This about sums up what scientology sells: The feeling of elation knowing I “helped.”
They have convinced the people inside the bubble that money given the IAS is actually used for good. It is one of the sad truths of scientology that this is a lie.
More money is spent on creating the illusion that scientology (the IAS) is helping than is spent on actually helping anyone. The only real expenditures the IAS makes are the purchase of property — ostensibly to “service parishioners” but as every org on earth is shrinking, there is not a one of them that needs larger premises when most cannot cover their basic utilities costs. They only buy buildings because they have to spend SOME money. They cannot just accumulate hundreds of millions without running afoul of IRS regulations governing exempt organizations.
Apart from buying property, the IAS spends money on two things: 1. to put on events. 2. to fly video teams to shoot the handful of people they might pay to go to hand out Way To Happiness booklets or other token gesture activities.
You have to give credit where credit is due — David Miscavige has created a masterful world of smoke and mirrors (and CGI and staged shots) where people have come to believe that the IAS is “salvaging earth.” It is doing no such thing. It is bestowing phony statuses on people and collecting money. It is a successful scam that scam artists everywhere envy. Because it is not only extremely efficient, it is cloaked in the mantle of religion so is afforded virtual immunity from oversight.
Thus how much money is collected, accumulated and spent is completely opaque. There is absolutely no accounting financially or for any of the outrageous claims made of the good work it does.
Relying on the gullibility of people who cannot bring themselves to believe that the leader of “the most ethical organization in the history of the universe” would lie to them, Miscavige and his IAS leeches suck the blood out of good-hearted people who believe they are doing something to help mankind by handing over their hard-earned cash.
Austin Carroll should be using his money to secure the future of his adorable children. Giving it to the IAS will do no such thing.
They will soon have a new slogan: You are as OT as you can donate to the IAS!
Do you know what? I really dislike the I.A.S. Why? Because they take money from people under false pretenses and claim to be doing humanitarian work with it, and it’s just not true – AND that money, given by well-meaning donors, could actually be going to help needy people if given to a legitimate humanitarian organization.
I just read an article today, where once again, a refugee of human trafficking was helped by a missionary (Christian or otherwise) to flee the oppressors and country where they were held, and helped to start living a free life, get needed medical care, housing, find jobs, funded by the group members donations… the I.A.S. does nothing of the sort.
Where is the accounting of funds by the I.A.S.? Hmmm? Where is it? Where is their funds in/funds spent summary? Where’s the “piechart” of money spent on various things… administrative costs vs. direct aid? In fact, when have they ever given direct aid to people in need? Prove it. Not by photos of people in yellow shirts handing out bottled water that someone else purchased. Show us the receipts. Recount exactly when/where/who and how much was spent.
Answer to the charges that the IAS donations have funded hundreds of thousands in attorney’s fees, paid for private investigators to follow and harass former members, including the Leader’s own father, and paid to hack into former members computers and sift through their garbage and other shady doings. These things have already been discovered. Answer to these allegations, I.A.S. Show where your money goes, how it is spent.
People who give to the IAS, demand an accounting of where your money goes. Or stop giving to them, and instead give to a reputable organization. People in need will actually benefit from your generosity and caring and thank you for it.
We are set free by the force of reason.
We, the collective voice of those once-indoctrinated, the once-deceived, are the wiser voice now.
We are the new leviathan.
We are the beast to devour the deceiver, the predator to devour the monster that goes by the ugly name of
scientology. We thus take back that control of our identity, our wealth and our power. Contemplation of this is for me, security. Contemplation of this is bliss.
And now, raise the chalice high so all can see,
prepare for the entrance of Justice.
Ours and Theirs,
those battle lines “us and them”” drawn by others, not ourselves,
boundaries of imagination built to separate then isolate one from the other,
making us better prey, those lines…
now shall they blur, turn grey and fade and be no more.
So much ado, to make the path again smooth.
This is the clearing.
For Justice is for all as Justice is mine.
The beast within me may yet die, proving the lie of immortality
but not before the crooked idea of scientology demonstrates first
its own demise, very separate from me. This, this for the sake of Justice mine.
I stake my claim.
On the same day I will finally come to know that promised elation.
The Phoenix rises.
Prey becomes the destroyer, the slug a butterfly.
Days lost to misery put behind a new idea, true with the morning sun.
Adorned am I with wings built from all that flies,
Knowing no Truth is ever really denied,
The feeling is elation, having without greed, elation indeed.
Not one more day stolen,
not from me.
Because I say good bye, that’s why, and
I have broken free.
Yes, me too, r. Wonderful, wonderful freedom, living in the real world with real people doing kind things for one another.
you’d be a kick at the party, bug.
“but as every org on earth is shrinking, there is not a one of them that needs larger premises when most cannot cover their basic utilities costs.”
Here’s a plea from one of them that confirms all you said Mike;
“I just worked at Mt. View Org’s new building today, as well as the annex. They have a deadline of June 19th to have all the MEST out of both buildings in order to start their renovations. Help is needed in order to get this phase of the reno’s done so more work can begin. Any time you can put in is needed and will be tremendously appreciated. You’d be surprised what a difference 1-2 hours (or maybe a little more!) can make.
What is going to be created there is going to be outstanding. Help is needed NOW, though. Please call Mt. View Org (650/969-5262) to set up going over there to work. It will be a wonderful, and very needed, help flow–one which you well feel very good about.”
Can’t even pay a moving company????!!!!!
