The Daily Beast article about the Danny Masterson case provides further insight into the back-story of the, so far, non-prosecution.
There are many more details that have not yet seen the light of day, though it seems they will either come out in a trial or in stories in the media…
I wanted to comment on the responses from Masterson’s lawyer and scientology’s anonymous “spokesperson” (Dave come on out…).
First, lawyer Marty Singer’s quote:
This is fairly typical. It’s all “old news” and “nothing to see here because he has not been charged with a crime.” And when he is charged, they will say “this is all lies, the jury will decide” and when he is convicted “the Judge refused to allow the evidence that would have exonerated him.” And when he goes to jail nobody will say a damn thing. Statements from lawyers representing people accused of crimes are pretty much pro forma.
Note, it does NOT say they investigated and informed Masterson’s lawyers that the investigation was terminated due to no evidence being found. You can bet if the case HAD been officially dropped, he would have said so. Clearly Marty Singer is well aware of what is going on as apparently he knows at least some of the evidence the D/A’s office has. And had this case been dropped he would have said so.
But of course David Miscavige’s response is more interesting:
Let’s take it a piece at a time:
“The Church adamantly denies that it ever ignores any allegation of criminal behavior”
Well, this depends on your definition of “ignores.”
Certainly they pay attention, and then launch into damage control mode to figure out how to avoid any public repercussions for scientology. All actions taken with regard to possible criminal activities of a scientologist are based on what is good for scientology. (For a complete explanation of this, see this earlier blog post Why Do Scientologists Lie?)
Remember the Lisa McPherson case? That was not ignored, but what was done was NOT to help the victim or the police. What was done was to protect scientology. Documents destroyed. Witnesses suddenly no longer in the country. Stalling the investigators. Cleaning out the room she died in with bleach.
McPherson is just a well-known example. When GO agent Michael Meisner felt the illegal actions of scientology were too much and he wanted to turn himself in he was gagged and kidnapped to try to prevent him from going to the FBI.
The truth is that criminal behavior is routinely covered up if scientology believes it can get away with it. And even when they HAVE to report it, they resort to unthinkable tactics to avoid it becoming a “flap.” When a child care center run by scientologists in Los Angeles discovered one of their scientologist staff molesting young children (not a school, a babysitting service), the church (Hello Julian Schwartz…) rounded up the parents and asked them NOT to press charges with the p0lice as it would “be bad public relations.” Without victims to press charges, the authorities could not bring a prosecution (see Danny Masterson’s lawyer’s response above — no prosecution is not evidence of innocence). That child molester remains unexposed and unpunished to this day. It was all handled “internally” and nobody ever heard about it.
There are many examples of this sort of behavior. Covering up violations of the law by having “drills” in place to hide children when inspectors show up — see the Mace Kingsley ranch episode from Season 2 of The Aftermath. See also the episode about Mirriam Francis and Saina Kamula and how their sexual molestation was handled. And the one about the suicide of Marie Billheimer’s husband and the clean up and control exerted to ensure it didn’t become a “flap.”
“This has nothing to do with religion”
Well, actually is DOES. Because everything in scientology is based on the writings of L. Ron Hubbard. And these dictate the following:
First, the fundamental belief that all right is based on what is the “greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” and this ALWAYS means what is best for scientology. Because anything that enhances scientology’s survival enhances ALL dynamics. See the blog post cited above Why Do Scientologists Lie?
Second, Hubbard’s oft-expressed hatred for “wog law” and “wog government” and the belief that to fall into the hands of the criminal justice system is tantamount to a death sentence. In the world of Hubbard, only scientologists have the ability to deal with the subjects of ethics and justice. So, scientologists feel no moral obligation to assist a system that is evil and based on “bank think” — which means it is destructive (more on this below).
Third, scientology’s strict policy requires it keep records of everything. Every report to ethics. Every interview. Every incident. Literally every tiny detail of everything that happens that affects the organization or any scientologist. They HAVE all the files and evidence concerning the incidents. In excruciating detail. Just as they did in the case of Lisa McPherson. They chose to destroy those records when the police issued a subpoena for them.
Certainly, if scientology’s contemporaneous records of the events with Masterson exonerated him, they would have been turned over to the police. You can bet they gathered together “affidavits” from people claiming the victims are lying. This is standard scientology procedure (once again see Why Do Scientologists Lie?). If they had real exculpatory evidence (like the notes from the interviews and all the Knowledge Reports that were written about these incidents, this case would have been dismissed. The only other explanation is that the records do NOT exonerate him. And in that case, scientology’s “cooperation” becomes zero. In fact, it becomes obstructionist. When Laura DeCrescenzo sought to get copies of the files they kept on her, scientology was so uncooperative they appealed it all the way to the United States Supreme Court. And lost. Those files were NOT helpful to scientology. They supported what Laura alleged.
Why haven’t the church officials who spoke to Danny Masterson and the victims (Chaplain? Angie LeClaire?) come forward. You can be sure they have been disappeared by now — probably to other countries. Just like Lisa McPherson’s caretakers were.
When the IRS was closing in back in the 80’s a bunch of scientology executives were sent to Denmark to be out of their reach. It’s a standard operating pattern for scientology.
“a bigoted agenda”
Who is bigoted? The Daily Beast? The victims?
This is scientology’s favorite bleat. “We are being abused by the exposure of our abuses.”
No doubt what they meant to allege is that this “flap” is being pushed by Leah Remini and me. But the problem with that scenario is that though we spent a lot of time putting together all the facts on this and interviewed the victims, we were asked not to air the show so as not to jeopardize the prosecution. Hardly a “bigoted agenda” to throw a lot of time and money down the drain to NOT air an episode…
“The church cooperates with law enforcement. Any statement or implication to the contrary is false.”
Well, this is the big lie here.
Here is what the FBI said in the summary of its report on the 2009-2010 human trafficking investigation:
Now, of course, scientology will say this is bs and the investigation “resulted in no prosecution” so therefore nothing about it is true. That is a lie — and in the words of David Miscavige, any statement or implication to the contrary is false.
But don’t believe the FBI or me, let’s look to “Source” for some wisdom on the subject from L. Ron Hubbard.
What follows IS what scientology operates on. This IS their law. This IS what they do and they cannot disclaim it.
And remember, these are just a few quotes from publicly available books. The really “juicy” thoughts from Hubbard on the subject have never been published but are contained in his “advices” — instructions he sent to senior scientologists when he was in hiding from the government and IRS. You can imagine his views about the government from that time. He spewed forth great venom and hatred towards government and all its agents. And that is what directs David Miscavige and the top echelons of scientology to this day.
But these earlier, more public writings will give you an idea of just how UNcooperative he wanted scientology to be with law enforcement (in fact, all government agencies).
And while reading these excerpts, understand that when the word “attacker” is used, this means anyone who is either speaking out, works for the media or is a member of any agency to look into the activities of scientology.
I have highlighted some key points in red.
This policy established what is known today as the Office of Special Affairs and it sets the tone for what follows.
HCO PL 15 AUG 1960 DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
The enturbulence entered into Scientology activities by legal matters, tax matters, and matters of assisting governments to maintain stability, has sapped our time and fixed our attention to our own loss.
Now to remedy this situation, I wish to contain and cordon, in a military sense, this incursion and to prohibit utterly and completely such entrance (of these matters or our own project for governments) into Central Org or HCO comm lines.
