This is another piece that appears on the STAAD site.
They got me to go check it out this site with their silly boycott business…. Otherwise I probably would never have seen it. While nosing around I came across this amazing piece of work.
According to this genius The Aftermath is a plot by….
BIG PHARMA!
I wish I knew about this…
I have put her full article below along with some of my editorial comments in red….
Scientology and Conspiracy: The Real Story
Perhaps you’ve come across “the real story” about Scientology on your Facebook feed, television screen or on some tabloid cover in the grocery store checkout aisle. These sources might have even espoused alarming accounts from a few individuals who left Scientology. [“Might have”?? “A few”??]
If one suggested that these articles, documentaries and TV shows were fabricated, you might be reluctant to believe it. How could that even be possible? For these sources to be lies, there would have to be a far-reaching, systematic misinformation campaign permeating our media.
Who would even orchestrate something like that?
You’re not a conspiracy theorist. Let’s be realistic. [Yeah, nothing like being realistic… and this is NOTHING like being realistic. This is a study in tortured “logic” not realism]
Americans consume a staggering 15.5 hours of media every day, and what we watch and read clearly has an impact on what we think, and thus public opinion. Which is why it is so important that journalists tell it like it is.
The media is tasked with delivering that unbiased truth to the public, and news networks pride themselves on being “truthful.” CNN’s slogan is “The Most Trusted Name in News.” Fox News’ tagline has been “Fair and Balanced” for decades (until recently).
So if every network or newspaper claims to be a shining paragon of pure fact wouldn’t it be crazy to suggest there was an anti-Scientology propaganda campaign designed to discredit the religion? [Yes, it would]
Well, actually, not so crazy. The U.S. has a checkered past full of propaganda campaigns.
Beginning in the 1950s, during Cold War years, the CIA used journalists to influence public opinion by planting false information through a program called Operation Mockingbird. [Oh, so it’s the CIA??]
The Tobacco Industry knew as early as 1950 that cigarettes caused cancer, but this information was suppressed with misleading news articles and advertisements until 1998, when they were forced to acknowledge the physical dangers of smoking. [Well, this is rich — perhaps the author doesn’t know what L. Ron Hubbard said about smoking and cancer? It’s not smoking that causes cancer, it is not smoking enough…. Really bad example to use Liv. You should do a little more homework]
Who would benefit from discrediting Scientology?
[Interesting question — but wrongly stated because nobody benefits from that. It should say “Who would benefit from ending the abuses of scientology? That answer is obvious]
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has accused the mainstream media of influencing presidential elections. [Your point?]
It’s not difficult to see the pattern here. Powerful players in government and multi-billion dollar industries want to protect their interests so they use their media connections to develop propaganda campaigns that turn the tide in their favor. [THIS is the pattern you have decided to hang your hat on?]
Now, back to Scientology. The “news” sources that denigrate the religion smell like propaganda campaigns. [Smell like? Which ones?] These networks don’t bother interviewing any of the overwhelming majority of Scientologists who are still in good standing with the church and they conveniently overlook the fact that their ex-Scientologist sources were kicked out for unethical behavior. [Now Liv, you know this is just not true. A hundred letters or more have been sent to scientology asking for people to interview. The last person scientology agreed to have be interviewed was a LAWYER Monique “Blinky” Yingling. You have refused to allow ANYONE to be interviewed for The Aftermath. Your spokespeople run away when they see a camera crew on the street and refuse to engage. This is just another of your bald-faced lies]
Journalists like Richard Behar and Lawrence Wright who have written scandalous accounts of Scientology have been proven again and again to be liars and propagandists. [Proven? Really? You sued Time magazine and Richard Behar and LOST. You threatened Lawrence Wright and everyone else and have never even FILED a lawsuit… So what exactly is your proof?]
Vocal ex-Scientologist sources like Leah Remini and Mike Rinder have even admitted that they were paid by television networks to provide sensationalist accounts of the “evils” of Scientology. [Nope, they have admitted they were paid by A&E to produce a show that would give a forum for the victims of scientology to speak — not a single one of them has been paid ANYTHING]
But why? Who would benefit from discrediting Scientology?
The answer is Big Pharma. [OMFG — she got to this conclusion from that string of “logic”] This multi-billion dollar industry pulls the strings on mainstream corporate media. Almost every major media outlet in the United States shares at least one board member with at least one drug company. And it doesn’t stop there. [Well shit, that proves it]
Pharmaceutical companies spent over $3 billion per year on drug advertisements. FDA drug trials are falsified and fast-tracked. Medical journals are paid to promote the new “wonder drugs.” [And this connects to the abuses being exposed in scientology how?]
And drug companies regularly obscure the dangerous effects their drugs have on public health. One in six Americans are on psychiatric drugs, including hundreds of thousands of children under a year old. Big Pharma is everywhere, and it stops at nothing to expand its hold on American minds.
Scientologists oppose psychiatric drugs because of their harmful effects on the mind and body. The Church is one of the few organizations in the world that stands up—loudly—against the prevailing doctrine that psychiatric drugs are the only solution to mental health. [You have a WAY overestimation of the impact you have on “Big Pharma” or anyone else for that matter. They don’t even know you exist. Sorry]
Now the idea that there might be a funded, coordinated misinformation campaign about Scientology begins to look more and more realistic. [Only if you have a single digit IQ. There is NOTHING that would lead anyone to this conclusion — boy do I wish these multi-billion dollar companies were dishing out the cash… Actually, now that you mention it Liv. The BIGGEST single contributor to scientology’s coffers is Bob Duggan. His money comes from… wait for it… yes, it is true: BIG PHARMA. Maybe scientology is really who is being controlled and influenced by Big Pharma?]
So ask yourself: does it make sense to buy into the “accounts” of a small handful of rabid ex-Scientologists who stand to gain a big payout for discrediting the church that kicked them out? [What is this big payoff you are talking about? Getting some of the Duggan Big Pharma money?]
Or does it make sense that millions of happy Scientologists around the world belong to a church that improves their lives, which is why nothing will stop them from being Scientologists, no matter the media storm raging? [Millions? Seriously? Have you noticed you are unable to even fill the Shrine Auditorium ONCE A YEAR? And that only holds 6300 people? In 1993 the LA Sports Arena had 10,000. That’s nearly 25 years ago. This is another illogic — “should you believe all those stories about people being abused by pedophile priests or all the happy catholics in the world?]
Think for yourself. Keep your own counsel. And get your information straight from the source.
[Great advice Liv. You should probably listen to yourself more often….]
Hundreds of thousands of children under a year old on psychiatric meds? For depressed teens anti-depressants aren’t usually the first thing doctors try. I know that from personal experience.
You have the most wicked sense of humour, Mike. Season 3 of the Aftermath should have you providing the captions.
@otviii2late, Lol! That just made me imagine a Mystery Science Theater 3000 type show that airs old LRH film and other $cientology propaganda (the leaked Tom Cruise – you know the one – would be epic, as would his interview with Matt Lauer… plus any Miscavage events, etc.) with Mike and Leah (and guests) seen in silhouette eating popcorn and making fun of it. You kind of have to be familiar with MST3000 to imagine it. Here is a very short clip… there are full episodes available on YouTube and Netflix: https://youtu.be/geYkfXGLnIk
Fact/Reality Check… cigarette companies knew their product causes cancer in 1950, but it was never revealed until 1998? Only 19 years ago? Um…where has she been?
Per the NIH:
In 1965, Congress required all cigarette packages distributed in the United States to carry a health warning, and since 1970 this warning is made in the name of the Surgeon General. In 1969, cigarette advertising on television and radio was banned, effective September 1970.
“The Reports of the Surgeon General: The 1964 Report on Smoking …”
The first paragraph of this BSisc nonsense makes me shake my head. Since $otlogy forbids the members to read anything in the ******gasp****** mainstream media, how the hell does this stupid wench know what is being said of what the truth is? She grabs her balloon to the land of Tubbies and begins emoting all over the place.
*If one suggested that these articles, documentaries and TV shows were fabricated, you might be reluctant to believe it. How could that even be possible? For these sources to be lies, there would have to be a far-reaching, systematic misinformation campaign permeating our media.*
Since *her media* spreads BS over everything I am pretty sure that her media and mine don’t have even an association with one another. I have a real issue with the *mainstream* media but she is insinuating that all of the *major media* have all the sudden decided to *play nice* long enough to gang up on co$.
To that I can only say, when are the pig flying races to be held?
Then comes: Americans consume a staggering 15.5 hours of media every day, and what we watch and read clearly has an impact on what we think, and thus public opinion. Which is why it is so important that journalists tell it like it is.
My kid probably does more some days. But how are they classifying media? News? Music? TV shows? XM radio? You talk bad about my NOOK and trust me babycakes, its on, big time.
I have the TV on most of the day. Does reruns of MASH count? Perry Mason? The science channel? I can’t imagine how Say Yes to the Dress could make me crazy, though it does my Husband at times. Please don’t tell me The Little Couple is a seditious thing. It would break my heart. And you can kill me rather than make me give up PBS.
After stupidity and stupidity she announces that the trouble falls directly on the shoulders of *gasp* big pharma.
That one gave be a big belly laugh. Really?
But why? Who would benefit from discrediting Scientology?
The answer is Big Pharma. [OMFG — she got to this conclusion from that string of “logic”] This multi-billion dollar industry pulls the strings on mainstream corporate media. Almost every major media outlet in the United States shares at least one board member with at least one drug company. And it doesn’t stop there. [Well shit, that proves it]
Then she goes on to tell why, in her view, it is what she says it is. She goes on about how they force drugs through that are intended to harm people. That they spend gazillion of dollars stuffing these drug down out throat and never say a word about the harmful side effects.
Does she really live in a alternative universe? Each ad spends at least half of the time listing the side effects. Many of which have me rolling my eyes. If you can’t breath, if you are allergic to any of the ingredients . If you can’t blink or you get it up for hours, it might not be good for you.
Enough. If co$ keeps this up, they could run Saturday Night Live out of business.