Great article, Mike.
What I donated to the IAS was peanuts compared to what many others gave, yet, it was not what would be generally considered an insubstantial amount. It was money that could have bought a LOT of food for desperately poor people in 3rd world countries, or helped them to get fresh water, or medicines. Or, I could have donated it to any number of other very worthwhile causes and in so doing, truly helped people or animals or the planet. For these reasons I deeply, deeply resent the money I threw down the IAS rat hole, and that phrase can be taken definitively.
You gave that money with good intention. You had no idea what was really happening, as far as I’m concerned that money was nothing short of stolen from you, you didn’t give it to them because you were lied to regarding its purpose. I’d love nothing more than to sue for all of the billions they’ve stolen from well meaning people like you, it makes me so angry.
Patron status is worthless as ethics protection. If anything it makes you more a target of witch hunts and roaming ethics officers with nothing better to do. “You’re a Patron, you need to be doing more! And if you aren’t then it’s your crimes!” “You’re a Patron, so you know the importance of moving up in status by getting a third mortgage. All those other guys haven’t had that cognition, that’s why they aren’t Patrons. You are, so you made the grade. Now you need to make this go right.”
It’s all rather insidious.
Nothing to spread “elation” like the current campaign to hype Battlefield Earth in the Amazon comment section.
But here’s a good way for REALLY sussing out the popularity of a book: Little details, whether anyone is actually reading the book. Check the library catalog.
I just did! For perspective, I live in a very cosmopolitan area which is home to two of the top-ten universities in the country and is highly affluent, innovative and educated. In a system of at least 20 libraries, bookmobiles, etc, there is 1 (ONE) copy of Battleship Earth. Apparently, that is one too many as it sits on the shelf.
Well, perhaps the new cover will spark more interest. After all, it advertises its literary value with a scantily dressed woman in the doggy position. Hubbard would have approved, I’m sure…
There are also 2 copies of Dianetics. Both are owned by university libraries; none in the “public” library system. Both are–you guessed it–sitting on their shelves.
All of this despite the “church’s” concerted efforts to donate books to libraries.
When I looked up “dianetics,” a link popped up offering me two “related interest” books. I could borrow one of 17 copies of Leah’s “Troublemaker.” I COULD if they weren’t all loaned out, not to mention wait-listed. Or I could get one of two copies of Tony’s book. But again, someone else is reading them at the moment.
Todd, I’m going to go out on a limb and say, “Their rollout ain’t makin’ it.”
Thanks Tod.Since I had about 30 pulps from the 40ties and fifties I went through eBay about 15 times to see if I get some money out of them.Composite stats:average lrh items for sale about 4000.Items sold were either 1 2 or 3.After a year I threw them in the recycle bin since the postage was more than anything I could expect to get for them.
2 months later same for the basics,
3 months later old emeters (Mathison, mark 2 1957, azimuth 1961) straight to the landfill.
Be nice to get some reports about the library situation from other places and continents.
I gave my entire Scientology library to a waste paper company – for free. They collected. Fortunately, they took metal and plasic as well so this included all the lecture series I had on tape; and the newer ones on CD including all the basics lectures and ACCs.
It included the full set of OEC vols, HCOBs, admin and tech dictionary, the Data Series pack, the Study tapes, all the course packs, TWTH hardcovers and booklets, posters, courses, – the lot! I stripped everything out of my home, certificates, commendations, ethics chits – all the bits and pieces.
My library was considerable. It is like being over a long term illness.
The feeling of liberation is ongoing.
I’ll check out my public library. I’m due there this week.
so cleansing! The”wasband” (my ex OT8 husband,) made sure to take his materials with him to his mama & dada’s house/ but he took them a week before he left me. I asked what was in the huge duffel bags…Liar, as usual, said: “Some books my mother wants.”
Remember the large colorful books for the “Key to Life” course????? Ha ha! they are confidential, so he was sure to remove them before he left. He is a despicable, dishonest, sneaky, creep; BUT he is OT8!!!!!! (Now i should tell you how i REALLY feel!)
“Austin Carroll should be using his money to secure the future of his adorable children.”
Exactly!
Mike,
The few remaining clubbed seals suffer from these two conditions:
1) Willful Blindness
2) Delusions of Grandeur
I don’t think it’s an either/or.
I’m elated to be done with the cult! All of you still ins, if you dare to look at sanity on this website and others, please, please run don’t walk away! Save yourselves from being saved!
I wouldn’t join staff, I was told “It’s just case!” I refused to give anymore money to anything, and that makes me PTS to the middle class. What an evil genius Hubbard was! There’s an answer for everything! But don’t evaluate! Bull! I’m
Same here. Wouldn’t join staff therefore I was a dilettante. Refused to give any money to the IAS because I had already bought my lifetime membership back in ’74, boy was I hated. And I also was PTS to the middle class cause I had to work a ‘wog’ job for a living. All lunacy at its best.
Yes. And now you’re nattering. Shheesh. Get with the program. You’re either on board fully or you are not. Not one namby pamby group of panity waist delllitantes ever accomplished anything.
The ” namby pamby group of panity waist delllitantes” is pretty obvious these days. And the lot of them are ‘going ideal’!
I went on a ‘panty’ raid once. Does that count for anything?
OSD,
In college, you could have received your degree in the “streaking” fad/craze.
ha! quite humorous you guys! But they are fighting the good fight against Psychiatry..And with all of the recent mentally ill people shooting and stabbing so many innocents; I think we need more Psychiatric drugs and help!
