Here is an email and promotional piece WISE just sent out.
The masters of administration are STILL operating in the dark ages — selling BOOKS that are “fully indexed” and contain “glossaries” and not even a MENTION of a soft-copy version that would be searchable. What better index could there be than “control F”? And, newsflash, you can click on a word on the computer (or your phone) and it will be defined for you!
But of course, you couldn’t charge $1350 for a flash drive or a downloadable file.
WISE thinks they are the bleeding edge of administrative technology. All the poor “wogs” out there don’t have the genius technology that they have which will save the world if the fools would just get smart enough to know what they are missing (it’s suppressed by Big Pharma, except for Bob Duggan’s Big Pharma which is good Big Pharma…)
You want to bet these books include references on using telex and mimeograph machines?
Of course, as you can see at the end, if you attend the convention you can get a 15% discount.
This is in reference to the “monumental” and “epic” US WISE Convention.
They have been touting this convention for months, repeating over and over the milestone news that the convention would be graced with the presence of Big Being Bob Duggan.
And the first results are in.
After day one of the epic event, these are some seriously [not] RAVE results….
Honestly, if this is the best they could do, they should have just made some shit up.
Re: WISE West U.S. <wisewestus@wise.org>
To: SteveJobs at apple.com
Day 1 of the American WISE Convention!
From: WISE West U.S. <wisewestus@wise.org>Dear Steve,
Here are a few successes from Day 1 of the American WISE Convention.
“Patrick gave me info that I can start using right now!”
“I feel I can better connect the dots on expanding or solving areas that are not expanding…”
“…[we] made our ROI for this seminar as [its] worth the investment…”
“I loved every speaker. [I] learned so much I cannot tell you on this one page.”
“I was very impressed with all of the presenters/speakers and how they are all applying LRH tech and are all successful. Very informative and useful data!”
There’s still time! Come to the Marriott Burbank Airport. Its going great!
Sincerely,
Sakhi Guma
Executive Director
WISE Western United StatesReally looking forward to seeing some shots of the turnout — you already know the order of magnitude as this is not being held at the LA Convention Center like Amway or Herbalife…
Hi Shadow, Please forget my first post,those IPad Gremlins are running wild.Ann.
If Admin Tech works, why all the urgent calls for volunteers to help filing all the PAPER files that need to be re-filed????
Business model of a 1950’s dentist’s office…..
Mike you are a total 100% dick.
Always good to know my work is appreciated. 🙂
Well you know what they say…there’s only three kinds of people in this world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA
In which David gets a load off his chest.
I wondered how Mike got such a hot spouse! 😉
Well the thing about dicks – expansion is inevitable.
Well, so is contraction. It’s cyclic…
Another round of yawns to further weigh down heavy lids. Rather than Sakhi Guma, I’d prefer to watch Raj, on Big Bang Theory! At least there, you can be stay awake with a couple of good laughs. 🙂
The Church of Scientology itself is incontrovertible evidence that LRH Admin Tech is ineffective, at best, potentially destructive at worst.
And so, too, is WISE. They are supposed to be the experts of Admin Tech. Yet look at the state of WISE Itself after 40 years. The Church may be shrinking, but it still has a visible existence. WISE barely does exist after all these year.
In the same vein, the actions and words of Scientology leaders, staff and devoted members, are pretty compelling evidence that Tech (Red Vols) is not as workable as claimed. They are the living examples of immersing themselves in Scientology and its biggest advertisement.
Back to WISE for a moment, a few years ago, I routed out of the SO and, I suppose, to keep me in the fold, I was lined up with a job at a WISE company. I was taken on as an independent contractor. Then I was contacted by WISE and told that I must (must!) get a WISE membership because I was technically self-employed as an independent contractor. I utterly ignored the dictate of course.
A wise decision.
Disagree. The problem with Scn is not the tech but the bumbling “application” of it. You have to be blind to not see how screwed up things have been. I’ve seen for myself how sessions are botched and left uncorrected, how admin tech is used to justify insanity, and how even simply written stuff in subject to just wild “interpretations.” And if you think today Co$ is somehow “applying tech” you really haven’t been reading, or you’ve had a few too many over the weekend.
I get really sick and tired of screw-ups blaming LRH for their own miserable failures.
You think Scn is the only place in the world where things get screwed up? Apple was in serious trouble for years because they deviated from the insight and goals of its founders. Only when Jobs returned, did it get back on track, and since then, boomed. (Did they “blame Jobs” for creating “flawed computers’ and “bad management?”) Screws-ups happen all over the place, all the time, and people get in and get dirty and fix them. But oh, no – not with Scn! No, no. With Scn, everyone is perfect except for LRH who screwed up.
You want to find the “real why?” Go look in the mirror.
Damn.
