Terra joins us once again for some more thought provocation.
Terra Math, L. Ron Hubbard, and Wacky Cosmology
Definition of cosmology (Dictionary.com): the branch of philosophy dealing with the origin and general structure of the universe, with its parts, elements, and laws, and especially with such of its characteristics as space, time, causality and freedom.
Per L. Ron Hubbard’s cosmological view of the universe, we, as spiritual beings, have lived for quadrillions of years—which is a whole lot of years and a whole lot of zeros. A quadrillion years is a long time. A really, really long time. So long, as to be almost incomprehensible. A quadrillion of anything is a whole heap of matter, energy, space, and time. And one hell of a long to time to have existed. And one hell of a library of memories that we’ve supposedly recorded and cataloged.
Not to worry, though; according to LRH, we’ve logged everything—every last incident, every last birth, death, stubbed toe, and trip to the market for a quart of Ben and Jerry’s at two o’clock in the morning. Unfortunately, many of these incidents are the cause of our “less than clear” lives.
Word Clearing 101
LRH made up his own definition for the word “engram” to define these unhealthy events. Per the Scientology Tech Dictionary (you know, the fat red one), an engram is defined as, 1. a mental image picture which is a recording of a time of physical pain and unconsciousness. It must by definition have impact or injury as part of its content. (HCOB 23 Apr 69). 3. a complete recording, down to the last accurate detail, of every perception present in a moment of partial or full unconsciousness. (Scientology 0-8).
In Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health, he wrote, “All the perceptics are included in an engram.” “There can be greater or lesser restimulation. An engram can be put into force just a little bit by restimulators in the environment of the individual or, with many restimulators present and the body in an already reduced state, the engram can go into full-force display (which is covered later). But whether the engram is slightly restimulated or greatly restimulated, everything in it goes into effect one way or another.”
Remedial Word Clearing
Just so you’re not confused, LRH made up the words “restimulate” and all its different inflections.
Math 101
Okay. Let’s do some simple math. And make some simple assumptions. Let’s pretend LRH knew what he was talking about for the moment, and assume we’ve all lived one quadrillion lives (a nice rounded number). And without getting overly complicated, let’s assume we’ve all accumulated at least three engrams during each of these lives: birth, death, and some other tragedy. (For those of you versed in Dianetics, we won’t concern ourselves with all the related secondaries (times of loss) or locks (times of engram or secondary restimulation)).
LRH said that we’ve recorded everything connected with these engrams: the pain, the loss, every sensation, sound, feeling, taste, everything. The whole enchilada. Thousands of individual movie frames all frozen in time. Once again, for the sake of simplicity, let’s pretend that within every one of these engrams, two hundred separate, distinct objects—or as LRH liked to call them: facsimiles—were automatically recorded.
One quadrillion lives times three engrams per life equals three quadrillion engrams. Three quadrillion engrams times two hundred facsimiles in each engram equals six hundred quadrillion facsimiles floating around in our minds. Which is a lot to keep track of. No wonder our “file clerks” are so inept.
Here’s the good part. According to Hubbard, every one of these six hundred quadrillion facsimiles has the power to key us in. (Anytime an engram is restimulated, it or us are said to be “keyed-in.”)
Are We Really the Effect of Everything?
I don’t know about the rest of you, but six hundred quadrillion of anything is too much for me to comprehend—much less, handle in session. Six hundred quadrillion engramic facsimiles means that literally everything I see, hear, feel, taste, or smell is potentially restimulative—a latent killer, waiting to do me in. By LRH’s concept of the cosmos, absolutely nothing in my world won’t key me in. It’s as if I was allergic to everything. As if every single physical and spiritual particle within my space was a reminder of some past trauma.
Six hundred quadrillion unforgiving facsimiles is one merciless monster of an impediment to anyone’s existence. From the moment I wake up in the morning and open my eyes, everything I see is restimulative: the quilt, the dresser, my lovely spouse, the crows calling to one another outside the window, even the air I breathe. Everything is restimulative! Every last particle. It’s a wonder I’m able to get down to breakfast every morning. It’s a miracle I’m alive!
If you believe in LRH’s cosmology, every single last thing in our universe is a booby-trap waiting to key us in. Nothing is benign. Everything is dangerous. Everything is a reminder of how we failed to survive; how we lost; how we zigged when we should zagged.
Last Words
Sunday, my spouse and I ate breakfast at one of our favorite Mexican restaurants. Soft yolks, rice, black beans, over crisp tortillas. Covered in melted cheese and divine salsa. Garnished with tomato and avocado. Touch of salt. Ranchero music in the background, not too loud. A mom feeding her baby. Afterwards we jumped on our bikes.
We traversed upscale neighborhoods, gawking at all the wonderful architecture—both structural and landscaped—as we made our way to the undeveloped lands. We rode over narrow trails, through vast open spaces browned by a long, hot summer. We rode along high cliffs overlooking the glistening Pacific Ocean. When we got tired, we rested under the shade of gnarled oaks and tall eucalyptuses. The beauty was palpable—deep and intense.
Life is good.
Still not Declared,
Terra Cognita
Each of us have been betrayed in the past that it is no wonder you mistrust. Mistrust if you must but the tech works if if applied instead of criticized.
You’re something else, seriously.
So, you’re suggesting that ex-members who were abused by $cientology in the worst ways possible — horrid, cruel, relentless Fair Game bullshit; women in the Sea Org who were forced to kill their unborn babies for the “greatest good”; people who were emotionally, physically or psychologically abused during their years in; people who have those absurd and vile hate sites set up on them just so $cientology can lie about them even more; people who were FORCED to disconnect from family members only to lose their husbands/wives, children, brothers/sisters, fathers/mothers, etc… is OK because we should all just accept being betrayed???
What a load of utter bullshit. When you’ve suffered at least 3 of these horrid things, come back and then we’ll talk. We’ll be waiting.
In the meantime, give the whole “tech” thing a rest. Most of us around here don’t give a shit about the useless tech, which was “standardly applied” for many years — and still didn’t produce a damn thing.
Thanks for the article.
I’m so glad for your day..it sounds just lovely.
