Tonight, at the Fort Harrison Hotel, scientology will once again try to cash in on the claimed “fact” that their founder was an accomplished War Hero and recipient of a “Purple Heart With Palm.”
Anyone unfortunate enough to be hoodwinked into this event with the offer of a free dinner, valet parking and some insincere flattery (insincere because scientologists believe all “wogs” are unfortunately ignorant) should take a few minutes to find out just what it is they are supporting. If anyone DOES show up, you can bet there will be photos taken and their names and likenesses will be used to make it appear they support CCHR and scientology.
A great place to start educating oneself is with Chris Owen’s meticulously researched book Ron The War Hero (available on Amazon here). I HIGHLY recommend it. Chris lays bare the reality of Hubbard’s military career.
I am taking the liberty of including the first two chapters of Chris’ book (again, I recommend if you have an interest in scientology or Hubbard you read the whole book) because they are SO illustrative of how Hubbard and his organization have manipulated and changed the story of Hubbard’s military career to suit their ends.
Chris uses a simple but brilliant method to debunk the myth of Ron’s war record — he cites what Hubbard and scientology have said. The stories are so conflicting it is clear that this is more like an episode of “Drunk History” than anything resembling reality.
Chris then briefly lays out the Navy’s account of Hubbard’s military career.
The rest of the book goes into enormous detail analyzing and debunking the claims that have been made.
But the final point, most relevant to this posting is that Hubbard claimed to have been awarded a “Purple Heart With Palm” — this is what Chris has to say about that:
Claiming military service and medals that are not reality is extremely dishonorable.
An organization founded by someone who did this so extensively, and who has actively participated in it to bolster their credibility should not be hosting any event that even used the words Purple Heart.
Hubbard was a liar. So is scientology. That clown miscavige and his silly uniform is pathetic.
We shall not forget: without a greedy audience (all ex-scns), hubbard would never have been what he was.
If this entertainment would not lead towards death or else in the end, it would be nothing more than an entertainment or a lowl.
What ARE you insanely babbling on about Pmeier? People who wanted to make a peaceful world were “greedy”?
Projection folks.
Pmeier, thanks for verifying that you are a troll.
War Hero?
From what I’ve read about his war time service, I think it would be far more accurate to call him a,
“War Zero” instead of a “War Hero”.
It’s just my personal opinion, but for what it’s worth, I think he was a ridiculous and despicable asshole.
His legacy includes a huge amount of serious harm to innocent victims who unfortunately chose to believe in him. He was a dreadful excuse for a human being.
But that is nothing compared to the current “Pope” of the scam who is far worse in so many ways to that goofball.
His episodes are worth to be filmed like Catch22. Too funny. Seeing Hubbard always running and explaining. Imagine the cuts, when he is almost confronted with facts by officers and doctors and how his brain gets on fire to explain you how he made it all well – of course, only for us 😉
Yes, FP “will show up” to point out that this again is scraping the bottom of the barrel. It is a mish-mash of assumption, by both the author of the book (and the Church in fairness – not that I feel like being fair to you lot) it seems. How anyone can bother to go to the length of writing a whole damn book on the subject is beyond me but I dare say a few of you nincompoops will now buy it to boost its no-doubt flagging sales (who would buy such crap and on such a daft, limited and mean-spirited topic?)
So let us take just 1 example of this magnificent “research” which states – “there is no mention of corvettes”. Yet we see Hubbard as Commanding Officer of UNITED STATES SHIP (USS for the ignorant) of PC-815 in 1943. Was this a corvette? Most probably eh? Peacemaker can now launch into a massive research project on this.
I remember some other remark that poo-pooed – actually denied that Hubbard’s work in (Military) Intelligence occurred and yet we see from the Navy’s own records that he was involved in just that.
I suppose if anyone could be really bothered to counter or present the above in a positive light then I am sure it could be done but of course no one (of you) is really interested in that. The Church have tried to string it all together – all you lot have done is look for negatives or contradictions. I have just pointed out 2 that are false amongst them. And the Navy record is actually fairly and quite fulsome and long.
Now if he had no Navy record that would be another matter but the above is quite a long list is it not? So you are deriding someone who has actually – per Navy record – served as an Officer and for quite some time in a war period. Shame on you!
If anyone needs to read this book it is you. If you had you would know what a corvette is and where they were used in the war. Hint: Hubbard never commanded a corvette.