All contracts, filings with the government, all tax reports and their preparation, corporation minutes, annual meetings, legal papers, suits against and by the corporation, whether HASI Ltd or HCO Ltd. all legal investigatory work and detectives, all contacts with government agents, bureaus and departments, all assistance to governments, messages to governments, handling answers from governments or courts shall be cared for by the department, whether to advance or protect Scientology or its corporations by government or legal channels.
In the face of danger from Govts or courts there are only two errors one can make: (a) do nothing and (b) defend. The right things to do with any threat are to (1) Find out if we want to play the offered game or not, (2) If not, to derail the offered game with a feint or attack upon the most vulnerable point which can be disclosed in the enemy ranks, (3) Make enough threat or clamor to cause the enemy to quail, (4) Don’t try to get any money out of it, (5) Make every attack by us also sell Scientology and (6) Win. If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don’t ever defend. Always attack. Don’t ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy’s front ranks work best.
The goal of the department is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by high level ability to control and in its absence by low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies.
Here is another policy letter concerning investigations into scientology:
HCO PL 15 FEB 1966 ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY (Additional Pol Ltr)
NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology. ONLY agree to an investigation of the attackers
Don’t ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.
Hubbard expanded upon his theories later that year, including a section about how to deal with government agents he called “Methods of Balking”:
HCO PL 26 DEC 1966 PTS SECTIONS, PERSONNEL AND EXECS
METHODS OF BALKING
There are several methods by which a staff member acting as an org contact point in connection with suppressives can balk the agents of SP groups.
One is to always tape record visibly whatever the agent from such a suppressive group says. “Ah. Mr. Figuretwist of the Tax Division? Good. Now wait a moment so I can record whatever you say. Good. It’s now recording. Go ahead.” We used to handle the Internal “Revenue” Service of the US this way quite successfully. The org contact point always stopping the IRS inspector they sent around, turning on a portable recorder and then, and not until then, letting the man speak. Quite effective. That org only got into tax trouble when it stopped doing this.
One must put them in Coventry (silence treatments from staff other than the contact point). Staff members of a unit that could go PTS must be ordered to walk off without a word whenever such an agent shows up.
No “bull sessions” or arguments with such a person. The staff personnel who handles should point at the agent if other staff is about and say some key word like “This is a government man” at which all other staff in the unit turns its back or pointedly walks off. If you do this such agents can’t take offence but they get very uneasy, transact quickly, forget their mission to be enturbulative and go away soon. Don’t ever think politeness will help you. Tipping one’s hat to snakes never stopped a person getting bitten. Walking off has.
There are no good reporters. There are no good government or SP group agents. The longer you try to be nice the worse off you will be.
When such agents act or sound very suppressive, get them investigated, find the scandal and attack. It is a fortunate truth that such people also have crimes in their background that can be found. Find and expose them.
And this is the granddaddy of Hubbard-think on handling matters of justice the “Scientology way.” It too contains a section specifically about how to deal with investigations:
THE HCO MANUAL OF JUSTICE
WHEN BEING INVESTIGATED
If you are being investigated or if the Central Organization is – sit tight, don’t co-operate.
Be legal according to the laws of the land in the first place. After that kick investigators or reporters downstairs.
Press interviews usually end up as entheta or they are cover-ups for an investigation. Never co-operate. Be indifferent. Don’t let the central organization co-operate with “press” ever. That’s a lesson hard to learn. Press people are so persuasive. They are going to “help” so much. Look at a newspaper. Is it helping anybody?
Press and other queries are counter-investigation.
Never spook if investigated. And don’t co-operate. Sit tight. Be silent. Make the investigator talk. Gradually put him into session if you can. Put him in birth or get him three feet back of his head. But don’t co-operate or volunteer data. It’s not that you’ve anything to hide. It’s just that investigators can’t duplicate. They pervert things they “hear”.
Your whole answer to anyone is “This is an institution that has a definite high standing throughout the world, Why don’t you see our attorneys?” This kills press and cops alike.
I’ve seen an outside investigation of a guiltless organization put the whole place in a flap and cost it two days’ work or more. I’ve seen an organization fall apart by suspending operation for ten days while it permitted itself to be investigated. So don’t co-operate. If you don’t scare or cringe, the menace fades away.
Like I said, just a sampling.
Scientology says one thing and does the opposite. It is almost a law of nature. If scientology says they are not beating people, they are. If they claim to be against human trafficking, they are doing it themselves. If they announce massive expansion, they are contracting.
Based on my experience I am 100% sure scientology is NOT cooperating with law enforcement on the Danny Masterson case and have in fact engaged in a pattern of conduct designed to obscure the truth and cover up anything that might reflect negatively on scientology. That is the nature of the beast. Regardless of their protestations to the media.
I find it amazing and amusing that the current leadership of CoS fail to remember that the basics of policy are in the public domain and contain or hint at such jewels as you highlighted in your post. So to protest and guffaw at anyone who is doubting the sincerity of any press release by any agent of the CoS would only have to do a quick Google search to find a direct quote from the source himself about how he felt about the truth and outsiders if not the policy letter itself! Stupid is not a trait of the current anti-CoS member. Thanks to many people, including you Mike, education of the masses has begun with the dirty, behind closed doors bullshit being exposed to the light of day ( for many cults). The harder they fight back, the easier it is to believe that the folks coming forward are right. Such as in the case of the allegations made by Cathy Bernadini…. made all sorts of squawking noises about shoulder this, disability that, pain terrible! Bad ex hubby, bad!, all worse while you’re on the air as a way to shut you up. By the playbook, attack, attack, attack…. until the EMSreport was made public. She looks ( and the church who has pushed her and Taryen to keep blowing off their mouths) really stupid for even making such a ridiculous claim in the first place – but people now realize that Hubbard’s paranoia has been passed down like a pair of blue jeans in a poor family.
The CoS looks shiney due to old (and some new) celebrities and lots of money bilked out of the congregation over the years. But much like the sterotypical blonde, it is all looks and no substance. (I AM a natural blonde going grey, l can use the dumb blonde reference, ok?!). The 50’s and 60’s era paranoia will get tiring on the new watchers and they will if not already, catch on.
Keep Googling the policies boys and girls!
On the point of religion covering up or not covering up. The Catholic church has been and still does try to cover up its entrenched abuse of children. It doesn’t seem to matter for a world religion and doesn’t seem to to matter to the hierarchy of any of our systems of law. It cannot be forgotten that money talks, every single time.
It seems that is their “go to defense”…the word BIGOT strike fear in many….as in BIG trouble….i.e. you don’t like me because of my religion, color, size, shape etc.
WHO is bigotted? Why SCIENTOLOGY, of course. Anything smacking of actual justice and real morality is absolutely wrong-headed and EVIL — WOG, without their having to think about it.
Great point and well said.
No, scn doesn’t ignore allegations of criminal activities by its members: As soon as anything negative comes to their attention, they deny, deny, DENY, then obfuscate as best they can, impeding and attacking anyone even investigating the truth or falsity of the allegations, doing everything they can think of to ensure their group isn’t examined too closely, lest their complicity be brought to light and their leader be implicated in illegal or immoral activities.
No matter how tenuous the connection, they are REQUIRED to go all-out every time, thoroughly destroy every real or IMAGINED threat to their cozy little racket.
Some of these allegations are pretty old. This trains been a long time comin, Danny. Maybe they’ll remember you as Hyde, or maybe just the ME TOO poster boy
As in Mr. Hyde? vs. Dr. Jekyll? The way that Scientology has prevented the LAPD and LAPO from pursuing legal action despite “overwhelming evidence” from at least FOUR documented accusers demonstrates the effectiveness of Scientology’s “Safe-Pointing” scheme, including many donations.
