More interesting factoids from the mouths of babes.
Today we are blessed with the magnificent news on Super Power.
The Super Power building opened, and delivery of Super Power began in Nov 2013. Nearly 4 years to rack up some significant accomplishments.
Remember the HEAVY demand that all scientologists had to do Super Power — the number who have actually completed in this time is a pretty good measure of how many truly dedicated paying scientologists there are on earth. 4,000 total. They have scraped up 1,000 per year or 20 per week in the last 4 years.
Recall too, this building is designed to service THOUSANDS of people each week. There are HUNDREDS of auditing rooms and course rooms to seat MANY hundreds. They are clearly EMPTY.
817 OT VIIIs have completed. This is a pretty good measure of how many OT VIIIs there are on earth. These people are the most dedicated scientologists, and by reaching OT VIII they have demonstrated they have a lot of disposable cash. They also have nothing else they can do in scientology. This was the last carrot dangled before them to achieve heretofore unknown and unavailable miracles they had been trying to attain all the way to OT VIII. After 4 years you can be pretty certain that everyone they could get has been brought in and put through the oiliness table.
The youngest person to complete SP is 12 — get em when they’re young!
Perhaps the most amazing thing of all is this statement: “This is how we are getting every scientologist into Power and how we are achieving world clearing!” They are so deluded they may even think this is a true statement….
Where are all these Scientologists in “Power” changing the world? There isn’t even one?
I wonder if ANY scientologist has ever wondered how many people they would need to be clearing a week in order to get 50% of planet earth clear in 20 years. I will help you out:
3.5 billion in 20 years (no population growth) – equates to 175 million per year. That is 3.5 million clears a WEEK. 500,000 every DAY. 20,000 every HOUR.
Scientology has not made 20,000 clears in the last decade (or perhaps 2 or 3?)
When Mike was made to crawl in the hole, why did he not just refuse?
Probably for similar reasons others didn’t. Not wanting to lose family probably weighing in heavily.
Juan Trutha, as with other cults, the mind control runs deep. In this so-called church, you are made to feel that you deserve everything bad that’s done to you or that happens to you. It’s your fault, you caused it and you deserve to be punished. And Juan, when I say everything, I mean literally everything bad, even those things that happen to your friends and family members.
Evidently there is a stat for exclamation points.
When I was the Treasury Sec for the Flag Service Org (FSO) in 2002 I was asked to do a computer print out of every public who had done at least $1,000 worth of service (training or auditing) over the prior 3 years. To everyone’s surprise it was only 5,000 names!!! The FSO delivers more Scientology by monitory value than all the rest of Scientology combined and it only had 5,000 active public. So if 4,000 public have done Super Power over the last 4 years then that means that Flag has gotten 80% of their active public to do it which sounds about right. Realize that Super Power building takes up a full city block. It is HUGE. It is EMPTY. It is expensive to cool, light, clean, etc. It is a very expensive prop.
Wow. Interesting and that was early 2000s. I wonder what its like 15 years later …. So nice not to be a ‘Tres Sec’ any longer, hey Mark P, to you too 🙂
Cece (xAOLA Tree Sec ’85-90)
I drove through CW a few times back then while visiting Tech Data (a large technology product distributor) and there were public walking around the streets and stuff. I visited last year and it is a COMPLETE ghost town except for staff being bused around. At most I’d say 25% of the public 2002 had.
Well then there they go…. 15 years later. Its something I’m grateful for but I don’t understand. That was what I was seeing in my ‘mind’ during those years…. Scary you folks speaking out 🙂
Hi Mike (and everyone here!)
I’m a never-in, have been enturbulating for about 2 decades, and have lurked here pretty much since this blog started.
Any post you do re the Stupor Powers building never ceases to make me smile, not only because its stats are always dismal (yay), but also because I can’t help thinking about your brilliant helicopter tech at the opening. “Get closer! I don’t care about their noise problems!”
Thank you, Mike, for all that you do. This blog is invaluable, and I’m always heartened to see more UTRs participating. I’m certain scores more are lurking. Goooooood! Thank you, too, for Aftermath. Looking forward to Season 2. You, Leah, and everyone who has been been participating are doing what my grandmother called “God’s work.” You’re giving voice to atrocities the cos commits day after week after year. The suffering, in all its forms, is what motivates me to do what I can, too, small though my efforts are by comparison.
Hey Davey with the fake navy!