Does Miscavige ever conspire with anyone?
I can’t believe the whole line about getting paid to do a TV show. Ah, yeah, dickhead, TV isn’t made for free and these poor feckers have to make a living. Especially Mike Rinder – am sure the church has left him with a few holes in his resume.
But what about them? You don’t hear the church talking about how much money they get from their parishioners. A hell of a lot more than Mike and Leah.
I know they justify their hateful attacks because its church policy, but it’s no excuse. Especially when there is people like us who know church policy but could still see it for the shite it is.
Great work Mike..I love the show (Scientology and the Aftermath).I am from your home town Adelaide,South Australia..I drove past the CBD org and it appears shut,with the phone number disconnected.A cursory google search confirmed that it is now shut permanently.I’d like to think that Leah and yourself bringing awareness to the cult led to it’s demise.Congratulations…Leah & yourself make a great team & I must admit I am a little Jealous as I’ve had a crush on that beautiful,smart,sassy woman all of my life…Again keep up the great work..Best of wishes from your friend down under.
David Lewis
Thanks Mike for breaking this down that even a non can understand !! I love what you,
Leah and A&E are doing for those abused, trapped and brainwashed. I came on the
blog to make comment upon the new Scientogists against hate group and losing
sponsorship due to it…but I found this precious gem instead.
Why would big Pharma even want a thing to do with them or some conspiracy theory
when Tom Cruise did all the damage anyone or anything could do to Scientology….
he criticized Brook Shields for taking medication for postpartum depression. The “real
world” realized in that moment that something was seriously f-ed up. This is why Tom
apologized and “made up” with Brook. Maybe some of this past, like the painful issue of
John Travolta’s son dying should be brought to the attention of viewers again. I don’t
think his fans would enjoy knowing that his child may not have benefitted from big
Pharma due to the beliefs of Scientologists?? I don’t want to make assumptions or
disrespect a grieving parent but these are questions that may be jolt viewers into
understanding the severity of this cult. Actually you should beg big Pharma to feel
threatened so they could take their billions upon billions to shut Scientology down.
Is DM really that arrogant to believe that Pharma couldn’t do more to them in a matter of
mere moments?. With all due respect..they could do it without any help at all from A&E
or the few handfuls of people who are struggling to save their families and friends. I truly
am giving credit where it’s obviously so deserved. It’s taken a lot of balls and pure
unselfishness to do what you are. But big Pharma wouldn’t use A&E to accomplish
this “conspiracy”. There’s plenty bigger fish they can use.
Keep educating us on the outside. Eventually the outside world will take this as
seriously as it is. I have stopped watching anything Tom Cruise, John Travolta and other
actors who practice this so called religion. I can’t justify adding one more red cent to a
cult that abuses children. This is why I won’t be calling Geico for a quote anytime soon
either. Maybe there should be a list of companies that side with Scientology. A little LRH
in reverse.
Beth Briwn my husband has often mentioned John Travilta’s son too. Such a tragedy fior his family. However families are not apparently important to the church. Your children are just adults in small bodies according to the church policies. The parents seem to give them up when it is demanded of them. Maybe it is different for celebrities although Tom C. has not seen his daughter in quite sometime. But since Scientology can apparently cure anything it is not surprising that proper treatment might have been withheld from this young man. Not saying it is true but the question is out there. I and many people I know refuse to support any of these actors in their profession anymore. John Travolta said he was not interested in Leah and Mike’s show. (Pussy answer as Leah said). He should be smart enough to get interested. because,people are turning against the church. Tom Cruise , Christi A. and anyone associated with this abusive cult now look rather foolish. Anyone of these actors has the ability to look at the evidence of abuse especially of children. The constant begging and getting money. It is like Paul H. said when he wrote about the abuses in Scientology . If even ten percent of what he said was true his friends involved in the entertainment industry should be outraged but instead protect the church hiding behind their abusive policies. These people should be considered as the lowest of the lowest child abusers ever. By saying nothing and being not interested in finding out the truth they condone child sexual, physical,and emotional .abuse. They ought to be ashamed. I cannot even watch the Hand Maid’s Tale anymore because of Elisabeth Moss . I read the book and loved it years ago but I will not turn on season two. We, as a public can hit these people in the pocket books if nothing else. I am simply outraged and disgusted by these actors . They are not like the ordinary parishioners who are cut off from the internet and books other than ones related to Scientology.. The actors and actresses that support this abusive cult need to feel a little lighter in their bank accounts. Maybe then they will become interested Mr. Travolta. The things that has happened to the majority of the regular parishioners children in this cult sickens me and should sicken you Mr. Travokta, Mr, Cruise, Miss Ali, Miss Moss and the rest of you. Wake up. You already all look like a bunch of crack pots. I am done now, but leave this post so sad for those abused children. Thank you Leah and Mike. I love how you answered everyone of Liv’s ridiculous statements. Does the church of scamology not get it that people see them for the cruel, money hungry beasts they are. By this I Mean the person at the top who gets to live a lavish lifestyle like D.M and his little buddy Tom C. . I am not speaking about regular folks who are paid very little if anything and yet are robbed for every last cent they have by the church. My heart goes out to those folks and I hope they see the light.
Beth, I know a LOT about autism but I have seen ZERO evidence of what you are alleging about Travolta’s son. What I DO know from the data they gave is that they were negligent in allowing him to be unattended.
Teen males with autism are especially at risk from those type of injuries due to the POSSIBILITY of a seizure and should not be without adult supervision.
I don’t trust the Media for a few reasons anyone remember the Halloween Candy w razor blades & other things & kids had worry enough to take to local Hosp to Xray candies or bring to police station for them to ck nothing like some KID Fears but the Media Lied it Never happened least by strangers but a few were hurt by there own Families but that Lie went on for Years & Years and I’ve heard other News stories that made No sense so I looked it up & found Lies again so IMO News is okay for weather if they don’t screw that up, when it comes to Religion if ppl are kept behind bars or abused something Very wrong is going on & IMO No Church should be run buy One Person there’s to much to risk & Scn and others seem to do more harm than help and religion should make you feel better not send you running to a shrink for Meds I know I’m one of them Not Scn but take my med’s not crazy meds but for FEAR I’ve gone through which makes me feel for the ppl in this program I know abuse and it’s awful that lil gets done to Stop It & with Money comes POWER dangerous in the hands of many so w Scn I Believe the ppl than that so called church esp when who steps up to challenge what’s being said Not seen any just those Letters disputing pretty much every thing while bashing you guy’s are doing so if it walks like a Duck it Prob is and they look more and more Guilty.
WE can sanely view Liv’s idiocy … BUT … it really is kinda brilliant because the sheeple will lap up every last drop of this bullshit. They HUNGER for any “stable datum” which relieves them of the very painful activities of observing and thinking for themselves.
“…it stops at nothing to expand its hold on American minds.” “It” is just not very good at that. And it’s not Big Pharma I’m talking about either!
Liv Watson, “passionate about saving the world”… how exactly? By spreading lies and defending a malicious gang of thugs and hoodlums?
Really Liv, you better dig down into your soul and take a good hard look at yourself. You are better than this.
WhatAreYourCrimes..
they are “passionate about saving the world”…THEIR WORLD!!
Outraged Activist,
Loved, loved, loved your post!!!
On another blog a few years ago I made the case for mandetory sterilization of all scios.
A few commenters compared me to Hitler! Now time and all these stories are proveing me out. It’s not at all like Hitler. The big difference: Nazis targeted a real religion–the basis of Christianity–who’s practitioners had absolutely no record of sexually or physically abusing their children any more then anyone else. Scientology is a fake religion (science fiction more like) who’s practitioners DO abuse their children. They have to. There own “scripture” demands it. Since the law and the police have proved they are too chickensh-t
to do anything about these creatures, we can at least demand from our representatives and Congress that scios are stopped from ever again having children which they can abuse for there own sick rituals.
God Bless You,
Amy
I just think this is an awful post. Forced sterilization…really? If your goal is anything like mine, to stop the abusive practices, then your hyperbolic statements are actually counterproductive. These sort of overblown statements are worse than useless.
Amy L, you are kidding, right?
Amy….if you believe your post, you need to get some help. NOW!
Forced sterilization?? That’s almost as bad as forced abortions in the Sea Org. I sometimes think that those in the Sea Org are more like victims that need rescuing and those at the top, including some celebrities, need to pay restitution to give former Sea Org members a start in their new lives and the counseling they will need. Then their asses need to be taken to jail for stealing, not only from their members, but from the IRS for falsely being classified as a church. I don’t want to get political but when the “church” does fall that’s going to leave a lot of people needed government help and I would never begrudge them that help but I think DM and the like should also be held responsible for footing that bill as well.
Amy,
You’re freakin’ nuts.
Or a troll.
Or both.
God bless,
Aqua
Wow you’re a dumbass. Scn’s do not abuse their children as common practice – yes the ones that land up in the sea org or whose parents are working on staff are not necessarily treated well but public scientologists children are generally treated as well as any other middle class child – it all depends on the parents (same as any other family). I had a really stable upbringing and was looked after really well by my parents – but my friends whose parents were in the sea org did not have the same experiences I did – they were neglected as there was never any extra money for anything.
I don’t agree with any of the abuses that occurred and that they were covered up and condoned by the church is not ok, but you cannot paint all scientologists with the same brush. Yes we were blind enough to be involved in (or born into) a cult but that doesn’t mean that a huge percentage of us aren’t normal decent human beings.
