I know many readers here have taken to following the new “African Scientologists Getting Back In Comm” blog.
There is a post there today that everyone should read. “Here is their story: Ernest and Gaye Corbett” is perhaps the most damning expose of what is so wrong with the “Ideal Org Program” that has yet to see the light of day.
And it comes from two people who were, for many years, without question THE single biggest supporters of the church and the Ideal Org Program in South Africa.
The lies and strong arm tactics employed against them are described in some detail.
THIS is supposed to be a church?
THESE are supposed to be “Scientology executives”?
And of course, even as PUBLIC, they knew this was all being done at the direction of “COB” who was running things IN SOUTH AFRICA on a “daily basis.”
Thank goodness they are now able to tell their story. Thank goodness they have decided to do so. It would have been far easier, and considerably more comfortable, for them to simply walk off into the sunset. To quietly fall off the lines. It takes some courage and personal integrity to stand up and speak out. Not so much because the monster will get you — the church is pretty much reduced to a toothless paper tiger these days — but because it entails eating a serious portion of humble pie to admit that you foolishly gave an enormous amount of money to a scam. No matter how many lies were told, for many it is too difficult to confront that THEY may have been wrong or made mistakes. This is EXACTLY why these two and their family have been pillars of the Scientology community in South Africa for decades. Their integrity, dignity and willingness to confront the truth are worthy of considerable admiration.
Very distasteful to use the term “rape” for a couple of people who half-left a cult to follow the scoundrel who started it. I usually cut you some slack because you’re just as deluded as any other Scientologist, but this is pretty low. Shame on you, Mike, and may you never know the true horror of rape.
Well, I appreciate your willingness to cut me some slack because I am a deluded cultist.
In turn, I am willing to cut you some slack because you apparently have a limited vocabulary.
See bolded definitions below. They seem particularly apt wouldn’t you say?
rape 1 (rp)
n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.
Censoring posts, eh? Nice going, Mike Miscavige. Wouldn’t want your sheeple seeing alternate opinions they might agree with, eh? Stuff like this makes you no better than the little shitstain. Another proud moment for Scientology!
If you would like people to view your “alternate opinions” start your own blog. You can do all the name calling you want and attract a massive audience I am sure.
Right on Mike! “Doesn’t Matter” please just leave. Go start your own blog and leave us alone.
I can’t stop thinking about this treatment of these wonderful people. It used to be that you would treat your parishioners with love and respect. Now they are treated with hatred and disdain. This climate of hatred is like a disease spreading throughout the entire church down to the very roots of it’s public. Sea Org members however are the worst , it is genned into their very soul.
Welcome out Ernest and Gaye! Speak about anything you want with anyone you want! Enjoy your power of choice and your own money. It’s a brand new day.
Welcome out, Ernest and Gayle!
It is great to have you here. Your story was overwhelming to me, so much so that I am at a loss for words. I’m still trying to wrap my mental mitts around what has been done to you. The level of insanity is just so beyond the beyond.
Again, so glad you are here and with us.
THANKs Raindog!!! What a great vid showing this woman as clearly being polar opposite of “SP” as cob defines it.
Great video and definitely portrays an able sane person…but remember, the blind can’t see none of the products and successes of Gaye. They said it themselves, they are: “The blind leading the blind”
What I do not get is how they put up with so much blatent out- Tech, off policy and being treated like complete morons.
It does not bode well that people who are labelled OT VIII and Class whatever still do not have the basic awareness that they are being dumped on on a regular basis.
It took me 15 minutes with two SO cretins to walk out of London Org and never look back in 1982. Does that make me OT?
regards
to both of you
Well, I dont know if it makes you OT. But I do know your comment makes you sound like a holier-than-thou condescending asshole. Maybe you are not, you could be the nicest person on earth for all I know. But your comment is unpleasant.
LOL!
Check out this lovely interview with Gaye. You can see how very suppresive she is! (That is to the goals of DM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HMMkqmP6RM
Mike, on behalf of our small team I thank you for your support. I honestly feel we are approaching the event horizon in this madness. We are so thrilled to be playing a part in thiss and have been overwhelmed with the support and response to the blog. Of course the timing was great – to start a blog just days before the church ignited a massive footnuke – but still it’s been amazing. But we must never forget that this fire of revolution and change was ignited by the brave voices of people like you and Marty (and a number of others) who, willingly or unwillingly, suffered greatly to clear the path so people like us could follow. We are grateful.
