They’re pitching fiction books at Maiden Voyage.
What is the theory behind this? The “church” celebrating the “25th Anniversary” of the Freewinds is pitching merchandise that has NOTHING to do with scientology.
It makes three things clear:
1. They will ask for money for ANYTHING. Next year one of the MV 30th anniversary events (close enough) is going to be Dan Sherman doing a presentation on LRH gold panning days and there will be an “authentic replica” gold-diggers kit that everyone will be expected to buy to show how on source they are.
2. There is NO distinction made between scientology and fiction works — this is ASHO’s Bozorgi (where do they get these names?) making this pitch.
3. They continue to be intent on convincing the sheeple that everything LRH did in his life was wondrous and spectacular and IS part of the important facts that inform of the efficacy of scientology. This is part of the craziness that opens the door to those on the other side of the equation who point to this and then use the lies he told about his life to “prove” there is no value to anything his name is connected to. Scientology keeps pushing the line that he lead a miracle life of astonishing accomplishments and feats. It makes about as much sense to be pushing this as the Mormons pitching books written by Joseph Smith about farming or Moslems buying books written by Mohammed about being a merchant. It just makes no sense.
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014
From: Behnam Bozorgi <[email protected]>
Subject: The New Release
MV 3 is going to be this Saturday and I wanted to let you know that there is going to be a release of LRH fiction and it’s called the Hell Job series. In it you will “meet the men who will do anything, go anywhere, take any risk…and it’s all in a day’s work. LRH didn’t just write these stories. He LIVED them.”
The hardcover book features:
– An introduction from L Ron Hubbard to the Hell Job stories
– 15 tales of dangerous professions lived by Ron
– Illustrations from the original publications
– Over 380 definitions of period and genre-specific terms
The state-of-the-art audiobook features:
– Cinematic sound-design technology
– More than 4,000 sound effects
– Original music score
– “Golden Voice” award-winning narrators
– Accompanied by a full cast of Hollywood actors
– 15 CDs — 12 1/2 hours of pure entertainment
We’re asking all to get at least the book and audiobook for $75 total. Get your copies today! Simply reply to this email and fill the out the form below!
Quantity
_____ The Hell Job Series Book & Audio Drama package $75
_____ The L. Ron Hubbard Fiction Audiobook Collection: Includes
the Hell Job Series & 80 Stories from the Golden
Age $900
_____ The Hell Job Series Book $30
_____ The Hell Job Series Audio $50
_____ The Hell Job Series eBook Download $30
_____ The Hell Job Series Audio Download $50
Quantity
______ 5 The Hell Job Series Books $135
______ 10 The Hell Job Series Books $270
______ 25 The Hell Job Series Books $640
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______ 100 The Hell Job Series Books $2400
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“I was around auditing lines for years which I don’t think you guys were and I never heard of any problem like this. So stop trying to make out that “auditing” is dangerous based on about – I don’t know – 20 cases from about 10 million. Most people on this board and who have had auditing can see through the obvious alarmist statements you make.”
Excellent comment, Foolproof
Belated reply to Hei88008 and Alanzo: Yes of course there are some – and but very few relatively – cases where people have had mental trouble after so-called “auditing”. If we are looking at 60+ years there are always going to be some. Mostly these people I would hazard a good guess were what the Church called “illegal PCs” and probably should not have been allowed on lines as they had been messed up by other practices long before they encountered Scientology. And we must define what we mean by “auditing”.This would certainly not mean the type of “auditing” now being practiced in the squirrelly Church. Auditing mis-done especially at the higher levels can cause problems. But you guys (gal?) are making out that “all auditing is dangerous” because of a very few cases that a) probably should not have been given auditing in the first place and b) the “auditing” they received was squirrel, which cases are always proved time and time again. This does not excuse the squirreling but does present the facts of the situation better than what you are trying to do with your alarmist views based on some problem of yours that you seem to have personally with Scientology. I was around auditing lines for years which I don’t think you guys were and I never heard of any problem like this. So stop trying to make out that “auditing” is dangerous based on about – I don’t know – 20 cases from about 10 million. Most people on this board and who have had auditing can see through the obvious alarmist statements you make.
I don’t why you bother to try and explain sane think to the insane.
Auditing does not work eh?
Alarmist views eh, bit reasonable.
Merchants of Chaos is more fitting.
LRH wrote reams about the NCG’s and exactly why they are NCG.
You cannot run an engram if
a) You don’t have any, Ser-Fac
b) You don’t want to improve as nothing works anyway Apathy case
c)This will never work on me. PTS/Sp case
d) I could go on but you get my drift
See my other response to you. This falls into the same category.
I hate to break this news to you, but scientologists only THINK they have the answers to everything.
Alanzo, if you felt “a stabbing pain in your zorch”, it wasn’t me.
Perhaps the source was closer to thee.
But methinks that we can both agree with what Cinna said…
“Liberty, Freedom! Tyranny is dead!”
LOL! Excellent comment!
I was furiously scanning Shakespeare’s “Julius Ceasar” for witty comebacks to top this one, but I can’t.
Your post rhymed, and was even written in something close to iambic pentameter.
Once again, Espiritu rises above…
Alanzo (:>
Ken, I had the exact same experience simply from reading the Suppressed Person Rundown bulletin with all the processes in it. I, too, had someone with whom I was out of comm in mind as I was reading it and a couple of days later when this person reached in a friendly way my jaw dropped. I’d say it works too. 🙂
Maybe there’s something to that idea that 50% of case gain comes from training. 🙂
But….you are all missing the point. There are 2000 sound effects in this here production. 2000!
Most of the 2000 are subliminal cash register sounds
So not only are they finding “Lost Tech” every few years they now have a range of “Lost Books”.
Will it never end?
Perhaps DM will be the “Finder of lost LRH”… 😉
It’s finally time – he is way overdue!
AND it would give DM a possibility to withdraw and save his face…
Let’s see… 😉 🙂
Just 2 cents
“This is part of the craziness that opens the door to those on the other side of the equation who point to this and then use the lies he told about his life to “prove” there is no value to anything his name is connected to. ”
Well stated, Mike. It is a matter of evaluating importances and these guys don’t seem to be able to evaluate importances any better than those who seek to “prove” that LRH had nothing of value to offer to anyone. They “believe” in Scientology. They “believe” in LRH. They do not actually observe. They are no different than people who try to get others to hate the subject. They are “believers”. In my opinion, this inability could be handled by doing the Student hat course honestly, especially the tape entitled “Evaluation of Importances”.