Of course they will continue to defend the valuable Mr. Hyde, a.k.a., Danny M. The accusers most certainly have murdered pets, many public and private threats, have hired Private Investigators and launched smear campaigns against each and every dissenting person.
The Danny Masterson accusers have also endured many public and private threats, as well as the above. It’s been years since LA government officials first learned of these repeated felonies, yet STILL NO ACTION. Shame on you for not even looking into the public menace that is Scientology!
I should have said Co$- sponsored private investigators whose sole purpose is to find their “ruin” or find how to “utterly destroy” them, per LRH doctrines.
Always attack, never defend. Why are you defending Masterson, Mr. Miscavige?
Dave, if you happen to read every post on this blog today you will eventually realize the world sees you as being afraid of Masterson turning on scientology.
Why is that, I wonder? What possible harm could Danny Masterson inflict on scientology, and you personally, if he decides to plea bargain by betraying you? If there was only one person accusing Masterson, there might be a chance of weasling out of this situation, but THREE accusers? Dave, I am ever so grateful I do not have your unenviable and pathetic problems. How tortured your dreams must be at night.
Silk sheets don’t comfort a troubled mind, do they?
Maybe YOU should turn on scientology and just blame all your underlings. Unless they have dirt, with strong evidence, of despicable acts you have done. In fact, I would bet a lot of money that many people in your organization have been compiling a lot of dirt on you for the day they need to use it.
Is Cruise keeping a jet fueled up and waiting for you? Are you going to bring him down with you?
Mike, I think if Danny Masterson is charged and knows the prosecution has a strong case and that he’s facing jail time, his lawyer Marty Singer will advise him to plead guilty and cut a deal and flip on the cult, tell everything he knows. If it gets to the point where he faces jail time Celebrity Centre and COB Scientology and his Eternity be damned, he’ll spill anything that will minimize his sentence or keep him out of prison altogether. I’m not a legal person but perhaps someone here would know if a defense could be constructed based on having been under the sway of one’s religion…? .
Hi Aqua – although it would be great if he did flip on the cult, this will never happen, the Kool Aid runs to deep through his veins. And I don’t think he would risk losing mom, brother and sister. No instead he will fall on the sword for the great almighty COB.
Ms. P, I hear you, and not to cavil with you, but when someone is facing JAIL, being in JAIL for YEARS that puts the situation in a whole new light. .Plenty of hardened criminals have caved and cut plea deals to avoid jail or lessen their sentences. If the Church of Scientology did destroy evidence of a crime or obstructed justice, and Danny Masterson knows that they did this – wow, that’s very serious, and to not tell all that he knows puts him in even worse legal jeopardy, I would think. But I’m not a legal person. I just read a lot of detective fiction 🙂 So who knows? Maybe Donkey Puncher will as you say, fall on his sword for the cult. Interesting times, and yet another reason added to the long list of reasons why it has to suck to be Miscavige.
The very fact that Mr. Hyde has the nickname “Donkey Puncher” must give us all pause…
‘DJ Donkey Punch’ might be a name he regrets having in prison.
☺️, “cavil”! Such the best word you could possibly have used! Thank You for your enlightened viewpoint and impeccable grammar.
Oh my goodness, I’m blushing. Thanks, L. Not for nothin’ do I read the Enquirer 🙂
Impeccable grammar indeed! Had to look it up, now I love this new word, plan on using it in the future.
Well, “impeccable” is way too generous an adjective IMO but I do appreciate your warm-hearted acknowledgement Ms. P, and won’t cavil with you about it 🙂
One can only hope ??
“This has nothing to do with religion“
IIRC, Scientology is the first, with that statement, to mention religion other than sites like this who have watched scn’s bungling of the situation by misusing their misguided “ethics” handlings. Of course, now that they have inserted themselves into what has become a too-common Hollywood story, the allegations now include Scientology intercepting the dispute and barring aggrieved parties from filing complaints with the appropriate agencies, hobbling the justice system. There IS nothing religious about that, as no actual religion would punish victimized parishoners in such a way, would so vigorously prevent an unbiased investigation into the charges, by throwing the red herring of “religion” into a complaint which would only be MORE abhorrent if “religion” WERE somehow involved in the accused’s allleged activity. AFAICT, nothing about the women’s complaints have anything to do with Scientology. The only connection I can see is that Danny is a B-list celebritysometimes proponent of the organization, perhaps even publically mentioning the group from time-to-time. He’s certainly not the opinion-leader that Leah is. he’s not worth the “hit” to Scientology’s credibility that they’re assuming by inserting themselves into the proceedings It’s one thing to ride his coattails to positive PR IF he ever should become an A-lister, yet another to ride this HUGEly negative story.
Sadly, these days the *accusation* of sexual misconduct in Hollywood is enough to crash a career, even if the allegations later are proven false. The ALLEGATIONS get big front-page headlines, any exoneration is buried at the bottom of page 23.
…and on a lighter note than my last post…….
I got a postcard today telling me to “Join the DETROIT Ideal Team Today!”
DETROIT TOUGH
“A Leader is somebody who can assume responsibility for his sphere of influence”.
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the idea, of moving to Detroit, to be part of an Ideal Org… hahaha.
Those
Poor
Bastards.
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I’ve been off staff for a awhile…. but the protectionist attitude and actions are still crystal clear in my mind.
But… as a Class V org staff member – not SO, not upper SO Exec Criminal type, I can’t imagine getting behind sheltering a rapist.
I can hear the spin, I can hear the finger-pointing dead-agenting… but… at the lower levels, I’m not sure we would have closed ranks so tightly.
We were so bloody naive … management, on the whole, was sane and rational and were the Big OTs who would fight to the end against the psychs and SPs. We on the ground would hold that ground, and just go about our business of freeing the local folks. We didn’t fight the big fights.
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I wish I could tell all of the media the truth, that anything and everything about this Danny cretin was written down, in duplicate and copied in files all over the place. There were meetings, there were decisions, there were programs written. It was in his OSA files, his ethics files, his PC folders. It was on video, sessions and interviews by the handful….It’s in the files of his accusers. It was all there…at one point. Scn DOCUMENTS. If they do nothing else, they collect documents and evidence.
I couldn’t imagine being an H.A.S. and being told to destroy KRs. I can imagine being told to “send them uplines”, but I can’t imagine a local org having any dirt and destroying it. Too many possible loose lips. So it’s AO, it’s Flag, it’s a bunch of SO orgs…that had the dirt.
I hope it breaks open.
I only have (second hand) personal knowledge of one nasty bit that was covered up and protected, “handled internally”. It’s a heavy enough weight.
“I hope it breaks open.”
Sure looks to me like it will, and the charges against Co$ will be quite serious indeed.
We, who’ve learned about life “inside the bubble” have given those within it our fullest measure of compassion, grace, and forgiveness. We have sympathy for those purportedly “saving the planet”. We put the good of others before ourselves, and work for the good of all. Agape.
“We…have given those within…our fullest measure of compassion, grace and forgiveness”.
That hit home to me, L. Yours is the right attitude. Its the right energy, the kind of healing energy that gently rights the wrongs of the world. Agape. It is a good feeling, when you’re really feeling it. I wish I could emanate it all the time, for real.
I don’t, though. I frequently get pissed off and impatient with the Still Ins and blow off steam by writing snotty, snarky stuff. I’m also fond of alliteration.
I love this, and it’s a balm to even read such things.
I too feel this way for the most part.