As for his intelligence career that is also extensively covered. And it was not as portrayed by Hubbard or Scientology.
Clearly you know little to nothing about this topic but assert your “knowledge” to claim others are fools, liars and haters.
APU you just did the Tommy Davis two step and fell on your face once again…
Well, that’s strange because I see in his Navy war record “Intelligence Officer”. My point has nothing to do with what Hubbard or Scientology stated – this is the Navy war record as above. There would be no detail of that for obvious reasons. But Intelligence Officer he was – says it right there in the Navy Records.
As for your little “hint”, perhaps then you could make a hint as to what USS PC-815 is then that he was Commanding Officer of? And also the much maligned action off the Oregon coast then later on, what was that if not a corvette? So if he didn’t actually sink any Jap subs then he was at least CO of the ship eh? You can’t have it both ways. And corvettes were used in all theatres of war.
“Corvette”: a lightly armed, fast ship used mostly for convoy escort and ranging in size between a destroyer and a gunboat.
“Clearly you know little to nothing about this topic but assert your “knowledge” to claim others are fools, liars and haters.”
The only one who has fallen on his face here is you. I am not saying he is Audy Murphy and neither is the Church but as always you’ve got to twist things to suit your agenda.
Hahaha.
Corvette was NOT a designation for a USN PC. Corvettes were British/Commonwealth in WW II. The US was given 10 corvettes by the British for N. Atlantic sub patrols. Hubbard was nowhere near them. In fact his extremely short-lived command of a vessel on the East Coast, as Hubbard himself stated was of a “heavy-beam trawler”…
If you actually looked at his record as an Intelligence Officer covered in the book, you would see that it was about as impressive as his claims of “war injuries” that he had to cure himself of. It was a short-lived (6 month) disaster of rather epic proportions. Yes, that was his designation, but it’s about as accurate description of him as “Nuclear Physicist,” “Doctor” or musician.
Oh! I see your mis-comprehension now! I would have thought it was obvious from the rather clear definition I gave you that a corvette firstly a) was not the exclusive property of the Brit navy and b) the definition of a “heavy beam trawler” (armed), (even if that was what he said) still quite easily fits the definition I gave above. You should really think these things through instead of relying on the false proposition of some “researcher” who just wants to sell his book and bends his facts to suit his cloth. And because the Brit navy gave the US Navy 10 corvettes does not mean that the US navy did not have (other) ships that classified as corvettes and that the US Navy did not have corvettes in the Pacific war theatre! If that sort of “fact” is what this dude is relying on for part of his premise then the rest is now fully laid open to severe doubt. So – this author dude is basing his premise on his assumed idea that a) the Brits gave the US Navy all of their “corvettes” and that b) they only had 10 of them and c) that corvette class ships only operated in the Atlantic on convoy duty! Well, well!
Again, as I have expected Peacemaker to weigh in with a huge long “researched” paragraph as to what exactly was this other object classified as USS PC-815 was, it was from its title presumably a ship eh? Now it obviously wasn’t a battleship or a carrier because Hubbard would have mentioned that no doubt, and it could have been a base camp as the Navy can name land based areas as a “ship” (I believe), but, it probably was a ship eh? And probably a small armed vessel, er, something like a corvette eh?
I wonder now what other twisted “facts” are being presented for the edification of the gullible in this book?
Again I am not really interested whether or not Hubbard told little white lies about his war history – won’t make a tad of difference to my regard for what he has achieved, in fact I would probably chuckle a bit if he did, but it seems from even this scant examination that perhaps his history was not so far short of the mark as you would have us believe. And I will point out the “little white lies” of others in trying to denigrate him and sell their daft silly little books.
You of course missed the whole point by sidetracking into YOUR definition of a “corvette” and forgot about the “little white lies” Hubbard told about him seeing combat at all, let alone winning a Purple Heart (“with Palm” something that does not even exist).
You think these are unimportant little lies. This is what Hubbard defenders (and Hubbard himself) rely on — deflection and belittling if not outright ignoring.
Someday you might wake up from your brainwashed state, but I am afraid not.
He’s a lost cause.
Anything to defend Hubbard’s endless lies and “what he achieved”.
If what he achieved is so incredible, why are there only 20-30,000 members left (many of which are under the radar)? Why are the orgs nearly empty? Why are people always leaving? Why are there no actual “Clears” or “OTs”? (Questions which FP never answers).
If $cientology could prove that anyone has actually attained these non-existent states, people would literally be breaking the doors down to get in.
