I am well aware of Godwin’s Law* but I just could not think of any better visualization of the message of this email.
Everything that has been decreed “unacceptable” in today’s fundamentalist scientology is to be collected up and disposed of. Books, materials and e-meters.
And just why is this no longer “acceptable”?
Because the Dear Leader has declared it to be so. It was all perfectly OK until he stood on stage last November and announced that as of now it is no longer acceptable reading material. Hell, they were trying to unload these VERY meters by offering discounts on them up until days before the big announcement and release of the long-awaited Warehouse VIII. So, that $3000 (or whatever you spent) for a Mark Ultra Super VII on 1 November has been decreed worthless today. Thank you for your donation. Sucker.
Dear xxxx,
Target 5 of I HELP INT ED 128, GOLDEN AGE OF TECH PHASE II, I HELP MASTER IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM, says: “Get all pre-Golden Age of Tech Phase II materials (including Mark Super VII Quantum E-Meters and accessories) collected up and sent to the BSO of your nearest org for disposal. A list of these is attached to this issue.”
We have not yet gotten any evidence from you that this target is complete. Yet this is a vital target to get done as only this way can we clean out any non-standard materials and make sure that all that is being used is pure LRH.
Please take the above mentioned list of items that is attached to I HELP INT ED 128 and do the following:
1) With the list go through all of your materials. Make an exact inventory of what you find. Also mark how many of each item.
2) Pack it all up and bring it to the BSO of your org.
3) Have the BSO verify that all you marked on the list is in his hands now and have him attest this.
4) Send your inventory with the attestation of the BSO to us.This is to get done xxx April 2014, with evidences arrived to I HELP EU. Do not delay it further. This has to get done now. It’s an important step of Keep Scientology Working!
Best regards,
Tobias Kindlimann
Membership Activation Off
I HELP Europe
*Godwin’s law is an Internet adage asserting that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1” that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.
“Keeping Scientology Working” : 1991 One: Having the Correct Technology Two: Knowing the technology Three: Knowing it is correct Four: Teaching correctly the correct technology Five: Applying the technology Six: Seeing that the technology is correctly applied Seven: Hammering out of existence INCORRECT TECHNOLOGY Eight: Knocking out INCORRECT APPLICATIONS Nine: CLOSING THE DOOR ON ANY POSSIBILITY OF INCORRECT TECHNOLOGY Ten: CLOSING THE DOOR ON INCORRECT APPLICATIONS”
And you say LRH was “Too busy to see these imperfections? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO.
“Dave” is a lightening rod, illiterate Moron, and those that follow are the same, or worse.
Tory/Magoo
Well… This made sense in Hubbard days because Hubbard’s tech was 100% correct and workable ;), but Miscavige and his team altered the materials and so now it’s a mess.
I can’t take this anymore. Is there an end to idiocy at CofS? This isn’t even just stupidity anymore. Scientologists are heading to become “property of the psychs” at this point.
Stick around Eugene – it’s gonna get worse.
lol Actually, come to think about it, they probably already are “property of the psychs.” I mean who else could be running the Church? That is if you use a broader meaning of “psychs.”
Today’s CoS is purged of impurities, old tech, bad people, and things we don’t do now, like ‘think for yourself’; instead, they offer LRH ‘flavour.’ As such, it should be re-branded and re-marketed as ‘New’; perhaps then the public will take more notice.
‘Hey, let’s get married in a Scientology Church – sounds way kinky, man! They’ve got their own religion and everything, it’ll be a hoot.’
This is actually a key point in my spouse’s evolution toward getting out of the cult control mindset.
One day, as we were coming home and talking about GAT 1 (before there was a 2) my spouse said, “I guess we should round up all of our old books and destroy them.”
Without any comm lag and as an instant read I said, “No one is touching MY F*ing books!” Tone 40 and straight from my thetan gut. Knee jerk reaction.
At this point, my spouse later told me, “I knew then that there must be something really wrong because you had such an intense reaction.”
Yeah, and here’s my intense reaction to this sh*t now: “Hell no, you f*ing A**hole, Miscavige. Leave my sh*t alone!”
This literally makes me want to puke.
He’s come undone…It’s too late, he’s gone too far, he’s lost the sun…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb9P8BLipqo
Right on Indie 8 Million!!!!!
The staff don’t bat an eyelid at doing all this sort of thing because DM is allowing them to rake off 10% I believe. Very “clever” move. This also explains all the T&P accounts being raided or just consumed for books because the staff doing so GET 10% COMMISSION. The current Captain FSO tried this on with me once and I told him to get lost. Davey boy also gets a 10% cut (overall I suppose?) as well or he used to as head of Author Services (but then it is highly unlikely he has stopped doing so). Apart from being quotaed this is why staff like Examiners are “selling” books – they are getting a nice little 10%, or someone is. Same for the whole IAS scam as well. What a travesty the whole thing has become under this psychotic creep. Ron would be turning in his grave if he had one.
Yes, that is how DM got agreement with the out tech: he just paid commissions to all involved…. the church has now gone Multi Level! And it gets worse. I had the BC paid for at ASHO for decades and I can’t tell you all the times I was called after a new release and told to unmock that BC money to buy tapes or books or whatever the item du jour was. It was so that the SO member calling could get a commission. What they never looked at was it was unmocking an entire BC package that would make a Class VI auditor. They didn’t care: it was a commission to them.
I have been a Scientologist for a long time. I like Scientologists. And I do have compassion for those who have not confronted the fact that David Miscavige has been destroying LRH’s organizations and squirreling his Tech for many years. DM has been very clever in doing this one little step at a time. If he had tried what he is doing right now all at once immediately after LRH left the scene back in 1986, all parishioners would have left the organization en masse. They would have strung him up from a light-post figuratively just as the Italians did to Mussolini in reality. Does Mussolini come under Godwin’s Law, too? 🙂 I don’t care because the comparison is also appropriate.
But this is it. Much as I love all of my fellow Scientologists for the good purposes they espouse, those who buy into this obviously suppressive bullshit, will actually deserve to lose the subject of Scientology. And and if they do buy into this, they already have lost it…..in more ways than one.
LRH never saw, much less approved of a Mark VIII “emeter”. He never saw or approved any book, bulletin, or policy issued after he left the scene. Anyone who attributes this stuff to LRH is a fool in my opinion.
But anyone who accepts and therefore condones the destruction of LRH approved materials has gone over a line. There is a fine line between extreme gullibility or misplaced trust, and intentional complicity with criminal behavior. And there is a point where it must be assumed that destructive behavior is intentional if it continues much beyond the point where a person of below average intelligence could easily notice that it was wrong. That point has been reached.
No real Scientologist will go along with this.
But real Scientologists will persevere helping themselves and others using the Tech of Scientology. We will survive. And we are doing so in the Indie field despite the suppressive efforts and betrayals of trust perpetrated by David Miscavige and his cowed and misguided followers.
Wow. Hammer down, Espiritu.
That is EXACTLY right. I’m saving your note to send to my “still in” friends.
May I suggest that others do the same? If you’re under the radar, start a hushmail account with a different name and send it to your friends anonymously, if you have to.
This is powerful.
Thanks, Espiritu.
