Another “out of the mouths of babes” admission from the highest levels of the crumbling scientology empire.
They have been trying to get 10,000 “onto or through” Solo NOTs since it was released 35 years ago.
Realize, this is a CUMULATIVE number. Everyone who has ever finished is counted. Along with everyone who is now “on the level”… And that certainly includes all those who have been declared or “blown off” the level without completing it. Really this is a measure of “all time number of people who STARTED OT VII regardless of what happened to them subsequently.”
This year’s target is not even to reach 10,000. It’s just to add another 1,000 and move “closer”.
One thing Clive says IS true. “The stats speak for themselves.”
They shout “Liar, liar, your pants are on fire.”
We have been tracking the pronouncements from Clive for years. If I went back and extracted ALL the hype statements about “highest ever” and “fastest ever” and “monumentally epic bigliness” it would curdle the milk of even the most contented cow.
I just don’t have the time and energy to do so, but I grabbed one earlier blog entry (“Straight Up and Vertical — Not“), from January 2014. Here is the first part of that blog post:
For about 30 years now the FSO has been pushing an arbitrary target of “10,000 onto or through OT VII” as the solution to “handling the planet.”
It comes from a twisted interpretation of this quote from a 1952 lecture: “…at any one time on earth there were not more than about 10,000 people of a caliber that was sufficient to do a little steering or leading…”
Clive Rabey, the point man for the FSO on this matter, explained it in Source Mag like this:
“It was a mathematical equation, all extrapolated out. From the real physical universe effects this would create in terms of case gain and resultant third dynamic activity, including mid-New OT VIIs and New OT VII’s joining staff, it was estimated this absolutely would achieve the goal of bringing about the release of OT IX and X. But not only that, it was estimated that 10,000 on or through New OT VII would be able to do a lot of steering or leading on Planet Earth as LRH said.”
In another Source Mag from 2005 they announce there are “over 3000” on or through Solo NOT’s (incidentally, this mag prominently features Captain FSO Debbie Cook and a half page photo of Laura Ann Wilson).
Now Edy Lundeen has sent out a new email giving some cold, hard facts about life inside the bubble.
I am ignoring the fact that I can guarantee they are still counting people as “On or through” Solo NOTs who have long since abandoned auditing in the church. I will just take their figures as if they are true.
1. The grand total ON or THROUGH Solo NOTs right now is 6410. That is over a 30 year span. Less than 250 people per year.
2. Since 2005 the number has increased from 3000+ to 6410 — 8 or 9 years which have been the biggest boom time in Scientology history according to the pronouncements of Dear Leader. That is 3-400 per year. At this rate the next 3500 will take until 2022. By 2022 the population of earth will have increased by more than a billion people. It has increased by 2 billion in the last 30 years. If they were even to keep the ratio correct — 10,000 out of a world population of 2.5 billion in 1952, it would require 28,000 for a world population of 7 billion today. It was 4.5 billion in 1980 which would have required 18,000 to keep the ratio correct. So, in fact, over the 30 years the number required has INCREASED by 10,000 while they have made 6400 so they are going backwards….
3. There were 400 OT VII completions in 2013 – a “screaming” highest ever. This is one in every 17,500,000 people on earth. This is having absolutely NO impact on anything.
4. If there truly are 11 million Scientologists in the world, then it means that ONE in TWENTY TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED make it to OT VII and that is “screaming affluence.”
5. I am quite sure there were more people DECLARED in 2013 than completed OT VII.
You will no doubt notice they no longer give the actual NUMBER — I think they get tired of me announcing how many they now had and comparing it to the earlier number they announced. 6410 ever for the entire world is not impressive for the fastest growing religion on earth with 47x expansion and 10x more since GOAT II blah blah blah…
So, now they’re more opaque.
It made me wonder what Clive and company think is going to happen if they ever reach this magical number?