Enjoying just living and reminding myself of all that is good is an antidote to the demons of looking back at the duplicity and wasted decades. ..for me……
It’s also helpful to see others doing the same.
🙂
I think that the only way to deal with Foolproof is to employ some Scientology tech, in this case, not-is him. That’s right! Anytime he comments on this blog, just don’t respond. Make like he’s not commenting. Maybe after a while of this he’ll see that it’s useless and go somewhere else.
I just got off work and I’m too tired to do a ‘Bob, Mary and Shaheen ‘ feature. All I can think of is to have Natasha be interviewed by Dan Phillips which will get Shaheen sent back to jail.
Well it seems that you did at least read and somewhat understand the definition of Not-Isness I posted below. Thre’s a first time for everything eh? The thing is about Not-Isness is that it tends to resist and persist. Suggest a re-read.
Alcoboy I completely agree. I just not -ised him. Interesting like a psycho but adds nothing of value. Except how not to be. Definitely shows skewed thought processes.
Good for you, Ann! The problem is, ss you can see from the above comment, that he’s trying to tell me that the plan won’t work. The only thing I can think of is to get the others on board with us. Kind of a BOYCOTT FOOLPROOF campaign.
So much for anyone who does not agree with your twisted reality.
I looked it up. There are 15 zeroes in a quadrillion, so if there are 600 quadrillion facsimiles in one person’s mind. So if you take each individual as having their experiences unique to them, that would be 7 billion people on this planet with 600 quadrillion fascimiles floating around on this planet alone. That’s 17 zeroes multiplied by 9 zeroes of mental mass on this planet all of which can re stimulate us at any time. He’s right. Every single thing is re-stimulative. We are all re -stimulated. Even lrh. how DID he rise above the bank? hmmmmm?
If people are the whole world universe can come and universe can go as long as they do it with a smiley.
When I was on course at the American Saint Hill Organization in Los Angeles in the 1970’s there was a young woman was said she was a “new” thetan, in other words it was her first time around as a conscious entity. I wonder where she fits in the topic. She probably had lots of available “storage space” for memories if that’s how it works.
If there was ever a start to universal existence then there would necessarily be an end. Then what happens? Yikes – I guess we start all over again and how does that work? Science says this universe will last another trillion years or something like that so there is still a lot of time for scientists to figure it out. I think the Buddha said just focus on the breathing.
Richard, all that means is that she is one of the people not amenable enough to suggestion or hypnosis, to be be susceptible to producing false memories of supposed “past lives.” I’ve run across other people that such Scientology techniques didn’t work on, either. Typical problems with “past lives,” such as multiple people claiming to be the same historical figure, or lives that overlap in chronology, were well known before Hubbard’s time, casting doubt on the phenomenon; subsequent scientific research has demonstrated that it’s completely illusory, though due to tricks of the mind and the brain, we can experience it as seeming very convincing:
“the “memories” recovered by techniques like past-life regression are the result of cryptomnesia: narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist. Memories created under hypnosis are indistinguishable from actual memories and can be more vivid than factual memories. The greatest predictor of individuals reporting memories of past lives appears to be their beliefs—individuals who believe in reincarnation are more likely to report such memories, while skeptics or disbelievers are less so.
Examinations of three cases of apparent past life regression (Bridey Murphy, Jane Evans, and an unnamed English woman) revealed memories that were superficially convincing. However, investigation by experts in the languages used and historical periods described revealed flaws in all three patients’ recall.
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A 1976 study found that 40% of hypnotizable subjects described new identities and used different names when given a suggestion to regress past their birth. In the 1990s a series of experiments undertaken by Nicholas Spanos examined the nature of past life memories. Descriptions of alleged past lives were found to be extremely elaborate, with vivid, detailed descriptions. Subjects who reported memories of past lives exhibited high hypnotizability, and patients demonstrated that the expectations conveyed by the experimenter were most important in determining the characteristics of the reported memories. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_life_regression#Sources_of_memories
If memory serves me correctly (pun intended) the woman said she had previously been a cat. At any rate she got along just fine with the rest of the old souls. My opinion at the time was and still is, “Hmmm – that’s interesting – maybe – who knows”. It’s unlikely that someone who has experienced a haunting can be convinced that it was imagination and hallucination. It’s a big universe,170 Billion galaxies in the observable universe at last count, and many things are possible.
According to Buddhism too, our past track is very, very long.
Universes go through phases of creation, sustenance and destruction.
The average life time of an universe is 1000 billion years.
There is an infinite number of universes, as there is no beginning in time.
Each one of our thoughts and actions leaves imprints on our mind stream.
These imprints (called karma) are like mental seeds.
They germinate later, either in this lifetime or in future lifetimes.
There is white karma (good actions) and black karma (harmful actions).
This germination is triggered by external events.
That is the concept of restimulation in Scientology,
but in Buddhism, both bad and good karmas are restimulated,
When Scientology cares only about negative imprints.
The fruits from old karmas are of the same nature as the seeds.
For example an apple tree will grow from an apple seed,
Similarly the consequences of robbery will be poverty in future lives,
and the consequences of generosity will be wealth in future lives.
According to Buddhism, when an old karma bears it fruits,
it is destroyed in the process, the mental imprint is erased.
So our mental and physical sufferings have a positive aspect,
as their roots are destroyed, that is like a purification.
We can purify negative karmas in order to prevent negative consequences,
with practices such as confession (mental confession to the Buddha),
the decision not to commit again harmful acts,
generosity and helping others in order to clean our past harmful actions.
In Scientology too there are purification practices,
such as confession and past incidents auditing.
But remembering the past is not really efficient, and
Scientology lacks essential practices (compassion, generosity, making amends…)
Curiosus,
You wrote beautifully and accurately IMO.
Hi Curiosus – Nice to see you again. I posted my comment before I saw your comment and it somewhat fits in with yours although I was being facetious. It might be morphic resonance as Rupert Sheldrake would say.
(In brief and oversimplified, morphic resonance is Sheldrake’s theory that knowledge can be passed between groups which are unknown to each other. The theory is given little credence in the scientific community but it’s something to think about.)