Can someone help me communicate my website to “still-ins” as well? I was in Scientology for only a few years. I had my share of experiences and seeing the “outpoints” so I got into a lot of disagreement with the way things were and went off to look for answers/solutions to problems in the organization. I eventually found the original materials from the 70’s and spent over a year (part-time) comparing the new Basics to the originals as well as scrutinizing Miscavige’s statements at the Basics Event (mostly easily proven lies). I created a website, but I don’t know how to communicate it more broadly to Scientology community especially those still in. I printed all of my reports and took them to CSI building a little over a month ago; I’m not sure what they did with it.
I want more people to have clear proof that they are being deceive. I did a lot of work so that other people don’t have to. Can someone help me communicate it to more Scientologists? I already communicated it in some groups of those that left, but I want those still in to see it:
http://www.trueLRH.com
I have a pretty complete set of tapes, books, and other materials from the 60s and 70s. Maybe they will appreciate like art!
After all, the author is dead (always makes the price go up) and the other original copies are getting scarcer in the church purges (and scarcity makes the price go up).
The only problem is that things will only appreciate if there is also a desire for the material.
Pulping is the new burning.
Since the older works of LRH are already engraved on titanium plates, is it possible that Miscavige introduced GAT II to make sure Shelly has to redo all of the engraving and therefore never sees freedom again?
DM will skip the engrave step and go directly to grave.
I guess the burning question is, “Will this be enough to bring those still believing in The Church of Scientology out?”
When I was on OT VII and arrived at Flag dutifully every 6 mos, you would get the latest skinny while you were waiting at the HGC or the Canteen. As I would have to go to the Canteen to purchase overpriced hard-boiled eggs every hour at the insistence of the Board I/C.
I would find out quickly, what the latest torture was that I would have to look forward to during my 6 mos check. And whom would be subjecting me to such torture. And my fellow victims that had been there for a few days ahead of me did not like the torture either. We talked honestly but in round about terms. Such as buying new books and packs. But the point is, we complied. We bought the books, we paid for hours and hours in Qual. We paid for new course packs, we had look in sessions, new cramming methods, paid to redo the PTS/SP course before we could leave and we paid for more intensives. We paid to be told that we were Clear again!
I got tired of this stuff and started having reasons NOT to go to FLAG for my 6 mos checks. And I was constantly broke! I got to the point that I did not care if the D of P sent me an ethic summons.
The people that are still in are also going to get a belly full of the regging, the rules, the disconnection, going backward on the Bridge and paying to run around a pole for hours, I predict many will leave with the shredding of the books and meters. This is over the top. Most of the people that are still in are over the age of thirty and the have read the book 1984. And these people know better than to ask “Why”. They will get their questions answered either by friends whom are out ot the Church or by LOOKING at the internet.
This was a brilliant move by David Miscavaige to finish off the The Church of Scientology.
Thanks, Dave!
The reason Scientology prices are so inflated is because Dave tries to get them to match his head size.
Lest you haven’t seen George Orwell’s “Nine-Teen-Eighty-Four,” here is the whole film. If you haven’t read or watched it, you may be amazed and disgusted at how close it is to DMs operating basis. Anyone feel that he might have studied this to FIND good ways to suppress and control people? That’s my vote.
This was written by Orwell after being privy to inside information (as a Communist) in the Spanish War. He was told that the Communists actually were planning these things for the future. That’s when he severed his ties with the Communist party and wrote this book to let people know what was planned. He had to write it as a novel to get it published. But look at all of the things that have come to pass since 1949. Even down to the Hitlerian children. If you want the blueprint for what’s happening now, this may be it. Are the Thought Police watching (OSA)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajWC_J-jgLc
I loved the old editions of LRH’s books, like Science of Survival, Scientology 08, etc. aesthetically they looked like the old edition of the Oxford dictionaries. I never liked the new ones, which look so much like sci-Fi books. I dumped all the new basics!!!! but I must admit that the French translation of the new ones is better than the old one. Translations is Scientology are usually done by people who are not professional; It’s the Sea Org mentality, that even if you are not trained for a job, you can do it. Well I disagree, try to have a Sea Org member replace a SAS trooper, or a conductor of the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra, or the Chef of the Ritz hotel in Paris and what do you get? an amateurish mess without any doubt in spite of good intentions. The person who decides about the editions, the changes and all the rest is Miscavige. Well he has not the slightest idea of what training is. Old timers like Karen de la Carriere, Ken Urquarth and the tech terminals of the Old Saint Hill who were trained by LRH knew what the tech was all about. They knew what the auditor’s code was and had the goal of helping other people. Miscavige is totally incompetent!! He used to work probably as a camera man in Gold and he was good in eliminating any one that would be a threat for his quest for power. Tom Cruise spoke of him as being the most “compassionate” man he had known. Poor Tom Cruise, he is going to die and there will be no eternity for him, no OT powers, nothing. The KGB used to consider the left wingers in the West as “useful idiots”, that is just what he is, by condoning the “cult of greed and power”. Power was taken by the “rouge of rouges” the bully who pretends to be an “ecclesiastical leader”… LRH was far from perfect, but in the old days people say he was fun to be around and he was inspiring. 90% of the people he trained personally and who were his staff at the OLd Saint Hill or in the Apollo have been declared! I guess this new Nazi purification of improper books will end up with more and more public and Staff ARC broken. So they were right when they said ad the Village Voice that the N° one of the people crippling Scientology is David Miscavige. He is doing a very good job at it!
He’s the best!
Any ideas on how I Help can or will enforce this dictate for their auditors to give over all their old meters and books? Would I Help actually shut down a mission for such an infraction? Forgive my naivete in asking these questions, please.
IHELP’s jurisdiction is over field auditors. They can’t directly order mission, org or AO and Flag auditors.
Their typical method of handling field auditors who don’t comply with this sort of thing is to suspend or revoke IHELP membership, or simply route the auditor to an org for ethics and cramming. Until they comply, IHELP can deny them the right to audit their pc’s, which for many field auditors is their livelihood.
I’m sure there are programs in place to ensure all public turn in their “old” emeters and books and go to the bookstore officer to buy all the new shiny GAG II materials for a bazillion dollars. And as part of that, people who are on auditor training will be given a grace period to handle this lack of correct technology (if DM is feeling benevolent). If they don’t comply, and if history is any indication, they’ll be routed off training services until they get the right meters and books. And will likely visit the ethics officer meanwhile to be prodded along on forking over the cash.
What a church, what a church.
As I reported at http://possiblyhelpfuladvice.com/?p=15730 the demand was for immediate compliance. The person supplying the report specifically asked what the grace period and there was none. The instructions issued by SMI to missions were for immediate compliance, too.
NO FREAKING GRACE PERIOD THIS TIME, CHUMPS.
SMI threatened to pull a Mission Holder’s approval for running a Mission if he didn’t force his staff to comply with this bullsh. So yes, they would shut down a Mission for this.
Dave, take a lesson here:
Daniel Sturridge plays school camera prank: http://youtu.be/I299Xrryhbc
Do not dispose of your old outdated rarely used E-Meters, It took me awhile to find a use for them but I did it. They make great door stops with the stand extended. Leave the cover off and they make great conversation pieces for that late night beer drinking with your “never in” house guests. keep them charged and your drunk friends can see what time it is while they are laying on your floor. Now to find a use for the remote tone arm and those cans that don’t hold water.
I guess now everyone can wipe their asses with the reams of “Complete Your LRH Library” promo sitting in org basements across the globe.