I am a bit perplexed about this new ridiculousness. Why go with ANYTHING new? WHY not keep with “COS is huge & growing & these critics are lying for some big payoff down the road” I mean yea, those are easily shown as a bunch of lies but wth, they’ve been vomiting those bald face lies since the beginning of ALL critics speaking out began. So why add this? Why NOW? I don’t get it. What made a Scientologist put this new, additional BS in writing and where Non-Scientologists would read it? And WHO let it go to press without one iota of fact checking? I’m starting to wonder if the remaining active Scientologists will turn the corner from Talking Crap Ave to Don’t Give a Crap Crazy Court and reach Jones Town Terrace to partake in cookies & kool aide and THAT is sad and scary. The thought of all the innocents caught inside gives me nightmares
because in the land of non-scientologists…there are many sheeple that believe anything the fake media feeds them. They don’t educate themselves…they just chow down. How do you think that Trump was put in office…people are sick of the media and Scientologists are kind of clever enough to join this “I’m so against hatred and discrimination” bandwagon because the sheeple on the outside will actually fight for “freedom of religion” when they haven’t even stepped inside a religious facility in their lives. People on the outside HATE big pharma…especially with the opioid epidemic and the cost of medications. So Scientologists are actually being a little clever…or at least trying to. They know their world is crashing down…fast! This is proof that the kool-aide is wearing off and their funds are getting less and less. Just remember, sometimes you have to be just as afraid of the sheeple on the outside as on the in. What A&E needs to do is focus on the tax exemption and the fact the “church” is getting away with not paying…they need to hammer it home over and over. People in the outside world are getting really tired of late of those wanting a free ride on their dime. I’m not saying these poor members aren’t paying a price. I’m just pointing out the hot spots. They’e not liking the big corporates or religions getting away with not paying their fair share. Again, this is why they’re hammering home about the big Pharma. It’s a stupid twist but unfortunately some of the sheeple will chow and chow more. I’m just giving a little perspective from someone on the outside.
I went over to Stand League twitter just to see if anyone was reading and believing this article. I saw some posts regarding oppression in Hungary followed by this link http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/hungary-police-search-scientology-center-budapest-50557252 posted by Muss-ray-yah (probably someone you all know but I don’t.) Anyway, interesting reason for the church to be searched. Sorry if this info is already shared here or on The Underground Bunker. Thanks to Muss-ray-yah if you are here.
Hasn’t The Co$ been going after “Big Farma” for years?
When it comes to conspiracy theories, Occam’s Razor is usually a pretty good way to test the veracity of conspiracy, certainly when dealing with anything Scn. Occam states that the simplest explaination for a given action or phenomena is usually the correct one. So with that in mind, let’s explore an example… The cherch has never been forthcoming with any sort of statistical veracity, nor collectively, has it ever demonstrated anything remotely resembling accurate numeracy, except for a balance sheet or three. LRH stated on several occasions, that he had “trouble” with M.E.S.T. arithmetic, so this institutional innumeracy isn’t surprising. Moreover, hard numbers are an easily verified means of holding the cherch to account and exposing it’s inssesant lies. Given Mike’s post today, I thought the following post appropriate. It’s a bunker post I did earlier today, exposing the lie that is Scn’s claims of increased religious-based harassment & violence, as a result of “Aftermath”, using a recently release report on hate crimes statistics in the U.S.:
It’s clear from her recent article, that WSJ reporter Alexandra Bruell, truly failed at sourcing and validating any of Scn’s claims, as to the legitimacy of their bogus boycott. Supposedly a response to “religious bigotry”, and alleged increased hate crimes and violence against its members, there’s no there, there. A quick Google search uncovers empirical evidence that Scn’s claim, as usual, have no basis in fact. In an authoritative report entitled “Final U.S. Status Report: Hate Crime Analysis & Forecast For 2016/2017”, I can find no evidence of any hate crime or hate-related violence, directed specifically towards the Church of Scientology or any of its members. If such violence occurred, it was never reported in a way that would reflect among the widely available criminal justice, and policy-related statistical data sources, included in this report.
Tellingly, Scn’s omission is even more curious, given one of Scn’s Meccas, the city of Los Angeles and it’s environs, provides a significant data source, as does Florida and other Scn nexuses. Furthermore, while there has indeed been a significant rise in hate-related crimes across the country, such crimes are predominantly racially-based. Religious-specific hate crimes comprise 19.7% of the aggregate, with anti-Muslim and anti-Jewish crimes predominating; Scn is not mentioned anywhere in the span of this report, nor in any reliable reporting for 2017 that I was able to source otherwise. More revealing, is that the vast majority of crimes are against people, not places, further exposing Scn’s lie as to violence directed against Sci-owned properties. One can further extrapolate from this distinction, that in addition to the dearth of property crime, any concerted efforts directed at individual members is also exaggerated, given Scn’s predilection to “cry foul” regarding any perceived slight, let alone physical assault.
The report I referenced, was authored by Professor Brian Levin, with data compiled by the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. A good, (though somewhat subjective and politically slanted), overview of the report’s contents can be found here at the HuffPo’s website:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hate-crime-rise-2016-united-states trump_us_59becac8e4b086432b07fed8
And the actual report is here, freely available on Scribd:
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https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/359255231/Final-Hate-Crime-17-Status-Report-PDF-1
As a researcher, I’d say at first glance, their methodology appears sound, appropriately sourced, and analytically rigorous, though I do have some caveats. I would have liked to have seen more National Institute for Justice (NIJ), Congressional Research Service, (CRS), Center for Disease & Control (CDC), and other Federal research & data providers referenced, thus providing a broader demographic context for the criminal justice-specific data, especially in regards to religious data. Attributing allegiance to a particular faith or belief, especially if self-identified, is significantly problematic, hence the need for additional semiotic, taxonomic, or statistical validation. Though the Nation’s post-election social domain has certainly been incredibly turbulent, the author(s) appear to have omitted a competent contextual discussion, in situating a comparison between the current state of anti-Muslim bias/violence, as it relates to, for instance, the last 10 years, or the role of media bias. Furthermore, they fail to include any baseline longitudinal (time) stipulations or controls in this regard, given that anti-Muslim behavior has risen steadily since 9/11, potentially skewing the mean; it could well be considered a constant in this regard. Additionally, political/terror actions by jihadists, or conversely, by Jews, both here or in the Middle East, can induce random situational spikes, and I see no mention of having longitudinally rationalized these spikes in the data. The contextual significance evolves from factors such as the editorial coverage of ISIS’ and other terror group activity in 2016, along with repressive Israeli military activity, and increased pro-Palestinian activism, specifically the Boycott, Divest, Sanction (BDS) movement across the academic and SJW world. That said, in all fairness, responsibility for my concerns, rests on both those compiling the data sourced by the authors, as well as the authors themselves. Lastly, the use of unqualified data from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is problematic in my view; in recent years, much of SPLC’s analysis and research has become verifiably politicized, and no longer enjoys it’s previous reputation for objectivity and methodological rigor. Having used earlier examples of Mr. Dees and Co.’s data on extremism in America, it pains me to make such an observation. Worryingly, aside from it’s advocacy efforts, the SPLC is not unique these days, in having the objectivity of its research and policy data subverted through a variety of questionable means. It’s an unfortunate reflection of contemporary norms within the “wonk world,” in that the sourcing and delivering of objective research, has become more incumbent on sponsor dollars, rather than scholarship, intellectual rigor, and personal integrity. In closing, I would encourage bunkeroos to read through the report; stylistically, it’s well-written and refreshingly free of multi-syllabic academic drudgery, and significantly, is disturbingly informative. To that, it certainly refutes all of Scn’s bigotry and hate hyperbole, and simply reiterates that STAND, (STTAD? STOOD? Whatever the hell), has no leg to “STAND” on… Surprise, surprise.
Wow, that’s quite the report and analysis. For those inclined to favour truth to be revealed in such statistical ways and studies it certainly does merit attention.
But I’m just a boy from the bush and get lost in such approaches rather easily. Being rank & file has a certain simplicity about it – orders is orders, and if ordered, you shoot the enemy. Trusting where the orders come from and why is a whole other thing and is toying with treason to think too much about it. Concerning Scientology and having audited numerous people over many years using it’s technology it’s hard not to conclude, time, place, form and event if ever seen for the real activities of the Church of Scientology should bring that house of cards crashing down. That’s exactly what Leah & Mike are attempting to do. The problem with such information as you have supplied, and like the truth A&E presents as well, is getting it policed. Scientology is not alone in avoiding the truth.
However, per my first hand experience and observation everything the church says or does is firmly based on lies and one heck of a lot of missed withholds, Scientologists are the most easily offended people I’ve ever met. They are stupid people for a very valid reason and hence do stupid things.
Your observations on the simplicity of orders and trust in command is well appreciated by this old former Marine. I was a grunt then reconnaissance operator my first tour, and on my second, an intelligence analyst. I think you’ll agree that, while there’s a certain binary simplicity in executing orders, your actions therein are still predicated on rather complex thought processes based on empirical truths. Especially in an ambush or other instantaneous action; once under fire, a complex calculation of fire and movement kicks-in, based on muscle memory, tactical acumen, team work, and raw adrenaline.
The difference between a soldier and Scn, is that the aforementioned is grounded in competent training, initiative and discipline, reinforced with ingrained cultural values and truths, all of which ensure a variety of potentially positive outcomes; wherein in Scn, a lack of initiative, a culture of totalitarian control, abusive discipline, and a lack of empirical truths and values, almost guarantees failure. In using statistics and numerical analysis, paradoxically, you can then create a simple argument that Scn is indeed a house of cards, based on not only objective external measures, but it’s own internal “false data” and false narratives. The numbers don’t lie. It’s not that Scns are inherently stupid; they’re more deluded than anything, deeply mired in a dishonest, deterministic nightmare, devoid of reasoned thought.
Yep, the Cof$ if full of shit, is the same conclusion I came to as well.
Appreciate your views as a Marine, sapper myself, we are well use to the taste of mud.
STAAD is a conspiracy to take advertisers and viewers from A&E a video network in competition with their own SMP. Ya I know that makes no damn sense but neither does what STAAD is saying to advertisers.