LRH’s lies = LRH’s Tech = DMSMH = Battlefield Earth = (the movie, Battlefield Earth) = the precepts of The Way to Happiness = the information in Tech Volumes = RJ67 = the GO = The Mission Earth Series = ,,,,,,,,
Ah!
E tu, Espiritu???
Alanzo (:>
Espiritu, excellent comment! Rock on.
Hell job series? Oh HELL NO!
Bozorgi is a Persian (Iranian) last name and means “the big/grand one”
Verse 2.
There may come a time when you can’t play High Roller
But Status is a Guy’s Best Friend.
There may come a time when the gold in your molar
Is just all you’ve got
So hell why not
Just let teeth rot!
I’m your Guy
When Flows are High
But Beware when they start
To Descend,
‘Cause that’s when my Footsole
Connects with your Piehole,
Status is a Guy’s Best Friend!
Even back when I was a Card Carrying SCN Cool-Aid Drinker, I thought most of LRH’s fiction works were mediocre at best. Some of them just plain sucked.
I loved Battlefield Earth. It was decent science fiction and a good all around read. Not one of the greats of the genre perhaps, but for my personal consumption, I always enjoyed it and was one I have re-read many times over the years.
Mission Earth serious was pretty good, in my opinion, but only when I was in a certain mood.
Most of his other fiction, I found pretty much unreadable. I remember one abortion of a book called Ai Perdito or something like that. It had been a radio play or something LRH wrote way back when and the Church had Kevin J Anderson (who I met in person once; he was a perfect pig of a man who was unbelievably rude) do a novelization of the thing. OMG it was pure crap.
No doubt KR’s yet sit in my dead-filed Ethics Folders for my refusal to contribute to Library Buying campaigns for LRH”s fiction works. Every time a staff member at Flag or my Org tried to pressure me to buy LRH fiction works for whatever reason, I politely told them to Fuck Off. The first time I made the mistake of telling them point black I wouldn’t contribute to the promotion of BAD FICTION. Ha Ha Ha….but after the fireworks of the first encounter on the subject, I learned to be more circumspect in my refusal.
Oh, and you know what? Leather-binding that crap don’t make it one iota better.
Moonshot,
I agree with you. Battlefield Earth was a good read. Mission Earth already contained this kind of ‘dumb hero’
stuff. Ai Pedrito co-written with Kevin Anderson…I tried but felt so disgusted I threw this book in the garbage.
There was another one co-written with someone from the ‘Writers of the Future’ authors, that was equally dumb..
On the other hand the very early fiction, like ‘Old Doc Methusala’, ‘The Fifth Dimension’ and some others were truly witty and fun to read.
Reply to Leonore 2.29 pm (there was no reply button):
If you have ever listened to the ‘Welcome to the Sea Org’ tapes, LRH talks about a type of Sailor that has a very fat ethics file. He always gets into trouble, has to be gotten out of jail when the ship is ready to leave, gets into brawls and other troubles you name it, but when it matters you can completely count on him and he’ll do a great job! DM obviously does not like such staff! They have a life and that is against the DM regime.
Greta
Greta –
“There was another one co-written with someone from the ‘Writers of the Future’ authors, that was equally dumb..” Dave Wolverton, A Very Strange Trip. Rachel
Greta — I too have read that this was LRH’s MO in choosing people and saw this in action numerous times. Over the years I looked out for this trait and noted that it wasn’t just his notion, others have shared his perspective as well. But many of the ‘characters’ he loved, seemed to excel during periods of conflict and high confront – as in someone shooting at them.
They were dependable because they had a high survival instinct, they got moving fast and furious in no time flat. And in the process they had a predictably high body count along the way. The ‘characters’ made for great comrades in arms and in similar situations, but administratively, within the confines of a Church, they wreaked havoc at almost every turn.
They were also great characters for his Pulp stories of the 1930s, tough brawny types that waded into one disaster after another without fear or reflection. Fantastic people — just NOT in an Org.
In my opinion Scientology needed the more cerebral type, with a predilection towards compassion and insight and not constant motion and instant results. But then, SCN was never simply a religion. It was a Chimera – religion, business, military and MLM.
As an old administrator who tried very hard to get policy in and the Orgs doing well financially, I had more firefights and battles with these types than anyone else. I admit it – the constant in-fighting, the constant demand for higher and higher stats, the gradual but continuous decline of the importance of taking care of one’s staff – burned me out. Lots to tell about that time – but another day.
Just my thoughts on the “Ideal Sailor” or SO Member.
Odd
OK, here you go, MJ, this is for you.
“Status Is A Girl’s Best Friend”, with apologies to Jule Styne & Leo Robin. To be performed by DM in Marilyn drag.
Intro:
My staff all say they’d die for Me
They’re fighting all My duels,
But I prefer a Clam who lives
To pawn off – all her – jewels.
________________________
An Auditor Cert may be quite beneficial
But Status is a girl’s best friend!
A Cert isn’t dirt
But its just not official – ly
The way to go –
So Do that Flow
And Be My Ho!
I grow cold
When I am told
You’re refusing
To borrow or lend!
So Dig Deep
And Give Big
At your Org’s next Shindig!
Status is a Girl’s Best Friend!
______________________
Thanks Aquamarine – very nice! I can hear it as a follow-up to ‘Material Girl’ by Madonna.
You’ve inspired me, MJ.
“DM in Marilyn drag”.. LOL!
“This Hell Jobs book sounds like a repackaging of an LRH Fiction book … “Lives You Wished to Live but Never Dared”.
Bingo. That’s exactly what I thought immediately upon reading the promo. I think it was “Lives you wished to lead…” but same book. It was a collection of short stories about dangerous professions, like logger, steeplejack, stuff like that. At that time, nobody said they were lives *Ron* lead, though. When the hell did Ron ever do any logging, steeplejacking, or building bridges across flooded rivers with no bottom?
I’m totally betting this is the same book (but maybe with the semicolons removed, to please Miscavige and show those SP transcribers who’s boss).
The book itself was actually a pleasant, light read. LRH told a lot of stories, and was pretty good at it 😉 It looks like he wrote these when “manly man” stories were very popular.
