This “success story” looks like it might have been written by Dan Sherman.
5 paragraphs of words that mean nothing with no conclusion.
SUPER POWER COMPLETION
OT VIII
FREEDOM MEDAL WINNER
California, USA
T I M B O W L E S
on the Confront and Cause RD of Super Power…
At this instant, well over seven billion people are striving to survive on this small planet.
At this very moment, newborns take their first breath over the span of Earth while elders sense their last upcoming.
As I write, there are billions crying, laughing, praying, failing and prevailing the world over. There is life-affirming justice and criminality. There are birthdays, reunions, ceremonies and funerals. There is psychotic war and blessed peace.
Today, I saw all this … simultaneously. I no longer wonder how Super Power could be the key to the New Civilization. If one can truly confront existence in all its ugliness and beauty, all its despair and hope, if one can affirm there are no actual barriers to one’s ability to reach and to help, then all that remains is the doing.
Thanks LRH, you’ve done it again! With great Freedom and Knowledge come great Responsibility. And so we work.
Contact Jeff Mintz at the FLAG office for more information on Super Power!
If I can accomplish the same gains by watching the BBC News I guess the “Confront and Cause RD” of Super Power isn’t much to write home about.
These sorts of “success stories” give success a bad name.
Tim Bowles has always fancied himself as a writer. He used to be an “in house” OSA Lawyer but was let go because he was ineffectual. Even his success story is ineffectual.
So much for “Super Power.” Would you really pay thousands of dollars for this?
Flag is really scraping the bottom of the barrel if this is what they have to promote as their big wins…
As some Previous-Ins state, I too had a handful of extremely useful and welcome wins. From training on the Levels — ideas such as: do not run an item that is not reading; always finish an item once taken up; do not attempt to run a non-reading item (called “cleaning a clean”). The Levels remain to me very helpful in interacting with people and listening to them, truly duplicating the person rather than, in conversation, driving the person batty or making a situation worse.
For me, what finally ended up happening was like sitting on a roof that had been caving in for a while: the years of attempting to get along well in this C of S group. The roof collapsed. Including, I realized (finally) the Tone Level of this group is Covert Hostility on money and Anger, at best, on everything else. Not the social tone, the actual tone. On the covert piece: so covert and sinister in fact that the people practicing Scientology in high positions do not themselves realize how hostile they are. They do not see how hateful and treat-everyone-like-MEST they actually are. Their covertness is hidden as well from them! They can’t see it, they don’t see it.
Now, that is covert. Being willing to look became a whole ‘nother sad layer of understanding what is written concerning 1.1 on the Tone Scale in Science of Survival book. I began to see these cleverly hidden pieces that spell h-o-s-t-i-l-i-t-y. A computer programmer might call such a not-easy-to-discover item an “Easter egg.” I wondered if Scientology was a cosmic joke from LRH. He put considerable clues out there for any of us to spot, including one of my favorite knicker-twisters from him: “Religion is always different than truth. It has to be because the only way you can control a people is to lie to them.” From the LRH lecture titled Overt Acts, Motivators and DEDs recorded 25 June 1952
I plan to keep moving forward with the good stuff I did harvest in this journey, knowing though and never forgetting the darkness underneath that also accompanied any meaningful victory. Including realities that I never knew regarding how so many staff and Sea Org members are treated. As a public (former), finding that out is sure evidence as to what a colossal 1.1 organization is the C of S. It’s just super sad, because there are a number of helpful pieces in the training and in having a good auditor who practices The Auditor’s Code.
I knew Tim Bowles for years and never heard him say anything that wouldn’t benefit his narcissistic personality. He will write or say anything to make himself look amazing. The fact that he is still stuck in scamology is proof of his intelligence.
Off topic: just saw on the Bunker Joy Villa in a red Trump Cap with “Make Disconnection Great Again” shooped onto it. She’ contemplating running in some capacity for political office in FL in order to send “the rhinos” (sic) a message. Too funny. Earth to Joy: if you’re going to bash them, its “rino” not “rhino”, you imbecile. Can’t wait for her to run. Maybe we could send her a “Make Xenu Great Again” tee shirt? LOL, seriously, can’t wait!
I’m confused. This rant is unintelligible. Was he high from sniffing DM’s butt?
Oh come on Scientology. Seriously?
What did Scientology do?
Doing what they always do…sitting on the side lines watching the world go by.
What didn’t they do?
Same here in hot and crispy northern LA county. Thanks Mike
Same here in cool and nice Huntington Beach. Thanks Mike!
You are not receiving your daily Mike blog either ? Maybe it’s the Catalina, Eddy !
Speaking for myself, the epiphanies that I’ve experienced since leaving Scientology and deconstructing it’s ugly machinery, piece by piece, gear by gear, and coming to terms with what I’d done to support Hubbard’s evil construct has been far more transformative, lasting, and meaningful than ANY of the ephemeral gains I experienced while “in.”
(Not to mention the comparative financial cost!)
Indeed Len, blowing was my biggest gain in Scientology. Lol!
And, you got your old life back, Brian! I celebrate your leaving the cult. That shows that you have real Super Powers! Congrats!
Super powers… roar!!! Hi Surfer Dude!
Sup, Brian? Actually, we all have the power to just walk away from the cult. All anyone has to do is demonstrate their power. It’s as simple as that.
“… all that remains is the doing.”
Uh, yeah. The doing. That’s like saying that in the marathon I’m running, all that remains is 26 miles 385 yards.
It does read to me like, “All this stuff is happening in the world, and I’m just noticing that as I write something that I have to write.” It also points to the fact that such noticing things that need doing isn’t the same as doing them. If you ask me, this guy is close to popping his own bubble. The next sentence would be, “I notice Scientology is not feeding the millions of hungry people, nor giving to any of the billions who are less advantaged, nor doing anything at all to decrease suffering on the planet; but is meanwhile creating unnecessary suffering by issuing ridiculous SP declares and threatening more SP declares if its disconnection orders are not heeded.” It can’t take that much awareness to notice that breaking up families does not “reach and help” anyone.