I have a feeling they might never announce it — imagine all the people who have been hearing this hype about “steering the planet” for decades if they suddenly they HAD now supposedly accomplished this feat — “how come nothing is different”? But then again, these are the same people who have bought the idea that permanent peace and prosperity has been bestowed upon the nation of Venezuela through the distribution of the WTH — by three separate IAS Freedom Medal Winners. Just proves you can sell literally anything to scientologists if it’s announced at an event.
One thing is for sure. The fact that they cannot even one close to reaching 10,000 cumulative starts on the only level that really matters in scientology is the best evidence that this no force to be reckoned with. There have been 60,000 psychiatric certifications just in the US since they started certification — this requires 8+ years beyond a Bachelor’s degree. There are 100,000+ psychologists just in the US which is 5+ years. Best guess this is 5% of the world total. So, no scientology is NOT winning the war of ideas and taking over the planet. Not even against the psychs….
I’m training for my Grammar Police Hat (level 1! I passed level 0 with flying colors!)(only 14 more levels to go!) which I’m sure you all know is sooo much more difficult due to auto correct and the public’s general distaste for being corrected.
But I noted, in Mr. Rabey’s letter the following:
‘The Flag World Tour presents every element of Flag, Flag-only Rundowns, and the most aesthetic description of Solo NOTs you could want for a selectee.’
aes·thet·ic
esˈTHedik/Submit
adjective
1.
concerned with beauty or the appreciation of beauty.
“the pictures give great aesthetic pleasure”
noun
1.
a set of principles underlying and guiding the work of a particular artist or artistic movement.
“the Cubist aesthetic”
Basically, he’s claiming they are going to enthrall the selectees by painting beautiful word pictures, which glamorize the subject and are not strictly realistic.
Secondly, the #10KLA campaign appears to be a naked grab at stat padding by luring unsuspecting Sooners fans into retweeting without reading the message.
Oh, THAT event… the one the old die-hard Flavour-Aid guzzler Ed Bryan suggested as a fun Saturday night activity. Whoopeee, that sounds like a real hoot, Ed!
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No matter how or what point of view you will try to have, theres a scientology mindset since day one.
Its always a REG CYCLE begging for more money, more people in higher levels means more money
Good works well publicized is PR, so they build the works to have something that will be used as a PR
I have noticed that when a Ideal Org is comming and next to open, the right thing to do is to focus in individuals of that area by giving awards and so on like IAS Freedom Medals.
After that, is easy to hard reg in that particular area, all the kool aid drinkers, staff relatives, local and remote whales, friends and ethics particles ended up beliving that all the fake and mastered list of lies in the field goods works now publicized deserves an ideal org.
Wow that awesome things are happening in my area, lets stop doing Q&A and flow money no matter what, blinded and controlled.
Otherwise, how could you explain so many medal winners in locations like, Venezuela, Colombia, Japan, Taiwan and Russia or maybe that other in Times Square easily regged after the Tom Cruise action with the NYC Fire Department?
This quote from the letter: “…the most aesthetic description of Solo NOTs you could want for a selectee”
Does that mean: “We will sell them so hard on Solo NOTs you’ll get that FSM commission, you just need to get that body routed to this event!!!”
Have my years of Scn watching paid off and I can decode some of this BS now?
Lies, lies, you’re tellin’ me that you’ll be true
Lies, lies
That’s all I ever get from you
Tears, tears
I shed a million dollars for you
Tears, tears
And now you’re auditing someone new
Someday I’m gonna be bankrupt
But I don’t know when just now
Lies, lies
A-breakin’ my heart
You think that you’re such a smart ass
And I’ll believe what you say
But who do you think you are DM
To lead me on this way hey
Lies, lies
I can’t believe a word you say
Lies, lies
Are gonna make you richer someday
Some day you’re gonna be in prison
But you won’t find anyone sad
Lies, lies
A-breakin’ my family connection
Someday I’m gonna be broke
But I don’t know when just now
Lies, lies
A-breakin’ my bank account
You think that you’re such a smart ass
And I’ll believe what you say
But who…
Again, a propaganda effort that’s speaking out of both sides of its mouth: So in areas where OTs have been made, crime has dropped and all is flourishing and prospering. If that WERE so, no part on Earth should be more positively impacted than LA, the cult’s Ground Zero.