Your cult is dying! Couldn’t happen to a better psychopath. Hope you enjoy your death by a thousand cuts, you whining twat. Oh, and where’s Shelley?
Hey, Angie Down South!
A never-in who’s been lurking for 4 years! That’s pretty cool. Nice to meet you, and glad you’re here with us!
Way to go Angie!
And, yeah, Dave, WHERE’s SHELLEY!?!
Thank you ADS! I’m so loving seeing a glimpst into your life. I see you have seen mine 🙁 . Pls share 🙂
I just installed security cameras and a computer to store the recordings. Is that not ‘stably exterior with full perceptive’?
Plus, when ever I want to take an experience of self learning, I always listen to some one named Bogi. What’s the matter, was Bodi busy? Or was that just misspelled, twice.
I also noticed that!! I was wondering that myself…
An unrelated query (though really, it is related): What are the chances of Mike and Leah’s Aftermath being distributed globally, with subtitles, outside of the anglosphere and northern Europe? Ditto, ‘Going Clear,’ My Scientology Movie, all the great expo books by Russell, Miller, Tony Ortega, Jon Atak, Mark Headley, Chris Shelton, Janet Reitman, etc., etc.??
I’m guessing the people in non-English speaking countries may not be getting the full picture of just how evil $cion is and are therefore more vulnerable to its recruitment tactics. Any thoughts from anyone on this? thanks
“Aftermath” has aired in Asia. I’m assuming there were subtitles.
I’ve contacted A&E directly to voice the same concerns. I don’t know what their plans are for Season 2 but I’m pretty sure they’ll continue to promote it to their affiliate channels around the world.
If anyone here is bilingual/multi-lingual (or knows someone who is), an effort should be made to provide translations of key news articles that get published. Books and TV programs eventually get distributed in languages other than English. It’s the current, “fresh off the press” news releases that need instant translation so more people are informed at the same time. That’s a task that requires regular commitment from the individual (some may be too busy to do so). Of course, there’s always word-of-mouth. Casually bring up stuff in conversation. Perhaps the translations can focus on news that relates just to a specific geographical region or a topic that will garner high interest for a given foreign audience. If something relates personally to someone, there’s a greater chance the information will be readily absorbed.
We can’t rely on A&E to do everything. We ourselves must think of ways of passing the word along to those whom we know. Every bit helps.
This is something of concern to me for Taiwan. The missions are able to get new Taiwanese to take intro classes or auditing. They have no idea of the dark side of Scientology because very little comes up on the internet or on the news in Chinese language. Every time I persuade one friend or cousin of the danger, it seems like there’s someone else I know that’s getting sucked in.
I know in recent decades US and other countries Scientology is shrinking and every year more missions closing. How can that happen?
I don’t think any of them ever do any real math, any real numbers-crunching as regards planetary clearing’s actual scene, and what it will actually take to achieve it. To do so would “cave them in”. So they read this bullshit knowing its impossible but it makes them feel good so its ok. There’s no querying. Why bother? And besides, it might sound like they’re doubting! So its all fine, la la la. They stay in their bubble. They’re comfortable there.
I think you’re absolutely right, Aquamarine. I never really paid much attention to the numbers, because I was too busy being fascinated with things like all the horses galloping up the graphs or firework explosions popping on the screen – all just eye-candy to distract me from the actual numbers. I definitely do get distracted by shiny, glittery, sparkly things.
And yeah, gawd forbid you question the stats! That’s like accusing someone, somewhere, like maybe international management, of false reporting.
Even back in the late 60s and early 70s, false state reporting was a norm. (A) it wasn’t very hard to do and (B) it saved you from having your pay cut! (Yes, back then, we *did* get paid, though hardly a lot. 🙂 So staying out of trouble is even more important today so NOT reporting actual stats has become even more notorious. 🙂
“…- all just eye-candy to distract me from the actual numbers.”
Exactly, T-Marie. This. an old, OLD trick to divert attention from that which cannot be looked at.. Freequently, it works.
“Give-em The Old Razzle Dazzle”…this is a song from the musical “Chicago”.
When you have absolutely nothing better to do, watch or re-watch this film and pay close attention while Richard Gere( shyster lawyer Billy Flynn) sings this song to his client Rene Zellweiger (admitted murderess of her husband Roxie Hart) before they enter the courtroom together for her murder trial. She has no case. Having confessed to murder she is facing hanging. She is doomed and scared. Flynn assures her he’ll get her off, and sings her this song.