Thanks so much. You DO have a lot of support from a lot of people all over the world.
Onwards and upwards.
Straight up and vertical!
The Church has morphed into a mafia-like protection racket. Threatening rollback interviews of the most unpleasant sort, but offering to make it all go away for R500,000. Puke.
Look up “racketeering” in full.
This isn’t fotoshopped is it Mike >
http://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/captain-david-miscavige.jpg
No, why?
We are wondering over at WWP and ESMB what all the colorfull signage means on his chest.
What epic battles and operations do they signify ?
They signify everything and anything. From years in the Sea Org to the “OEC campaign” to “Building the Cine Castle” and everything in between.
thank you
Never mess with a South African Davey Boy.
One of the messages left on the SA blog.
Kevin
on November 9, 2013 at 6:39 am
These arseholes are playing a very dangerous game.We are not frightened penniless individuals.We have the resources,financial,political,media and other to teach you a lesson and give you the hiding that is long overdue.If you want shit then continue denigrating decent people in our group.The SP is Miscavige but boy if you want to take us on you will find an opposition you completely underestimated.
Hell yeah. I’m sure you’ll have some Yankee and Rebel Americans with you on that too, Richard.
“We are not frightened penniless individuals. We have the resources, financial, political, media and other to teach you a lesson and give you the hiding that is long overdue.”
Whoa! Did that shoot me uptone or what!
I read his deposition and one thing came through- Tom Cruise is honest. He could have lied his way through, ala Tommy Davis but he didn’t. He obviously is torn between truly wanting to see his daughter and having to disconnect. He comes across as human. At the end of he day- Tom Cruise is not a “poster boy” for Scientology. People like him in spite of his weird beliefs. Tom Cruise does nothing to bolster Scientology- he is thrice divorced for one thing- which demonstrates that he has not reached the nirvana that Scientology touts. He might draw attention to it but people aren’t joining because of him.
This is probably not an original idea, but how about someone making glossy flyers to reprint the Corbetts’ story and pass them out to folks outside the barricades at all the events? Pass them out as well near all major orgs in LA, NYC and SF, etc. Mail them to all Scientologists that addresses can be gotten for. Email it to all Scientologists that email addresses can be gotten for.
Why don’t the South African “SPs” show up outside their org and confront the folks that are going in for any event or conference? GET the staff and remaining public to confront THEM.
Yes!!!!
…or, get a hushmail account, all of us, and distribute a copy with the text in the email, not just the link. Give it some kind of theta/positive title so those in will open it. The more we do, the more will take the cheese and, instead of being trapped, they will be released. Get a secure, hushmail account at http://www.hushmail.com (They mask your IP address so there is a very good chance of you not being discovered as the author, for you guys still lurking or under the radar).
I hooted out loud at the following information Gaye Corbett made in her post at http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/here-is-their-story-ernest-gaye-corbett/comment-page-1/#comment-458:
“… We arrived at our office to find Alex Faust, the CO CMO in my office. He broke down in tears, quite literally weeping …. Of course he was in terror that he would be RPF’d. He was in phone communication with COB every night. He had not been able to tell him that this disaster was looming.”
So there you have it — proof that the Ecclesiastical Leader of the Church of Scientology has NOTHING whatsoever to do with daily management of the church.
LOL!
Good one!
Utterly speechless. Thank you, Mr and Mrs Corbett for speaking out and telling it like it is. This story – although depressingly familiar in many ways – expands on the theme of the cancerous and toxic nature of this vicious regime. Anyone who hasn’t read it all from top to bottom should do so. If any proof were needed that DM’s reign is all but over – this is it.
Also couldn’t help noticing that per the new Command Team “They have not supported Ideal Orgs since 2007 and have been opposed to the strategy” was stated as one of their “High Crimes” at their graduation event to the ravaged South African field. So – it’s official – applying LRH policy to a situation is now officially a Suppressive Act. Nice work.