Every new wave of financial greed needs a crusade, a mission, a purpose. Let this one go the way of the “Passport to Freedom”, the “KTL/LOC Evolution” (that everyone just HAD to do now, now now!), the ….. …name your era of avarice and in its wake you will find “bright ideas” that were abandoned and discarded as fast as a child’s faddish toys the week or even day after Christmas.
It’s amazing how I never caught on. I just thought it was a case of too-much-to do-with-too-little-resources. It never dawned on me that these continuously changing, great new plans were simply the next running scheme to fleece the members while tangentially giving hard working staff and SO members something so taxing to do, they wouldn’t have time to question their part in the scam.
You’ve got to give the master vulture and his crew a lot of credit. Nowhere in the sordid ruins of the decades worth of lies, nowhere amidst the empty sucked out shells of once vibrant adherents, nowhere will you find an even a momentary flinch, a second’s worth of conscience, an atom’s worth of decency.
That’s not easy to pull off. Few could run that game. Increasingly less and less are willing to follow.
I guess this means David is going to set bonfires in the billion dollar vaults where he spend billions securing Hubbard’s works when he had a brighter view of the old man?
I reported on this back in January.
http://possiblyhelpfuladvice.com/?p=16520
But the protest was that I was reporting that all parishioners were expected to comply, even though it didn’t say so in the issue that was leaked.
Today’s post by Mike shows that (gasp!) yes, all parishioners were expected to turnover their old materials to the “Disposal Officer”.
Next lifetime I’m going to join a church that doesn’t cancel its old materials every few years and require re-purchase. Like the Q’uran, or the Torah, or the Bible.
Scientology: The only disposable religion.
Dave’s getting his cues from Gillette.
Funny….Miscavige has an aneurysm that sends a blood clot to his brain that some “scientologist” misdiagnoses as a psychotic break, so the “authorities” lock Miscavige up until he wastes away and dies, at which point someone will drive his body to a safe-house in Apple Valley and call the paramedics, claiming they “found” him after not hearing him move in the house for the past 14 hours.
No, wait. They already pulled that stunt with Alexander Jentzsch. And Lisa MacPherson.
Rule 1: Never let the body be found on “church” property.
From June to till December 1989 I was working at Saint Hill Castle in the uk , there were incinerators down across from the stables area , every day LRH books were being burned , every single day hundreds of books were burned , sometimes I was given the job of burning them , and sometimes the RPF were doing it , most of the books were OEC volumes , but also many other books.
If you give books and materials to the Co$ , they will burn them or destroy them some other way .
Criminal mentality. People work for and own whatever is in their home. It does not belong to the Church, it belongs to the people who worked for and bought those items. Yet the Church thinks they can tell it’s members to surrender them upon request.
“Destroy products of Hubbard”.
The staff are really tripping now.
Methinks there’s a malicious virus in the kool-aid causing a betrayal of former allegiances.
+1
+1 Exactly, Oracle. Suppressive think. No one owns anything anyway.
Isn’t this simply an ongoing admission that Scientology doesn’t work? (At least to the degree that it promises). So when it inevitably doesn’t do what it promised they have to keep moving the goalposts and say, “Well we know it didn’t work before but that’s because we were doing it wrong! Now we’ll take all your old materials and you can simply buy all the new stuff. We’re sure it’ll work this time…”
It probably also is a helpful way to gauge if someone is still a willing mark as:
1. If they arent willing to give it back then they are disaffected in some way. Either aren’t using it anymore cause they don’t believe in it or are still using it and aren’t willing to start over.
2. If they gladly hand it over then the fundraising can continue! (We need you to buy 10 sets of Basics for the Bangladesh library)
With another nod to Godwin’s Law, in 1943 the Allies abandoned plans to attempt the assassination of Hitler. The rationale was that he was doing such a good job of facilitating his own demise they didn’t want to slow down the process. Sound familiar?
Speaking of Hitler facilitating his own demise….
I saw a show last night on Hitler and his health.
Seems he was on a fast road out….he used amphetamines
and liked cocaine on occasion. In the last PR film of him
viewing troops, hours before his death, a portion of the film
was cut out but then discovered years later. It was a back view
and showed his left shaking uncontrollably. It later came to
light he had Parkinson disease.
It does indeed suck to be Miscavige.
I ment to say his left hand shaking uncontrollably.
Talking about Hitler, Bruno Ganz did an outstanding performance in the German war film the Downfall i directed by Oliver Hirschbiegel, and depicting the final ten days of Adolf Hitler’s reign over Nazi Germany in 1945. Ganz is seen as Hitler, giving medals to Nazi children from the Hitler Jugend who had destroyed Russian tanks with their panzerfausts. I think often of DM, getting more and more out of reality in his bubble like old Adolf in his bunker. By the way, poor TC will never be able to 1 / 10 as good as a real actor like Bruno Ganz.
“Under the Staff Librarian, the Org Library ideally contains 2 copies of everything that has ever been issued—books, tapes, policies, technology, packs …” From FDD 18 QUAL INT 2. October 1971. L. Ron Hubbard said basically the same in a Talk on a Basic Qual from 5. September 1971. I do not have the english original, but he does says: “… that has ever been issued“. He does not exclude anything, no matter if incorrect, canceled, written by an SP etc. Oh, I am sorry. I am referring to a lecture, that has not been corrected yet by Captain Miscavige.
Isn’t it so great that COB decides everything?
“There is no expedient to which a man will not go to avoid the labor of thinking.”
Joshua Reynolds
True Data Detlef.
When I was in Qual we had a copy of everything including booklets written by Reg Sharp and a Description of Scientology by Hal Puthoff the original DMSMH with the intro by Winter and a copy of SS I think the original title was Faster Dianetic Techniques for Alexis and other forbidden texts plus “Role of Earth” which was very popular.
I think the purge began in ’91 when RTC supposedly “corrected” the Technology once and for all or whatever.
RTC, Return to chaos.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up MJ.
Sad but true.
Ruin the crops.
Does this mean that I have to turn in my 1st edition Dianetics with the forward by that nasty ol’ Dr. Winter or my 1st edition Science of Survival with the dedication to Alexis (Alexis who?)? Those must be non-KSW too.
Most certainly. You could be punished for even KNOWING those things once existed, let alone possessing them.
Fuck ’em. Keep them all.
You could be punished for even thinking about them
What do you mean your needles floating, that ‘s not allowed. Lou enterbulate that man!
Like I say, Mike, “1984.” Soon, everything will be on computers so that they can delete what they want from the main frame server. Similar to the feature on the meter that they can’t use it if they haven’t sent it back in for ‘approval’.
Mind warping insanity.
BTW I met Alexis once.
Totally by accident.
Didn’t know she was Ron’s daughter because she had a different last name.
Connolly I think it was.
Anyway I didn’t know she was Ron’s daughter till years later when I surfed the ‘net and put 2+2 together and came up with 4 which I think not allowed any more in the official Church these days.
Now of course the only answer is 5.
BTW she’s also mentioned in RJ 68.
Try asking for a copy of that RJ at your local Scientology bookstore 😉
Anyone know what happened to Hymn of Asia?
MJ
You’re kidding, right?
They got rid of Hymn of Asia?
I guess the basic books and the tech vols are next.
I can see it now: “Come to our ideal org book burning/BBQ fundraiser! We’ll burn ‘squirrel’ LRH books and grill brats. Fun for all!”
