This they put in the latest Source mag.
It is a condensation/edit of what is contained in the lecture, which is even more incoherent than this.
I have highlighted a few statements in here that stand out as particularly strange. In scientology, anything ever said by L. Ron Hubbard is gospel truth and the reliance upon it is a sign of the true fundamentalist. Fundamentalist christians literally read the bible and thus the world is 6000 years old (or some figure, I am not even sure where it comes from) and man occupied the earth concurrently with dinosaurs. L. Ron Hubbard makes similarly bizarre pronouncements, and to this day, they are still presented as “fact.”
There are literally thousands of lectures and tens of thousands of pages of writings yet they choose something like this — presumably because it is electrifying. It’s up there with the infamous “Van Allen belt” nuttiness.
What would be really interesting would be to get some scientology spokesperson to “explain” this in an interview. Pity they don’t have any spokespeople these days. Tommy Davis would have rocked with this one — probably thrown off his microphone and stormed out of the interview shouting “bigots!”
What is this “not-unlike-a-monkey form” — the Piltdown Man?
Would love to know how this is all squared with the OT III story – everyone was dumped on this planet 75 million years ago….
Protoplasm lines? Theta-I lines? Does anyone truly claim to understand what he is talking about? I defy anyone to do so.
Just a couple of questions that spring to mind: when did this supposedly happen in relation to Incident II 75 million years ago? If it was only 100,000 to 200,000 years ago you “joined” where was everyone for 74,900,000 years? And how does your skull folding up work? And isn’t this by necessity acknowledging your “brain/skull” controls things more than the “thetan”? Or hadn’t the thetan really been discovered yet? And I would love to hear about one of these “Before Time” incidents?
Honestly, nobody could make heads nor tails of this mumbo-jumbo. And especially not when compared to later mumbo-jumbo Hubbard writings. There are contrary statements all over the place. Yet, to this day, they present each as truth and never seem to notice that there are numerous versions so just based on this fact, they cannot all be true.
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Which lecture series is this taken from?
Milestone One Lectures, according to the blurb at the end. If you want to look it up and tell us what they cut out, that should be good for some serious lulz.
I know I got in in a different cultural era bla bla bla, but I cannot believe I either (a) bought into some of what LRH said simply because he said it and/or (b) thought some of it was horseshit from the start and still stayed in the group simply because it (a) helped me in the beginning and/or gave me my footing (friends, family, a bridge to do).
I think this is called “Patsy.”
Does ANYONE ever stop to ask the obvious question……which is ‘what the f#%?!?’
I’ve taken my share of Theology courses where we would go through writings, biblical or otherwise, we would dissect the materials until we understood what the writer was trying to say, or at least what modern scholars thought the writer was trying to say. We were free to agree or disagree with any part of it.
We also examined the historical context in which it was written.
But this is just nonsense …..LRH makes outrageous scientific claims with absolutely no proof and everyone just nods their heads in agreement?
Or maybe they are hoping everyone’s eyes just glaze over and they fall asleep and not ask questions…..
I don’t want to go past any MUs, so what the heck is a ‘jim-dandy whizzer’??
I traveled back to the 1950’s just now and asked around. Apparently it’s slang for a new gadget or contraption.
*writing in notepad* Appears mental
I admit, I loved these lectures and totally bought into the idea of there being evolutionary (time) lines for both bodies and spirits. It didn’t discount darwinism (in my head at least – I made it work) until I stumbled across the SHSBC lecture Errors In Time where, and I quote:
“Evolution: there’s no such thing. Bodies don’t evolve. They deteriorate, but they don’t evolve. You can trace all kinds of reasons how they evolve, and why they evolve, and you can figure it all out, but the truth of the matter is when you get horses on a planet, somebody came along and mocked up some horses! Now, they also mocked up these horses with the capability of growing hair or not growing hair. You’ve got adjustment factors, but not evolution factors.”
So the first homo sapien bodies appeared out of thin air purely because some thetan decided it. Or maybe someone “adjusted” homo erectus for shits and giggles.