“If you ask me, this guy is close to popping his own bubble.” 🙂
Ok, I really tried to read this, I promise. I re re re re read this. I tried to figure out WTF he meant. My guess is this is what he really meant:
“I have no clue why this rundown is a “thing”. However, if I don’t write a success story that someone believes is worthy, I will be sent to sec checking so here is a word salad worthy of LRH. Thanks for showing me the way LRH.”
That’s exactly what he said Valerie!
” Please, Please don’t think I’m disaffected. Leave me alone and I promise to perform like a good little clam.”
Am I in the minority amongst your readers here? I have had plenty of wins with Scientology and have written many success stories and never been insincere.
Why this scoffing and ridicule? To what end or benefit to ourselves or others?
I believe that there are plenty of good Scientologists who have real gains and treat each other well.
I have come out of many sessions with views similar to Tim’s here. Perhaps mine might have been given a better grade from one of our English teachers; perhaps not. But who says that he was writing this with the intention that it was to be published and sent out as promo?
I don’t see anything wrong at all with people getting wins and speaking with huge confidence like this. There were plenty of sessions that I came out of feeling amazing and ready to “take on the world”. I felt “dangerous to the environment” and all that.
One of the many pitiable things about Scientology is that the enforced disconnection policies really get in the way of a Scientologist being a Scientologist. It’s one of the few things that never made sense in the group dynamic. Sadly they were apparently put in place by Ron himself, and we can’t blame DM for their introduction.
If Scientologists were encouraged by their management to use the powerful information in the basic auditing series and Dianetics ’55 and were to get on the sane side of the “You Can Be Right” HCOB, than we’d all be talking with each other (the exes and the “ins”) and their could be adjustments. And I don’t think that a lot of these onlines people would be suffering from the experience. Living a life without dissident views doesn’t build strong mental muscles!
How amazing it is that this group’s management wants to take on the world, with all the “war, criminality and insanity”, but runs away from talking with any of its former members, many of whom still wish the current members well?
That’s my hope amongst the “ex-community”; that we encourage Scientologists to behave more like they know Scientologists should behave: with some guts and persistence and a real use of communication as the universal solvent it can be.
The whole disconnection idea is weak and namby-pamby. It’s been implanted in Scientology, but it’s arbitrary and anathema to life, living and loving.
There’s a policy letter somewhere where Hubbard said “We are essentially breakers of ‘now-I’m-supposed-to’s”…”
I suggest we do not belittle our old comrades (the “in Scientology” people) but ask them to do more of what “Ron, the Philosopher” encouraged, and less of what “Ron, the Bureaucrat” demanded.
It’s indicative of the decline of scientology that this is a “success” they are willing to publish for the most highly touted service ever…
True, you’d think they’d have better choices.
Mike, having worked in Qual for years some success stories are trite, some are great. Yes, perhaps the vetting for publishing this one could have been better?
I dont think the problem is “vetting”… I think the problem is that they have shit “success” stories to choose from and have become so convinced that if someone says “LRH has done it again” then it’s “g-r-e-a-t” and “a-m-a-z-i-n-g”
I’m sure there are some genuine success stories. But more often than not they’re forced. You can’t say, “That was an OK course, not great, but OK.” If you said that, you’d have to start jumping through hoops as to why it wasn’t “GRRRREAT!” It’s a rigged system. Again, not saying that there aren’t any wins that could occur. But you never really will know for sure, will ya? Because they’re all GRRRREAT!
Superb comment, Dan Locke.
I think the basic outpoint causing all the trouble is explained in your own question: “How amazing is it that this group’s management wants to take on the world, with all the ‘war, criminality and insanity’ but RUNS AWAY (emphasis mine) from talking with any of its former members, many of whom still wish the current members well?”
I have asked myself this question many, many times. If the they couldn’t and still can’t confront talking to ME – if they think I”M an “SP” and so extremely dangerous to them as to necessitate orders that ALL contact with ME be cut off, how the hell are they even CLOSE to confronting those on planet Earth who are REALLY doing in their fellow man with evil acts and intentions?
In my view it gives the lie to ALL of their “wins” and “successes”. Its a Contrary Fact and IMO is the Why creating a serious situation that in turn is creating all the other situations. And it all stems from LRH’s Disconnection policy. Seriously flawed with its own built -in failure mechanism!
Exactly. To me, as a never-in, the disconnection policy is the $cientology that L Ron Hubbard intended and the vague feeling better about oneself merely the hook by which to land the fish.
Sorry, Dan.
Everyone one of mine was forced. And I refused to attest to the fake state of Clear.
Because, Dan, you could have gotten the same wins elsewhere for half as much money. Period. Scoffing and ridicule? When Donald Chump does that, its called “telling it like it is.”
Hi Dan;
Very well written, very sane viewponint.
” Am I in the minority amongst your readers here? I have had plenty of wins with Scientology and have written many success stories and never been insincere.
Why this scoffing and ridicule? To what end or benefit to ourselves or others?
I believe that there are plenty of good Scientologists who have real gains and treat each other well. ”
Dan,
It’s the last five words that I would take issue with. ” and treat each other well.”
So ……. do they? The reason I deride in general is because I do not observe that to be true .. AT ALL! Nor have I experienced that to be true. I say the last five words are a LIE. Not necessarily your lie but when a member of the cult says that that is what they do ………………… I call bullshit. It is not what they do, it IS what they say they do.
Yo Dave,
Then DO IT good buddy. Treat each other well! Tell Haley to call her 96 year old grandmother who has never, ever, done anything but write letters and try to stay in communication with her granddaughter ever since she left for the See Ogre at age 16. Now Haley is 35. She won’t even acknowledge or receive a letter, phone call, nothing ……. from her grandmother.
Yo ‘The rest of you cult members that are having so many wins’,
If you share the viewpoint of Dan then treat each other well. He is trying to stick up for you. I on the other hand am doing something different with the stick ……….. like your buddy Dave.
With you all the way Dan. Best wishes. Great comment.
I believe I was an honest scientologist.
Now I am an honest ex scientologist and my biggest win ever is that I am free of the church.
What it gave me gets erased by how much it hurt me , it’s the balance thing.
If you put all the comments in a bag , the “for ” and “against ” and the ” in between” and pick a few at random , you would get all the contradictions and utter confusion on the subject.