But I’m LMAO that they’re promoting this as something like “Lives Ron Lead But You Never Dared”
Last — I’m surprised they are selling all 15 stories in one book for $75. There are 15 short stories that could have been published individually and sold one at a time for $75 each! They didn’t think of that?? COB totally goofed the floof! A sure sign that He must be awfully distracted.
I like how the line, “We’re asking all to get at least the book and audiobook for $75 total,” just reeks of desperation. “Please, please, please, please AT LEAST buy these two overly priced, glorified comic book quality items (or we are to face the wrath! My boss told me these books sell themselves, but they don’t! Please deliver us!).”
Mike,
“They continue to be intent on convincing the sheeple that everything LRH did in his life was wondrous and spectacular and IS part of the important facts that inform of the efficacy of scientology”.
That statement and what Tony Ortega posted today about Hubbard and his Snow White ops, brought up something that I wanted to ask you to write about for a long time.
I really think that Snow White is the incident that created the current conditions for Scientology, including the emergence of the sociopathic goblin from Hemet.
Once Hubbard crossed that Rubicon, the fate was cast for everybody involved with Scientology and a lot innocent people paid the price for that piece of insanity.
A lot of Scientologists don’t seem to realize that while they were experiencing a rosy, wonderful time with auditing, unaware of anything. Hubbard was planting the seeds of destruction of Scientology by engaging in such an insane undertakings.
A thorough exposure and analysis will go a long way to dispel the obsessive adoration of Hubbard. Including that of Independent Scientologists.
And who would be more qualified to write about Snow White than the people that were there and know what really was going on, like Karen, Marty and you.
Thanks
Even those of us in Snow White only knew our piece of the puzzle. It was a “need to know basis” of the highest level. Those who were caught were only a few of those who were doing it. I think reconstructing Snow White would be hard if not impossible because a lot of the people in it either would not talk or are dead, including MSH.
I too would be grateful to know more about “snow white”
“15 tales of dangerous professions lived by Ron” …… yeah, with those old pre-electric typewriters, there was always the risk that Ron’s pinky might get caught between a couple of keys ….
Among mainstream sci-fi fans, the common wisdom is that “Fear” and “Typewriter in the Sky” are the only two really good pieces of LRH fiction. I’ve read “Fear” and I’ll admit it’s good. It reads kind of like Philip K Dick’s _Ubik_, only in a more pompous writing style (sorry LRH fans!)
Just get any 10 IAS reg’s from all around the world into a room and you’ll have the greatest gold diggers kit every assembled.
This crew will find gold and wealth in places never dreamed of.
The IAS Regges get a 10% (overts of) commission return which is far more than gold prospectors I think.The whole scene now is like an Amway Club where they are all stinging each other for commissions and I think I am being unfair to Amway saying that! If LRH had a grave he would be turning in it.
Yes, get the IAS into a room and they’ll start digging out each other’s gold fillings.
Wait til they find transcription errors in those audiobooks and ask everyone to buy new copies of them.
zing!
Mixing Secular vs Non Secular, The Church of Spiritual Technology, CST, the beneficiary of Author Services, (ASI) daily extortion of $$$$ continues inexorably. ASI hangslike a vulture extorting money ferociously from Bridge Publications.
Bridge extorts Book store monies and enforces re-fills to Book Stores with an iron fist. This is daily routine.
The Royalties for an author dead for 28+ years is priority over live Sea org members who often receive a pittance, terrible food, no toilet paper and sleep deprivation, no days off, no annual leave etc etc etc.
Greedily using *CHURCH* mailing lists for ASI for profit business, they continue to push SCI FI at the public who thought they were joining a Church.
I started my series to expose ASI.. This is Part One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Objim2gIlbY
If their Fiction books are business and they are sending money to the Church… doesn’t that mean the church is doing Business? Business for profit? Doesn’t that invalidate their church status?
Maybe they can take one of these good tales and make another blockbuster movie. A sequel to Battlefield earth. Starring John Travolta, Tom Cruise, and Bart Simpson.
As if anyone would want to join up with some religion or even to find out anything about it simply because the founder of that religion has written fiction that one enjoys. Specious, much? God, the mind boggles.
Books, books, books. Scientology for a Cult is obsessed with books that don’t sell, books that don’t sell so are repackaged to again not sell, books that are about nothing, books with glossy covers, books with LRH plastered everywhere.
In fact, the first & only time I walked into a Dianetics storefront was in San Francisco (or portland?) and the tiny little place was FILLED with books but they were all the same book, displayed in as many ways as it is possible to show the same book and make it look somewhat normal. As soon as the Scion inside realized that I was from a neighboring cult they were warned against, I was kicked out of the ‘bookstore’.
You’re RIGHT! Books books books… the same ones in different languages. And fancy, leather bindings. You’re right.
Gold Diggers Kit ?
Yah, It’s called a shovel.
In a fair and just world, Hubbard’s pulp work would be in public domain right now. But a group of Scientologists, ASI, are there to renew the copyright…which hasn’t come close to expiring yet due to the efforts of another Scientologist, Sonny Bono. Thus demonstrating that this isn’t a fair or just world.
Sonny Bono was a Scientologist?!! Was he OT? I mean, an OT is NOT supposed to run into a tree doing and bonk himself out of his body on a nice downhill ski run.
Zana said — an OT is NOT supposed to run into a tree doing and bonk himself out of his body on a nice downhill ski run.”
Why not?
Odd
We all know the theory espoused that lies at the bottom of the Church hawking LRH fiction: “first get LRH introduced and known as a writer of fiction, then once people like him as an author, they will be interested in Dianetics and Scientology because of their interest in LRH.” But somehow I don’t think that works much these days, if it ever did.
I remember this happening in the early 1980s, while Hubbard was still alive. As a teenage SF fan, I once got a postcard urging me to join a “Battlefield Earth fan club”, despite the fact that I never purchased a copy of said book or even considered doing so (this was shortly after the book’s release). It wasn’t until after I got into protesting in 2008 that I remembered this postcard and realized that this was a recruiting tool.
Plus la change and all that…
+1
I tried to read some of his fiction when I was first in, being an inveterate read of sci-fi at the time. Couldn’t finish any of them and barely read into them at all. Dreadful writing and all pretty much 1930s style fiction.