Richard Dawkins (or indeed any articulate evolutionary biologist) would have a field day with this tripe.
“Evolution: there’s no such thing. Bodies don’t evolve.”
This statement and the concept Hubbard is asserting (that evolution does not occur) flies in the face of hundreds of years of work on breeding animals, hybridizing plants and other deliberate activities where people were altering the genetic makeup of living things (even if unknowingly before the discovering of DNA) in order to optimize the offspring for various purposes.
We now have the ability to modify the gene structure mechanically, inside and across species in many cases. In those instances where significant study has occurred, the results are easily predictable and replicable by others.
Hubbard was wholly ignorant in so many areas. It is those areas of ignorance where he makes his worst WTF statements,,,which in turn cause folks to start examining the entire basis for Scientology,
“Bodies don’t evolve” is a sort of correct statement.
Species evolve, not an individual body/person/animal/whatever.
Evolution occurs via an accumulation of genetic mutations over many generations of individuals; non-detrimental mutations that provide some survival benefit or make their offspring more likely to survive to adulthood and reproduce are more likely to be passed along to a new generation.
In an isolated population, over time the genetic differences become so great that they can no longer inter-breed with the original population and thus a new species is formed.
So, Hubbard is merely demonstrating his inadequate understanding of basic evolutionary principles, not that evolution itself is wrong.
Right. Even many non-Scientologists don’t understand that organisms evolving over time via common descent with modification is a fact (the theory of evolution is the current best explanation of the fact).
And gawd, the Darwin-monkeys red herring! I’ve read “On the Origin of Species.” It is a brilliant and comprehensive piece of reasoning and documentation. Nowhere does Darwin, or evolutionary theory, say that humans came from monkeys. That we did share a common ancestor with monkeys is evident from genetics and other lines of investigation. That we humans are great apes is true by definition. That we are related to other life forms is also evident — I suppose we are about 64,000th “cousins” to our feline pets, for example.
Incident I, separation from theta with attendant grief, in my opinion probably just taps into some deeply embedded pre-emotional aspect of mother-child separation in the earliest stages of human development. There are some similarities, however, in Hubbard’s claim to some other belief systems. For example, at least one mystical branch of Judaism holds that an event happened that shattered God and that we sparks of consciousness are the remnants of that catastrophe, and our awakening and reuniting is the precondition for God to emerge again.
Questions:
— How can theta, not having any location in space or time, no mass, no wavelength, etc. have a “line”? What the heck would that even mean?
— If we lived through the Wall of Fire incident, being dumped on Earth 75 million years ago, then how could we on average have gotten here only 100 to 200,000 years ago? Or is it only Body Thetans who went through the Wall of Fire incident?
— How could zapping pineal glands on an organism change the heritable traits that organism would pass on to its offspring? (It wouldn’t. It would damage only that organism and not its DNA.) Note that here Hubbard is building on mystic traditions that far predated his religion — beliefs that the pineal gland was the seat of the soul or consciousness, the “third eye,” and so on.
— OK, so there’s a genetic/protoplasm line, a parallel “Earth-theta” line, and a separate “theta-self” line that came from somewhere else. The protoplasm line perpetuates itself via reproduction. The Earth-theta line must somehow both tag along with the protoplasm line and guide it at the same time? And for some reason, the Earth-theta line does not include Earth-thetans, and the only thetan-I entities have to come from somewhere else (where?)? Wait, you have the genetic-entity too. Is that just the protoplasm-line? If so why is it called an entity? The whole thing is as complicated as trying to explain the three persons-in-one aspect of a trinitarian God, and as hard to understand as Costanza trying to figure out Cornish game hens reproductive habits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MCtC_U4e2o
We do not understand each other not because we are speaking so many different languages here on Earth, but because we believe in so many different things here on Earth. The problem is not necessarily that someone thinks Earth existed only for 6000 years or someone else thinks Hubbard was right, or whatever else. The problem is, that we cannot communicate with the others. As we know for sure, we know the truth. And the others are wrong. Sometimes this wrongness is self evident.
