As always, interested to hear your views on season 3’s first episode.
Of course, before it even aired, scientology put out their attempted “Dead Agent” smear of Valerie.
This consists entirely of claims made by her deadbeat brother and his wife — neither of whom know ANYTHING about Valerie’s experiences in the Sea Org and with David Miscavige, and yet assert that Valerie is “selling her soul by telling lies for the attempted creation of ‘reality TV’” …
Jeffrey Haney cries about how Valerie “cut us off” to “destroy their family”. This is the guy who never had a thought about Valerie when she was in the Sea Org. Apparently had no concern over the abuses she suffered or that she became suicidal and eventually escaped in the trunk of a car. This is the guy who “disconnected” at the behest of scientology and then became a “video star” in their newest POW video offering. ( No doubt they will round up some other glassy eyed “former colleagues” of Valerie to shoot some additional videos in the coming days — these scientology videos all have such a “look” to them whether it is sliming former scientologists, telling the world about the wonders of the “Golden Age of Tech” or praising the True Leader David Miscavige, you always know you are looking at a scientology propaganda piece).
Of course, not a SINGLE abuse detailed in the episode is responded to by scientology. All they do is assert it’s all just “lies” and The Aftermath is “designed to break apart families for the sake of emotional impact with a false story that is supposed ‘reality’”. Jeffrey also asserts that Valerie is being “instructed” to do all this “for money, extra furniture, and other perks.” I guess he forgot the bit about how she went to law enforcement BEFORE she appeared on the show? Maybe he thinks the government hands out chairs and beds for anyone who comes in to report a crime? Oh, yeah, he has not seen the show. But he KNOWS it is all lies….
Of course, scientology cannot resist recounting that Valerie failed as a “condom saleswoman” — conveniently omitting the fact that the business where she worked is owned and operated by a prominent and upstanding member of the scientology community in Portland. Somehow this is supposed to taint her reliability? Such odd things scientology thinks make people look bad. They always used to describe me (it was their go-to line before “wife-beater” became the thing) as a “used-car salesman” because I worked at a Toyota dealership. I am absolutely unashamed of making a living selling cars. I met a lot of great people — many of whom are still friends, and actually HELPED people with something they needed in their life. Not like those salesmen that populate the scientology world. Perhaps we should start calling scientologists “failed hype salespeople” or something. Apparently this would be a stinging blow…
Amazingly, they also include a quote from Shakespeare: “An evil soul using a holy story is like a criminal who smiles at you. He looks like a good apple but he’s rotten at the core. Oh, liars can look so honest!” Methinks they should be heeding another great quote from Shakespeare: Those who dwell in houses of glass, should not throw stones. Truly, this is just “filler” as they really have nothing to say — they just want to sound cool by quoting The Bard to repeat the same empty bs “she’s a liar”.
While accusing Leah of paying Valerie to lie by hiring her as her assistant (again, AFTER she had told all to law enforcement), old Jeffrey speaks out the other side of his mouth, claiming she is trying to “make a buck” off her former Church in any way possible. Which is it Jeffrey, is she paying people to lie or making a buck?
I would normally just wrap this up with a quote from Yogi Berra “It’s deja vu all over again.” But Jeffrey Haney is nothing if not creative. He saved the best for me. This is someone I have never met and had never even heard of until shooting this episode.
This is a screen shot of the link that Freedom “Media and Ethics” has to Haney’s letter on their site — I did not want anyone thinking I must have made this up:
Scientology does it again. Smearing. Sliming. Lying.
And proving everything that is said in the show week after week.
Who was the actor? It seems it would be a nice verifying source.
It always makes me very happy to see another person getting free from the coercive control of this cult.
Has anyone ever noticed the churches legal letters read like they come in pre printed pads of letters with blanks for the name and everytime scientology needs to write a new one, they rip of the next sheet and fill it in with the names and go from there.
I forget who said it, but the crux was that this ongoing offensive and the POW videos are more about so David the Dwarf Miscaviage can see that things are being done to deal with the perceived problem than actually seeking to convince a non scientologist of anything
On a purely random note, I’ve just come back from Sydney post cruise. Discovered the hotel I stayed in my first night was two doors up from the Sydney Church of Scientology, never saw a single sea org member anywhere
Mike,
Has anyone thought about dropping leaflets with information or disposable cell phones over the area so people can call for help? Or parking a bus outside of their jurisdiction so they can hop on if they can get away?
It might help a few who are ready to leave and can get away.
Lois
The Brainwashed Myrmidons in the C0$ are so brainwashed they don’t realize that the attacks on ex members are so devoid of credibility that they are the only ones who believe their “own” lies.
“Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will.” – Joseph Goebbels
Having never been staff or Sea Org, I’m not qualified to opine, so take this for what its worth; it APPEARS that once one of the so-called “brainswashed” DECIDES to leave, he or she finds a way, and gets the hell out. Such people LEAVE. They route out or they blow.
I’m only floating the possibility that perhaps what we on the outside are seeing as their wanting to leave but not being able to is not the actual truth. Instead, perhaps what we are “seeing” are people who have not yet decided to leave.
Just a thought.
Are there any details about the “police report” made by valerie? Like what did she report? And was it before or after she “properly” routed out?
It was after she routed out. And there are no details available.
Holy freaking cannoli…. So, Mike Rinder just blurted out that he’d kill his kids “if it weren’t illegal”. Copy that. They don’t have any concept of subtlety or reality, do they? Looking forward to watching this episode over the weekend. Keep it up Mike and Leah!
Dearest Mike. GREAT JOB you guys. Show was intense, both the one with you and Leah’s family, and then the one with Valerie. I am so impressed and THANK YOU for your continued work. Also, you guys may know about this, but I thought it a point of interest. About Kirstie Alley selling her home to move to Clearwater, and becoming the official “face” host, for the Scientology channel??
https://radaronline.com/photos/kirstie-alley-selling-la-mansion-to-live-in-clearwater-scientology-capital/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation&spot_im_comment_id=sp_b4kyzsna_1649756_c_G5OP3u
Tom Cruise and Kirstie Alley are Big Beans.
They are getting old and simply having the realization ( implanted by LRH )
It’s time to wear the boots in the sky.
Many Scientologists in the little Org we used to attend in our City have also moved to Cultwaters Florida.
Moving to Clearwater is a Scientological EP? They think it will be better than surrounded by WOGS.
They could not have a better spokeshole to further damage their “church”
Soon COB will announce the Scientological hand gesture
Giving the finger
Kirstie Alley has passed the drill with a VWD from COB
It’s interesting to watch these plans for celebrities such as Cruise and Alley to move to Clearwater as well as the property consumption by scientology and scientologists such as Agami and Steve Anderson. This appears to be the vision of david miscavige but maybe it was the mind meld with his BFF Tom Cruise – that of a hustling bustling city of scientologists comings and goings and putting up with the occasional wog (that ventures into downtown Clearwater to see the clown show or the train wreck as the case might be).
It truly does appear as if the church of david miscavige is going to consolidate around Clearwater and set it up as a THE city of scientology. GEEZ! I can see the regging for donations for this new bright and shiny city. It’ll be the place to live and be for scientologists.
Perhaps I’m being too much of an optimist again, but it could be that they are practically being forced to consolidate in Clearwater due to their consistently declining membership numbers, with no “fresh meat” joining their ranks (thanks to all of you guys who have shined a bright light on this dark organization).
