You sort of have to feel for the people that buy into the SuMP (Scientology Media Productions) pitches, and this woman has obviously jumped in with both feet.
Instead of getting her roof fixed, she gives money for SuMP. A completely useless activity that serves no purpose other than as a hook to get money.
And she actually believes that “we changed the whole dynamic in South America with WTH”. And then the “media is all distorted” so you cannot rely on them to report about this massive success of changing Colombia, they never get it right. So, the ONLY source of “true information” is Dear Leader and his PR spokespuppets.
This is her idea of a “big think” solution. She almost certainly has never been to Gold — a facility that utterly dwarfs the SuMP and is not utilized at all. If scientology wanted to get TV and radio shows done there is NOTHING that SuMP is going to provide that doesn’t already exist.
Sad really. She has only been involved since 2010. Shows how fast someone can morph into full sheeple…
And then there is this — SuMP will “unleash a wave of theta the likes of which we have never before seen in the history of this universe” and SuMP is “the key that will unlock the theta on this planet in one instant” so therefore: “I give you this Tone 40 command to make a donation right now.”
This guy seems to be angling for a job as D/Shermanspeak I/C.
One very unreal guy.
How can you possibly get away with this deception? It is quite remarkable. And to have someone hand over their money so willingly and happily for a total scam is terrible.
Of all the weird LRH restrictions and alterations to the English language “knowingness” has to be among my favorites. It just sounds ridiculous. This is literally something a child would say before learning the subtle nuances that inform our communication. I get why he used a lot of terms like that (knowingness is an object to be bestowed upon the person by scientology, it’s a nice round noun, yadda yadda) but hilarious.
Maybe somebody already said this but, did I read it right that she’s been in since 2010 and here it is 2015 and she’s only done Life Repair, the Purif and the SRD? And she calls that “moving up the Bridge”?
Must be donating a LOT to the IAS and can’t afford to “be on service”. After all, what’s more important to a 50-something woman? Going Clear and OT this lifetime or helping DM clear the planet (and her bank account)?
There’s some cognitive dissonance right there, baby.
The Directors Guild has nominated Alex Gibney for his work on Going Clear. That’s very promising for an Oscar Nom. hopeful. Paul Haggis was also nominated for a show he directed on television. But then that’s just him trying to get attention.
+1 on Paul Haggis just trying to get attention. Yep. That’s all it is. 😉
You mean Paul wasn’t just doing his job?
It’s sad about people like Dina, not only because they’ve been duped, but at her age she could be starting to have cognitive issues, and not be able to reason through the deception. There’s a reason scam artists target senior citizens, and there are agencies to help. I think Dina’s family should take her testimonial letter and show it to an elder abuse official for financial exploitation.
A scam artist got to a wealthy distant family member. She “befriended” Marge and eventually conned her out of $300,000 for an “investment” or whatever. Her son got wind of it and informed Florida officials. They investigated. No prosecution resulted but at least it got rid of the con artist.
As far as the scio-scam who knows. If they even accepted a complaint without following up it would at least be part of the public record. Blowback to the person filing the complaint would need to be considered.
Scientologists giving all their money to the cherch in their wills is also something to consider.
A couple of problems with “elder abuse” angle. The minimum age for elder abuse starts at 65, and she may not be old enough to qualify. Also, you would have to make a case that she’s being exploited because of her age, i.e. her senility affected her judgement, which is hard to do when there are 25 year old $cientologists who are just as delusional (and give all their hard earned money to the church).
Jethro – Good points. Maybe “duress” could be brought up since most senior citizens like myself have no kognutave issues.
I appreciate the enthusiasm of Dina and Georges in their optimistic vision of huge waves of theta transforming the world. That of course means billions of individual people undergoing fundamental changes. That’s a heck of a lot of people who will have to crowd into the orgs. I hope the orgs can handle such volume. But let’s save that worry for later. Right now we need to worry about how to get people to watch a scientology infomercial on an obscure TV channel which is competing with The Game of Thrones and reruns of Cheers.
Before people can tune in they have to know about the new exciting scientology infomercial. That will require an advertising campaign. Then a hypnotic, antiemetic suggestion will have to be transmitted during the program to suppress the viewers’ urge to vomit. Once the curious viewer enters the org the fantastic wins will seal the deal but that doesn’t handle the problem that scientology has NEVER fundamentally transformed anybody! Oh well, I think those minor snags will work themselves out. Okay everybody, get ready for a tidal wave of theta!
Dave,
Still no identifying signage on DM Studios (the SuMP), just 3 security guards checking out their new Jeep Wrangler inside the gate. Your positioning is appropriate though; being adjacent to ‘the largest concentration of the homeless encampment’ on Sunset Boulevard.
Over at your “Test Center” (Information Center) on Hollywood Boulevard: who is guy in black garb, shaved head, lying on the sidewalk while painting the curb? Was he spared The Hole or did he escape?
Dina Greenway is being manipulated and exploited by the Church of Scientology as we all were manipulated and exploited by the Church of Scientology, because she has a sincere desire to help, as did we. She believes what she is told by the Church because she trusts the Church, as did we. She is glowing and feeling good, as we glowed and felt good, because we trusted and believed that we were helping.