Why is remembering even a goal or considered a desirable thing? From Wikipedia: “Some ancient Greeks believed that souls were made to drink from the river [Lethe] before being reincarnated, so they would not remember their past lives.” Sounds like a blessing to me. This life is quite enough, thanks.
Hi Mike, so I’m wondering if you reject absolutely everything about “Scientology” as false? Or are there things that you find you simply can’t give up and still cling to? In other words, is your “mind cancer” simply in “full remission”, or are you “cured”?
You can never be sure. My thought or inculcated thought? A lifetime of indoctrination makes it hard to tell sometimes. It’s a trial and error process and you never can be sure the last vestiges of the bubble-think are gone. Nor that all of it is wrong…
My sentiments as well. It’s the beginning scientology I studied in 1969, 1970 which followed a four year stint in the military which helped me get back on the rails.
I actually began to like people back then. I have regressed since then.
I wish someone had pointed this out to me 50 years ago. TC you are an island of logic in a sea of insanity.
Six hundred quadrillion facsimiles floating around in our minds!
Quick gut check here, scientologists. The human brain only has only 100 billion neurons, interconnected via trillions of synapses, far far short of three quadrillion engrams and six hundred quadrillion facsimiles.
As there aren’t even enough cells in the entire human body, it is impossible and absurd to assign any importance to ole’ LRH fantasies. It is all make-believe.
Ah! A “brain theory” boy (or gal)! But this is precisely what happens when you equate the brain with the mind. Hint: they’re not the same. Alright now?
You are so wise Effy Poo. Thanks for staying with us and giving nus yer wonnerful hints!
I know! Well, as John Wayne apparently stated “Life is hard; it’s harder if you’re stupid!”
Well…. you sure would know.
If all memory were stored in our brains and/or all the other cells in the body, would not they vanish when the body dies? I don’t think that anyone has ever taken their brain into the afterlife.
Yes, exactly my point.
Good Foolproof, WhatAreYourCrimes, and Peabody,
My personal experience on this subject came from endurance climbing when my brain ceased working due to low blood sugar. I could not count steps 1 to 10; I could not form a sentence to speak. I sat down and went full exterior to get a handle on what was happening. Unless you have gone exterior there is no way to make it real to someone. Or convince them otherwise.
What I observed was the brain ( computer hard drive) was unable to fire the neurons in sequence to construct a simple sentence or to move the body smoothly. I looked around and recognized objects, but had no names for them (trees, rocks, ravens, etc) I saw that the brain has all of the learned memories of objects of-this-lifetime (software), but not my past life memories. I saw that 99.99% of those memories were going to erase when the body dies, and I sure as heck would not carry them with me. I saw the spinning discs stacked up my spine (Chakras) and that they held the conditioned programming for moving the body. After 10 minutes or so I got recovered enough to get back to my car and packets of honey. Back in the body felt strange for a minute or so, then back to normal.
For what it’s worth.
Jim: A constructive and useful comment for a change. If I’d stated it my comment would draw purely negating comments but we notice that no one has replied – it’s all gone quiet.
Foolproof,
Sometimes I go with the flow, sometimes I don’t. It’s all part of the fun. Change is fun too.
If only you could make a “constructive, useful” comment for a change. We’ll all be waiting with baited breath, no doubt.
Jim – “For what it’s worth.” To me your comment is worth something. Probably most people have never had paranormal or supernatural experience and it wouldn’t fit their reality. For those who have it does. Also, failure at or disgust with ANY spiritual, philosophical or religious practice might lead someone to scientific materialism which is fine if that’s what one chooses.
“If you believe in LRH’s cosmology, every single last thing in our universe is a booby-trap waiting to key us in. Nothing is benign. Everything is dangerous.”
Well Terra, that about sums up Ron’s state of consciousness. From this simple statement is the very definition of his paranoid state of mind fighting invisible aliens, FBI, CIA, AMA, Dentists, priests, the Taxman, Marcabs, Communists, Psyches, Critics and SP kittens.
Dentists? Huh? Oh! I see – with regard to laughing gas engrams I suppose? As for the rest of the list I think even Mike would say there is plenty of documented (gasps from “lab rat” audience) evidence of attacks on Scientology from most of the list you mention. I notice you slipped “SP kittens” in to the list to try and make light of it all – very jocular – haha! And “paranoid” implies that these things did not really exist – well, no there are no critics of Scientology then eh? But now do tell of your experiences running your version of OTIII from your back porch without a meter for 3 weeks – presumably chasing “invisible aliens”. They can’t have been that “invisible” then, well, not for 3 weeks of trying then eh? Unless they were? But then why did you take 3 weeks to find this out?
And for those believers and cultists who say “Ron was attacked by some of these actual, visible, non alien critics”: you are correct.
They were after him for tax evasion and fraudulent healing claims.
They were trying to keep society safe from a con man.
But the cult view is:
Whole track evil psyches and invader forces have taken bodies as CIA, FBI, Tax man, Priests, journalists etc.
These make believe paranoid delusions of Ron’s are trying to stop “mankind’s only hope and mankind’s best friend” from clearing this sector of the universe.
The creation of these Sci Fi imaginary enemies whose purpose is to enslave the universe, gives purpose to vulnerable, naive people – like Foolproof who need to feel good about themselves.
Lacking real self worth and self realization, this purpose to fight the evil imaginations of Ron, gives purpose to cult mentalities.
It fills the holes in their souls. It gives them an elitist world saver mindset that over compensates for a spiritual emptiness and feeling of powerlessness.
World savers can be dangerous people. They can be like politicians who believe they are the “only one’s” who have an answer to human suffering.
There can be nothing more dangerous than a world saver. They have self righteous reasons to harm people to protect the “only way out”.
I’ve come to the conclusion that world savers are Narcissists. They over compensate for their feeling of inner worthlessness by elevating themselves to SAVING THE WORLD!
I know this to be true because I’ve had to uncover this in myself.
World savers are empty within themselves. They fill the empty spaces of their souls with the imaginary greatest of planet saver and SP fighter.
It’s a psychological condition. Fighting the enemies of “mankind’s only hope” is the overcompensation, trying to make up for an inner emptiness.