Truly, the lyrics are an eye opener, and the way the scene is staged slams home the message. Its a great scene. You’ll never be fooled again.
There are many, varied types of Razzle Dazzle.
Politicians, presidents, actors, writers,copywriters, lawyers, salesmen, interior decorators, we ALL use this ploy SOME of the time. Politician on the right and left use it to whip up your emotions to distract you from looking at the policies they’re implementing that will not serve you.
Watch out for the people who use it ALL of the time. From certain people, things, events, people are always presented int the superlative.
Watch for this because if its ALWAYS the biggest, the best, most beautiful, smartest etc. etc. – ALWAYS – then you KNOW its Razzle Dazzle.. ALWAYS + THE SUPERLATIVE. There’s the indicator that there’s little substance, shoddy or no substance.
David Miscavige uses iRazzle Dazzle ALL of the time, viisually and verbally, with the real estate he craves, Little Boots has this concept totally down.
Auquamarine, that’s one of my all-time favorite scenes in a movie, ever ever.
Dave,
Has your cadre forwarded to you the bad news low ball offer for this empty building from White Elephant Self Storage?
Flag, the Mecca of technical perfection, can’t even Clear it’s own hometown of Clearwater. Rather, there is antagonism, a huge unhandled ARC break, between the Cult and Clearwater right at the epicenter of technical perfection.
Scientology is so fixated and obsessed on controlling Downtown Clearwater that Cult leader Miscavige offered the ridiculous price of $15,000,000 USD for a 1.4 acre parcel of land. Apparently, Flag needs more space to handle the 20 Super Power completions per week and damn the cost!
They can’t even clear a suburb…no wait…a street let alone a whole city.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know how much this Super Power building cost to build (not including maintenance, staffing, etc. in the meantime) vs. how much each it costs for someone to get onto the SP (heh) training? Would be interesting to see their “return on investment” for this thing.
….yet it doesn’t really matter…since all the money was stolen from sheeple as a straight dono. It’s an amazing place, really nicely appointed and all – could have been ten times as grandiose and mean the same thing. Davey spending other people’s money. I admired it and inwardly cheered each time that I’d donated nothing to it.
Staffing and upkeep is slave labor, so they got that going for them.
I have no plans of ever going back, but it would be interesting to wander the halls again and see how busy/empty it is now that the backlog of SP delivery is done and the main forced re-dos of training would be done.
It was busy in the beginning as people were re-doing all their training there, and the SRD co-audit and so on.
Everyone had to do the SRD etc. blah blah blah.
The publicly available building cost estimate went from something like $25 million to $50 million – but Scientology reported raised $150 million in the building campaign. The county auditor estimated the building’s tax value at $480 million.
Those approximately 4,000 completions – which may be about as many as they are going to get, after an initial surge of interest – have to have required somewhere from $10,000 to $30,000 in facility investment, each. Estimates of course costs including auditing are upwards of $30,000.
If you look at it from the perspective that Scientology members paid for the building and gave it to management, then course income is mostly profit for CofS’ coffers, regardless of the investment made.
Exactly PeaceMaker. As secretfornow eluded to, it’s easy as hell to spend “other people’s money” (especially when you have a ton of cheap/free labor at your disposal as well). Just curious what the large donors would think about this “investment”.
Although I suppose if they’re a true, die-hard believer, then they wouldn’t put a monetary value on this stuff. It’s all about their goal of planetary clearing (or the accolades/trophies/medals/applause they’re going to receive at the next big event).
Ok. Here’s another interesting factoid. 817 OTVIII. Not sure how many are still in scientology, but of two who have spoken out about their experience, both Mary Khan and Leah’s mom said when they left the ship, they made the decision they were never going back.
Is that the EP of OTVIII? ;-0
Either way, from cold hard facts, we know that at least .02% of the people who reach OTVIII have said publicly that they made the decision after completing it that they were never going back. I wonder what the percentage of completions of OTVIII there are that actually made that decision who didn’t say something about it. Not a glowing recommendation IMHO.
That was my take away Valerie. I knew in August of 2003 when I walked away from that shiphole that I would never return. That was how I F/Ned on my leaving shit (I mean ship) sec check.
