The item below is evidence that the “only workable administrative technology on earth” doesn’t work.
There has never been ANY org, ever that has managed to implement and maintain the vaunted Hubbard Admin Tech as it is written.
Apologists claim it is because people “don’t apply it correctly” but that is a silly argument because after 60 years if not a single person has managed to be able to apply it as written, then it is not “workable.”
There is no scientology organization on earth that has EVER been able to maintain the arcane, “Central Files” system mandated by “policy.” Not one, ever. Even the big “model” ideal orgs like Tampa cannot manage it.
Not a single org on earth has ever maintained a constant growth pattern — the application of the “conditions formulas” has not been managed as a constant over that same time period. There have been times in the past when some orgs expanded (and missions too) but every one of them have, like shooting stars, burned themselves out and returned to their status quo of small, desperate outposts in their areas. Miami. DC. Munich. New York. Boston. LA Org is artificially propped up by 200 Sea Org members.
Not a single org in history has managed to consistently pay their staff a living wage. Not one. Ever.
Yet that was stated goal of LRH ED 339R which is the THE bible of scientology orgs. And that was written in 1982. Speaking of LRH ED 339R, not a single org has a Universe Corps. Some have been sent out and disbanded within 6 months. Tampa Org recruits people by telling them they can get their OT levels for free at Flag as they are a “special” org that not only leeches the “unqualified” public that come to Flag, it also gets its staff up the Bridge in the FSO staff training area (though realistically, nobody who isn’t already “OT” gets anywhere near Flag for their “free Tampa staff services” it is used more as a gimmick and they allow anyone who is already auditing on OT 7 to continue to audit for free if they sign a 5 year contract — though it doesn’t mean the regges don’t hound them anyway).
There is not a WISE business on earth that has demonstrated any sustained growth. And certainly not one that has accomplished anything that has caused anyone outside the church to notice (other than if they get sued for forcing religious services on their employees). There is no Apple or Microsoft, not even a Chipotle or Build-A-Bear. Nothing.
This is not to say there are not some workable concepts in the administrative writings of L. Ron Hubbard. Many of them are common sense, many of them are copied from others. But like all things scientology in the minds of fundamentalist Hubbardites, they see the “technology” as flawless, all-encompassing, unique and unprecedented (not to mention, epic, monumental and milestone).
This in spite of the evidence before their very eyes. Like this:
Are the files in these “File Projects” the same highly guarded, super confidential case files of scientologists, where their very personal thoughts and actions are recorded?
Nope… None of LRH “Green Tech” is secret. Admin (green) books are for anyone to buy. Cheap from graigslist.
Yo yo,yo Big Mike! Was SuMP?
The obvious escaped me on this… but no administrative system is going to work when you haven’t got a product to sell or one that works. Some gullibles will always buy the hype, but if Chevy engines won’t start no amount of “good admin” is going to sell them.
Perhaps people were happy with the product at Saint Hill and happily parted with money for it but unless results are forthcoming it all goes to crap. Not that I trying to condone the tech, because you can’t condone it – what they are trying to sell at the Orgs doesn’t work and is nothing like the last place it did sell – Saint Hill.
Just sayin…
Notwithstanding the fact WISE fails at selling Admin tech miserably, but if the tech did what it says it does and was available at the local org they wouldn’t need the alleged magic of admin tech. They’ll be flooded with people.
Wow, I just had a cognition! Hubbard says that life is basically a static. Doesn’t that perfectly describe the Church of Scientology?
There are aspects of LRH policy (I cannot bring myself to use the term “admin tech”) that are in themselves very workable and useful. I won’t spend a lot of time on this point, but a few I have found useful in any business enterprise: the idea of valuable final products, the org series, org boards, stats intelligently used, a number of the conditions formulas, especially non existence, emergency … and some other policies as well. And I suspect that Scientologists who have made a lot of money in business pick and choose what they find workable and useful to THEIR activity and circumstances.
BUT … when evaluating the success of LRH’s system, you have to understand that said system has been implemented in Scientology in A TOTALITARIAN ENVIRONMENT (I often say “soviet style fascism” and I can make that comparison on many many points and have in other posts). And although you will find a very intelligent line on how to apply policy (HCO PL Admin Know How Expansion Theory of Policy) – you interpret policy in terms of expansion – you can also find a completely crazy line (HCO PL Conditions How to Assign) – groups thrive when ethics are savage. So who picks which line to apply? Usually it’s the crazy people who rise to the top of the org board in Scientology. (I find MANY of the ethics PLs being just very destructive and insane, at another time I can speak about this in detail). As someone who was on staff for many years, I can tell you from my own experience, that the individual staff member does NOT get to determine how to sanely interpret policy for expansion. What emphasis is put on which of the thousands of policy letters is ALWAYS done at the top of the Scientology world and pushed down with INSISTENCE and THREAT OF FORCE.
But I think the overriding factor in the failure of “admin tech” to have expanded Scientology comes from Ron’s OWN inability/unwillingness to apply HIS OWN POLICY AND IDEAS. Among his many violations, may I offer possibly the chief example of LRH slowly destroying Scientology’s expansion by his OWN misapplication of “policy.” What is the most repeated policy point in all of Scientology policy? (it’s in many of the conditions formulas). Give up? The point of the successful action, that what works is what you do, what gets the stats up is what you do.
We reach 1974 – 5. Scientology is expanding like never better. My own org PACKED day and night with students. The “super missions” (Samuels’ missions, Wimbush’s missions, etc) also packed and sending students to the org in a steady stream to get trained. So … what does L. Ron Hubbard do? HE FREAKIN’ CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! He decides to get off his ship (where increasing numbers of public want services at the highest level of Scientology) and pull in the dough that is now going to orgs to go directly to a new top org. So, what happens over the next few years? First he establishes a higher level of “standard tech” – you get BETTER auditing and training at Flag than at an org, an idea COMPLETELY at variance with the whole idea of “standard.”. Quick story – this even filtered down to Continental Orgs. Suddently my co-auditor Maureen went down to LA to train under Russ Meadows at LA Org and she informed me that her gold seal WAS NO LONGER VALID – only a re-done internship in LA could would validate her as being able to proceed to the next step of her training. This policy was then implemented at ASHO and Flag as well. An org internship and gold seal were no longer recognized as such in the greater Scientology world. Org services DE-VALUED. Students who would come to my org to do an internship now often went to LA or Flag.