And after the meal we can burn the witches, er, I mean squirrels, heh, heh, heh.
Mike,
As far as I’m concerned Goodwin’s “Law” is just an opinion probably forwarded by some fascist lovin’ Nazi 😉
I remember I was posting on some usenet ng about how much like the Nazis the FDA acted in regard to their persecution of Wilhelm Reich by burning his books when someone posted a “rebuttal” citing Goodwin’s “Law”.
In my *opinion* its just another way to shut down debate.
I’m surprised that OSA hasn’t considered using it since the Church of Scientology in my *opinion* has become a microcosm of Nazi Germany.
Especially with their continual book burnings.
Reading this email proves the point and that is that I”Help” is nothing but the new Brown Shirted SD in the new Church.
Anyway moving on.
The above also indicates to me at least that Miscavige is either working for, with or parallel to “Smersh” as Ron called them though SPECTRE could apply as well.
Both criminal conspiracies. One fictional the other not. Both mentioned in Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels which were a favorite of Ron’s.
(See we don’t even have to violate Goodwin’s so called “law” to describe the Church these days except maybe the book burning thing which I guess could be assigned to other fanatics including the FDA as covered in the following link:
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Book_burning.html )
What is ironic though is that the Church of “Scientology” is the most enthusiastic book burners of Ron’s actual Technology.
I mean move over FDA!
However what gives me reassurance is that many of us still have the original books and texts and these have also been posted on the internet as well.
As Ron says in HCO BULLETIN OF 29 JULY 1963 SCIENTOLOGY REVIEW:
“Our data is too widely disseminated to be re- collected and burned.”
In other words whether the Church is doing this action on its own or as part of some dark conspiracy. It doesn’t matter because like almost anything the Church does these days will be an epic fail.
My invitation to Miscavige for a one on one knockdown fight is still on. He reminds me of Leon Brown (although smaller) in one of LRH’s ethics policy letters.
MJ,
From what I’ve seen of the Int Base there were plenty of nine foot fences to jump down from…..
That is once you got around the razor wire facing inward.
Rather crash into his bedroom and surprise him. But thanks for the tip. 😉
Probably a better idea would be to leave him with Mike or Marty without his security detail 😉
Nah, I want first dibs.
🙂
I think they would have been better off lying and saying that they need you to donate your old meters and books so that starving children in Africa can get auditing.
At least if they took that approach, people might be able to console themselves that their books were going to “the greater good”. However, that approach were taken, the “church” would see a corresponding drop in new booksales for donation purposes. That’d never happen.
The way it’s worked in Europe is, if they don’t comply, Snr C/S EU will order them to cramming or suspend their okays to audit for some hokey reason. Then, when they arrive to AOSHEU, they’ll be sent to Ethics and put onto EXTENSIVE sec checking. Meanwhile their pcs go unaudited and the bills pile up – until they break.
Of course by now anyone who is still auditing in the field knows he best crawl and comply.
There is no HELP in IHELP, just as there is no Scientology in the church.
Phil, what you posted, to me at least, is extremely scary! This mind set reminds of the book, Fahrenheit 451. The dwarf is setting himself up to be the undisputed King of scio. It seems he’s now souce and LRH is junior to him.
Dream on Dave.
Communism is alive and well.
achtung woggen,das reich kommt wieder. Attention wogs, the state is coming for you. .When will the home searching begin? And then the storage areas?
‘Tobias Kindlimann’.
There is something so Dickensian about that name…his bullying and threatening tone is not the hallmark of a ‘kindly man’.
Is he aware of the cognitive dissonance between his name and his behavior?
I have very valuable SCN books and early e meters.
Turn it in to be burned ? I think not. I know of 11 first edition Dianetic’s books personally signed by L. Ron Hubbard, an early MK 5 that has a rubber band sheet metal pop riveted TA counter ( very rare). AS for quantum meters still in the box ( mint condition), they get more valuable as the field turns Quantum’s to be destroyed.
Book burning’s happened during the Cultural Revolution under Mao.
People were summarily shot by firing squad in front of family for hiding books.
Dictionaries and photos of loved ones, musical instrument’s were stashed in secret wall panels, floors and attics. If caught you died, often in a labor camp.
Sorry Dave, won’t be your slave, as you march to your own grave.
I’ve still got 2 Mark IV emeters. I did a lot of good auditing on one.
“Achtung”, “Achtung” IAS calling, IAS calling.
I think its great they have to hand in all the products they bought recently for nothing.
This will teach them a lesson. The lesson being that the only thing a doormat collects is more dirt!
This is not a new thing.
The festering pig dwarf was doing this in 1983.
I remember a staff member from London Org telling me that there was an event at St Hill for memberships.
What happened was hilarious all the people who had “lifetime” memberships (some only weeks before this event) were told they were now cancelled and they must purchase new ones.
This staff member told me that on the way back to London one of the Foundation top Auditors legged it out of the car to go and vomit in the road he was so enturbulated.
The Auditor is still in this cult and after 34 years has got no further than audited NOTS.
So you see this theft by the dwarf pig will make little difference to the clubbed seals.
The other think that makes me laugh is this drivel about the MK VIII GAG II meter being standard LRH. It was built many years after his passing and he never designed it.
But hey, take a quantum meter, put it in new plastic case, add a capacitor or resistor or two so as to slow the read down or tweak sensitivity and you have a MK VIII.
I love this blog, it never fails to make me wheeze with laughter so much. I mean just reading the Flag directives is better than a comedy show.
Mike I don’t think they live in a bubble unless its made of lead.
Some new Sec-Check questions coming?
1.Are you hiding or still in possession of any original LRH materials?
2.Are you hiding or still in possession of a Mark VII Quantum Meter?
3.Are you holding on to the idea that LRH is source for Scientology?
Full end ruds. Take up and explore every tick with a vengeance. ML, RTC Intergalactic Inspection Officer for this sector by order of His Majestic Mandatorius Miscavigeness.
This should be funny. Unfortunately it is inevitably going to happen.
And it will only cost you $8000 for an intensive and $250 per night at the Sandcastle. But of course, you pulled it in!
Mike, I would guess that after Hitler and the Nazis, George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four is probably the 2nd most obvious comparison with the Miscavige regime that leaps to mind.
To be specific, what we’re looking at here is the “memory hole” in action. The memory hole, you’ll recall, is a place where you drop any inconvenient documents that might prove that the latest approved version of reality is, in fact, a lie.
As Wikipedia explains, “Big Brother’s Ministry of Truth systematically re-created all potential historical documents, —in effect; re-writing all of history to match the often-changing state propaganda. These changes were complete and undetectable.”
In the novel, the hole was literally a chute leading down to a large incinerator. (No need to pack up offending materials and deliver them to the BSO!) But in popular use, it’s come to mean something larger, like a hole in our collective memory.
Joe Pendleton’s story of auditors with their secret collections of old, forbidden texts reads like something straight out of Orwell, too.
At the risk of straying into Marty’s philosophical turf, I think of Claude
Levi-Strauss at times like this: “Human beings do not think in myths. Myths think themselves out through us, without our knowledge.”
“Those who control the past control the future.”
Straight out of the Ministry of “Truthiness”.
I’m (almost) speechless! The dwarf is writing LRH out of scio history and positioning himself as source. I wonder if he’s using the book, 1984, as his guide. Sig Heil, dwarfenfuror!
AKA The mouse that roared. Somebody just needs to beat up on the dude.