Then why is he going on to proclaim that LA REALLY NEEDS this kind of positive development? (Recent violent crime statistics show that he’s got that part right). How come that all the OT bigliness (I just had to use that one) has produced NO positive change; if anything LA’s been getting worse. Danny Masterson alone is a one-man crime wave!
LRH made an art of lying, he practiced it early and often. So it’s no surprise to see lies coming from the people he successfully molded to act as his surrogates.
The ‘tech’, such as it is, was always a scam to make money for, and to feed the ego of, the sociopathic narcissist Lawrence R. Hubbard. Through an unkind coincidence, Hubbard was followed by an ill-educated acolyte with similar traits of sociopathy and narcissism, so today the game is the same.
What is surprising is how many people continue to accept the writings of LRH as some form of gospel, despite seeing the hurts his directives have caused to so many people for so many years.
Almost as surprising is that many ‘outies’ still publicly claim there is much good in the ‘tech’, apparently never accepting that there never was any real loscience, thus never any real tech. It was all made up, no different from the second-rate pulp science fiction he wrote – heavy on the fiction, thin on the science. It was just lies, plagiarism, and a decades-long scam to allow LRH a lifestyle full of bowing sycophants and closets full of expensive gadgets.
“Where we have a lot of OT’s, we see plummeting crime rates”
That just makes me think everyone else would rather move than live in a neighborhood infested with Scientology.
Scientology, where their presence guarantees less people and less life. Such a toxic brand.
“Where we have a lot of OT’s we see plummeting crime rates”.
“The Berlin Wall came down when OT8 was released.”
…I think I’ll take, “Elvis Sightings In Memphis Walmarts”, Alex!
In 1987, I lived in Miami and audited on OT VII at Flag. The push was to get 10,000. They had a map with little pins in it. It was about 500 dots in number. Later I worked for Cathy Roberts the I/C of Solo Nots. I called about 100 Solo people. Most hardly audited at all.
I completed OT VII and moved onto the Freewinds for OT VIII. It hit me that Scientology was in reality a Sixth Grade subject. I left the religion. In 1958 I was in a Catholic School in Massachusetts. Our teacher, Sister Polycarpa, actually explained Hubbard, the OT levels, and Scientology to us without knowing him or any of the trademarked names.
It was very simple. She explained the role of Lucifer, the anti-Christ and Satan. This is where Hubbard found his home. She also explained exorcism and the OT states possible to degraded demonic spirits. She taught us a form of exorcism far superior to Hubbard’s BT’s, Xenu and thetans. She was unaware of Xenu but simply used the story of Noah and his Ark, a universal symbol. She explained why the demonic route had been used throughout history and how it always failed. So Hubbard was at the Sixth Grade level and stuck at that.
The role of “Lucifer”????? The angel who was cast into hell for rebelling against god??? What does this absurd myth have to do with anything that is actually SUBSTANTIAL on planet Earth? (Though I certainly recognize the great power over peoples’ minds that these fairy tales/stories have had over the millenia, as it has been proven that human beings will believe almost ANYTHING – some people even believe the Cleveland Browns will have a winning record some day).
But as you’ve mentioned “lucifer” about fifty times here over the months, I presume you attach some reality to the existence of a story that frankly makes less sense than the Xenu stuff. You can certainly believe anything you want to, but a continual PR effort on your part to degrade the entire subject of Scientology as childish with these fairly ridiculous religious allusions actually makes it MORE difficult to have serious discussions about which parts of Scientology may offer truth and which parts offer lies and manipulation.
Of course if you REALLY do believe in the Book of Genesis as making more sense than OT3 … well, at least I know where you’re coming from.
Thanks for the in-depth reply.