Brian: Your comment makes me wonder how many active Scientologists are actually still in the game for the purpose of saving the world. When I was in, one of my “withholds” was that I wasn’t trying to save the world. I was simply trying to handle my own personal case. If this happened to rub off on my environment, great. If not…
From the beginning, I thought the idea of scientology running the planet was a scary idea. I was later relieved when I realized that scientology was unable of running itself.
Bad Terra! Wanting happiness for yourself and neglecting this sector of Hubbard’s madness. Lol!
I think probably a lot of present members think they are saving the universe.
That concept fits quite nicely into the dysfunction of insecure people wanting to fit in a seem valuable.
It definitely filled in the holes in my self confidence.
The disenfranchised and misfits finally get a low rent boost to self image, worth and confidence.
Hey look at me! I’m saving the universe but can’t pay my rent.
Hey see how important I am as I tower over wog losers for being trapped in implants.
I bought it lock stock and barrel. I’m sure there are many still in who have replaced a normal ego for Ron’s mega ego.
You’re making it all up again. Where did Hubbard say that these long dead beings have now taken over current bodies? Could this be your basic misunderstanding? No, let me answer that – it’s nowhere near it – there are hundreds of others. Brian, don’t resort to making thing sup to try and bolster your silly arguments.
Well, L. Ron Hubbard said this in the NOTs Series. Is this adequate?
Have you considered the sociological impact that you are having by auditing NOTs? You are turning free beings loose in torrents. This is bound to have an effect on society, especially when these start picking up bodies and turn up to join the team at their local org! You are not just auditing one pc at this level, you are churning out cleared beings in volume, and we will start seeing the results sooner or later on society in general. Maybe you have thought about this too, it’s nice to recognize the good effects you are creating!
It is so amazing how people still think like this Mike. Thanks for posting that.
I feel bad for them in a way. It’s sad really that a human being endowed with reason can even think like this.
At every turn and opportunity Hubbard and his delusional doctrines must be exposed to save people from joining.
My God are you two thick or something? Or is it desperately scrabbling for an answer here to my rather straightforward question?This has nothing to do with Brian’s original remark and is a completely different concept! So I expose the original remark as nonsense (as Hubbard said no such thing) and now you interject this as somehow being connected as “proof” of the made-up nonsense. You’ve been around reporters too long.
Anyone can read the comments above, you know that right?
Note to all:
Never defend, always attack. Is there still any doubt who this guy is. Or gal?
The word obnosis comes to mind. Sooooo obvious.
He’s a good specimen for observation. He’s sort of cute in a demented way.
He never disses Miscavige; have you noticed?
And always attacts and never defends.
He never disses the Sea Org or GOOSA past crimes; have you noticed?
He never defends, he always attacks.
He’s or she’s either a shut in who hasn’t been in contact with the real world, like that Japanese Warrior they found on some island still fighting the war way after it was over.
Or this guy or gal is OSA. I’d bet money OSA. The nastiness fits the MO.
You either still don’t get it or being deliberately obfuscating. Probably both. Here is the original statement from Back Porch Brian: “Whole track evil psyches and invader forces have taken bodies as CIA, FBI, Tax man, Priests, journalists etc.” Somewhat different than the more simple one of thetans get reborn into other bodies. Now, how are you going to twist that then? Even Torquemada George and his sudden belief in Hinduism can’t really gainsay that one then eh? Or are you going to mock Hindu beliefs of reincarnation now?
I wonder what the next comment will be that you think serves to deflect. Yes, as observed, many on here cannot discern differences. Maybe now they can, well, a bit anyway.
LRH said in the NOTS references, “You are turning free beings loose in torrents. This is bound to have an effect on society, especially when these start picking up bodies and turn up to join the team at their local org! ” Then why are the orgs all struggling to get and keep staff?
Because Hubbard was nuts ?
Haha! I provide this definition for Terra as undoubtedly he has burnt his own Tech Dictionary in some sort of misplaced and chagrined rage at going past his MisUs. From the Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary: NOT-ISNESS definition “3 . there are two different conditions of not-is-ness: one is just vanishment. The other one is an is-ness which somebody is trying to postulate out of existence by simply saying, “It isn’t.” A not-is-ness, in our terminology, would be this second specialized case of an individual trying to vanish something without taking responsibility for having created it.” (PXL, p. 100).
The other definitions are also useful of course. Well, providing one wants to look that is.
I wonder if you realize that this is complete gibberish to a wog.
He doesn’t care. We wogs are too low level to properly understand his genius. I’m surprised I’ve lived an incredible, successful and perfectly joyous life without his advice and knowledge. But I’m glad he comments. Insanely fascinating and I do want to hear all thoughts and opinions. Plus he’s a perfect catalyst for blowing scientology!
Yes, it probably is – so what? Most of the people on here are aware of the Technical Dictionary and many terms of it. If they aren’t well, what are they doing here?
Any human being who defines critics as criminals can not be taken seriously in creating definitions in dictionaries.
To elevate Hubbard to scholar takes a lot of make believe.
Taken seriously by whom, the critics? So now you are defining your type of human being.
If the Tech Dictionary is all that, why does COS not publish it anymore?
Why are the only sources on the Web not COS-affiliated?
What a shocker that FP didn’t reply to this.
In 1950 Dianetics release, he said two people could clear them selves of engrams, and could become clear of all aberration.. A few years later we have scientology when in the PDC’s Hubbard says whole sale engrams could be gone with creative processing.
Let’s not forget about the “be 3 feet back of your head” to become a clear.
It’s all bullshit.
Yes, very sorry that he didn’t immediately, in 1950 that is, solve all the problems of the human mind and spirit but then he didn’t have any previous workable research or lab rats to base his actions on. Nowadays of course if 2 people did the New Era Dianetics course they could of course clear each other from engrams – what’s your point? As for Creative Processing I believe (I wasn’t around then) it proved too difficult as a lot of people found it too difficult to grasp or run, so he had to create something else in its lieu, which he then did. Yes, so sorry about all that. As I said to Mike I will telex Ron on Target 2 and ask him to beg for your forgiveness on this! Do you know of any other technology in this regard? I’m all ears!