Let the cult say they are taking down a medical, respected, group like the Psychiatrists; it is all more lies to get $$$$ from the schmoes that are “helping the cult.”
You guys are funny!
So Austin Carroll is concerned about the “social decline” he witnesses on TV. Fair enough.
But it raises the question how do these two things, CoS and social decline, relate to each other? For example, has CoS provided politicians or community leaders who have made their community significantly better? Or, better yet, has CoS built homeless shelters, hospitals, schools, support facilities for the aged, drug rehab facilities for those who don’t have money, or even ONE of these?
Finally, is CoS making social and material contributions of ANY kind that reflect this organization’s tremendous wealth? Let’s face it, there are many churches on a shoe-string budget that forgo fancy buildings for the sake of putting their money to work in helpful causes.
Churches also provide spiritual refuge to the hurting. For example, a person can walk into a RCC building any day of the week, and see a priest. The priest will not reg them, or ask them to “put money on account” before they can talk with him. Not to single out the RCC, I know many people who walked off the street into other churches and received spiritual and material help–no strings attached; no “services” to buy. Other organizations, such as 12 Step programs come to mind…
In 65 years of history, when has scientology’s ideology EVER shown itself to make a positive social impact? One that you could “witness on TV,” as that seems to be Austin’s standard. (Oh, scientology has had an impact on TV alright, but that’s been hardly as a positive social force!)
Sure, a few scientologists will tout their “wins” with the same fervor that a Jehovah’s Witness showing up at my door will assert that they are the only ones going to heaven. But how is that having any effect outside of the doors of their clubhouse?
If Austin wants to help reverse the “social decline,” he could offer his help to many organizations that make a demonstrable difference. There’s always room for another volunteer in a soup kitchen or hospice. That failing, his money will be more than welcome, and will be spent to measurable effect and with scrupulous accountability. But giving it to the IAS is about as effective as purchasing a cactus when I’m out of tomatoes.
Isn’t social decline a MEST thing?
Kind of ……………. but it seems to be particularly acute inside the cult.
The humor here is making my day.
Well said Todd and unfortunately accurate. I have a lot of experience with 12 Step programs – both as a D/A counselor and a member – and though it has many detractors and most certainly is not perfect, it is free. 100% free. Pick up the phone and call your local AA/NA hotline and not only will you be able to talk to someone – for free – but will most likely be offered a ride to the closest meeting, also for free.
I mention this not to wave the 12 Step banner but to highlight what you so eloquently stated: “there’s always room for another volunteer”. When was the last time the CoS did anything altruistic without waves of photographers and masses of PR? I’ve been told that the church’s stance is that giving anything away would be “out exchange”. As we say in Georgia “that dog don’t hunt”.
if the CofS wants to charge for their services that’s one thing; it may not be very religious, and those who are paying for services may be getting cheated out of them by the circular money suckage that is now the routine, but whatever. But for them to claim to be a force for societal good and collecting money from their parishioners without actually helping anyone in a tangible way is fraud.
“…has CoS provided politicians or community leaders who have made their community significantly better?”
Sure, there’s that guy in the Nevada legislature – Brent Jones. Jones is the asshole who ripped off Raul Lopez, a man who had suffered a serious brain injury in a bad traffic collision, by selling him ostrich eggs that apparently never existed for $30,000.00.
Brent Jones is a perfect example of a Scientologist, who also happened to become a politician.
Oh, wait, you asked for one who made the community BETTER. Hmm. I can’t think of one. Never mind.
If you look into the future of mankind you will see many scientific discoveries and advancements of the human spirit. But if you project this “frozen” organization into the future you will only see a shrinking organization that is more and more well known as an evil organization based on lies and extortion to get money from it’s hypnotized members.
The ‘elation’ of donating to the IAS is like having the one-night stand and then doing the walk of shame in the morning.
I’ve had many one night stands. But, i never did the walk of shame. I did do the Disco walk of shame once. But, that was really fun…
Pray tell me HOW does a man like DM with such little formal education become such a skilled strategist????
Mike Moretti
Formal education is not a very accurate measuring stick when it comes to ability — there are countless examples of people who have been among the most creative/successful/influential people on earth who had little formal education (at least beyond high school). And converesely, there are a lot of college graduates who appear incapable of fighting their way out of a wet paper bag….
Agreed. Once you have the ability to read, you can teach yourself anything.
I know of at least one very accomplished business man who can’t read. I believe it’s the university of life that is the key thing, not one’s literacy so much. And some people are just bright, have good imaginations, etc.
Hey! I take offense to that, Mike! The wet paper bag I was fighting to get out of, was very tough! Now if it had been a dry paper bag, I could have handled it. But, WET paper bags just don’t give in.
I don’t think Henry Ford even made it to high school.
Mike Moretti, How did “savages” (Crazy Horse & Chief Gall) with NO formal education, even grammar school, out strategize an experienced military officer and West Point Grad?
Innate ability.
Custer was the last in his class at West Point.
So? You don’t know what it takes to make it through at all. I have two relatives that made it through. It is intellectually, educationally and mentally & physically tough to graduate.
At Little Big Horn he first refused to bring the Gattling guns and then he divided his regiment into three units in the face of 20 fold superior numbers.
that’s all very educational, but meanwhile everyone owes it to themselves to hunt down a way to see the French-Italian movie “Don’t touch the white woman!” about Custer’s last stand – but done in a very 1970’s sort of way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Touch_the_White_Woman!