Their ranks might simply be too thin around the rest of the world (except perhaps around Big Blue) that they have no choice but to gather the last remaining holdouts in one place. Perhaps Clearwater is where Miscavige feels he has to make his final stand in his desperate attempt to salvage what’s left of his crumbling empire.
The bubble is getting smaller for the dwellers. They should all quarantine themselves in Clearwater as a Public Health Service to the rest of the country.
Maybe all the celebs will isolate themselves within a few square miles. It will be easier to keep an eye on them.
I can see Kirstie leaving LA because of Aftermath. How can any high profile Scientologist stand the relentless questions of abuse and cult mentality. The true story of Hubbard and Scientology is closing in on their lives.
It use to be that being a Scientology celebrity was a cool thing. Not anymore. It’s a psychological burden for them. At press interviews they must get nervous.
The dreaded question: “so tell me Scientology celebrity, is it true that many many many people have reported that the leader of the most ethical group on the planet kicks the shit out of people?”
“And what about body thetans, can we talk about that?”
No wonder she wants to leave LA. The squeeze is on.
All of society now see Scientologists and Scientology for what it is – dangerous, and that really is making a tough environment for Ronbots.
The more society finds out about Scientology maybe more celebs will move.
What a great comment Brian. I would bet it’s true.
I think you nailed it Mary! Poor Clearwater.
“Poor Clearwater” is right.
Maybe the cult is hoping that “the face” of SuMP Pump can persuade Jenna Elfman to “turn her back” on Hollywood too. Of course, Dave would build an Ideal Stable for her horse…
Yeah, the cult is closing ranks, alright.
Urgent Cult Memo:
From: COB/RTC David Miscavige
To: Washed Up Scientology Celebs
CC Int C-Listers
CC Int D-Listers
Donkey Punchers (Yeah that’s you, Masterson)
YO!:
Listen up, Slackers!
This is a Call To Arms!
The Enemy Is At The Gate!
As Of NOW you are ALL in LIABILITY
SuMP Is FLOPPING because of YOU
The Stats SUCK and its YOUR FAULT.
Hiding From The Press!
What, Are You – EMBARRASSED to be Scientologists now?
Don’t answer that.
Just Stop Pretending to be Part of the Group
Bullshit Seminars At CC Int
Soaking Up the Love Bombing from the CC Int Staff!
None of that is Giving Me Any STATS.
Here’s what’s Needed and Wanted:
Put your Homes On the Market.
Wrap Up Your Pathetic Lives In California
Move To Clearwater
Work For Me For Nothing.
Think about it:
What ELSE do any of you have Going On?
The Time Is Now.
Much Love,
Dave
I would be very afraid to visit Clearwater! Scientologists should
STAY out of Florida!!! Nothing but a sick Cult!!!
What? Kirstie is the “face” host of scientology tv? What’s a face host? Just a host of the network? Well that’s just hilarious! TY Lynda.
I just read this article about Kirstie Alley and I’m so moved.
She’s putting her LA home on the market and moving to Clearwater.
Leaving behind all that fame, all the adoration of her fans, forsaking the brite lights and her glamorous life in Los Angeles in order serve David Miscavige.
Talk about a beached whale and that phrase can be taken definitively.
Washed up actress, unfunny comedienne, can’t get a job, can’t get a date,, failed entrepreneur, utterly boring potty-mouthed Kirstie is making the supreme sacrifice and “turning her back” on Hollywood.
Wow!
The unselfishness, the nobility of it all, you know?
Thanks for the laugh!
Incredible, insightful episode. Mike, Leah, Valerie and all those who are telling their stories, are finally ACTUALLY making the world a better place. Everyone needs to encourage their friends to watch the show, and all of us, even those with no connections to Scientology, should be grateful to them for what they are doing. Best of luck!
I agree! We all in the the group of humans, and also people that care.
So great to get this update at least as of 2016, that the Hole still unfortunately exists.
Man, I’d think that if the FBI asked the right questions, and had some people with them that the FBI if they raided, they might with help, talk some of the Hole people into fessing up details that’d show constraint and a conspiracy stuff.
I wish some top notch lawyers would be contacted, since there must be some felony violations currently going on in Sea Org high intense situations, and this is multi-state (Florida, California), and the forceful constraining of the “threat” staffers who want to blow, this is a continuing situation.
I know when I was for a very brief period being constrained on the RPF against my will, had the FBI raided right at that moment, I’d have sought their help.
The moment when Sea Org staff choose to secretly blow, that is the moment to get them to understanding outsiders who recognize any criminal stuff.
How to line up a case that can shut down Scientology’s repeated constraining that is illegal, I think some top lawyer(s) need consulting to see what exactly is illegal, and then tee up these continuing moments, and give all the info, and get FBI or police and prosecutors asking the right questions, and help them gather the evidence to shut the Scientology illegal constraining people against their will.
These Scientology lawyers have to be aware they are lying.
Incredible episode.
In the little snippets of the shows to come, is that Janis Grady Gillham in one of the shots? Or was Janis on a last season episode?
Wow, this looks to be a great season, incredible episode.
Great show – But but but Mike I want a bobblehead!
I find it EXTREMELY odd that David Miscavige would want to whisk away a 15 year old girl to “work” for him and his wife.
I know this wasn’t covered in the show and perhaps out of deference to Valerie, but my own belief is that there is a high probability that she was sexually assaulted by David Miscavige AND that is likely a prime reason that his wife was banished to the netherworlds of Scientology never to be seen again — because she knew about it.
Beyond this, I believe that is almost ALWAYS the case with cults and cult leaders, that there probably has been A LOT of sexual abuse by David Miscavige against his brainwashed and serially abused cult members, including both female AND males, and including those not of legal age. Teenagers. I believe there is a Very HIGH probability that David Miscavige is an utterly depraved sexual psychopath.
What about it, David? In addition to being a closeted homosexual in love with
(Tom❤️Cruise)
are you also a pederast?
No sexual anything involved here. It was Shelly who brought her to Gold.
I like to think of davey boy as now being asexual.
Mmmmmm. I’m not convinced, sorry.
It could have also be that Shelly served as the “procuring agent”, or that she herself even has a sexual relationship with her, and/or they BOTH did … the possibilities go on.
Whatever he case, I think most discerning readers and viewers would agree that It is VERY strange that an adult couple acting as the head of a cult group would spirit a 15 year old girl away across the country to “serve” them in some benignly altruistic fashion. I simply don’t buy it. I’ve been around long enough to know how people oftentimes are. “Predators” … it’s all a matter of degree and how far they will go.
Miscavige himself is a psychopath and there are no limits or boundaries to his behavior — only what he wants to do to satisfy whatever it is that floats his boat. Sexually assaulting underaged girls is hardly a stretch.
I don’t think you really understand how the Sea Org works. But unless you ere in it I don’t think you or anyone else could. I know Val very well and have talked to her a lot about her experiences and was there with her for many years.
Having watched the show through, it was clear to me that had Val been sexually abused, she would have blared it out.
Totally! It’s obvious it wasn’t about that. I understand that some people might think that, but if you’ve been paying attention that’s not the case here.