That is the big lie we bought into Foolproof: flawless 100% standard technology.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Scientologists have ingested so many complex lies and half truths about Hubbard’s complex fallacious scientism that they are incapable, at this point, in comprehending the simplicity of a workable spiritual science.
Hubbard made it so complex that the stark simplicity of spiritual practice is relegated to the musings of unlettered rubes by the overly complex fallacies, truths and half truths of Hubbard’s doctrines.
Scientologists equate doctrinal complexity with mature knowledge.
Spiritual life is soooooo simple, but difficult to master.
Even if you asked me Foolproof for my practice I would never share it with you. The world view and philosophy you learned from Hubbard bars your capacity to comprehend the simplicity of spiritual living.
If it doesn’t have a billion pieces of disjointed data to explain life then it’s of no use.
The important truths of life: practical and theory, that lead to freedom from the limits of the body: spiritual liberation, can be written on a few pages.
The one missing simplicity I found in my experience in Scientology was the development of moral character.
In all schools of thought and practice, the development of moral character is spirituality 101.
If that foundation is not in, no advancement of the spirit is possible.
“I am not interested in wog morality” L Ron Hubbard
“We are not moralists” L Ron Hubbard
And thus the condition of the “church” of Scientology. The foundation was never poured into the hearts of his students because he avoided the basics.
He taught his subjects to harm human beings and be hateful to those with a different opinion. That’s thug school, not religion.
Your personality, Foolproof, is a great example of that missing virtue of moral character.
This statement is not an attack, it’s an impartial observation done with no malice or agression. Something you are expert at this expressing.
Don’t make me laugh – you are a master of malice and aggression which your posts always start off with and then when I come along and point out a few things suddenly you are trying to position the malicious boot on my foot.
As to the “big lie” of 100% Standard Tech that “we” bought into, how do you explain your atrociously squirrel running of OTIII then? Seems like you never bought into anything but sold it down your own personal river. Your use of the word “we” here is of course hoping to rope in the dopes who agree with you.
As to Scientology being complex, well, undoing eternity is not going to be a walk in the park, but it helps if you look up your MisUs and don’t run OTIII whilst doing so – walking in the park that is. Were you taking the dog for a walk at the same time?
You should also look up the word “morals” and its difference to ethics, or are you a believer in female circumcision or arranged marriages or being stoned to death? Yes I am sure you are very “moralistic”.
Beautifully said Brian! TY ☺
Back in yer hole Eff Pee. Remind me to refer to my ‘tech dictionary’ next time I am looking for answers and I want to really confront the truth….. that is.
For christs sake (not El Rons) when are ya gonna wake the fuck up Effy? Hangin around the OSA bunker is only gonna make it worse for you in the end. That tech you speak of is only for kool aide consumers and the ‘tech dictionary is no longer even in print!
Hi Foolproof! Great to hear from you. You need to read my book. I cover this topic:
Hubbard borrowed all of these definitions from Blavatsky who was covering Hindu cosmology. Being, Beingness and Not Beingness were originated in the 1870’s. The link to Is-ness and not-isness is listed as perception. Hubbard simply took Hindu philosophy and developed “double perception”. In double perception the thetan perceives and then perceives and “fools” itself into a second perception or an illusion. Hubbard had to invent a twisted idea to justify his idea of the thetan. Hubbard based his religion on untested assumptions copied from Blavatsky. I got news for you. You can work it all out with a single perception. Nature moves to the simple.
Very good George. But then did the Hindus invent the Grades processes, objectives, engram running, rudiments handling, correction lists, the use of the e-meter, how to study. I could go on and on as you might know (?) but then I might spontaneously combust! Did you not realize that Scientology is a simple or can be complex observations of the existing universe? As Hubbard said he is only reminding us of what we have forgotten. Alright now? Hubbard didn’t “invent” beingness etc. All these things are already there. He codified it and presented it and more importatnly ways t handle it. So you spent 30+ years in Scientology but didn’t know this? Tut tut! No wonder you fell for (or promulgated) that “New OTVIII” nonsense.
So you admit Hubbard was not Source. He was a Chinese Government worker who codified a few laws.
The Hindus gave us levitation which Hubbard could not do.
My my what a snake charmer you are eh? Or even a fakir (sic)? Does the snake spontaneously combust when it has levitated? You still can’t grasp it can you? What does “Hubbard didn’t “invent” beingness etc. All these things are already there.” mean? Typical flustered answer. And I thought your phrase of “codified a few laws” was extremely good – this must take the biscuit of how to understate something and hoping that the recipient of your nonsense is not as crafty as you are. “Understate” of course is me being nice – ha!
Wish there was a Expandacadabra spell someone could use on that diamond cutting noggin of yours. Its a circular system of logic. Not one to lead people on a straight and buildable path, but one of intentional cognitive dissonances woven into its very core.
So why are you chasing the purple dragon and making a case for illogical fluff from a Z list sci fi author? I’ll stick to the power of now, help others (there is nothing more uptone than empathy and assisting those in need), and make my relationships go right by being real. Sounds like Terra has a real EIQ (emotional IQ) versus your canned chatter, which takes real self exploration and inner expansion. Id rather have an MU about LRH’s insignificant brain farts than have a complete MU on the human condition.
Terra, you delight with your words and works ? have a wonderful week!!!!!
Healthymee: Gracias!
Now now, I assume you are replying to me but I don’t see much empathy in your remarks. Now, well, at least with the power of Now there is a chance of coming up to present time, not much of one now, but a faint chance, now, perhaps? I started reading the book a long time ago (not now, but then) and threw it in the bin after about 1 chapter. Now, how about that then?
How long before the planet is cleared? 2025? 2525?
Great comment Healthymee!
As they say “Do the math.” This is particularly telling if one considers one of dianetics’ great selling points, namely that it “outperforms” psychotherapy. The former one was supposedly all about providing results in a matter of days and with a very few sessions (often administered by fellow enthusiasts) while the latter one just takes too damn long to be practical.
Good point, Terra, but actually the situation is even more absurd than that.
What is memory?
