes. He isn’t/wasn’t any “soldier” at all; he played in the side that suited him best. I laugh at this “poor Marty” misguided attitude. He is just a pathetic soul.
Be careful. Sitting in judgement is an addictive drug.
Chris, EVERYONE sits in judgment. Most days of their life. JUDGMENT is an ability humans have. You’d be dead if you had none.
It sure beats your head in sand model.
Great article Mike, keep up the good fight and we are with you 100%.
To this day Miscavige locks up his top execs so they can’t report on his lies and abuses, we must expose this and he should be incarcerated for his crimes to mankind. Let me know when we are ready to go to the base with a big bus to load everyone up and rescue them from his spiritual, physical and emotional entrapment and abuse. Miscavige will be on the run and hiding from the law just like LRH was……. the time is near now.
Terri,
A big thank you for your posts today. You rock girl!
I can only hope that my daughter (35 yrs old) who works in the HGB and used to be deputy C/O of the CMO-IXU will somehow be able to put her life back together after this cult has flowed down into the closest sewer. She has had 19 years of piss poor training but you give me hope. Terri did it, maybe Haley can too!
The See Ogre reminds me of Jonestown. I hope we can take muckraker out before He can do much more damage.
Yo Dave,
We ARE coming for You good buddy. Four more days before the next demonstration of massive expansion of Your Cult via the critics of Scamology. It was your dear friend who said something on the order of ‘the critics only howl when we are expanding’. I guess we both know by now that is a crock full of Daveshit. But don’t tell your minions Dave, keep on keepin on with your not so secret secrets …. good fucking buddy!
Oh yes, about four more hours left to show how wonderful this weeks stats are. Betcha can hardly wait!!!!
Hoping your daughter comes home soon, Coop.
Speaking of taking a big bus up to Hemet and freeing everyone from Int, why not do it while DM is not there? He hasn’t been there in four years. Chances are that even the guards that keep people in, might throw down their guns and run toward freedom and open the gates if we came. I want the FBI and other government officials to interview the long time execs in the Hole before they all die. And with that bad food and treatment and long hours and not much exercise or sunlight and air, it is shortening their lives even as we speak. The execs know where the bodies are buried. And that is why they are hidden at the Hole, so that they can never have a chance to talk and expose DM’s crimes.
My concern exactly, he is killing them off slowly with the emotional & spiritual abuse, enslavement and entrapment…….. we must get them out of there. We must.
“…we must get them out of there. We must”.
Absolutely but what about those Holees or others who say they WANT to stay, there’s NO abuse, etc. etc….the Stockholm Syndrome guys? They can’t be forcibly removed. A plan has to be in place for dealing with that scenario as regards at least some of them.
Terri, I don’t read all the posts, but having read a couple of yours I just want to say……You are so right on! Those poor people who are still trapped need a voice, and you are that voice for them. You go girl!
Count me on, Cindy
“Miscavige will be on the run and hiding from the law just as LRH was…”
Dear God, I hope so.
During my defamation case in Ireland last year I had the Scientology barrister acting on instructions from Peter Hodkin, the Scientology solicitor and Massimo Angius, an odious OSA tool who has covered up many child sex abuse cases, state that some specific cases I had mentioned in my talk were “dismissed” or closed. As I was in the dock giving evidence with no access to real time information I said that if that were so then I retract what I had said. When I got home and checked I found that the cases were indeed ongoing and that the utterances I had made over a year earlier were in fact true. For those who don’t know, I won my case.
Seriously, good for you!
+1! Yeah, baby!
And now, the end is near
And so you face the final curtain
DM, I’ll say it clear
I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain
You’ve lived a life of bull
You’ve traveled L. Ron Hubbard’s highway
But more, much more than this
You did it your way
Regrets, no not for you
But then again, who needs redemption?
You did what you had to do
And finally got that tax exemption
You planned each charted course
Each careless step along the byway
And more, much more than this
You did it your way
Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew
When you bit off more than you could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
You ate it up and spit it out
You faced it all, sang ‘We Stand Tall’
And did it your way
You’ve shoved, you’ve punched and pried
You’ve had your fill, your share of boozing
And now, as truth presides
I find it all so damn amusing
To think you did all that
And may I say – not in a shy way
Oh no, oh no, not you
You did it your way
For what is a man, when he is not
To know down deep, that he’s been caught
To say the things that aren’t real
And not the words of one who feels
The record shows you caused the blows
And did it your way
Yes, it was your way
Music Junkie That was awesome!
Thanks so much Lorrie.
MJ, I say this not lightly; you have outdone yourself. This now tops the charts for my fave of YOUR “Greatest Hits”.
Much appreciated Aqua.
Outstanding post, MJ! Laughing my ass off!
Thanks OSD. Dave’s always good for a few yucks.
You’re good! Real good!
That was awesome! Frank would be proud. ?
Many thanks Gflded.
Xcellent, Music Junkie!
Thanks Spike!
L:MAO…..this tops them all!
This should be up for a GRAMMY Nomination……honestly, I don’t think Frank Sinatra would mind that you changed the words up a bit…..love it!
You’re too kind. Thanks Balletlady.