Recently I made a comment that we are not in present time as the electronics of the eye and brain need at least 100 milliseconds to transmit light information to brain area. Those 100 milliseconds are measured and can be proven. But one answer to that was “never heard of that”, translated: nuts.
We know almost nothing of the world around us. We cannot remember the past, we do not know what happened with us between life. We usually go asleep and are not fully aware of what happens then. We even cannot remember easily what we did last year at 13.06.2015. How we can claim that we know and the others are wrong?
We do not have to agree with everything. We still can think that we are right and the others are wrong. Or nuts. We need a stable ground to operate from. But we can evaluate the others if they want to destroy life or not. Or excessively want to control life. I cannot see that Hubbard wanted to destroy life. Maybe he was a control freak. Some say so.
By the way, on the research line it is better to leave those contradictions open. Modern science is different and thus seems more logical. Physics: explains those contradictions by imposing the “dark matter” theory. Everything that could not be explained logically can now be explained by the presence of “dark matter”. As that was not explaining everything they created now “white matter” too. Dark matter is called dark matter as that matter cannot be seen, measured or else sensed or experienced. Hence the word “dark”. They simply postulate something to be there, that must be there to explain something or some behavior with that. They explain a some-thing-ness by a nothingness that cannot be proven to be there at all. Is this better style to explain the real world? Is this more logical?
I know I’m staring into the abyss by answering this comment, but…
Dark matter is called dark because it doesn’t emit or reflect electromagnetic radiation. It is NOT undetectable or unmeasurable. If it were, then no one would be talking about it. Dark matter is detected and measured by gravitational effects.
“White matter” ain’t a thing in cosmology. You’re just making that up. It is, however, a type of brain tissue.
Since this information will take a 10th of a second to reach your brain, you may not be able to trust it. Use at your own risk.
good reply,thank you
Dark matter is a postulate that fits as the best current answer to observed anomalies. It can be proven right or wrong, and there are experiments going on to do so. If it’s proven wrong, then the experimental data will be reanalyzed, and a new postulate created. It’s called the Scientific Method. The aether was thought to be fact, and was the best theory at the time to explain observed anomalies. Then Michelson and Morley proved it wrong (and I did the same experiment in the same laboratory as they did and achieved the same results). Physics adjusted, and the adjustments formed the basis of relativity and quantum mechanics.
You want to start coming out with other theories in physics that make no sense to you? I’ll shoot them down too.
Not only are there contrary statements all over the place, but they’re justified, and two opposing outcomes are just as valid depending on how you feel you’d like to interpret it.. There are no dog P.C.s, but if one makes no case gain it’s because they’re s.p.’s. Of course blaming the auditor is just as valid, it depends what mood one is in. Is it bad auditing, or sp pc’s. Also, can you please tell me how you can have a “rhythmic sweep of the needle” while at the same time have an “Instant F/N?” And this one always get me, “We always deliver what we promise” Which is a very easy thing to do if you don’t promise anything. Standard tech is not promised. Clear is not promised. Abilities gained are not promised. Nothing is promised except how many hours you’ll get. And if the auditor screws up, well that’s too bad. Good auditing is not only not promised, but if it turns out it is really bad…..no lemon law here. There are so many examples of this kind of thing. Boggles the mind.
And that “mind boggling” seems (to me anyway) to speed up the “curing” of the cognitive dissonance “glue” that sets in after enough of these assertions …um…”datums” gum up the works. The church (with it’s authoritarian) instructional environment cannot silence dissent anymore or direct challenges to the efficacy of “the tech” thanks to the internet, which Scientology never saw coming.
This man is free associating and just letting his imagination control his mouth. This is how he wrote a penny a word. He did this for years, day in and day out, just improvising with imagination.
This is the same creative process he used to write this stuff. And it only “seems” to make sense in a hypnotic state.
We all thought, “wow, this guy knows stuff that nobody else knows.”
This is classic Altitude Instruction. He states it in that writing Altitude instruction.
And it’s a little more complicated than it should be. Just like he states in Altitude Instruction.
He wrote Sci Fi steam of conscious, called it a religion and we went under the spell.