Inevitably she’ll find out that she was duped, her trust misplaced, her desire to help exploited and that all her altruism was for naught. Her confront of evil will be considerably raised, as was ours. Hopefully, like us, she’ll make the distinction between the natural desire to help and misplaced trust, and that baby will not be thrown out with the dirty Co$ bathwater.
Great post!
My Scientology experience taught me what “confront of evil” means. Until that experience I thought evil to be pain, suffering and degradation. No, evil often has a charming facade and offers a helping hand and other enticing deceptions before leading one down a path to degradation. It is the charm, fake help and deception that one must confront and see through.
Ok, one more comment, then I’m really done. Dina’s final words were: (quote) “…We truly are only as valuable as we can be helpful”.
Think about this, it’s very disturbing. In this context, reading her words, it implies that anyone who is not able to be “helpful” to Scientology by being able to give money to them… has no value.
It’s stated clearly and simply. What will she do when she no longer has funds to give… and they abandon her as having “no value”?
Very disturbing.
Disturbing?
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Ljkoh_vmE
Just an FYI – I never click on a link unless I know what it goes to. I don’t like to be surprised! It may be that others feel the same way… would you possibly think about putting a little explanation or description of what it links to? Thanks much!
(PS: this was meant to be a light suggestion in a friendly tone – but it’s so hard to convey the intent via printed word, so please do receive it in the spirit intended, and not as a mean comment or reprimand or whatever, ok? Gracias! Best wishes for a great evening). – T.J.
It’s George Bernard Shaw advocating mass murder.
Thats what i caught too. The idea that you are only valuable when fulfilling the goals of sci. However i have to disagree with Walksoftly. Focused intention through prayer, remote influencing or spell castng can influence outcomes. Dont expect acceptance of that point. Its something you have to experience for yourself. It is what both hubbard and crowley attempted, but neither could achieve, because both were shams and frauds.
Mikes photo today tells it all. People who fall or fell for scientology did so because they were or are suckers, and theres one born every minute.
If thought could influence outcomes we would know it to be so. It would be common knowledge. There is no evidence for it and there have been plenty of clinical trials to test it.
I wouldn’t be so quick to put words in Mike Rinder’s mouth, JimJam, nor to evaluate that we all were suckers or we wouldn’t have gotten into it.
People with good intentions, social personalities, believe that other people are just as sincere and trustworthy as they are until or unless proven (and REALLY proven) otherwise.
That doesn’t make them the degraded beingness of a sucker. Now, if they stay with that group AFTER seeing that the group is not all they seem, to me, that’s when the sucker status starts.
FYI, IMHO.
For sure. I hardly consider myself a sucker for having been a truth-seeking scientologist. Hubbardism looks authentic on the surface and there’s no denying the vitality one can experience from an auditing session or even doing an hour’s worth of hard TR’s. The revelation comes slowly and human psychology is structured to resist unwanted change. Most of us were smart and very idealistic people whose aims were considerably more noble than the average person’s. I don’t regret the experience for an instant nor do I consider I had been a fool for trusting in it.
Roger – Thank you for your post. For me it addresses that occasional regret of “wasting” a part of my life. That wasn’t the case. You “rehabbed the win” of that part of my life. 🙂
Another comment to Lori: you asked if the $5000 purse will hold your cellphone etc., better than the $50 purse… the answer is no, not really, they are made much the same. What the person is paying for is the “status” of having a $5000 purse… which is worth nothing. Same with paying for a “status” in Scientology. It costs a lot but you don’t get anything tangible for it. The person with the “status” of a $5000 handbag may go around with their head held high, nose in the air, with an attitude of I’m more elite, I have an expensive purse, and the same for the Scientologist, who feels superior for being awarded a trophy or certificate, for Platinum Emeritus or whatever status, thinking, I’m better… but what the rest of us do is laugh at them, thinking you paid How Much money for that? Someone has played you for a fool. lol.
As you can tell, I’m the type of person who goes for function over fashion. I like things that are well made, but not costly. I never hold people in high regard because they have expensive material possessions. The clothes don’t make the man. The amount of money you have is not your ‘worth’, your worth is determined by the type of person you are inside. Your inner qualities and how they manifest to others in the world.
Sheesh, that’s a lot of moralizing today. Ok, I’m done now. :p ’bout time, eh?
Love, T.J,
as with expensive purse, the status one gets from making huge donations to SUMP only matter if someone understands the “value” placed on it. I can look at a Balenciaga or Birkin bag and know how much the person carrying it spent on it. or whether it’s a knockoff. This poor lady has a completely misguided idea of what her money is buying… she’d really be better off buying that $10,000 purse, at least then she’d have something to carry her possessions in when her roof falls in.
what always amazes me is that with the lengths that anyone in scientology goes to to “make things go right,” whether it’s getting money together, finishing an Ideal Org, vacuuming mud out of Tom Cruise’s hideaway, whatever, if that energy and money and hard working attitude was spent on actually worthwhile activities Scientologists really WOULD be making a difference. it’s so much wasted effort for nothing! so many people make truly superhuman things happen all for the benefit of a disgusting human being and his equally loathsome famous BFF. I get so angry just thinking about it.
I deeply regret the money I gave Ideal Orgs, WTH, Library Campaigns, CCHR and the IAS.
I regret it because it was money that went down a cult rat hole.
I could have given it to the desperately poor people of the 3rd World country in which I spent my early youth. That money would have fed, clothed and housed people there; it would have paid for medicine and operations and clean water for people.