I have to agree with the original commentator. The simplest explanation is almost always the correct answer. Think Ocam’s Razor. You don’t have to “know how Sea Org works” to fill in the blanks on this one. No adult couple — especially a couple heading up a sick and twisted cult like this one quite clearly is, just hauls a 15 year old girl off half way across the country to be their “personal assistant” — without there being a sexual component to the relationship.
You’ll never convince me that David Miscavige was not involved in a long term sexually assaultive relationship with Valerie when she was a young girl, and that the disappearance of Miscavige’s wife during her time as their personal slave somehow played a major role in whatever was going on.
Well the things is I don’t really care if I convince you. You have already decided what you believe and anything I say (or Val) apparently won’t change your mind because you believe you have some knowledge we don’t have.
You guys probably could have done another hour on Valerie’s story. I wanted to hear about what happened after her dad talked her into going back to “route out” and what happened when she showed back up after such a spectacular “blow”? Wouldn’t the abuse just ramp up even more? I’d have been absolutely terrified to return. I can’t believe they let her go after that.
I am also curious about her return to Int.
Personally, I love when the Cult of Scientology’s OSA puts up these sites and gets family members to turn on one another. Not because I like THAT concept at all, I don’t. But because it 100% validates what we’ve all been saying all along.
Scientology is an abusive sociopathic driven cult. If murder were legal, they’d have long started burning people to their mock cross.
“…But because it 100% validates what we’ve all been saying all along.
You nailed it MW. The cherch is it’s own worst enemy.
I watched the Aftermath episode with Valerie. My good god this cult is fucked up! Please keep up the good work and perhaps with enough stories of abuse, the tax free status will be revoked and this dark blot on humanity can be removed.
I have a wonderful idea for one of the heads to be used if you decide to sell bobble-heads to support the Aftermath Foundation. Ask Aaron Smith-Levin if his suppressive/declared dog will pose!
Davy the Showman
Was a real slaphappy soul
With a missing wife and an urge to fight
And his eyes as dead as coal
Davy the Showman
Made the children scream and pray
And were they surprised when
Before their eyes
He came to town one day
There must have been some overts
In that old playpen he found
For when they told him of their sins
He threw them on the ground
Davy the Showman
Was as cruel as he could be
And the children say
He could storm and rage
Not the same as you and me
Watched the show twice last night and as usual was totally captivated and appalled over the horrific abuses this pretend church has and continues to force upon its members. I got really lucky in my life – having a father who had been raised in the Catholic (High Catholic erman Church) where he was abused and beaten by priests and family until he ran away when he was 15! We were raised in a non religious household and told to try out whatever ‘religion peaked our interest’ and encouraged to ‘think for ourselves’. Am (after exploring many – including Eastern, metaphysical etc) at 71 what can best be described an agnostic. My heart breaks beyond my ability to express – for any and all who were denied a ‘choice’. For the life of me – I can’t understand why on earth MsGavage has not been arrested. He is clearly a demented sadist who belongs either in an institution and for sure behind bars. It continues to boggle ones mind how one small tyrant can or is able to control/abuse/destroy multitudes of people – using fear as their weapon. A million thanks for speaking the truth – a million thanks for your courage. Know you are no longer alone.
Hey Mike, what’s your take on the possibility of a revolt against Miscavige from within?
There must be many people like Valerie at Int who see what’s going on.
And OSA who know beyond s doubt that Miscavige beats people up!
Do you thinks it’s possible that some at the top see that all of this bad PR comes from Miscavige?
It’s so obvious.
Not going to happen. Mostly because of Scientology inculcation that if you find yourself in a bad place it because of what you did. Not what someone else did to you.
?
I doubt the people at INT would of seen or heard of The Aftermath
Hopefully some authorities will raid Gold Base and tell everyone there they’re free to leave. I have a feeling more will leave than anyone suspects.
If they had a place to go and a way to get on their feet.
Hi, Mike. We loved it! Jonathan said it was truly accurate and we both found Valerie grounded and and so much more at ease in her own skin than when we first saw her soon after she left.
Warm wishes for the holiday season,
Carol (Jonathan’s wife)
Hey dave,
don’t you get it now?
WE ARE NOT AFRAID.
WE GO PUBLIC WITH OUR TRUTH ABOUT YOUR ABUSE OF STAFF, CHILDREN AND PUBLIC AND THE MULTI MILLIONS YOU HAVE COLLECTED FOR YOUR GOOD AND NO ONE ELSE’S. We don’t care that you send us mail, text and call us to in a vain attempt to get us back into the cult of scn.
WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP UNTIL THE IRS HAS REMOVED ITS TAX EXEMPT STATUS AND THE INHUMANE ABUSES STOP.
tick-tock, davey cabbage head. TICK-TOCK — WE HAVE TRUTH ON OUR SIDE – THE REAL REAL TRUTH
Heber and all other former execs – we love you and pray for you. No 80 yo should be going thru what you are going thru ever.
Valerie realizing something is wrong in Denmark
while working on a set of North Korea and then
fleeing the cult by way of somebody’s car trunk.
What spunk, smarts and how brave! She and
Leah must do very well together.
Mike, Leah and Valerie, Wow, what a bombshell the first episode was! I mean this was a huge blow to DM because it was the Truth. And truth cuts through it all. What a powerful episode and thank you so much, Valerie, for your bravery to come out and talk about the conditions and your escape. You were a survivor and a winner to get out and now I’m glad you landed as Leah’s assistant. You’ll be stellar in that post. Shelley and Leah saw the huge being that you are and snapped you up.
But how telling it is that a church would feel the need to videotape people saying how great DM is and how they were not mistreated all in order to let them leave. What other church does that? NONE of them. Even the Catholics don’t make people swear that they weren’t abused by priests. Even the FLDS don’t make their flock do videos. Even the JW’s don’t do it. That act of videoing the leaving interview where they are asked if DM is a good guy and all sorts of stuff is the most damning evidence of all that all the whistle blowing is true and that the church is lying. Mike and Leah keep pouring the coal on the fire until this scourge is burned out.
I can only speak regarding JWs personally, but putting them in the same category as this vile cult is ridiculous and totally uneducated.
Something is truly wrong with the First Amendment in this country if it is written in such a way as to afford groups such a the church of scientology and Jehovah’s Witness to commit such crimes of abuse such as shunning and disconnection (and yes, these are abuse), false imprisonment, physical assaults, pedophilia and the cover up of such crimes, to name a few.
I truly appreciate what you and Leah have stuck your literal and figurative necks out to expose to this country. Shame on our Federal Government for taking so long to apply justice to such groups.
Please, God, let this be the last year that Mike and Leah need to do this show. Please allow justice to prevail.
You should read the First Amendment to the Constitution. All the examples you state that are crimes can be prosecuted. The Constitution grants NO rights to anybody. It’s purpose is to restrain government which hasn’t been working out too well for the past 100 years.