My point being that org tech was now OFFICIALLY de-valued (LRH himself is quoted in Flag promo – “There are no absolutes except Flag auditing”) And … slowly but surely “whales” are now regged for Flag services rather than org services, same with any celebrities at one’s org. By late 1982, to prevent missions from making the moolah instead of Flag, Miscavige destroys the big missions (and yes, LRH was still alive at this time). And thus from LRH’s decisions to CHANGE EVERYTHING, Scientology starts its 40 decline in numbers which is still going on to this day. I will also note that LRH also started changing emphasis in auditing at this time too. He became simply obsessed with people’s overts/evil in’t s and almost all new auditing actions were grounded in “what you did wrong or what evil you committed”: integrity processing, XDN, the L’s, HRD, False Purpose RD, etc etc etc
So … LRH policy? Well, much of it can be very worthwhile. But to echo Ron;s own point in KSW about groups having their insanity in common, I would say that it can ONLY be usefully applied by an individual or a very small group of sane people who pick and choose what to sanely apply. It cannot be done “Church of Scientology style.” Too much insanity.
Excellent post, Joe.
Joe, thanks for this analysis. There is policy quite intelligent “how organization stay small” which explain it well.
Hubbard derived from his own intention, or was he somehow pushed in this direction.
Look at OT eligibility PL from 1982, it’s in complete opposition with PL “The flaw” where he says that inspecting before the fact is the death of any group or civilisation. And Elig is an inspection before the fact. Why did he write that in full contradiction with what he calls a basic law. Maybe it was not him who wrote OT eligibility?
Joe: Administration of an organization cannot take place in the presence of out-ethics from anyone attempting to do the administration. I know because I left the church and I am now a successful company administrator.
People cannot TRUST ANY Church of Scientology to deliver anything to them LRH has said is available currently to Mankind in the way of changing the way life is situated on this planet.
About 3,000 people have left the Church of Scientology from all different ranks that have REPORTED they have left.
The church has about 25,000 vocal critics. 25,000 people can have a drastic impanct on a church. If each of those people’s cases had been administrated over properly there would be in the world today about 5,000,000 newly free beings just roaming around.
It is up to us to get up the Grade Chart not the Church of Scientology apparently! 🙂 So who do we call, 911? 🙂
Another great post, Joe.
If there is one consistent characteristic of greed, it is that greed destroys activities.
L Ron Hubbard told David Mayo once that he was “obsessed with money and power”. He knew too little of the vices and virtues which Plato taught about in “The Republic”, nor did he seem to want anything to do The Golden Mean, which Aristotle taught about in the Nicomachean Ethics.
The ignorance of these fundamental moderating disciplines on ethics, along with his fawning and sycophantic phalanx of cult members constantly around him praising his every fart, and fueled by a bunch of Aleistar Crowley teachings on Satanic Power, pretty much ensured that L Ron Hubbard died alone, insane, and on psych drugs, with a little psychopathic demon like David Miscavige running his empire.
The mistakes of Simon Bolivar were nothing compared to the mistakes of L Ron Hubbard.
If only he did not say that he had risen above the bank and that the only thing Man had in common was the reactive mind, then his students could have taken over, fixed his mistakes, and presented Scientology 2.0.
Instead, Scientology became just the contradictory mess that Hubbard left behind as he used people up and cast them aside in his destructive and insane pursuit of money and power.
Alanzo
Hi Alanzo, Thank you for your post. Love, Ann
Any true teacher wishes for their students to surpass them, to build on what they were taught and take it to the next level of understanding, the next level of clarity.
If Hubbard really had the truth, he would have opened up to peer reviewed independent third party validated empirical testing for those things that are subject to empirical testing – which is actually quite a bit. But Hubbard specifically did NOT. He did not want peer review to occur, because he knew that there is no hypnotism as the peer level, you have to maintain “altitude” to continue being a hypnotic operator.
Of course, if he really thought he had the truth and that the fate of the entire universe depended on it, he would have to be the biggest narcissist in history to think that he should have the fate of the universe of the universe in his hands without even asking anyone to double check his work. I don’t think he really thought that though.
Hubbard basically criticized Bolivar for being too nice and not playing dirty enough when he should have been employing rape against his enemies and telling his followers to do whatever nasty thing they want as long as no one thinks he ordered it. Goes to show what sort of person Hubbard is. He apparently thought that Bolivar “failed” because he was not rich at the end. Yet, Bolivar emancipated South America and is venerated for it to this day. His legacy is pure, unsullied and will be forever. Hubbard will never get that, because he was dirty and will always be known as such. He had lots of money though!
Wow Joe, that was an excellent post indeed!!! I just love it when someone has a very free mind to evaluate things for himself , and arrive at sensible explanations.
I only want to add to this already marvelous post of yours that w/out an actual VPF, nothing can keep expanding as the demand for the product markedly decreases with time as it happened with Scn. It not only was that LRH violated his own Admin Tech , but auditing Tech itself became unworkable and even destructive if compared with the advertized results. If Tech would have produced just 75% of the advertized results , even with “squirrel” Admin Scientology would have expanded. I mean , just the “Word of Mouth” would have been enough with all the Good Will resulting from it. The VFPs were flawed to begin with. That caused the decay.
TC
The flyer states that Albuquerque, Austin and Hawaii are each at zero hours, and Kansas City at one hour. Was this to publicly shame them?
Just situation Normal
Hey Mike, I don’t know how you got a picture of my office but I’m pretty pissed off about it. Question: Would it be too sacrilegious of me to dump all this church promo now that I don’t need it any more? Thanks.