Yes, I do believe in God, Lucifer, Satan and spirits, devas and devils etc.. Hubbard thought that they were all a myth and he simply defined himself in the role of Lucifer. I have been explaining all of that for the last ten years. But one can notice the contradiction in Hubbard as easy as pie.
Hubbard was claiming spiritual life as a thetan and claiming that the greatest spirits of all time were myth. In my opinion, this resulted from his backwards interpretation of reality. I noticed the contradictions in Hubbard while doing OT VIII. Pardon me if I express my frustration with Hubbard. The repetition is a way of getting out the anger. I also do believe the Xenu story but not as Hubbard defined it. There are certain universal urges represented by Xenu but called by many names. You might think that this viewpoint is strange but it is from the occult which Hubbard practiced. My problem with Hubbard now is that he was an inferior occultist at best. He defined himself with pretended intelligence. I only assume myself to be practical.
I accept the Bible with a limited viewpoint. My practice in Buddhism no longer includes any references to past lives whatsoever.
I also now very rarely discuss the good and bad of Scientology. I think that Marty’s blog covered all of that and I am past it. Personally, I now feel and understand the damage from Hubbard more than ever. Hubbard had the mental and spiritual capacity of a Sixth Grader. Too bad I had to see it only on OT VIII.
Give it a rest people!
Oh yeah, I remember Solo NOTS…
Scientologists who stay the course despite the evidence, deserve Solo NOTS.
Their rapidly declining numbers and increased bs just goes to show people aren’t as gullible to insanity or under threat by the world at large as Scientology would like you to believe. Scientology is simply a problem posing as a solution. Kind of like make up used to cover up a really bad zit!
somewhat off topic…..How does Miscavige explain his own refusal to go in session – to get through VII and VIII when he speaks to Tom Cruise?
If Tom really is a Medal of Valor caliber scio, shouldn’t he be wearing his FSM hat and asking his buddy DM about his bridge progress?
We know that as scios this is something we talk about with each other, there may be a billion taboos, but this one is an OK thing to talk about, and it’s always a topic that comes up….
“where are you on the bridge?” “what course are you on?” “have you finished …….?” “when are you getting onto VII?”
these are all valid questions. One thing ANY scio has NO trouble with is telling other people what they should be doing and how they should be doing it. Every scio has the duty and right to help others get up the bridge.
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I heard on a vid recently – Shelton or one of Aaron’s, – about how DM is supposedly in the middle of and off of VII and has been so for many years, and that he has refused to go in and get any auditing as “no one is good enough”
Years ago I saw that Cruise was listed as having comped OT VI, which then meant he was on VII. I’ve never seen anything about him comping that or doing VIII. (outpoint)
Do they have a mutual out-ruds sit going on? No auditor on the planet is good enough for either of them? (hand wringing, ‘oh where is that magic man rathbun when you need him?’)
If Tom is as trained as he brags, he should have listened to the “Individuation” tape, wherein LRH talks about how execs have to go in session regularly (weekly?) to get off their O/Ws, because they WILL commit them while trying to save the planet, and we need to keep them cleaned up so that they don’t start targeting good hats, I think the line is something like, “kill his juniors” … It was all very caring towards the exec, keep him clean and winning as we need them.
If scientology works then of course we want each other to actually DO it and USE it. This is what real KSW looks like….
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So if DM isn’t thru VII … and doesn’t go in session… how does he explain this to Cruise?
any explanation is just DM admitting he can’t get any standard teck happening anywhere on the planet, which means Tom shouldn’t go in either!
Just random shower thoughts.
🙂
Most big time & successful heroin or nasty type drug dealers never use their own product, like Generals never fight in the trenches either. Don’t over think Miscavige and his motives, Cruise either. Shower thoughts are generally good, but those ones need cleaning.
it’s my thought that Cruise is a true believer, thus it’s a valid ponder. I think this is a plausible conversation topic betwixt the two. It’s interesting to me.
I have my doubts as to whether DM is a believer at all, but he gets all his glory and power from his position – whereas for Cruise it’s merely the fairy tale propping up his ever-after dreams and the power is secondary. He would still have status and position were he to come to his senses.