Hubbard said we take a “snapshot” in 57 perceptics somewhere around 25 times a second. Nowhere is it recorded how he came up with these numbers, probably from the vicinity of his nether regions. But just assuming the visual “picture” is at least a web-ready 3D shot and the 56 other perceptics are at the typical 12 bit or so resolution you are storing something like 1 billion bits of data per second. There are about enough neurons in the brain (if you take one neuron as being able to store one bit of data) to store about one and a half minutes at that rate.
Hubbard, probably rightly, cited research that indicates that the brain is not capable of that kind of storage. But then he went far wrong, inventing some kind of non-material storage mechanism instead. In a strange twist he went even further to call it “mental mass” and insisted that it could be measured by a skin resistance meter!
Well, Mr. Hubbard, if it is incorporeal it can’t be measured. By definition.
Modern research, covered in the excellent book “The Memory Illusion” by Dr. Julia Shaw, reveals that the issue is simply misstated. Instead of starting with the assumption that all experience is stored, start with the assumption that you create your memories as you “recall” them. Some information is stored, some is inferred from broad general storage, some is invented on the fly. Some very vivid important memories, that you take the time to recall often, are recorded in fairly good detail. Others are vague impressions that you use other memories to flesh out when you recall them.
Dr. Shaw relates an experiment that all Scientologists should take very seriously. In it, she sets out to deliberately create a false memory. Read the book for details, but her experimental subjects ended up with completely false memories that they insisted were utterly true. They could not in any way distinguish these false memories from true ones. The procedure is a lot like what Scientologists do to “go whole track” or recall incidents before this life.
This is another case of unscientific Hubbard “research” methodology. He took some poorly understood 40s era psychological ideas, like:
“we only use 10% of our brains!”,
“computers cannot make errors!”,
“all of us have eidetic memory if only it could be unlocked!”
and extrapolated them into extravagant flights of fancy. True to his Science Fiction and Fantasy author roots.
Why did Hubbard use false memory?
Why did Hubbard need the whole track, billions upon billions of engrams and so on? Because it became obvious pretty early on that there is not enough trauma in anyone’s current life to explain all of his troubles.
He promised super-human abilities in his first book – freedom from the common cold, from eyeglasses, the ability to recall every moment of your life. Even in the first book he was forced to invent pre-natal trauma to explain his failures using only the current life.
When honest and scientifically minded followers utterly failed to produce Clears using present life plus prenatal incidents he started to use completely imaginary incidents. This alienated his first followers, but he was able to find new ones. A pattern continued for the rest of his checkered career.
Let’s learn something from Hubbard’s failures. Truth is hard, often the hardest won victory of your life. To test every assertion, to be willing to be wrong often enough that you finally get it right, to rise above prejudice, these are values that are not common in today’s world. We live in the post-modern, post-science, post-truth era where everyone has seemingly embraced Hubbard’s credo that “What is true is what is true for you”. “Truth is certainty”. So if you squeeze your eyes tightly shut and really really really believe in fairies, Tinkerbell won’t die. Right.
Truth still matters, and it can still be found if one is willing to look. Not on Wikipedia or the first page of a Google search. Really looking, harder than it sounds, but essential if you want to avoid the cons and charlatans like Hubbard.
“Skin resistance meter”? I suggest you look at Mike’s posting of John Sweeney’s BBC report wherein Mike’s cobber Marty does a pinch test on Sweeney. Or was it Sweeney’s “skin” remembering the pinch? Will you now post some more long-winded nonsense to explain this? Sweeney is amazed and then afterwards Sweeney starts to get worried that Marty might have missed a “naughty” withhold on him (Marty didn’t – he knew he had – haha – “reporters” eh?).
As for your “incorporeal – it can’t be measured” – you might try telling that then to the “lab rats” on here who demand “scientific evidence”. So what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander?
Good morning, Foolproof. As it happens, I did do a long-winded explanation of the meter, published on this blog https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-about-the-e-meter/ You bring up a good point that I left out of my long-winded comment for fear of losing my audience. Most religions and a lot of philosophers have embraced the idea of incorporeal existences, ignoring the existentialist concept that “existence precedes essence”. Some say that science disproves such ideas, but in fact no branch of science actually offers any insight into this subject. You can’t prove a negative. For Christians a good bible reference is John 4, the story of the Samaritan woman at the well. Verses 13,14, and 15 – Jesus says
The woman immediately demands this water, with the idea that she won’t have to go to the well anymore. But what is really meant by “living water” is something incorporeal, spiritual, and the woman at the well just doesn’t get it. This device appears in many places in the Gospel of John. In Mark the disciples are even presented as being clueless, thinking of Jesus as a revolutionary or zealot, a king of the Jews to oppose the Romans, when in reality there was nothing political in his message. Making a long very complex story short, I and many others hope for some kind of afterlife. Maybe it is just because it is nearly impossible to conceive of your own personal complete extinction. We fondly think we will remember what we do today, but actually there is no promise of that in most religions. Some say we will have a spiritual body, some say the physical body will come back in a perfected form, some say we are reborn as humans or other creatures, some recall the horror film part of Ezekiel 37. Sorry to use a seemingly agnostic excuse, but the truth is we don’t really know. But we do know more today than Hubbard knew about the mechanism of memory and the brain. While we are living in these “meat bodies” here on Earth, we do use the brain to remember. Just because you can create false memories and convince yourself that you are an immortal super-being doesn’t make it so. My advice is to give up the illusion of the uber-mensch that has brought so much grief to the world and concentrate on being the best human being you can in the here and now. One meal for a hungry homeless person is worth 2000 lifetimes driving atomic cars on the Marcabian racetrack.
The tone, patience, and thoughtful rationality of your responses are a balm and a soothing read.
Your civility is such a good, good thing.
Brilliant post Bruce!! ☺. I really appreciate your opinions and insights here on this blog. TY buddy.
Um, I think Bruce is calling the E-meter the “skin resistance” meter to point out how absurd it is that you could measure intangibles of
“memory mass” with it… I don’t think Bruce is defending any of L Ron’s hokum. Maybe he is long winded but it’s not in defense of Scamology. Foolproof am I getting you mixed up? You’re not a defender of “The Tech” and neither is Bruce. Time out, chill
I am afraid you are getting mixed up. Bruce is not a “defender of the faith”, I am. Bruce did mean exactly what he meant. So did I. Chill!