And to each his own , but it seems at first glance that the “for” are in constant defense mode with an effort to convince . That is very “scientologic”.
The “against” are mostly outrageous and satirical.
The ” in between ” try to keep a cool head about it all.
It’s all good.
The coolest of all are Mike and Leah who are doing something about disconnection and abuses that nobody can argue about , happened.
“What it gave me gets erased by how much it hurt me , it’s the balance thing.”
Perfect. There it is, precisely.
In their own lingo, Scientologists wins and glowing affirmations of their own new found abilities is “glib”.
You’re so “powerful” now, guys?
Your space is “so clean”…nothing can strike you down anymore…yada yada…?
Great!
Yet you consider ME scary and a danger to you?
Apparently, I have the power to strike you down?
THAT is funny!
And kind of flattering, actually!
Its also sad, and pathetic.
Because you are so afraid and/or so unwilling and unable to confront even someone who calmly showed you LRH policy, yet you BELIEVE you are “so powerful”.
There are people in mental institutions with these types of delusions, you know!
See, if you KNEW that you were basically afraid or unwilling or unable to confront, that would be a step UP for you.
If you could just observe and acknowledge the truth ABOUT YOURSELVES, we here could understand.
But you guys apparently don’t even KNOW.how low your abilities along this line are.
Which is why we joke and degrade you, indefatigably.
Advice to Still Ins: Start walking the “I’m powerful” walk. We’ve heard enough of the talk.
OR, somehow, someway, get a GOOD LOOK at your own beingness and how CRAVEN it really is.
Either one or the other, and we’ll be here for you.
I had a balance thing once. I kept falling over.
Dan, thank you for your post. It is good advice. I’m not begrudging or invalidating Tim his wins, but his writing style does sound like he wrote it to try to impress people as to what a great writer or thinker he is. It comes off sounding affected.
He wrote, “If one can truly confront existence in all its ugliness and beauty, all its despair and hope, if one can affirm there are no actual barriers to one’s ability to reach and to help, then all that remains is the doing.” Yes all that remains is the doing. This is where the C of $ falls short, on the actual doing. While most churches have soup kitchens and many ways to help those in need, and they do in actual fact help those in need, the C of $ gives no real help and just does photo ops of its VM’s in action, all few of them.
I also had many wins from Scientology and never felt like I was compromising when I wrote success stories, or that being a Scientologist turned me into a serial liar, as some have suggested.
There were always many problems with the organization itself, even back in the day.
Anyone who thinks that the time when LRH was running things was the Golden Age for Scientology either was not there or has a very selective memory. Having said that, there is no doubt that everything became much worse after the Poison Dwarf took over.
There were some of us that were willing to tolerate a great deal of nonsense from the organization because we were happy with the results and the tech. When I started in the mid 70s, prices were reasonable and it was OK for Scientologists to have money without being expected to donate it all. There was no IAS, Ideal Org Program or any of the other fundraising scams that we know and love today.
There were many bad things going on with the Guardian’s Office, but very few people knew about them at the time. I certainly didn’t.
I left for more than one reason:
Excessive regging for donations.
The organization had become so corrupt that it was no longer possible to obtain services without risking financial ruin and severe emotional distress. (There had always been random obstacles. In time, these became insurmountable.)
Finally, it was getting on the internet and finding out some of the actions being done that I could not condone.
In some cases, these were new abuses introduced by DM. For example, it was fine for Sea Org Members to have children when I was a staff member and I was very shocked to hear decades later about forced abortions. In the 70s and 80s, there was no such practice.
Cavalier wrote:
“I also had many wins from Scientology and never felt like I was compromising when I wrote success stories, or that being a Scientologist turned me into a serial liar, as some have suggested.”
Please, I would love to read some uncompromising, truthful success stories- even two or three, with context and background and as devoid of LRH-speak as possible. Even one story arising from an auditing session would be great. But in years of following LRH and his adherents I have yet to see a single sensible win story – not one. They are all mish-mashes of word salad and hyperbole, undecipherable by anyone, even the most adept church historian.
Please show me a few win stories that prove me wrong.
p.s. anyone not lying while in Scn was not much involved in CoS attacks against its critics, not deep into writing KRs, not participatory to very much staff or SO infighting, never lied by fudging a stat or a project outcome, and thus hardly a Scientologist at all. Celebrity, perhaps? Public dabbler?
“There were many bad things going on with the Guardian’s Office, but very few people knew about them at the time. I certainly didn’t.
I can relate to that.
On the other hand, there are people who are walking around with cancer cells in their bodies, cancer in its beginning stages, and they don’t know it. They don’t feel any pain. But its there, and, untreated, its a killer.
The above is my metaphor for what was going on in the Church of Scientology starting when LRH formed the Sea Org. He was running from the law. Cancer cells injected into a healthy body is how I see it.
Hi Dan. The problem is that LRH’s words are all seen to be as infallible and unquestionable to the practitioner. If the guru said it, it must be true, therefore disconnection and fair gaming can never be eradicated from the practice of scientology.
Other more palatable, less malevolent religions and benevolent spiritual paths can also lead to the feelings you described from certain aspects of scientology. You never needed a cult leader like LRH in the first place. This is what I would like all practicing scientologists to understand.
Dan, in short it is because Hubbard was full of shit. His “tek” in NO WAY works as he said. Hubbard was a serial felon and a scam artist.
Pretty damn simple. Though you’ve asked this question in one for or another before and got similar answers.
That about nails it.
Thank you, Dan Locke.
Freedom of expression is far more important than your wish to not be “offended”. Strap on a pair. Encourage scientologists to do the same. Muslims too, for that matter. This isn’t UC Berkeley. No snowflakes or “safe spaces”. No screaming at the sky. A religion that makes such huge claims for itself must not be immune from criticism and especially not from satire. End of.
I never said that I was offended, so there’s no reason to put the word in quotes. I suggest that you strap on a pair – of reading glasses.
I know you never said it (there is more than one use for quotation marks). Yeah, you don’t sound offended at all…
Hey Dan – I remember you back on the Bolivar in the early ’70’s and was very happy to see you here and that you are doing well.