The only ones I won’t cover with the warm blanket of understanding are those who know the truth.
Those who see the stats and know the truth, those who know the truth of Hubbard’s life and death and the real important one: truth about the OT levels.
Those guys I hold accountable. All the others are under the spell of the magic feather with goodness in their hearts.
This is certainly an interesting set of circumstances that has presented itself….. It’s been said “He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”…..hmmm. So will Masterson fall on the sword to protect his much loved “cherch” & it’s leader….& ADMIT everything or most of everything he’s done>………OR if “they” (depending on which agency has the guts to go for it) find him guilty, then what will happen? Will he be offered or permitted to plea bargain out for each proven “misadventure” where like in MOST rape cases he will only get a few years for each offense? Well…..I wouldn’t take bets on either way since the end result doesn’t take away the pain these women have suffered through. I can’t imagine be branded “a liar”…..OR to have the so called “cherch” intimidate you by, sending letters, emails, phone calls, following you, sitting in front of your home, annoying your neighbors and friends and family….just so the VICTIM drops their charges. The HELL with this “Freedom Medal”….these women need a BRAVERY MEDAL.
INTIMIDATION is the word that comes to mind. The very best of the best…..you will be “separated from your family, your friends, from everything & anything you’ve EVER known”…….scary stuff.
As most people know, the truth doesn’t remain buried forever, it may take weeks, months, even years but the TRUTH shall reveal itself & THAT my friends is when everyone who has ANY part in ANY of this will be running to cover their own asses. Some may disavow knowledge of what had gone on, as if they turned a blind eye to “it”….others may use the excuse “well, I couldn’t believe he would do something like that”.
The persons who suffer the most are always the VICTIM, who has to time and time again prove their truth…..it’s no long a case of “Innocent until PROVEN guilty”….because now the VICTIM i s the one who has to prove THEY are NOT lying about being assaulted sexually, physically, emotionally. When one feels like they are fighting “city hall”…..one is when faced with seems like a never ending battle, will throw in the towel & give up their fight. It’s a sad sad sad world we live in.
Balletlady, I’m not a legal person but i would THINK that proof of a cover up of the alleged rapes by CO$ in various ways would make the charges against the alleged perpetrator far more serious than just his alleged crimes..
We can only hope Aqua…..Statute of Limitations is one thing, a series of cover ups another…….I”d like to be a fly on the wall in the court room..
I get high when I see you go by
My oh my
When you cry, my, my inside just flies
Butterflies
Why are you so shy when I’m beside you?
It’s only rape and that is all
Why should you feel the way you do?
It’s only rape, and that is all
Ain’t no big thing what I do
Is it right that I should be denied
Every time?
Why should you resist and try to fight?
So uptight!
I surely have the right to feel you up girl!
It’s only rape and that is all
Why should you feel the way you do?
It’s only rape, and that is all
Ain’t no big thing what I do
It’s too damn hard courting you!
What a frigin mess these people are in.
Karma will take care of everything….it will just take some time but it will happen. ☺️
Keep up the good work!
Joan, you’ve never heard of Instant Karma? Karma, certainly can be a bitch, but, Instant Karma is a whole other animal.
I’ve never seen instant karma, but I’ve seen rapid karma, and it’s just reaaaaally sad. It’s usually rooted in the original event, so you can follow the dots to the outcome, and it’s brutal.
Most of the time, though, karma takes awhile.
Its a matter of taste but I prefer cornflakes.
I throw up in my mouth when I see Donky Punch.
How long will LAPD OR County hold out? I mean, it’s like they’re sayin..”Still ho in for Xenu after all these years”
I feel like barfing every time look at him too! ‘How long will LAPD OR County hold out?’ What I’d like to know is when are the likes of Megyn Kelly or Ronan Farrow going to pick up on this?
Marne, his name is already mud and so is Scientology’s. Our criminal justice system requires EVIDENCE to prove guilt in court and before that GROUNDS on which to CHARGE someone with a crime. A reputation can be ruined in a twinkling; gathering grounds for an accusation CAN take time IF the prosecution is being careful. Danny Masterson still needs to be CHARGED with a crime.
Don’t get me wrong: I’m not defending him! I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate.
There’s no sense in charging someone with a crime if the state hasn’t enough of a chance to convict.
I’m not a legal person but that’s the gist.
Aquamarine – Don’t get Me wrong. There are individuals I have encountered or observed during my lifetime that have struck be as being ‘unwholesome’ (my term for someone who strikes me as not being morally/ethically true). Within the context of This scenario, this opinion applies to Miscavige, Rathbun, and Masterson. First time ever I saw each of these individuals, that is the impression I had of Each of them . But, let me make something clear: my opinion of Masterson has Nothing to do with my outrage over this situation which is simply the fact that the Cult’s tactics and the LAPD’s disposition towards the Cult in similar situations over the years makes me question the validity of an OVER-A-YEAR ‘INVESTIGATION’ INTO THE FACTS. All I am saying is, someone in the mainstream media should be shining a light on this.
What is interesting is that the #hastag me too movement hasn’t caught up with this. I mean we live in an age where innocent men are losing their livelihood and reputation because old girlfriends or coworkers hurl, sometimes completely false (see Paul Haggis)accusations.
But, with Masterson….crickets. These women need to go to every media outlet they can and scream loud and long until something is done. It worked with Cosby.
Maybe we could Twitter them
“Captain” Dave’s statement is actually pretty hilarious for its self-contradictory nature: “This has nothing to do with religion. This story is being manipulated to push a bigoted agenda.”
Obviously, 4’13” got greedy and wants to have it both ways: It’s NOT about “religion.” But then again, it’s about “bigotry” which by definition is an affront against a RELIGION (or a few other things that don’t apply here–not that “religion” necessarily does either).
It’s a lot like saying: “When the crime occurred I was not even in the country. But in response to those who saw me at the crime scene, I was nothing but an innocent bystander.”
But I will agree with the “cap.” This is all about a series of hideous crimes and obstruction of justice. This indeed has nothing to do with “religion,” real or make-believe. And even less so, with “bigotry!”
Excellent analysis Mike. This is textbook Scientology: Lie, evade, cover up, and don’t cooperate. Scientology thinks that the longer it can stall or impede an investigation the better its chances of slipping the noose become.
Over against this, however, the damage to Scientology’s reputation exponentially increases as it lies, covers up, and refuses to cooperate. This is happening in the Danny Masterson case. The longer the Masterson case stays out there, the bigger it becomes.
The Danny Masterson case very much resembles the Harvey Weinstein case. Both men sought to deny, stall, and play the victim. Harvey Weinstein played every card he could. Weinstein and his legal team used so much threat that they were able to get NBC to kill Ronan Farrow’s story on Weinstein.
NBC execs infamously passed on the story and urged Farrow to take it elsewhere. Farrow did just that; his subsequent articles in The New Yorker earned both himself and the magazine the 2018 Pulitzer Prize gold medal for public service. Farrow is an attorney and a member of the New York bar. His skills as an attorney were evident in the way he investigated Weinstein. Weinstein even hired David Miscavige’s guy Mike Sitrick to do damage control. In the end, Weinstein was arrested after throwing up every roadblock he could.
Weinstein did not have a Church of Scientology helping him as does Danny Masterson. My prediction is that all of the roadblocks thrown up by Scientology and Masterson will fail and that Masterson will be arrested as was Harvey Weinstein.
Unlike the scammy tactics LRH advocated for civil and tax matters, criminal matters don’t go away.
I loved reading what you just wrote. I just don’t understand why after 15 months nothing has even been said at all regarding this piece of Trashterson.