Silly comment, especially your second last sentence. You don’t know this person or what they have done or not done.
I had written a long response to you about this flawed logic of KSW 1 — the tech is perfect, it’s just the application that is at fault, but computer gremlins ate it….
Not going to bother retyping it as it is probably a waste of time.
Just think about this. NO org has continuously expanded since the start of scientology. Not even over a few decades. Had they, the org would be enormous by now. Why is this? Orgs have Qual — the great breakthrough from the “wholestrack” as to why earlier civilizations only lasted a few billion years. They have ethics to find the SPs, the only way orgs can be stopped. They have the Data Series, the only reason orgs don’t expand — wrong whys. etc etc
If the reason orgs don’t expand is solely because of misapplication then it means scientology will only succeed on a perfect planet, not this one. And how shortsighted is this — LRH was the one that discovered everyone on planet earth is aberrated and has a reactive mind. So if the flaws of humans are not taken into account then it’s not very clever. Way less clever than the invention of broadcast TV which happened around the same time but because it really does work, could not be impeded by the imperfections of man.
There you go again Mike with your logic. ?
Nickname, I’d love to hear your argument presented dispassionately. As it stands it’s an appeal to emotion, not to analytical thought. You’re angry and I feel for you. It’s the opposite of having a good time.
Mike –
You’re right, I don’t know SadStateofAffairs, much less what he has done or has not done. And I understand that you defend your friend, but I do not understand your politics, so I guess I’ll try not to post five times to every single topic.
I have no problem with Scn tech. I have no problem with the philosophy. I have no problem with gains from correctly done auditing. And I’m not going to sit around and question sanity just because someone else, who has never shown me any logic of their own to impress me otherwise, nevertheless tells me it is insanity, and cannot even begin to ‘prove’ that.
I too have the right to defend those I consider my friends, and I have a right to stand up for what I know is correct – if I choose to.
If you saw a reasonably healthy individual in reasonably good condition in life, making plans to jump off a cliff and die, would you try to stop him, even if you did not know him? I see people casting a bit of doubt here, a bit of suspicion there, a little innuendo, then a lie, then a lot of lies … and I see people begin to question what they thought was correct, and question what is in fact, correct. Gains become “some improvement.” Workable becomes “parts of it are beneficial.” Eventually, lies become “truth.” Two plus two becomes three, or five, or something, but not four. A car crashes into a tree, so the driver blames the car, or the tree. There are police reports that are hilarious, e.g. “I was driving along fine until a tree jumped out in front of me!” The tech works just fine, and delivers exactly as promised, if used correctly, but to say that makes one a “KSW-banger” or a “fundamentalist.” Yeah … one of them bigots, you know, the wrong people.
To me, an individual’s personal integrity is the most valuable thing he has. The comfort of agreements is no substitute for truth. So I wish you and everyone here your integrity, and the truth – however it may find you.
SadStateofAffairs –
Sorry if my reply to you was un-auditor-like. Isn’t it a bit over the top to chisel away at Scientology because it has been misused, and that misuse has yielded poor results? The simple fact is that there has never been anything better, there is such a thing as the truth, there are such things as answers, and if used correctly, Scientology does deliver as promised. That has been my experience with it. I too have experienced the “disruption” of being on the receiving end of misuse of it, and that stirs up a lot of charge, but that too, can be fixed.
At this point, I can only say I try to allow everyone to express their views as long as they are not abusive. Glad you are here with yours.
Worthless Information Seriously Expired – WISE
If I had a business proposal presented and learned WISE was involved = LOL and go find someone who’s serious about making money.
It’s been widely documented that “source” plagiarized most of his “research.” Recent research suggests that WISE principles were first discovered by one Don Corleone!
Except, El Con thought the Don was too much of a softie: Why deliver real goods such as prostitutes or drugs, when you can sell illusions. Why have mob soldiers when you can have sea org slaves–for a billion years. Why settle for horse heads, when you can take away their whole family through disconnection.
I think, Mike Rinder and all of you glorious SP’s – this is what LRH refers to PTS Type III
“Stuck in an incident of long duration”
Hi Idle Morgue, Loved your post! Always Ann.
It’s incredible. These insane criminals have to sell their frauds on paper because they have a large, otherwise worthless printing facility that manufacturers books — books and shit nobody wants but, well, if they actually joined the 1980s technology, their worthless printing equipment would be sitting doing nothing, nothing at all.
It’s twice amusing because these insane crooks are *trying* to sell their frauds on line but obviously can’t because anybody who is on line is already well aware that Scientology is an unworkable fraud.
And so the insane crooks continue to print crap, all of which ends up in land fills.
It’s just so bizarre.
If Scientology Admin “Tech” had been concocted in the Middle Ages, today the church would still be using scribes to manually copy over each Hubbard word, letter by letter in prescribed calligraphic style.