Mary, I wish I could ‘like’ this statement you wrote 10x. I hope the same thing. It’s beyond enough that this organization has gotten by with SO much crime, committed fraud, libel, slandar, harassment, assaults, stalking, hurt so many and has deliberately destroyed so many lives. Since when is it okay for a ‘religion’ to actually have a policy giving license for its members to literally commit any act of crime to ‘destroy utterly’ another human being? I don’t know anywhere that it is written in the 1st Ammendment where it says that is ok. I think the 1st Ammendment is often misinterpreted…for some,…but not for others. Otherwise, there would be stonings and burning of ‘witches’ at the stake…still taking place. I’m such a witch myself I probably would have gone up in smoke decades ago if it was allowed. 😉
Again, such things as false imprisonment, physical abuse, pedophilia, covering up of such crimes….not true of JWs. Research, ask, educate but don’t take the opinion of a few few who slam people who didn’t like, didn’t agree, maybe justified, but could leave on their own free will if wanted. Don’t compare to something vile like Scientology and DM. Leah and Mike strive to educate and make people aware NOT to make people believe lies like DM. Don’t be sheep and follow others, educate yourself.
Thank Mike, Leah and Jeffrey Augustine for exposing HOW Scientology uses the slick contacts so they can keep money and not deliver what is promised!
You made my year!
Please – expose the high pressure tactics used to Regg people and the Regg Cycle
Criminal Organization bankrupting members for 1 persons gain.
David MissManagement belongs in prison.
After watching another beautiful soul escape the self enslaving corporation/ cult I’m always delighted in the fact that hope will win. After all the sick mind blowing bullshit they get screamed in there face I’m reminded of how the real human condition finally wakes them up. As a tax paying never in wog, I can relate on so many levels because of my own recovery which is a daily reprieve from the self enflected choices made to use drugs and alcohol. It’s been in a free self supporting group that has helped me stay clean for 32 years. I’ve learned so much about this so called religion it makes me sick how my tax dollars are being given away to and used to abuse people. How they hide behind religions freedom is so insulting to everything America stands for. I just want to say to you Mike your tears are cleaning your soul I believe you are totally sincere in your efforts to restore some kind of sanity to life after all this cult has done to so many people. All the people I’ve watched in the Aftermath of living in the self will run riot cult of Scientology. Keep sharing all the experiences, strength and hope. You two are bringing darkness into the light and will help millions become aware of this dangerous insanity going on all around us. Your a winner, don’t forget it. Thanks again for this show. You are making a world the place we all want to live in.
Scientology will fall once their tax exempt status ends. The government MUST act on this! I stand with Mike and Leah to bring this cult to an end.
Valerie has more honesty and character in her pinky finger then any of those money laundering lying abusive thieves!!
Season 3 is starting off right where it should be by sharing true stories of horrific abuse and terrifying escape . About the millions of dollars that are stolen from innocent brainwashed people. Keep it coming Mike and Leah!!! At some point these criminals will face the same law wenwould face if wenwere committing atrocities upon human beings.
With Valerie escaping in 2016, she has to have seen things going on that are still well within the statute of limitations. No wonder Miscavige is freaking out about this episode, and what may be going on behind the scenes.
And still following show participants around? That’s just pathetic.
Leah hiring Dave’s former assistant is such sweet payback. Too bad there’s no video of him being given that bit of good news 🙂
True, although I feel bad for the people he’s taking it out on. Yikes.
Fundraiser idea for The Aftermath Foundation. Mike Rinder & Leah Remini bobble head dolls! And you could add more like Aaron, Karen, Marc & Claire…Collect them all!
Heck I’d buy them
And Mary Kahn too. I’d totally buy them all!
Since C of S apparently made this in Mike’s likeness, and obviously without his permission, I’m curious if there’s some sort of potential legal action. Of course, they would just tie it up in court for years at a time, so probably not worth it. However, it would be great to have a bobble head collection and have Mike, Leah, et al, just laugh it off and own the ridiculousness of their videos.
Mick — someone just messaged me about making some bobbleheads and using them to raise money for Aftermath Fdn. Will see if anything comes of this. That would be the perfect response.
I would buy!
here is one option https://www.whoopassenterprises.com/
AND,
If a bobblehead of dm is made it must be 1 foot 7 inches shorter (to scale) than the others.
I’ll buy them and display them, too, and I’ll buy more to give as gifts.
I think most appropriate would be a Dave bobblehead with fists clenched, RTC chrome steel eyes and a voice that keeps saying “motherfucking cocksucker” in an endless loop.
Lol yeah and a Jenny Linson screeching “full time suppressive acts!”
Yes! And lastly, have two dolls – showing Jenny kneeling and shining Dave’s shoes (or possibly some other service) while he downs a bottle of Scotch.
I love it! I’d buy one too!
Mike, these past two episodes have been heart-wrenching and powerful. Really hit home. Thank you so much for what you are doing – you and Leah rock! And Valerie- you are so brave – you go girl!
Kim, I was so glad to see you posting on Mike’s site. I know you and you know me. Please contact Mike for my email address. I tried to find you on FB but there were too many of you. I’d love to have a private chat with you and reconnect with you. So glad you’re out!
Sign me up for the full set!
?
One of the things I find truly mind blowing is the statement about “is this really my OWN opinion/thought OR is it coming from COS ingraining my mind with their ideas”? This issues is still being dealt with even after leaving COS.
Seeing & hearing Mike talk about his now adult children, the horrific guilt he carries around with him on a daily basis, not being able to see his OWN mother before she passed away, Christie’s own father “refusing” to see her before his own demise. At least Leah has her sisters & mother back in her life….yet their are still unhealed wounds/memories that will last a lifetime. This damage cannot be undone, can’t unring that bell.
Valerie really spilled out the horrors she endured or saw others endure. To wonder just WHAT happened to her friend Shelly….someone she worked so closely with…seemingly MIA & as Leah once innocent asked at a COS Gala, “where’s Shelly”…….she almost had her head handed to her. Yet the question 12 years later STILL remains…..Davey is still wearing his wedding ring as was noted…yet …his wife……
HEY DAVE, WHERE IS SHELLY?
Yeah, where’s Shelly?
In addition to the bobbleheads, how about brightly colored tee shirts that say simply, “Where’s Shelley?” with links to this blog and other sites.
Yes Miss Q! I love the idea for the brightly colored shirts saying where’s Shelly? I’ll order one today with a Mike Rinder bobble head please!
I’d like to ask a question to any lawyer or ‘legal eagle’ out there. At the next trial of ex-Scientologist versus the ‘church’ (or vice-versa), if one of these exit testimonial/confessions is played by the ‘church’, can the lawyers for the ex-Scientologist than play all of the same recordings available? It would show the judge and/or jury that it is standard procedure for the ‘church’ to make these. It would prove that NONE of these recordings are evidence of the supposed lying of the ex-Scientologist since they are all pretty darn similar.
FANTASTIC SHOW!
I can almost feel sorry for the demented midget, …. almost.
Just watching the beautiful, smart, talented, and eloquent people on Leah’s show tells me that THESE are the ones who are out, alive, and competent. All that is left in this degraded and perverted cult are the bu** heads that bobble to Dave’s rants. The cult has shown that it has no leader, talent, class, or beauty. As far as I am concerned, DM and his clones deserve each other in their self-made Hades.
Excellent show today Mike, Leah and Valerie. You show the side of humanity that has been disappeared by our favorite cult. Valerie brings me hope that my daughter will be able to pull off something similar and get her life back. Thank you for that!
Yo Dave,
Howz it hangin taday good buddy? I’m sure You enjoyed the show. The big question now is ‘who is goin’ to eat the losses’?