But they can’t prove it for obvious reasons. It’s all bullshit.
Reality is hard to accept, I suppose.
Er, it’s not my definition of a corvette – it’s the quite usual one taken from Dictionary.Com. As per usual and just as LRH points out – the misunderstood word rears its head yet again not only for the author of the book but for those who believe him. Did Terra write this article?
Haha – what a joke – so the author thinks that “Corvette” is only applicable to the Royal Navy, the US Navy only had 10 of them, and they operated only in the Atlantic area – so Hubbard could not have served in them. (And we also see now from your remark above that he did operate in the Atlantic, unless the “East Coast” has changed its ocean in the last 100 years!)
I daresay if I took the time and trouble a la Peacemaker I could probably find quite a few more gross and glaring anomalies like the above. But it’s not important, for me anyway.
Is it important to you that Hubbard did not suffer combat wounds but claimed he was awarded two Purple Hearts? Or are you using the dictionary.com definition of wound that could be used to classify an ulcer as a wound and he was “in the military”… He had a duodenal ulcer when in the navy so duo of course means two so there you go, it all makes sense…
FP, the term corvette has a specific technical meaning in naval parlance – i would think you would understand something like that:
Term: corvette (n)
Definition: 1) A fast, highly manoeuvrable warship, somewhat smaller than a destroyer. 2) An armed sailing ship smaller than a frigate. (archaic)
http://www.seatalk.info/cgi-bin/nautical-marine-sailing-dictionary/db.cgi?db=db&uid=default&FirstLetter=c&sb=Term&view_records=View+Records&nh=9
Given that destroyers were then around 1,500 to 2,000 tons, that defines a ship of about 1,000 tons – corresponding to displacements on that list of WWII corvettes that I posted in another comment. The largest ship the Navy let Hubbard take to sea was nowhere near that size – which also says something about his competence (his officer evaluations, which would not have been altered even if his records were “sheep dipped,” also consistently state he was not suited to major responsibilities).
Why do you demean people like Owen who have done hard, thorough work to get to the truth? “Dr.” Hubbard had a problem with telling the truth, including his various credentials and even down to the number of wives he had, accept it.
Why would you “chuckle” at someone who lied and made up stories to make himself seem smarter or more credible?
I didn’t realize that being a liar is funny.
So if you found out that a good friend or your girlfriend/wife or a family member had been telling you a bunch of lies over the years, would that be funny, too?
FoolP, all you have to do is google something like “corvettes us navy world war 2” and you’ll get a list showing that in fact Owen is right – there were just those few corvettes in the US Navy, and Hubbard lied:
List of corvettes of World War II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corvettes_of_World_War_II
Note also that all the corvettes were around 1,000 tons, far larger than any ship the US Navy ever put Hubbard in command of – he was clearly trying to claim something much more impressive than he had actually achieved.
So more importantly, what if Hubbard similarly told lots of “little white lies” about his “work,” and the “tech”? Would that help explain why it is factually failing out in the real world, and even you indies can’t do more than attract a few refugees from the CofS? After all, Hubbard said that if Dianetics and Scientology worked, it would attract so many people that the orgs would be overflowing – or was that a lie, too?
Peacemaker, what the Fool is trying to say is that Hubtard didn’t lie about the type of ship he was on, it is that Hubtard was too stupid to know what kind of ship he was on. Which is worse?
Yep, Wynski. No version of it ends up putting Hubbard in a good light, as I said recently in regards to another aspect.
Also, his claim is that he commanded “corvettes” plural, and a “squadron” (November 7, 1959, Welcome Address. Melbourne Congress). Clearly from his record, he never commanded groups of ships of any type, much less real warships like corvettes.
I think that Hubbard and others of his era would have been familiar with corvettes from 19th century accounts of sailing ships of that class, such as in confronting the Barbary pirates and fighting in the War of 1812. He was attempting to use the misleading reference to put a false swashbuckling spin on his abortive commands of converted trawlers and the like.
FP probably gets a bit of a “thought stopping” break from having to confront the reality that even the independent scientology scene is failing and dying, by coming here to nitpick and snipe.
USS PC-815 was a PC-461-class submarine chaser built for the United States Navy during World War II. It was commanded for about eighty days in 1943 by L. Ron Hubbard, who later became the founder of Scientology. After Hubbard was removed from command for inadvertently shelling Mexican territory, the PC-815 served as a shore patrol vessel off San Diego, California. She was lost with one of her crew in September 1945 after being hit by the destroyer USS Laffey.