Goodness me… seems like most of the time as a child we are taught (enforced) to accept being honest and forthright with the truth is best (for who exactly?). Then you enter the real world with lawyers, police, politicians etc.
The cloak of religion, especially brands like Scientology would have you incarcerated, excommunicated or dead rather than have one shred of evidence of their wrong doing being brought into the light. Every inch of honesty extracted from Scientology represents a battlefield scenario of some sort, complete with every dirty trick that that entails. Scientology is in a constant state of war! Hubbard’s policy if you really look at it, confirms it. Always attack, never defend… think about that for a moment, (where does the truth fit into that?)
As you’ve said more than once Mike – WTF were we a part of?
…Where does the truth fit…they don’t need no stinkin’ truth! They have the tech! And the tech will set them free.
It hasn’t yet, of course. Unless the problem is not being able to find a parking place, but it will if they just believe and pay and pay and pay and…..
What struck me more than anything about this article is that apparently there is evidence that David Miscavige was well aware of these allegations (or at least one of his “security guards” or whatever the terminology was).
To be honest, I’ve wondered a few times over the past year why Scientology doesn’t just throw this guy under the bus, declare him, and wipe their hands clean of him (they’re more than willing to toss others under the bus, especially when there’s a massive “PR flap” such as this). It’s not like he’s a Tom Cruise with a massive platform that can really do much damage, the like of what Leah and other celebrities have done since leaving. And they could easily put up a damning “who is” site on the guy based on the information they must have available regarding what he did to these women.
But it makes sense now (to me at least) that there’s a better than fair possibility that Miscavige wants to defend this guy because he knows that the evidence could implicate him directly. And even if he claims “I wasn’t given this information”, then what does that say about his level of control over the Sea Org member who was given this information to deliver to him? Is he really in control? I’m sure he doesn’t want his authority questioned.
If that’s the case, and he knows he could be implemented, that would certainly explain why they are still willing to defend this guy and the massive fair gaming of anyone who could possibly implicate him and get him wrapped up in this case. It’s all about covering his own ass at this point, because I’m sure he couldn’t care less about Danny Masterson’s well-being (he’s probably pissed as hell at him if I had to venture a guess). He just wants this whole thing to just go away and for the victims to be silenced (in conversations I’ve had with at least one of them, it’s pretty safe to assume that she will NOT be silenced…..at all).
Self-survival is what Miscavige cares about most. Keeping an iron grip of control over his (massively shrinking) empire, which allows him to live the life of Riley and at the same time, massage his massively overblown ego. Something tells me those days are numbered, and he’s probably just hoping he naturally “drops his body” before the day of reckoning finally arrives.
” To be honest, I’ve wondered a few times over the past year why Scientology doesn’t just throw this guy under the bus, declare him, and wipe their hands clean of him (they’re more than willing to toss others under the bus, especially when there’s a massive “PR flap” such as this)”
Mick,
While I agree with the concept, reality is somehow different. Similar feelings were at hand about a fellow named Hitler almost 100 years ago. It was a ‘YUGE’ PR flap yet it was very difficult for the German people at whatever level to simply throw him under the bus
I think Dave IS $cientology and he keeps everyone in line because he is a classic psychopath.
Yo OSA,
Which ones of you are ready for some buss activity? Grow a pair fellas.
Sorry, I used the “he/him” pronoun a bit too much in my post, and used it interchangeably with Miscavige and Masterson. I meant I’m surprised they haven’t thrown Masterson under the bus yet. Should have clarified my post a bit better. That’s what I get for rambling and hitting “Post Comment”.
Mick, I think the reason the cult hasn’t thrown Masterson under the bus, and won’t, is because they can’t. They’re right there in the soup with him. If they throw DannyBoy under the bus, and he knows he’s going to jail, he’ll flip on them.
Now, I would LIKE to believe that whoever is garnering the evidence needed to CHARGE Masterson with a crime is doing is it a very thorough, careful and methodical manner, which may mean that it takes longer.
But if the LAPD is smart, they’ll proceed with extreme caution garnering evidence, crossing every T, dotting every I. They’ll have in their arsenal nothing that can get thrown out as having been illegally obtained, etc.
Then, once he’s charged, armed with a very solid case, the prosecution has LEVERAGE against him.
Once this guy is staring at the strong likelihood of jail time, he’ll sing like a bird against the cult, and the cult knows this.
We don’t know, at this point, how much evidence has been garnered to date against Danny Masterson but I would LIKE to believe that the process is going slowly because the powers that be are going about it in an extremely careful and thorough and legal manner.
“Trust NOT in the LAPD or government officials in California.” They have been provably corrupt for many decades. And not how many times LA police have appeared with and in support of scientology. The scn group would eagerly spend millions defending a gaffe such as Masterson has committed.
I hear you, Peter. Consider my comment as coming from an academic viewpoint – more like, how things are supposed to be rather than how they actually ARE. Unlike a number of people posting on this blog I’m not a Californian and other than having read here that these police have long been sewn into the cult’s pocket I’m ignorant about the LAPD.
How astute; I think you may be right. And, I agree . . . . his days are definitely numbered, but I sincerely hope he ends up in jail for many, many years Before he is able to ‘drop his body’. He’s a Fop. To him, landing in jail is a fate Worse than Death; imagine, no more hair plugs, botox, tanning bed. And, in the way of recreation, no scuba diving or $1300 scotch. YIKES!
Well written. So true.
Brilliant, Mike. I find that your deconstruction of these $ci statements has always been among your most powerful and effective works. I know that you are getting wide exposure on Aftermath with your thoughts but this thorough essay is able to go into so much detail and supporting documentation. I know that you were at the center of spreading $ci lies for a long time but I am staggered at how much more powerful you have become at spreading the $ci truth. You are a good man.
I wish more people in the general public could have a close look at these “What $ci say vs. What $ci actually means” essays. Some of their policies and actions are so audacious that they defy belief. In many ways this has shielded $ci because most decent and caring people can not conceive of this sort of behavior as standard operating procedure. The details and insights you provide are invaluable in unmasking this callous and cruel criminal organization.
“Some of their policies and actions are so audacious that they defy belief.”
And therein lies part of the problem. For people like me, who were never in but who follow these stories closely, everything said above about COS behavior is not just likely but is nearly a certainty. For people I talk to who don’t follow these stories (and who probably think I’m a little odd for being so interested in COS actions), they just can’t believe that a “religion” would behave like this. So they can very easily believe that the stories they hear are one-offs, or are the result of “bitter apostates.”
That’s why Aftermath is so important. It brings these stories (many, many stories) to a wider audience, because not everyone is reading Mike and Tony’s blogs every day.
From my limited understanding of scientology, I figure that just the fact that the victims involved the cherch in the first place gives them credibility. Why would anyone lie to ethics officers about something like rape, knowing the shit storm that would ensue? You’d have to make the calculation that telling the lie would have a payoff that would make the shit storm worth it. It just doesn’t compute.
That’s because it’s Scientology, Miss Q. And Scientology doesn’t compute. And never will.
Posted this over on the ‘Bunker’ the other day, maybe it will find some use over here.
Note that if these actions are committed in furtherance of a conspiracy, such as $cientology’s attempt to thwart investigation into their coverup, this becomes a felony with increased penalties.