So with people who are willing to say something, we can basically say now that we are up to .07% of the OTVIII who will never do another scientology service. That’s the ones who will speak up. The recommendation is getting less and less glowing. Sounds like OTVIII causes someone to really realize how much they DON’T want to be a scientologist. Great EP. Lets get more people on it.
Valerie, I know three more OT8s who will never go back; one was disaffected when he passed away, another is an “Indie” and the other just pretends to not be disaffected, but avoids the slurch like The Plague.
If I remember correctly, the approximate total number of New OT VIIIs in 1992 was already 800.
In 1998 I posted on alt.religion.scientology an excerpt of a Solo-NOTs Newsletter from Flag that contained an interesting statistic:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/solo-nots-certainty.txt
“[…] This is a statistic from the Solo NOTs Newsletter, published by the
FSO in Clearwater (February 1998). It shows the progress of the Solo
NOTs-Certainty Course.
Explanation: Since the start of Miscavige’s “Golden Age of Tech” in
May 1996 every Scientologist, who is New OT VII, Mid-New OT VII or OT
VIII has to do the Solo NOTs Certainty Course. The following shows how
they are gone [have advanced] so far. You also can see how many New OT VIIs and New OT VIIIs are in each country.
Abbreviations: NS = Not Started, S = Started, C = Completed,
T = Total.
Africa: NS: 23, S:25, C:19, T:67
ANZO: NS:65, S:53, C:26, T:144
Austria: NS:15, S:17, C:7, T:39
Belgium: NS:4, S:2, C:2, T:8
Canada: NS:30, S:26, C:13, T:69
Denmark: NS:14, S:28, C:16, T:58
Finland: NS:2, S:1, C:0, T:3
France: NS:38, S:26, C:11, T:75
Germany: NS:116, S:98, C:48, T:262
Holland: NS:3, S:9, C:3, T:15
Israel: NS:6, S: 9, C:8, T:23
Italy: NS:75, S:135, C:105, T:315
LATAM: NS:50, S:51, C:33, T:134
Spain: NS:14, S:13, C:9, T:36
Sweden: NS:15, S:9, C:6, T:30
Switzerland: NS:107, S:84, C:39, T:230
UK: NS:31, S:68, C:42, T:141
East US: NS:127, S:178, C:103, T:408
West US: NS:604, S:637, C:361, T:1,602
The total number of Scientologists in the range between New OT VI and
New OT VIII is therefore 3,659.”
Thank you for this data. It’s a nice cross-check to my attempts to estimate cult membership by giving some percentages of the membership in various “continents.”
A few years ago I did a project “where are the OT8’s now” based on data gathered by Pooks.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak24Z0-35q2IdFhzcjVucE9LSVM3ZkJnVW5PcHhSWlE#gid=0
https://whyweprotest.net/threads/ot-viii-project-where-are-they-now.103693/
+1! Everyone should click on these links.
Ok, this may not apply directly to today’s post but maybe more to scientology in general. I am a ‘never in’ and I am trying to comprehend how and why scientologists think they can change the outcome of physics and also, on a social scale, why normal feelings of grief and empathy are wrong. What about when Tom Cruise’s movies are stinking, is it because he is wrong somewhere? Kirstie Alley gets fat and whose fault is that? Is she not in tune with her inner soul?? I don’t know all the terms so I am just using everyday human logic. Is there no COMMON SENSE left in this world?
“why scientologists think they can change the outcome of physics and also, on a social scale, why normal feelings of grief and empathy are wrong. ”
Because LRH said so.
End of. See the Reg at the door.
It’s a business pretending to be a religion. Religions provide answers to the questions, “Why am I here?” and “What happens when I die?”. Most religions answer these questions with articles of faith which are not meant to be proven, just believed. The problem is that Scientology proclaims that it is based on Science.
But really, it’s a closed system of circular logic that requires a shitload of cognitive dissonance. The irony is that the philosophy begins with the idea that we are all basically static awareness units (thetans) – meaning aware but having no mass, no energy, and no location in space, We’re supposedly “that which views”. Once you agree with that, the rest of it makes more sense. The idea is that one is not a body, or an emotion, or a thought. All of that is considered secondary to existence, or artificial. Auditing supposedly strips everything away until one can achieve “native state” – that “thetan” mentioned earlier. No one ever arrives, of course.
I’ve been away for a very long time, more than 20 years. Apparently Scientology has now morphed itself into a real estate company where donations towards buildings buy one status.