This stuff is pure unquestionable gibberish for the de-hypnotized.
But under the hypnotic spell of Ron’s “altitude” it’s a genius relegation.
“Genius revelation”
Hi Brian, Such a true post and I see totally now how Ron’s Genius Religion turned to the gibberish you so aptly described.When I read Mike’s choice from 52 now,I had to laugh as what I took as carved in titanium plates to be absolute when I signed that contract.Those plates have long since been rendered as ineffective as I can make them for me.And Brian your posts are tremendous.XO
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“This is classic Altitude Instruction. He states it in that writing Altitude instruction.” Good take. A straight “you were hypnotized’ never made sense to me. The state you are in after being bludgeoned with enough of Hubbards ranting to the point of trying to make it fit in order to mitigate the duress of trying to track with Hubbards stream of improv is more to the point (for me). He just got us to buy in while indulging and steeping himself in it as well. We were all partners and co-dependent in a third dynamic delusion.
The only part that was missing….
“Dear Mary Sue ( or was it Sara Northrup or his other wife)….I am drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys….” LRH
Theta-I and Theta-E. Very impressive, “Dr.” Hubbard.
Boy i remeber trying to word clear this sort of crap. God i was gullible.
History of man was a word clearing nightmare.
So many mu’s! If you try to get help from the sup, you’re being “significant” . Now I understand! They don’t know this crap either! I’m so happy to have blown the cult!
I truly pity those who actually believe this all-over-the-place, crazy, utter madness drivel. There are no words for how absurd those writings are. It’s so obvious that LRH just made it up as he went along. Talk about cuckoo! I need a drink after reading all that mess.
Now I know where I never got great results from auditing. Those sorry SOB’s never audited me on heavy facsimile one. I’ll be contacting my attorney tomorrow to see about getting a refund.
LOL,
During Book 1 auditing, when I first got involved, I was looking for basic basic, that would unravel everything and I’d be “clear”. Little did I know that would become being really, really involved. LOL
Oh, there is the basics lectures called the “power of simplicity” LOL
27 years later I realized it ain’t so simple.
That was written by a person who is/was seriously deranged and probably smashed out of their head on booze and some sort of hallucinatory drug. My eyes were actually starting to dry out as I read that incomprehensible piece of crap.
I’m almost tempted find a second hand (not very difficult) of Bullshitfield Erth and see if I can make past the half way mark before throwing it out the bedroom window as I did when it first came out…nah, have better things to spend money on, like comics.
I actually liked the book. Not the movie (that was shite) but the book was good and made a lot more sense. There was the occasional odd line that was clearly the author’s thoughts thrown in but otherwise make no sense considering the character saying it: like when the protagonist (a human hunter/gatherer barbarian) has an opinion about taxation rates or what form of government is best (what?), but all in all i liked it.
I think my favourite part is the clever setup the psychlos had to monopolize interstellar (intergalactic? universal?) travel. Anyone is familiar with the Spacing Guild from Dune will understand the political and economic clout ~that~ makes possible, and having the humans step in to the psychlos’ shoes after they’re all dead made sense. It’s very much a “humans make good” story, which is something i enjoy.
jmsr
Hi Kronomex,That is the thing to me about old Ron,he threw his books at the walls and if they stuck off to the races.Those who have read my posts for awhile here.know that I am pretty even-keeled about Ron likes and hates.As long as what is done with the tech does not harm or hurt I am not going to argue the merits of Battlefield Earth or any book in that series.But I have to tell you I loved it when you threw that one out the bedroom window! Honestly Ole Doc Methuselah was better and I believe Ron Wife #1 Sara? thought up the story line first.xo
I read a lot of shit by LRH that made me go “huh?”.
Thinking of those people who were killed & wounded in that club in Orlando. Fifty dead and 56 wounded. Are these kind of massacres ever end? With access to automatic weapons, I doubt it……
My heart goes out to the families of the head and wounded. I just don’t understand….
There was no automatic weapons used. It was done by a muslim who called the gov before the shooting to ID himself and align himself with Isis. My hunting rifle is MUCH more deadly that the weapon he used.