As is usual for you, you provide nothing that can be even vaguely construed as evidence to back what you say about Lub O’Tard. You just hold your Lub O’Tard security blanket to your face and stamp your little feet (no doubt you were wearing your Lub O’Tard pyjamas, socks and slippers at the time) in a nasty spiteful temper tantrum because people hold a different view about your “hero.”
The “Tommy Davis two step..”
Most excellent! 😂
Hey Dipshit aka Foolproof, USN ships with the designation of PC# were NOT corvettes. So, thanks for highlighting Hubtard’s lies
Well, what were they then? A small (armed) gunboat? See the above. Dipshit!
It is irrelevant what they were. Only what they WERE NOT as Hubtard made the FALSE CLAIM of what he served on. MORON. If he had claimed he served on a BB and was on PT they are also both armed ships. Only the BB barely scrapes through the Panama canal and has 18″ guns while the PR is ~60′ long with 40MM guns.
Thanks for showing your 40 IQ and COMPLETE lack of logic.
FP, I’m not surprised that the “subject” of Hubbard’s virtual pathological lying, and fabrications, triggered a response from you.
CofS spokesperson Tommy Davis said, in typical scientological Freudian slip fashion, that if Hubbard lied about his war record, wasn’t injured and didn’t heal himself, then that undermines the legitimacy of his “work” in Dianetics and Scientology.
The CofS and various Hubbard loyalists have considered this issue important enough to have hired authors, and put up extensive speculative websites. Owen’s thorough debunking is indeed a fitting response to the falsehoods that have been extensively propagated, starting with Hubbard himself.
It doesn’t even take research, just some quick fact checking, to determine the falsehood of the claims regarding Hubbard’s commands:
“USS PC-815 was a PC-461-class submarine chaser”
“Displacement: 295 tons fully loaded”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_PC-815
“A corvette is a small warship….typically between 500 tons and 2,000 tons”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette
His other command also doesn’t qualify:
“the USS YP-422 (top) didn’t remotely resemble a USN Patrol Gunboat (PG-Class) corvette”
http://www.reasoned.life/2018/05/debunking-military-lies-part-4-hubbards-fibs-and-follies-afloat/
Then, the mundane nature of most “intelligence” work is belied by the fact that in Hubbard’s last posting in that classification, his duties are noted as cable censorship. If his previous intelligence postings had been significant (and the record indicates they weren’t), he wouldn’t have been put in a routine position stateside and far from even any major headquarters; in fact, his performance review is in his records, and his superior indicates that Hubbard had a troublesome reputation and only performed satisfactorily doing simple work under direct supervision.
FP, I take it that you subscribe to some version of the currently popular strain of apologism in which what is now incontrovertible is acknowledged, that Hubbard was a questionable character – a “tyrant” as Ken Urquhart puts it – and even a liar and a fraud, but that he somehow transmitted an enlightening “subject” and its “tech.” Given that even you yourself are witnessing the ongoing failure of scientology to succeed and grow as it is supposed to, isn’t it time to consider that Hubbard’s lies and frauds run deeper than you have accounted for, and are crippling the subject itself?
PM, Foolproof can’t deal with the empirical data you present. He presents himsel/herself as an authority, addressing an audience of inferior, reactive meat-sacks here, and can’t be bothered with actually acknowledging the specific points you and Mike make. His m.o. is to twist words, misdirect, insult, and dismiss…as he/she knows best. This person does not want to deal with facts that prove the ineffectiveness of the dreck or the criminality
of the Flubbard.
I too would like to see an Aftermath episode about this. The topic of Stolen Valor, which I believe is a crime now, is a big one that will resonate with many people. Claiming to have combat decorations when you were never even in combat is low.
Of course Scientology never stops lying and calling him a ‘captain’ or a war hero, despite the fact that he was relieved of the only command he ever had for incompetence. And his battle with non-existent Japanese submarines illustrates the paranoia that was a defining part of his character.
The fact that Hubbard lied about his service record should be made well known among the general public. It further establishes him as a fraud who lied in virtually every statement he ever made about himself.
The US Supreme Court has stated that ‘stolen valor’ is ok as long as that ‘valor’ was not used to make or take money.
Lying is free speech.
In this flag event, they make money with this valor.