Meanwhile, all it did was give some very tired ,stressed out staff members a bit of temporary relief. It gave them “stats”.
Well, at least it did that. They were people of good will. Deluded as they were, they meant well. I did like them, back in the day.
That’s life; live and learn, live and learn, from birth until the grave.
Aquamarine – Regret comes up for me too. I think writing it down (saying it so to speak on a blog) helps. I spotted one today on an above post, that being occasional regret over “wasting” a part of my life in scn. That regret may pop up again but it won’t be the same. This is not related to your post, but “Making amends to those we have harmed” might be necessary. (Not my think – comes from the AA philosophy)
Gold doesn’t tell you that it’s gold. You can tell what it is just by looking at it.
By that some token, if Tone 40 really existed, you wouldn’t need to tell anyone you were using it.
Yea, I know it was in print…
Hi asseenonokra, Good to meet you. I always thought that about Tone 40 into Infinity all along! Good point. Love,Ann PS Any spirit of either two – legged , four-legged etc can have Tone 40 regularly, to me it is the intention to want something and get it.I do that everyday. It is just in The Sea Org I thought it was magic, Ron was very wily with hypnosis including the written word. Dm I am not knowledgeable enough to say but what I see spells Danger.Love, Ann
Excellent observations above. A new look at tone 40 for me. It certainly applies to narconon. Ann – “the intention to want something and get it” That reminds me to not get lazy which is easy to do. That’s probably not what you meant but written words cause thinking which is a good thing that happens when reading your comments!
It is fascinating to read these types of comments. The ‘I dug my heels in and said haven’t I done enough?’ or the ‘I just finished a level’ or the ‘how will the roof get fixed?’
That’s just downright sad……NO ethical church or organization would pressure people to give money they clearly don’t have.
She obviously told them she didn’t feel comfortable donating more at that time…’I would bring up…..objections….’
Any other church would probably have raised the funds to help them fix their roof. I can think of countless times my church has either taken up a collection to help someone after a tragedy/difficult time. Or sent food or people to help around the house.
I understand the whole brainwashing thing, but why people fall for this, to use a favorite Co$ word, UTTER nonsense. ‘WTH alleviated all crime in South America but NO OTHER news source will tell you this’…….
WTH should stand for ‘What the heck?’
Key word being ‘ethical’. If someone is looking for ethica,l Scientology (and many religions/religious gurus) is the wrong place to look. One of the easiest ways to spot a scam-: is the leadership living in the same manner that is being expected of you? Are they expected to go in debt? Allow their roof of their home to rot? Go without medical care? Food?
Ugh. This is all so frustrating/disgusting.
WalkSoftly, I totally agree with you and feel your frustration and disgust with this situation too.
Most of the “top leadership” of $cientology, except for David Miscavige, lead horrible lives. Over-worked, under-fed, under-slept, under-paid, etc. Just look at what happened to Mike Rinder and he was the head of OSA. Registrars from the IAS like Howard Becker used to make large donations to the IAS just to be able to say “Look at me, I did it too!” If anyone in $cientology is living the “good life”, it’s because Miscavige has a vested interest in it.
I’m seeing more and more “give ’til it hurts” testimonials lately. It must be their new “thing.”
The theme is, “give ’til it hurts and then make it go right.” They get people to say they spent more than they could afford and then somehow miraculously things worked out OK. It can work out for you too!
So this is the new button they push. What crap.
I would have never. ever thought a Nigerian email scammer would ever be trumped for being to locate a feeble minded sucker for which to relieve them of their money???
Yet, here is the evidence…
I guess the most incredible part of all this is that it’s actually happening. Sort of makes you wonder on what truly rides along in the bus with you, doesn’t it?
Just as Moulder and Scully hunt for it, “the truth is out there.”
Here’s the true religion test: “Remember there’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.”
Wish I could take credit for that one. But Frank Zappa said it before I could come up with it. So here’s to Frank..
Ah… Frank! He was some dude hey? RIP Frank, although I doubt he’d accept that sentiment. He was really something else, self educated composer and musician and very much opposed to mainstream schooling & organised religion. He rocked!
I mean, like fear sure! And like, gag me with a spoon. And bag that face. Well, duh…I’m a Valley Girl.
This is an addiction for her. She loves being appreciated and loved and they’re lathering it on big time.
I wonder what her personal life was BEFORE she tripped and fell into their hands. Maybe she was depressed, friendless, feeling worthless, sad, having ups and downs in life, trouble accomplishing her dreams… and now they’ve given her (quickly) a feeling of appreciation that she’s never felt before.
I wonder what her husband REALLY thinks about not fixing the roof. Does it rain much there? If it does, will the local scientology community rush to help repair the roof? I doubt it. They’ll be on their own to cover that plus likely another expectation of a donation…hope he doesn’t need peskly heart surgery or something similar (what a barrier!!).
The best people they catch are those that need attention and crave approval…and are hit with the normal ups and downs (grab them in a down!) of a real life as a human on planet earth.
Maybe all of us that were once in would relate to that feeling of relief when FINALLY someone sees you for something good and tells you. It really does make you feel better about yourself.
Good point there Toot.
Doesn’t it say somewhere, Honor Code I think, never to seek approval, praise or sympathy?
Another internal but always intentional divergence for money. Hypocrisy knows no bounds in scientology.