“Inate ability.” Shaka, the Zulu king, is renowned as one of the greatest strategists of all time. He couldn’t read, not one iota.
In one battle, he won a battle with 200 men against 2000 or 20 000, I can’t remember now. He was tatical and his opponents didn’t see it coming.
” El Chappo” has a 3 erd grade education and is the leader of the Sinoloa Drug Cartel
he is a good example, I would ask him.
1) A very specific context (cult + closeness to leadership at the time of its decline)
2) Lack of a conscience
People often think malignant narcissists are smarter than average – this is not necessarily the case.
What they DON’T have is the hindrance of a conscience to keep them from doing things which are repugnant to more empathetic people. This allows them to hone a very peculiar skill set, especially when it comes to manipulate and overpower people. This is not something you can acquire during formal education.
However, this lack of empathy has consequences. It means that they will display a spectacular lack of self insight that renders them incapable of building an accurate model of themselves and others. They get their cues from direct feedback from their actions. Lacking that, they have no way to understand their target’s state of mind, and will try the same things, over and over again, with a fiendish persistence. Even if those things consistently fail.
Because of that failing, they are very observant people – their manipulative schemes depend on it. So when you are close to them and and unaware of what they are, it can feel that they always are one step ahead of you. But if you step back, and stop giving the cues they depend on, or give completely unexpected ones, you’ll see everything fall apart, and you’ll wonder how you could have ever thought that this person was so brilliant.
Dave went from High School directly to The Sociopathic School of Hard Knocks under his mentor and PHD (piled higher and deeper) sponsor Hubbard. Currently, he is being overwhelmed with ‘unexpected cues’. Fun to watch him spin.
Being a bully helps, Kemist. From what I’m observing, Miscavige is not smart at all and is making drastic errors of judgment. He’s making a fool of himself, instead.
I think the idea that DM is a skilled strategist is flawed. If he were truly smart or skilled in any way Scientology would be booming. He is skilled at putting up a facade, maintaining personal power, and controlling people – the skills of a sociopath.
David Miscavige has a criminal mind. He is not brilliant. It is easy to fuck with people if you use hypnosis and threats of damnation in any religion.
David Miscavige is a criminal and even the ole TURD said “Criminal Minds think alike”.
Not a chance. Scamology reached its peak in the mid 70’s. The FACT that it is a scam is why it was falling since then. He has helped push it down faster is all. The internet put the final nail into the criminal scam.
David, let him die, Miscavige is ruthless and cunning. His smarts have been used to forward the dark side’s agenda. If his intentions had been good, just think of the great things he could have accomplished and the good legacy he would then leave behind. As it is now, he will be the face you see in the dictionary when you clear the words, “Sociopath” and “Narcissist” and “SP.”
Christ but this is a good article.
Personally, I get a feeling of release and elation every time I think about the fact that I’ll never have to give that organization one more single solitary dime of my hard earned money.
I got a sinking feeling of dread and sadness looking at the picture of that guy holding his two beautiful children. My thought was, they’ll be given up to the SO where they’ll spend their young lives as a slave, enduring mental torture, intermittent crappy food, sleep deprivation, and perhaps physical abuse. The church now goes after the kids of Scns hard. The only way people now join SO is either they are foreigners who immigrate here based on false promises the SO recruiters make to them and their promise to make it to the “land of milk and honey” and the second generation Scns. That’s the only hope they have of recruiting. With the truth easily found on internet, in books, in expose shows and plays, let’s hope more young kids don’t get roped in.
The ‘Children of the Clams’ serve several purposes. One, blackmail and extortion. Mom and Dad will pay the IAS anything they can so they won’t be disconnected. Two, free labor.
With the number of active drones around 20k and the numbers of Sea bOrg around 4k, how long can the 20k support the 4K? That is one hell of a liability and that doesn’t include no SO ‘staff’. The CO$ is incredibly top heavy and that pyramid may iceberg any day.
“The Children of the Clams.” Not that’s chilling, zemoo. Seriously chilling…..
I think you’re right, Zeemoo. It can’t last long. The kids are used as pawns to extort parents and threaten them with disconnection if they don’t do what they’re told by the church.
I saw a Reverend on TV who does events that attract 30,000 people to it. He easily has way more followers than the 30,000 who show up at his events. Compare that to DM, who is lucky to get 3,000 to show at an event, and of that, probably 1,500 are SO members in civvies who are ordered to show up and fill seats for the photo op. The numbers don’t lie. David Misavige’s rag-tag band of robotic followers is one tenth of what this Reverand’s following is.
Well. That is why people get so mad when they discover the truth. It takes some guts to look back and tell yourself that you spent most of your life helping a criminal organisation. The feeling of treason is overwhelming. Scientology is the most efficient suppressive 1.1 organisation on Earth.
Not really true what you said .. scientology is able to help others .. but surely is true that they fail to deliver it ..
“.. scientology is able to help others .. “Can’t agree with you, Friend.
The “tech” stops thought. It puts an end to critical thinking. Jon Atack, Jeffrey Augustine and Jeff Hawkins have written excellent articles highlighting how it is done. Chris Shelton is another good source for this. He’s great one to assist with thinking out of the scn bubble. One can Google him at Critical Thinker at Large, or something like that.
I hope you’re not offended by what I’ve said. I can’t stand by and do nothing. It’s a fault of mine. It’s interfering, I know. I can’t seem to help myself.