Yeah, whatever takes your fancy and interest, have fun with it. I really don’t think either of them are of sound mind at all. Money is motivating enough but for those two, they’ll gone criminally insane for far too long imho. They have to separate themselves from humanity as we know it, it’s a very dangerous thing for them. Their rules of life are now forever governed by lawyers and an ever watchful media. They know with excruciating certainty that every mobile phone has a camera and would make anyone famous to get any evidence of them doing, well… just about anything. Hiding is their specialty!
A casual trip to McDonald’s or to a mall is out of the question.
Maybe Cruise doesn’t have the f’n rank to question DM. 😉
I think it’s human nature not to question something that is working in your favor. DM facilitates Cruise being treated like a god. Cruise may also believe that DM has so much important work to do, he can’t be expected to do the bridge work other parishioners are doing. Or maybe he doesn’t give a crap, as long as the sea org slaves keep coming.
Secret,
This is just speculation but I’d say Miscavige has a huge vested interest in keeping not only TC but all the celebs and whales on 7 because once done with 7 they’d of course have to go immediately onto 8, which itself is a fairly quick level, and then…? Then what the hell does He do with them, given that the cult’s dirty BIG secret is that there IS no OT 9 & 10. So best to keep celebs and whales grinding on 7. The little dears.
As to how DM explains to TC why He never completed 7 and why He never gets audited, that’s simple: its called lying. Again, pure speculation on my part but its possible that TC believes that his BFF is an OTVIII completion and Class XII auditor, OED/FEBC the highest level of Esto, etc., in short, that He has completed the highest levels of any courses or auditing actions available in Scientology.
Edit: OEC, not OED / FEBC.
Yep, agree. Scientology has run its course. It doesn’t work and hence is a scam by their claims alone and is a criminal organisation by its treatment and fraud committed upon its members.
TC is just along for the ‘glamorous’ ride. JT is in another type of boat, same destination though.
“Being had,” is something the remaining Scio celbs have a real hard time with, the truth of Scientology.
I hear you, Yawn.
Another theory: Its possible they’re addicted to the love bombing.
I can only IMAGINE how these celebs and whales are continually love bombed because I was love bombed.
I’m no celeb. Certainly no whale! For many years I’ve had a small business. I do fairly well.
I’m not even close to well known in my field. A small boutique business was all I ever wanted. I suppose I’m not bad looking. I don’t dress in rags.
Staff in my little org would say WONDERFUL things to me. All the time. All of them. Compliments to dress, hair, jewelry, etc. they would NOTICE these things. Little things.. New bracelet or watch? They’d notice. “Oh, how pretty!”…”Oh, your hair looks GREAT, I LOVE it that way!” New tee shirt? “LOVE that color on you!” …you get the idea. After a while I began to be quite impressed with myself.
Whole lotta lovin’ goin’ on!
For years I was clueless. The concept of love-bombing was unknown to me. I never flatter anyone unless I mean it. Not that I’m unkind, no. But I don’t say, “I love your dress”, when I don’t love your dress.
They were really good at pouring out the admiration and the affinity.
And I was, and am, nobody. Which is fine. I have what I want.
After I left I realized that I was love bombed for years, and that while they were directing all that “love” and “admiration” at me they were probably rolling their eyes amongst themselves at what was in my PC folder!
When I realized this I had a good laugh at myself. It was a release. Other stuff made sense, finally. They never liked me, it was all phony.
Point being, if they love bomb nobodies like me, imagine how they must love bomb the whales and celebs!
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Yep gotcha!
Being “love bombed” is a basic desire we all have in one way or another. I’ve been small business too, (for too long I sometimes think). It’s nice to have the recognition and flattering attention but the older I get the more concerned with keeping everything going smoothly & without surprises is immensely more valuable imo. I guess from a females perspective the emphasis on dress choice and codes with the correct presentation in such a business as the “boutique business” is paramount to success. I can only imagine you must have to be a living, breathing example of your work or product. It always amazes me that unless you’ve actually run a small business and experienced the hours, money and dedication it takes, not many others appreciate what such a life it is.