Foolproof is absolutely a defender of the “tech”, as well as Hubbard’s vile, cruel policies. He’s a fanatical $cientologist to his core.
Ah! Katherine Invalidate – took you quite a while to get on the bandwagon here! You’re slipping! Or as we say in Scientologese “your stats are down!”
Careful. Your immaturity is showing.
This is well written, brings up several important points, it is quite helpful to me.
Thank you.
Skin contact indeed! (such a good part)
Bruce: Nice addition! Well said. Thanks.
NOW you’ve done it TC…..NEVER ASSUME….it makes an ASS (out of) U (&) ME…….. so says Xenu from far out in the universe…..sadly Math was never his subject so his quadrillions are always off……
Hubbard regarded all humans with complete contempt from his ivory (research) tower. I sure didn’t think that once, but I know it now. Just how many promises did he make? And how many became true?
Just ponder what it would take to be his friend – which way is the admiration expected/demanded to flow? Feel familiar? Sauce, opps, source indeed!
Your article writing ability sure has improved TC, good work!
Thanks, I Yawn.
TO RIDICULE A WRONG TARGET IS FOCUSING ON NO PRODUCT AND SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SPANISH DID TO THE MAYAN CIVILIZATION AS THA MOB KILLED MOST AND DESTROYED MUCH OF THAT TECHNOLOGY. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF? WASN’T ONE OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS GUILTY BETRAYAL AFTER TRUST?
HMM.
ONE MIGHT DO WELL TO FOCUS UPON THE DEBT UPON EACH CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY AND WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT. SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT AND NEEDS TO BE HANDLED AS EACH OF US ARE THE EFFECT OF THOSE WHO WOULD INFLATE AND DEBASE MONEY. THAT IS THEFT BIG TIME.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE POPULATION OF A COUNTY WHEN ITS DEBT IS NO LONGER FINANCED? MICHE CONSULT PETER SCHIFF OR QANNON OF READ THE CREATURE FROM JACKAL ISLAND BY E GRIFFON.
Mike, how did this shouting economics gibberish get past you?
Hey Happy, Stop yelling.
Using all caps = yelling.
Why are you yelling?
The book ,”The Creature from Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin lacks academic thought, has very few facts but is rich in paranoid conspiracy theories.
It is not the best example for any rational argument on the present National Debt.
Please do not use all-caps. It makes you look like you’re screaming and it is harder to read.
Now what did you say?
Say what?
That, was a great post and absolutely true, except for the one that’s better for me — no such thing as engram 🙂
Oh! Really? So you don’t get pains or aches in areas of previous injury then? Never feel depressed or down for “no reason”? Shall I carry on?
No, you can stop now if Dave says it’s OK.
Yes, far too “restimulative” eh?
FP is attempting to run a process on all of us by asking two unrelated questions and then asks if he can continue by running a non-reading question or two. That would be a FLUNK, if anyone really gives a shit.
Well if you “went into session” with that innocuous remark then perhaps you’d better go and see an auditor before you faint with the pressure. Which question read, by the way? Obviously something did. But you don’t believe in auditing, so don’t worry about it.
Terra,
Good write up.
I looked behind Hubbard’s writings and found, earlier than Crowley and Blavatsky, the Hindu/Buddha statement of Akasha and the Akashic Record. ‘Akashic records are a compendium of all human events, thoughts, words, emotions, and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future. ‘ They are accessible in the etheric plane.
Hubbard probably knew about the Akashic Record but, in his usual BS manner made up ‘File Clerk’ to add to his long list of made up words.
But Jim, how did you remember the term and concept of “Akashic record” then? And surely the term “file clerk” is much more down to earth (sic) to explain the action you made in remembering? Where is this Akashic record “stored” then, if it exists as you or it is mysteriously described? Even Shakespeare said “A ‘file clerk’ by any other name smells just as sweet!” or did I not remember that correctly?
Oh Hi Foolproof,
Well, I did not ‘remember’ the Akashic Record. I found it referenced in Hindu, Buddhaism, and Chakra healing literature; and looked into it. The “File Clerk” may suffice when one is limiting one’s self inside the Hubbard/Dianetic/Scientology universe. (In fact, one is discouraged from looking beyond that universe while inside.) My opinion is that the file clerk, as defined in the Tech Dictionary, is an unnecessary via when one is able to access the Akashic Record.
After a point Hubbard/Dn/Sci did not provide further answers for me and was constraining my expansion. So I had to expand my search and found subjects, studies, and explainations that were broader and of senior truth to what I studied in Hubbard/Dn/Sci. And as per the Word Clearing, SuperLit Course, and Study Tech one is supposed to go earlier and similar to get to the root of the word or concept. Thus, the file clerk is the latest on the chain and of little value.
I owe Hubbard/Dn/Scio a lot for getting me on the path towards enlightenment. It is a shame that they advertised beyond what they could produce.
See? Dude actually took El Con’s numbers and definitions at face value and showed us their ” logical ” outcome. In scientology land, writing this essay would get you sent to
” ethics “, and you would be checked for ” misunderstood words, hidden crimes, and personal connections to psychiatrists, intelligence agents, or other SP’s .” You don’t
” study” a goddamned thing in scientology; you swallow things whole, without question, and like it, and pay for it, obediently and repeatedly, forever and ever, amen! As you do this, you know that failure to apply this “data” , failure to ” apply it correctly”, failure to acknowledge its unalterable perfection(and the OaTmeal perfection of its author) by doubting or criticizing it, and failure to ” win” from its usage are heinous crimes that you must surrender your privacy, dignity, and money to correct, because said failures reflect your reactive-mind-driven, out-ethics sullying of The Only True Path To Spiritual Freedom.
Orwellian, yes? Freedom is slavery! Move up in status today!
Blind obedience- do as you are told and hand over your cash NOW – sickening, just sickening ?