Yer little pit bull lawyers just don’t seem to have the inner strength that you have Dave. They need a constant flow of foul mouth emanations and money to keep on keepin on. Why is it that You have to do all the heavy lifting anyway? Isn’t there a stray dog or friend You can kick the shit out of to pay for all this wreckage?
Yo OSA,
Help the poor little guy out guys and gals. Step up and smack the person next to you for low production or something. It will bring a smile to Daves’ puss.
Dave, if you’re so responsible why all the motivators? Oh that’s right, SPs.
To paraphrase Bane from The Dark Knight Rises: “Dave, we are Scientology’s reckoning, here to end the borrowed time you’ve been living on.”
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!
Mike and Leah – THANK YOU with all of our hearts for this show. A&E – thank you so much for giving Mike and Leah a platform to expose the abusive, fraudulent, deceitful and evilness of Scientology.
Please- don’t stop
You are saving lives!
You restored our hope that SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT!
It is comical that $ci hires non scientogy actors to appear in it’s films. We all know why. It is also ironic that Shelly and Valerie could confide in each other without fear of either one writing a knowledge report. We now know that Shelly was in tears when she was banished by her leader/husband who evidently has a girl friend/companion.
As a “never in”, I have been watching since the very first episode. Keep the heat on. You are all doing a great job in exposing this criminal cult. Blessings to you, Leah, Valerie and everyone who has had the courage to leave Scientology!
Truly powerful and riveting. How do you like them apples Dave?
As usual Scientology does nothing except look like a bunch of morons. Everyone is a liar except for them. Any group or person who spends so much time energy and money to shut up former members or the press etc definitely has a lot to hide. The more I hear about miscavage the more he reminds me of that high school bully. He’s one twisted immature jerk off. He would be nothing in the real world just another douchebag. The world in general would be a better place without the likes of him. I support anyone who has the guts to speak out against any group like this.thank you to all who do and don’t ever back down cause that’s what they want. Don’t let them win.
You do understand that you’re insulting immature jerk offs as well as douchebags?
Lol
Can anyone explain why in the hell the CO$ was producing/shooting a film about “North Korea and brainwashing”? Ms. Haney was actually “woken-up” by watching this film being shot. That’s all it took, seeing a film being shot about North Korea and the brainwashing they employ on their population for Ms. Haney to go “That’s us! That’s just like “The Hole!” “He’s just like David Miscavige!”…So while I hope that Miscavige shows that film to every active Scientologist in the world, I can’t begin to fathom why they were making this type of film to begin with…Miscavige certainly never learns anything from his own mistakes, probably because he truly believes that he’s incapable of ever making a mistake in the first place, so how could he learn from mistakes if he never makes one. That being said, I was under the impression that the CO$’s media facilities were only used for projects/productions INSIDE the CO$, and I don’t believe they “rent-out” their production facilities at Gold nor the newer studio in LA to any “outside” companies, organizations, or people…Am I wrong? Or is Miscavige just that naive and moronic (or simply narcissistic), and he’s shooting films and “documentaries” (lol) about what “brainwashing”, cults, dictatorships, abuse, assault, etc. are REALLY LIKE so he can show them to active Scientologists and eliminate any doubts that they may be having? Obviously that has already back-fired on him in a huge way in the form of Ms. Haney, but once again, Miscavige never makes a mistake, right? (a special thank-you to Ms. Haney and a congrats to her for taking life by the balls and succeeding!)
Yes, David Miscavige is moronic and narcissistic (but NOT naive). L.R.H. actually wrote a book about brainwashing as conducted by China and the North Koreans. It was really more about the way HE conducted hypnosis, self-hypnosis, and brainwashing. He wrote it under a pseudonym and even sent it to the government! They probably based that movie on the book.
” Can anyone explain why in the hell the CO$ was producing/shooting a film about “North Korea and brainwashing”?”
It is what they do. Take a look at the CCHR building in LA about the Nazi actrocities and their attempt to lay the blame for that debacle on the psychiatric industry.
It is classic bait and switch. If the cherch is ‘exposing’ it then they could not possibly be the perps.
$cientology is so much worse than ‘North Korea, the Nazis, the psychs ………… ad infinitum ….. it is mostly unfathomable that such an organization could be existing within our culture AND with full religious recognition. I think that is why it remains to the extent it does.
Yo Dave,
We are here to make sure Your remains disappear! And where is Shelly anyway. Have you thought of moving her from the CST headquarters up to the Tuolumne compound where she might be able to at least go to the casino and play some roulette?
“…it is mostly unfathomable that such an organization could be existing within our culture AND with full religious recognition. I think that is why it remains to the extent it does.”
Bingo.
Who ever or whatever you see Scientology accusing iof or speaking out against – Scientology is guilty of
North Korea people are brainwashed with North Korea Government proganda just like Scientologists are duped by Scientology propaganda
Thank you Mike Rinder, Leah Remini and the entire A&E producers for helping expose WHAT Scientology IS – a CULT that destroys people
and what Scientology IS NOT – a church that helps people.
We are coming out out of apathy!!
And ready to work at getting our family out of this sham system and prison of belief.
Valerie’s father talked her into going back and routing out. Did he know that is the only way Scientology could get a fresh, signed, documented record of Valerie, a record of what Scientology sees as damning evidence of bad behavior by Valerie? He did her a disservice convincing her to meet with anyone in Scientology.
These Scientologists who encourage their family members who have left Scientology to go back and “route out” are working the Scientology plan, not helping their family member. That plan is to get recordings of anyone leaving Scientology, recordings and signed documents claiming Miscavige is a good guy and they never saw anyone in Scentology do anything wrong, ever. Nobody cursed, lied, hit, pushed, ordered people to work into sleep deprivation, mistreated children, abandoned their own kids for days weeks and months at a time, nothing. They also want evidence of the member’s alleged wrong-doing, confessions to behavior the person leaving never did.
Routing out is only good for Scientology; it won’t stop their orders of suppression and disconnection, it only gives them fuel for future lawsuits and hate videos.
Ammo Alamo, you’re right that going to “route out properly” only helps Scn cuz they take video footage of you saying all the right answers, “No, DM never did anything wrong,” and “No, I wasn’t held against my will.” etc. They video it in advance knowing that you may eventually talk and this will be their defense. They will then say, “She/he is lying, why just look at this footage of her singing his praises.” BUT she was between a rock and hard place with her brother and family. If she had refused to go back to route out “properly”, her brother would have been told to disconnect from her. She’d lose him and the rest of her family and friends to disconnection. So her choice was keep her family and route out, or refuse to go back and lose all her loved ones. Hell of a Sophie’s Choice.
Is there a David Miscavige family disconnection tree? If one exists, I think it would make a wonderful billboard in downtown Clearwater in celebration of his Christmas wonderland.
Such an amazing episode and Valerie you are one brave and courageous woman ! I am dying to know more details of your story. You were a star tonight. If you are reading this, you most probably know my sister Geray Maio who is at Gold base and has been there since 1981.
Well it is just par for the course……scientology’s ridiculous hate videos…makes them look like clowns and no-one (other than die hard scientologists) in their right mind believes their horseshit. I also had a couple of my siblings & my son do hate videos on me and my husband.
Mike, Leah & A&E are doing an awesome job and cannot wait to watch more episodes. You are doing more to help people get out than you even know.