This CF Project is comparable to trying to make a baby by masturbating. You just wind up with a mess.
Since the SO says, “We Come Back,” where are they? I mean they get 21 years to grow their bodies. Has anyone checked in to say I was so & so last lifetime? Shouldn’t they the returnees up on stage with the other SO folks welcoming them back? Or…after they passed did they decide not to come back & support mankind’s only hope? Mike, has anyone come back in the SO? Just askin’
LRH should be like 30 by now….where is he?
Hi Nostradamus, I have been wondering the same? Where is the old coot, whoops, I mean baby from another world, back to save the prison planet once again. I think not… Laughter, Love, Ann
Hubbard’s so-called “management breakthroughs” are rooted in the 19th Century – see the work of Daniel McCallum (1815 – 1878) whose innovative ideas (organizing boards, top-down chain of command, etc.) revolutionized the railroad industry in the late 1800s. He was considered one of the fathers of “modern” management at the beginning of the last century and Hubbard would certainly have studies his work. McCallum’s ideas are of course considered completely out of date and useless in the world of 2016 but trust Scientology to keep using them.
Mr. Hawkins,
What a pleasure to be acquainted, sir.
Your book, Leaving Scientology, was the first tangible stepping stone for me in the quest to restore order and reason to my mind after being so thoroughly manipulated by the covert and insidious methods of LRH and his organization.
I got out in 1976. I floated around, ignoring the church entirely, and the media until 2013. In that interim I always thought that Scientology was a science and that I was flawed for not making it work. You were the first to really get through to me that the man named Hubbard was not a man to model myself after. Now I have come to the conclusion that he was in fact quite deranged. And cruel. Thank you for your work, thank you for not being silent, and thank you again for coming around today.
That WUS Files Project flier is just a meaningless pile of incomprehensible drivel to me. If it’s a competition then I wonder what the prizes will be? First prize – you won’t be regged for ten minutes and you can also have a half priced bagel and a cup of water.
When Hubbard came out with his figure of 2 1/2% suppressive persons, might he have been referring to those few who are free to think for themselves?
It’s quite simply explained, actually.
Every week the orgs are required to send out tons of personal letters.
Every week they get hundreds of Address Unknowns returned to them.
Mixed in with the hundreds of address unknowns is one or two actual letters that need to be actually responded to. (most of these are requests to be taken off the mailing list)
Anyone who might have been in charge of filing all this shit is sitting at a phone somewhere in the org desperately trying to get some WTH sold, or some Basics sold, or some cash in for IAS. Since he can’t go home or back to filing until he’s made his quota of $, his job of filing never gets done.
Since you can’t ever take anyone off the mailing list, or toss out any of those useless envelopes, they just stack up and up and up.
Standard admin practiced in real time.
That’s the way it’s been since the beginning of time…4 quadrillion years ago.
No wonder people hug trees.
LDW: LOL! 🙂
I wonder if Bill Gates made all his billions (trillions?) by using Admin Tech. He must have, he must have, c’mon, let’s chant together and believe, brothers and sisters . . .”must have, must have . . .!
I’m sure David Miscavige considers Bill Gates to be a DB. What worthless human being makes all that money and donates a huge chunk of it to charities and not scientology? David Miscabige could care less about Bill Gates. 😉
He made Microsoft Employees lick bathroom floors clean and run around a poll as punishment for Windows Vista
Windows Vista??? That piece of crap? Those employee got off very easy.
Ah Mike, Admin “Tech”… one of my favorite subjects.
For years now I’ve considered Admin Tech to be the chink in the Holy Trinity’s armor.
I strongly urge…no, insist, that all Scnists apply Admin Tech to their lives and businesses – to the letter. Then see me in six months, when we can have a long talk about Hubbard and Scn.
First, I will admit a need for group policy. Any members of the group should understand the basic principles of how the organization is structured and run. Most Scnists have a basic understanding of this. Most Scnists recognize LRH as being a genius, and by association, his management system must be stellar given it’s pedigree. They couldn’t be more wrong.
Scn orgs are organized as quasi-military organizations, complete with command channels, pigeon-holed posts and micro-managed post policies. Every post action is closely monitored by way of statistics. Every week one is expected to increase their own personal post production through the application of Condition Formulas. This is simply assumed to work, though exact explanation as to how this is actually done is suspiciously omitted.
While Hubbard cautions against placing statistics above the product, in reality, at ANY level of Scn, the ONLY thing of importance is STATS. It is your stats which determine whether you are a hero or a piece of shit.
IT NEVER ENDS. Scn has an insatiable appetite for more, more, more. Enough is NEVER enough. If you haven’t exceeded your highest evers from last week, well, it’s your own damn fault. And the penalties can be severe; so severe, that you are willing to lie and falsify your stats..
The epitome of application of Admin Tech is a Scn Org itself. What a joyless, harsh, unforgiving, ruthless proposition that is. All Scnists should do a tour of duty as Scn staff. Most would never make it through their 2 1/2 year contract, few would actually re-enlist, ALL would leave with a clear impression that Scn orgs are dysfunctional and broken.
White gas and a cigarette- Problem solved. :>)
Could someone please explain this quote. I’m serious. “By actual record the percentages are about twenty to 100,000 that a group of human beings will dream up bad technology to destroy good technology.”
Gadfly, this has confused me since I first read it. I think it means what it says – that only 20 persons out of 100,000 will dream up bad tech to destroy good tech. Which is different then one would think while reading KSW.
Too bad no one had the courage to ask him how he arrived at that figure. The one thing Hubbard seemed to dislike as much as psychs, was being questioned about his didacticism.
Just run that through your galactic translatometer. Set it to Bullshit-to-English.
Yeah .. by “ACTUAL” record … wonder what dictionary THAT definition of actual comes from.
That line never made literal sense to me. I suspect that LRH really meant to say (or even wrote) “100, 000 to 20” but that no one had the balls to bring the error to his attention. Such is the great “confront” of Scientologists.