Hi Toot! Nice to meet ya. You’re spot on! — Especially it when it was they who told her ‘her personality suks’ in the first place, after she had taken their initial personality test! They keyed in and planted the seed of self-worth doubt and let it run its course.
“When I thought about what Ron did for us and what management is doing now, I had no option but to contribute instantly to SMP.”
Now that’s interesting reasoning. “Ron” declared his intention to found a “religion” because that’s where the money was. So why work for it? If he ever invested a dime of his own money in dianetics/scientology, that unusual event is certainly not part of recorded history. His attitude toward giving is not only clear from his exchange theories, but has proven itself an unforgettable lesson to anybody who ever loaned him money or put themselves into a position where Con could steal from them.
With all he did for scientology, Con died with $640 million (1986 dollars–he would have been a billionaire by today’s dollars) of his “own” after using the cult as his personal ATM. Tax free, one might add. Not bad for a D-List penny a word pulp writer.
Most amazingly, is he remembered as a robber baron? As the perpetrator of a “great heist?” Instead, he has managed to portray himself as a “humanitarian” and a sacrificial giver to be emulated. As Pete Townshend had it: “Don’t you know that the hypnotized never lie?”
The thing is, Ron H wasn’t that much different than Pat Robertson, Crefo Dollar, Benny Hinn etc. etc. etc.
Oh, absolutely! They’re all one in the same! Charlatans, all of ’em!
I imagine that there were, throughout the entire world, perhaps, a few hundred people who got onto a basic service as Dina did, in 2010. And, that, perhaps, a dozen or so of these are still “in”.
Just a guess about the numbers and the ratio. But I don’t think that I am too far off.
So, Dina’s a lot like we all were when we had been in for about 5 years. It seems that her early involvement is a lot like mine and others who persisted.
In my first few years I had some of my most exciting wins. I was still in a Class IV org, a thousand miles from any SO establishment, and the org staff were pretty much all friendly.
I would imagine that she’s single as well, like a lot of us were when we first got in. So, there’s little reality on the necessity of money when one is single; for me at least I was satisfied when there was food to eat and a roof (even a leaky one) over my head. When you’re married with children that reality changes. But, when I was single, something I believed in was good enough for me to give it all that I had.
So, I’d cut this woman a LOT of slack if I were to talk with her. She’s a lot like me and a lot of my friends here at Mike’s org when we first became involved – head over heels in love with the subject and ready to give it our ALL, and to give EVERYONE connected with it the benefit of the doubt. The “honeymoon” so to speak, is still on.
It’s likely she won’t wake up until she’s peeked well behind the curtains to see the brute force and greed that drives the management of corporate scientology and that won’t likely occur until she’s been the personal receipt point of a blatant injustice – and then she’ll have her “WTF??? Epiphany”.
Till then, my only communication with such people is “good roads, good weather” and “tell me your wins”.
Hi Dan Locke, Thank you for your post. What you wrote does make sense to me. Just sometimes I can’t help having fun with the still ins when I read their success stories! Bad Ann! Love, Ann.
Dean, I got a win just reading your post! Where you been?
I meant ‘Dan,’ Dan. Senior moment!
WOW! That’s the nicest explanation I’ve read for some time… thanks Dan, rings true for me too.
I cut her slack too. She was obviously regged within an inch of her life and succumbed and gave without being able to afford it. She’s probably in inner panic mode and wants/ needs to be told, “Well DONE! VERY well done! What you did was AMAZING! That was INCREDIBLE!…etc., etc.” I mean, she needs SOMETHING to make her feel better right now. Of course she has behaved like an idiot. Time enough for her to realize what a fatuous fool she’s been. We’ve all been thru this, and we came thru. She will too.
And as McCarran has pointed out, “Its not ALL about the money”. Money was given, effort was made, time was spent…she’ll have to deal with it, that’s all, possibly while her roof is still leaking and the bills are piling up unpaid on the dining room table. That sucks but it could be a great deal worse.
I remember the IAS registrars like Michael Roberts and Howard Becker used to refer to the phenomena of giving more money than your comfortable with as “Fourth Dynamic Case” gain. They also used to refer to the IAS statuses as the “IAS Grade Chart”. I know, sick and gross, but that’s how they got a lot of people to donate crazy amounts of money. It “works” for as long as the victim somehow manages to “make it go right”. When they don’t manage to make it go right, well they have bankruptcies, fraud/crime, divorces, illness, blows, murder, suicide, etc. But we don’t hear much about those from the IAS, we just hear about the “Wins and Cogs”.
Dan – So you would say nothing to dissuade such a person? “You pulled it in, you deserve it” (no sympathy) was part of my scn deprogramming.
+1. Good post Dan! 🙂
Hi Georges Sallouk. After finishing havingness rundown in 2008 and objectives in 2014 you are quite an accomplished fortune teller. Opening SuMP will reach the entire population of this planet and suppression will cease to exist… What did you smoke?
I’m guessing some great Indica Kush.
In keeping with its technologically-retarded habits, the CO$ is building a TV broadcasting system in a time where giving up cable and TV in favor of the internet is becoming the norm.
I mean, most people my age don’t have cable and don’t even watch TV. Ever. Advertisers are starting to feel that.