So to answer your question, all that stuff – being fat – having a failed movie, being bat-shit crazy is not considered to be really you. It doesn’t make sense, but that’s what it boils down to.
The joke way back when – 40 years ago – was “My parents always said I would amount to nothing.”
“It’s a business pretending to be a religion.”
Truer words were never spoken. ExScnDude, you’re right on the money.
Hummm. I do happen to know several of those 4,000 completions who are no longer lodged inside DMs cluster. Some are OT VIII.
Begs the question of just how many of their completions are still alive and still inside the bubble.
I know of one Super Power ,OT8, a very close friend who died of cancer ,3 months ago.
“…inside DM’s cluster.” Just killin’ me there!
Must get lonely being the only truly BIG being around, especially when no one can do anything right but you. Even worse, the cult’s contracting in some very obvious ways which just don’t jibe with the tiny tyrant’s cheer leading about the cult’s fapulous achievements…so many big shiny buildings, but so few people to fill them!
David Miscavige is running out of heads to slap, necks to choke, and staff to humiliate.
I think they must have 3x !!! set up as a macro or keyboard shortcut 🙂
No wonder the cult keeps the doors to the Super Power building closed. They don’t want wogs coming in and getting lost for days at a time.
If the COS could produce one single real clear, someone who possesses all of the promoted attributes, they would have zero problem clearing the world. The problem is, all current clears hold is nothing more than a worthless piece of paper claiming them to be something they’re not.
I can make my hand levitate! Whew! Am I powerful or what!?
Whoa!! How’d you do that?? You must have super powers.
And, I can levitate either leg!
I took a surfing lesson a couple of weeks ago and stood up on the board for about three seconds before falling. How is that for super powers?
That’s nothing. I made my cat levitate after waving catnip under her nose.
Master! Take me under your wing!
Love these emails. When the Super Power building opened there were 100 to 200 Super Power auditors. These auditors were only dedicated to auditing superpower, no other lowe-level actions and no OT levels. Let’s be conservative and say there were only 100 of them. Anyone getting Super Power auditing is doing it full-time and it can be done in a week with a dedicated auditor. Aside from the fact that 1/2 of the auditors have probably been busted or left the Sea Org by now, if the Base is only averaging 20 Super Power comps per week, then 80% of all Super Power auditors are unutilized. How’s that 47X expansion going?
I think they shipped them off to LA ORG where they are draggin down 700 homeless a week for an Oh See Aye.
But here’s the huge turd in $cn’s punchbowl: The correct way of objectively evaluating the cult’s claims of never before seen rates of epic progress in clearing the planet must take into account the fact that the planet’s net population is NOT staying the same; it’s increasing at a rate of about 1.11% per year ( see here http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ ), which ends up being a net world population increase of approximately 200K per day. That’s almost three times the number of clears who’ve been created in the entire history of $cn which, according to the latest edition of The Auditor, totals less than 70k clears made in over six decades.
So, based on objective statistics and cult’s own reports, there is NO progress being made in clearing the planet. In reality, every day in which the cult makes fewer clears than the total net increase in the world’s population per day, is a day in which that “star-high” goal is getting further and further away, NOT closer and closer!
If the per day rate at which clears were being created actually was increasing, then the best you could honestly say there is that the rate of regression or failure is slowing. The truth is, there has been no actual progress in increasing the percentage of the earth’s population which is clear since the cult first announced that clearing the planet was its primary objective. Instead, in each and every year that the cult’s been keeping track, the percentage of the world’s population that is clear has decreased, rather than increased.
In other words, the cult is going backwards instead of forwards there, yet every single $cilon in good standing with the cherch must continue to believe in and parrot the cult’s false stat reports and objectively demonstrable lies on pain of punishment or expulsion.
That’s what a cult does: It requires you to believe in and parrot things which are obviously untrue and punishes those who don’t, while requiring everyone else to remain silent about the injustice.
“That’s what a cult does: It requires you to believe in and parrot things which are obviously untrue and punishes those who don’t, while requiring everyone else to remain silent about the injustice.”
Sounds like North Korea and so true about Scientology today. Hope those people wake up.
It is not Davey’s level of evilness.It is the level of stupidity of the last ones still in.He laughs at overweight 55yo.dupes who put on superman costumes after they have run up all their credit cards.Stop blaming him. He has done doing a remarkably good job of extracting the last dime out of hopeless dupes who can’t look.