Calling Hubbard ‘source’ is a thought stopper if I ever heard one.
From my Student Hat Dictionary, (the new dictionary that isn’t a dictionary) – “Percentages: the mathematical chances of something happening. As used here, for every 20 instances of a group of people making suggestions that do not result in bad technology, there are 100,000 instances of a group of people making suggestions that lead to bad technology that destroys good technology.”
When I did my Student Hat re-tread last year I encountered at least two definitions in that “dictionary” which I could not verify with any regular dictionaries. I always tried to verify what I found there. I mentioned this to the word clearer and she shrugged. I was left with the impression that at times the author of the St Hat “dictionary” simply made up definitions which made some sense out of otherwise nonsensical or unsuitable words LRH used in the Study Tapes.
I found this to be true as well for the glossary in back of Science of Survival which I began as extension crs. When I specifically pointed it out to the Ex Crs sup, she said she’d check into it and let me know but I never heard anything further about it.
As an aside, the whole purpose of course supervisors and word clearers is to ensure no one else gets to be source.
This is very likely an error in word choice – “percentages” should be changed to “odds”. Phrased that way it makes sense, because odds require two numbers to specify and this is normally done in the way Hubbard does: “[number] to [number]”.
If we do change “percentages” to “odds”, the ordering of the numbers is technically CORRECT for gambling odds: gambling odds are odds AGAINST, so very short odds indicate a high probability. However it would be more common to state this as “100,000 to 20 on”.
It would also have been clearer to reduce the fraction (“5000 to 1 on”), but that is a minor point.
That’s exactly what I though ; “odds” is the applicable word , and “100,000 to 20” , the correct expression meaning that for each 100,000 individuals only 20 of them would not attempt to “destroy” or “alter” the “workable” Tech (any Tech).
Unfortunately in the world of “Standard Tech” , if it doesn’t make sense, it is you who have the M/Us in the materials as LRH was the “perfect” grammarian. When I was still in Scn orgs like 16-17 years ago , I used to be (still am, very much) a very applied student , always attempting to dissect and digest every piece of knowledge. When you solve each and every exercise in a Calculus and Physics textbook , spending sometimes a whole day solving one until finally worked out , glibness is not part of your character. But the Sups didn’t agree with the amount of time that it usually took me to cover the whole Checksheet. So I was constantly haunted by M-4s which almost never found M/Us but rather many disagreements. Fortunately for me , at the Mission they didn’t know about the “Disagreement Check” Tech.
My disagreements were that I used to stumbled across many grammatical errors that resulted in the sentence not making much sense as redacted. And no matter how much “Word Clearing” I did , I still disagreed with it. The Sups, however ,always used the best tool that a Sup possesses : The Service Fac. They just left me alone as an incorrigible student. There were also many instances of LRH not explaining clear enough many technical procedures (a VERY usual habit of his) , but upon querying the Sups (a deadly sin in Scn) about it, they just said, “Go and find your M/Us before I give you a Pink Sheet” ; to which I usually “obeyed” to.
Anyone (not a KSW fanatic, mind you) who have studied the OT materials and the C.C. knows what I am talking about, specially OT III ; it is a nightmare! And what about the NOTs series as to a clearly laid out series of orderly steps ? My God! , how can anyone supposedly knowing the Barries to Study (LRH, I mean) can be such a lousy teacher ? Cause he WAS a lousy teacher, all right. The students having Qs on those levels are a LOT. But I guess that my Indie friends will just think that I have “M/Us on the materials”. The truth is that LRH miserably failed to explain “dummy style” , you know, many technical procedures. He was very disorganized as a “research” man.
Usually for each hour of a LRH lecture you only have 10-15 mins of actual descriptions of technical concepts and procedures and the rest is just pure gibberish and historical “dissertations”. A friend of mine called that, “Mental Diarrhea” , and correctly so. But these are just “natter” or at best, “M/Us” manifestations from me , according to robitized KSE fanatics. Well, it seems that I am “Walking M/U” then.
:-)))
TC
Must have been a relief to leave the nut house TC.
About 1978 while in CMO PAC DM (who was either at INT or CW) had me do an investigation into CF’s in PAC (LA)….simply put…they were a mess and part of my handling was to look into using computers (not used in Scn at all and not that popular generally back then…..) still remember DM’s reply…a few cuss words… and staff were just lazy…keep them up…all hands….till corrected…never was…some things never change…..
Hubbard’s only prior experience with administration was in the Navy, and it was at a fairly low level. As Yawnalot pointed out above, the military doesn’t have to support itself because we taxpayers do that, whether we want to or not. It’s about the worst possible example for a sustainable admin system, and notoriously inefficient as Joseph Heller so humorously detailed in Catch 22.
The army bureaucracy was a was a major push towards my return to civilian life.
My comment on the interview this morning is that pain is the natural indicator that something is wrong and serious pain is the serious indicator that you may be doing something seriously wrong.
Have a couple of friends who did nearly 3 decades in the system. Both are out now & both have real problems trying to assimilate to civilian life. Long term SO have similar I would assume but at least the army paid you, gave you medical & fed you. It did produce for me a boredom so intense it cracked the buttons on my uniform. I understand the relief of getting out, glad I didn’t do too long in it though.
I see the army bureaucracy as a long, long history forged out of having the potential capacity of being independent of whoever is in charge of it. Military coups aren’t uncommon, so it’s self correcting survival system of types. Blind acceptance of orders leads to some whacko scenarios, scientology being such a prime example.
Politics is another system, and religion another. Getting answers sure can be a terminal pursuit, aw fuck it… beer anyone?
If a staff is degraded for whatever reason he usually gets the post of CF clerk, mimeo officer or letter registrar, sometime body router and similar unwanted positions. Those positions are usually not “earned” but assigned to staff that are considered “PTS” or “Degraded Beings” = useless people that are “allowed” to be part of the group but should not come out of their pit (basement usually). Their only part in the group is to do the dirty work no one else wants to do.