Rollback:
Question: „Who has told you that all mice are black?“ Then you have to find a real life person that has told you that. Reading it in a paper or observing that yourself does not count. If you do not find a persons name then you are „severe reality adjusted“, screamed at by up to as many people that are in the room. Then you find someone that told yout this. You know that this name is the next one that is getting the same procedure.
The purpose is to pick up an „enemy line“. All mice are black. Management is bad. Prices are too high. Stuff like that.
In case it is a valid observation like prices are too high then this procedure gets uggly. Ridges pile up and getting real black. Standard procedure is to „severe reality adjust“ while the ToneArm is moving down.
After that procedure if done well you have lots of restimulated but suppressed old old evil purposes (rockslams) on your case that you have to withhold. This is the entrance point of turning you into a Scientology robot.
In case you want to blow it find the times of severe reality adjustments. Those are the important points of the rollback procedure. Find the ridge. Typically this ridge is from the universe of the person giving you a rollback.
The Corbetts’ message rivals Luis Garcias’ in its clarity and impact. I certainly hope they seek legal redress as well.
I was just thinking the same thing, (not so) 1subgenius. Bring it on as only South Africans can bring it.
Ernie, Gaye & family,
Hey, I remember you guys from the 70’s ( the Durban Org, upstairs academy just bought and renovated by Mike Moretti! ) giving your wins after just having completed the L’s at Flag.
We fast track up to pt through all that has transpired in between. Many are no longer with us today, including the Ol’ man! What’s important, to us all (through it all) is that we stay
eternally vigilant. (and in comm…. by inference) Learning from our mistakes is just a process, from which we grow.
I’ve been doing that intensively, over the last two years, through the instrument of the internet and thanks to the revelations of those former executives who broke out of the mind control “cult of Miscavige”– Mind control which permitted him to have such overwhelming & devious control of the lives (and finance) of the faithful, to LRH’s still workable tech & philosophy.
I’m especially grateful to the host of this blog, Mike Rinder, who somehow manages to balance the essential requirements of courage, insight & compassion with a remarkable sense of insouciant humor. (not to mention the huge workload involved!) Mike, IMHO, has the beingness, that makes this blog a place where one truly does feel welcome. That is rare in today’s cynical operating climate, hey?
Mike, among others, who have worked directly with perhaps the most cunning of manipulative leaders, ever, to operate from within the sanctity of the “church” of $cientology, in addition to being (ironically still!) the official spokesman for Scientology, is indeed, incredibly well qualified to comment on the inner workings of all aspects of Miscavige’s operations, including those of OSA, the intelligence and ‘dirty tricks’ operations.
Thus, I feel privileged, to be among those enlightened souls, who have been spared the
horrors of the insanity that the “church” has become.
It’s ironical, isn’t it, when we think back to the one simple lesson Ron addressed to us all:
…..”All I’m simply trying to teach you, is to look…..”
I guess, in retrospect, we’re saddled with THAT lesson for keeps, wouldn’t you agree?
ARC,and thanks for being the great and compassionate guys you are,
Calvin.
“It takes some courage and personal integrity to stand up and speak out. Not so much because the monster will get you — the church is pretty much reduced to a toothless paper tiger these days — but because it entails eating a serious portion of humble pie to admit that you foolishly gave an enormous amount of money to a scam.”
Police will tell you that many cons go unreported because of the embarrassment of admitting that you were stupid enough to get duped.
the mental pressures brought on the victims of the criminal actions go way beyond anything that the victims can reasonably be blamed for. It is, of course, one of the more powerful control mechanisms – to instill the thought that they are to be blamed for agreeing to having their wallets emptied – but it is all in the mind of the victims. The prison bars are behind the eyes.
Just like Big Tobacco spends fortunes on the research that goes into adding the hundreds of chemicals to the tobacco (solely in order to make the product more addictive), the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology spends vast effort on indoctrinating its victims to believe that they like having wallets emptied and that the victims are to be blamed for not liking it.