It’s worth taking a minute to consider the legacy of this asshole.
He swindled millions of dollars from many people. But what happiness did that money get him? If you examine his life, he was much more unhappy after he began his swindle than before.
At the end of his life, his physical and mental state was not much better than many people who wind up addicted to alcohol and living on the street. So all the mental anquish he caused others and all the money he swindled yielded nothing positive for him or anyone else and now has found its way into the possession of yet another swindler – albeit one who is more clever and far more ruthless than the first.
The leadership of this massive swindle all belong in the penitentiary and I wait for the day they are put into their cells with baited breath.
He was a malignant narcissist. Despite what they tell others, they’re the most unhappy people you’ll ever meet.
This topic should definitely be top on the Aftermath documentary. Let the public and vets be aware of these things as well as the whole fund raising events.
The events are so fony . The sta ff pretend to be your best friend, then after you eat some of their “free” food , now you feel you should give something back $.
Hi, greatings from europe.
I don´t understand why scientology don´t get sued or the army does someting about it.
It cheapens the value of real medal owners (Sorry for my bad english), isn´t it illegal to claim to have won those medals, when you haven´t ? The army should really do someting about it, or maybe contact some war veteran organization, that can sue them.
I have family members who had won medals during wwII, and if they were still alive they would get really pissed at that faker and coward, claiming to have won someting during war he hasn´t. Any war veteran would get pissed, that´s probably why he went into hiding after wwii, he probably was sure he would get to court marshal for fucking up, but unfortunatly he didn´t.
Dominik, Hubard is DEAD. He cannot be sued or arrested.
I know he´s dead, I meant sue scientology for false information (sorry for my english, it´s my 5th language, I hope I get the meaning right, sorry if I meant sue Hubbard), they are promoting him as a war hero when he´s not, and all his false medals they claim he won. I´m surprised it is not illegal in the US to fake those kind of military records, or if it is nobody is doing anything about it.
You can’t sue someone just because they say something not true. You must have “standing”. You must have suffered some type of actual harm because of the lie. Otherwise one could sue every religion for the lies (stories) they tell.
In the US it is illegal under certain circumstances to WEAR rank & decorations that you didn’t have. But to say someone else had them is of course NOT something one can make illegal in the USA.
I get it, but they are making a fond rasing, isn´t it the same if I made a fond rasing saying, “help me pay me cancer bills” and posted false fotos om for exampel facebook and I didn´t have cancer at all ? there had been some cases here and they all got jail.
I understand they can say what what, even if it´s really low to claim that he was a “hero”, but aren´t they misleading and taking money under false pretenses, when the claims and the basis of the fond raiser are false? that´s what I though was strange, but they probably had their lawers make some disclaimer that you barely see, or some word formulation that makes it all legal 🙁
The best way to stop it, is probably to make the public and veteran organizations aware of it.
Doesn’t matter Dominik . The lie must be material to what you pay for. Example: If they sell you Orange juice that is not from oranges then you have a claim. If they tell you that the founder of the OJ company fought in a war when he didn’t then you have not been damaged. Whether or not the owner fought in a war 70 years ago has no bearing on the quality of the OJ you bought today.
Hello Dominik.
I believe you are here for a most critical time in history. I’m not sure why. But I have a strong premonition that we will witness the end of this horrible scam in the near future.
I feel sorry for anyone who goes to some event promoted with free food, good music and all the other standard inducements. When they go there, they are expected to contribute a great deal of money and if they have much money, they are pressured to make large donations to this scam.
Surely there must be some way to counter these promotions by putting ads in the same places warning people about all the trickery.
I wonder if The Aftermath Foundation or some other organization would be willing to step up and warn people to stay away.
This reminds me of “Hubbard’s law of commotion,” the critical observation that for a piece of Hubbard “tech” or policy, there is usually an equal and contradictory piece.
Diehard loyalists also of course also have rationalizations for the inconsistencies in Hubbard’s war record. Those seem to center around the theory that he was involved in secret activities that resulted in his official record being scrubbed or “sheep dipped.” The problem is, if he really was involved in such secret activities that Naval authorities had to alter the permanent record to hide them, then like many who did far more that he even claimed to, he should have honored his duty and vows of secrecy, and never spoken at all of what he did. His official record might possibly have been altered only if he were involved in activities that, even after the war, could have compromised methods and put sources at risk. His speaking publicly about such secret activities would thus be an offense under both the codes of military justice, and the Espionage Act of 1917.