Mark,
They’re attempting to stop A&E from gnawing away their future donors/members.. They’re taking it to the outside so that the sponsors will be led by those who believe the crap Scn is shoveling to the outside. They’re playing the against discrimination…oh poor us bs. so sponsors will stay away from the subject and it will go away. Pharmaceuticals and healthcare are huge issues right now. Insurance premiums are through the roof and people cant afford their meds. They hate the Pharmaceutical companies that are making billions off of their suffering. So in effect, Scientologists are playing the outside to insure the inside. It makes no sense, but look at everything they’ve bought so far. Now they’re doing damage control on the outside and unfortunately, there are a lot of sheeple out there that will fight for Scientologists rights. This really needs to be understood because it could work if A&E doesn’t get a little sharper about how they handle this. I think it’s one big crock, but I educate myself before I just believe what the media is selling…maybe it’s because I have some experience in a little bit of it. Too many don’t understand how it truly works and buy the puppy.
Beth Brown, I enjoyed reading your perspective and I agree with the points you’ve made. Many people don’t educate themselves, don’t know how to distinguish opinion from fact, and believe whatever they read or hear from their media of choice, whether it be CNN or Fox, the Washington Post or Breitbart, etc. etc. They pick media outlets they consider safe sources of real news and truth and believe whatever these say. They’ve already selected for automatic distrust anything gleaned from sources they’ve decided are untrustworthy. Both people on the political right and those on the left do this. They never read or watch anything that does not emanate from their trusted sources. And the media know this about their customers so they just feed them what they want to hear. Their customers become mentally addicted to their own chosen media this way. Whether right, far right, left, far left or moderate, the various media know who their people are and what their red meat is, what they tune in to hear, and they supply it. They praise and defend who their people like, they bash who their customers hate. The only way to get an accurate picture of what’s really going on is to read EVERYTHING. Which is time consuming. But nowadays, its the only way. And you have to force yourself to read things that press your buttons, because if you’re a Leftie or leaning Left Moderate you have to read Alt Right and check out Fox, and if you’re a Tea Partyer or a leaning Right Moderate you have to read the WP or the LA or NY Times and include CNN in your TV news. This equates to torture for many people, so they stay with the media which is going to not upset them and become addicted to it. Precisely the media’s plan.
Beth, you mention that “…unfortunately, there are a lot of sheeple out there that will fight for Scientologists rights.”
I completely agree that there are a lot of sheeple out there and that poses any number of risks to everything we hold dear. But I’m not at all sure even a very small percentage of them will be willing to fight for $cientologists’ rights.
Indeed, I see no evidence of that, beyond the superficial results of safe-pointing a few isolated interfaith group members and a decreasing number of city, county, state and federal employees and politicians. The fact that the cult couldn’t get any local civic leaders to stand on stage with lil davey at the most recent ribbon-yanking event in Dublin would seem to evidence a trend in the exact opposite direction.
Did you come to your conclusion, based on objective facts and statistics that I’m unaware of?
This chick is either on medication or needs medication. Seriously delusional. And, to think she’s running around this planet and raising children with shit for brains. Unbelievable..
LOL
It’s probably going in her folder as a merit, or to be used against her if she ever leaves. Everything goes into the ‘folders’. Probably everything that ex-Scientologists post here are still being cataloged for the ‘folders’. You know, so when a thetan reincarnates in the next life the CoS can have it as actionable material. (except thetans aren’t real… they’re called souls or your spirit)
Yeah I heard this one repeatedly from my mother growing up- Scn has the answers to mental illness so ‘Big Pharma’ wants to destroy it. Scn will eradicate the need for pharmaceuticals and this is a threat to their profits. Whatever. After 20 years and most of the way up the bridge, she still needed medicine and doctors when she aged and got sick. And then they kicked her out of the SO for it. So much for them having the answers to being cause over one’s body.
Wow, Danielle. LRH says repeatedly that Scientology and Dianetics are NOT for the mentally ill.
HCOPLS expressly FORBID Scientology orgs from delivering auditing and training to the mentally ill.
Your mother was seriously misinformed. And you’re right: as far as the OT levels making someone “cause over one’s body. Its not true. . Too many OTs report being sickly and broke. Whatever it is that keeps a body healthy, OTness may well contribute to such a condition, but there have to be other key factors. Being OT doesn’t necessarily make a body healthy any more than it necessarily makes a body sick. Most likely if someone was an unhealthy Pre-OT he or she is going to be an unhealthy OT, and vice versa.
Outrageously sickening…..to abandon a child of 13 to the streets with no money, no place to go, no nothing…..much less a “hug” from mama. Had Mimi gone to the local Welfare office, they’ve begun an investigation & placed her in a group or foster home & begun an investigation. No doubt the “cherch” would have lied through their teeth & said that “all this is a misunderstanding” of course Mimi lives there, she’d run away, right mom”…..
Seems like Mike Rinder told the entire truth…that he WAS a Sea Org parent & that all THIS is what is done, expected, demanded…that you turn your own kids over to someone else to raise them & have little to no contact with them so when daughter Taryn said Mike wasn’t in her life so to speak, she also told the truth but left out the part that this is what is expected of STAFF.
Christi’s story was about the same…turned over to anyone available as in “Here, take MY kid & raise them while I go off & work for the Sea Org”….a person taking care of your own flesh & blood, a person you don’t know…who sexually molests them.
What I saw in Merriam, Siana, Tara, Nathan, Mimi, & Christi’s stories were LITTLE CHILDREN in ADULT bodies….those horrific memories continually replay replay replay replay like a tape that is stuck or a worn out vinyl record where the same lyric is played over & over because the needle is stuck.
All the mental health counseling in the world can’t remove the pain inflicted upon these lovely now adults…the biggest eraser in the world can’t remove this STAIN on their souls. We learn to TRY to deal with it, but most times a certain scent, sound, site, song, photograph will instantly bring us right back to childhood memories of the abuse & the abuser reignites the horror suffered.
We can offer our deepest comfort & solace, & most of all LOVE. We never ins are beginning to fully understand…those who WERE in, including STAFF like Mike Rinder…had no idea any of this was going on behind closed & secured doors. I can only imagine Mike’s HORROR at thinking that his OWN older children could have been victims of abuse as well.
I have personally been in a Court of Law, Judge, Lawyers etc….to see an ABUSED child being removed from the parental home or parental rights & the child is CRYING & BEGGING to “go home with mom/dad”……you might ask WHY…WHY would a child want to be returned to living like THAT? It’s because it is all they know…to them, it’s better than being handed over to strangers (foster parents or group home).
These mothers/fathers walked away turning their backs on their own children….but once again…for the MOST part their children STILL love them……some forgive them….but UNDERSTAND WHY the cherch was more important…..that’s been explained all to well by “the organization”……
Sacrifice YOUR CHILD for the good of saving the planet….excuse me while I go vomit…..
Sadness and horror. After spending time in Court assessing whether or not parents were capable of providing proper homes, healthcare, care, etc., for their children or for abused children to be removed from their homes and placed with other families, foster care (a seriously broken system) … The saddest and most most horrific moment I ever experienced was seeing a pair of Scientology parents walk away without a backward glance at their 6 year old child who was diagnosed with cancer who was crying out for them. The child died within 9 months in hospital and when the parents were notified, there was no response. They didn’t come to say goodbye nor arrange services for this lovely child. The medical staff, other parents arranged and attended his funeral and burial. His alleged Scientology parents never came although notified.
What KIND of RELIGION gives you permission to abandon your ill and dying child? BIG PHARMA? Wrong Answer … The correct answer is a total lack of humanity.
OMFG sadness …
So sad, tragic and completely disgusting. Please make sure that the full details of this “snapshot of pure cult evil” are revealed for all to see in as many different public forums as possible.
It may sound like inflammatory hyperbole to some, but $cn truly is a killer cult in the literal sense of both those words!
Absolutely soul crushing. Most people would not treat their dog that way never mind their child. This cult must be sucking the heart and soul out of people. Sickening revelation.
So sad about the six year old whose parents abandoned him when he was so ill. Thanks to the kind hospital staff and other parents who looked after this little boy. It breaks my heart. I still cannot get over the other young people who spoke about the abuse they had to go through too. I think about my own children, grand children and great grand daughter and cannot imagine kicking them out of their home like that young lady who was escorted out of Scientology at the age of thirteen. It is mind boggling and heart breaking. She is a beautiful young woman now but what she went through is disgusting. To think that she could not be left alone with her dying mother becase they sent a handler along from the church. It shows just how crazy they are. I am glad the mother was able to get that poem out to her daughter which in essence asked for her forgiveness. The poor dying woman was not even allowed to be alone with her daughter. This should be call the cult of evil. I will never forget the stories of all of these young people. I pray they will know that there are loving and kind people outside the church. I hope they know how brave and beautiful they all are. This is why I say Tom Cruise, John T. And the rest of those so called celebrities are as guilty as the people that abused these children by choosing to look the other way. It is disgusting behaviour all around.
Long-time reader, first-time poster.
Pedophilia. Child abuse. Manual labor. I don’t know if all Scientology parents practice these things, but I do know from all the quotes you’ve shown that it’s part of their official “Church” policy. So I assume at least most do.
After hearing these gut-wrenching first-hand accounts, I don’t see how any civilized society can allow Scientologists to continue to have children. It’s been proven to lead, in far too many instances, to the preying on, and sexual abuse of, the most innocent victims imaginable.
For years mental health professionals have proposed the idea of mandatory licensing of all prospective parents before they can have children. I for one am a strong advocate of such a law. It would ferret out all those prone to violence and child abuse. Not least of which are the sexually perverted, money-hungry, celebrity-obsessed Scientology robots.
The madness has to stop!
“For years mental health professionals have proposed the idea of mandatory licensing of all prospective parents before they can have children”.
Oh boy! Can of worms meet opener.That is something suggestive of merit but imo presents extreme danger in such proposals. I trust no beauracry, medico-legal system nor science of the mind to reserve the right of power over who can or who can’t have children. Yes, there is a problem with Scientology parenting, domestic violence issues, drug and alcohol family related matters, mental health issues etc etc. but a big brother approach in introducing legislation governing parenthood rights … oh my… which once passed cannot be easily reversed and like most legislation, gets amended and begets more legislation and more rules. I don’t know about the US but Family and Child services in Australia often makes a mess of things and creates victims of their own to eventually have to deal with, or not, depending usually on media involvement. State institutional child services has a wicked history to overcome.