I was at a loss on this success story thing as well when I first began reading comments on this blog and similar blogs. Then I found out that it is now (and has been for awhile) MANDATORY to not only write a success story, but to have it APPROVED before it is final. Neither of these actions were policy when I was in the church (although writing a success can be an added good indicator, as a CS for many years, if the EP was there, yet the person chose not to write a success, that was fine with me and I moved them on). This is ENFORCED, plus, from my understanding, Tiny Fists MUST be thanked as well. If the success story is not up to whatever arbitrary is mandated, the person could very well be sent to the Reg to be forced to buy Sec Checking as well as a visit to Ethics, so you get these people writing a success story with the main purpose of keeping themselves out of trouble.
As an ensuing product of these enforced actions, no wonder success stories are AppleBox Boy shit.
Mr. Dan Locke says, with all apparent sincerity:
“There were plenty of sessions that I came out of feeling amazing and ready to “take on the world”. I felt “dangerous to the environment” and all that.”
I am speaking only of auditing here, not the feel-goodery people get from being in a group working toward a goal (no matter how non-sensical the goal) or from gaining insights from study and reading (but not all study and reading is time well spent.) If an amorphous post-audit sense of feeling good, feeling confident, feeling powerful is all the CoS has to offer, it’s not much, and certainly nothing greater than other people experience all the time out in the real, that is to say wog, world.
Humans feel good, confident, or powerful as a result of many life experiences: waking from a refreshing sleep, feeling the endorphins flow from exercise or hard work, graduating after years of schooling, earning a well-deserved promotion or better job, telling a hard truth, or just holding a loved one and feeling loved in return.
Normal uplifting life experiences do not require following the tenets of the CoS. There are undesirable CoS tenets like: constant unaffordable financial donations; family-destroying disconnections; working abnormal hours with too-little pay, food, and sleep; adopting a whole thought-stopping vocabulary; lying with impunity as a religious observance; personally attacking those either in disagreement with the church, or just seeking the truth about the church; participating in non-scientific and possibly unhealthy doses of chemicals; or simply accepting that to join one must sign away legal rights and agree that being lied to by the CoS is perfectly legal and good for your eternal being.
I’ve yet to hear of any Scn wins that can be told in simple language, other that someone felt something after an auditing session. Being required to write up wins and have them reviewed by upper echelons guarantees those write-ups have a positive slant. Has anyone in Scn regularly written that the auditing was a travail of endless badgering for sexual details, or that one went into a dangerous dissociative state during auditing? No, or if so, the next stop on the can can train would be a lengthy and expensive sec check.
LRH designed auditing with certainties in mind – that afterward the person being audited would feel something. It is the nature of command hypnotism to make this happen. It is the nature of the entire money-making scam of Scn to make sure its adherents deny any hypnotism ever took place, ever, even though LRH bragged about being a hypnosis adept.
I suggest the first after-audit feeling of an experienced auditee might be “damn I’m glad that’s finally over,” followed by “I can’t believe I just spent a thousand bucks worth of an intensive for that crap,” then immediately with “now I gotta write up some wins language that will pass muster upstream.” Anyone feeling anything else should go look up ‘command or authoritarian hypnosis’ to understand where post-hypnotic euphoria comes from.
Looking things up – that’s like word-clearing, right? What LRH teaches? So why not look things up…
I fully agree with Wynski, who wrote:
“Dan, in short it is because Hubbard was full of shit. His “tek” in NO WAY works as he said. Hubbard was a serial felon and a scam artist.”
I hate it that his scam was so powerful that it still affects his adherents, even decades after he died.
Sadly, all his tech did was allow him to die in seclusion, a paranoid, sick old man with a bag of gold Croesus would envy, but without the company or love of any of his ex-wives or his many offspring. Sadly, too, with all his wealth he failed to share equably with his own flesh and blood, an act of insufferable self-absorbed narcissim.
I feel uplifted and amazing after a trip to an art museum, and that only costs around 10 bucks.
Funny, I experience the same results.
And I get similar gains from listening to great music. Was completely uplifted by the recent Lady Gaga concert I attended. And she had an incredible message: she would give up everything — fame, fortune and all — to save her family and her relationships with them. They are the most important thing on earth. And she meant it. She is a big believer in the importance and value of family.
Compare that to all the purported wins and uplifting experiences of scientology — all while it destroys families. Nothing can justify that. There is no fame, fortune or “eternity” that is worth destroying your family for. It’s just a different set of values, and scientology is on the wrong end of that stick.
Mike, in truth I left the organization for this very reason, back in the day. It was too weird with families and money.
Oh, I hear you Dan. Betrayal does what it does to people. I’ve seen the good side of auditing too and don’t have a problem with anyone using peaceable use of anything that makes life easier or more tolerable. I’ve had many “wins” too early on. With Scientology it becomes very personally challenging imo when the life and times of Hubbard become better known. The motives employed in his policy and often the opposite displayed by his secretive actions have become very destructive to those who trusted him or his publically presented texts. Maybe that is the aspect of man he tried hard to do something about but his means were just as insane as the things he tried to stop. But boy, the more I learn how he treated his own shipmates the more I despise him. He lied and did so consistently. It was and is by the efforts of others that the “tech” did any good at all but it never led to the freedom the followers of Scientology who sacrificed the most were led to believe. Otherwise we’d be free of the torment of Scientology management.
As far as I’m concerned the Scientology organisation needs to be erased, with prejudice if need be by the victims of it. It is their right and choice as I see it. For too long their basic human rights were used with wicked intention against them. How quickly victims are forgotten by those that seek to only see the world as they want to. The technology itself is “out there” now and it will live on as per the intentional choice of those that profess it works, never again hopefully because of the doom and gloom pressure of the consequences if we don’t. The Sea Org was Hubbard’s biggest fuck up! Putting military style discipline and cold remorselessness into any group pursuit achieves devastating results. But this apparent “all will be lost” if we denigrate basic Scientology procedures publically is about as much folly as saying all banking is bad because of greed. I have some faith is human selectiveness & persistence.
I wish only that people at large have an informed choice with their commitments. But life generally finds a way by some in it to make the best of something. To those the subject of Scientology and any betterment programs belong, not a bunch of money grubbers who love giving orders and oppressing others that get their way.