Exactly true alexdevalera. El Con was a violent criminal from the get go. His goal was NOTHING but power & wealth for himself.
“That is why people get so mad when they discover the truth.”
And it’s betrayal of the worst kind.
true; thanks
The IAS keeps D.M. in a lavish lifestyle and real estate empire ( clampire)
To do OT 7 you must be a Patron. a Blue on Blue S.O. ED order written by D.M
makes damn sure this happens.
you do not have to be a patron to get onto and through OT VII. I know this from current connections/experience. You just need the balls to say no and hold that position. (truth be told, you probably pay a fair bit extra in carefully crafted elig questions designed to break you down)
Secretfornow, Yes, but I did receive the blue on white bulletin that was put in ALL Solo Nots folders more than once that we were expected to become Patron or above in our IAS statuses if we wanted to continue on OT VII. Whether they enforced that or not, it was still the expectation.
That’s true, secretfornow, that you do not have to be a Patron of the IAS to get onto or through OTVII. Unfortunately, lots of people fell for it when it was originally pushed, and paid the ‘tax’. When those same people discovered little by little that others were not paying for Patron and were allowed to stay on seven, they felt fooled.
Some people are better than others at saying “no” and holding their position. When it came to saying “Well I’ll have to route off OTVII because I can’t pay or won’t borrow the money” they were allowed to continue as usual. You need to have some street smarts in dealing with money with the church.
In the last several years, things have relaxed a bit with the demand on the OTVII’s, like the routing form was shortened, for example. Flag knows that people are fed up and don’t want to get on the level and some don’t want to continue due to the money constraints. They are trying to make it gentler on people. Really only because they are forced to now.
Did y’all catch the video on Tony’s blog? Those two elderly Scientologists at the event are perfect examples of Scientology think and behavior. Not one SHRED of actual real communication. All completely insulting and moronic comm from these alleged “aware” beings. The old lady was particularly despicable, acting like an imbecile as she dramatized “fair game” in the only way she could, by acting like an attacking grinning idiot of a biddy … (and complete bitch if I may be so bold as to say so) … yeah, some advertisements these two were for the higher level being one is in Scientology … oh, yeah, quite an advertisement that will be kept alive on the internet … ha ha ha ha … I love it
That old biddy is Sheila Chaleff. She has been around forever and never amounted to anything. She is a very low level person in OSA.
Low level and you can see why, with her useless actions of sticking a phone in people’s faces. What’s that going to accomplish? When she gets into blaming Phil Jones for not handling his daughter properly, and causing the disconnection? Well, here I concur with Joe. Sheila went into bitch mode.
The next video is the Channel 2 news coverage of the event. They do about 1:40 and then, “let’s move on to…Amber Heard.” Telling what they thought of the crashed spaceship, smoke and sound effects show going on live.
Yeah, Sheila is sent out because nobody knows who she is. So when she looks like a blathering idiot she isn’t readily identifiable. They learned their lesson with Tommy Davis I guess. He acted like a complete idiot and everyone identified him as a scientology spokesperson. She has been in the “PR” Bureau of OSA Int since its creation in the early 80’s. She was married to Ira Chaleff many many years ago. I think her maiden name is MacDonald.
Yes, MacDonald is her maiden name. In the early 90’s she did a tour as a garrison CO OSA UK, but got removed when the UK “attackers” and national news papers went out of control. Funny thing about her is that she looks the same now as she did then, always with the grey hair.
True that. She does look the same as when I first met her sometime in the 80’s…
Maybe she is a replicant. Or a Markabian spy ?!! She was already on the GO, near a bitch like Jane Kember. They both could be my mother and I am over 60. But when I was on my 20, your’re right Mike, she was exacty alike.
Very good start for an SyFi movie. Near my mother house, on the 1960, a guy was selling ice cream. He was looking sort of fifty years old. I was around 10. I was buying ice cream from him.
About 40 years later, the same guy was there, selling ice cream, we looked about the same age… so strange !
I’m embarrassed that they were Scots….
Hi Mike, Sheila Chaleff that name echoes in my head for some reason,none of it good.Thank you for your spot-on piece.Those children are so innocent and adorable.The parents who still blindly follow David to the edge of The IAS Cliff and those who have no more $ to give,he then helps them over the edge with a good shove.How parents can allow cos to steal their wallets,their minds,their souls and their kids,it breaks my heart.Thank you for continuing to expose the truth of this cult.IAS is the worst scam going today but to David he is rolling all the way to the bank.Disgusting!❤️❤️
Sheila Chaleff was Jane Kembers BFF would scream
we will hammer and pound them (or him or her) as head of soco GO.
about 6 times an hour everyday from 9 am to 10 p,m.
Hi Jose,
Just one question…. Why? Why would Lady Macbeth scream that way?
Boy oh boy is it going to be interesting to see her in 10 years…
Sheila would be set off by just about everything that crossed her plate good or bad.
Staff attesting to Clear drove her scary raving nut”s, desire to be an auditor,etc.
Psychs electro shocking some one in Europe every 15 minutes,Sheila would
stare out a window and go back to shuffling papers.( no reaction)
I remember her doing exactly the same thing with a somewhat bulkier camera back in 1985 in LA. Can she really have been doing the same thing for more than 30 years?
Thirty years? She started sticking things in people’s faces during the Inquisition!