That’s right Mark. When I was public in DC they pressured into doing the purification rubdown. I ended up doing it at the gym that I was a member of, they sent someone to supervise. A few things were done that wasn’t correct, I don’t remember what they were but I mentioned it to the purif. supervisor. Somehow our friend Steve Lower found out about the remarks. He called me at home to find out if I was upset, I said no it wasn’t a big deal and I thought the matter was over. The next time I was in DC I was literally interrogated. I was on the meter being asked if I had said something negative about the CS. Had I had a negative thought about LRH? Do I know another technology that works? I felt like I was in the twilight zone and I never went back despite Steve’s desperate pleas to get me back.
Life is indeed good, TC. And, I too love Mexican food. I’ve been eating it since I was 5.
Great post!
Agreed, and a nice cold cerveza or two to wash it all down. Life’s simple pleasures. Worth every moment. Believing in all this, “everything is restimulative” stuff is like rotten eggs served up for the soul.
One man’s almost total world of membership control and rules for running of the movement, by the time Hubbard died. All his writings added up to a totalistic world of staff and membership participation with an intense (takes months to read all his full rules and staff jobs and the practitioner staffs’ jobs upholding the whole charade of a “religion”).
L. Ron Hubbard’s full layout of his Scientology membership framework is tedious to layout to even grasp how extensive it is, top to bottom.
Too many restrictions, period, to official Scientology participation.
Skip it. Rather adults ought to do more self education and regular world education over Scientology’s limited Hubbard world of ideas.
People new to Scientology and who are not prone to accept past-lives concepts, nor accept concepts of surplus bodiless souls floating all over earth and infesting all humans today (Scientology believe an ancient space leader Xenu, the ultimate Scientology taboo bad guy, caused zillions of bodiless souls, called “body-thetans” and the two word “body-thetans” is a taboo word to write or utter publicly by official Scientologists; the surplus souls infest all humans today for which Scientology’s OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 levels of exorcism supposedly rid a person of all of their Xenu’s earth dumped “body-thetans” infesting their human body today).
The beliefs make sense if you believe in the soul, and the possibility that souls are everywhere in the universe and Scientology wishes to supposedly make us humans today free of our infestations of these surplus souls infesting us, to exorcise us of our ‘body-thetans” we’ve accumulated in our human bodies, by doing L. Ron Hubbard’s secret exorcism secret “OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7” levels.
Scientology is a learned false fantasy spiritual problem and L. Ron Hubbard “solution” spiritual scam.
People in Scientology naturally grow up during the time they are unfortunately taken in by Scientology, and mature naturally, despite the Hubbard nonsense fantasy beliefs and the pseudo-therapy and exorcism.
All of the false fiddle faddle Hubbard framework rules and regulations overcoming and false accomplishments provide the participants with a setting in which to seemingly achieve growth. Fighting the false universe Hubbard created, using Hubbard’s concepts and regulations to successfully get out of the mental mess Hubbard falsely claims we all are stuck within.
Well said Chuck.
The “old” OT levels were a contradiction as well, but my take on them is that they were as nonsensical as the results they produced which were not forthcoming either.
Scientology is NOT a result based activity, except if you call lying to get money a result.
Plus 1.
Mind incursion or cult – weigh in every place you can about this phoniness! For example, California Rep. Jackie Speier was covering Jonestown and survived. She may have ideas about how to engage the government to look at scientology as human rights violators, trafficking violators, tax frauders, etc. Go for it!
The tell us all!
That is why LRH envisioned all this as a Religion that does not have to pay taxes as, with the six quadrillion whatever engrams, boy you sure can make a fortune.
He did amass lots of money, not quadrillions, but for sure millions.
On the other hand he died alone, with ZERO friends.
I believe six hundred quadrillion looks like this – 600,000,000,000,000,000.
I Googled, “what does 1 quadrillion look like?” Quora.com used the example of one quadrillion one hundred dollar bills. They started with the fact that there aren’t that many dollar bills in existence. But for giggles they said this:
“Since there isn’t one quadrillion dollars in existence, it doesn’t look like anything, but hypothetically, if there were 1 quadrillion in $100 bills, it would take up roughly 373.26 million cubic feet, which is roughly 4/5ths of the cubic foot area of the largest factory in the world.”
Pictures of big factories are at this link:
https://www.quora.com/What-does-one-quadrillion-dollars-look-like
I wonder what I’d have thought of the idea of having quadrillions of years of engrams if I’d really looked at these numbers? Would I have had a cognitive dissonance moment?
I don’t know, but I had a good chuckle today.
Now I’m hungry.
Does Hubbard ever explain how you know when you’ve remembered all the way back to your “original” lifetime? It would be nice to have a starting point.
This answer I guess, we are supposed to find it in session. Should be easier for the OT8s.
My guess would be that, like in Dianetics, you have what is called a ‘cognition’
that you have reached your earliest life. In other words, you somehow have a
realization that you are experiencing that.
Just my humble opinion.
It might be called the birth of individual consciousness. In the real world many people would say it’s at conception, at birth or at the first moment of self awareness as an infant or toddler.
In scn my co-auditor used the metaphor “The Sea of Theta” which I liked. That would be like a sea of champagne with each bubble popping up being an individual soul/thetan coming into self awareness. Most emotions and interactions with “others” would occur shortly thereafter. Obviously this is completely subjective and would apply only to someone giving some credence to existence before birth. However, I think some religions consider conscious life as a gift from God which might imply some form of preexistence to conception or birth.
P.S. In an auditing session I “recalled” a bit of my birth. I suddenly realized I could breath on my own so I let out a war hoop as loud as I could. That “recollection” seemed pretty real to me – haha.
The starting point???? mmmm, let’s see… begins with money and ends when it runs out. The span of incredible time presented as the cause of your woes is, well… rub a couple of brain cells together and it has nothing to with math except as a banking receipt. Add to that tax exempt status… geezes, what a compounding scam that even rips off non Scios! The golden age of jail time should be the next step in Scientology’s existence. Then, somehow justice should show her illusive face and has the banked money distributed back as well as the money from the sale of all their real estate holdings to the people who actually paid for them, and those who worked for pennies an hour in them. Dingaling and her cohorts should be forced to do that math pro bono. Then, civil actions brought against the perpetrators of enforcing the selling of the snake oil religion known as Scientology, along with all their front groups/entities.