Fundraising would be needed to keep securing more monk-slaves to continue the tedious work and expand the production rate.
The printing press (Johannes Gutenberg in the West, Bi Sheng in the East) would be derided as “wog” technology that would doom an organization to failure.
Of course, when an SP monk-slave calligrapher made the slightest error they would have to be made an example of, and all the affected texts would have to be redone — and resold.
Dang! I was so hoping that the email had really been sent to Steve Jobs, who dropped his body a few years back. I fell for it, like Victoria. Hubbard Business/Havingness College is such a joke. Talk about an empty building and empty endeavor. I recommend Angry Gay Pope’s video of his visit to said college. It’s hysterical and proves how EMPTY and hollow is so much of the El Con Blubbard empire.
12 volumes on how To run your business…into the ground.
A fully staffed Org Board paid a living wage would crash and burn any business.
I worked at a WISE business where there there were 12 administrative staff for a production staff of 32. Four of those were bosses. Besides the fact that everyone was doing the same thing and getting frustrated when they found out what they had just spent hours doing the same thing someone else was doing, the overhead was outrageous.
When the owners finally laid off the good admin staff and kept the 4 bosses, they still crashed and burned because they were trying to run their business using WISE.
Here’s a tip. When you spend more time trying to figure out how to run your business than doing business, It. Will. Fail.
The Org board is run like the Government. Spending other people’s money foolishly, no one knows what others are doing and stat driven life drives people and customers and admirers away…
It was implemented to confuse people
No one knows that the Registrar had to get their stats up so they bankrupted a poor sap to obtain their goal. The poor sap is caved in – and the D of P or D of T thinks “he is a no case gain” PC, has an MU or is an SP.
This Keeps Scientology Working very nicely when they can hide their crimes behind the Religious Cloak.
I wouldn’t so quick to judge the Organizing Board. It still is applicable for Communist Banana Republics.
“It was really good…really”
“I am speechless”
“I got data I can use right now, instead of data that requires me to wait three months”
“I can’t tell you how much I learned…no really, I have no idea”
“I learned to connect dots”
“…and the glossary – where have you been all my life?”
“Our ROI was DOA”
I’ve always been a big fan of dictionaries and glossaries, but Hubbard’s (and Scientology’s) obsession with looking up word definitions is very absurd and misplaced. It’s an extreme example of substituting shallow effort for real understanding, simplicity for complexity, pablum for steak.
There’s ‘s no business like Wise business like no business I know
Everything about it is revealing, everything the real stats will allow
Nowhere could you get that empty feeling when you are stealing that extra chow
There’s no people like Wise people, they smile when they should blow
Even with a turkey that they know will fold, they keep on making those claims so bold
Still they’d be ecstatic to take all your gold, let’s go on with the show
It was nice of Grant Cardone to let them use a pic of his plane (and possibly the top of his head) for their flier. I’ll bet he charged them for it. 🙂
I don’t know why, but the fact that this person denigrates Amway and Herbalife while selling bullshit out of an airport Marriott is making me giggle. Pot meet kettle. MLM scams meet Cult.
That was me comparing this to Amway and Herbalife
Bahahaha! You got me on that one Mike, that went right over my head. Sorry about that, I thought it was part of the email. 😀
Sakhi is STILL in the Game. Man. That is just astounding. Good to see he is just quoting others and not using his tremendous talent as a writer to lure people in. And soooooooo fancy having it at the Marriott Burbank Airport. Wowie zowie. Top shelf all the way for WISE.
Twelve big volumes of raw material when distilled to its essence leaves you with a pamphlet of bad business advice and a way to wash your windows with newspaper.
You know I understand the whole brainwashing/high pressure sales thing……..but I can’t help but think that anyone who pays $1350(!) for BOOKS (!!!!!) that are not rare first editions of actually readable, enjoyable, worthwhile material, kind of deserves what they get.
People like the Cardones, Duggans and Cruise. But no doubt those people would get their copies ‘gratis’ because of their big-beingness.
Big-beingness translates into free havingness.
Yes, beingness is above havingness except when you have no money. I guess Jesus wouldn’t make it in this church.
WISE
1. Witless Institute of Stupid Entrepreneurs
2. Worst Investment Strategy Ever
This guy is emailing STEVE JOBS?
I don’t get it.
Hasn’t he heard the news?
Or is he emailing Steves thetan, tone forty, and assuming his communication will somehow arrive in the theta universe?
And it’s good that he “R-factored Steve on the fact that this is not at all like Amway or Herbalife. LOL.
That was a joke to protect the identity of the person who sent this to me
Mike,
That’s another thing that Scientology lacks.
A sense of Humor on the smallest joke or imagined slight.
Good on you !!