In the end there are sort of two equal but opposite possibilities regarding Hubbard’s war record: he was either a boastful liar, or a boastful traitor. No possible accounting of his public claims, leaves him in a favorable light.
*Shrugs* The man was a fiction writer. A Science Fiction writer. It shows in everything he wrote, but most clearly here, imop. He seemed to be incapable of telling the unvarnished truth about himself -had to aggrandize everything about his life. Since he transferred this to his creation of Fictionology, no wonder the sheeple are confused. Sci Fi is a confusing genre, especially if you have been led to believe that it’s literal truth.
Briget, the “man” was PULP fiction writer. calling him a science fiction writer is a considerable step up. He wrote anything editors would buy: true confessions, romance, westerns, and OCCASIONALLY something which could be shoehorned into sci fi — IF you were being generous that day; nothing that resides in my scifi library today, nothing I felt deserved a second reading.
Scamology. Thy name is “Bait & Switch”.
You promise a fun-filled event with free food and good music. But all you ever deliver is terrible food and terrible music and terrible everything. Then you expect the poor attendees who do not know any better to give you money for the food and be happy for the terrible music.
Baloney on white bread with mayo? Sing along with Mitch Miller? Are you out of your cotton’ pickin’ minds?
Then comes the real scam. You expect the people who come to give you all their money? What kind of crazy is that?
Everyone who has never gone to one of these disasters is well advised to stay away. They are just awful and ridiculous. You will be much better entertained by watching kiddie cartoons on TV on Saturday mornings.
This scam truly blows!
Correct me if I am wrong Hubbard collected disability not for war wounds but for a bad back or something along those lines.
I once talked to a B1 guy who got Ron’s Service Record from the Navy and turned it over to the GOUS. He told me that there was no combat incidents on his record, no Purple Heart or any other combat medals awarded. Also, no combat injuries noted.
Hubtard lied of course.
If the Tampa Bay Times gets wind of this and publishes an article it will go down as foot bullet no no 9652.
If the New York Times dug into this, which they won’t, they could publish a story that would take the cherch down. With GOD as my witness, should they do such a thing, I would get a year’s subscription!!! My girl would also do the Sunday puzzle!!
Oh, just used the link in the article in my handset to go to Amazon, and Clear Body Clear Mind was advertised!!
So what’s being said in today’s post is that not only did Hubbard lie about his military service, the supposed wounds that he received in action that left him blind and crippled didn’t happen either. If I recall correctly, this was the first time the ol’ grifter made claims about healing himself using techniques that would become the basis for dianetics and his “research” into the mind. I guess since the injuries didn’t exist there was nothing to heal in the first place and since there was nothing to heal there was never any research into the mind. dianetics is just another thing the great con pulled out of his ass and sold to the unsuspecting public. It was (and continues to be) all fiction by a third rate science fiction writer. He was good at one thing though. He made a shit load of money off the illusion. That can’t be denied.
Wonder if FP will show up to defend Hubbard the Liar; The Fake; The Fraudster.
Perhaps the “psychs” altered Hubbard’s records. But of course! Conspiracy theories at their best.
Indeed he was very talented at being a con man.
But some people make the mistake of believing it takes some real special attributes to be a good con man. The truth is the major requirement is the willingness to cheat honest people and to do them great financial harm while lining one’s own pockets. That is not talent. It’s just a wilful disregard of going to prison. But thankfully, once someone gets a taste of “money for nothing” as the result of being a con man, they can never stay away from it and almost all of them end up in prison or hiding out on the ocean and claiming to be some ridiculous “Sea Org”.
Anyone who knows the history of his asshole, knows he never had a very happy life and he certainly did not enjoy his final years – hiding out from the IRS and living in a drug-addled mental state living in terrible conditions.
Ms B Haven: There is NOTHING he didn’t lie about. Any time a fact check has been done, it proved he was a unrepentant lier about everything — even when the truth would have served him better.
“According to the Military Order of the Purple Heart, if someone is wounded in action more than once they are recongnized with gold and silver stars, rather than palms.”
Speaking as a retired member of the U.S. Air Force, that’s not exactly correct. Additional awards of the Purple Heart are denoted by a bronze, not gold, oak leaf cluster for subsequent awards in the Army and Air Force. The silver oak leaf is worn in lieu of five bronze oak leaf clusters. The clusters used on medals are 10mm long, those used on ribbons are 7.9mm long. The Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard use 5/16 inch bronze and silver stars in a similar manner to indicate subsequent awards.