I completely, but COMPLETELY agree with everything you’ve just said. David Miscavige is THAT smart, They are THAT dumb. For a while, I was that dumb. for a while, many of us were. But I wised up, we here all wised up. If we could do it so can they. In the interim, I have NO doubt that Miscavige laughs his ass off, continuously. In fact, I would bet that its one of the few “pleasures” His SPNess has left.
I need new contacts. “David Miscavige is NOT that smart”.
Nah, I am pretty sure none of us would want to be in David Miscavige’s tiny shoes these days. He is living in a spiraling descent into paranoia, anxiety, and madness.
No argument there!
Me too! It’s only going to get worse for those on the inside as more and more folks find their ways to the exits and the only new people coming through the front doors are hoodwinked foreign nationals who have no idea of the kind nightmare that they signed up for.
If Elron had ever been successful in any of his mad schemes to take over a country, then you can be sure it would have ended up like an Americanized version of North Korea.
Worse; North Korea doesn’t have auditing. You can at least THINK what you want there if you keep your mouth shut. In scientology you can’t even let yourself think certain thoughts or you’ll be busted for it one way or another. Can you imagine the mental and emotional strain of having the censor your own mind all the time?
In answer to your last question: yes, I can imagine it, and I believe its why so many VIIs and VIIIs get sick and die prematurely,. Of necessity, in order to stay on these levels, all they DO is censure their own minds. Its extremely stress producing. I knew a lot of them and they never looked happy to me. I used to wonder why; now I know.
Obviously, if someone “gets sick” it’s their OWN fault….they have crimes they haven’t admitted to…..
Their “crimes” are allowing themselves to be lulled and duped. Then (hopefully) one day, something the cult does smacks them in the kisser and they can’t twist and turn away from it anymore. These are the lucky ones. The rest stay lulled and duped but make no mistake, they are extremely stressed. it takes effort to stay ignorant and blind and dumb. They’ve got to keep it all in place and that takes effort, and that effort is stress and it takes a toll on their health. These are the unlucky ones. Its kind of Darwinian, when you think about it.
WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES!
These stats are truly remarkable. Only 3,499,996,000 ‘clears’ to go.
They should be able knock out those 3,499,996,000 people waiting to go clear in about, what, 2 or 3 centuries? That’s not a long time to wait…
Only if the whole world stops breeding.
Well now, that’s a frightening thought… what is it that scientology encourages pregnant females to do again…?
Matt Feschach did Super Power twice. He and Kathy( his wife ) declared bankruptcy.
FESHBACH.
I was going to say…
Did he really! How funny! And this is the guy who gave us a seminar on financial solvency back in the day! Ha Ha Ha. I took very careful notes…I still have those notes! OMG, too funny!
That’s some strong super powers there! Donating millions to the slurch instead of paying their bills. Wow. I’m uber-impressed. 😉
Yes, LMAO! It’d be so fun to run into him. Wonder if he’s still giving seminars? 🙂
Playing Devil’s Advocate here, Mike: In its defense, the church will say that LRH said we don’t have to clear every last person on earth for it to be considered “Cleared.” In that reference LRH said that they won’t be clearing the minions and lower type people (DB’s etc), and that if you cleared everyone else, that is enough. In other words, they won’t waste their time on the little people they consider beneath them and degraded. So if you do the math with another LRH reference, the one about the ratio of DB’s to Big Beings, (what is it 10 to 1 or 20 to 1?), then according to that we only have to clear about one in every 10 or 20. I don’t have time to do the math on this, but what would it be if we took into account the Big Being to DB ratio?
Cindy,
A ratio of 1 Clear in 20 people equals 5 percent. So if you figure a worldwide population of 7.5 billion, then 5 percent of that equals 375 million Clears. Everything I’ve read points to 10,000 or so hardcore Scientologists, and a tiny, tiny fraction of them make it all the way through OT VIII. You have a far higher chance of randomly bumping into a Rastafarian (of which there are estimated to be 1 million worldwide) than meeting a Clear
Yea but they have Bobby Duggan and Tommy Cruise so who needs the rest of the planetary losers.
If you put Dave and his dildo together with Tommy and his couch and Bobby and his pharmaceuticals you get a pretty mean brew. It’s putrid but it is also mean!