@Kemist, I don’t know how old you are, but I think you can leave out the “my age” I’m officially quite a few years past AARP age and don’t have cable and the TV I watch is Rokubox. My husband’s parents watch DVDs through their television set, they long since cancelled any of their subscription services. My son is an AppleTV guy and my daughter still has her Dish though she’s not sure why. Most people I know use streaming services no matter what their age.
SuMP will be going out over the airwaves (if they ever open their studios) to ummm . . . well no one I know. They should make tens of dollars through the 7 scientologists who sign up for their services.
I saw a post for a link to a FSM dinner to honor the FSMs that was held yesterday that someone posted on one of my FB groups yesterday. Of the 79 invitees, only 2 RSVP’ed. That to me is an indicator just how huge the response will be even within the bubble IMHO.
I’m not so sure they can get a frequency in LA, appeals to FCC and possible response to an already overloaded tv spectrum may stop them. My bet is they’ll buy time mostly on the higher channels with few viewers. Also possibly AM radio ala “Dead doctors don’t lie” a very poor fish oil sales pitch that somehow calls itself part of “The CBS radio newtwork”…
With conversion to digital, which has freed a lot of bandwith, I don’t think that will be a problem.
Unless they are stupid enough to build an analogue TV broadcasting system.
Frankly, though, that would not surprise me much.
Yeah, but since Scientologists aren’t allowed to go on the Internet, watch any TV that might be “entheta” or listen to or read most things, I bet the idea of a TV station all their own really pumps them up. if it ever does get off the ground, (and why would it since it’s such a cash cow for them without even being on the air or producing ANYTHING?) how much do you wanna bet it’ll be a subscription service or pay per view thing? as for advertisers, it will likely become another thing that WISE businesses will be forced to do, purchase advertising time.
We are tracking Sashie. I just had the same thought; the Still Ins will be paying for this TV Channel, somehow. Poor devils.
Val – “tens of dollars” LOL!
She says, “I just want the truth to be out there.”
A noble intention.
Misplaced with spades methinks.
I’m thinking, the Scn “reg”es must really have this down to a Science. It looks like they repeatedly did a tag team on this lady, (quote: “every time Tim and Ian would get in touch and tell me something new they needed my help on…”) and got her to give money that should have gone to necessary things in her life (such as roof repair) then she seemingly justified it to herself, and even urges other people to do the same thing, and this isn’t the first time we’ve seen this type of behavior. I remember one young man sold his new car to give money to the I.A.S. (he said, “man I really liked that car”). I don’t know how much of their ‘tech’ works, but their ‘reg’ training sure seems to be effective.
By the way I really really dislike the regges, and all salespeople who pressure you to part with your money especially for something useless, especially when you can’t really afford it. They get zero respect from me.
I wonder if the regges have a conscience, and if it ever bothers them, maybe late at night, when they are alone with their thoughts, and they recall how they took money from some person who couldn’t afford to give that much… or do they feel satisfied with themselves?
– T.J.
Hi T.J., A sobering post thank you.As letter reg those were good times for me, communicating with those from all over who wanted to come to Asho or learn more about the bridge. I loved doing that aspect although of course I was Koolaided!! When it came to Advance Scheduling for SHSBC & Class 8, my happy days changed like a lightning bolt. The pressure on me from my Div 2 superior became relentless and super intense. Now the game was each week get more money out of those who were coming for services by Any Means Necessary! Every Thurs at 2:00 my stat of those arriving and money they were paying was to be UP. So many all nighters on Wed and rooting thru CF to pull that millionaire out of hiding and get payment for all Asho stuff and if I got them on to Flag so much the better! Crushing is what it was. But as a good Sea Orger I sailed on trying to understand if all this was so incredible for humanity and the planet then it should be free. When I originated that to Qual Toothbrush Time!
I so apologize all these years later to anyone I hurt or made them sell cars and houses etc to get up the bridge.I am truly sorry.Now I want to help anyone anywhere to get out if they suddenly see the Dawn.My dear dear friend you make me think and re-arrange my viewpoint with your amazing posts.?Ann.
I can’t imagine the kind of pressure that must have been like? Are you seriously expected to pull in more money every week? That seems like an impossible task.
Hi Doug Sprinkle, You are so right, an impossible task indeed! But for me when a Sea Org Slave it was my mission to make the impossible possible every Thurs at 2:00PM. That is part of the Trap.Cosers know all and do all.Too bad they do not See all! Laughter,Love,Ann.
Yes, Doug, they are required to make more money than the week before. Week in & week out. Month in & month out. Year in and year out. Decade in and decade out. Lifetime in lifetime out. The cash stat must ALWAYS trending upwards or….some one is licking bathroom floors.
I say the same about your posts Ann. You cheer up the board with your friendly greetings and cheerful comments, and I love reading your recollections of the early days with LRH, your stories are so interesting! Please continue, we all benefit from your words. 🙂 I thank you also for providing your perspective on ‘regging’, honestly it helps me to understand the thought process and how good people can follow a course of action that may not be overall the most beneficial if they believe they are doing it for the right reason. We are all human. Love you! – T.J.
Ann,
That was an important comment, good of you to take the time to make it.
While victims of the mid-fuck perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $ciuentology are indeed at time victims and at time perpetrators, it’s important to realise that it’s the organisation which makes them do it and it’s the organisation which benefits.
Check out discussion of “undue influence” in the recent and recommended ‘opening minds: the secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing’ by Jon Atack.