I had been in that position and I did not feel very much liked and did feel degraded. That is the negative side of the coin. The positive side is that I could do whatever I decided to do. I could decide to only work 8 hours a day and have a full weekend off. Without study in the evening. I could decide to be in power and receive 50% Bonus. (or was it 100%. I forgot).
But anyway, it was a degrading experience. No one wants to be CF clerk or letter reg. Therefore that CF work never gets done.
ah, but also the other side, the so called positive side of the coin, is that Hubbard called CF the Mind of the organization, oh, and when you read the PL’s concerning CF, why one can get all pumped up in thought, here is a mindless job of filing letters (and writing letters out) into folders and it means one is expanding the org as LRH writes. You are doing a “vital job”.
A year of this filing letters (or writing letters) into CF and actually seeing “no results” can be mind numbing. It’s like the choo choo train that could. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9xO98kcBU
San Fancisco Org lost over 80 percent of it’s public.
During a ten month period when they decided to do something about it
SF Org applied 13 states of EMERGENCY in TEN months with no result of
getting better, things got worse. Solution was to DO NOTHING, NO HARSH ETHIC’S,
(HCO was shooting Staff left and right and they Blew like leaves in a hurricane)
Eventually everyone above Folder Page stopped being screamed at and beaten,
the ED was exiled to the Dark Side of the MOON and a few new public would
come in.
>San Fancisco Org lost over 80 percent of it’s public.
During a ten month period
When did this happen? Just curious. I occasionally walk by the org, and the few people who go in or come out are staff.
You Didn’t expect students, did you? That is so 2 decades ago…
1980 to 1981 was Big exodus, Org steadily declined till 1989 .
In 2003 I brought the subject up with Senior Magistrate
and SF Org blamed everyone who jumped ship.
No Official Why was ever found , SF is still down stat today.
Jose … if you don’t mind saying … what post were you back in the olden days at SFO?
I did the World Stats at Saint Hill England
Held many Posts at SFO.
Thanks Jose. I was a CS at SFO (known in those days as Berman) so we probably worked together. (Took my stage name to make it big in Hollywood but alas …)
First, the assertions are valid – at least to some degree, or in toto, the admin “tech” is purely theoretical – some idealized scene that can only exist among some sort of ideal people who do not.
But either way, the problems of admin tech in Scn as a whole are monumental, epic, and milestone. First, Scn as a whole has never completed a non-E formula. Jeff Hawkins started, and no one else backed him up. So the org as a whole continues to have zero impact on the world, despite the delusions and/or lies. In effect, it does not exist.
Second, formulas apply only to lower level staff. No one at the upper levels of management answers for the continues non-E of Scn. They just keep on beating up the lower level staff.
Third, no one can actually think with the data (by design). No one applies conditions in any way other than Thursday 2 PM to Thursday 2 PM. So you can be an upstat for years, and the moment your stats drop, the reaction will depend on factors other than production. If you are lower lower level, your long-term trend will probably be taken into account. But if you are a lower-lower level staff, it won’t matter in the big picture The closer you are to The David, the more likely it is that you will get the Stalin treatment at first opportunity- busted to Siberia or equiv.
Way back when…I was a staff member at Bellevue Mission. I wanted to see the place expand and so I enrolled on the OEC at the Seattle Org. I studied 3 hours a day, 4 days a week and completed each volume of the OEC Course over 2 years. There were many key points for me on the course, things that made me pause and say, “Well, IF we did what is written here, the Org would expand”. For example the idea that the staff should study and go up the bridge and get audited every day…that never (or VERY rarely) happened. I read the policies about Public Relations where it says “Never use lies in PR” and on and on. There are countless policies that state all staff members must be treated with respect and kindness, given training for their duties and helped.
Imagine my confusion when it finally dawned on me that almost all of the admin tech was not being followed!
Instead, like a religious zealot who scours the Holy Text for one paragraph they can use to justify their hate crimes, Scientology uses the “admin tech” like a bludgeon to bully and threaten and suppress its minions.
The parts that ARE followed, to the letter, are the harshest policies urging one to root out counter intention, be ruthless and attack enemies.
Embarrassingly it took me WAYYYYY to long to have the realization that the management of the church had zero intention to actually follow the admin tech at all.
I am NOT trying to say that the Administrative Technology is good, or workable or any of that. I am just pointing out that the church does not, and NEVER did ever use the Admin Tech in the first place. And from my experience, any time an individual DID try to apply the Admin Tech, as written, they were hounded and persecuted, suppressed and expelled.
Like an insane asylum taken over by its most manipulative inmate, (Hi Dave!) the Church of Scientology has created its own, new “tech” designed solely to take in money and stay in control.
Did not one person ever say to Hubbard, or Miscavige, or anyone else who was in charge, “Sir, with all due respect, this Central Files thing is stupid,” Especially since the advent of computer storage, why the hell do they need to organize things this way? But what do I know. I’m just a never-in wog who’s never known the joy of using a telex machine, using ammonia and newspaper to wash my windows and spending my weekends in a filing room on a project that by its very design will never be done. I must be missing out.
Hi edge, My are you ever missing out! Laughter! Least we forget scrubbing toilets with tsp and toothbrushes, scrubbing blue dust and white dust off pipes and using a screwdriver and straight ammonia no mask to pry up little rubber tiles from 40s early 50s that were in the front lobby of big blue.Yet even after mastering all above, CF is the tangled mangled paper dust flying musty jungle of total disorganization. The hours and hours I spent there.Noy only rooting around as a letter reg but we also had SO CF address parties which involved trying to file these address labels that went on a printer thing.I right royally screwed those up, so spent more time filing courtesy of ethics. Why Ron did not jump early into the computer world is interesting.So glad to wash CF out of me.Those poor still ins filing away, never coming to the end,always starting at the beginning.Just like an old beat up bridge I once knew.Love, Ann I forgot commas today, sorry.