Penal Code – PEN
PART 1. OF CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [25 – 680] ( Part 1 enacted 1872. )
TITLE 7. OF CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC JUSTICE [92 – 186.34] ( Title 7 enacted 1872. )
CHAPTER 6. Falsifying Evidence, and Bribing, Influencing, Intimidating or Threatening Witnesses [132 – 141] ( Heading of Chapter 6 amended by Stats. 1985, Ch. 962, Sec. 2. )
136.1.
(a) Except as provided in subdivision (c), any person who does any of the following is guilty of a public offense and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or in the state prison:
(1) Knowingly and maliciously prevents or dissuades any witness or victim from attending or giving testimony at any trial, proceeding, or inquiry authorized by law.
(2) Knowingly and maliciously attempts to prevent or dissuade any witness or victim from attending or giving testimony at any trial, proceeding, or inquiry authorized by law.
(3) For purposes of this section, evidence that the defendant was a family member who interceded in an effort to protect the witness or victim shall create a presumption that the act was without malice.
(b) Except as provided in subdivision (c), every person who attempts to prevent or dissuade another person who has been the victim of a crime or who is witness to a crime from doing any of the following is guilty of a public offense and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or in the state prison:
(1) Making any report of that victimization to any peace officer or state or local law enforcement officer or probation or parole or correctional officer or prosecuting agency or to any judge.
(2) Causing a complaint, indictment, information, probation or parole violation to be sought and prosecuted, and assisting in the prosecution thereof.
(3) Arresting or causing or seeking the arrest of any person in connection with that victimization.
(c) Every person doing any of the acts described in subdivision (a) or (b) knowingly and maliciously under any one or more of the following circumstances, is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years under any of the following circumstances:
(1) Where the act is accompanied by force or by an express or implied threat of force or violence, upon a witness or victim or any third person or the property of any victim, witness, or any third person.
(2) Where the act is in furtherance of a conspiracy.
(3) Where the act is committed by any person who has been convicted of any violation of this section, any predecessor law hereto or any federal statute or statute of any other state which, if the act prosecuted was committed in this state, would be a violation of this section.
(4) Where the act is committed by any person for pecuniary gain or for any other consideration acting upon the request of any other person. All parties to such a transaction are guilty of a felony.
(d) Every person attempting the commission of any act described in subdivisions (a), (b), and (c) is guilty of the offense attempted without regard to success or failure of the attempt. The fact that no person was injured physically, or in fact intimidated, shall be no defense against any prosecution under this section.
(e) Nothing in this section precludes the imposition of an enhancement for great bodily injury where the injury inflicted is significant or substantial.
(f) The use of force during the commission of any offense described in subdivision (c) shall be considered a circumstance in aggravation of the crime in imposing a term of imprisonment under subdivision (b) of Section 1170.
(Amended by Stats. 1997, Ch. 500, Sec. 1. Effective January 1, 1998.)
I wonder how many ‘counts’ would be tallied against the cherch if the whole truth were known? I hazard a guess that many lifetimes would quickly add up.
And on another note, my daughter who works in the CMO at the Hollywood Guarantee Building has now been-in for over 20 years and is 36 years old. So sad to even contemplate what has been done to her and worse, what she has done to others in the name of saving the planet. She was the Dir I&R for a long while but maybe she has been demoted due to having a declared Ess Pee for a father.
I’m sure Julian and the other friendlies are more that happy to show her the posts I make on this blog as proof of what a total jerk, joker, degrader, etc. her Dad really is whenever she becomes at all reasonable..
All of her friends, teachers and acquaintances remember her as a sweet, loving person who was always ready to offer help and encouragement. I keep a photo of her out when she took ballet lessons and wore braces. How much of that basic personality is allowed out these days I wonder. Those are not traits that are highly valued by the cult.
And I often muse about how this will work out and what I might be able to do if she were in the position of wanting to reconnect. I have no experience with this sort of thing but a long time family friend did grow up in war torn Germany as a young girl. She was 18 when the war ended and eventually moved to the US. She admitted that she did not consider that she ever recovered from what she saw and had to do to stay alive
Yo Dave,
Do not relax good buddy. I won’t either!.
All joking aside Newcomer, I really feel for you and the loss you must have to live with regarding your daughter. I truly hope she wakes up (the sooner the better!) and you guys are reunited. I believe love eventually heals all wounds
Thanks for the thoughts MJM. I share your belief.
And it’s happening to an outstanding person, who I know. And this person is carrying a tremendous load. I admire him tremendously.
Newcomer, the greatest gift you can give your daughter is to love her and be exactly who you are, which includes how you express yourself at any given moment, as well as doing what you believe to be right. One day, when she wakes up, she’ll realize that. In the meantime, it doesn’t matter what you say. You are you,you are who you are, and you love her. That’s all you can ever do for her. That’s the most anyone can do for anyone, actually.
Coop, I have such empathy for you and your post today about your daughter. I feel for you and hope that you will see both your kids again and be reunited with them. You are a good and honorable guy, and the SP label they hung on you is so false it is like an oxymoron.
One of the biggest things I hate about the cult on staff thing (either at a Cl V Org or in the SO), is how they change their recruit’s basic personality. My daughter was such a beautiful, light and sweet and innocent girl who would not harm a fly. Her wavelength was like gossamer. Her personality started changing when she joined staff. She became more snd more like that cold, chrome steel RTC valence (personality). I mourned the loss of her long before I lost her physically. I want her and her basic goodness back again. And that goes for my son too, as I lost both of them to the cult. But this post is not about me. It is about you, Coop. Just keep the faith alive that you will see them again.
What you said, ctempster.
The hardest part for me, Coop, is that goodness you saw in your daughter and I in my son and I too wonder if that sweet, kind, really good soul is still there. It’s tears me up too much. I love your courage, your love, your resolve and your persistence. I wish I had some of your fortitude.
What Mary said. Way. regarding whether that goodness, the sweetness that is their inherent personality and how the cult changes that, I think it will come back after they get out of the cult and have time to destimulate from it. A valence is just an added on personality laying over the original one. So it seems logical to me that given enough good nutrition and rest and time away from the cult after escaping, that they’d go back to their own basic personality. I’m not saying it will be easy. They may need counseling for years because of PTSD syndrome, but I am hoping it can be done. Even victims of Hitler’s gas camps, some of them who lived, came out with their incredible spirit and humanity alive. Anne Frank’s dad comes to mind.
Thanks for the kind words. I am really happy to know you as friends!
On a more humorous note, I woke up this morning with an old question floating around in my head which went something like ……….
“Would you want someone else to have the knowledge that you now have?”
Yo Dave,
You betcha good buddy and don’t worry, the verbal data is flyin’ these days! We are spreading the word far and wide about You and Your loser cult.
There appears to be many important $cieno Asses hanging way out over the Masterson rapes. That is the other reason why the cover up was originally done. All those trips to the sec check e-meter were recorded on paper. Now, where has that paper gone? Up in smoke or hidden away? It is long past time for another government raid on $cieno properties.
And raid their lawyers and Private Investigators too.
I’m wondering just how much of that cult paperwork the LAPD needs for grounds to charge him, and once charged, how much of it the prosecution would need in order to get a conviction. Danny Masterson is already toxic as far as his PR goes but I want to see him in jail if he’s proven guilty. The brass ring. Jail. And I want him to flip on the cult when the prosecution leans on him. I want him to spill EVERYTHING. That’s my postulate mmmmuuuuwahahahaa…..
Great write up!
I’ve read or heard most of that before, but it is very important to keep in mind.
What struck me this time was the clearness of the instructions. No nonsense used to confuse the audience, or words written just to pad the document. He meant what he said and didn’t want to have any reason for people not to understand.