Speaking of Steve Jobs, isn’t it amazing that he was able to build Apple without the miracles of Admin Tek? Just imagine what he, Apple,Google, and Amazon could have done or could do with a WISE consultant and a set of OEC volumes and the Management Series? Think how much it would change the morale of their companies?
Antiquated, Obsolete, sadly outdated.
The whole World is connected with cutting
edge technology, so who and where is the market
for this stone age leftovers.
OSA. Obsolete, Sadly Outdated, Antiquated.
OSA – Omnivorous, Sadistic, Antediluvian.
Hi MM,Absolutely love this!XO Ann.
Thanks Ann. OSA, you reading this?
Thar you go again, Michael! Using dem big fancy 75 cent words! It hurts me because you KNOW I’m jess a 10 cent type of guy…
I never quibble over 65 cents. ?
Sorry to be begging again to be included in the loop, but, are these the “New OEC” vols.?
Probably a secularized version of policies. Although there are only a handful of concepts (that are well known and in use for at least a century) in the OEC Vols that would be of use in real business.
A few decades ago I remember some ex-GO criminal (a guy named Heldt) who was talking about producing such a derivative work.
Hi John Locke, For some reason Heldt rings something in my head,perhaps I read a comm with his name on it,Nothing good comes with those types- Thank you for giving more info
on OEC Vols..I was about to start all that too when the fun & games GOI gave me a call.I had bought all of anything Ron wrote in the SO so I had all the volumes & had gone thru a lot myself in the hallway of the H’wood Inn when my five roomies were bugging me.Always Ann.
Ann — Henning Heldt was the Deputy Guardian US and one of the people convicted of burglarizing the US Govt. MIght be why his name rings a bell.
Hi Mike,Thank you.That bell rang most loudly!Always Ann.
Dang, I was in the GOUS (for 6 mths) and GOWW (for 2 yrs) and don’t recall his name, but then I was just a files clerk in PR Bureau, what did I know. 🙂 🙂 :). I worked real hard at staying out of the lime light and out in the barns.
Ann, good luck tomorrow. Will be thinking of you.
Hi Shadow, A wonderful post! I like staying out in the barns,others like the limelight.For me lime lightersjacked me from the barns and
Hi Shadow,A wonderful post.I don’t wonder the barns were better than than the limelight.That light can get very bitter.Thank you so much for thinking of me,all here are truly what cos could should have been but never was.Always Ann.
What had Steve Jobs to do with Scientology or with Wise ..
Ummmmmm…nothing?
You know Mike, I think you’re being a little too hard on the Beav. After all, you do get 12 volumes, subject by subject.
And you know, Roger, that’s why I’m going to give them $1,350! It’s ‘subject by subject!!!!’ Do you actually know how high tech that is? I’m pretty sure NASA wants to purchase those 12 volumes! I mean, that’s a lot of volumes!
Hi Mike,Up early getting in synch with hospital fun time tomorrow. Had to laugh at one success story “I loved every speaker I learned so much I cannot tell you on this one page…” Methinks someone needs to redo Hubbard Communication Course again,communicating your wins was a big deal in my day and the success stories were not vetted yet.I never went to the Mariott @ Burbank Airport at least I could get a plane out away from this WISE crowd.Love @ 101 degrees to you & Christie.Ann.
Ann I will be thinking of you tomorrow. I hope everything goes well!
Hi Chee Chalker,Thank you from my heart.All here are my Angels when I go through this wonderful world of Modern Medicine !My Drs & I laugh & hug but the spirit light gets dimmed when I end up like a pincushion!It brightens back up after I’m done!Ron would RPF me for sure !Love,Ann.
Aye, Annie me lass! As sure as the sun will be comin’ up tomorrow, you’ll come through this procedure smellin’ like a rose. Take it from me, I’ve dodged the death bullet 7 or 8 times now since I was a child. As a Scotsman, I’m just too cheap to die!
Thoughts and prayers we spend, Ann B.
Hi Old Surfer Dude,Thank You my Scottish Sweethearts!And because OSD you will have a great comment,one test involves a camera,done it every 3 yrs since 99.The vampire tests are ridiculous.XO Ann.
Ann, best of luck tomorrow. We will be sending out best thoughts and prayers your way.
Thank you Raindog,You gave me a Rainbow to brighten up those Blood Vampires.XO Ann.
In 2004, a WISE staffer told me I couldn’t become a WISE consultant because I was too out-ethics. Why? Because I had filed for bankruptcy (guess which organization had a a lot to do with that).
Ummmmm…Salvation Army? Good Will? The Red Cross? Toys for Tots? Help me out here, Simi! I seemed to have hit a wall.
And yet the registrars will tell people that bankruptcy is nothing and it’s okay if the banking conspiracy picks up the tab for your eternity. Sign here, and here.