Yes. I agree. Dreadful writing. I just thought there was something I was missing… because I’m not particularly a SciFi fan. So I thought there was something I didn’t get. Maybe something in Pulp Fiction that was not my cup of tea. Actually, in my humble opinion, it was just bad, hack writing. Thanks for your opinion as well.
Hmm —
I read about ten of his older novels — especially loved ‘Fear’ and ‘Final Blackout.’ Also read E.E. Doc Smith, Azimov, Heinlein, and many others. I consider him to be in that league. Let’s face it, not every author is on in every book. I read a couple of Heinlein’s last few novels and they gave me a headache, couldn’t follow them. Didn’t enjoy Battlefield Earth (BF) either. Wouldn’t dare though to call any of these excellent authors hacks. One last thought, most of LRH’s early fiction was written before WW II — a lot by 1940. There was an almost 40 year absence before he dived into BF, so if a lot of his stuff has a 1930s feel to it – that’s about right.
Odd
There are two high crimes in this group you can commit as a public: speaking your mind and withholding money.
As staff, you can also commit the high crime of being successful on post.
Ain’t that the truth, Dollar Morgue.
I would HATE to be successful on any post in Scientology… because that would never be enough. The next Thursday I would have to go club some more seals just to keep my stats going up. Or lie and cheat and do some bad behavior…. or even (gasp!)… lie! There IS no success in Co$. Just a treadmill that keeps going faster and faster until it spins you off.
Sounds like one those reality shows…The Deadliest Catch, et al.
If things get too tight, management could simply declare the planet “CLEARED” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Job done, thanks for the $$$, everybody go home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Though that might not be destructive enough for Co$.
What happened to auditing PCs and training students? The product of an Org is not LRH science fiction books even if they were pretty good and if these are to be sold via the Org then to new public surely as a PR gesture not to the old “marks” who purchase anything willy-nilly – seemingly.
And does LRH’s family descendants get royalties from this? Nah! Of Course not! Silly question.
Foolproof asked:
What happened to auditing PCs and training students?
That is revealing itself to be a huge legal liability because not only does Scientology auditing and training NOT make people saner, it can cause them to have mental breakdowns.
Dave has finally woken up to this source of downstats and is standardly applying the ethics conditions to his Int GI stat – just as LRH did.
After the downstats of the FDA raids in the 1960’s LRH stopped selling Scientology by saying it cured diseases like leukemia and arthritis. After the downstats from Julie Titchbourne, Larry Wollershiem, Lisa McPherson, Jeremy Perkins, Kyle Brennan (and others we have never heard about) Dave has finally come to see the that applying the tech is so risky legally that it just is not worth it any more from a financial standpoint.
But getting Scientologists to pay for new buildings – well there is very little legal liability in that.
So that is the source of his upstats these days.
Why else would he not be pushing Super Power? He knows that these rundowns are just dozens of lawsuits waiting to happen. But donations to buildings? He’s on sound legal ground there.
What do you think?
Alanzo
Which Scientologists have had mental breakdowns from auditing? Never heard of this Alanzo. Or are you making something up again? The rest of what you say is ok but you always have to inject a little dig at the tech for some reason and hope people will nod their heads and say “yes, that Alanzo has spotted the outpoints”. But they won’t – and they don’t.
To the list of people getting a nervous breakdown from auditing, you can add John Duignan, described in his book “The Complex.” (John had his breakdown early, and carried on after his recovery) There’s also Nancy Many – her breakdown opens her book “My Billion Year Contract.”
Hi Foolproof,,
you are in a position, that NOT everyone is in.
Let’s not try to judge why that may be the case – simply be glad. 🙂
Be sure, you have missed NOTHING there.
But let be asked:
Really NONE of your Scientology friends EVER let you in on such an instance,
when a fellow Scientologist has had a mental breakdown after auditing?
NEVER EVER?
Then please let be asked, what of the following would YOU consider to be
a “valid” mental breakdown, when someone would have told you, that they
have PERSONALLY witnessed/experienced it?
Would YOU believe that person? WOULD YOU?
* A fresh SCN-ist committing suicide after some basic auditing?
* A SCN-ist going PTS Type III after having been in session at an AO.
* The Lisa McPhearson incident.
* Doing “baby-watch” on a new FLAG L’s completion and big donour.
* Doing “baby-watches” for “out-2D/PR reasons” in Los Angeles?
* Loosing a longterm friend through suicide, while being on the OT levels.
* Being let in by an OT that this person he is so f*#king freaked out and afraid,
of being USED AGAIN as a “guinea pig” for OTIX and OTX!
* A SCN-ist being locked-up and physically detained from leaving.
* A SCN-ist being chocked and beaten, WHILE ON the Introspection
Rundown and the auditor standing close by, but afraid of the staff doing it.
* Another OT V going PTS Type III with all the consequences.
[What have PTS Type III and OT III in common? Yes you are right – the “III” !
[Someone familiar with OT III, most certainly has a better understanding of what
[happens when someone “goes Type III”.
[It get’s explained where those “voices”, “ideas” and overwhelms come from…. ]
So Foolproof, this is just a little list – and the question is:
WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT, WHEN SOMEONE TOLD YOU ABOUT IT,
WHO HAS PERSONALLY WITNESSED/EXPERIENCED IT?
WOULD YOU?
Well…Thank you.
But then what would you need the names for?
Do you want to help them?
How?
IF YOU WOULD RATHER LIKE NOT TO BELIEVE IT –
well, that is your right as well, and thank you for reading this post.
But then names aren’t necessary at all, as it wouldn’t proove anyting to you.
Have a good day.
PS: Start reading here – just a couple of comments higher up…
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/step-right-up/#comment-54698
Foolproof, surely you jest! (I’m not jesting & stop calling me Shirley!) Auditing??? Training students??? Man, that’s soooo last century. Now it’s all about statuses! Now that’t important! Going Clear??? Going OT??? Old hat…
Actually the guy Bozorgi from ASHO who wrote the Email should be given a Dev-T Chit for not doing his post. Even if he was the BSO there. What he is selling is not Scientology! Oh! What the hell – they are all bloody fools there now.
PCs, students, new public?? What’s that? Aside from the statistical fringe, there are none. Hence the squeeze on those too stupid, terrified or mesmerized to quit. Any potential “new public” would have to be so desperate and screwed up looking there for salvation they probably wouldn’t be capable of surviving the credit check, much less the sec check.
Bozorgi is an Iranian or Pakistani name I think. Probably a Persian cat.