Newcomer, I have a question that you (or anybody who reads this) might know the answer to. Back in the 1990s, Bob Duggan’s son apparently had cancer and they sought treatment from a non-MD guy who lived in our area, Jimmy Keller. What ever happened to their son?
Just a thought…could the dwindling number of Scientologists on Super Power possibly be related to the fact that none has achieved the state of stably exterior with full perceptive?
The cost savings that would be realized from no longer needing to hire private investigators alone would reach well into the millions…
Len, I’m stably exterior with full perceptions. BTW, it looks like you need a hair cut…
Hi Len
Sorry to be off topic here. I watched your piece on Leah & Mike’s show again last night. No mater how many time I see it, it still brings a tear. Thanks for that, and I hope all is well.
Rob
Lmao. Great way to put their “great news” into perspective Mike! Was wondering if you trust these numbers aren’t exaggerated like their expansion numbers? At this rate, they should have Teegeeack cleared on the down side of many of those billion year contracts.??? KAW – Keep Aftermath Working
Keep Aftermath Working, indeed! And…a possible Emmy!
The dwarf must be shiting in his diaper…
It dependz.
Oh…you’re good!
Actually, I’m surprised that they released specific numbers that are abysmally low from any perspective, and so perhaps not far from the truth – thought it might be inflated a bit if they’ve counted people who’ve done it twice, or otherwise fudged the numbers. The building was originally designed and staffed to be able to process 5,000 to 10,000 people per year on the program, so they admit to operating at 10-20% of projected capacity at best.
From what I’ve seen of a lot of their PR lately, it would have been typically for them to have claimed something like an average of 170 people a month going through the doors of the Super Power building – counting them coming and going (i.e., turning 20 a week into 40).
Estimates of 20,000 remaining active members include about a third Sea Org and staff, and so probably 12,000 or fewer public. But many of those will be old-timers still hanging around and doing minimal coursework, and quite a few UTRs, so for them to get a third of that number to come to Clearwater to do this course, is probably about the highest penetration that they’re going to get. After a surge of initial interest, I’d guess that their numbers might be dropping towards 500 a year or about 10 a week, unless they start putting staff and Sea Org on the course.
I keep thinking of the huge numbers who walked out around 1982-3. Many were Clears. Were their numbers deleted? 🙂
thegman, I can’t imagine that Scientology has deliberately re-used or in any way fudged with clear numbers, in part because of their belief that clears are going to reincarnate and return to orgs in the future. There are some reports that there have been small errors in the system, which seems typically of a sloppiness that they are prone to due to cumbersome administrative system and overworked staff.
I think that clear numbers, which currently stand around 65,000, are one measure that is too sacrosanct for them to tinker with, and so it reveals the sort of ugly truth about their poor results that they would try to misrepresent or fake if it were any sort of statistic.
I like it when Mike analyses figures like this, I would have seen this message and thought that they are doing well when in reality the figures are very far from impressive, and are in all likelyhood starting to tail off as all the easy sales have been made and now they are onto the poor majority who are already reeling from the constant onslaught of monetary demands.
Their stats are in the toilet.
Flushed? Or unflushed?
Is signing all of these communiques “Love, X” the way everything is signed? That is Super Power for irony.
How about a little demonstration of these “SuperPowers”? Levitation…..lactation, constipation, whatever!
I’d kick in $100 for a seat at that show!
I’ve got a C note in my pocket. Save me a seat.
They forgot a number: 41. Forty one frikkin exclamation points in that one short email!!! Wow!!! Amazing!!! Who knew?!!!
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I noticed all those exclamation points too… like it was written by an excited teenage girl.
The real sad part is that there is nothing you could easily repurpose that building into once the cult collapses.
The floor where the pole is located could be tuned into an indoor roller skating facility?
Co-sign on roller skating!
Or maybe a one time multi millionaire “leader of the cult pack” can use it to “pole dance” in a thong to earn some cold hard cash.
Wynski, Doug, disco, Ballet – not true1 See my post above. There is a future for this building! Laugh if you will but I’m serious! A definite future!
No one would pay to see that little shit thong or no thong.
Pass the brain bleach!!!!! Ewwwwwwwwwww!
I would LOVE to see him dancing in a thong…it would be great to see the …what has he been called “the tiny tyrant ” turd making a fool of himself. I am sure others would pay to see him fall to THAT level…..we could all throw dimes at him…..
I vote for homeless shelters. We can gut the interior and make bedrooms.