Brother Jeff and wife get in their digs. Nice work Dave!
https://youtu.be/VEXUTR1VKCY
“I also had a couple of my siblings & my son do hate videos on me and my husband.”
I’m so sorry, Lois.
Dave: Hate is the new love.
There was something described by Ms. Haney that I blew my mind and that made no sense to me at all, and I’m hoping someone can explain it…Why was the CO$ making a “documentary” (and we’ll use that term very loosely), or rather a film about “North Korea and brainwashing”??? While we all know that the CO$ makes training videos, videos for courses, videos for their “events”, videos with their celebrity members plugging things, films about LRH, etc. at the Int. Base and presumably at the new studio in LA, I cannot begin to even fathom why Miscavige would EVER want them to make a film about North Korea dictatorship and the “brainwashing” that they employ over their population…and they brought-in outside actors and actresses to appear in the film? I always assumed that any media that the CO$ produced was strictly for their own, internal use…Are they now using their studios/production facilities to produce media for outside sources? Or are they just renting-out their facilities for use by anyone who wants to use them? Or was this film about North Korea and their “brainwashing” techniques being produced for use within the CO$, and for actual Scientologists to view?
Both the stupidity and naivety of David Miscavige never cease to amaze me. If he is actually producing films on such topics as “North Korea and the brainwashing techniques that they employ on their population” with the idea that showing active Scientologists the film and then saying “See, this is what a “cult” really is, this is a “dictatorship”, and now you guys should know how lucky you are to be here at Gold Base”, or something along those lines (which is the only possible motivation for making such a film for members of the CO$ that I can think of), he obviously doesn’t learn as he goes along. It’s like Miscavige is totally incapable of saying “Okay, this is what happened when I did that , so I shouldn’t do that again”…He simply believes that he is infinitely correct about everything and he just keeps making the same, horribly damaging mistakes over and over and over again…Ms. Haney actually said that a light bulb went off in her head while she was watching this film about North Korea and brainwashing being shot. “That’s it! That’s just like the Hole! He’s exactly like David Miscavige! the CO$ is the American equivalent to North Korea!”
I hope that they finished shooting and producing that film about North Korea and brainwashing, and hope Miscavige makes it mandatory for every active Scientologist to watch…
I want to say thank you to Ms. Haney for her willingness to share her story with the world…It’s a powerful story and confirmation of what we already knew but what Miscavige and company continue to deny, that nothing has changed within the CO$ at all, and that David Miscavige has actually become even more psychotic and sociopathic than ever before. The question that lingers and has been lingering for decades is “When will the IRS stop making exceptions for the Cult of Scientology and for David Miscavige and his abusive and illegal behavior, and finally say enough is enough and revoke their tax-exempt status?”, because it could not be any clearer that they are not a religion, not a church, and David Miscavige, his “rank”, and his tyranny and physical, emotional, and psychological abuse and actual assault is the direct equivalent of a Jim Jones…but much, much more dangerous…Jim Jones didn’t have control of billions of dollars in both liquid cash and property all across the world. Sometimes I think that the IRS is actually hoping for “People’s Temple” type of end to the CO$, because then they wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore, the scrutiny against them would go away, and they would no longer have to make excuses for the CO$ being considered a “non-profit organization that provides a common-good for the betterment of society”…
I have a very strong feeling that 2019 is going to be the year of reckoning for Miscavige and the CO$…
For some reason the response from the cult of scn reminds me of Hitler’s propaganda: the lies are so convoluted that makes it almost impossible to even consider them as factual. You need to have a very twisted mind and soul to even consider them to be true. Also the scn exposure reflects desperation.
Also Mike, the description of “your” views of children as presented by this character gave me a strong perception that that is exactly how Miscabage feels about children; in other words, you somehow have had to experience those thoughts or feelings in order to express them, and only a criminal sociopath is very good at it. People such as Hitler, Alcapone, Miscavige and others.
On the other hand, whenever I read your blog (and I have said this before to you) I see the witty thoughts, the good humor and a friend of many.
How many more stories?
What will it take for the FBI, IRS or any OTHER agency to become involved in taking a deep look into Scientology & the reported abuse & money scams? Many episodes have brave former ins stepping forward at the risk of being harassed & emotionally abused to tell the tale of their OWN personal experiences & the abuses they’ve endured or witnessed.
WHY oh WHY is the missing Shelly still NOT accounted for? Since when is someone’s “word that she is fine” accepted as proof that she is alive & well. IMHO…I always thought one would have to present a living breathing “meat body” to prove that person is well & not being abuse or being held captive against their will. I would hope that she SHOULD have to present herself, & have fingerprints taken to prove “she is the REAL Shelly Miscavige” & that she should be spoken to ALONE with no monitors or “husband” present, AWAY from the confines of anything to do with COS. No way that will ever happen.
It seems to go something like this….”they” truly want to Save my hoped for eternal life, my replacement “meat body” each time I die by reincarnation into another brand new body where..hhmmm, ummm, aaahhh….maybe I will have remembrances of my former life & family.
Hey, keep me behind a 6 foot tall razor topped barbed wire fence or walled up in “the hole” so I cannot escape no matter how hard I try…because COS “loves me” so much they refuse to set me free to make the mistake of living MY life the way I want to. Keep me “prisoner/captive” because all COS is trying to do is save me from myself, right?
Keeping me from “harming my eternal life” has nothing to do with any $$$ I would no longer provide COS with should I escape/blow/route out, right? It has nothing to do with working my ASS off 12 to 20 hours a day for little to no pay? It has nothing to do with the continued threat of physical/emotional abuse, keeping me housed in a place that’s not really fit to live in, right?
Ahhhh…..NOW I’ve GOT IT….SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE….No one has the balls to…well….I think you’ve got the picture……
Keep up the good fight Leah & Mike…..the painful look on your OWN faces told more than you realize…..you are still suffering the “aftermath” of having been in.
You didn’t just turn on the lights Mike, you turned on the runway, stadium floodlights! Awesome show.
Last night’s show was incredible. Valerie is a remarkable woman and came across as completely credible. My only regret about the show is that it was too short to hear all that Valerie must know about the more current going on’s at INT and what she may know of David’s current abuses. She confirmed the HOLE still exists, but is David still physically abusing people himself? She saw you get hit years ago, did she see or hear of it happening in 2016? Did she ever see David physically abuse Shelly? I’m guessing she has had little interaction with the little terd since Shelly was exiled. I’d love to hear more about her family’s involvement in Scn. How is her current relationship with her Dad? If I could, I would be asking her so many more questions. Also, I’m wondering if her NDA’s and A&E’s lawyers limit how much she can say, especially about things she did not witness herself or things that happened while directly employed by Shelly.
There must be so much more to her story and I hope we can hear more from her. I appreciate that you and Leah are loving and kind people who actually care about her and are rightfully protecting her. She needs that after years of growing up in that hell. Also, the show is just one hour long. Man she could have been a whole series.
I can’t imagine of a more able assitant for Leah. I’m so happy that Valerie has found herself in such a loving environment. I pray she has many of her family members with her too.
Valerie, you’re a rock star!
Scientology has a documented history of forced abortions. They treat children like an annoyance, shipping them off to the ranch and keeping them away from their parents, but they accuse Mike of wanting to kill children. Talk about psychological projection! Wow!