That was so well said.
In hindsight, I don’t think my wins were anything more than me hyping myself up in the environment of Scientology. Or the adrenaline or endorphin rushes of auditing.
That doesn’t mean they weren’t real to me at the time. I suppose I could get the same rush out of Independent or FZ auditing, but I don’t think there’s any lasting value to it.
With that said, I appreciate the point you’re trying to make about how some of the comments invalidate people who still feel their wins are real, and that we do a disservice by disparaging or mocking what they have to say.
I’m not sure how to balance our own need to process what a horrible scam it was that led to us saying similar horse shit in the past versus encouraging others to question what they’re feeling. I’m curious how you’d balance those two goals. To me they seem impossible to reconcile.
In that comment lies the attempted academics of personal choice vs group compliance. I like your attempt to try to reconcile a “fair go” for everyone. The passionate side of life doesn’t have blanket rules, you’re only allowed to be you by courage, determination and willingness to hold your ground. It’s a pity common sense doesn’t come in with a manual, that you have to write for yourself (or not).
In many ways it’s a great shame Scientology resorted to such lies about what it’s capable of doing, (there is some nifty stuff in it). Offering self-determinism as a goal for all and then policing it with such things as disconnection and enforced subservience to a single source is just about as contradictory as it gets. It leaves a tough scenario to comprehend anything about Scientology other than deciding by evidence alone it has criminal intent about acquiring your money, life or both.
The dark side of life is well documented by Scio policy but is intentionally hidden within the social Scientology practices of itself if one really looks at it. To practice Scientology as presented is a guaranteed road to disaster.
“Why this scoffing and ridicule? To what end or benefit to ourselves or others?”. Yeah. That’s what I see too. Maybe Tim is a major douche, I have no idea, but as a general rule I don’t think it is healthy to constantly mock, deride, ridicule and make less of others. I mean, you better make damn sure they deserve it. That type of behavior is usually self serving, or rather, serves the ego. It makes you right, smarter and “better” than the stereotypes you are using. It is a popular hobby.
Mike,
In defense of Tim, the poor man has HAD to write a success story after each and every action he has taken in scientology. After so many years of doing this stuff Tim must have to dig deep to find anything superlative to write that he has not used numerous times already. And Tim must know he has to ‘perform standardly’ or get the consequences.
Therefore, out comes the lipstick and he puts it on the pig, hopefully on the right end of the pig, and moves on to his next awe-inspiring, mind-blowing, super-superative, experience of his lifetime. Or maybe even pole dancing.
Actually T I M B O W L E S is demonstrating a win. He writes a success story that is accepted and published. He did not even mention davie. (That is a show of power.)
Same success stories I’ve been reading since 1972. You saw these about the grades, clearing course, R6, all OT levels, L’s, etc. Amazing I didn’t see through it all before.
In order to keep my sanity about falling for this cult is, I keep repeating in my head over and over and over again the Code of Honor line: “Never regret yesterday, life is in you today and you make your tomorrows”. Which I’m sure he stole from someone else.
“Never regret yesterday, life is in you today and you make your own tomorrow”.
That’s my mantra also, Ms. P.
That LRH may have gleaned this from another source and reworded it and claimed it for his own would be interesting to determine but its not a high priority for me.
Frankly, I think anything LRH wrote that makes sense and can be successfully applied to live oneself a happier better life while assisting others to do so, are data he gleaned from other sources, codified, re-wrote and made his own.
Basic workable truths have been around a long time and have been written in many languages.
Does it work? Can it be applied? My own “checklist”. 🙂
Aqua – love your comment, I’m with you!
What is this? The AMA denounced Dianetics/Scientology early in its history and this delegitimized it as a science (e.g. peer-review fail).
Confront is not a scientifically or medically recognizable ability. So not being a science-based or medical-based ability, what does the spiritual-ability of Confront really do for one? My guess, nothing… unless you’re a professional Ghost Hunter.
HAVING SUPER POWERS THAT AREN’T THERE:
My x wife was an OT3. I did not even finish my grades. I was in at a time when stable exterior with full perception was an advertised attainment by the founder of Lie-in-tology.
In the beginning of our relationship I asked my wife to do some tricks; leave the body and do stuff.
She then had me read what a hidden standard was as to why she could not be an OT when she was an OT (I think my brain just farted).
Ok, I read it and then my mind shut down. The effect of reading hidden standard somehow made my desire to see proof of claims invalid and wrong.
It was a moment of cognitive dissonance for me. It’s possible that cognitive dissolve was a lot of my Scientology experience.
So here she is — an OT, convincing me that wanting to see her demonstrate the state of OT is an illogic on my part.
Therein lies the mental trap of Scientology.
Scientology: the science of destroying the difference between imagination and objective truth. Hubbard was massively talented at Gaslighting; its always something wrong with us for not comprehending Ron’s world of make believe.
I think you will find that there were many “old” OTs who could do some of these parlour tricks some of the time, but most couldn’t because of the NOTs case, or could for a short while. I did old OT7 and I could do some of these tricks, and I have talked with many people who told me the same thing, but it wasn’t permanent because of the NOTs case.
Are you trying to imply that those who have now completed NOTs now have permanent abilities to do “parlour tricks”?
How about being exterior with full perception?
Without being cryptic, but rather guarded, see the NOTs EP. The answer to your last question lies there. As to the first question , you need to ask that to someone who has fully completed NOTs and then done or rehabbed the older OT levels.
Oh how typically obtuse of you.
Without being cryptic? Hahaha…
I was obtuse once. But, I finally lost the weight.
Good, OSD. Now you’re just abstruse.
LOL! Now that’s some funny shit! Nicely done. Still laughing. Abstruse. Indeed.
Actually the “obtuse” lies with you as as you might have discerned I didn’t really want to state the NOTs EP as Brian might want to meditate about it on his back porch. But read it, and think about it.
” Without being cryptic, but rather guarded, see the NOTs EP. The answer to your last question lies there.”
Another boatload of bullshit. Why not seek employment with your mentors at OSA FP?