I want to add to “Godwin’s law”: “…without knowing what happened in Germany while NAZIS had been in power.”
Any day, maybe not Xmas, at least 1 TV german speaking station is airing something related to NAZI Germany. Day in and day out, every day at least one. I think you can imaging how sick we germans are seeing every day a comparison of something with that time or at least reading it on the TV guide of that day.
Sorry Schorsh,
I can understand how sick you would be of the comparison.
It is getting kinda old isn’t it?
Especially since there are so many other Totalitarian regimes on the track that we can compare the Church to like for example Spain and Portugal during the Inquisition.
@ Schorsh
I so understand you!!! I am myself fed up with these programs and references especially when you think of what is happening daily in countries were children are being tortured and killed in large amounts like Palestine for example. I think it would be good idea to live in Present Time
Well I guess it’s all but official now, David Miscavige is stark starring, carpet chewing, foot stomping, mouth foaming mad. How else can this be explained-He has just completely lost it.
He might as well just come right out and say he owns all parishioners possessions. He owns their books and meters and the cash in their wallets which is to be used for purchases he approves and demands.
The Anti-Social Personality
12. The antisocial personality has a bad sense of property and conceives that the idea that anyone owns anything is a pretense, made up to fool people. Nothing is ever really owned.
Yes indeed, Davey is a real piece of work.
I think the copper rod did him in! His craziness must have been form exposure to copper! LOL!
That antisocial trait is so perfect for the rcs. You don’t own your own time, your own thoughts, your own point of view, your own priorities, your own skills, your own knowledge, your own accomplishments, your own view of your own mind, your physical movement, your privacy, etc, etc, etc,etc. We tend to think of money and 2d invasion, but the complete lack of respect for the autonomy, of each and every one of our lives, is a suppressive act.
Exactly, Hallie Jane. I heard a story, a few years ago, of this public who was helping a lot with different social betterment groups. This person had acquired all sorts of high end comm lines as a result of their regular work and the social betterment volunteering.
This person got a call from OSA one day and they said, “Give us your list of all of your comm lines.” He/she said, “What? I don’t think so.” OSA’s response was that his/her comm lines were OSA’s comm lines so hand ’em over. Not that OSA helped GET them, only that because they were ‘possessed’ by a Scientologist, they then belonged to OSA.
OMG, like a large, blanketing parasite, sucking the life (and the lives of your connections) out of you. Pathetic.
They didn’t get them.
Is that target addressed to the Bookstore Officers at orgs or addressed to the general public or both?
It would make a difference.
Field auditors. This is from IHELP.
Thanks. And double Wow!
In the end, it’s such a pointless effort at suppressing the old materials. Most if them have been scanned and are available on the fringes of the internet.
Public having to turn in books AND meters will be the last straw for many. While the public does drink Koolaid, they are not Martians. In the Sea org, Koolaid is supplied daily and intravenously so they will push forward with Command Intention, but more and more public will just shake their heads and say he this is nuts. Miscavige is living inside a bubble that is inside a bubble that is inside a bubble.
Robert,
Your concentric bubble theory is basically how I viewed the Church of Scientology just before I escaped.
Many of the public (not all) existed in a bubble imposed by the Scienositter(TM) software imposed on those who became “Scientologists On-Line” then there was the general Staff who were too distracted by all the insane off policy orders from that so called “clean team” at the top they mistakenly placed their trust in.
(Me I concluded that they were holding the Ol’man at gun point or extorting him in some way when he uttered that on RJ 38.
Having had first hand experience with the so called “clean team” which were in my opinion making the GO look like candidates for sainthood which in comparison was sorta like the way I felt when GW took over from Bill Clinton 😉
But anyway….)
The Sea Org members I worked with who were at “whole new level” of bubbledom compared to us Non- SO staff
Then there was those occupants of what I called the “Magic Kingdom” who to me looked like they were in a total bubble of cognitive dissonance as far as I was concerned.
Of course I wrongly concluded that it was because they didn’t get out that much from that super secret base of theirs in Hemet 🙂
Mark VIs and Mark VIIs are sold on eBay — won’t recapture your 3K investment but at least you’ll get some money to go to a nice restaurant have some drinks and celebrate the joy of being out of prison.
I tried selling my brand new E-Meter on E-Bay about a year ago. I did not get one bid.
I finally smashed it with a sledge hammer and threw it in the City Dump along with 660 lbs of everything LRH!
It was by far the best money I ever spent on Scientology. Yes, I paid to have it placed in the landfill. I did not want anyone to get it and get curious and end up in an Org as a slave or bankrupted. It was the right thing to do!
Just get the stuff out of your environment and you will feel better. Throw it out!
Good move! I tried to sell my LRH books on Amazon four years ago. Every book that I listed had between 200-500 for sale. They were selling for A PENNY! I like you decided that even if I did sell them, the book might get the buyer involved in Scientology so I had them shredded at a recycler.
I think Scientology went on a rampage on eBay or it’s a slow day. I just checked there and there is not a single emeter listed, only 4 Scn items total listed. Odd
The Scientology E-Bay Police contacted me after I posted it on the site – (someone wrote up a KR that I offered the stuff for sale).
The MAA called me and told me I could not sell my E-meter. The MAA said I had signed a contract stating that I had to offer it to the Org first and then I could only sell it for the same price as a new one if the Org did not buy it.
I told the MAA I never remember signing that and besides, it was void because they did not give me a copy of the contract. I own it and they could not tell me what I can do with it.
I asked how much they would give me for it and he replied: “That would depend on GI for the week”.
I said; “too late – it is already sold”.
They asked – “who did you sell it to?”
I replied – ” I don’t know but it was some guy in Texas…named Marty Rathburn or Rathbun. He was practicing Scientology so it was kewl.”
I did not sell it to Marty – I smashed it and threw it out. But I wanted to make sure I would never go back in to Scientology again. That sealed my fate! 🙂 I don’t think Marty minded that I used his name. The MAA did not know who he was but the DSA/OSA bot sure did !! LOL
Phew! Everything that has been exposed here and on other blogs over the last few weeks seems to indicate that DM’s madness is escalating at an ever faster rate. I can just see him holed up somewhere screaming these orders at his ever diminishing group of juniors.
“Get the old materials out of existence! Get the OTs to bring in their fucking disaffected “friends”! Have mandatory briefings for all OTs! Investigate those that don’t pitch!” etc ad nauseum…
And as his madness escalates, so will his paranoia. Time to abandon ship folks … as Tory says … tick tock Davy…
I think an ambulance should be permanently parked outside the gates of the Int.Base at Hemet. Leave the engine running because at some point a call is going to come from inside and shortly thereafter David Miscavige will be taken off the base strapped to a gurney in some kind of a horrible state.
@KFrancis: Hopefully not. Better they should give him the Lisa McPherson treatment.
Allies fighting to preserve German bridges, Germans fighting to blow them up.
Books and E-meters at C of S prices are not insignificant purchases. Demanding the return of goods without fair compensation is criminal. Just saying. Miscavige is sitting on BILLIONS and he could compensate EVERY Scientologist for EVERY Mark 7 he wants back, at full price. So IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY.