I did Google search on this women Dina. She is non-existent, hardly any trace of her. Poor thing needs to get more acknowledgement. Mike your post is helping to get her more well known. Scientology is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
George’s statment: “Scientology friends, don’t ask yourself questions…” Was very telling, to swallow this, reasoned thinking needs to be avoided.
Poor Dina did help me with some things I’ve been unable to understand. The dichotomy of the intelligent, articulate, killer witty and insightful “exes” who post here prove that good, decent people are living in that bubble. Brainwashing IS real, the fact that Dina swallowed this whole as a fully formed adult in the age of Google search proves that fact.
Hi Justme, Just a thought here: maybe this advertisement is just to get the wealthy public jealous and want the same reward and recognition that Dina’s gotten for donating so much, even though her mansion needs a roof? (That’s just so unbelievable! A $2 mil roof? Oh, the poor woman! She’s sacrificing her high society status for the sci-fi’ or she’s giving up her lottery winnings.) I think the whole thing is a scam and she’s an actress. But I can be wrong, and if I am, she’s got to be the dumbest rich person I’ve ever heard of.
Scientology T.V. 24 hours of David Miscavige talking,
( the comma channel)
That’s what confuses me about SuMP. Scientology gives nothing for free, so what are they going to show? 24 hours of commercials and testimonials?
24 hours of Miscavige should keep people away in droves. He sounds like a loony. Anybody not in a coma is watching something else, even the paint drying.
I would not be the least bit surprised if they started pressuring each and every business in the WISE directory to purchase ad time.
Did you mean the ‘coma’ instead of the ‘comma’ Channel?
COMA is correct.
Not enough coffee this morning
and work day today
(I did get my Powerball tickets so not a complete loss)
No worries! I’ve been in many comas throughout my life. Many of them with bands. Hey! It happens!
Hi Jose, I guess there will be a lot of feet going through TVs!
SMP will unlock the theta on Earth .. yeah sure ,, only nearly nobody will watch it .. 99% of all people will never hear about this channel in this lifetime ..
Per Hubbard it is a wrong thing to watch TV .. it brings you down onto the effect scale in a fast run .. your ability to confront effort will go deeply down .. you can not unlock theta with media productions .. maybe some did .. but it were good guys with good ideas ..
I do not remember .. but Charles Bronson in Chatos Land gave me a good feeling about theta .. and Yoda in Star Wars .. and specially the One Armed Swortsman movie ..
In my opinion what happens is, a person achieves a gain in Scientology and wants others to do the same. Once achieved the person does not want to join the Sea Org. So the person mocks up facsimiles of being a Scientologist rather than be one and Sea Org members acknowlege the person with a service whether right or wrong. The problem here is why not join the organization one is donating millions to rather than holler from the bleachers? 🙂 Isn’t there enough patronizing of people going on in this world already that a church should patent how it is done? The possibilities are endless. 🙂
Don’t ask yourselves questions, and I give you this Tone 40 command?
My powers are greater than Tone 40, so, Doug, I now give you a Tone 80 Command to “Have a great day!” Did you get that?
I have once told my auditor about a Tone 80 command .. but he did not know what it is
What a piece of crap auditor that person was! Of course there’s a Tone 80. I use it all the time….
Thanks OSD. Can you give me a Tone 80 command instantly learn to surf.
Sadly, Grasshopper, that is a path you will have to walk alone. First you need to live near the beach. Any beach. And try body surfing first….
Saw on the TV the other day, a surfing, wave making machine. I thought, how cool is that! It was in some type of amusement park. Expensive no doubt, but like riding the wake wave of a large, powerful boat I suppose. Nothing like the sand eating, body crunching, breath denying experience of getting yourself in the true grip of nature’s immense power and working it all out. I was never very good but I’ve been out in 6+ footers at Narrabeen and Whale Beach Sydney a couple of times. Not for the faint hearted those breaks, scared the crap out of me, but that’s more than half the thrill!
Not bad, mate! Not bad at all. I sing about your surf spot when i do one of our Beach Boys song.
I truly have to say the beach scene around the northern beaches Sydney during the late 60s and through the 70s was a gift from heaven. Just brilliant… Jim Barnes/Cold Chisel mentions it too,
Sitting on the beach drinkin’ rocket fuels Oh Yeah!
Spent the whole night breakin’ all the rules Oh Yeah!
Mending every minute of the day before
Watching the ocean, watching the shore
Watching the sunrise, and thinkin’ there could never be more
Never be more
Anytime you want to find me
I ain’t got a telephone
I’m another world away
But I always feel at home, with my
Cheap wine and a three-day growth . . .
Ah, the fun years… I did get pretty good with the hand ski and fins though, damned near killed myself with a board more than once. Northern end of Sydney beaches are really tight in an onshore or southerly swell.
Woke up many times on the beach after some of the best parties on earth, and not always alone, love those surfie chicks!
Sing on Dude, the world needs people like you.
Saw Cold Chisel live once at a pub in western Sydney, I was feet away from the stage and speakers (never quite had the same hearing again). One of life’s magical and best experiences ever!
I do have a place in Florida but the waves are rarely big enough for surfing. I tried to postulate bigger waves but they weren’t listening to me
Hey Doug, a lot of it is a matter of location. East coast Australia can have a wild and at times violent sea. I’ve sailed the length of it and living by the sea was a big part of my life.
The sea here can be flat or 20+ feet.