There is NO room for bigotry here. Anti-christian?, anti-muslim?, anti-flat earth society?. no bigots
Huh?
Um, ok… Thanks for the PSA
Well yes, a hunting rifle is more powerful than an assault rifle. The Sturmgewehr 44 was developed, over the objections of the Fuherer, because someone on the general staff noticed that the majority of infantry engagement happened at 300 meters or less, thus allowing a less powerful cartridge that was usable by a selective fire fire weapon.
Okay, I love to lecture. 🙂
Leslie, the gas layout was copied from the Sturmgewehr 44 for the AK-47. Direct inspiration in design.
We should go back to when there was MUCH MUCH less gun violence in America. Back when one could anonymously mail order military machine guns cheaply and almost all children had ready access to high powered weapons.
Just to get the illogical people hinking about factual causation… 😉
There WERE no automatic weapons used. Of course, that’s meaningless. The type of weaponry used by this horrible killer is for one thing only… the killing of human beings. Your hunting rifle has a legitimate purpose. So your argument ( if this is what you would claim it is ) is embarrassingly stupid.
But then again, you’re a smart guy who knows lots and lots about weaponry because you feel the need to correct others in this regard. You are, no doubt, a responsible gun owner and, as such, know – and would agree – that automatic, semi-automatic, etc.; it really doesn’t matter.
These weapons have to be banned to begin the long and difficult process of getting rid of them… one by one. It’ll take years. But, of course, only a complete idiot would disagree.
Another who is clueless about weapons. An “AR-15” is ALSO used for hunting. The name given is meaningless. BUT, in the USA we are guaranteed the right to own weapons that are PRIMARILY for killing people, not for hunting. Why? Because that is what it took to get rid of the last government that suppressed human rights. AND, the people that supported that tyranny. Mostly we kicked them out to live in Canada although many were executed.
Is there any limit to “bearing arms” that you would feel comfortable with? Can Americans own nuclear bombs? Do you imagine the Founders even conceived of a weapon that can fire (approx) 800 rounds a minute? There is nothing in the Constitution that defines what “arms” means.
And it was only in 2008 that the USSC finally voted to eviscerate the “in a formal organized militia” portion of the Amendment. One could say the USSC amended the amendment.
Britain didn’t suppress human rights. They taxed us without allowing us representation. That is not a human right, at least anywhere I have seen such defined. And if you take that track, then the USA is guilty of the same violation: 600K citizens in DC are taxed without having representation.
Mike, An AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon?
Almost all Ar-15s and their clones are semi-automatic. Licenses for fully automatic rifles are hard to get and not all states allow them.
Just senseless heartbreak, humanity…WE need to do better. So many families destroyed last night ?
It just keeps getting worse. And this kind of shit will never end. I cried like a baby thinking of all the victims’ families and what they’re going through now. They will likely never really recover emotionally.
Wonder if the C of $ sent Way to Happiness booklets to the Gay bar? Or maybe since they are all homo phobes they decided NOT to help them with WTH books!
TWTH and the gay community… why does that ring a bell… oh yeah… http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientologys-homophobia-even-the-churchs-token-gay-guy-was-disgusted-6685758
It doesn’t even make sense – why would everything in the implant device need to point at the pineal gland if it took up most of the skull? And according to LRH wouldn’t the thetan be the source of any psychic abilities and not the brain anyway? Amazing that I used to believe all this stuff when the inconsistencies are right there.
Because the pineal gland is the point where the immaterial spirit joins with and controls the material body. That is according to Descartes, the source of that specific scientology “breakthrough” more than 300 years prior.
“All my life I have had an awareness of other times and places. I have been aware of other persons in me. – Oh, and trust me, so have you my reader that is to be. Read back into your childhood, and this sense of awareness I speak of will be remembered as an experience of your childhood. You were not then fixed, not crystallized. You were plastic, a soul in flux, a consciousness and an identity in the process of forming – ay, of forming and forgetting.