Knowing Marty reads this blog and searches the comments for his name:
Marty buddy, you are on the wrong side of history. It’s not too late to explain yourself
Oh yes it is! 😉
Agree pedrofuck. Marty had a chance at a decent life and he has flushed it down the cults drainhole. How many times can you flip flop and expect anyone to trust you? Really too bad for his wife and kid.
Only in the sense that if Marty could explain why he flipped, whether it be through payout, threat or coercion, that would bring even more evidence of illegal acts.
For example, if Miscavige paid Marty off, that would be a crime.
Sure, it might be bad for Marty, but it’s better than being Miscavige’s bi+€£ the rest of his life.
Marty could expose a lot of Miscavige’s crimes. He could still make COB ‘rue the day’
Do you think anyone would believe him at this point in time?
“Were you lying then or are you lying now Marty?”
Possibly, if Marty can prove the reasons for his recent turnabout – ‘I was being threatened with x, y and z’ or ‘I was paid off and here is proof’.
Unlike Marty’s recent examples of ‘proof’ (“Tony Ortega is not in the Index of Going Clear!” – relevance?), he may actually have
evidence hidden away somewhere that would could be harmful to the HMIC (Head Midget In Charge).
All Marty has really done in these videos is make ridiculous statements that are easily contradicted and proven false. I think an explanation for this craziness might be believed if it can be proven (receipts, letters, etc)
Yah, I agree – I was thinking that if he could produce hard facts / evidence that could be corroborated by totally independent sources (law enforcement; lawyers, etc) outside of his personal testimony that would be the best because if it is just his word vs the Scientology lawyers – I fear he may have tainted his credibility a tad.
Then there is that other legal matter that his former lawyers are pursuing (mentioned on Bunker a few weeks back) – I’ve wonder how that’s going.
Oh interesting times for Marty and his bunkmates!
After re-watching the BBC reporter’s show, I don’t think Marty can explain himself because they clearly have something on him regarding his child and family. This is why it seems such a bad idea to tell them everything in these “sessions”. There is a big warehouse here in Clearwater where they keep all the PC records. The thought doesn’t escape me that they keep them because they may “need” them one day.
“Only in the sense that if Marty could explain why he flipped…”
That’s really the crux of the issue. We don’t know why. If we knew, in all likelihood, we could forgive him.
Here’ my gut instinct or hunch or whatever you want to call it:
I think the cult used “The Carrot and The Stick” method on him.
The Stick:
Many, MANY possibilities. Here’s one straight out of the dark recesses of Aquamarine’s mind: the cult threatening to inform Marty’s son,( as soon as he’s old enough to understand) all the things that his father did when he was Miscavige’s 2nd in Command. All the stuff, and then some. When the boy is old enough to go to school, telling his friends and their parents ALL about his loving father’s former “career”. This would shock and devastate the boy and severely damage if not destroy his relationship with his Dad. Anyone whose Still In children child have been entertained with choice snippets from their parents’ PC folder.
The Carrot:
Money, and NOT disclosing anything to the child, but instead, insuring the child is never harmed in any way by what his father did, back in the day.
Again, this is JUST AN OFF THE CUFF CONJECTURE as to why Marty flipped.
I do not know why. Apparently no one here knows either.
In the meantime, its upsetting, this vacuum.
There’s a great temptation to fill it with out own conjectures and judge accordingly – something I just did myself.
I’m not defending Marty but I’m not condemning him either.
Of course, this is easy for ME to say because Marty Rathbun isn’t trashing ME after having been friends, after sharing confidences and trusting one another with VERY personal stuff. I can imagine how I’d react if that were so and don’t blame anyone for being furious and disgusted, etc. with Marty Rathbun. I DO get it.
Nevertheless, the simple fact remains that we still do not know enough about this situation.
Edit: Anyone whose Still In children have been entertained by choice snippets from their parent’s PC Folder would understand.
Since his wife’s former attorneys are asking for an explanation, I’m hopeful we will soon get more information regarding Marty’s position.
Marty might be busy trying to hide his payout from CoS…& the lawyers who want answers.
To DM – Yes, you did it your way….
and now the path is filled with sorrow.
You drink and wait on ‘morrow,
to see the withered fruit of all the lies,
So many faces creased by cries
Of lost loves that never dies.
Disconnected from reality
And sins in totality
Not as good as MusicJunkie but I can’t stop the tune in my head!
No explanation necessary. Actions speak louder than words.
Chee,
I view that Marty has spun around the pole of ‘acceptable truths’ so many times that he would have to have his hard drive reformatted to ever again say and do in a straight line. The ‘Wizard of Wrathbun’ simply projects what the tiny tyrant behind the curtain feeds him. Consider it dubbed-in reality from a psychopath. Only the several thousand bobble-head believers take in his dreck.
Mike Rindaaaah, on the other hand, is seen to be straight and true, and hence he has world wide acceptance and trust. Evidenced by Aftermath 1 doing so well and Aftermath 2 about to be released. Go Mike and Leah, and A&E too!
Mike, (Mr. Rindaaaaah) 😉 Outstanding “take down” of what the midget and his minions are desperately trying to contain & why!