Read the authenticated instructions from the Co$ on how to squeeze money out of a victim – who I think we can all agree is not to be blamed for giving in – and remember that every “ethics” folder has many of these instructions and that the police needs the victims to stand up and make a police report before action can be taken:
“Take care to sit near the door in case he wants to leave. This will enable you to stop him and handle his disagreements”
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/Wu_n39TnQqU
The abuses of this turned cult are legendary. The lies they tell to cover their asses are also legendary. As long as they continue with the abuses, they will continue to have trouble, that’s legendary, at some point they are going to have decide to join humanity and put an end to this insanity, until then we will continue to see fine people like the Corbett’s exit. The end to a Psychopath’s reign will come, it’s inevitable DM, as has happened throughout history, good people rise up as is happening, your commando team can’t stop it. Wake up and smell the roses.
What a truly disgusting story.
The idea that these punk ass “ethics officers” and “Sea Org members” were strong arming decent people and mis-using the tech to basically steal these peoples money is grotesque. Probably a lot of these people have never really earned money and are like people on welfare who feel it is their right to have things from others without earning it. I pray for the day that dm either gets thrown in jail or has to run away or any other thing that stops him from perpetrating any more of this insanity.
Thank you for this story, it really does stun me after reading this that here we are in 2013 the the C of S just never lets up. They just don’t get it. They rape and pillage and repeat it and repeat it. I was in the Sea Org for 25 years and always detested stat pushing, these days it truly has surpassed that. What the Corbett’s endured time and time again over especially the past 5-10 years is beyond belief. Welcome the hell out of Dodge.
hugs welcome out 🙂
My “Clear Cognition” was: I´m a member of a suppressive group that is NOT following LRH and I need to get the hell OUT – NOW! This cognition was not recognized by the church, so I never got my certificate.
I experienced the exact same things you guys experienced, only on a much smaller scale – and that was it for me. I knew I needed to inform myself of the group I was a member of and so I started reading everything I could find on the internet. Two years later I´m still reading and the shocks never seem to end.
I admire the both of you for your huge contributions over so many years. From what I have read about you, you are scientologists in the true sense of the word and I´m sure this will not be forgotten. I also admire you for speaking out in a big way. I wish you both well in everything you do outside the church´s clutches. I´m sure you will in time experience a great sense of relief and FREEDOM!
Greetings from Denmark.
Birgit – LOL at: “My “Clear Cognition” was: I´m a member of a suppressive group that is NOT following LRH and I need to get the hell OUT – NOW! This cognition was not recognized by the church, so I never got my certificate.”
Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Corbett – for telling your story. Everyone is getting fleeced. Although you gave so much, there are thousands of Scientologist’s who have been completely bankrupted. Those that HAD homes – were lost to foreclosure due to the crush regging at every turn by Scientology Organization.
Your story will help so many people! You are courageous and amazing people. Check out what Luis Garcia is doing to Scientology. You have the right to get all of your money back. Sue Scientology and help stop the criminal abuse inflicted on unknowing victims. The few people left will be utterly destroyed if David Miscavige has his way!
Dear Corbitts: Your story will help so many people! You are courageous and amazing people. Check out what Luis Garcia is doing to Scientology. You have the right to get all of your money back. Sue Scientology and help stop the criminal abuse inflicted on unknowing victims. The few people left will be utterly destroyed if David Miscavige has his way!
And that bit about covering another guy’s bounced check and him promising as well as the SO terminals promising that you’ll get paid back, and then you didn’t, this is enough for a big lawsuit that you WILL WIN. And you can also prove to the world that Fair Gaming does exist by the proof that no one is paying you back. I urge you to do as the Garcias are doing and sue. It will bring more media attention and will bring down DM and the church all that much sooner. You could strike such a huge blow to end this evil.
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What you two have endured is beyond words. I can only say that I am so glad you were able to escape with your badges of honor. The church’s loss is the Indies’ gain and I welcome you with open arms.
Wow. You guys are truly big beings with a lot of ability, compassion and goodwill and honor. It is disgusting to me that your good will was taken advantage of and that you were abused in such a callously self-serving fashion by so many Sea Org members.
These people not only reflect the despotic mores of their leader David Miscavige, their actions also show a personal corruption that goes beyond the label of mere “out ethics”.
Reprehensible is the only word that comes to mind right now.
Try “criminal.”