You can practice being exterior with full perception with the guys and gals that use it everyday to peer into the lives of those they are so interested in owning and controlling. That must be why the cherch needs to hire PIs rather than use the abilities that are commonplace with any Oh Tea clam in good standing……………………………that has done their levels the new way, the old way, the GAG One way, the GAG Two way and every other way before and after 500 plus hours of staring at books, bottles and walls not to mention yelling at ass trays! Gheesch.
End of rant!
Just fuck off! Actually why I am even bothering to discuss things with creeps like you I don’t know. Go and chew on your ARCXs.
I fucked off right out of scientology because nobody could just give a straight goddamned answer. And nobody could just demonstrate those “abilities.” There’s always an excuse.
Are ARCX’s new sneakers or something ?
🙂 CG!
Excellent rant, newcomer! And, all true! Nice post!
WTF! the Bridge rewritten once again. I guess if you do it enough it’s got to work eventually. Enough monkeys typing on typewriter comes to mind.
We need more monkeys…
I was in Scientology since 1973, got “out” in 2,000. I never once saw any OT phenomena…ever. I’ve known a lot of OT’s. I’m not saying that this kind of thing, one day, won’t be able to be done. Maybe it will. But not at this, or any time by any OT Scientologist I’ve ever known. Just once I’d like to see a real OT win like: “I can now be exterior with full perception at will. Go ahead, hide something behind your back, I’ll tell you what it is every time”. If you can do it…DO IT! If not, then shut up. And I really don’t want to hear about one finding his keys or a parking space anymore. OT?…..Hiding with Big Foot.
OIC, you didn’t see any super powers because, THEY DON’T EXIST!!! They have NEVER EXISTED. It’s all make believe. There is nothing there. Period!
Well, thank you for that, Overrun. I mean, I was just about to share with all of you win I had today about finding my keys. It was Yuge. But now I’m feeling very invalidated and y’all will just have to wait for the next issue of Advance Mag to read all about it.
Foolproof, if you’d like to prove that the foolishness of exterior with full perception is a reality attainable from auditing…………
we need more than “I think you will find.” Thinking about finding means nothing. I was also around in the old days.
Please give us names. Only one will do.
Single handedly and with no effort you can catapult Scientology into the media and millions will flock to these processes through this demonstration of this spiritual attainment.
But somehow I think you will deflect, divert, deny and blame something or someone for some imaginary offense or short coming.
Science to be a science is provable by double blinded experimentation only.
I await your reply. I would love to be proven wrong.
amen Brian!
Count me in, Brian!
Haha! Poor old Brian has been waiting in the wings for a chance to sling what he thinks is mud in my direction ever since I pointed out he “ran” OTIII for 3 weeks solid (literally) without a meter, without receiving any setups, without doing OT1 and 2, without going Clear, and sitting on his porch (probably whistling Dixie), and making out he is some sort of expert on Scientology! Plenty of people have been exterior – thing is they are not going to bother having anything to do with people like you. You crack on with your version of “Buddhism”, which you’ve probably also squirreled, and let us know from the still parts of the implants you will be meditating about, how things are going.
Yes, I have been exterior. I’ve had amazing metaphysical experiences. A lot as a result of my will, prayer or postulate if you will.
I have them quite frequently. Just ask my wife.
The existence of our incorporeal nature and our capacity for “miracles” is not in question, in my argument. That is not my point.
Ron promised on the grade chart STABLE exterior with full perception.
You said you knew folks who have attained it. And I simply asked for proof.
And Foolproof, I do not expect an answer from you.
But!
Maybe I should be tested for psychic powers because I predicted that you would:
1) deflect
2) deny
3) divert
4) and blame someone (me lol!) or something
My next fashion apparel may be a magic wand!
Merry Christmas to you Foolproof. And may prosperity and happiness be yours and for the one’s you love. ?
Foolproof, you are such a troll! ( big non aggressive happy smile) But I won’t hold it against you. I know what it’s like to be in the dark and believe I’m saving the world.
You are fighting a fight you feel compelled to, that has the survival of the world at stake.
I can never win an argument against such a lofty goal. I’m just a wog.
Big hugs cutie pie ??
Foolproof, how many Foolproofs are there. I’m curious. I’m certain you are a few people
Wink wink nod nod
Well, you’ll have to wait from here to eternity for a reply as Mike has thrown my first reply to you and to Aqua out with the bath water. I simply pointed out that it is your dub-in as usual about being “STABLY” exterior. Mike won’t allow this though so you can walk around feeling smug for a while.
You ‘crack’ on? You can get treatment for that.
Why would one not want to demonstrate being exterior with full perception? Or ANY exterior perception. The COS will do anything to recruit new people. If just one OT could demonstrate that, there would be lines around the block, wallets in hand. Besides, the Amazing Randy will give you a million$. My stepfather used to say “Either shit or get off the pot” I think that pertains pretty much in this situation.
In other words, “Get the fuck out of your head or get off the pot?
Foolproof, you didn’t answer Brian’s question. Just saying.
I did, but it was censored by OSA!
Correct Aqua. Mike often doesn’t allow through non-answers. Ronbots often pretend to answer tough questions while just obfuscating and these get canned.
FP – I’m one of the few people here that will not throw the baby out with bath water. I will not invalidate mine or anyone else’s wins. I think the “tek” works some of the time, when applied correctly by some of the people applying it 100% by being taught by some of the people teaching them 100% correctly (hope you got that). Yes, we old timers had great wins back in the old days and I believe it’s because our auditors (and ourselves) really believed in changing the world. And so all of us had wins real or imagined because we all thought that “when the moon was in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars, then peace will line the planets and love will steer the stars, this is the dawning…….”
When I first got on this blog it wasn’t easy for me to read all comments, I didn’t agree with all of them. But I sat back, read, digested, researched and granted beingness. I was flabbergasted and didn’t comment on this blog for over one year of lurking. And I surely wasn’t going to argue with people.
FP – why do I bring this up? Because if you’re the auditor that you say you are with all of your training then you need to show that you apply it, how? Stop the friggin eval and inval. I know from which I speak because I am a trained auditor. I know that you want to make a point about the greatness of the tech BUT you are not going to change anybody’s point of view here on this blog. Arguing with Brian or anyone else is NOT going to make your point any more valid. Sorry to say, with your ranting you come across as the fundamentalist scientologist.