What a powerful episode! One of the best. Valerie, Leah and Mike, rock on with your bad selves!
Also I definitely need a bobble head Mike Rinder. Priceless . ☺
Oh yes! I can picture a set of Leah and Mike bobbleheads! Love it!
The 1982 publicized clearwater hearings are eerily similar to a whole season of the aftermath. (On YouTube)
Those victims’ experiences happened 35 years ago. That fact alone–the same abuse unchallenged for so many years–really says a lot about lrh policies and our government/law enforcement’s blindness to this ongoing abuse. Mike, A&E should show some link/website after every episode that tells your audience what we can do to be noisy to authorities. Who do we write to? What do we say that will compel someone to pay attention?
Check out Jeffrey Augustine’s site, THE SCIENTOLOGY MONEY PROJECT, for specific answers to those questions you posed, and thanks for caring enough to want to do something about the cult’s abuses.
Great Episode. Kudos to you and Leah.
A couple of thoughts/observations. 1. The word you were searching for during the car ride conversation was INTIMIDATION. They were trying to intimidate Valerie into silence.
2. With “Elder abuse” being something the government does take seriously, is it possible to somehow get the California Health people to look in on the 80 year old guy? I envision a raid where the guards are not allowed to radio ahead and the agents can walk directly in on him being in the middle of that days humiliation.
3. I would love to ask Valerie about being in the trunk when the car was stopped at the gate. I bet it seemed to her that her heart was beating so loud that the guard might hear it.
Once again, outstanding episode.
Wow! Just inspiring…the risks you all take to expose such evil. I sent an email to LAPD asking what investigations they have done and where is SHELLY? May more people escape and live to tell their tales. So scary!!!! Sending courage and resolve from Texas❤️
Powerful! Sad! Just when we have thought we have heard it all. So maddening the depths of depravity they stoop to. Stand strong, Valerie.
Leah’s the best. Regarding Valerie being paid $1000/week:
“That’s not true… She makes a lot more than THAT.”
The cost of living in LA and most of California is sky-high. Most corporations pay their employees more for working in those areas. A personal assistant to a TV star might work very long hours, and must have a certain type personality. Valerie was experienced doing that job for the Miscaviges, and later was assistant to the wog stars at Gold base, so she was experienced and qualified, making her eligible for more than entry level pay.
Of course, compared to the occasional $50- $60 a week the Scientology staff and SO are paid, “a lot more” than $1000 per week must seem like a fortune.
Oh, I get the COL thing and all of that… I just thought it was hilarious. Leah brushed the ‘accusation’ off with zero fucks given and it was amazing.
Valerie’s story shows that there is a good possibility that there are people being held against their will at the INT base. I think that the FBI has a responsibility to enter the base and interview each person individually and privately to see if anyone wants to leave. At this point I think that there will be a number of people that will leave with the FBI. As a side note, Valerie I used to be friends with your Dad and we worked together. I could drive to Portland in a couple of hours and talk to him if you think that would help.
Mat I completely agree with you about the FBI and the need to interview individually everyone and see if anyone will leave with them. That needs to happen. I woke up thinking this and about Heber. I would hate to see him die there.
I am not the Valerie in the story. I have said and will continue to say Heber is welcome in my home unconditionally if he chooses to leave and I would be sure he was comfortable for the rest of his life. My grandchildren and great grandchildren would love pampering him.
I think if enough people came forward and offered to “adopt” someone who left, maybe more people would feel that they could leave if word could be gotten to them that we are there and care.
That’s so beautiful Valerie! So many people want to help. I always think of Heber. I really wonder if he would leave? I hope he gets the chance.
That’s a great idea.
” I think if enough people came forward and offered to “adopt” someone who left, maybe more people would feel that they could leave if word could be gotten to them that we are there and care.”
I wish I had as much faith as you express Valerie. I don’t think many would take the offer. BUT ….. I do have a standing offer to adopt my kids should they want their Dad back. My daughter is the same age as Valerie Haney.
If the FBI goes in, they should be prepared as if the people being held there are leaning over a bridge thinking about suicide, because that is what Scientology has drilled into their head awaits them in the outside world. They should have professionals in mental health and/or cult debriefing. They need to show resources such as the Aftermath Foundation or family members are available to act as a half-way house to help them survive in the wog world. If they just ask ‘do you want to leave’ I think they will get far fewer ‘yes’ answers because the pull of the cult is so ingrained and powerful. They need to not only offer a way out but also show that a way out is feasible and not the route to cancer and eternal death as Scientology has brainwashed them to believe.
Good point.
Good grief….Valerie’s trunk escape had my heart beating similar to when the Headleys escaped Gold. She likely knows alot more than what was shared on show and hopefully will make a difference. She didn’t really share more than what we know…just confirmed a lot of stories told previously. With the exception of her stories of Shelly. Amazing….
Your first show rocked…..
So glad to see you all. Great episode !
Hello to Mr. David Miscavige, COB of the church of scientology. Only you have the fortitude to confront these allegations head-on. I expect to see you taking this battle to the media to tell your side of the story in person, perhaps with Anderson Cooper, or if you prefer Fox, maybe Shep Smith, or whoever you choose.
I know you aren’t the kind of person to hide.
I know you aren’t a frightened little child, cowering behind closed doors.
I know you aren’t full of anxiety and paranoia.
oh, wait…
Lil’ Dave couldn’t be afraid to confront all this black PR, could he? He’s the pope of this joke. He must have the most excellent confront ever. Any old clam from TR0 could confront with these silly lies, couldn’t they? He must be out there confronting and shattering suppression, right? He wouldn’t be in hiding virtually all the time, would he?
LOL, Ammo. He would have to come UP to being “a frightened little child”. Being a frightened child would be a good goal for Miscavige.
I can definitely call Scientologists, “Failed Hype Salespeople”.
The more I learn, the scarier Scientology becomes. I love what you said that the one thing we can count on is that Scientology continues to ‘show themselves’ for what they really are by their insane behavior! Why they can’t make that connection proves, who ever dictates …David Miscagive… isn’t working with a full deck of cards, if you know what I mean. ? He should have stayed in school. Instead, he became the biggest bully out there.
So many thoughts for you, Mike. 1.Valerie is a rock star. WOW. Once she figured it out, she bravely escaped in the trunk of a car. She was a respectful daughter who, at the request of her dad, went back and routed out which had to be terrifying. With integrity and the goal to protect others, she went straight to the authorities. No wonder Leah wanted to hire her. I believe that she was this wonderful person inside all along which is why Shelly hired and befriended her. 2. My first thought was that her being taken to Gold was the worst thing that could have happened to her. But then I realized, that experience got her out and that experience may save so many others because she is brave, honest and willing to speak out for what is right and good. 3. It was heartbreaking to hear how they treated her. It was heartbreaking to hear the description of Heber Jentzsch. I thought of his loved ones hearing this and my heart aches for them. It was heartbreaking to hear her last encounter with Shelley. I hope that in the future there will be a new encounter where she can run and hug her and they can talk freely and openly. This show just may save Shelley if she is alive. 4. No jury would EVER believe that those exit videos were not made under duress and coercion. Like with POW videos, everyone knows they are being taped by the enemy and in enemy territory. And it is ridiculous to think that someone who thought their leader was “amazing” and loved their religion would want to leave. That doesn’t add up in the real world. AND Scientology would never want to take those before a jury. So those are just silly. 5. I am so glad Valerie is free. I am so glad she is brave enough to speak out. I hope Leah pays her a LOT for doing her job. Telling the truth is all that matters. 100’s of people, some who have never met, who lived the scientology life in different time periods, are all telling the same story. The Scientology dead agent lies are annoying and aggravating and hurtful to those that they attack but all of your supporters know it isn’t true and it does help reveal who they really are and what they really do.