He really was an evil genius.
I am under the Radar but I have Scientologists who are friends and don’t know that I am “in hiding”. They are sticking up for Danny Masterson and posting on social media about it.
Talk about Stimulus Response.
A=A=A
Scientologist = innocent = good guy
You might point out to your friends that the women were also scilons and ask “what about that?”
Well, of course, CG. You expected different? That ANY still in “in good standing” would even ENTERTAIN the possibility that a Scientology Celebrity Whale was a rapist? Surely you jest. That said, GREAT btw that they talk to you candidly, though! Go along with them, keep them talking!
You are saying they use reverse psychology. They say one thing yet do the exact opposite. Interesting.
I think this phenomena is part of the willingness being removed from the individual and replaced with LRH quotes and policy. Their willingness is siphoned to the group dynamic, and they may not reflect on what they are doing, as in Not Knowing or being consciousness of their actions, until years later in recovery or after they blow. This explains a lot about the ‘Why’ and ‘How’ these actions are taken even today. The reverse psychology outcome is a result of the intention to produce general disharmony and nonconformance behavior (e.g. on an oscilloscope this would produce an inverse wave).
I am having a hard time understanding the reasoning why they are defending Danny Masterson. All to save one public figure? Is it that some of this happened on Church of Scientology property? Are they that hard-pressed to stop their loss of recognizable membership? Obviously they are giving an official statement of being disassociated with the case as a religion, but as you point out it is almost a referendum on their religion. If they can’t save him, it’s almost like the Homo-Novis is more like a Homo-Deflattus. As in the gains and wins are for naught. I think you should have and easily could have done more than one episode on Danny Masterson, the subject and its interconnections are fascinating.
On this subject of human trafficking. How many foreign Scientologists are working in the USA? I have heard cases of staff on the Freewinds having their passports taken. I think you’re onto something here perhaps a future article can cover.
I really think the reason they are “covering” this up and putting so much effort into it, is because they should have gone to the authorities right in the beginning. They screwed up by following the screwball policies and now, all these years later, know they have screwed up and will do anything to cover their asses. But remember, the policy says scn can “handle” the person and no scn’er should go to the authorities or sue another scn’er. If these woman had been “wogs” they would never have been able to cover it up and would have (most probably) just let Masterson handle it all on his own…..just my two cents.
Bingo, Lowie. I agree 100% with your two cents 🙂
Right
If the church, as DM claims, follows ALL laws how did so many Church staff members,, including Hubtard’s wife go to Federal prison for enacting a CHURCH planned and Hubtard approved Federal crime spree?
Can’t you hear them dismissing that as “a long time ago”? I’ve heard Marty do it a thousand times. All the while, looking down at his notes, of course.
Great post!
Scientology “scriptures” require that Co$ officials obstruct justice when dealing with criminal allegations such as in the Masterson case. Regardless of whether Scientology is perceived as a religion or not, there is nothing in the Constitution or any other law that gives them the right to do this.
I would LOVE to see a show on Aftermath that focuses on exactly this type of thing. Invite current or former FBI agents, federal prosecutors, judges, congressmen, etc., onto the show for a discussion, and how society can best protect itself against Scientology and other organizations that utilize these tactics.
Nice compilation of Source on the subject.
“Scientology says one thing and does the opposite.”
EVERY time, even when it’s against their own interests.
America is civilized because we have law abiding citizens THROUGHOUT OUR LAND. Some laws may be wrong for some groups, so they are repealed or new laws are added by Congress. However, ONLY Scientology CREATES none-law abiding citizens from the law abiding citizens in our country.
The mafia collects criminal minds to do their dirty work. Scientology CREATES criminal minds to do their dirty work.
Spot on!
Came across and reread your excellent To Speak Or Not To Speak article yesterday. This Masterson article, along with yesterday’s Denver in Distress made me think readers might want to take a hard look at what you wanted others to know. Let’s fave it, readers. We are not bound by the church’s code of silence anymore. We know right from wrong. There is freedom of mind when telling the truth. No matter how long ago something happened, no matter what we did or didn’t do at the time, if it involved something that should have been reported to the police and it was covered up, now is the time to speak up. Not doing so allows the church to perpetuate these lies with the membership and media. https://www.mikerindersblog.org/to-speak-or-not-to-speak/
Does anyone here remember the name, Joseph Valachi, ref: the famous ‘Valachi Papers’? For those who don’t, he was the first Mafia member to break the ‘code of silence’ and acknowledge the existence (and detail the structure) of the Mafia (then referred to as the ‘Costra Nostra’). Although he died in prison (serving time for his many crimes), he was viewed as a hero by the public because he had the courage to stand up for what was Right, and to ultimately tell the truth regardless of the price. Mary is absolutely right:
‘We know right from wrong. There is freedom of mind when telling the truth. No matter how long ago something happened, no matter what we did or didn’t do at the time, if it involved something that should have been reported to the police and it was covered up, now is the time to speak up. Not doing so allows the church to perpetuate these lies with the membership and media’.
To all those who are ‘under the radar’, to all those who ‘sneak peaks’ at Mike’s, and Tony’s blogs, if Ever there was a time to Make a Stand for yourselves, your families and friends against this Malignant Thing that calls itself a Religion, IT IS NOW!!!!! Please, Please, Please.
AMEN to that!
Absolutely!
Brick by brick, Mike. Keep slinging your hammer. One day this wall will come down and you, Mike, Leah and several others will be the heros that righted the wrongs of this vile church.
Its funny how so many criminals get brought down, finally, by something they’ve been doing for so long, so successfully, with no bad repercussions, and then they do it again, not worrying about it that much, because they’ve always gotten away with it before, you know, so its no big deal, just do it again, but then, THIS time, – WHAMMO! I love it. And i love it even more that its biting them in the butt RETROACTIVELY, thanks to @MeToo. And speaking of MeToo, by now they should be thoroughly aware that Taryn’s pandering is for the cult that’s very likely covering up or destroying evidence for Masterson to prevent his being charged with rape. That should go over beautifully with the @MeToos.
From your lips to God’s ears.
Thank you, especially for the good analogy, Marnie.
No good answers for Scientology.
Thankyou Mike for all your years of explaining Scientology’s problems stemming from unalterable L. Ron Hubbard policies.
Only wholesale quitting by Scientologists and leaving their official Scientology, and re-setting themselves up without having an OSA/DSA network and not engaging in all of the Dept 20 Hubbard thinking and policies, is really the only way out for Scientologists out of the Hubbard full framework.
They’d need some kind of mass exit.
Oh wait, that kind of already happened, back in the 1980s, and ended up splintering into inactivity pretty much.
Hmm, the big long patterns of Scientology, this L. Ron Hubbard subject, seem to almost follow Hubbard’s dismal end of life at Creston Ranch, with him admitting failure at his own whole system.
Chuck,
As you well remember there was an exit-ous when scientology was raising rates 5% a month, and when the mission complex was destroyed, and when Debbie Cook sent her email. Each hit a select portion of the staff and public. Each exit was not followed by a new inflow. Slowly and bit by bit the cult shrinks and becomes impotent-er-er. 🙂
….-er, –er, for sure…
They got gobs of money, and got those buildings that will drain their gobs of money, little by little, so it might be a couple decades until some un-brain-frozen predecessor to Miscavige does some collapse moves that loses them their buildings and money pile.
Their bubble’s surface seems not to be popping, but toughening, as they do their shrinking.