I miss the ability to physically get in and amoungst it now but that’s what age does to you. OSD sings about the life of living in such locations.
Hey man, surfing is a locational ocean thing, I was lucky enough to spend by childhood close to it.
Hi Doug Sprinkle, Loved your post.So true when I asked why in Sea Org,yup that brought in all my lovely Ethics Officers etc with bad reputations!And Tone 40 X millions! Laughter,Love,Ann
I feel so sad reading these fliers. These poor people. What will they do,when SuMP doesn’t perform as promised? How will they feel, and how will they explain the failure away?
Today’s post was one of the saddest of a series of sad posts. It is so depressing.
Poor, poor, thetans.
When they fail, Wayne, and they most certainly will, they’ll just build another SuMP! Hey, you just can’t have enough SuMPs. So I say to the cult, SuMP on!
Yes,,,,Mr. Dude is right. On to the next sump. Just like on to the next level. On to the next service… Next lifetime… Next trillion yrs… Etc..
Someone got into Scientology in 2010?! Scientology, the most passé cult of our time…
That’s what I was thinking too, Thomas. Really, the only reason someone would join the cult in 2010 is they’ve never heard of Google or don’t know how to use it. Either way….her goose is cooked.
Hi OSD, I think the whole thing is a bunch of bullshit! LOL A senile old lady with $2 mil left to her name and not fixing her roof? Where are her care-takers? (The real ones, not the ones taking her $$$! LOL) 😉
Dina should have quit after Life Repair. But I understand her priorities. Not doing the roof doesn’t matter because dripping water does not affect a thetan and mest will eventually dry out. It is much more important to clean up governments and make them ethical than clean up the mess in your home when the roof caves in. Besides how ethical can a roof really be?
And Georges wants to unlock theta in one instant. This is the think these days…one shot clear….but didn’t Hubbard say there is no such thing? Oh well not to worry Georges at least you won’t have to spend all that time training when the all theta on the planet is unleashed at once. Better get yourself a theta fallout shelter Georges. It may not be pretty when SuMP goes online.
+1! Nice, Potpie!
I was reading Tony’s blog and this one today, thinking about the difference between the Mormons retaining their volunteer forces and members vs scientology.
They both ask their members for money, but Mormons only give 10% of their earnings then are allowed to stop. They are also allowed to go to the church run welfare house and get goods if they are low on food and no one looks down on them. They have no requirements as to when they attend services or not.
I would be willing to bet that between my immediate family and my husband’s immediate family if you took all the people who were practicing Mormons (it’s about a 50/50 mix) they have probably donated in tithing a combined excess of Platinum Meritorious over their lifetimes in tithing. They have done this without running up a single credit card, missing repairing a roof or mortgage payment while still putting their children through college.
People tend to look for the answer to their problems and will truly want to believe they have found it. They hold onto this “answer” when they are treated well and sometimes long after they are treated well. However most people stop believing in the “answer” if they are abused by the person holding the keys to the kingdom long enough.
I am not advocating membership in religion and would never voluntarily be a member of either group, however it is obvious why one group is shrinking and one maintains its membership, it’s all a matter of how its members are treated.
“My dear Scientology friends, don’t ask yourself any questions…” Oh my.
That’s how some ‘religions’ are… they encourage you not to think for yourself, only to have ‘faith’. I was posting over at a Muslim board recently (yes, I get around, I stick my nose into many things, not just Scientology, lol) :p and one man posted that he was having concerns, he wanted to be a good Muslim but was having doubts about some of the teachings; he disagreed with certain things he was instructed to do as a Muslim, he wasn’t sure if it was God’s word, he was doubting this, and asked what he should do…?
I posted: “think for yourself, give it a lot of thoughtful consideration, decide for yourself if you think it is a good thing to do, if it is right, or fair, or kind, or beneficial to others, to society… God gave you a brain, intending for you to think with it… ” But then the next man after me posted: “No, just shut all those thoughts out of your mind completely and pray for God to keep your thoughts pure and obey his word…” followed by several other Muslims posting essentially the same thing: “Don’t think! Just have faith… and do what you are instructed in the Holy commands”.
The Muslims are certainly not the only group that does this, I’ve seen similar from members of the FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints, the polygamous Mormon sect) and Jehova’s witnesses as well. In fact, many, if not most religions insist that members follow their rules and they do not encourage questioning. So this “don’t think for yourself, just do what you are told” seems to be a common theme.
*dislaimer: no offense intended to persons who are members of any group, I respect your right to follow any religion you choose, or to follow no religion if you so choose. I apologize if I have unintentionally upset anyone. Thank you to Mike Rinder for allowing free speech and thoughtful discussion in this forum. – T.J.
Now….where did I put my wallet? OMG!!!!! I asked myself a question! Good God! I’m going to lose my eternity now! Damn all questions!
Hi OSD, Now I can’t find my coffee! Wait I asked where my coffee was, the doorbell will ring any minute with a traveling sec-checker for evil intentioned DBs who ask too many questions! Love,Ann.
Noooooooooooooooo!!!! OMG, Ann B!!! You asked yourself a question! The repercussions will be Biblical!
Hi OSD, And I do know it! Years ago when I had to take a year of mythology ( what us liberal arts grads can use as party conversation smile ) a dude got chained to a rock and a vulture ate his organs better not be a Phoenix because I love the concept of re-configuring out of the ashes, but I do not care for Ron’s Lectures eternally as I advance. Love, Ann.