When I went to St. Hill for Power Processing in the mid 70s, I finished earlier than expected and had some time left before my flight home. I volunteered in the Letters Out area. The system was that one took a large stack of files, and dictated a reply to the letter on top, generally a “letters out” copy which had never received a reply from the pc/student/etc. The recording would then go to a typist who would turn out the letter and address the envelope. From there is was mailed. As I was not actually on SH staff, I ignored the procedure and went into the file to find the last time the person had actually communicated. In every single instance, I found the person had either made a request or asked a question and it NEVER been answered! So when I dictated, I made mention of their question/request – no matter how long it had been – and got questions answered and requests complied with. It was really a lot of fun.
As I was also a fast talker, I was able to create the answers to the letters quickly. And after I returned home, I began getting letters from SH begging me to come back and go on staff. It turned out that I’d put Letters Out into Power during my stay. And four weeks later, the Letters In stat went into Power. All because I simply answered the last communication the person had made, ignored previously. It was a case of simply communicating correctly. One would think, “Not a big deal”. But it had been totally ignored!
(No, I didn’t go back!) LOL
Hi thegman77, I wish I had been able to see you in action with letter regging. I would have learned wisdom from you. I did always try to answer questions and establish a strong comm line with the letter recipient.A lot of Sea Orgers despised letter regging @ Asho F.It was right up my alley! Love U, Ann
“OMG San Diego is on fire!”
If I were Sandi Kleiman I might have wished this were true in the litteral sense (while no one was in there of course).
Then it might avoided me wasting 66 hours of my life filing useless letters to people who bought a book 60 years ago.
Just be grateful you’re not Sandi Kleiman. You’re a Free Being, for real !
I remember in a 1951 lecture Hubbard admitted he had no idea how to handle the 3rd Dynamic. He called it some wild card or some such and even expected to have to explain to others at some point why he didn’t have a solution for it, he just knew it was virtually uncontrollable. He felt confident with the developing technology of scientology/dianetics but not past the auditing of individuals. He sure wasn’t wrong as it is so obvious now but he sure tried to get a system going nonetheless.
Never I have ever seen something that sure looks like it would work, a lot of it makes sense but has no successful application over any merit-able time.
I could compare it to a military administrative system but that is flawed logic in that the source of funds to keep a military going is not generated by the military itself. It’s kept ‘afloat’ by the taxpayer or external funding. Their continued existence is state guaranteed, that in part is similar to the whales who support scientology with lots of $ & misguided dedication.
I have an unsubstantiated guess or notion that auditing products up to the late 70s had a tendency to end cycle with their involvement with the organisation and got on with life according to the knowledge they gained via their involvement. But in those days they were free to go, not like is now with the enforced prison of belief system. I say this because I knew 2 original BC old timers & original OT5s in 1985 who were off lines but were really happy with their lot in life and helped out at the org on occasion and very much encouraged others to go up the Bridge. The rate of organisational expansion was always dependant on new bodies in the shop I guess and perhaps the formation of the SO was the only way to keep some sort of administrative and technical structure intact. Real spiritual freedom doesn’t require policing imo.
The only really substantiated thing to me is the suppressive nature of management and how it degenerated severely in the 80s and was gut shot bad by 2000.
The one concept that sticks to me like glue is that now knowing what miscavige is actually like it is a error of magnitude to expect him to permit a workable technology of life to exist or be applied, and that includes administration. That micro managing guy is poison, just like his Bridge to nowhere.
“that micro managing guy” . . . Did you mean “that micro guy who manages?” That would the best interpretation, I believe. Don’t you think? Ha, ha, ha !
Yeah, that’s a much better explanation. To say his smallness manages at all is in bad taste too? Just like Idi Amin knew how to be a finance minister and steered his country to sustainability or Pol Pot was a humanitarian.
Humanity has a couple of real problems with systems of leadership, All Heil Caesar! Zieg Heil! Never understood those images in some eastern countries where huge crowds get together to chant death and destruction and get into flag burning etc. Why bother… but they do… bit of a worry!
Interesting points and it rings true. I recall people leaving the Org, heading for L.A. to do the upper bridge. They would finish, come home and move on. You wouldn’t hear from them again. It was alright. They did not have to be a “member” of anything either, or maintain a membership to maintain their friends and family. People were very happy for them to get up the bridge and finish. They were allowed to complete a cycle of action.
Now they have to report stats of what they have done for David Miscavige. And they are never permitted to complete a cycle of action. If they do, it is just invalidated and they are ordered to do it again, and again. You can only complete your cycle of action with the CofS if you walk out the door and don’t look back.
What you wrote Mike is correct, not only some of this admin tech does not work, but also is ‘applied’ as it is convenient to the higher echelons of management so as it proves it works.
Specific: “statistics’.
When Advance Tech Value of Service Deliverer stat (RTC’s one) was down, then the most imaginable twists of admin tech got done until it went up.
Handlings such as: staff does not go to sleep, the execs get shouted out, folders from 10 years back get pulled to ‘find’ any possible missed minutes which, eventually, could be added to de stat ended up. Declare of Staes of Emergency (which supposed to be rare) were occurring at the rate of 3 or 4 a month and on, and on.
Thank you for reminding us of another aspect of the fundamentalist religion of scn.
Typical Scientology lack of clarity. Each location lists a single name? Are they the lead, the person who reports, or the only one filing? If the only one filing, who are all the other people in the pictures and what are they doing?
There are sure a lot of gray and balding heads in those pictures. I would being free of engrams, the other mechanisms of the reactive mind, and becoming Clear and OT would have greatly increased your life span. Guess not. These specimens of the human branch of great apes appear to age and die right on genetic schedule.
“…lot of gray and balding heads in those pictures.” FOTF2012, you better get used to it! Scientology is not bringing in new people. I mean, if the Austin (TX) org, which sits across the street from the University of Texas, is not getting any new people in, it not going to happen for them. At all. The word is out all across Teegeeack: Beware of Scientology!
The Marcabins might be interested. Like old friends around a campfire type of thing, singing Kumbaya and such to the hum of high energy wire.