What an incredible difference it would make in the world it we would treat children as we would have wanted to have to be treated as children.
To me, that’s about as philosophical as it gets. Think on it for a sec, OK? Love u.
No thanks I Yawn. I wanted candy and amusement parks all the time. If I had been treated like I wanted, I would be a useless wretch as an adult.
LOL. naw, I was alluding to pre teen period mostly. Had some neighbour’s kids playing out the front yesterday. Their laughter and imagination was infectious, their grandparents joined in and the kids gave all sorts of rules to follow in their game. It was fun to watch and made me smile but I also realised what Scientology steals from life.
completely tracking with you I Yawn. Yes, sad isn’t it what went down
Mike, is there an email address or something like that where I can send you “Bonus from Tipsters” stuff? I have a letter from the IAS office saying they lowered the price of the Annual membership from $500 to $250. Would you be interested in having that?
See your email
So, one of the Church’s biggest whales helped back Aftermath. Mike, why didn’t you ever tell us?!
Mike, your takedown of this ridiculous article was just bloody brilliant.
Yes, Mike, your snark. Nobody does it better. Or funnier!
Loved this, Mike. Good ‘Ole Big Pharma! The cult can always count on the drug companies to blame when all else fails. And the Sheep can always be depended upon to believe anything the cult tells them, about Big Pharma….about anything, actually.
Really, Liv, a proper conspiracy theory has to include aliens or international bankers. Big Pharma is pretty weak sauce. Do you really think they are afraid that a few thousands oddballs that do self-help therapy instead of Valium will cut into their profits? I doubt that they have ever heard of Scientology.
I remember the self-satisfied grin on Dave Miscavige’s face when he told us in the 90s that we were cutting into Eli Lilly’s profits with our ad campaigns. Somehow Eli Lilly is still around.
Oh well. It is said that just about everybody believes in at least one conspiracy theory. Pick your poison. But please be wary of explaining your failures with finely spun webs involving sinister shadowy figures. There may or may not be conspirators whispering together against you, but your failures are probably arising from causes closer to home.
Like your continuing abuses of your fellow man.
I thinks somebody once said something like: “Try to live with the truth.”
“Really, Liv, a proper conspracy theory has to include aliens or international bankers.”
LOL, Bruce!
Poor Liv….destroyed ?? I can imagine now that she would get one or two direct messages on her social media accounts…. not that I am encouraging that or anything…
Once one buys into the belief LRH was master of the human mind, every external datum is filtered. The ones that backup what Ron says stick and the rest is noncomprehendable. This person is unfortunately shut off from observation of anything that does not confirm her beliefs.
I wouldn’t try and argue your points with her. I hope not but seems a personal catastrophe is possibly the only event that may help.
My question may sound absurd , but did the cult buy or take over mace kingsley ranch. If so when ? Never saw or head anything about that. But its obvious that shit they do there is cult bs. Who runs it now ? As usual Mike you and Leah were great. I elect Mike to be the new authority on the cult for those who have left.
Rutube link to last night’s show… https://rutube.ru/video/364de90f78e54fe1980809abd5d74c54/?ref=search
Stupid is, what stupid does. And these Scientologists want all of mankind to spend an eternity with them? Finding misplaced commas in the bullshit, their boss’s highest technical achievement of any kind. What stupid people Scientologists truly are, they continue to severely handicap their own intelligence despite all evidence to the contrary. STAAD probably should represent, “stupid to absolute absurdity demanded.”
Blind leading the blind indeed!
wow- this constant flow of articles, books, seminars & classes….. seems just like how Charles Manson brainwashed his followers. He would constantly speak and share his views, every day they had to listen to his theories.
Also- they couldn’t leave the group without losing their children.
I see many parallels…
So do I, Ali. Both are/were vicious cults. With absolutely no redeeming value.
I suppose it’ll gives jailers something to do eventually. It truly is a bit scary to wonder to where all this will lead if they don’t just simply vanish.
I hope the jailers have Bubba. He could certainly straighten anyone out.
Well if he can’t straighten ’em out, he can certainly bend ’em over…?
Gives the term ‘deep and meaningful’ a whole new perception. Some things you just take in stride I guess. Better to be live an honest life.
I bet the dwarf would enjoy that.
There is some good evidence that Charlie Manson was influenced by Hubbard, either directly or through another high control group Scientology splinter group known as “The Process”.
But really all these high control groups use similar methods. In the end it is just unscrupulous opportunists taking advantage of basic flaws in human nature. It happens in political groups, religious and non-religious groups, even in families.
A great resource on this is Jon Atack’s “Open Minds Foundation”.
Bruce,
A new book,”The Fear Factor” by Abigail Marsh, covering the subjects of psychopathy and empathy, may be of interest to you as an avid reader. I would be interested in your take and review.
Thanks, Brian, ordered and in the reading list! I also thought “Anatomy of Evil” by Michael Stone was pretty good, and of course the classic “The Sociopath Next Door”, Martha Stout.
It is important to remember that The abusive behavior of malignant narcissists like Manson and Hubbard is not the result of their beliefs. They used faked “beliefs” to control others. The beliefs and religious rituals are just window dressing that is designed to sucker people in. Lots of malignant narcissists don’t use religious beliefs at all or are vehemently anti-religious.
That’s why I think it is a mistake to concentrate on specific beliefs. “… by their fruits shall ye know them”, Matthew 7:20, part of a larger section about false prophets Matthew 7:15-20.
Sure, there is excellent evidence in Vincent Bugliosi’s “Helter Skelter,” the Manson story. When arrested earlier in the 60s (before the Tate etc slayings), Manson gave as his chosen religion “scientology” on the prison intake form. He had an auditor in prison (Bugliosi names him; I forgot the name). Finally, Manson decided that he was “clear.”
Obviously, he also decided that he could make like Hubbard and start his own cult. Some say that he thought that scientology was “too crazy” for a man like him. Too crazy for CM? I’m sure that’s just a vicious rumor…
Manson used LSD and belladonna to change his followers’ viewpoint. Pretty similar i guess
It did not come to me until I watched the segment on the various “movie stars” that joined Scientology. At the same time, on TV, it was like a”Tom Cruise love in”. For 4 straight days you couldn’t find a channel that was not showing one of his shows(good or bad). If I did not know better I would think there were not Scientologist controlling scheduling. While Leah and Mike are focusing on Tom (and others) DM knew he had to do something to “put a shine on Tom’s star. This obviously shows DM is in full panic mode. It’s only a matter of time he is brought down. His biggest concern at this point is if he leaves or removed from power, what the hell will he do for an income. No one in their right mind would entertain hiring him unless he gets a ditch digging job just like he did with all those children made to do hard labor. It will only be a short while before we hear “TAPS”
Not to worry, lil davey will be fine! After all, Dear Leader and his inner group of very high-dollar wog lawyers have had almost a quarter century to arrange things so that they’re completely taken care of…and have done so in a perfectly legal manner.
When you’re in complete and total control of billions of dollars in assets, with no effective oversight from within or without, it’s just a matter of hiring competent legal counsel, then following their directions.
So easy, in fact, that even a $cientologist could do it 😉
Scott, DM has millions. He got some from the Reed Slatlin scam. See google.
I’m sure DM has money stashed away somewhere.
I’m sure everything seems like a conspiracy when you are only able to get your information from one source. It must be earth shattering when a Scion finally gets up the nerve to look at other sources of information. I hope Aftermath creates those cracks that lets the light in. That’s really all we need.
It is quite a moment when you truly recognise you’ve been had by Scientology – lots of emotions bang about in your head. I image everyone who has been in Scientology and gotten out has their own private moment when they saw the lights dim but eventually shone brightly with the truth. The treachery can take a bit of time to truly sink in. As humans I think we have a tendency to hang onto hope for as long as we can before throwing our belief in something in the trash.For me it didn’t happen all at once. The more I look the more I see the organisational mess Scientology creates & wallows in. It’s like a defective machine without an off switch. The above example of Mike’s report today is a prime example of how Scientology is “devolving” into sheer madness. They have more than scrapped through the bottom of the barrel. Little will surprise a seasoned ex-Scio but it’s still staggering none the less.
The crazy bit is, it never had to be that way. But it is…
It is tough to come to the conclusion that you’ve been had. But, you lick your wounds and realize you’re done & done with the cult. You also get your old life back! You can do whatever you want! There are others in the cult who are living miserable lives…chasing make believe.
Yes, agreed. Better to dredge up the self honesty at the base of one’s nature and admit that one has been a fool. There’s that (Jewish, I think?) expression: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”. Before he died I was well acquainted with an 87 year old wealthy businessman who among his other ventures had for years regularly played the market. He was one of Bernie Madoff’s victims; told me he had lost a lot of money. He trusted the guy. It happens to the best, the brightest. Trusting the wrong people. Happens.
I think it’s crackin!
What, the dam? Holy smoke! Which way do we run?
UPHILL! The way to run is as far up and away from where the water (or whatever) is going to rush past as you can. That’s no guarantee, ofcourse, but every foot gained improves your odds of survival. If you’ve read this far, you should have started your sprint some minutes ago.
Good luck!
I’m already on top of the world…
I just finished reading John Duignan’s “The Complex.” He describes this whole process in articulate detail: starting to have doubts, taking a peak on the internet, backing off in fear, then going back to look some more and finally having his eyes opened and realizing how much scientology has destroyed his life. I highly recommend this book. It was written some years ago, so may be overlooked, but remains totally relevant. Very well written, I might add.
It’s an exceptionally good book. And it does remain very relevant. I encourage everyone to read it.
I’ll read it, Bix.
Mike, Old Surfer Dude says CoS is now under 20,000 members worldwide. I sure hope so! Is there more info now about the projections that were most agreed upon: 20,000 – 50,000?