“You have forgotten much, my reader, and yet, as you read these lines, you remember dimly the hazy vistas of other times and places into which your child eyes peered. They seem dreams to you today. Yet, if they are dreams, dreamed then, whence the substance of them? Our dreams are grotesquely compounded of the things we know. The stuff of our sheerest dreams is the stuff of our experience. As a child, a wee child, you dreamed you fell great heights; you dreamed you flew through the air as things of the air fly; you were vexed by crawling spiders and many-legged creatures of the slime; you heard other voices, saw other faces nightmarishly familiar, and gazed upon sunrises and sunsets other than you know now, looking back, you ever looked upon.
“Very well. These child glimpses are of other-worldness, of other-lifetimes, of things that you had never seen in this particular world of your particular life. Then whence? Other lives? Other worlds? Perhaps, when you have read all that I shall write, you will have received answered to the perplexities I have propounded to you, and that you yourself, ere you came to read me, propounded to yourself.”
Opening of The Star Rover, by Jack London, 1915
Lest one thinks that the above is the first time Jack London broached this subject, in 1907, his book “Before Adam” started thusly:
“Pictures! Pictures! Pictures! Often, before I learned, did I wonder whence came the multitudes of pictures that thronged my dreams; for they were pictures the like of which I had never seen in real wake-a-day life. They tormented my childhood ….”
and a fascinating novel begins by the Bay Area’s most legendary writer.
I didn’t get a chance to weigh in on the last discussion. I think it’s surprising that people who have realizations about life (which hopefully are in fact true for them) would give up their most basic certainties JUST because they left Scientology. Even in “Training: Duplication”, LRH himself says the final step of “realization” in study comes when something becomes TRULY true for you and NOT “because Ron said it.” (of course most Scientologists just accept anything he says as true, even when he contradicts himself directly).
So if one believes one is a spirit and not “killable” by body death, does one change that belief because one has been betrayed by the church of scientology? Does that betrayal wipe out a truth for one? Well, I guess it might for some, I grant that.
My gut feeling (and I have been an aethiest/agnostic my entire life, no belief in “the supreme being”) is that the creative spark in us is NOT physical, that we do not die with our body death.
One hundred percent certain of that? No, I am not. But I would be if I exteriorized and found myself on the ceiling looking down at my body as Jason Beghe said he did.
I first “exteriorised” during OT TR0 on the STCC, a trance-inducing process that psychologists and neurologists would argue leads to sensory disruption and dissociation. But Hubbard, an accomplished hypnotist and master of misdirection, said it was separation of body and spirit and, lets face it, that sounds far sexier.
I gave up nothing I believed in when I left scamology. But, that subject added nothing to my beliefs…
Leaving aside the OT3 story, which is a lot different can of worms (I guess one either believes that or not, obviously I don’t or I would still be getting auditing with some “independents”). But I think the lecture itself, which does make sense to me, is basically simple: theta is apart from bodies and comes to earth as spirit and finds itself enmeshed in MEST/bodies and thus becomes the effect of it, thinking that it (spirit) is physical. (of course in his lectures, LRH never understands that “less is more” when making important or basic points)
What about the pineal gland stuff?
Creepy sci-fi porn
Dave (and Tom),
Hype, Desperation and Goofy Shit Mashup Update:
YOUR cognitive dissonance on Hubbard’s endless rundown of mumbo-jumbo, double talk and run of the mill bologna, with some hooey mixed in, is terminal.
The train wreck continues. First you lost your and Hubbard’s investments in junk stocks, gold and oil. Now your real estate house of cards collapses. Half-baked investments, half-baked media moguls and half-baked real estate boondoggles. By half-assed ecclesiasticals.
What’s up with Tom’s Telluride property STILL being up for sale in the Wall Street Journal for “50% of the cost to build”. Isn’t about half of the remaining proceeds owed to JB for his labor and management services with compound interest?