FP – chill and grant beingness. It’s OK for us all to disagree. Doesn’t mean we didn’t have wins back in the day.
Ms. P no one is saying to throw out the baby. However, the “baby” would NOT be nebulous “wins”. It would be the STATED ABILITIES GAINED per the grade chart. Show some babies and you will have an argument. Otherwise, there is no “baby” to throw out with the water…
Ms. P, you were the type of auditor that I would have loved to have.
I agree with you, there are obviously positive experiences in session and on course.
What I experienced as a low trained auditor was that my PCs had wins to the degree that I really cared about them. I actually experimented with this and sometimes just by consciously granting beingness I could cause a cog to occur in my PCs.
Then one day I was reading that there was research done on talk therapy.
They wanted to test the difference in effectiveness between a trained therapist in a professional session and a good friend lovingly listening to a friend in need.
They found that a friend listening with love, empathy and caring can have the same result.
The secret to a good auditing session then is really the same.
When the therapist grants beingness and truly cares for the client, the client will have realizations and profit.
Things were so much more relaxed in the past, I so agree.
“What I experienced as a low trained auditor was that my PCs had wins to the degree that I really cared about them.”
Nice, Brian, and Ms. P., I’m tracking with you both on this.
Wynski, I hear you as re the promised abilities gained for each level. Not disagreeing per se. When I was in and getting auditing from expert, very caring people, I sometimes got wins that seemingly had nothing to do with what had been promised. But auditing just releases POTENTIAL that’s been trapped, or obscured.
Potential to be able to do is NOT the ability to do, and in that I completely agree with you that the “abilities gained” promised on each of the Grades are misleading and not delivered necessarily via the receipt of auditing on those Grades.
I’ve know far, far too many Still Ins who could not only not communicate with anyone on any subject (Grade Zero) but with whom I had to be VERY careful about what I’d say. There was plenty they about which they couldn’t communicate! Examples of this abound and we J & D them mercilessly here and rightly so.
Going up the Grade Chart, OTs who not only could not make problems “vanish” (Grade 1) but who were mired in health problems, finance problem, family problem and on OT 7 for more than 5 years. Well, I could go on but you get my point.
This is my opinion for whatever its worth; anyone who got auditing who had sustainable wins and DEMONSTRABLY increased abilities as re those promised on the Grades really needed and wanted those abilities and WORKED on them – there was DOINGNESS involved afterwards, it wasn’t just handed to them when they completed and attested to the Grade completion, notwithstanding whatever they wrote in their Success Story.
Its what we did or did not do AFTER the auditing that, in my view, that gives us the proof of the pudding or the actual benefits of the auditing.
Whew! Longer than I expected, sorry.
Brian, Fool, being a psychotic manipulator does not give straight answers to questions. Instead, he steers the conversation onto another topic. This tactic is used to evade being truthful without actually lying. It is also used to divert attention away from his own behavior & redirect it to a flaw – real or imagined in his target.
I’m stably exterior with full perception*. I reached that state of OT after I blew.
*stably exterior from a Scientology with full perception of what bullshit it is.
” but it wasn’t permanent because of the NOTs case.”
I’m sure that’s the reason FP!
I have no idea what you guys are talking about…Excuse me while I fade away.
Go back over your materials Sufer Dude. The whole universe is in a bad condition because of bad dictionaries. Don’t let the MU make you into an eternal piece of MEST. Please…. I implore you!
Oh! That’s right! I must fight against the MUs! Brian, whenever you need me, I’ll be there.
OSD, don’t listen to Brian. He means well. But of course, you know true source of abberration on this planet is and has always been inferior bong. That said, your eternity is assured. People such as yourself have been working your guts out to prevent planet Earth from going into another Dark Age. VWD. If anyone can confront and shatter the SP’s dumping low grade cannabis on the market and getting high prices for it, its you. These guys have been around a long time on the Whole Track.
Gee, and I thought the universe went belly up because of the introduction of fast food chains! Well, there you go, you learn something new every day.
This is all very good Brian, and looking up his words might prevent Surfer Dude from doing something really stupid like running OTIII without a meter on his back porch for 3 weeks, and we don’t want anyone being so daft as that, do we?
Well done! Would you like to write a Success Story about your cognition? If so send it in to your local Org to count on the stats before Thursday.
I have the ability to bake a cake. I can do it every time. Sometimes I “had a feeling” as to who was on the phone, or I “made a postulate about needing an item and I got it”, – those are coincidences as I can NOT do them at will.
I had wins on everything except some harsh out tech sec checking. I got no actual gain as per what I spent decades reading what Hubbard described as gains and abilities of a thetan.
Wins were self conceived confirmation BS. Fun, but not worth a half a million dollars and 40 years of my life.
Whereas, had I gained actual OT ability as described in a billion ways by Hubbard, I would still be IN and the world would be clear and sane and all that groovy shit.
Pudding.
We have no proof in pudding. We have empty words. If the tek worked the world would be clear and we would all be baking cakes.
Cults ! Gotta love their absurd non deductive logic. During my time in a small cult, i would consistently get nailed for making one of the group leaders sick. They accused me of harboring negative thoughts about them. Haha. I didn’t know WTF they were screaming about but couldn’t deny it as that would open me up to being drawn and quartered. I hated that crap. If I was powerful enough to make people sick on command why did it never occur to them I could then heal on command ? Christ on a cracker, they could have trotted me out to every man, woman and child in the entire state and made a flippin’ fortune on my so called abilities.
Christ on a cracker! That is my favorite cracker! It up lifts me.
Good post Brian, and thus is the trick. It is almost as if Ron himself is installing circuits in your brain as you come to agreement with False Data. If you agree with False Data, then the illogical becomes logical. As Ron stated, if you agreed with it, it doesn’t have to be True, only ‘Workable’.
I’m glad I left this wicked paradigm that mixes belief and pseudo-science.
A-f—king-men
I like your way with words.
At your service Surfer Dude ?♀️ ?
And my service to you…
Tim considers himself a humanitarian. The euphoric states scientologists achieve are laughable. Ultimately they do little or nothing to effectively help people.
They do however achieve spiritual masterbation.