According to a source of Tony Ortega’s, the cult is now “less than 20,000”
And falling…
The pharmaceutical industry has done quite a few sketchy things over the years. But like you said, paying people to say bad things about scientology is not one of them.
STAAD: Scientologists Taking Action Against DECENCY
STAAD: Scientologists Taking Action Against DELIVERENCE……
I cannot stop laughing this is so funny! This person actually believes this hype. Priceless!
Love the Big Pharma connection…I just knew the evil psychs were behind ALL OF IT. Life in the bubble, just one long, pathetic, delusion.
And Mike, thanks for pointing out Duggan’s big pharma money in the coffers of the church…a significant conflict of interest for the ‘most ethical group on the planet’.
“…just one long, pathetic delusion.”
And the longer they dig in their heels, the harder it will be for them to face the truth. Wasted lives, wasted talent.
I was never Sea Org or staff, so I only wasted money. As I think McCarren pointed out a while back, having given of oneself, one’s effort, one’s time to a false cause is worse than having given money, and I agree.
What bothers me about the money I wasted on the IAS and on Ideal Orgs was that it went for NOTHING WORTHWHILE.
That’s why it bothers me. And, frankly, compared to what many people have given, what I poured down a rat hole was NOTHING.
Still, it could have fed a lot of people. It was enough to have made all the difference in some lives. That’s what bothers me.
Sorry…new to the site but have faithfully been watching these brave souls telling their stories each week. I am currently reading “Going Clear” and am at the beginning. I had gotten to chapter 8, but I had to start over to make sure that I’d heard all of the outrageous, unbelievable lies correctly…LRH was a bat shit crazy human being that believed and participated in all of these rituals that he states is “Perverted” in his teaching of Scientology. He did believe that his children and family were expendable…look at how many times he’s been married (his polygamy included), children and family that were tossed aside so that he could “enjoy” his life and pursuits. I wish that this book could be mass produced and given to the members of Scientology to just see if it would open their minds from being controlled.
BRAVO to these brave souls who are standing up for there friends, sisters and family members that can’t speak the “T”… who have been left to feel powerless by a ruthless dictator, his thugs, and his main most bestest bud, Tom.
Liv,
Conspiracy Update:
The simpleton establishment community doesn’t rise to the level of denialism since they are blindsided and hardwired to see what they think. They think what the flaky snowflake journalists forward from the deep state establishment. ‘Conspiracy’, or ‘human construct’, is up to you. For the most part they are allergic to homework and have diarrhea of the keyboard. Like scientology, they are stuck with an old playbook used for non-establishment Kennedy and Reagan. Muller is the only way to stay in the loop.
Your best antidote to the Starbuck knowitalls, with self appointed omniscient bluesaltwater ambiguity in glaring prose, is to laugh.
Either way, Miscavige’s indictment approaches.
“hardwired to see what they think”
Now that’s a comment worth taking note of! Explains many things about many beliefs, but especially Scientology, they excel in seeing only what they think.
Nicely stated 3’back.
Yep. Scientology is such a scary threat to Big Pharma because their most notable spokesperson, Tom Cruise, uses his celebrity to attack pharmaceuticals on a regular basis. Uh, wait… nope. Tome Cruise spoke up once or twice about postpartum depression and got his head slapped so roundly that he has since kept his mouth shut. Scientology, big threat.
“Think for yourself. Keep your own counsel. And get your information straight from the source”
Liv must have meant, “…get your information straight from Source,” meaning, directly from Elron himself. Otherwise, she’s very clearly alluding to the direct, first-hand sources that all those books, articles and documentaries were relying upon in order to create those works. Their accounts are either factually correct or they’re not. Everything starts with them; they are the actual sources upon which every bit of the media coverage that the cult objects to is based.
If the cult wishes to try and refute any of these very serious direct allegations of horrendous abuse and neglect which have been made by the many individuals who’ve come forward to tell their stories, then the cult should do so. If they can’t, then they need to STFU and slither back into the hole from which they’ve come.
“Think for yourself”. Except if you want to remain in good standing with the Church of Scientology.
Great tear-down of blithering nonsense. I wonder if Liv Watson must be a 2nd generation Scientologist (at least). Children who grow up on a diet of Scientology’s paranoia end up reflecting the worldview of their cloistered environment.
When I was 11 years old in 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed legislation creating the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Oh dear, let me tell you every Scientologist I knew was convinced the government was itching to manufacture an “emergency” which would allow FEMA to create 1984’s Big Brother in 1980. I remember one man announcing that “the drug companies” invented FEMA to force Americans to consume “mind-controlling drugs” after “the government manufactured the ‘emergency’”.
Yes, this Scientologist seriously averred that FEMA was a Big Pharma plot to mind-control America.
None of that happened, of course. FEMA has fulfilled its mission with varying degrees of success since its inception—more success than less, I would say. But no one today thinks that FEMA does anything less than coordinate the government’s response to the disasters that befall us from time to time. In fact, the complaint about FEMA is generally that the government doesn’t do enough quickly enough.
I was too young to understand much of what my elders were talking about back then, but the fear of FEMA was instilled in me. Then, in 1989 there was an enormous earthquake in San Francisco, the first natural disaster I paid attention to. I couldn’t help but notice that all the mentions of FEMA were positive, and there was no indication that FEMA was using the emergency as a pretext to take over San Francisco. Quite the opposite.
It was the first time I had proof that a conspiracy was false. It was the first time I wondered if any of the other conspiracies on which I had been raised might be false, too. The Illuminati, Big Pharma, the Psychs—all of it became susceptible to second thoughts. I wondered if there really were thetan-implanting stations on Venus and in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter (as I had learned in the Technical Dictionary (RIP)). It was the beginning of the end of my belief in Scientology. It was tragic that it required a deadly earthquake to make me question my beliefs, but I’m no longer worried about FEMA forcing me to take Lithium anymore.
As a final note, Ms. Watson’s declaration that “Americans consume a staggering 15.5 hours of media every day” is false. The true number (in 2016) was 10 hours, 39 minutes according to AdWeek (http://www.adweek.com/tv-video/us-adults-consume-entire-hour-more-media-day-they-did-just-last-year-172218/). Still disturbingly high, but at least its not every second that we’re not asleep. Scientologists never fact-check anything. They just make ridiculous claims that can usually be proven false by a Google search.
As an aside: I was in the San Francisco earthquake in ’89. Not a yellow shirt in site. Okay, maybe the VM hadn’t been created at that time. Still, the cherch was going on close to 40 years old and had accumulated considerable wealth, and no sign of volunteer work or charitable contributions anywhere – even for PR purposes. Obviously, the concept of charity was alien to $cion’s thinking, and anyway the SF Bay Area must have “pulled in” the earthquake.
FEMA is simply an emergency MANAGEMENT agency that COORDINATES all the various relief actions that can be going on at once in national emergency. Its really that simple. There can be many different activities involved in helping a disaster area – feeding people, bringing them clothing, blankets and other necessities, rescuing them, housing them somewhere because their homes have been destroyed, testing their homes for mold and other habitability, taking the wounded to hospitals – these things are done by different organizations and FEMA coordinates the activities so that they occur in proper sequence. Is this rocket science? When a complicated relief effort is underway, wouldn’t we want someone or some organization in charge of managing it, so that say, the food truck doesn’t arrive before the people are rescued from their rooftops? (Face palm) Well, it figures that Scientologists would have no clue and, empty headed as they are, willing vessels to be filled up with all kinds of mental garbage. Not only are they ignorant but the cult tells them how proud they should be of being ignorant.
It’s her smug, condescending tone of voice that gets me. I heard similar condescension in the voice of an evangelical man arguing about how science hasn’t proven the earth is older than 8,000 years.
The Evangelicals, those with whom I am personally acquainted, have everything all figured out, John Doe. Whatever the Bible says is true. If its not in the Bible, its not true. Don’t point out any obvious facts to them. Its unkind. It only confuses and upsets them. They like to keep things REAL simple.
Referring to the many different sources which have independently focused in on exposing cult crimes and abuses, Liv notes:
“If one suggested that these articles, documentaries and TV shows were fabricated, you might be reluctant to believe it. How could that even be possible? For these sources to be lies, there would have to be a far-reaching, systematic misinformation campaign permeating our media.”
Well, okay, but by that logic the obverse would also have to be true: If all of the first-hand accounts of cult crimes and abuses which have been featured in these articles, documentaries and TV shows were NOT fabricated lies, then there would be no need to create a vast “far-reaching, systematic misinformation campaign” conspiracy in order to get folks to believe them, would there?
But if the cherch is not even trying to refute these direct accounts to begin with, then of course folks who retain the ability to reason critically are not only going to be reluctant to believe in unfounded conspiracy theories, they’re also going to question the cult’s motives in using such spurious logic in the first place!
$cn’s lame retorts, spurious logic, ad hominem diatribes, etc. could be used as the basis for an entire syllabus in a semester-long intro course in logic and critical thinking!
Bottom line: You cannot reason with the unreasonable..
And you can’t fix what isn’t broken.
Teen, you can’t reason with the unreasoning. Being reasonable, as redefined by Elcon, doesn’t enter into it.
Well, now they’ve joined the rest of the nutballs out there who are anti-vaxxers and see chemtrail conspiracies behind every little cloud. There is definitely an audience for that – and I think there is a certain parallel between people who are attracted to that kind of Chicken Little logic and the kind of reasoning (or lack thereof) that cults inculcate in people.
The good news is let them blame Big Pharma! That is a Godzilla vs. King Kong fight I’d pay to see. Because those people have leagues of first-class lawyers. Try getting into a pissing contest with that industry and you will leak like a sieve before it’s all over. I really hope they step out of bounds with their crazy cocky claims and wake up that monster. Those billionaires could eat CoS for lunch and skip the toothpick! Talk about a group that could unmask the CoS profit machine of unscientific lies, bogus gospel and abusive crimes.