Yes and in the stock market world, if you have insider trading information and know a company is planning a bankruptcy for example, you can dump your stock before anyone else knows that info and can make tons of money by selling when it is still high. That is what sweet little Martha Stewart went to jail for, insider trading. DM was selling those Mark VII meters at discounted prices knowing full well in a month the new meters would be coming out and that they would require ALL to buy a new meter. You’re right that he should buy the old ones off them.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY
Wasn’t the Quantum marketed as the “Last meter you will ever have to buy “? I wish there was something I could do with it to make it useful ! Hopefully this will be the straw that broke the camels back. Anyone that buys into this shit doesn’t need Scientology, they need meds !
It’s gotten to the point that they’re just daring people to wake up and leave. Seriously it really strikes me as if they’re seeing how far they can push the remaining sheep – endless fundraising, burning books, OTs starting over at the bottom of the bridge…
The problem is that a lot of these I HELP auditors – like the promFSMs – have no other means of making money. All they know is Scn and how to sell it. So they lock their integrity away for this lifetime, follow orders, and fleece the public they have convinced to trust them!
In my humble opinion these are worse than the Koop aid drinkers – they do know, but go blind for the sake of a buck. Or they just don’t care and take the money and run.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/deceived.html
“We are never deceived; we deceive ourselves.” – Goethe
“Who had deceived thee so often as thyself?” – Franklin
Those who lack understanding, are the most easily deceived.
“We were deceived in Scientology” – from literally hundreds and thousands of people that were deceived by Scientology!
Those who lack understanding that we were deceived in Scientology – simply lack understanding on how they were deceived in Scientology due to the “over responsible filter they purchased in Scientology”.
IMO you are a hopeless and evil moron.
Stable datum from LRH to auditors…..When faced with the unusual,
do the usual. Destroying books and materials is not unusual? I guess
this is one way to get rid of the possibility of anyone talking about
“Background Data”.
What happens to the poor public who puts his/her meter on Ebay to sell?
At least he/she can recoup some of the money that they shelled out.
If they get into trouble with ethics they can point out that the Church dumped/sold their soon to be outdated meters on unsuspecting public instead of just destroying their meters.
But on the other hand isn’t this some type of fraud being committed here? Selling a product knowing that it will be obsolete and no longer allowed to be used in the COS.
Looks like GAT II is more of a program to see how much the still in crowd KSW (SICk) can be pushed and bullied.
I guess in GAT III the SICk will be doing suicide drills as per Captain Davey’s goal to reach Target 2.
I like the comparison to the Nazi book burning, but the below description seems to really fit the current scene. Everything stated below exists for the SICk except for the suicide drills… so far.
From http://www.history.com/topics/jonestown:
Temple members worked long days in the fields and were subjected to harsh punishments if they questioned Jones’ authority. Their passports and medications were confiscated and they were plagued by mosquitoes and tropical diseases. Armed guards patrolled the jungle compound. Members were encouraged to inform on one another and were forced to attend lengthy, late-night meetings. Their letters and phone calls were censored. Jones, who by then was in declining mental health and addicted to drugs, had his own throne in the compound’s main pavilion and compared himself to Vladimir Lenin and Jesus Christ. He was convinced that the government, the media and others were out to destroy him. He also required Peoples Temple members to participate in mock suicide drills in the middle of the night.
Mephistopheles is not your name, but I know what you’re up to just the same. (compliments of Sting – sure he wouldn’t mind).
Heavy traffic on eBay for meters. Just sold 4 in a week.
Interesting. Were they Quantums? How much did they sell for?
3 Quantums and a Mark V for $540 plus shipping total. I could have held out for more but was happy to sell all at once.
Thanks for the info.
It’s funny how book burning comparisons end up focusing on the Nazis when it seems to be such a broadly popular activity, even to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents
German author Erich Kästner attended burnings of his own books in person when the Nazis decided his books were “contrary to the German spirit”. I wonder, would LRH have attended burnings/shreddings of his own books as RCS found them to be “contrary to pure source”? Particularly as they were books he worked with much of his life after authoring them?
The little cob has the bots right where he wants them all hunkered down and afraid.
Break free of your chains bots!! And to all you whales out there that are so rich none of this madness bothers you, you are the truly weak.
Recommended viewing for all bots: The Great Dictator
http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt0032553/
the sad part is these cool-aid drinkers will do it!!!!! nuts, crazy and insane to even consider following this order!!
This is how they ensure that they get rid of anything that contradicts or is “off message” including the old policies and tech issues that directly contradict what Miscavige is doing.
It’s How to be a Ruthless Dictator 101. Just look at your history books. The Nazi’s didn’t start it so we don’t have to go there, despite the numerous and wonderful analogies that just throw themselves at you comparing OSA with the Gestapo and Miscavige with Hitler. The practice of re-writing history goes back much further than them.
Right on Chris. Seems to me that Miscavige only wants mindless uneducated sheeple in his cult. Those who can think for themselves are welcome to their SP declares and deal with broken family’s and friends. So much destruction, you’d almost have to conclude the guy in charge was a sociopath or something huh?
“History is written by the winners/victors” has been attributed to both Winston Churchill and Adolph Hitler. However, it’s probably a derivative of something written much further back in time. And it certainly fits what happens in today’s world when politicians continually attempt to hide actual activities and horrors they’ve brought into existence.
In any case, the current scio’s regime is doing its best to also rewrite history, including the actual tech of LRH (and the many unsung people whom LRH never acknowledged). The true difficulty of it is that so many copies of his original works are completely outside the control of DM that the effort cannot succeed. The best he can do is alter history with those still in, a group getting smaller by the day.
But what will he do with it all? Destroy it? If so, would that not negate any effort they made to go after someone for violating copyrights? Would make an interesting counter to any such suit they filed. “Oh, yes, we still own the copyrights on books and papers we have publicly declared as unusable and not true information pertaining to our church.”
You’re right of course Chris. The ancient Egyptians and Romans both had the practice of going around and chiseling off peoples faces and beheading statues of “now out of favor” rulers and officials. This latest effort of Miscavige’s is just a reincarnation of that.
DM’s favorite quote: “If you ain’t a whale, you can go to hell.” (Found in his unpublished memoirs).
Filmed book burning video at the MV?
A true SP trying to hide the evidence of the alterations he has made to LRH so the sheeple study his version of. “Source”
Never mind the thousands they forked out for materials that the were “forced” to purchase.
Maybe more like the Cromwellian Reformation after the books comes SPs burnt at the stake. I would live to hear how Serman writes that for him.
Are you confusing Cromwell with Queen Mary? Cromwell had next to nothing to do with the witch-hunting mania of the 1640s, and most of the executed witches were hanged. Continental Catholics did burn witches though.
See Witchfinder General
I wonder, if things stretch on long enough, whether Miscavige will decide to redo all the books and lectures again, of course with suitable lies about how they were (once again and like always) messed up by SPs. If he had enough time (like another 10 years) he probably would, but I don’t think he has enough time left.
We’ll never know. This is Davey’s last stretch.
I’m not so sure. The people who remain are willingly ignorant and quite stupid. They would probably buy anything.
hgc10, I hope you are 100% right!
That mandatory meeting for LA area OTs was all I needed to see. The customer base is like that last puddle in the driveway from this morning’s rain shower – it’s an 1/16 inch deep, evaporating in the sun, and you can practically see the edges receding into nothingness. The parishioner pool will be gone before the money gives out. It’s an odd situation.
After all that’s occurred, who would actually go along with this crap? God help us all.
I’ve told this story before, but for those of you who haven’t heard it ….