Two paras, describing the same sequence of events:
“I’m not sure how I got through this but the whole process lasted 2 hours. After getting out of the auditing room we were immediately ushered into the conference room with Ken Krieger and Brittany Terpstra (?) who demanded R5 million for the IAS to be used for renovations of the Castle. This reg interview lasted until midnight at which point we got up and left with Brittany screaming “YOU WILL PAY!”.
…
A few days later Ken Krieger and Claire Anderson arrived at our offices. An off-the-meter interview was done to “repair” the roll back disaster after which Ken then said, basically, “give us R500,000 and we’ll call it quits”. We paid the money to be done with it.”
This is plain illegal. And it will continue until the force of the law is brought to bear on the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology
Man, that is just like Ron talks about…how the lepers will pester you and pester you just so you’ll pay them to go away. Does that make these SO members (and their Leader) lepers?
Survey says!
Why am I not surprised by the blog you linked to Mike?
Seems Dave the agent from SPECTRE is doing more to destroy the Church than the combined efforts of the AMA, APA, FDA, IRS, State Department, CIA, Smersh,the Victoria hearings, the UK ban, the GO and even OSA.
Me I can imagine some shadowy conspiracy in some smoke room mulling over ideas about fucking over Scientology and coming up with the brilliant idea of putting Miscavige in charge of the operation.
“The guy’s a total moron!”
“Yeah but he’s a glutton for power.”
*dramatic pregnant pause*
“Perfect!”
Maybe maybe not who knows?
One thing’s for sure the lil’ rodent leaves a trail of destruction wherever he shows his bushy tail.
Too bad you had to go through that hell Gayle and Ernest.
But rejoice.
You are among friends.
Welcome to the road out of the twilight zone.
“One thing’s for sure the lil’ rodent leaves a trail of destruction wherever he shows his bushy tail”.
I’m not exactly partial to these creatures, but in fairness, to name David Miscavige as one of them is just too much of an insult – to rats.
🙂
If the Corbetts are reading this, and if they’d care to hear something from a never-in, I can only say this: treat those goldenrods the same way we Anons treated Avagrams, as a badge of honor and a sign that RCS cannot and will not defeat anyone who is strong in mind and willpower. If you’re still believers, I really suggest that you get in contact with the Lembergers, because you now have the people and the infrastructure for the first Indie org in Africa, and their experience with Dror Center would be invaluable.
Just do me one personal favor, Ernest and Gaye: if you go the Indie org route, find a place within sight of Kyalami Castle. That’s always been my prime candidate for the Toxic Midget’s exile bolthole, and I want him to see what his Children of the Corn have wrought.
This story is heart-wrenching and wrong on so many levels. Sadly, every word is true.
Although I cannot hope to compare my contributions to the magnitude of the Corbetts, I too experienced the relentless gang regging, make-wrong and veiled threats of justice actions to get me to cough up. I remember many a time being ambushed at my house or office and finally writing out a cheque or handing over a credit card just to make it go away. The flow was always that I somehow “owed” them – these cold-hearted rip-off artists were actually doing me a favour!
This, in amongst the obvious lies being told locally and at Int events about our expansion – which even a blind person in a dust storm could see was a load of BS – a myriad insane and unjust witch-hunts, botched justice cycles and the mandatory non-Clear R-Factors followed by some pretty shitty 3-swing F/N auditing ultimately set me onto my search for the truth. It has been a soul-searching time. I found I was not alone, and I was not going mad.
I violently objected (and was shot down in flames) when it was announced that Peter Cooke had been posted as the Stats I/C on the Joburg OT Committee – after he had returned to South Africa from USA with his tail between his legs and owing so much money to people(5.5 Million to the Corbetts). His wife of course had somehow managed to get onto OT VII while he was busy losing investors money left right and centre. I overheard him telling someone that it was not his fault the property crash happened – his attitude was “investors beware” – so he didn’t feel honour-bound to pay back the debts. I was disgusted. I note that he and his family are enjoying overseas holidays, living the high life and taking pride of place in the front row at org events again – I really hope he comes to his senses one day. Karma is a real bitch.
I wish Gaye and Ernest and their lovely family all the very best as they head into a new future.
“To new beginnings and other adventures” – LRH (Knowingness book)
Just to mention something here…I read story of Ernest and Gaye and I can tell you 100% sure..all what he say is truth. I was there in 2009 for that evolution of roll back garbage.