I’m sure the discovery in court would involve all sorts of unsavory things about both groups. But I’ll bet that Big Pharma could bankrupt CoS faster than you could say “LRH condones pedophilia – it’s right there in Dianetics”. After all, they spend billions on advertising, a smear campaign would be chump change for them. I would bet they could prove in court that CoS is nothing more than an illegal, human trafficking racketeering scheme disguised as a tax-exempt “religion” to profit one person while laundering millions through real estate.
Blame Big Pharma? What a genius idea! I’d hide behind their skirts any day.
James Stewart said a line in western movie once, “if you meet up with a grizzly bear high up on a thin mountain ledge, there just ain’t no avoiding the situation.”
If big Pharm or any giant corporate for that matter ever gets to feeling pissed off with Scientology, Jimmy was right as you are Cecy, and it’s goodbye Scioland.
In my twisted and warped evaluation of the world at large I remember seeing some kids in the school yard get mighty upset if someone had a nickel more than they did. Conspiracies are developed in the DNA of the common garden variety humanoid at a young age with an axe to grind about something. Thinking has nothing to do with it except to expedite a desired result. Scientology is a desired solution for some knuckleheads and nothing will change that short of a piece of 2×4.
A common feature in conspiracy theories, and in related “gang stalking” paranoia, is the involvement of an inflated sense of self-importance – that the self-imagined target, somehow merits that sort of attention and attack by powerful forces. The conspiracy theory ceases to seem plausible, when points like that are exposed.
If the psychs and big pharma were after Hubbard and Scientology, they’d have put the nail in the coffin in about 1951 when Hubbard first went bust, assets including the copyrights for Dianetics were up for grabs, and a thorough investigation might have lead to criminal charges against Hubbard for fraud and embezzlement. There are multiple points since at which a truly powerful and wealthy conspiratorial enemy could have made it virtually impossible for Hubbard and Scientology to operate except as an informal, underground organization – there would certainly, for instance, never have been the 1993 restoration of tax exempt status if it had been opposed by forces with influence in Washington.
That is true about the self-exaggerated sense of importance. It also helps to have an over-developed amydala it would appear. And creating an organization heavily based on endless process, specialized jargon, rules, ethics, crime and punishment has probably done a lot to aid the paranoia CoS has about “bigotry”. Not to mention at some level a guilty conscience for making excuses for all this abusive stuff. LRH, like every other flim-flam man was constantly worried about the long arm of the law. He wouldn’t have had to operate in international waters if he hadn’t been running away from stuff most of his life. I just wish Washington had been a bit less lazy in 1993 and taken it all the way. I realize they haven’t ticked off anyone really influential at this point, much less Big Industry, but there’s always hope. Especially since they are using the internet to openly defame others. In 1951, they weren’t big enough to worry about. But they sure have created quite the profitable racket since then. Who would have ever guessed?
You can be certain this mouth-piece actually believes everything she’s saying. She HAS to believe it or her whole construct will fall apart. What she says reflects perfectly the cognitive dissonance, denial, justification, distorted extrapolations and ultimately, “making self right” which are part and parcel of any brainwashing. It’s purpose-driven, which gives it its energy but unfortunately, this cult is as much a dead end as any other. It’s the same sort of logic which has some other cults overtly killing people in order to save them. It’s the very same A=A=A and “make wrong” thinking that scios are supposedly incapable of. So tragic…
She must be addicted to the Kool-Aid, just like the rest of the members are.
“For these sources to be lies, there would have to be a far-reaching, systematic misinformation campaign permeating our media.”
Yes, Valdimir Putin is going after $cientology. Only he can command enough fake news to bring this one off!!
Liv Watson just proves that you don’t have to be on ‘psych meds’ to be brain damaged.
🙂
Lol…..this was my reaction, as well. She needs to be medicated…
Thanks, Mike and Leah, for another heart-breaking episode. Although we get the show on our cable (Foxtel, here in Australia), it’s many weeks behind so I use the “torrent channel” to get each episode as soon as it becomes available, which is usually only a few hours behind the U.S. screening. This program is deeply absorbing and affecting, so much so that we (my wife and I) are often in tears by the end.
We’ve told everyone we know about Aftermath, and warned them about the dangers posed by this cult. Just in case any of them is approached on the street and invited for a free “personality”or “stress”test.
Keep up the good work. It really is appreciated.
“The BIGGEST single contributor to scientology’s coffers is Bob Duggan. His money comes from… wait for it… yes, it is true: BIG PHARMA. Maybe scientology is really who is being controlled and influenced by Big Pharma?”
Oops, there it is: That terrible moment when you’re forced to realize that your own faulty logic supports the exact opposite conclusion than the one that you were trying to lead your readers too!
Wouldn’t it be funny if all of a sudden, Big Pharma – not Bob Duggan’s company but Pfizer, Merck, SmithKline, whoever they are, all the Big Pharma heavyweights, did a turn around and said they wanted to begin contributing heavily to the Church of Scientology?
That would be so much fun. How would the cherch handle it?
Especially how would the church handle proffered money from the companies that make ECT equipment.! Oh, joy! Would the cherch spurn huge donations from SP companies whose Ideal Scene have as one of their purposes: “Huge numbers of new people needing Electro Convulsive Therapy”?
Barrel loads of fun I’m sure. Hey, I just got CS’d for ECT. Ritalin instead of niacin handles all past drug residue restimulation.
But surely a distillery and/or brewery will invest in Scientology too. Cover all the bases!
🙂 I like it. And add to the cult’s Big Donor Wales, the new legal marijuana industry, Ha ha! Can you imagine?
Hamsters on a wheel…
Money is power and washes away everything. It is the trump card In the deck of life according to those who wish to be king or be close to one.
I am a lifelong migraine patient. The drugs that abort those violent, vomiting, wish I would just die headaches have given me a life again. Sci is willfully and intentionally ignorant on the subject of pharmaceuticals for people who need and benefit from them.
God bless those in that despicable cult who have to suffer through this disease without medication. I can only imagine the nattering blather they are exposed to while enduring a migraine episode. To fellow migraine patients on this blog – hope you are pain free today and it’s better living through chemistry.
Hey, I hear you. If it wasn’t for medical drugs, chemicals and procedures I wouldn’t be typing right now.
Come to think of it Yawn, our bodies are nothing but chemicals and electricity. What the hell is COS whining about anyway ?
Good point, money I guess… they just can’t steal enough of the stuff.
The Thetan of LRH visited me last night. He said don’t worry about the entheta from Scientology: Aftermath and its sponsor Big Pharma. He’s now the “Supreme Roolah” of Target 2, so he figured he buzz on back to ‘ole Teegeeack and give mankind OT IX.
In brief, The main cognition of OT IX is that we’re all actually semi-aware BT’s clinging to a giant God-like Thetan! Who woulda thunk it? The ability gained is now we can each create our own universe and become gods. Oh, and free cable and unlimited phone plans ARE included as well. Being a god has its privileges!
DM – send me truckloads of cash now.
Free cable & unlimited phone plans? Really? Sign me up!
Please cease and desist in your transparently bogus attempts to get us to believe that you can channel Elron! Everyone knows that I’m the only official Elron channeler here.
Ever since he took note of the fact that my fiery, red-haired Guardian angel (demon?) was very similar to his, we’ve been in constant theta communication.
How do I know that I’m actually channeling Elron and not some other sneaky discarnate being? Well, let’s just say that it’s true for me because I’ve observed it…just like Elron said truth should be defined!
Truth should be defined? I suppose since you cannot differentiate between Tubby and the other thetans in Hell (I mean Target 2) based on their teeth.
Yeah, the free cable and phone was my idea. I said, “Ron, total spiritual freedom is all well and good. But to get the dogs to bite you need some juicy MEST bones!”
This reminds me of david miscavige during the Maiden Voyage Event some year way back when describing how it was Eli Lilly that was behind the bad press regarding the Lisa McPherson death. THE LOGIC IS BEYOND CRAZY but then if a member needs some justification for staying in or giving more money to this group, this will give them some more cognitive dissonance to hang their hat on and stay a while longer.
The members believe anything David Miscavige or the cherch tells them. I was one of them, once. It just never occurred to me that anyone would lie so outrageously. Live and learn.
Analogy: watching a building on fire, convincing yourself it’s not on fire and walking into it anyway. Ignorant.
“Are you going to believe your own eyes, or what I tell you?”
Been reading this a while, but never commented. I have news for Miss Liv: psychiatry and antidepressants (and prayer, too) saved my life after my brother committed suicide. And it was about this time that I read Dianetics. Dumbest book ever written. Thank God there was no scientology near me. God help the people still in. I would love to see a larger exodus. Thank you Mike, Leah and many others for exposing this cult.
Great job Mike! The STAAD article is full of generalizations and assumptions; Stating facts without credible sources. Rational and well-adjusted people are supposed to CITE specifics, including dates, and name individuals rather than generalizations. Which you did Mike, but not the STAAD author.
I am sure that these huge companies are not concerned about Scientology cutting into their profits – not enough to fund a whole TV show on A&E about the immoral practices of a fringe religion.
So very, very weak. Laughable. Who is the audience for this BS??!!
Scientologists. This is strictly for the membership to show how bad they’re kicking the SPs asses. Comical, right?
Right. It will be shown at Scientology events as evidence of how the cherch is holding the line against the planet’s SPs and how the Sheep’s dollars make it possible, and how an incredible job of this has been done by the cherch , but more is needed, and will that be cash, check or credit card?
I’m sure it is now a “course” on the bridge to read this shit daily…but, of course, gotta pay for it.
A whole bunch of lemmings.
I was a lemming once. And then I…….
What?
Had a session? Realised you were shit scared of cliffs, what?
I ran off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. I got pretty banged up. I’m just now getting back to the top of the cliff to do it again.
You sure you’re still not a Scientologist?
Yes! Thanks again Mike for pointing me in the direction of STAAD. As I said yesterday, they proved to be very funny. Again with the millions? I wonder who is counting and what they are counting? I assume they just make up a number like they do for everything else. Well at least the Russians are in the clear on this one 🙂
Well, Dan, as OSD pointed out a while back, to get an accurate membership stat for the cherch its only fair to count the Body Thetans..