The ‘palm’, which is roughly 2/3 the length of the ribbon it’s attached to, is used only on foreign to the U.S. decorations. They identify the level at which the “Mentioned in Despatches” for the award came from. For instance, on the Croix de Guerre a bronze palm indicates it came from Army level. A silver palm stands for five bronze ones.
Palms are not used on any American Forces decorations. Which tells me whoever put that, “Purple Heart with Palm”, claim together didn’t have a clue about U.S. military decorations.
Thanks for these exact details!
Three of my uncles served in combat during WW2.
As for Hubs Retirement pension?? You have to serve on active duty for 10 years to get any type of retirement pension. The Hubs did get or tried to get a disability pension. Copies of his begging letters have been published. Did he collect a disability pension all of his life?? Does anyone know?
The Hubster’s theft of valor really, really pisses me off.
I too, had an Uncle who served in France in WW2. It was there that he was killed. He’s buried in Normandy in the Cemetery recently in the news. Disgusting that anyone would lie about their war record😡
“disgusting” fits Hubbard perfectly.
Yes! There are so many words like disgusting which fit for this monster. More adjectives than hitler or stalin ever got together.
“I served the US Government and then the US Navy for several years, was honorably discharged as an officer and really don’t care to say much more about it.” –L. Ron Hubbard
ROFL! Since when does Elron Coward not expound in ridiculous, grandiose, redundant Hubbardese every thought that comes into his mind. Particularly when recounting his spectacular adventures and accomplishments, or elucidating on his scifi and religious fantasies. He exhibited hypergraphia and hyperlogia. It was virtually impossible for LRH to not go on at near infinite length in all of his typing, writing, dictation and speaking. Always.
More on Elron’s hypergraphia and other TLE symptoms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUdcLUN3JpE
Sensibly Speaking Podcast #51 – A New Explanation of L. Ron Hubbard – With Yuval Laor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschwind_syndrome
“Geschwind syndrome includes five primary changes; hypergraphia, hyperreligiosity, atypical (usually reduced) sexuality, circumstantiality, and intensified mental life.”
This is beyond disgusting and a huge insult to those who served their country. I would love to see Ron’s fake war record exposed on a major network for millions to see.
Thanks, Chris Owen for the meticulous research.
Hope a lot of it makes it into Wikipedia.
I was blessed to be part of a ceremony with Navy Seals honoring the fallen by pinning a Purple Heart on a small boat paddle that was then given to the spouse of the fallen Seal.
I was up there on stage with a Navy Seal and the wife. It was like being in church. It felt sacred.
This lying sack of shit, Hubbard, was such a low life weasel.
He was the DB, the evil psyche, the SP, the implanter and mind enslaver he warned us about
As an ARMY veteran can I say that I hate people who steal valor?
I’m right there with you. Stolen Valor is one of the worst things someone can do. And yes, otherles, I hate that too.
BTW, thank you for serving.
Indeed otherles.
Thank you for the sacrifices you made for the benefit of everyone else.
It’s my pleasure!
Thank you.
Hubbard was a habitual liar who had no close friends. He did find 3 women who married him and he discarded all three. Mary Sue would have been such an interesting interview in her later years after getting out of prison. There appears to be very little if any information about her later years and any reflection about her marriage and $ci.
Isn’t it a bit rich that the cult is honoring military service when during the time of the military draft it made a big push for its staff members to do a short ministers course to get a ministerial deferment to avoid the draft. The cult (and its front group CCHR) rally against mental health treatment, which many veterans need. Yet I wonder how many vets they failed after promising to help overcome mental and physical problems with their “only help for mankind modern science of mental health.”
They couldn’t help an old lady cross the street.
And if they did, they would charge her megabucks.
With a stint in the Hole…
Many not-so-good endings for guys and gals that lied about their military service, as it should be. One would hope that, should this data get some broad publication, a movement to demand the truth be known would shine some light on the lie factory known as L Wrong Flubberd and his little cherch!
The Lie Factory! Indeed! That’s Scientology for you.
The degree of delusion is appalling and, unfortunately, perpetuated by the deranged minds who ‘lead’ the church today.
It’s not a Church. What it is, is a money making machine. Of course it’s all about bringing in money. But a Church it is not. It is a CULT! A vicious evil CULT. With no redeeming value.