I don’t know about Mormons but I do know Islam. Emulating the Prophet in everything, from how he ate, his sleeping position to his posture during prayer and the clothes he wore is HIGHLY recommended and is seen as an avenue to getting closer to Allah. It is called the Sunnah. The more pious or fundamentalist Muslim you are the more of the Sunnah you consciously adopt. Fundamentalist doesn’t equal terrorist or an advocate of violence but, among other things, it does lock you into a fixed and rigid worldview of us and “the other.” The other to a degree also includes Muslims not as pious as you, the equivalent of dilettantes in scientologesse.
To a degree, I do see this type of adulation of Hubbard in Scientology. An empty mansion set aside for his return (messianic anyone?), empty office in every org, his picture everywhere in the org. Hubbard quotes to address any area of life. Hagiographic, to put it kindly, biography. His works are being engraved in steel and locked in nuclear proof titanium vaults underground for christ sake! All of it lends to a mystical, larger than life air that is the perfect foundation for a cult of personality and making anything he touched sacred or at least exceptional.
My point is, if Muhammed wrote poetry, fiction or a manual for conducting business you bet your ass it would be considered sacred.
There is a real danger of becoming psychologically crippled from this sort of hero worship and blind following. When I decided to stop practicing altogether there was a long period where I didn’t know what to do with myself in everyday tasks. An example, I would take a shower and literally not know what to do bc for years I rotely followed the prescribed steps to take in the shower. When I finally decided enough is enough and I wasn’t going to do that anymore I had to come up with own routine. It was very disorienting but also extremely liberating. I still consider myself Muslim but I don’t practice it. Kind of like your xmas and easter Christians 🙂
“Radical” Church of Scientology members, as you call it Mike, as I see it are similarly crippled. They blindly follow and have become utterly dependant on command intention, thus losing or burying deeply a part of themselves in the process. When Hubbard set himself up as Source he provided the foundation for this rigid but brittle mind set.
Great post, flyonthewall.
““Radical” Church of Scientology members, as you call it Mike, as I see it are similarly crippled. They blindly follow and have become utterly dependant on command intention, thus losing or burying deeply a part of themselves in the process. When Hubbard set himself up as Source he provided the foundation for this rigid but brittle mind set.”
Beautiful. This is the prison of belief.
I do not think Hubbard would have had it any other way, or else he would have dismantled himself as Source once he saw what it was leading to in Scientologists.
Here’s why:
What is an outpoint to a Scientologist is not necessarily an outpoint to Hubbard or to Miscavige. Per Scientology logic, pluspoints are to be strengthened, and outpoints are to be eliminated.
Did Hubbard strengthen himself as Source, or eliminate himself as Source as time went on and these effects became more and more apparent in Scientologists?
Alanzo
Alanzo
Hubbard use to give credit or at least acknowledge the influences of others like Freud on his work. Later editions of Dianetics had these acknowledgments removed. Far as I know he never gave any credit to Mayo or anyone else for their help in developing the tech. Mike can correct me but I understand Mayo was instrumental in developing the L’s in particular. There’s no way he did anything except strengthen himself as Source and he seems to have only gotten more abusive and cruel as time went on. Can you imagine telling someone in an early Dianetics group about the RPF? They would have thought you were out of your mind!
“What is an outpoint to a Scientologist is not necessarily an outpoint to Hubbard or to Miscavige.” – I think Nibs said it best when he said that Scientology works as intended, not as stated. – http://tonyortega.org/2014/05/10/jamie-dewolf-ive-found-the-last-memoir-of-the-son-of-scientologys-founder/
flyonthewall,
Benham is an Iranian/Persian first name as well, I believe. Your commentary on the parallels between absolutist beliefs of those who are deeply steeped in fundamentalist Islam – practicing the Sunnah as you mention – and the blind-mind-set of today’s scientologists is well taken.
The fact so many in the inner circle would accept David Miscavige’s establishment of “The Hole” and the trickle-down abuse of staff members and public that has apparently included imprisonment and beatings and restriction of basic rights as described by Jefferson Hawkins and others – all tolerated in a nation founded on notions of civil rights, freedom of speech, religion, assembly, rule of law, etc. – all this suggests to me that many of today’s Scn church staff (especially the inner circle) and members have the same level of totalitarian mind set as the fundamentalist/jihadist movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behnam
Leonore
Fundamentalists are fundamentally blind, regardless of creed or politics. This trait also makes them easily manipulated by leaders with ill intentions. Groups that demand that level of blind devotion are dangerous to society at large and to the members themselves. Hubbard wanted followers with a “fixed, dedicated glare”, well he got them, in spades.
By tolerating and being willfully ignorant of the abuse the remaining Scientologists just prove the depths of their fundamentalism and commitment to the lie that is the church of scientology. How else do you explain the steady stream of idiotic lunacy coming from CoS we witness on a daily basis here?
Thanks for those insights Flyonthewall.
I dreamed tonight DM announced “Auditors Day” will be replaced by “Donor Day”.
I must have read too many Church of Fundraising promo pieces on this blog.
🙂
Greta
This Hell Jobs book sounds like a repackaging of an LRH Fiction book that was being pedaled in the early 80’s with a title something like “Lives You Wished to Live but Never Dared”.
They have been pitching LRH fiction products at MV for years with their ASI nights.
What seems to be new is the Church staff sending out off-hat, off-purpose emails to followup on fiction releases. It seems like every church staff member is sending out emails hawking things that have basically zero to do with their actual posts. On the other hand most staff don’t seem to be doing any actual posts these days, instead they just sell whatever stuff they are told to sell.
OMG. This really is crazy. And he says,“…meet the men who will do anything, go anywhere, take any risk…and it’s all in a day’s work. LRH didn’t just write these stories. He LIVED them.” No he didn’t…. he made it all up and then pretended he did it and got everyone to believe he was a war hero, etc.
Thank you, Mike, for making all these distinctions for us. Yes, I found so much good in what I got from Scientology that part of my fascination with the craziness being revealed is to try to get my balance between the truth and the lies. Why I was attracted to it and why I am repulsed by it. And part of the repulsion is this crazy repeating of non-truths and expounding on them so loudly that the little seed of truth becomes lost in all the dirt and fertilizer. It’s great to be watching from ringside with two great ringleaders (announcers)… you and Tony O.