Damn right you do! Do you know how pissed off thoes BTs gets? I used to train them, but, I got tired of BTs making fun of me.
I don’t fuck with ’em anymore either. Geezers, talk about sticky. Those fuckers just don’t know when to stop. Ever had a cat over 15 years old? Well, that’s what BT acts like, clings like glue, scratches you when displeased and purrs when you submit. We all have fleas but the Scientology insecticide is simply too warped not to mention expensive.
Better to scratch your own itch than listen to ‘experts’.
What’s for breakfast?
According to Forbes magazine Bob Duggan has,in his own words donated $ 360 million . The name of his company that he sold for $21 billion, even has the word ” pharma” in the name,
” Pharmayclics”.
What doctor prescribed psychotropic drugs to a baby (children under one year of age) and what pharmacist would fill that script
Someone who didn’t give a shit about the outcome?
Must be quite a few since there are “hundreds of thousands” of infants taking these drugs. Lol
I cringed at that ignorant statement Liv made.
Everything in the cult is cringe worthy. And laughable.
I cringed at the ignorance of just about every statement “Liv” made. Can anyone confirm that such a person exists and that she posted that drivel?
“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. I am the great and powerful
Wizard of Lies !” ( with apologies to the original movie )
I believe you, Mr. Wizard!
I laughed out loud so many times reading this article Mike (even though it is really sad! Thanks for brightening my day…..btw, Big Pharma saved me from a slow agonizing death……
I just wanted to add to that section about smoking…Isn’t there a “cool symbol” carved into the ground that you can see from space that is to show L.R.H. where to come to when he returns to Earth!? Craziness! Am I right about the cool cigs symbol?
—-KKelly
Big Pharma really came through for you, Eh=Eh. We can experience the next 30 years or more of our lives. 🙂
What chew talkin’ bout, Willis?
OSD, Eh=Eh is my hubby. Big Pharma cured his serious health condition, and many thanks to health insurance.
Old Surfer dude!
Sofosbuvir (Sovaldi) + Ribavirin + Interferon cures Type III Hep C.
I’ve just been enlightened!
O S Dude…..I watched some of you bands videos and enjoyed them!
My jaw agape, my mind frozen, the …. the…. comedy of the absurd. Please someone, send this lady enough tinfoil to wrap herself in; she is clearly suffering from radio frequency overload
Ha ha ha. Better call Saul.
I called Saul once. We got into a fire fight for 3 days. I didn’t realize he had an AR-15. I’m never calling him again.
Dude, how many times do I need to remind you must wear your tin foil SP repellent hat when confronting cray cray.
Wow Mike what a brain you have on you,why is it other sea org children have no education but you are brilliant tearing this shit apart, breaking it down and showing us amazing comparisons? I have a feeling you were in SCIENTOLOGY for so long to in the end game be able to help so many,your destiny and although painful you’ve grown in leaps and bounds becoming so recognizable to the world as someone who knows everything about the Cult and I think you’re to be commended, I know many will agree we can’t wait for the next email,or Aftermath or interview,thank you
Mike Rinder!
Shelly, I maybe wrong, but, I think his brain is inside his skull and not on it. But, hey, I’m certainly not the sharpest nife…… I mean knife, in the chandelier. So I could be wrong…
Well, at least you have a cutting wit.
I cut my wit once. Nobody paid any attention to me. I felt like such a loser.
Mine followed a pretty girl someplace and I aven’t seen it since.
Damn! That happens to me all the time!
Did you notice the people in the pic of protestors? They all look like paid actors, or at least the good looking of the sheeple who were culled to pose in the shot. There is no one near the actual age of most of the Scns, which, is OLD.
Excellent show last night Mike and Leah! Mimi somehow survived at a tender age with no help from anyone. What her mother did was child endangerment big time. I thought she was clever at the ways she somehow got through it.
And the other woman who was on the show was so brave to speak out too. Despite her mother’s cruel treatment of her, she was there for her when she was dying, and at other times too. She is a class act.
The show is hard to watch because it gets me so angry seeing how these kids were abused and how the mothers were brainwashed, brainwashed in some cases to the point of losing their minds and becoming mentally insane.
It breaks my heart that none of the adults that Mimi interacted with didn’t report her asshole of a mother to the police. Though Mimi was lucky/smart enough she found a way to make it through her abandonment, and God Bless the people who took her in and cared for her. The Scientology mindset of *the authorities are the enemy* could have led to a disastrous outcome. Any of the kids in the past couple of episodes were abandoned. It sickens me that none of the parents were reported to the police. Our system of caring for these children broke down in unspeakable ways. That they are here, they are healing speaks more to their mental strength. They are the warriors that should have never been. And their parents the inmates that never were.
Scientology asserts, denies, refutes…yada, yada, yada, ad nauseum. Every person who escapes is labeled a liar and accused of some evil reason/crime for them to have been kicked out of Scientology rather than leaving on their own. All these horrible, deceitful people are just bitter. Every single allegation is denied. Scientology has never done anything even remotely wrong. All of the claims are lies. The people are lying. The Show is lying and filled with criminals. Poor, poor Scientology. It is truly a conspiracy against such a caring, peaceful RELIGION. Scientology. So stoic. So put upon. And all it wants to do is clear the Planet for the good of mankind. Oh my Xenu I am SO sick of the rhetoric, the denials, the attacks on good, decent people who found the strength and courage, in spite of a horrendous mind f***ing, to pick themselves up and leave. Then not only begin finding themselves and healing, but coming forward to be voices for others. No other RELIGION I know spends so much time and money on attacking people. How is that anything but entheta or whatever the heck it’s called in the wacky world of Elron? Think for yourself? Yes please. That would be a nice change. Stop and ask yourselves why on Earth would all of these people decide to randomly pick on Scientology? Why would they make us such stories? The Hole? Why would anyone make that up? The assaults by Miscavige? Why? He is so wonderful! Why would anyone want to slander such an amazing guy? Think for yourself. Yes please. Ask yourself why, if you have all the answers, you cannot cure the sick or move objects with your mind. Why, if Elron’s word is law, are you waiting for more steps on the Bridge? Hubbard said it was complete in 1965. Think for yourself. Ask why you are Clearing the Planet in the first place. Why? What is the point? If Hubbard hasn’t come back NO one is coming back. Think for yourself. Scientology claims it cares for your spiritual health but blames YOU for anything that goes wrong. Scientology takes NO responsibility for anything whatsoever. If there is no responsibility on Scientology, if they do not make any claims that their technology will even work (see the Enrollment Agreement), if they distance themselves from even their own members by saying that any claims made by a member of Scientology is purely their own opinion (see Enrollment Agreement), if everything that goes wrong is YOUR fault and nothing but the money belongs to Scientology- WHAT IS THE POINT?
Sorry for the vent.
^^ this ^^
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What is this.>…< stuff? Greater than, lesser than… what? You stuck in the book of emeter drills or something? Go take a cold shower!
The word ‘that’ was supposed to be in the middle. Just another one of my screw ups…
Very cathartic to just read this… If I was in bubble and read this I would have a sleepless night.
Great vent.
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“Now the idea that there might be a funded, coordinated misinformation campaign about Scientology begins to look more and more realistic.” Mike’s response [Only if you have a single digit IQ…]
I can’t stop laughing! This group is pitiful. Still laughing!
Me too!
Oh Jesus. What a ridiculous conspiracy theory. And again, No proof or facts to back up the Church’s absurd claims. -Talk about a group that can keep churning out false information, the COS takes the cake. Thank you for sharing this Mike.
Diane,
Proof? Facts? Do you mean that?
Are you disaffected? Is something wrong, did something occur that would make you want to verify what you’ve just been told?
Sorry, but I’m going to have to write this up. For your own good. Because I like you and want you to do well and move on the Bridge. The EO will assist in getting things sorted out. Its possible you have a misunderstood word. I care about you and want you to get anything stopping you handled.
What’s that?
Oh, you’re welcome.
Aqua.
“Scientology is evil, its techniques evil, its practice a serious threat to the community, medically, morally and socially, and its adherents sadly deluded and often mentally ill.”
Justice Anderson. The Anderson Report
The logic jumps by this sycophant seem to go through unconnected mazes. It’s so difficult to follow. Love the editorial comments Mike, cracked me up. KAW! Keep Aftermath Workig
Mike – a bit off topic. I can’t get over last night’s story of the 13-year-old being kicked to the curb. Unreal :(. Thank you for presenting this. At least, children are no longer allowed in the Sea Org, is my impression.
That’s the least they could have done to her. No really, it’s the least they could do, because Scientology says so.
The mind boggles, Old Surfer Dude.
I boggled my mind once. Unfortunately it boggled back. Now I don’t know who I am.
There’s a song in there somewhere …
Do you look in the mirror and ask “who the HELL is that OLD GUY?”
Damn right I do! Old Guys Rule!
I do, but he looks back real mean like and then pulls a pistol on me! I run screaming from the bathroom!
Sissy!!!
Spike: the Cadet Org and Mace-Kingsley “ranches” have reportedly been closed, but kids can still be shoved into the SO by their parents or “guardians”, which amounts to the same insanity. Kids in the SO has been true from the beginning; See the stories of the first Messengers. Seems the old man liked being served by healthy young teen-aged ladies who enthusiastically were at his beck and call any hour of the day/night.
Jere, after my comment, I finished watching the rest of the episode and Leah states at the end that children are still being allowed into the SO, assuming their parents sign them in. Not good! Kids belong in school getting an education, and staying within the family unit until they’re old enough to start flying on their own.
This, in my opinion, shows the extent of the brainwashing that is the cult. She had no proof, no facts, to back up this rant just ignorance and lies. Pathetic.
And that’s exactly what it is, Anita: Brainwashing. That’s one thing they’re pretty good at. But, let’s all keep in mind that the cult is down to less than 20,000 members…WORLD WIDE!
Priceless Mike!!
Mike is priceless? I was going to bid on him, but, that’s way too expensive.