But you are right, correctly done “love bombing” is an carefully crafted art form to achieve a result, spotting if it’s sincere is the key. Scientology is one evil exponent of its use for nefarious purposes and income. As a group, Scientology produces the most insincere and quickly ungrateful lot of robotic morons I’ve ever encountered. This is especially evident to me as I’ve come to realise I know a hell of a lot more about what Hubbard actually said and meant than most Scios do or will ever know. Scientologists are such silly people. Knowing Scientology texts and then observing their operating procedures really messes with your head – love bombing is a flux which keeps it all going as common sense doesn’t.
Yes, Yawn, the staff at my little org had this really DOWN. Or maybe I just wanted to believe them. Anyway, when I began to question what clearly was out-tech and off policy and show them LRH references, their “love”‘ – how shall I put it – evaporated – rather quickly! Poof!
Enjoyed your comment as always, Yawn. Yes its fun having a small business. By the way, not that its important, but I don’t own a boutique. When I said I had a “small, boutique business” that was confusing: what I meant was that in my field which isn’t retail clothing, I have a small company.
Here’s an idea, We were both love bombed for years, and we’re recovering addicts, so now, when we crave it, when we just gotta have it, I’ll L-Bomb you, and you L-Bomb me. Deal?
You first, Yawn. I’m feeling very needy today. I NEED A FIX. Please respond immediately and tell me wonderful I am. PLEEEEEEEEZ.
Tomorrow I’ll do you.
Wait, that doesn’t sound right. But you get the idea.
Sounds like a plan. Does chocolate help get the ball rolling?
I always enjoy your comments, Aquamarine. And the outfit you are wearing is fabulous. 😉
yeah. As long as you’re With the Program and On Source and Active and Donating or whatever, you’re the Sh*t and we Luvs Ya. But if you don’t want to join staff, wear the hat, do the dono, push thru and get the product… the eyes go blank, they stop seeing you and they’ve moved on.
Staff need products.
Everyone has their stat.
If you’re not it, you’re not there and yesterday’s news.
buh-bye.
You fish well Aqua. Know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em…”
Always search your prisoners. Don’t learn the hard way.
Yawn: Chocolate always gets the ball rolling 🙂
dwarmed: Thanks, I’m glad you like my bathrobe 🙂
secret: Totally agreed that staff’s affinity is in direct index to What Have You Done For Me Lately? 🙂
Yawn : Love, love fish. That said, remind me to tell you about the one and only time I ever went fishing 🙂
it could be a simple as lying to cruise.
It’s tricky for me to speculate, as I can still fully assume the IN viewpoint and can feel all the constraints and beliefs, as a scio, I did very little lying. (except to Wogs, for wogs it was ok to duck, weave, avoid, and tell acceptable truths) (for their own good) I didn’t lie to scios.
Yes, but you’re YOU and He’s Him. Big difference!
I doubt Miscavige has ANY problem lying to “scios”! about ANYTHING.
He’s been doing little else since Hubbard died.
And as for lying to Cruise or any major celeb or whale, or anyone, can he tell them the truth?
“Hey, whattyknow, look at me, I’m head of RTC and never even comp’d Class IV! No kidding! Yeah, its true. Had a problem with some dog PC they gave me doing my internship at Saint Hill. Would you believe I actually had to slap the bitch? Caused something of a flap, back in the day. But listen, it all worked out, and here I am! Always on it, always ensuring the Tech stays pure for you guys!”
I’m sure Tom would appreciate that.
Yep. You’re right about that. I am me, and I am not Misscabbage. It does seem evident that he is simply a liar. He must know the truth about expansion, the stats, the teck, changing things, and the whole she-bang. I don’t take speculation as fact, but I must say that I’ve little belief that he is actually a scio. This is important to me, because as a Scio, I was fully and 100 percent brainwashed and devout and in and followed all the that I could to the best of my ability. I wasn’t out for “me” or my own benefit, or anything like that.