Zana ….. how DARE you further the enemy line that Ron had not been a Lone Ranger type with six shooters in his holsters or that he had not a roving spaceman righting the wrongs of the universe! You have a lot of NERVE is all I’ve got to say!
Well, I have my Annie Oakley outfit with my 2 cap guns loaded. I can handle it!! “It ain’t so much a question of not known’ what ta do… I knowed what’s right ‘n’ wrong since I been ten!” (That’s from the stage play, Annie Oakley. See? I even know my lines. 🙂
PS:
It might be a question of belief, but if there wasn’t some possible truth to it, then the “Suppressed Person Rundown” probably wouldn’t/couldn’t work as promoted.
Anyone there, who had the experience of doing that rundown, but ANOTHER person having been effected through that auditing?
Just curious – no invalidation/evaluation or joking here.
hei88008, I’ve never audited the Suppressed Person Rundown, but I did read through all the questions and their obvious handlings out of curiosity and because I was having trouble with a person who I cared about immensely, and just like the EP says they called up on the phone, with no prompting whatsoever, to see if I was doing OK.
Before this there had been a don’t talk to me agreement.
It works if you ask me.
Ken, thank you for sharing your experience.
Be assured, you are NOT the only one, who actually has got the EP.
It worked as designed. 🙂
Wow they have ebooks and downloads almost like 10 years ago. $900 is kind of expensive for an audio book collection. I got the Lord of the Rings Trilogy for less than $100.
Is IAS reg included in the ‘hell job’ series? Perhaps Sea Org RPF supervisor will be included. Who are these ‘full cast of Hollywood actors’ that are mentioned. Do they get credit on the cds or just ‘ethics protection’?
When will the belly button lint of Lron start selling? There must tons of that stuff in vaults. When ever you have a question about COS, remember it’s all about the money.
Wow! The cult have morphed into the “Church of Fictionology.” It’s all ‘make believe’ now. Just like when we were kids. Remember when we make things up when we were playing? We’d pretend to be pirates or Superman, etc. It truly was fun! AND, no one ordered us to pay money for the privileged. Hey, maybe I got it wrong! Maybe the Cult had morphed into the “Church of the Bizarre.” Either way, these folks are from another planet…
It has always been fiction. At least those parts of the “applied philosophy” he did not outright steal from others. Those might have been fiction too, but written by others.
Actually googling “Benham Bozorgi” gives me 700 search results including FB- en LinkedIn-pages. 🙂
Hey, let’s get them into libraries the world over! This will totally safepoint LRH and drive public into the Ideal Morgues en masse. This will surely be the tipping point for planetary clearing for real. I mean really, this is it folks!
Yo Behnam,
How many languages are these available in?
When will you have them in all languages?
Oh yeah, great idea Coop!
Our library only has 3 Scientology books.
I wonder what the Co$ did with all of the sets you and Sheri had donated…
Greta
They did a similar event a few years back where they were selling LRH Fiction books. It was one of the things that caused me to seriously question the intent of the church since : A) it clearly had nothing to do with Scientology B) was held on a course night – in other words course was cancelled for that night so we could listen to a sales pitch on non – Scientology materials, (keep in mind as a student you were looked at as being out ethics for missing course for any reason).C) A friend of mine did purchase what they were selling that night which was a recurring charge for a book every Month or so. He asked to have it stopped after a couple of Months and they would not stop charging his credit card despite repeated phone calls and promises that they would. D) by that time you were made to fill in a survey after every event before you could leave. The survey of course was filled with leading questions such as “What did you like the most about this event?” etc
I hope these upcoming events make it apparent to those still in that the intent of the church is not what they are claiming. It’s a conflict of interest at the very least.
I somehow was made CO Flag Training Org, in 1983 and held that position for a month and a half. This was 1983. I was talking to David Ziff, then Staff C/S, and the CMO CW at that time told me Ziff was out-ethics, and I had to confront Ziff, but it was a no situation. His “out ethics” since he was living off his huge inheritance and not suffering like a real Sea Org member! Sheesh.
David Ziff told me that back at Saint Hill, when he got his inheritance, he asked LRH should he donate it to Scientology. LRH said no. LRH said David should keep his inheritance because David might need it later! when he gets older!
I believe this story. David Ziff told this story to plenty of people.
Those LRH stories like Ziff’s can act like a service fac against regs, but regs like ASI’s Frannie Harris would accept Ziff’s story.
When it comes time to limit regs, all those anecdotes get tallied, and taken to the legal letter, to figure out who can be regged and who cannot!
Other Sea Org staff who didn’t have the David Ziff LRH advice get out of forever being regged card, gave chunks of their inheritances to this or that reg of some unit. Others gave 40 Gs of their inheritances to become Patrons.
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Flag, should have an estate sale.
Just sell it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There you go! Let ’em all quit!
Selling them a new pitch, “Try Real Life!! It’s , the new product that all Scientologists have been missing! It’s widely available! Try Real Life today!! Outside every org and mission! It’s out there, waiting for you!”
Dear Chuck,
you are sort of making it laughable… BUT THERE IS a quote/reference, that basically says:
LIFE IS THERE TO BE LIVED! IT’S FUN, IT BLEEDS, IT HURTS ETC. ETC.
So YOU are right! But nowadays one would presumable only be shown the “…IT BLEEDS, IT HURTS…”-part.
Have a good day and enjoy. 🙂
Mike wrote:
This is part of the craziness that opens the door to those on the other side of the equation who point to this and then use the lies he told about his life to “prove” there is no value to anything his name is connected to.
This isn’t actually what “those on the other side of the equation” are trying to prove.
A genuine spiritual leader does not lie to his followers. And when L Ron Hubbard writes about “Clean Hands, Happy Life”, and creates all the tech he created about how vital it is for their spiritual eternities for Scientologists to be honest, and yet he himself lied so continually, and so deeply about so many subjects – this is important information to confront in evaluating L Ron Hubbard as a spiritual teacher.
For instance: Knowing how much Hubbard lied, should you sign a billion year contract to work for him for free?
Knowing how much Hubbard lied, should you re-mortgage your home and max out your credit cards to buy his “Bridge to Total Freedom?”
Knowing how much L Ron Hubbard lied in the development of Scientology – exactly how far should you go with it?
This is what those on the other side of the equation are using Hubbard’s lies to try to prove: Should you buy a used car from this man? Let alone turn over your mind and life to be deeply invaded by sec checking and processes he said were designed to free you, but which have been factually used to blackmail you, and to “ruin you utterly”.