I say this as someone who worked in Scientology for 35 years and had wins most of the time, and I realize I am indicting myself to some degree here … but … folks who stay in the church of scientology have to comprise the absolute stupidest and most gullible small group of humans on Earth. (and believe me, there are a LOT of stupid and moronic groups on this planet).
Way to go Joe P! You are so correct in your assessment of things! We’re getting down to the ones that remain are so brainwashed they are not able to benefit from the fruits of their own observation. And I also have had wins in Scn and hope not to be pounced upon by readers here eager to pound the wins out of me and get me to recant. For myself, I prefer the live and let live mind set.
Cindy, I don’t think you will find readers here who are eager to “pounce on you and pound the wins out of you and get you to recant”. It’s been my experience that this is a good discussion site with posters who are generally respectful of others and accepting of people’s experiences in Scientology regardless if they have had the same experience or not. Mike Rinder sets an honest and thoughtful tone, encourages discussion, and does minimal to no censure or censoring. The posters generally follow suit and approach with a similar attitude. We have a social element too, but it’s not exclusionary or denigrating of others. 🙂 – T.J.
In other words, we’re a nice bunch o’ folks. yay. 🙂
Great explanation of why so many of us come back daily, respect and compassion even in the face of differing opinions make this a safe but informative place. I like it!
“Respect and compassion even in the face of differing opinion…”
Very well said, jmth.
Joe, It took a long while to figure it out one way or another but I had wins too or I would not have stayed 35yrs. Were the wins real? Of course they were. And on Solo levels I learned to for once pay attention to myself and my own intuitions. Too bad I didn’t do that already but nope even when a kid – I was busy pleasing everyone else for whatever reason. I don’t anymore. Likely even those wins helped get me out of scientology more then keep me in. But they also got me ‘out of’ some other stuff that was nasty even b4 scientology. Anyway if one can leave and take with it a few wins here and there then good for you 🙂
I can’t think of many wins except that I grew tough. After being attacked, robbed (unending pay, pay, pay), made wrong, snubbed, rumoured about, labelled, etc, I became tough and able to stand on my own two feet. I’ve mainly stood on my own too feet but prior to this, I could be sensitive. I’m cured. In scientology, no one defends you, there’s no one in your corner. Isolation is the name of the day.
I realise that I sound bitter but, really, I’m not. I am a bit intolerant of people who still punt the tech as the answer to life’s problems but I’m dealing with that.
Don’t entirely agree.
Under undue influence, yes. Stupid would indicate that they had a way to make informed choices. Being in a cult is all about not making informed choices.
I’m not saying that clams don’t do stupid things, but these are not the same people they were before they entered (or will be after they leave).
Check out Jon Atack’s “opening minds: the secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing” for a more informed discussion of undue influence.
The elation I felt saying no to IAS reges felt better than saying yes everytime!
The COS has lost my respect and the respect of millions and will implode into a steaming stinking pile of Daveshit.
Get out before you loose everything!!!
The transformation from a commercial enterprise that sold services for money to a ripp-off organization that sells lies for money is complete. There is no redeeming value to this organization.
The scam leader used also another smokescree: multiplying the number of “services” so as to have scientology magazines filled of very long lists of “attestations”. When one looks them a bit more, many names appear many times on “services” asking probably half a day , particularly when these “services” have been forced onto OTVIII with 40 years of Professional scientology behind them! I’ve seen such names in the last Source mag I got (march 2016)
When my 2 sons were involved with the cult and even though making no money on staff and barely above minimum wage in their normal jobs, they were constantly harassed to donate to the cult. Even though I had to be UTR keep from losing them, I would ask them “why would you ever donate to a church worth $3 billion when you aren’t making enough money to live on your own?” That would be like donating money to Apple or Bill Gates.
I now have gotten one son back and he informed me that they made him borrower money from rich cult members that he then donated to the tune of over $60,000. He is still apparently responsible for that debt although I recommend bankruptcy and telling them to stick it.
The other son changed his phone number and moved over a year ago, just before we were declared, so I have no idea how much they scammed out of him.
I wouldn’t donate the sweat off of my left n*t to that scam cult. Why? So that midget can buy another $10,000 suit?
Just think how wonderful DM will look in an orange prison jumpsuit.
And….once again, with a cellmate named Bubba.
It’s a tough pill to swallow once you get an inkling of betrayal and of course instantly add up in your head what that cost. I was on LOA from SO in Dec 2004 when the epic tragedy tsunami spread death across Asia.
I was selling my property I’d purchased with another Scientologist because he was found to be molesting my daughter. Any other church chaplain would have ordered him to sell his part to me at cost but no I had to sell. So I paid my Patron thinking of course it went to help.
Then there’s the 100 hrs of NOTS (I was refused staff rates) and of course leaving staff sec check I’d never gotten when I was kicked out in ’96. So there went 150K which isn’t much compared to others. But it still hurt. I gave the remaining hrs of ‘NOTS’ which in fact was a sec check and your not clear crap to my X and just got the h-e-l-l out of dodge. What ever one has given just get out of there – it will be worth it. The IAS won’t live long on it’s stolen funds (especially with guys like Jeff A around). DM will not achieve happiness at the rate he is going. That is enough for me to leave it alone.
I now live on SS having left my scientology clients behind but it’s not to bad. I spend less and appreciate more. All these guys will work it out themselves. Us that were conned obviously needed the lesson. I requested a refund from the IAS but was told to send proof the funds were not spent as promised. LOL The ‘I GOT IT’ ack was appropriate in this case and I have moved on.