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I listened to the LRH death vid today, as I had a question about whether or not that was where I got the idea that we were all to meet up with LRH sometime down the line. I was appalled at how transparently false it all was. I had a hard time with it back in the day, but I played whack-a-mole and finally was able to swallow it. Today, I was just sickened. (and found that this was not the source of the Meet Up idea)
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Also..recently… I realized that maybe I didn’t lose myself totally. I really am a-swamp generally, but recently I was again told, “you’re the glue”. I’ve been told this several times over the years, and it’s a startling and generous and surprising thing to hear. I do know that my family doesn’t hold themselves as dear as a group as I do. I just always want them to see each other and hang out and enjoy. I drag them to see each other. 🙂
I always thought that I was just being a good family member, and that I loved them all and valued them. But from the stories I read/hear/listen to… apparently scn pounded this out of many. I must have escaped that part. I really DID think that the comm and ARC and What Is Greatness stuff mattered, and that putting in the work and love with the family was worth it and a demonstration of the teck. I’ve oft heard, “you’re the glue” and it was gratifying (and frustrating, as I wanted them to just see each other without me) …but this last time…. this last time..it helped me. It made me realize that I didn’t lose myself totally and I did keep something back.
Maybe there are other things.
Maybe scientology didn’t just turn me into an asshole totally.
🙂
I hear that OT 9 and 10 are for real going to be released. So did SOB – I mean COB – pull some stuff out of his ass to concoct these levels?
Think I’ll call bullshit and a rumor until it is proven to be true. Just another bait by the cult.
” I hear that OT 9 and 10 are for real going to be released.”
It’s going to happen just as soon as the fair game and disconnection policies have been terminated. Wait for it!
“this is a CUMULATIVE number. Everyone who has ever finished is counted… And that certainly includes all those who have been declared…”
This kind of thing always brings to my mind the idea that Scientologists and/or the church leadership can’t really believe their own religion. If they believed what they were saying at all — if they considered this IMPORTANT, especially to the survival of the species — they could not possibly count those who were later “found” to be SPs, or for that matter, those who later died. For them to persistently include these people in these numbers can only mean that they know they are lying. Mike has pointed out over and over again how CoS lies to its own members, and these lies are its primary priority now. What gets me is that this means that anyone currently involved in the leadership knows for certain that Scientology is a scam, a con. They know for certain that Scientology is NOT doing anything worthwhile on the planet.
“It was a mathematical equation, all extrapolated out.”
These kind of statements always bring to mind that Scientologists by and large do not understand mathematics. As Mike has shown, they don’t apply it honestly, but even putting that aside, anyone who’s ever done a “word problem” in arithmetic would know that there are a lot of unsupported assumptions in those “mathematical equations” to start with. I’m talking 4th grade math here, not calculus. If I could go back in time, I’d start by giving LRH a basic education in math and science. (I’d even let him model the ideas in clay.)
“Where we have a lot of OT’s, we see plummeting crime rates”
“how come nothing is different”?
Again, these kind of things always bring to mind that Scientologists cannot possibly understand science, any of them. Any scientist could tell immediately that the statement “Where we have a lot of OTs, we see plummeting crime rates” HAS TO be followed by verifiable observations where all other hypotheses have been ruled out. Just reading the claims in Dianetics should be enough to prove to anyone with even a high school science education that the author knows nothing at all about science. When I read the initial reviews by scientists of Dianetics, it occurs to me that this indeed was obvious at the time. So the question is, what the hell happened to Science education in the US that anyone ever fell for this? I also am dumbfounded by any reference to someone being a “doctor” and also a Scientologist. It couldn’t actually be someone who made it through medical school, could it? Did they just cheat their way through Science classes?
“I know I can count on you”.
Ha ha! Not so much, Clivey-Jivey.