No one ever said that there is no value to anything his name is connected to. That is a straw man argument you are using, Mike.
You should address the argument above if you want to question the value of showing how much L Ron Hubbard lied to Scientologists.
Alanzo
Alanzo:
“A genuine spiritual leader does not lie to his followers. And when L Ron Hubbard writes about “Clean Hands, Happy Life”, and creates all the tech he created about how vital it is for their spiritual eternities for Scientologists to be honest, and yet he himself lied so continually, and so deeply about so many subjects – this is important information to confront in evaluating L Ron Hubbard as a spiritual teacher.”
Black Dianetics experiments run on me and the drugs given to me on purpose while I was in Scientology (and I’m not the only one this happened to) as part of LRH’s “research” are the reasons I wholly agree with that statement. We were ordered to keep that a secret for our entire lives and now, more than 35 years later, it is starting to ooze out. That’s how powerful a lie he perpetrated on his followers.
He may have wanted to discover a “cure”, he may have wanted to mess with peoples’ minds. I don’t know. I just know he fucked me up good and the main thing Scientology and Sea Org taught me was how to lie glibly. It took a long time to learn how to act like a human being after being associated with “the most ethical group on the planet.”
I am not a naysayer. I have learned from experience that when a person lies about who they are, it may not be a good idea to have them teach you the subject they claim to know. I am not doubting that some people got “releases” or “wins” from the practice of Scientology. I get releases and wins almost every day from the practice of good and helping.
I personally found it wiser to throw the baby out with the bath when it came to Scientology because there were so many lies mixed with the truth and LRH liberally “borrowed” others’ ideas and claimed them as his own, that it made more sense to find my own way than to blindly follow the path a liar had created.
If others choose to practice what LRH deemed “standard tech”, more power to them. I also would not criticize a Muslim, Mormon or Catholic who chose to practice their religion, unless they attempted to force their religion on me. My religion is “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Sometimes I break my single commandment, so I have no right to judge others.
Valerie
Dear Valerie,
THANK YOU.
I have fully duplicated and understood your message.
Have a good time. 🙂
PS: Would you be willing to share more of your experiences?
Dear Valerie,
Yes, please do share!
I don’t know if it makes you feel any better, but his OWN SON? NIbs says his dad did the same thing to him..
The man knew no limits, certainly not anything anyone in our lesser, degraded (sarcasm) ‘wog’ world would recognize as morality.
Out here we continue not lying to people, not inventing our entire lives out of whole cloth, not driving our children to suicide or letting our wives do hard time for us and then never talking to them again. Most of us never drug our children (and apparently others) and perform experiments on them and then blackmail them into silence. We don’t keep out own child in a cage after kidnapping her, or deny the existence of our second wives (whilst admitting to the first and third!) We know the van Allen belt is not balmy (though certain cult leaders are) and that there are no freight trains on Venus.
I could go on, but it is a sad, degraded life… and I actually have stuff to attend to on Teegeeack…
Um… Touché…? I think….
Alanzo… And I say this with greatest of respect… But who made you leader and spokes hole for ‘those on the other side’…?
Mike’s point is valid.
And so is yours.
Mike presented his in a fair way so as to present what is possible and has on occasion occurred. And he didn’t speak for anyone but himself thus making it easy to agree to or not.
Your reply starts with the statement that ‘this isn’t what those on the other side…’
Which is a real shame because what you write afterwards is brilliant.
But did you contact the 100,000 odd ex-scientologists and critics who are ‘on the other side’ before writing your comment?
You have written some brilliant stuff over the years Alanzo… And I am truly greatly for your taking the time to present your findings… Truly… But I would humbly suggest you present them as your opinion.
I would argue that you’ll get a lot more ears and eyes digesting what you have to say if you do.
And what you have to say is, I believe, important enough to not have anyone turned off because you present your opinion as a fact that is true for thousands of people, which just isn’t true.
Sorry, cris.
You are not the first person to point out that I should write “in my opinion” more often, and it is a thoroughly valid criticism of my writing style.
Again, sorry for appearing to speak for you and for anyone else whose opinions I do not write (Which is everyone else but me).
Alanzo
I see your point, Alanzo. In my opinion, the two sides of the equation are the KSW zombies who plug their ears against any criticism of Hubbard or the tech, and the other ratpack who have elected Hubbard and the tech as their personal enemies to be fought all the way. Both sides are being lazy. There’s no excuse for anyone who refuses to think for themselves.
We humanoids seem have an irrational need for a leader or hero. Someone who has 100% virtues and 0% vices, who is always right. I’d hazard a guess that this is an externalised self-image. Our adored leaders are icons of who we like to think we really are. Maybe they’re our service facsimiles personified.
Then when we discover our heroes have faults, we often do a U-turn and treat them as enemies.
The individuals who made big contributions to human knowledge were, without exception, imperfect. They were superstitious, or immoral in their private lives, or haunted by self-doubt, or they sucked up to tyrannical rulers, or they neglected their families… or all these faults at once. Do we reject their contributions on this account?
L. Ron Hubbard told lies. Big deal – so do I.
Dear David, Very nicely written. +1 Thank you. 🙂
Given the tons of available data about Hubbard and the development of Dianetics and Scientology, I think it´s lazy to conclude that his lies warrant a ¨big deal¨ response. Instead, I personally believe that the man¨s operating basis was based on the belief ¨All men are my slaves¨ The wrecked lives, the abortions, the suicides, the murders, the bankruptcies, the broken families, the expensive fairy tales encapsulated in the ¨state of clear¨ and the ¨ot levels validate Hubbard´s evil intentions and his desire to ¨smash¨ his name into history.
David Cook wrote:
“The individuals who made big contributions to human knowledge were, without exception, imperfect. They were superstitious, or immoral in their private lives, or haunted by self-doubt, or they sucked up to tyrannical rulers, or they neglected their families… or all these faults at once. Do we reject their contributions on this account? L. Ron Hubbard told lies. Big deal – so do I.”
The difference with Hubbard is that he asserted that he had figured out what was wrong with humanity (including the folks you blandly assert above that were immoral etc.) and that he had developed “solutions” that would solve those very issues.