Homeless shelter. Now there is a thought. To think something good might actually come out of the efforts of scientology after its inevitable collapse.
Perhaps a prison and DM can get the first cell.
Maybe a gym spa since they do have that running track and the Purif spa areas.
Let’s take out all the interior walls that aren’t holding the place up, and make several indoor sports courts/batting cages, etc., and a go cart track or 2, at least it would be put to good use and be another good reason to visit the downtown area.
What great ideas guys!
I vote for a Psychiatric Hospital & Treatment Center….to help those damaged by cults……that’ll fix them.Oh yes, also housing for those who are or were in the cult, have no money (their own fault I suppose since they gave it all to COS)…..to help them get back on their feet AND with counseling to help them “deprogram”….if that is even possible for some true die hards.
I like your idea, Balletlady. Housing for members, counseling, training for job skills, classrooms for GEDs, retirement community…
I got an idea; we can turn it into a sort of “Cultic Studies” museum where Scientology would be the main attraction. We would have the chronology of Scn’s bad press together with the original documents of all the inquires into Scn, shown in special displays. “Barefaced Messiah”, “Let’s Sell These People a Piece of the Blue Sky”, and every book ever published exposing Scn/LRH’s lies and crimes, would be also in display, preferably the first original copies of all of them.
Gibney’s “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief” and the “Scientology and the Aftermath” seasons would be constantly being played on a big screen as well as “My Scientology Movie” (ESPECIALLY the part played by Rathbun, haha).
The “LRH’s Affirmations would be on display (the original handwritten ones). An actor portraying LRH would be reading them in a special video being constantly played.
There would be a special hall for Scn’s space opera mythology where portions of the original OTIII in its original handwritten form would be displayed. All the tapes from the SHSBC era and the class 8 lectures that have any mention of space opera would be on a special display to be played on a special video like the pretty ones that Golden Era prepare for the events when they quote from a LRH lecture. You know, representing what is being said by him. We would also have on that special “Upper Level” hall, models of DC-8 type of airplanes with ice cubes full of frozen thetans and models of volcanoes where these beings would be geeting dumped. We would have a big Movie screen with an an alien with dark glasses pointing a ray gun at people implanting them with “Fac-One”.
Up in the olde “Super Power” running track, we would have a theme park type of attraction (the MAIN attraction) where as we were running around the track, an astral projection of our bodies would be displayed in a big screen producing the sensation of exteriorization with full perception while flying around the planets. You know, something similar to the “E.T. attraction”.
One hall would be devoted to “Lord Xemu” and the “Intergalactic war” that destroyed this whole sector 75 million years ago. With a movie type of set, this great war would be represented, especially the part where LRH as “Rawl” – the leader of the “Loyal Officers” – finally capture and imprison Lord Xemu inside the mountain with the eternal battery. A special wax model of Xemu with moving parts would be displayed, and a special recording of him talking while histerically laughing would be constantly played to the audience.
There would also be a special room – part of the final presentation; the final exhibition of the museum – where LRH would be sitting in a chair while holding the cans of a high voltage e-meter in front of him. His hair very long below his shoulders; his finger nails long and unkept; his teeth rotten; while looking at empty space with his eyes red of rage while saying, “Die motherfucker, die!!!” as be attempts to kill the last BT who had possessed his body.
Then just before exiting the museum, there would be a halls full of commendations and awards for every individual who had ever done something effective to close down the cult. Just as with the “LRH Exhibition” on Hollywood, we would have several moving walls with such awards, with each wall opening up while the next one would be seen full of awards, and so on for a total of 30 different wall panels.
Then next to these panels a statue of Mike and Leah would be displayed while holding a Emmy award in their hands while saying, “We Won!”.
On the back on these statues of Leah and Mike, like 20-30 feets away, there would be a model of a cell with COB inside of it with both his hands on the bars of this 4’6″ high prison, looking at Mike and Leah with rage while screaming, “Let me out of here you pieces of shit. Don’t you fucking know who I am? I am the fucking Pope you bunch of losers. I’ll come back from Target II to haunt you two; you won’t escape my vengeance” (while laughing histerically with a very sinister laugh).
Your post wins! I’d get behind this project.
I would most def pay to see all that. Actually it sounds bad ass for real!????
“The real sad part is that there is nothing you could easily repurpose that building into once the cult collapses.”
Oh, but we could get really imaginative, Wynski, 😉