Why are most COS memos and letters I see signed “Much Love”? Just curious! The content typically reads more professional, so it seems odd to sign off this way.
It’s short for, “I need you to respond or show up so I can get your money and I will very ‘much love’ you for a short period of time afterward.”
LRH for the most part complimentary-closed that way: “Much love, Ron”.
Much Love was a salutation that Mary Sue and many of LRH’s Aides used. If they were happy with your work or response, it was Much Love. If they were sorta happy it would be “ML” and they were pissed off it would be Love or “L”. I probably typed thousands of LRH telexes and I don’t recall LRH ever using anything but L=R. I guess he thought Love equaled Ron. Love equals Ron???? Ugh!
Dave,
Now that you have been briefed and brought up to date, you can have Lou tuck you back in bed, so you can try to sober up.
When she does that, do you think she ever fantasizes about smothering Him with a pillow?
Unlike Shelly, Lou can work out a immunity agreement with Law Enforcement, without Dave knowing; Katie Holmes style.
If only!
“So, no scientology is NOT winning the war of ideas and taking over the planet. Not even against the psychs….”
Or anyone else for that matter. But they are definitely losing the idea wars, the control wars and the media wars.
Yo Clive,
Just remember the Eee Pee of Oh Tea Ate ……………. “open the gate!”
We’re gone. How many of your 6400 Eee Pees are still active producing $cientologists? (That is spelled ……….. still has money and is able to fund your berthing and meals?)
I’ll bet you have fewer today than you did this time last year. Here’s the zinger Clive …. it will keep on keepin on ……… till your sordid little mess is over. I’m happy to help you along good buddy.
LOL! California has the most on Solo Nots and is the most impoverished State in the union. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html
Also one of the highest crimes states.
The ONLY thing scamology has ever bettered is its own bank accounts.
Actually, California is the RICHEST state in the USA … BY FAR… no other state even close, in fact it is one of the largest economies in terms of sheer wealth in the entire WORLD.The article you attached even mentions the huge rise in GDP.
Now, as to why the state ALSO has such a large amount of poverty as well is a very important subject in itself, which cannot be intelligently discussed in all its complexities and causes in either a short post here or a short article which is essentially nothing more than the usual simple minded political screed designed for people whose tolerance for reading is about three minutes … But leave it to the simple mindedness of “right-wing-ology” which reduces every condition to a childish attack on the “baddies” and you do get an idea of why so many Americans thought that Obama care and the ACA were two different things.
“Where we have a lot of OT’s, we see plummeting crime rates, areas are flourishing and prospering. I’m sure you can agree that this is needed for Los Angeles”
So hold on a sec – areaS (plural) are flourishing and prospering. So we have multiple areas that have lots of OT’s. Sufficient numbers to plummet the crime rates and get wogs around them flourishing and prospering. Apparently. Yet, that is still needed for the area that has the greatest concentration of Scientologists in the world?
Is it just me, or is there a mathematical inconsistency there?
If the cult REALLY wanted OTs they’d cease with the out-tech of 6 month mandatory sec checks for the 7s. From what I’ve read, with people on this level for many years, this has to be one of the major clogs in the OT plumbing.
Then again, mandatory sec checks are lucrative for Flog, so, “What Have You Done / What Have You Witheld” – come to Mama!
-come to Mama! And make sure you bring ALL your money, credit cards, retirement and education funds!
Hahaha!! This made my day! Thanks
How many dead or dying OT VIIs would be a good stat to publish. I imagine as many as those who are getting on the level.
How to Lie with Statistics is a book written by Darrell Huff in 1954. If you have not read it, I would recommend it!
It never ceases to amaze me how they have developed their own lingua franca when it comes to so much of what they do. I say lingua franca, but really it’s just Orwellian doublespeak. Juvenile doublespeak, at that.
Mark Twain said there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Twain also said that Wagner’s music is better than it sounds!
He also said golf was a good walk ruined but neither golf nor Wagner have anything to do with the number gymnastics that Miscavage et al perform