When I was on the SHSBC in 2004, there were two veteran Sea Org members who were each HIDING a personal stash of older editions of LRH books that they successfully had not turned in when required to (I was asked as a public to turn mine in which I refused to do). While on course, I was quite the “researcher” on any point that didn’t seem quite kosher to me in print, which is why each of these SO members told me about their collection and let me look through various older materials. One of these SO members is now deceased, so I can reveal her name. It was Evelyn Bowers, who was the ASHO Qual librarian at the time. Evelyn was then in her 80s and had been a fine HGC auditor for many years (she audited me in the HGC in the late 1989). She kept her stash hidden in the back of a very low cabinet in the library. The other SO member who also allowed me to use a private collection I won’t name. I’ll just say that this person has been SO for well over 30 years and is very well known in LA. Both people asked me to keep the fact of the their collections a secret. Can you believe this? In the Sea Organization of The Church of Scientology, veteran staff have to hide books written by L. Ron Hubbard. Having the correct technology indeed!
Wow!
So KSW point #1 is now a crime in the “church” of scientology.
What a shit-show. This is why my husband and I call it “Opposite Land” !
Sorry to hear that Evelyn passed away. When I was the DCO at ASHO she was one of the truly fine people who made the day to day insanity a bit more bearable. Imagine, a rebel in scientology is someone who refuses to burn books, refuses to be unfriendly and has the audacity to think for himself or herself.
I loved Evelyn too. She was a great auditor and used ARC and common sense and decency on all. And once I had to laugh when I was at HGC muster while on my internship and the little dictator who was the in charge there, Ron I think was his name, was throwing his weight around and being unbearable, I actually saw Evelyn sigh and roll her eyes. It made me laugh on the inside and made it more bearable for me (and for her too!) Evelyn, if you’re “up there / down there” and can see this: DON’T COME BACK TO SCN! It’s an implant station now. Key out, regroup and have a nice wonderful life.
Evelyn one-on-one coached me on delivering an Introspection Rundown. She was an “old-timer” who had the experience and viewpoint to make good auditors. Too bad Miscavige made her unnecessary.
I remember her. Good lady.
These are the types of targets you get by individuals who are completely divorced from real world economics. Presumably this comm is going out to field auditors and groups, since it originates from I HELP. Who do they think PAID for these materials? With REAL money? Can any one of these Sea Org members afford to purchase any of these materials they expect to be forfeited?
How about this…”Dear Tobias, I am sorry, but you do not OWN these materials, hence do not have the right to control them. That said, they are for sale at a fair price should you wish to purchase them.”
This is how things work in the REAL world, you know, the one you’re trying to salvage.
I think this is a GREAT thing they are doing. Great job, CoS. KSW!
Brilliant idea, Mr. Miscavige!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just when I thought that David Miscavige couldn’t surprise me any more.
By now, how can anyone IN not say, “I’m outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Wow.
I have fun once in a while trying to put myself in the “still in” position and mock up justifications for my idiocy.
Perhaps it’s an exercise that might even as-is some of it.
-The old books were all overt products and nobody info’d Ron. David is the only one who figured it out. HE saved us.
-What old books? There were old books?
-L Ron who?
-L Ron Hubbard dropped his body and is not the thetan running David Miscavige’s body
-Ron’s gone to target two and he blessed us David’s leadership. His word is God’s word.
-I have CI on this, I must have overts, I will report for another sec check to rid myself of these evil demons.
There is no greater evidence of Hubbard’s incompetence than the man running Scientology today.
@FOTF
As you know LRH didn’t elect the Little Man as his successor or else. COB self elected himself after the death of the old man
Little guy’s got some balls. Could they be the two hemispheres of his brain?
@ MJ.
:0D what would we do without your humorous comments?
You’d die from lack of oxygen due to unreleased and pent up emotional asphyxiation. 😉
Ah ah ah ah ah !!!!
CIPOT – Counter intended perverter of Tech.
From accounts that I have read, Little little Man elbowed, fought, invalidated, blackmailed and suppressed his way into that position.
I found one person’s account interesting. He said that after teenaged DM came out of the hospital for some asthma treatment, he said, “I had a cognition while I was in there. Power isn’t given to you, you have to take it.” or something like this.
Makes me wonder if he wasn’t implanted while he was in there. It’s not impossible and it has happened often in the post MK Ultra world. Man, what I wouldn’t give to see his reads on a meter when asked, “Are you a plant?”… and I don’t mean a rose.
Does anyone still in Scientology have any analytical mind left?
Weren’t they sold 100% pure LRH in the past?
Does any of the Clear’s and OT’s out there have the ability to think clearly? At what point does Scientology work?
I can’t wait until you get leaked e-mails from the staff demanding that the clubbed seals turn in their “books and meters”!
How many will leave now? The “fringers” are hanging on to their stuff because it was their hope. They know something is wrong with Scientology and they stay away – but they think it is “management”.
Now the Fuhrer, Captain Miscavige, is demanding for complete compliance.
Will this be the straw that breaks the camel’s back to start a revolution within Scientology – the cult? Or…will it be Scientology’s tax returns leaked by J. Swift on Tony Ortega’s blog last night finally giving the clubbed seals some transparency on just how much this Organization has amassed while members go broke, file bankruptcy and lose homes to foreclosure?
What will cause the revolution in the cult?
It is getting hard to watch these days. The mind control tactics are straight up and vertical – the manipulation and deceit – unbelievable!
“It is getting hard to watch these days. The mind control tactics are straight up and vertical – the manipulation and deceit – unbelievable!” IdleMorgue, I also feel this way. It’s hard not to compare it to Nazi and Hitler because it is that evil. Dm has just ratcheted up the complete totalitarian evil to unbelievable levels. This may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and gets a mass exodus. Or it could be the income tax returns leaked, or or or. There is so much to choose from. The point is it is going down. The sooner the better. The real tech is in the Indie field anyway. I want to get my family back when it all sinks like the Titanic.
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So, meters that LRH used are not “LRH”, and materials LRH wrote and that existed during his lifetime are not LRH.
If this is confusing and you are having a hard time determining what to bring in to be destroyed just remember if its LRH its not LRH, OK? Its not that difficult people.
Okay, that’s clear. BTW free kool-aid will be served at our next mandatory briefing. Be there!!!!!!!!
Two flavors of KoolAid will be served, dear friends, cherry and almond!
For those who have brought in ALL their old, unused books and meters, please enjoy the cherry flavored KoolAid to za right.
Everyone else please enjoy the most wonderful almond flavored KoolAid to za left.
I would like to know if any of the LA UTR’s could to us the favor of going into an Org and asking around about the meter and materials, act interested in getting a new meter and just find out if the same word has gone out in America about turn in your old meters and books for destroying. Could you do that pretty please? Let us know.
I can only images how these orders play in the mind of your kool-aid guzzling IHELP auditors. I would guess most of them are living on the edge financially already as auditing others is obviously a get-rich-qwik proposition.
2 VIII meters at 5K, 2500 for Student Hat, not to mention TRs, Metering, Levels etc. Not to mention the time needed to accomplish. Not to mention that these auditors have trained and re-trained and if they are still auditing, they are probably having great results on their PCs.
And, the “requests” always come in the form of orders that must be complied to, attested to, swear u did it with your left hand on a large stack of the latest Dianetics books.
When will any of them have the balls to stand up and say HELL NO.