“Us that were conned obviously needed the lesson.” Cece, I see so little of that on any of the anti-scio boards. It is so true and quickly wipes away tons of charge. I called it “taking responsibility for my actions.” Was I conned? Yes. Whose judgement was conned? MINE! Who is the only one who can take responsibility for being conned? ME. To blame Hubbard and/or Miscavige for my decisions and my actions is to give away still more personal power.
Hubbard paid a dreadful price for his actions. Sick, essentially alone, drugged, in pain, without family… Ugh! I’d pay 10x over to avoid that kind of ending. Miscavige is yet to pay his price. But don’t ever believe he’s “happy” with all his money and adulation. He despises those who hold him up, so of what value is their adulation? He, too, is ALONE. He trusts no one, he’s abandoned even the concept of “family”, he dare not go out in public ANYWHERE. He’s terrified of lawsuits, terrified of the outside world, the one he cannot control. Lobb shoes, terrified servants, armed guards, false stats…this is LIVING? Not by any stretch of the imagination. And by far the worst of all, NO LOVE ANYWHERE IN HIS LIFE, inbound or outbound. More than physically, he’s a very “little” man, without humanity, joy, happiness, family, children or anything else of human value.
I’m blessed I’m out…long ago. And I hold all who post here in great admiration for taking their own steps to leave the false dream. Bless you, too, Cece.
WOW MAN BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN SO SAD BUT HE BUILT THAT WORLD FOR HIMSELF
The gman77, It’s truly the only way to view it and be happy. We made mistakes in our past with the education we had at the time. Now we are more educated and can understand the great lessons and years of sadness in most cases. I’m so glad you and so many got out and are speaking out. The speaking out part is essential to healing I believe. I mean don’t we all want others to experience our wins?
I would not be out if Amy Scobee hadn’t cared enough to write her book and a dear friend had not cared enough about me to make sure she sent me a copy.
I’m pretty sure I’d still be in some oblivion of confusion still trying to do confusion up to normal. I even have my Ca map on my bathroom wall with pins in all the places I’ve been LOL.
Anyway point is I think most all will leave as most came for spiritual freedom and they can’t kid themselves about that forever. It takes as long as it takes and boy does it feel good to be older and wiser. Take care and keep speaking out with us 🙂
Excellent comment GMan
OT: Obviously showing my ignorance…but how on earth does ANYONE in the S.O. have enough $$ to not only buy property but to spend $150K on services? I got in at 19yrs old.. left in 1982.. and it’s be a tough row to hoe since then. I applaud those who have become affluent/wealthy after leaving…just can’t figure it out. But that’s neither here nor there to this post.. just made me wonder.. again..how so many became successful and found/created the wherewithal to establish businesses, become well known and very affluent, etc…. Cece.. I also am surviving pretty much on SS. BUT.. I am living where I choose to live, with people I choose to be with, doing what I love and am enjoying what I have created. Can’t ask for much better than that. :0) Cheers.
Madge, Yes what you have now is worth millions ~ good for you. After 20 years of SO I was kicked out. I had good credit so borrowed to get an apartment, computer and support my kids and start a business. I was VERY trained in LRH finances and worked with scientologists for all those years so was well known at it which made it easy to get clients. After 4 years I had enough for down payment on property with 2 houses. (2000 when property was just back on it’s way up). I needed another due to my self-income not supporting the ‘income property’ 2 houses. When I sold I made some 150 more then I’d paid so paid back CCs I’d used for IAS and NOTS plus enough left over to live on for a few years. I bought a GTRV and lived in it for 2 years to get out of Hollywood. Now I have a 5th wheel and truck fully paid for. I have no more husband of 24 years and am missing 2 of my children but the freedom and wisdom is well worth it. Life is good 🙂 Glad to hear you are doing well too. Hugs 🙂
The happiness you have now is real Cece, the wisdom of the “ex’s” here inspires me, thanks ?
“Now I have a 5th wheel and truck fully paid for.”
there are tons of people with the same set up who didn’t spend their lives in the S.O. It can be a very good set up as you are not tied to a physical location and 5th wheels are large when you consider one person or, even a couple. Lots of retirees do the 5th Wheel or RV + small tow car.
Cece says – great posts; and same to the answering ones. Yes, the freedom to live where you want to, be with whom you want to be with, do what you want to and so on, is worth more than gold.
So glad you’re out Cece! You now have your old life back! You can do whatever you want to do.
You went through a lot of shit. But, it sounds like you’ve got a pretty good life now! And, really, that’s the most important thing. I celebrate your freedom with you!
Hi Cece, Thank you for your post.It is F###### Hard to leave any part of cos to return to the world with all it’s situations and problems.But you have helped me along the way and no matter the material struggles those who left may have to go through,you are Free and you are Out and I love that I can read your comments right here.I salute you.XO
Thank you Ann. You too! OMG the struggles we have all gone thru. 10 years ago I though I was the only one. Now there are so many of us that have come out with souls intact pretty much and with the wisdom to know what is truly important in life which is not what is focused on in the SO or S. I go ‘shopping’ for flowers and sticks and rocks and make art stuff out of it. I’m having a time of my life for free IAS, OSA, DM, my X ~ you are missing the boat and getting older. Take the great leap now 🙂
Hi Cece, I cannot remember s###! Saw your post here and lost it and found it again! Whew! I echo exactly what you wrote thinking you were the only one shouting to the winds.I felt like that for years and it was only when I ventured onto this blog,I could finally exhale and say I am not alone.XXOO
“…to return to the world with all it’s situations and problems…”
For me the “situations and problems” were what I was faced with my entire time in scientology. Out here, I don’t have any real situation or problems! And, I’m not lying or exaggerating.