Thank you for enduring and giving people hope.
So beautifully put you put to words everything that I felt after this show
Great work on the episode. Valerie’s story is inspiring and I love the spirit she and Leah and everyone involved with the program have shown to fight for what’s right.
I wonder, will they ever change tactics? Do they realize how insane and crazy they are making themselves look with the DAing and all the PIs on people who they know are just going to show them being so ruthless (comically bad and silly but ruthless all the same) ?
I mean, that probably worked pretty well in the 1970s but now it’s on TV, the internet, the public can see what they are doing and they can’t fool public anymore. They can’t even keep this information out of bubble dwellers hands anymore. Like Valerie they are going to see this and realize they are living on the set of a bad imitation of North Korea.
Will they ever realize that LRHs prescriptions for dealing with enemies from 50 years ago doesn’t work anymore?
I don’t know how many people would go to a CoS site to supposedly read about or listen to “the other side of the story”. I think it’s unlikely that an American scientologist wouldn’t at least know about all the negative media about Scn. In the 1970’s I generarized it as the IRS or “the establishment” was after Scn and continued to think I was doing the world some good.
It probably goes back to the metaphors of being in a bubble or a prison of belief. When I left in 1982 I felt I was still getting and giving benefits from giving and receiving auditing and had no reason to look deeper or further from my own point of view. I left because of the price increases which I thought were greedy and unjustified and I wasn’t willing to pay the price regardless of what great mysteries lie ahead so I split. Good luck, good karma or good sense I was gone.
This was another wonderful and informative episode. And I love coming to your blog after each show airs and see how you always obliterate Scientology’s lame-ass responses to the contributors on the show. Great show, and great post.
Mike I thought this was a powerful informative episode of the show. You and Leah treated it with the utmost if reverance as you do with all episodes. Valerie is a very brave woman for doing what she did even knowing there would of course be repercussions from the COS . I started watching the show fron the very beginning and I am in a fb group Scientology and the aftermath that group has taught me so much and the fact that I get to speak with ex-members such as Claire Swazey is wonderful. The ex members have taught me so much I have bought almost everyones books on the subject I have a lot of reading to do. I’m sure I speak for many others on the website when I say we are all behind you and Leah and Valerie and all of the others who have dared to speak out on your show. As regular people who weren’t involed in the hideous cult we all speak about how we wish we could do more to help. I try to encourage newer members on the site that the most powerful tool we have is the right to boycott any movie or show with a scientologist in it. Boycotting is a very powerful tool if evryone does it .It would stip some of the money flow into DM’S taxfree pockets. Love all of you brace people and I will continue to do my part by watching buying books and boycotting. You actually liked a post I put up after the JW episode I was thrilled to death now maybe we can get Leah to say hi to me on Twitter that would make my day. For a long time I wasn’t sure that you guys read all of the comments you get bc there are so many. But thank you Mike for making my day and fir everything you guys are doing.
Please check out Jeffrey Augustine’s website, THE SCIENTOLOGY MONEY PROJECT. There are more specific directions there about writing letters to the appropriate authorities to get their tax exemption rescinded. Tell your friends about it, too!
Yes! That’s one of my favorite things too! Mike always calls them out so well!
Hats off to you and Leah.
Doing what’s right.
I just had this funny thought:
LRH was a master machine gun operator. There was intelligence to Hubbard’s leadership. He was brilliant in his deception. Just like a cartoon.
Miscavige is like the monkey who found Hubbard’s machine gun. Animals and weapons are not a good thing.
Miscavige and OSA: you can only have one goal now: keep the sheep.
That is the audience for your Goebbels propaganda on the web.
You see, we ALL know who you are and we ALL know what you are doing. It’s only a matter of time.
Here’s another thought:
The Lawyers!……… the friggin lawyers!!!
What kind of subterranean creature would work for this little slime ball tyrant. They define, for me, a new kinda ugly.
Blinky, what a sorry hard up bottom dwelling greedy creature she appears to be!
These people become Gollum………”my precious”
Lol at “precious”….
“hard up bottom dwelling greedy creature appears to be” …..Appears? she just IS a hard up bottom dwelling greedy creature.
Brian. ?
Wow, what a powerful episode! Describing the escape while in the trunk of the car had me shaking even though I KNEW she had escaped. How disgusting that this organization does this to their followers and they have the gall to call themselves a church. Tax exempt status needs to disappear for them and let’s see what they do then.
What a show! My gawd Valerie. You are one brave lady. Please be safe.
Mike I am still smdh about the puppet! ??
Bottom line Mike……….
Nobody believes Miscavige and his gestapo.
He is seen, by the planet they want to clear, as a sociopath.
Tonight’s show defined Caligula: DM
Does any other religion or business make people leaving do such videos?
Mike, I read something recently that is so true (maybe it was on your blog) and that is the difference between a religion and a cult is that when a person decides to leave a religion nothing is done to stop them whereas when a person leaves a cult they are harrassed, they’re publicly attacked and their families are punished for their family member leaving. Scientology is obviously in the later.
I don’t know if you and Leah are planning on devoting an entire program to Shelly Miscavage. Scientology needs to prove she is still alive (I have doubts that she is). I don’t want to see doctored “current” videos or phone calls. She should be presented at a LIVE press conference with David Miscaviage in attendance and a no holds barred open questions and answers period.
I’m not an attorney but I can see that the laws that the Scientology are breaking are endless and the head of that criminal organization is Miscaviage who should have his sorry butt locked up in prison but he will flee the U.S. with untold wealth before that ever happens.
Congratulations on your ESCAPE, Valerie! And thank you for speaking out.
I loved the opening segment showing the production’s willingness to play devil’s advocate. Something the cos can never do.
This was an incredibly powerful episode tonight, and your words here also …in your face honest. Keep up the good work!
Great Show ….. lots of new information !
That was awesome!
I was happy to see the new episode tonight. Scientology will never admit their abuses, despite the countless people who come forward with their stories. I’m glad Valerie made her way out!
I ALMOST joined back in the early 80s when I was trying to get away from an abusive boyfriend. I was also almost tricked into joining by a friend in the early 2000s (maybe around 2006). She said my 8 year old and I should go check out the Applied Scholastics school and that we wouldn’t have to join Scientology if I sent her there. Thank goodness I never did!!!!!
I can see how some people get sucked in. They are alone and in need of a connection and Scientology offers that (at first). I do know that they are constantly out in Times Square trying to get people to “come watch a video”. I went to the NYC Scientology Center twice. It appears clean and beautiful but when you know the real situation about it, it is very scary.
THANK YOU and Leah for doing this show!
I can’t wait for DM to leave the encumbrance. Somehow I think there will not be a similar LRH death event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnqWa1RRoM4
Somehow I think there be a ding dong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js
Perfect metaphor. What an evil evil little pussy.