Understandable why this could be compared to the Nazis.
COB becomes DTC (Dave The Corrupter)
COB becomes HE who SCOHB.
Perfect picture, Mike.
When I was working at Mace Kingsley, a similar thing happened regarding the Basics. Flag set up a giant book shredder. Then they put out word that all Scientologists were to bring in their “old and no longer used” versions of the basics for shredding.
Prior to this, some Scientologists who’d decided to get rid of their earlier versions were giving them to used bookstores or libraries, etc. This was nixed though because those earlier versions were ‘squirrel’ and it was a bad thing to send all those squirrel editions out in the world where someone might get hurt by them.
Mace Kingsley focuses on working with children and their families, so books like ‘Child Dianetics’ and ‘The Second Dynamic’ are mainstays for the field group. However, a few of the auditors in the giddy excitement of boxing up all their old books to take down to the Flag shredder, also included those two books, which hadn’t been newly published. I staged several book interventions at the time and ended up with several dozen copies of older editions.
During this whole evolutions, I even heard Scientologists make comments about making bonfires for all these books, and wouldn’t that be fun!
Note: I wonder if Godwin’s Law has a corollary that somehow explains the large number of programs related to WWII and Hitler on the History Channel. 🙂
This is one of my outstanding, unanswered questions about the Basics: “How is it that LRH used these books (actually older editions) on course checksheets for DECADES and did not have any problem training auditors?” If you follow the church’s logic on this LRH is the biggest squirrel – EVER.
To date, no one from the church has even attempted to answer this question.
I did ask that question and the answer I got was that LRH didn’t know the books had errors in them as he was too busy continuing research and doing other things…and maybe he did not have trouble then, but where did all those auditors go? Where are they now? They obviously left because of the MUs from the incorrect books.
It is amazing the answers one will invent to explain away and answer the outpoints that they just can’t seem to believe could be true.
Unanswerable of course. I guess still ins consider LRH Moses and COB Jesus.
StatPush,
Like Bela, I have heard this line about LRH not knowing about the errors in books.
I’ve also heard that he was so prolific in his writings and lectures, it’s taken RTRC all this time to catch up to all the various LRH tech ever written/recorded.
And of course, they’ve been using the “look at the never-before-known LRH materials which just found in this house in ZimbabweLand he lived in for 6 months back in 19XX which means all the books had to be revised!!
One telling thing imho is that given how the church takes every opportunity to create new things to sell to the public, why are there no LRH bio books with pictures of all these lately found scraps of notes and newly discovered manuscripts clearly displayed in LRH’s hand with long-winded Shermanspeak quotes and pictures of all the mountains climbed, natives cleared, wild boars ridden, etc, etc, etc?
Thanks guys. I too have been given the “LRH was too busy” explanation. Doesn’t hold water. He wrote and designed checksheets which specifically used sections of his books – in their current form. If they were inadequate or deficient in any way this would have been brought to his attention during the pilot phase of the course. Presumably this did not happen, so we have to assume that whatever the state of the basic books at that time (under the tutelage of LRH), was adequate to get the job done. That is good enough for me.
To counter this position, I have heard others say that the “good ol’ days” were not that good. That auditors didn’t know what the hell they were doing, and subsequently squirrelled the tech and eventually ceased auditing. Fair enough. Of course, no proof or evidence of this claim is ever presented, but let’s take it at face value.
In 1973-4 the world of Scn probably reached it’s apex. Many, many orgs were big and packed with students all training to become auditors. Co-auditing was the thing to do. Many went Clear, many joined staff, many joined the Sea Org, many went on to do Class VI and Class VIII. In other words, the tech that was in use during this time period supported the expansion of Scn for nearly a generation.
The radical fundamentalist will tell you that it was not perfect; that auditors squirrelled processes; that it was not 100% standard. My response to that is – so what? I mean who really cares? If it brought about that much auditing and that much training, who really gives a f*ck if they did EM25 wrong?
But to ask this type of question is to have perspective and judgement, something which has been banished in today’s “church”. Instead, it is the never ending treadmill of training in the never ending pursuit of “perfection” all resulting in – NO AUDITING.
Your comments are spot on statpush.
I’m right there with you, statpush. “Absolutes are unobtainable.” All this constant push for perfection keeps any auditing from actually occurring.
Right Statpush. The third party of earlier auditors is disgusting. I can only state as an HGC Auditor for most of my 10 years on staff (74-84), the biggest impediment to auditing occurring in volume was stat pushing. I could go into session and lock the door, but the pressure on the academy students and interns was in complete violation of the Axiom “Optimum randomity is necessary to learning”. I spent a lot of time unbogging people with regular study tech actions and correction lists, but the real issue was that, the usual was just not done in the first place. I was quite a street punk, before I got into Scn, so I had no problem getting in the execs faces, but frankly, I resented having to constantly yell at them, for willful violation of tech or having to refuse copious stupid orders, or for driving my poor interns to tears. (I was the lead auditor) In today’s terms, it was a hostile work environment. The auditor’s most important sub product is their own mind, his/her own full conceptual understanding of the tech, and they need to be left in peace, to learn without all the ridiculous and unnecessary pressure. I saw a lot of people bog on internships, take a loss and have to go off onto auditing to handle, or disappear, just because they were so rushed through their training, in the first place. At one point, there were 3 HGC auditors, one was an ex biker, one an ex addict and a street punk from Detroit (moi). We were the only ones who made it. Normal, sweet, kind, non aggressive people should be able to make it too.
“Membership Activation Off”
Unintentional truth?
Wow. Next gradient will be compliance missions, “door-to-door” visits to “help” you get with the programme. They won’t be bringing cookies, though.
There is a saying, the night is always darkest before the dawn. In RCS, it just seems to keep getting darker, no end in sight.
If this isn’t a joke, it’s the scariest shit I’ve seen since Jim Jones.
Agreed.
It is not a joke.
So, is there a potential Jonestown scenario in the church? Not trying to be alarmist or whatever, just genuinely wondering if that might be a worry.
In the immortal words of Alfred E. Newman – ‘What, me worry?’
I’ve worried about that possible scenario literally since Jonestown happened.
I don’t think there will be a mass suicide kind of ending, more like a desperate clawing for life the world has never experienced or fathomed before.
So true, Les (LDW). This literally makes my stomach hurt. Will report for standard session OUTSIDE the org to handle this charge. Gross.
Can’t trade in your old meter for a new one and get a discount like at a car dealership, huh? The Scientology I joined has been usurped by a twerp called Dave The Jerk.
This is a test as well as a grotesque and cynical sales plan of machines that we on the outside have been calling “the warehouse VIII”. That notice is more than a little intimidating for someone who actually lives by Scientology. Bring us the “evidence” that you have destroyed the now Squirrel tech and pubs you paid 10 prices for last year.. And take out a forth mortgage to buy the new super-duper pure LRH to assure KSW.
If not, we will have to assume that you are happy with squirrel tech and will follow up on that basis. You have no excuse: comply to KSW, or be subject to ethics and all that implies.
You filthy PTS squirrel.
Burn the cult, free the pilgrims!
Correction, The Whorehouse 8.
If there’s ever a time for someone in to reconsider who they support at protecting LRH’s work, this is the time to look at it.
Scientology can be preserved. It won’t be preserved by the book burners. But it can be preserved by people sharing the digital data in a torrent.
Nice!