Elite millenium disseminator? How ridiculous at a time where the crime cult is getting soon expeelled from any credible power!!
Hi roger gonnet, Oh that elite millennium desseminator is so yesterday! Dina honey all you put out there as Truth is a horse of a very different color. I understand though because I ate everything Ron said or did with a huge spoon until I realized all I was giving and doing in Sea Org etc was for one purpose: to increase Ron’s wealth and now dm’s while he laughs all the way to the bank on the backs of broken families,bank accounts,and spirits! Not to forget the smashes up bridge! Enjoy all your posts.Love, Ann
Hi Mike, the smashed up bridge,Bad IPad! Love, Ann
The part I really like is how Georges had a “COGNITION” that we need Ideal Orgs right now. Now I understand how the MAA could tell my friends and family that I (OT VIII, Class 6) had had no case gain. That’s a COGNITION?
I also never had the ability to give a Tone 40 command in print and have that intention go through. I guess the MAA was right.
Ahhhh MAA’s….you can’t live with them and can surely can live without them.
OOPS….too many cans….does that make me a can-can poster? Either way I still don’t like MAA’s.
🙂 Definitely caught your drift. Some of those special brand of people called MAA’s are the second most evil people in the world – next to OSA.
Hi McCarran, Thank you for your post. I think about you because your story with cos what I read here, is just amazing.I admire you and am glad you post here.Love, Ann
The part I really like is how Georges had a “COGNITION” that we need Ideal Orgs right now .. you are like me .. he may also have a cognition to brush his teeth .. it looks like a general idea to have cognitions ..
Yea, I had a cognition that we need to renovate my house.
I just had a cognition that I’m very hungry.
Friend – LOL! I love it – that list could go on to the porch of infinity. “Wiping well after using the toilet” etc. etc. Oh wait, that’s already in The Way to Happiness pamphlet which others have suggested using for that purpose
Fixing your roof just doesn’t seem very pro survival.
@science doc. You are so right! Fixing your roof only becomes pro survival when the hole becomes large enough that pigeons roost inside, and even then it’s questionable because, hey isn’t squab a delicacy?
Before that, any theta human who is not PTS will not become diseased by allowing a little fresh air inside their dwelling from above.
I hope she soon cognites that paying her mortgage is also not pro survival. David Miscavige’s shoe collection is rumored to be shrinking. I heard he may have to re wear a pair of shoes he wore in 2003 if cash flow doesn’t pick up soon.
What? He may have to wear a pair of shoes he wore back in 2003??? My God! That poor, poor, dwarf. I’ll kick in some old tennis shoes if that will help…
I’ll go halfsies with you on a pair of Vans, Old Suffer Dude. Kids sizes are usually like $5 cheaper than adult I believe. Save a buck ya know…?
trip, as an old Scotsman, you don’t have to ask me twice. I’ll be glad to split it with you! Certainly Vans will be fine. However, I hope we can find kids shoes small enough for the dwarf. I mean, everything is so small about this person. EVERYTHING….
BTW, trip, (clearing throat) Ahem, Old SUFFER Dude? Really? The only thing I suffer from is an abundance of happiness! I mean, I live at the beach and still surf and play in my rock band. So…no trip, I’m not suffering at all…
Oh my. What a bad typo…I am so sorry.
Hi Trip Mills, you’ll still have to kick in more $$$. ld has to get sturdy lifts put in all his shoes. LOL 😉
When I read things like this, it makes me think of how we are all bombarded with false promises for products all the time. Whether we are buying into a religious “service” that is going to improve the planet, or a wrinkle cream that is going to erase time, or a $5,000 purse that will change your life, it really is buyer beware. The old caveat “If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is” applies. If there was a wrinkle cream that took 20 years off of your face, wouldn’t there be a run on the product on all corners of the earth? Is a $5,000 purse going to hold your wallet and cell phone any better than a $50 purse? If Scientology really had the answers, wouldn’t there be people lined up at the doors to get in? Instead of thinking “This product is the answer” try thinking “What evidence is there that this is the answer”. Most of it is PR spin, whether it is for wrinkle cream or clearing the planet.
@Lori. Exactly so. Observing how/what they are doing is what matters, NOT what they say they can/gonna/postulate/wishify in the future. If it worked there would be no need to advertise. If it doesn’t work no amount of promotion will change that fact.
When I was in and clashed with the outrageous promo I often excused my disbelief by reminding the staff that I was born in Missouri, where the state motto is: SHOW ME.
(Or, for my Latin friends: Salus populi suprema lex esto)
I lived in MIsery, I mean Missouri, for a few years in grad school, even took Latin then, but I didn’t know that motto. Thanks!
I’ve seen people apply ‘magical thinking’ like this to the rosary. Or to images of the Virgin of Guadalupe (etc..) (if we pray constantly for x number of hours/days, or venerate this image consistently for a year or–whatever, abortion will be wiped from the face of the planet!!) At least this doesn’t generally scam people out of their hard earned cash (although this isn’t always true, either today and especially historically). Religion has a notorious history in the area of manipulating people out of their money. L.Ron knew that, it’s why he declared his scam/philosophy a religion.
Good points Lori S! 🙂 Same thing for your post jrfool. (just curious, why the name jrfool?)