And then there is the Int/Gold base. Another 5.2 magnitude earthquake on the San Jacinto fault (which comes within a hundred feet of your residential ‘berthing’ buildings. The San Jacinto fault is the most active in Southern California and has has been a burr up your butt for decades. Last weeks’ shaker was 30 miles away but one closer to your bunker will cause ‘liquifaction’. Every one of the hundreds of aftershocks diminishes the value of your 100s-of-millions money pit. When you finally cry “uncle”, you will be lucky to get 10 cents on the dollar. Class Actions will deplete your reserves.
Happy dissonance.
Did you know:
That 47.3% of Scientologist passwords on computers, e-mail and websites are “thetan”?
It’s a fact!
why oh why did we all spend so much of our lives reading and trying to duplicate this shit? Didn’t most of us see ‘the red’ flags? I know i did but i was trying to save my marriage and this is what my immediate family wanted. To leave my other family and friends behind, to use up most of our funds, end up declared all for what was mostly bs and the rambling of a sick mind. I was totally bamboozled. How sad.those years weren’t so bad but the effects like losing my kids and husband and leaving my home obviously weren’t worth any this of this. We go on and hopefully learn and grow from it.
How does one parody this?
Oh wait…I’m working on it.
It would be funny if it weren’t for all the dead bodies.
“…. anything ever said by L. Ron Hubbard is gospel truth and the reliance upon it is a sign of the true fundamentalist…..”
Hubbard teaches that his wisdom he preaches/teaches is from:
a) others, who he gives frugal thanks to
b) his own experiences this lifetime
c) his past lives experiences which are stupendous and prodigious
So this wisdom today is from past lives.
Hubbard made his followers delve deep and voluminously into their past lives, at least if you did any decent couple hundred hours or more of 1969 vintage “standard Dianetics” with the 1-9, A-D comnands.
Part of the excitement of Scientology (Standard Dianetics) is exploring the terra incognita of your past lives.
So, people who fall into Scientology should expect to maybe someday, once they reach “New Era Dianetics” at least (Grade 5), do some whole track exploring of their own nasty past lives engrams.
Technically, Hubbard when he chose to move New Era Dianetics after Grade 4, that scotched getting people into the exciting delusions of past lives engrams, oh well. That’s LRH’s grade chart revision fault.
So today, these exciting earlier exploratory auditing results that even the early 1950s era Scientologists were delving into, long before the 1965-1978 lineup of the Grade Chart sort of cut people off from “standardly” exploring their past lives, way back in early exploration days, people could delve into their delusion big time, if you were among the tiny few who were in the movement in the early 1950s and then again up to the late 1950s.
Past lives is Scientology, so crazy sci fi incidents are just your imagination away from being “discovered” by you.
Scientology is kind of science-fiction-past-lives-is-REALLY-real-quack-therapy.
The Xenu engram that Hubbard discovered neatly in 1967 then led to today’s exorcism levels, OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 today.
What do you expect from a quack past lives pseudo-therapy/exorcism practice?
It’s gonna be as crazy as your imagination.
One thing I think will be important to witness in the near future years or decade will be if when the Scientology in house dictionary is finally issued, the question is will that dictionary contain definitions of
Xenu
“body thetans”
If not, then Scientology itself has not developed past Hubbard’s taboo words he’s shackled them from defining so that their full subject can be even understood fully.
OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 today only make sense with a little background for why do they even do those OT levels.
Xenu caused the Wall of Fire/4th Dynamic Engram/36 and 1/2 days of R6 implanting resulting in earth’s massive overpopulation of “body thetans” and Hubbard’s OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 ultimately supposedly exorcise a person’s “body thetans” off of them nice and neatly.
A proper simple neutral language summary of Scientology’s lower levels talk therapy, mid level past lives trauma engram elimination, and Scientology’s upper levels exorcism due to the Xenu engram “body thetans” fallout, would be nice, if someday someone in some encyclopedia gets Scientology’s whole enchilada neatly laid out.
– Chuck Beatty
ex Flag Course Sup, ultra long term dupe (reborn atheist today) who unfortunately took the job of course supervision and helping students understand Hubbard’s whole theory, seriously.
So what if i audit a past life and find that I was Hitler, Lenin. or Stalin?
Get in line, sucker. Theo Grant (LA Org HGC auditor had six PCs in one week that thought they were JESUS). WOOAAOW!