Update: I finally got my money from Go Fund Me. So thank you to those that helped. I am doing well after getting my pacemaker and will likely still be around when we clear the planet of the dwarfenfuehrer.
Great to hear this Bill.
You’re a survivor, Bill. Congrats! Now, let’s find the dwarfenfuehrer.
Wonderful Bill !!
Excellent, Dead Men!
” Thanks LRH, you’ve done it again! With great Freedom and Knowledge come great Responsibility. And so we….. ” ..run……………and hide and whimper and whine ……….oh yea …… and LIE!
Yo Dave et cetera,
Carry on good buddies!
What…we can’t slap the shit out of them?
I did my own poor man’s version of Super Power last week. Instead of going to Clearwater to run around a pole, I ran around the running track at the local YMCA. I finished my workout about the time the stock market would be opening for the day. As I was finishing my last lap I postulated that the markets would open higher, and sure enough the S & P 500 was up over 10 points.
Thanks LRH, you have done it again.
Wow, Doug! I wish I had Super Powers like you. Your OT level must be out of this world! I’m still working on levitating my hand.
I’ve got an idea… maybe they should have a Success Story writing competition? Like that Writers of the Future gig. Hey… wouldn’t hurt and it’d give the common riff raff something to involve themselves in apart from CF. They could have prises and runners up, fun for whole family. Like a free, all you can eat buffet at a Taco Bell in a yet to be named county near you & maybe even a best and fairest for eternity explained in 20 words or less. It’s about time Survey Tech was put to better use.
Come on… it could run like… you know… “Scientology’s Got Talent” with judges, gongs, silver tinsel, canned laughter and all. SuMP could promote, film it and even make into an annual series.
Think big and let’s put the show on the road too! A Success Story World Tour… geezers, even Tgt 2 could have a volcano gala event. Live from a lava pit. Book early as there’s limited seating for Boeing fly overs for aerial views of contestants and festivities. This time the pilot says it’s all real!
I’d be afraid to watch that show.
“Thanks LRH, you’ve done it again! With great Freedom and Knowledge come great Responsibility. And so we work.” …on central files.
“And so we work…on central files.” For the rest of your lives…and then some.
Well that billion year contract ain’t there for nothin you know.
I still thank LSD for getting me out of the Sea Borg.
“And so we work…on Central Files.” Still laughing!
Laughter good. Scientology bad.
LOL!
I’ve seen this type of nonsense plenty of times – always at companies on the decline. The focus on feelings and process become important – results are no longer mentioned. Those that grew up in a culture of organizational superiority have a difficult time coming to terms that things aren’t as rosy as their leaders tell them or that the way “it has always been” no longer works. The foot soldiers grasp at straws – hoping to rekindle that feeling of superiority they had when a continual upward trajectory seemed like a reality. Opening an Ideal Org becomes important, not the number of people that progress up the bridge. The number of fundraisers becomes important, not how much money is spent doing good in the community.
Funny. Tim can confront “all that” but cannot confront the fact that scamology has collapsed and all the orgs (where he and most of the scientologists on the planet live) are completely empty of parishioners…
The “Super Ostrich Rundown” strikes again. And again…
Oh, man! I would LOVE to do the Super Ostrich Rundown! How much is it going to cost me?
Depends on whether you are an IOR completion (Inney Outie Rundown) with an approved success story.
If Yes then you get half off to stick your head where the sun doesn’t shine.
How many times did I do that. Ah, great memories.
OSD, it’s free if you can find some large shore break…
You men are lethal today 🙂
But Aqua, you gave me a new word I never heard before!
Ok, I’ll bite: what word, Wynski?
abstruse
I can’t believe never encountered that one.
As long as I can make you laugh, I’ve done my job. You’ve got to find something to laugh about everyday. There’s no laughter in Scientology. Just dread.
“You’ve got to find something to laugh about everyday”. I subscribe to that philosophy too, OSD. Tracking with you on that!
“There’s no laughter in Scientology, just dread”. Now, this reminds me of a Woody Allen quote which would certainly apply to the Still Ins:
“Most of the time I don’t have much fun. The rest of the time I don’t have any fun at all”. – Woody Allen.
At my age, I don’t relish the thrashing I would be given. Especially at the Wedge.
Ouch OSD. I’m just glad that Mavericks was discovered after I moved away from that area. I would probably be dead,
Mavericks is a killer…literally.
Omg if he saw all of that at once, maybe he was hallucinating?? Better call a psychiatrist and get checked out. Oh wait….
If a person just takes a hike, out in the middle of a forest all alone in thought near streams, butterflies, birds, deer, rain, mountains, boulders, sunshine, clouds, waterfalls, dirt (and maybe trips and falls or at least stubs your toe or boot) you will most likely have an epiphany about what’s really happening in this world and how you can make it a better place.
Truer words were never spoken, TOOT. The natural world is still full of wonder! One of my and my wife’s favorite place is Muir Woods in Northern California. The word that comes to mind is majestic. You’ll never be the same after one walk through these incredible trees. And, yes, I did, indeed, hug them…
Much agreed Toot & OSD; It is telling to me that Sci has no reverence for nature and are faithless in regards to humanity. Anything bigger than they are is a threat. IMHO, the mindset of Sci is a closed system and closed systems are stale, dead. Sci calling itself the healer of what hurts the planet is like a grain of sand calling itself the beach.
I called myself the beach once. But, I gave it back.
You called the beach once but it never called you back.
Story of my life.
Mike im still not receiving your emails. Is this problem being worked on. I know others that are having this problem. Thank for all you do.
I’m with you Tamara. I look forward to this being corrected too! Mike’s blog is the first thin I read for the day and love being subscribed. Thank you Mike!
I’m still not getting them either! I’ve been going online for almost a week to see them. Glad I’m not the only one!
Same here. Thought I must have had too many negative thoughts against this cult & Xenu used its powers against me 🙂
Xenu is punk. I beat the crap out of him once. He’s a sissy.
same with me
Same here in the Great White North.
Come to think of it, it’s been a while since I’ve had one, too.
Same here. Even tried signing up with another email and that doesn’t work now either! Thanks in advance for fixing!
LOL: ‘If I can accomplish the same gains by watching BBC…’