Makes me yearn for the days of clay demos and star-rate checkouts galore (not). What a pathetic tale today’s post tells. Some of the gifted in the “wog” world are busy with Mars One and getting a colony going (hope they don’t build on top of the implant station). In the meantime, back at the Scientology ranch, the Operating Thetans are trying to figure out how to file.
Hey! Filing is tough and the OTs are old! C’mon and give ’em a break!
They could do what John Duignan discovered they’d done at London Org.
He went to knock down a wall to make more space in CF and discovered that someone had put the wall up over thousands of old files!
Unbelievable, lol.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Hiding files so they don’t have to deal with them! Hey, all the files are so old, I would have burned them.
Oh, that is rich! Practicing not-is-ness probably to keep stats up and stay out of ethics! Either that or some joker thought he/she was following admin tech precisely and no one dared question.
Hi FOTF2012, I loved your post! Thank you! The picture of OTs at the Scientology Ranch, trying to figure out how to file, classic. Love, Ann
Here’s an idea for a files project competition — Straighten out your fucking files, and the first one completely done wins. Number of hours is irrelevant. Reaching the goal is all that matters.
Here’s another idea — Go back in time in time and figure out why Scientology orgs’ files are perpetually in need of drastic reordering. The first one to figure it out gets a free pass out of the church and into sanity.
How about this one — Volunteer to work on files. Find your own file, and dispose of it quietly and without pity. Sneak away as if you never existed. Call it the Grand Prize.
“Find your OWN file, and dispose of it quietly and WITHOUT sorrow (or pity if you want).” Laughing! Now that’s some funny shit!
Don’t forget your ethics files ! Otherwise they’ll hound you mercilessly (applying policy, of course : the fair game policy). THAT would be the Big Grand Prize.
I think the world is ‘Fair Gaming’ them…
Oh! I got an idea. Let’s train a million silverfish, starve them for a couple of weeks and set ’em loose outside Flag’s storage facility. Like a virus with a zillion legs… that’ll learn ’em!
I wonder – and as a never-in I can only speculate – are a person’s CoS files ever something in your physical possession? Like if your auditor is going over a bunch of notes about sec checks from 20 years ago to reinforce what a screw up you are, and you just break down and ask if you can have a moment to review the notes yourself and really think about what you’ve done wrong; would they actually leave you alone with it?
I was just thinking a great way to blow, would be to follow this scenario and then set fire to the frigging thing the second they were out of sight.
No, your auditing folders aren’t yours, nor are you allowed to view them. Your ethics folders on the other hand can be viewed if requested but you can’t touch it. It’s done in front of an ethic’s officer.
What they do with the information in folders inside the Cof$ is strictly against their own policy and quite an evil thing, akin to a Priest video taping your confessional and blackmailing you or they’ll hand it over to the police.
Thanks for the clarification on that. A shame – it would be one helluva dramatic exit. And probably a very cathartic act too. I’d find comfort in attending an ethics/auditing folder bonfire, even without my own past being on the pile.
Once again I’m left wishing the Leverage team weren’t fictional. It seems to me the best people to wipe out such records would have to be people who were themselves master criminals in another life. But alas we’ll just have to take the long road, and let those of you who did get out, slowly tear their walls down.
It is an interesting comparison. I am not a Scientologist and have not claimed that badge for more than 30 years I am also not a Mormon and have not claimed that badge for more than 40 years.
This post made me think because I can’t think of any other group purporting to be a religion which claims to know “the exact way” to file your papers.
I search the Mormon church records which are open and free for all to search on a regular basis. They are well kept and have a wealth of information.
I searched the Mormon records yesterday because my sister told me she had uploaded a recording of my father and for the first time in over 30 years, I heard my deceased father’s voice. It took me about 10 minutes from when she told me to when I found it. What a wonderful treat.
The mormon files are well organized and grow by the thousands on a daily basis. They do not claim to have any superior tech to keep them organized, they just keep them organized. This does not make me desirous of joining them.
I am glad to be free of ANY belief system that forces me to believe that their way is the only way.
It’s funny, but if a religion wanted to claim record keeping as a religious sacrament, it could be the Mormons; and with nothing to be embarrassed about. Scientology, on the other hand, was dreamed up and run by L. Ron Hubbard, and so is thoroughly incompetent.
Hi Valerie, Your post made me recall my early days on The Excalibur. Two policy letters I remember well gave orders on how the ladies were to wash and rinse our hair,and the rinse had to be cold to save hot water.And the other was it was forbidden to get a sun burn. Out on the hot main deck,cleaning it was hard not to.I got one and covered it up with a long sleeved denim shirt, as others did also.And I still love that for four years I filed papers as Ron directed! Laughter!Love,Ann.
The whole subject of central files and “letters to the public” is very absurd. Scientology org letter writing campaigns are “press gangs” that coerce students, PCs and staff members to write their quota of letters to the collection of names and addresses in central files before they can go home. The so called letters are often no more than a sentence or two, written with a false sense of caring or intimacy, trying to convince the recipient to – guess what – come into the org. Often the envelope is also stuffed with two or three pieces of promotion for church services.
Of course there must be a hard ‘carbon copy’ of the letter, or some sort of written record, placed in the central file, that must be returned to its proper place in the org’s filing system.
All of this is anchored by Hubbard’s policy that letters out will bring in revenues. Perhaps actual letters written by caring people would have that effect, but really, who can honestly confirm that one of those slap dash scribbled “letters” ever accomplished anything beyond supporting the postal system.
Now back to Central Files…after the letter writing ‘party’, understandably, everyone leaves as quickly as possible. So the files are not put away properly in alphabetical order, with all correspondence filed in chronological order. Hence the never ending invitations to CF parties. And they try to make it fun, but most people would rather watch paint dry.
Another epic fail of Hubbard’s not so brilliant admin tech.