Hi Dawn, Thank you for your comment.I agree.I think I was comparing my Sea Org View of the world where all is tied up in the gigantic bow of Ron/David forever-to the feeling of rushing fear of the wog world,when I took my first step out of the SO.Always
Thank you OSD 🙂
We all need to support each other…
Cece, you are not alone. Life is always better on the outside, even if you’re living on SSI. You’re so right, money doesn’t buy happiness and you’re better off leaving it behind to get out of Dodge. I left a lot of money in the coffers of the CoS too. Yeah, I think about it but then I think of where I am today, and it’s always a brighter picture. I’m grateful for that, and for you too.
Poor sucker. No doubt the IAS will return to help him feel more elation. That will continue until he is financially ruined or he is forced to take a hard stand against the regges and is made to feel he is an enemy. Money given yesterday doesn’t count for anything. The elation will leave and the feeling of being betrayed and used will replace it. Welcome to Scientology.
True that, Mat. Austin has served himself up for love bombing galore, and then scorn. He is the top Kleenex in the box to be used and discarded.
We used to joke at home that when you donated to handle the latest, greatest “emergency”, and then when you saw the reg or person who regged for it you the next day, they wouldn’t even know your name. You are…who? This is not true, but it was our way of saying that money you donate today means nothing tomorrow. You will be brazenly asked for money again, and in the very near future. Lots of it too, depending on your previous donations and what the regges know about your finances.
Mat Pesch: If I may ask you a question: Are credit reports run on parishioners without their knowledge or consent? I have a strong suspicion that this was done on me and my spouse by the CoS, and believe I have the evidence to back it up.
I don’t know if you can answer this, but if so, I would really like to know. Thank you.
In case Mat doesn’t answer – I worked near AOLA reg lines years 77-96 and never saw a credit report run. I saw cases of regs calling the CC company and upping the limit and all sorts of other things. Your credit report should say who requested it. I can see a reg doing this because it would show any credit accounts you were keeping (god forbid) hidden from them.
Thanks, Cece.
I worked on the reg lines at the FSO for 2 years and I never saw a reg run a credit report. They do use the public persons auditor, FSM (Field Staff Member), friends, Scientology family members, etc to gather as much personal and financial information as possible in order to extract as much money as possible. This is all done in the name of helping the individual who is paying the money, of course….
“at every event when a Scientology success is shared, I get a feeling of elation” – more like a feeling of “THANK GOD i’m not being called out for not giving money!!”
That’s all it has ever sold, really. It is just now they have “cut to the chase” with those that have been thoroughly inculcated to the idea of “wins” in place of actual results. (which scamology couldn’t ever deliver)
In other words, the scam has been streamlined. G.A.S. (Golden Age of Scamology)
Looks like we need to set Wikipedia straight. I just looked at their definition of the IAS and they think that these guys are actually doing good things.
No, those entries were posted by scio, not any outside source.
Not much out much info on Austin. From http://www.truthaboutscientology
Austin Carroll PURIFICATION RUNDOWN
Celebrity 335
2001-12-01
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Austin Carroll Sponsors Impact 114
2006-09-01
Wonder if there is any connection with the Carroll brothers from Australia who were running with the fuel additive scam in the early nineties.
The cultie gets a high in doing certain things — like donating or attending “events” — and mistakes that euphoria for something real that has value. Big part of the trap.
Scientology – exploiting humanities “help button” and destroying it since 1950.
L Ron Hubbard was a criminal con man who created a group that turns normal, compassionate people into robots that hurt themselves and others for a delusional concept of “getting cleared of insanity and criminality” whilst lying, using deceipt and manipulation to financially ruin themselves and others, destroy relationships and shatter dreams .
Scientology creates robots and criminals.
If a member does not take on the valance of being evil – they succumb to being a robot and destroy themselves slowly or quickly.
Scientology reveals character defects hidden deep inside. If you are OUT and doing something about this con scam – you have good morals and integrity.
If you are in Scientology and supporting this evil group after witnessing the “outpoints” – one would have to wonder if you are sadistic and evil.
Wow — you don’t mince words do you Wog!
Re: “If you are OUT and doing something about this con scam – you have good morals and integrity”
Thank you, Wognited and Out, thank you!
Fred G. Haseney aka JennyAtLAX
Wognited and Out, I like forthrightness in speech. You’ve said it exactly as it is. It’s all true.
Remember the movie The Blob starring Steve McQueen. The despicable alien entity came to earth to consume any and all living things. The IAS regs are human embodiments of the blob. They consume everything in their path and will bankrupt the most trusting soles if given a chance, to leave them consumed and assimilated and mindless piles of red protoplasm.
The only way to stop the Blob was to freeze it. The effective way to stop the IAS is to freeze and immobilize it by exposing its continual lies.
Thanks Mike for continuing to hammer the Blob appendage of Scamotology. “The only game where everyone sins.”
As a kid I loved that movie. Thanks for mentioning it. (BTW, good analogy, too.)
I remember that film too. Was it late 50s or early 60s that it came out?
1958
Blob trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdUsyXQ8Wrs
“The only game where everyone sins.” Beautiful!!!