In virtually any Fortune 1000 corporation in America, if an executive is found out to have falsified their education / degrees, militarily record, past work experience etc., they are fired. In some cases they are prosecuted afterward. Hubbard would have been fired in any of those corporations when his false CV was discovered. In Scientology Hubbard is revered, even though he is a documented liar who presented a false CV.
Hubbard lied about his past accomplishment and CV in order to gain the confidence of others so he could sell them “solutions” he claimed he had. Many of those people would not have listened to Hubbard’s sales pitch if he had not told those lies and presented a false CV. That is fraudulent inducement and it is both illegal and actionable.
The outcome of Hubbard’s fraud is now playing out in the unraveling of Scientology.
Scientology is not unraveling because Miscavige is a big bad meany. It is unraveling because the solutions Hubbard sold do not work as advertised and thousands of folks are no longer afraid to say so.
“In my opinion, the two sides of the equation are the KSW zombies who plug their ears against any criticism of Hubbard or the tech, and the other ratpack who have elected Hubbard and the tech as their personal enemies to be fought all the way. Both sides are being lazy. There’s no excuse for anyone who refuses to think for themselves.”
Bingo, David Cook. Well said.
In reply to Alanzo and others:
the subject of ‘white’ Dianetics and Scientology is so intertwined and mixed up with ‘black’ Dianetics and Scientology, that it takes a very thorough study of the whole subject to see which is which. I don’t know of anybody who has done this. Maybe Marty Rathbun?
I think for someone who is not sufficiently educated in esoterics, psychology, (eastern) philosophy, it is saver not to touch the subject at all to be save. Better to be save than being sorry.
I recall having read a text of Hubbard on how to indoctrinate people by mixing some real wisdom in the ‘scriptures’; enough wisdom to attract them and keep them in and in the end to ‘get’ them totally.
(I paraphrased this, because I could not find the original text. Somebody knows?)
You are absolutely right, it has nothing to do with delivering services or anything else.
This made me wonder what is the ‘commission’ the so called Leader will receive from the ‘hard sell’ of these books? I am sure this purpose has something to do with this marketing.
Church? Which church? The business of scam is more appropriate.
Or how about his 60 dollar shipping fee for a CD and a book to Europe! They must assume the Scilons are so hypnotized they can’t see how much Amazon (or any other remotely moral company) charges for shipping.
Mike, your posts never fail to make me feel relieved that I’m not getting these emails asking for money … even after 25+ years of being out! It was hard enough coming up with money to pay for services … the fundraising and unnecessary merchandise and book sales would have driven me over the edge. Until I started reading what’s being sent out now, I hadn’t realized how wise I was to leave when I did. Thanks!!
I used to sell those LRH “properties” and of course, the money would go to ASI… We would reg ALL week long for ASI. Our GI would crash and we would be sent to HCO for investigation 🙂 because our GI would be done. The Command Intention line would be “Get that quota met and make sure your own stat are up”.
We would reg people for hundreds of copies to make the quota rapidly and getting back on our own stat. SO members would say “OK, there are not choices. We must make that quota or go to Ethics”.
ASI staff would be all around the orgs making sure the SO was making it.
It was a nightmare and we would be sooooo glad the MV events were over…
I am re-reading “Barefaced Messiah” right now just to refresh my memory on how little of the life LRH purported to have lived he actually lived. It amazes me that his entire life history was woven out of whole cloth. Russell Miller backs up his research so meticulously that I am again and again flabbergasted at how much people take at face value that simply is not true. He did best at fabricating fictions. It is only fitting that they sell the fictions he fabricated.
I hear ya Valerie, reading Barefaced, LRH’s life reads like The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
Not quite, StatP, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty was a really fun read…and was made into a major motion picture by a major Hollywood studio, with major stars. I’m afraid the Hollywood majors never had *any* interest in The Secret Life of L. Ron Hubbard.
It’s a shame no one is interested in making a movie about it.
His actual life is way more interesting than the lie promoted by the Co$. Meeting Parsons in a black magic group and stealing his girlfriend, kidnapping his own daughter and trying to have his second wife (which he never had) committed to an insane asylum, shelling the coast of Mexico, founding a celebrity cult and getting millions of dollars out of it… In the right hands, it would make one hell of a good movie.
“It is only fitting that they sell the fictions he fabricated”
Indeed.
Hubbard was many things but what he did for the majority of his life was tell stories. And like anyone doing anything for years on end he became rather good at it.
Mike’s point of building the ‘legitimacy’ of Scientology on the sands of Hubbard’s made up past is valid. But I agree that when you take a few steps back selling Hubbard’s ‘stuff’ is no different than selling his ‘other stuff’. Certainly not from Dave’s point of view anyway.
Bare Faced Messiah is an absolute must read for anyone trying to come to terms with their part in the Scientology story or simply wanting to know how on earth scientology came to be at all.
I would argue that learning the truth about Hubbard’s early life (birth to adulthood) will help greatly in putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
Thank goodness ‘The Most Ethical People On The Planet’ kept it from being published in America for decades and continue to persecute its author.
Seems to me some folks around here know quite a bit about that. Anyone?
Isn’t “Hell Job” the SeaOrg??
That’s the SHIT JOB series.
Cooper, you finally made me laugh. Nice shot!
Don’t forget to include cleaning the bilges and cleaning the swamp of feces out. I wonder if LRH did that job too or did he save the best for the RPF?
Hell Job: Hanging out in a 95 degree NYC subway station asking people if they want to take a personality test.
Yeh, I’ve seen that too. It’s almost too pathetic for words.
I can’t wait till Sherman gets to the “Ron the Black Magician” period in the biography. Are they going to sell magic kits? Surely it will be popular at the new Children’s Org.
“They will ask for money for ANYTHING” I think you nailed it Mike.
In fact, I will as far as to say that anyone who gets declared nowadays is because they somehow pose a threat to their ability to collect MONEY.
Disagree with Ideal Orgs and Fundraising? Not making IAS Status a priority in your life? Not only will they NOT get money from you, but your thoughts and views may infect others, thereby interrupting the flow of CASH.
And, of course, any SP Declare I’ve read has to include “stopping others from going up the Bridge”, to convince others you are truly evil. But, in reality, this could amount to selling another Scnist a car, using MONEY that COULD have gone into the church’s coffers.
They really are quite obsessed with the subject. Virtually anything that emanates from the church walls has some type of money spin on it, whether overt or covert.
StatPush
Perfect….nuff said!