What an amazing story. Thank you for your courage and fortitude.
One of the things that Ernest and Gaye have not mentioned in their story is the hundreds if not thousands of hours of help they have given to individual Scientologists by way of ethics handlings ,assistance with admin scales, assistance with life problems and just general help.
There are many many instances of this and there are those they have rescued when such were penniless and in trouble.
I have on numerous occasions experienced Ernest walk into a room full of non-Scientologists and in minutes bring everyone way up tone.(typical SP activity)
I know there are a great number of people ,including me ,that are very please you two exist!
wow. Mike this post is really great news. I knew them when I was in South Africa, This people are really from another planet, they help so much that we cant finish in a one blog. I am in very happy that the Ernest and Gaye left the Church. I remember them in few meetings that I did with the FSC Steve Brown, thanks god they left. I know the Church put so much presure on them because they are very able people was too much.
They saw probably whay I saw in South Africa….never was expansion. the Ideal Org Johannesburg always empthy.
Good for the Corbett. Do well and keep going my friend you are very important people for me and my respect to you guys.
Ernest and Gaye,
There those of us who have experienced the real wins that come from delivering good quality auditing and training to others. There are those of us who simply want to help people with the honest skills we’ve learned. We don’t want to be subjected to arbitraries and know-best from untrained people whose only interests are power, dominance and other people’s money.
Since leaving the Co$ in 2007 because of gross out tech at Flag, the only people who have given us any grief are the demented, jack-boot thugs from the so-called church of scientology. The ONLY suppressives on our lines were individuals sent by david miscavige to try and destroy us. The suppressive group is the Co$. Their sociopathic leader is the real WHO.
I want to tell you how much it means to us when individuals like yourselves, who have finally had enough of the crap, come out publicly after withdrawing your support of miscavige’s suppressive group. If you do even 10% as much as an independent as you did in the RCS, you will find that you end up doing 10X the good.
Thank you
Les Warren
Ernst and Gaye, welcome. Many arms are opened to receive you and give you a hand on whatever you may need. You have mine and many others’ support.
Your integrity and confront is acknowledged and I am sure both will lead a better life. You more than deserve it.
As far as the abuses of the Church…that’s it, no longer should be tolerated, nor condoned. The SP – so call leader – is so, so sociopath that he ranks No 1 of that category. The hell with you bastard.
Leave it to Cof$ to try to crush the powerhouses of the group. Glad they’re OUT pf the suppression and now part of our theta world!
Reading this story reminds me of Al Capone, except it could be on a bigger scale. About a week ago, we read an email from England where the sender was pleading for 1200 more Humanitarians in the UK. That is literally 120 million dollars. If you take the UK, then factor all of the other areas, plus all of the “ideal orgs” that have been made in the last 10 years, you are looking about a 1 billion dollar scam.
I can only guess how many kool-aiders have put their finances in incredible jeopardy. And to what end? A bunch of over-the-top fancy buildings.
The latest word is that the full GAT II can not be served up in a non “ideal org.” The constant lies and BS to pilfer this much money from these good people, and the SCN community in general, should honestly land Miscavige in prison.
I had my own roll back from the same ship auditors 1.5 years ago. I told them that although they were collecting lots of money for these orgs and the IAS, they were turning off more public and potential public, that the overall loss of service income can not be estimated. As LRH would say, the public – especially potential new public – are staying away in droves.
Plus a super hardy WELCOME to Ernest and Gayle. I hope to meet you both sometime soon.
Dear Ernest and Gaye,
Thank you for your great contributions and sacrifices. Your report reflects the light of truth.
David Miscavige is horribly jealous of able people. He surrounds himself with the trappings of wealth stolen from others to get even for his incompetence. He is a sick puppy .
There is the “Law of diminishing marginal returns” most people do not understand this, even huge multi nationals. My gut feeling is you will come out on top. D.M. on the other hand has a long road to redeem his folly.
Sincerely,
The Marine
Ernest & Gaye, I cannot tell you how happy I am to see your smiling faces on this blog. I had tears in my eyes when I first heard of your freedom from the church. I wish you and your entire family nothing but happiness and joy on your new journey. With love, Christie