Hi Chewkacca, Your post was great,gave me a laugh now but I recall several Sea Orgers who decided to talk about who they thought they had been.Funny the concentration of Nefertitis’ King Tuts’ Napoleons etc. What no nice ripe tomatos waiting to use the e-meter?lol.xo
Chewkacca, that’s something that always leads to me saying (to myself), Wow! And look at your life now!
Dr. Van Allen was once asked if there was life on Mars?
He replied “Mostly on Friday and Saturday nights”
And so on, and so forth…. Ugg!
truly the proof of when man follows anything that promises anything
Hi Mike,1952,I had not read anything that early by Ron in years.Thank you for posting it! Ended up with a headache line something about my skull folding along Ron’s time track.What a cheerful image!lol.And the apparatus shooting into the pineal gland,shades of creepy half Syfy half horror movies.XO
Ann, actually made me a bit dizzy reading some of it.
Hi Thegman 77, Dizzy and so glad to be out and reading you!XO
I bet your pineal gland is thumping after reading that Ann, mine is!
ALL my glands are thumping!
My glands used to thump all night long! I told them to knock that shit off because I couldn’t sleep…
Hi justmeteehee, Was it ever hard to get to sleep after reading Ron’s World Words! Disco jumping I just could not calm down.Needed some harp music! Love U.
Holy brains over thetan powers Batman! (the pinal gland is the source of OT powers?!)
I am answering this after 3 hours in the pool floaty & 1 1/2 six packs & I STILL can’t make heads or tails out of it.
Thanks for the weekend entertainment Mike.
This is definitely true of L. Ron Hubbard, especially the ORIGINAL Class IX course that existed before NOT’s auditing became the New Class IX course. L. Ron Hubbard sometimes wrote and talked GIBBERISH. Trying to explain away the unknown in a manner coherent to people. But the worst thing that happened is that it never produced “the result”. Yee Gads! What result is that? 🙂 Can you imagine the hours of cramming, word clearing and review to locate the “item” causing incorrect application. Here comes the answer, toss them over the bow of the ship into the ocean! LRH came to his senses eventually and took off into hiding even though the government could not prove he was still transmitting information to the church to update their services lineup with. Smart guy but aren’t we all at times. 🙂
Hi, Lawrence. You wrote, in part, Can you imagine the hours of cramming, word clearing and review to locate the “item”… I just realized that L. Ron Hubbard was the ultimate control freak; the most narcissistic person ever. Nay, he’s the King of Narcissists. Why? Because he found ways, through cramming, word clearing and review, to force scientologists to believe everything he ever said or wrote. I mean, the control he has over his followers is mind-boggling. It’s one thing for a narcissist to get you to do what he wants, it’s an entirely different thing for him to go to such lengths of enforcing it. Devilish! He has scientologists in the palm of his rotted, decayed corpse hand, with David “Let Him Die” Miscavige picking up the slack. Sincerely, Fred G. Haseney aka JennyAtLAX
I do remember listening to this, fascinating stuff but like you say gibberish, trying to make sense of it was quite a battle.
Grew up around some Christian literalists. If you add up all the generations in the creation story in Genesis is works out to 6000 years or so.
Thanks, Mary. That answers a question I’ve had for decades! 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology
Not the only attempt to infer the age of Earth via biblical literalism, but definitely the best known
I researched my personal history, much like these biblical experts did. When I saw my family tree, I found out I still had a bunch of idiot relatives living in them.
Great posting, I have to read it a couple of times b/c the word salad (“and so forth”) makes my head spin.
OT: Any plans to write a book? I am ready to preorder!
Sounds like things I wrote while stoned in college. When read the next day they were good for a laugh; certainly no thought that the drug induced musings should ever be taken seriously!
I’m dumbfounded….
I guess it’s true that it’s All. Made. Up.
I am L(sd) Ron Hubbard and I am still alive and well. My revised edition of Battlefield Earth is about to be released. I was most likely on heavy doses of L S D my entire live. Bless Aliens.
good one
Laughter!!