Hi Zola, Good to meet you. I agree with your post and the letter writing parties.I hope I was one of the Sea Org letter reges that did really care for those I wrote to.Even so I was selling Ron’s Dream to many, and I saw the downside and got out.Easier said than done! Love, Ann
Zola, also per policy when a letter or a call is made the CF file is to be studied and then the contact made. When I was a student at LA Org and ASHO and this ‘stat push’ was demanded I simply pointed out that I could not write a letter or call with no CF file and most knew the PL. Worked when I left staff and would get calls – I would ask if my CF file had ben studied? It never was so I would say better brush up on your Staff Statuses and call me back. By. LOL
Dyed in the wool Scientologists will insist that ‘Admin Tech’ is the only answer to expansion despite all evidence to the contrary (Amazon, Google, Apple). The following statement by Hubbard is the ultimate irony: “The service facs of people make them defend themselves against anything they confront, good or bad, and seek to make it wrong.”
OMG!!! You mean to tell me that some scientologists died while surrounded by wool? And no major newspaper picked up the story? That’s just wrong on so many levels…..
“Look, don’t listen” must be one of the most ignored/neglected policies ever, certainly amongst the koolaiders. I believe that they intrinsically know that if they “look” their lives will change forever and they cannot face that.
It is a daunting process, that is, opening your eyes, and there are many who keep them tightly shut because it’s safer. I suppose some are just unaware or too dumbed down. .
Dawn, look, don’t listen is so 1970’s. The new GAT is all about listen, don’t look.
Dawn, you said about the Still Ins, “I believe that they intrinsically know that if they “look” their lives will change forever and they cannot face that”.
This is both true and well said. While still in and UTR, on at least 5 occasions I took the opportunity to indicate to some long term still in where he or she should “look”.
On each occasion I did this gently and without make-wrong when the opportunity presented itself. I didn’t plan it but each time I did it I knew what I was doing and I watched carefully, without appearing to do so.
Well, the response each time, from EACH still in, was PANIC.
Not prolonged or obvious panic but, a flash of panic in the eyes, this brief flash of panic.
because I had said, “Look at this”, and they did, each of them.
And each of them quickly ended the comm cycle with me with one excuse of another – changing the subject, leaving the room with some excuse or another, etc. and each time I was very casual about it, but I wasn’t fooled. I saw them look and I saw how they couldn’t have it.
They’re good people, but they’ve devoted their entire lives to the Church of Scientology and just cannot, will not and simply refuse to be wrong.
When you see this up close its sad, because it wasn’t just fear, it was panic, however brief it lasted before they no-ised it. (Sorry for the Scn. language.)
Hi Aquamarine, Whoa what a great post! Thank you. I never thought I would be in a constant state of turmoil those last Sea Org years, yet they most definitely were.What Ron said, and what he did, two different puzzles and if I did not cognate what that meant in SO, I was already burnt toast!Love, Ann
Edit: “…before they Not-Ised it.”
Mike – enjoyed your interview with Jeffrey Augustine (on Tony Ortega’s blog today). To use ShermanSpeak, let’s all postulate/hope that in 2016, the Church Of scientology experiences: “epic, monumental, unprecedented by orders of magnitude, at the front porch of infinity” pain and loss of members.
Hi Mike, I saw visitor’s post and wanted to say a wonderful interview, thank you Jeffery & Mike. Two of my favorite parts were the sec-check bracelets and what really resonated was the comment Mike made regarding JT, ” that Scientology Makes You Stupid” I saw how I completely became such, months before I blew.Definitly feel that occurred for me. I have a candle lit in my heart for Going Clear… and all who bravely led us to talk about our escapes to Freedom.Love,Ann
6 – 5 hours
7 – 1 hour
8 – 0 hours
9 – 0 hours
10 – 0 hours
You have to wonder, do these ORGs actually have anyone attending?
As to LRH Admin Tech, as I’ve said in the past, if I was still in sales, and came across a potential customer who was using it, I’d tag that company as unsafe to sell to. Odds are the company wouldn’t have enough money to pay its bills.
Wayne, little to no one is attending any Model, Idle Morgue. The genie is out of the bottle and she’s spilling her guts about the cult.
Where the hell have you been? Do you know what it is like to shlog through this blog without reading your posts along the way?
You have my sincere apologies, TFB. I had to take all of our Christmas stuff down. Both inside & out. I’ll try not to let that happen again. And Doug? I looked at all the expansion the church was making and decided to rejoin. I mean 47x!!! Doug, go out and find out for yourself! If every third person isn’t a Scientologist, I’ll stop posting here and hang my head in shame…..
Actually that’s not true OSD. In fact in 2015 Scientology expanded 47X more than in the rest of their history combined.
Ethics Tech Admin .. Thetan Mind Body, the basic of an org board .. is admin .. so you cannot put in admin as long ethics and tech is not done .. and you cannot have tech and ethics in place before admin is in place .. solve it .. close to impossible .. as LRH wrote someplace .. groups have an agreement of stop .. this six items in itself shows where the stop is .. can be done .. but not with LRH tech as used now ..
Yup. You said it best of all Mike. If it’s so great, why don’t we see big orgs, missions, etc., or even big corporations that are using LRH Admin Tech.
On another note: Mike, your summation in your interview with Jeffrey Augustine (Tony Ortega’s site) is BRILLIANT. You are so well spoken and articulate in your take on the overall picture and the ultimate take-down of the abuses of the church of scientology. I lost hope recently but today it’s back. 🙂
Unless Madison Baird is a male, all of the CF volunteers are women which strikes me as interesting. And what’s up with Sara, Ginny, and Amanda and their “0 hours”? Maybe they’ve begun their “leaving Scientology” steps of regained awareness. We can hope.
Robin, remember now that Hubbard started the grades from ‘0.’ As in grade 0. So, really, 0 hours is really pretty good!
We can hope 🙂
That opening photo, Mike, is one of the funniest, yet precise, ones I’ve seen to demonstrate the deluge of “admin” information one was forced to read and apply to the simplest of activities while on staff. What an incredible deluge of paperwork and reporting was required for the most obvious things. I was delighted to leave it all behind.
I thought it looked nice and tidy. Although, I am a hoarder….