Wow. Well said. Anyone who has ever been staff knows this attitude and deception is true. I think outside of that though some people find this unbelievable….who would do this?…why would a church do this??….the audacity of those policies makes it unbelievable to the regular citizen until they watched Aftermath and NOW it’s more believable. The government should know who their enemies are.
I grew up with a woman named Laura Hippe, who later joined Scientology. She was a walk-on actress and appeared in movies like The Swinging Barmaids, Stay Hungry and Logan’s Run. She would later die at Narconon in 1986. As a retired LA cop I would enjoy finding out what happened to Laura and I’m asking, in lieu of Mike’s superb blog, Mike and Leah’s followers, and the readers of this blog, if anyone has information on Laura Hippe and her passing. Thanks again, Mike, for your hard hitting piece!
I’m so sorry. I hope you get some answers.
You may want to check out this article, including the comments:
http://www.themortonreport.com/celebrity/hollywood/scientologys-narconon-a-legacy-of-failure-and-death/
Thank you, I’ve read that article and I’ve been looking into Laura’s case for years. I’m always surprised that when you work the streets how little you know about what goes on inside buildings, businesses, apartments, hospitals, clinics, hobo jungles, dog houses and homes in the 500 square miles of Los Angeles. And then that particular radio call will open a Pandora’s Box of insanity, ranging from human bondage and kwashiorkor to stolen art from the Holocaust, and sometimes murder.
Jburtis2013, sadly, Laura committed suicide. She had a problem with alcohol that got out of control while she was a member doing their upper level services. In my opinion, Those around her failed to help her by not getting her appropriate rehab help. She was encouraged to and did go to Scientology’s Narconon drug rehab program, instead of a real program. IIRC, she relapsed soon after returning, gave up thinking she could be helped, resulting in overdosing on something with the alcohol. Laura was a friend of mine when I lived in Los Angeles. She was a lovely, talented and passionate actress and acting coach.
I was so sad to hear of her death, as I am sure you were. Scientology tried to suck up every ounce of money and every moment of her time to try and make her into a scientology they would aporove of. They think ones career should take second place to being a scientologist. I don’t think Laura was able to ever reconcile that conflict. I heard her father was heartbroken. He wanted answers. By the time I had found out, and was able to try to locate where he lived, he’d passed away. No one wanted to talk about what happened except her ex boyfriend who wrote that article. I never liked him when he would come by her house and I was there. I thought he was taking advantage of her emotionally.
She was a wonderful but lonely person as a scientologist. She could never share the fact that art was her passion, a passion that exceeded anything she ever got out of Scientology. Hope this is of some help. Also, do visit our website on the Narconon program. You will be able to see what it is, what it has done to people and what we are doing to shut them down for good. http://narcononreviews.net
Just curious but how many Scientologists work for the LAPD? Strange how nothing ever seems to come to fruition with all these supposed “non” crimes.
Wouldn’t a better question be, ‘who in the LAPD works for Scientology?’
Now that’s the $64,000 question.
Reminds me of the 1997 movie title (great flick btw) ‘L.A. Confidential’.
I was confidential once. But when they started to tickle me, I told them everything.
“I Yawnalot says
Wouldn’t a better question be, ‘who in the LAPD works for Scientology?”
That’s the perfect question. My favorite theory is you need to follow the money, which doesn’t necessarily mean paper money. It can mean who got favors, who doesn’t want others to find out their secrets, etc. It’s almost impossible to believe that anyone who could do something could be so incompetent, or anyone with half a conscience, could overlook what’s so plainly going on in the cult. Just my opinion, but it’s near the top and protected.
God forbid a Scilon raped the daughter/wife/child/sister of an LAPD officer – would they still drag their feet investigating and being chummy with the cult? I wonder if that would change their relationship.
When I was working there many of the top commanders were Mormons.
Very interesting jburtis2013.
Cops used to drink together, party together, and have cook-outs together. At these get togethers every topic imaginable was up or grabs. I mean everything. Since I was once a sociable guy, I never once even caught a rumor that a cop was a Scientologist. If a guy was it would be grounds for ostracism. A Scientologist cop couldn’t afford the costs associated with both worlds. When you examine the police department from the outside a lot of people would say that it’s also cult with it’s teachings based on the California vehicle code (VC), the penal code (PC), the health and safety code (H&S) and the applicable case law governing all three.
jburtis2013, I am not familiar with what you went through but it seems you have had a difficult time yourself. I’m sorry for that and hope that you can get into a better place with it all.
My question to those who were a part of scientology, is it possible that scientology would waive their costs just so they could get someone embedded within the police department?
All cops are wounded. You almost always see people at their worst, you see death and destruction, you find or are dispatched to suicides and accidental deaths, you write tickets to people on their way to work and to appointments making them late and highly annoyed, you arrest foul mouthed drunk drivers, you hear your friends getting killed over the police radio, I passed a cop killer who shot a partner of my roommate’s in jail that very night, and you see your pals going through messy divorces and losing their children. I lost two partners to suicide and another one drank himself to death after he was placed on leave. Another partner watched his wife plunge to her death in a burning PSA jet after it collided with a small plane over San Diego on TV. I was involved in a shooting right out of the academy. One night I reached in a woman’s window to hand her a ticket when she rolled the power window up on my right arm and dragged me down Wilshire Blvd. I finally freed myself and struck the pavement at 55mph, bare headed, ending up in a three day coma at UCLA Med., with a broken neck, brain damage, aphasia and amnesia. I was out of work for eight months. All of us are damaged, some more than others, some crack and some of us make it to retirement while others are fired. It is a tough job and the accolades are too few in number. That’s my story in a nutshell. Now I live in a nice home on six acres in NH in the trees with a spring fed brook with my understanding wife and three laid back dogs. Both my wife and I have been interested in the damage Scientology has wreaked and how those who have escaped have flourished.
Or another version for the LAPD sec check:
“Have you ever refused a ‘donation’ from the cherch of $camology?”
ans: “No”
“Tell me about that.”
Laughter!
” HCO PL 15 AUG 1960 DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
The enturbulence entered into Scientology activities by legal matters, tax matters, and matters of assisting governments to maintain stability, has sapped our time and fixed our attention to our own loss.”
Yo Dave,
You have not seen anything yet. And speaking of fixing yer attention on yer own loss ……….. You can kiss yer ass goodby Davey Poo.
And what is with yer panti waste response on the attack, never defend Dave? Send Jane McNarrin on over next time she is visiting the CSI compound in Tuolumne Dave. We need to catch up on how yer donation of the old stamp mill on yer Lady Washington Mine property is going. Last I heard you wanted to make sure the locals knew just how much you were interested in helping out the local community with a lavish donation.
Of course Jane’s caustic letter to Craig who was donationg his time to help the Southern Tuolumne County Historical Society didn’t create much good will. Not to worry Dave, I filled him in on the gory details of just how warm and friendly yer cult can be.
So I suspect that the damaged roof over the old stamp mill has not been repaired and the old wooden mill drive wheel is likely rotted away by now. Let me know if you still need help Dave. Have Jane call me, she has my number ……………. it’s the same one.
MAA: Danny, Danny, Danny, what are we going to do about your, shall we say, overactive genitalia?
Danny: I could give a big donation to the IAS.
MAA: Now you’re talking!
I don’t think you meant it that way, but EEEWWWW!
Either way it’s a hard proposition. ?
Said the Bishop to the actress.
🙂 Either way, the cult will drain him dry. Ok, sorry 🙂
Even if he’s well hung. ?
Danny: “no, now I’m lying! I’ll need every cent I have for my lawyers”
Yo Dave,
So will you!