I got this promo piece recently. The volcano Popocatepetl is near Puebla and is the city’s most famous landmark. It got me thinking about Hubbard’s list of volcanoes that are part of his OT III story. Not a one in Mexico.
Why?
Mexico apparently wasn’t in his thoughts at the time he concocted his OT III story.
And how is it that he was so geographically challenged? His spelling is terrible, but “Kolomonjero” is a LONG way from the Atlantic. There are no volcanoes in the Eastern part of Canada, they are all on the Pacific side of the country, Tangier is not a volcano, but a city in Morocco (the Atlas Mountains are behind it but are not mentioned, though Himalayas and Andes are included encompassing huge areas).
But more to the point, according to geologists, the oldest volcano in Hawaii is 11.5 million years.
Mount Kilimanjaro is only 4 million years old.
Mt Shasta is less than a million years old.
The Canary Islands volcanoes formed 70 million years ago — 5 million years is a LONG time to be off, especially when you are expected to to be able to pinpoint a time millions of years ago down to the minute and second using an E-Meter.
Scientologists pretend this information either doesn’t exist, or is simply wrong because Hubbard knows better than than geologists and their science — he had an E-Meter. And as for his geographic ineptitude and spelling shortcomings, they are unimportant when compared to the “discoveries” of the “Wall of Fire.”
If someone makes up a fictional story, that fictional story is true in a parallel universe timeline, they are getting the story from themselves on another timeline where it happened for real, the geography of Earth does be different on other timelines, also its possible to audit incidents that happened in other timelines. This is a multi-verse, there is an infinity of parallel universes interacting with each other, what happens on one affects all the others .
This is one of the first things I really looked at after leaving the cult. Hubbard wrote OT III in 1966. Plate tectonics as a theory wasn’t widely embraced until 1968! Hubbard’s imagination was wild, but severely limited by his ignorance.
Also, the Himalayas are not volcanic at all, but formed by two continental tectonic plates thrusting upward. The top of Everest is made of marine limestone from the ocean floor.
That was a big thing that got me questioning the OT III materials after I did it.
Great point!
And besides, they only formed about 45 million years ago. Being off by 5 million might be excused but 30? Nope.
Reading the secret confidential OT 3 material in the advanced org were such an emotional letdown. After all the years, all the come on marketing hype, all the promises of total freedom how could anyone not fall for these great sci Fiction story. I remember looking up with all dictionaries,encyclopedias, atlases and other references the details of the volcanoes listed and the Hubbard stated dates but try as I may they just really never added up.
The supervisor gave me word clearing and other remedies but nothing could, would or should clear it up. Next the supervisor gave me the old “sometimes you just have to trust the commodore.” In the next few painful seconds I saw the endless trips to correction and ethics flash before me including losing my eligibility forever so…. I simply said, you are so right. My needle floated (likely from the absurdity of it all) and within a week or 10 days I was auditing these fake incidents with fake dates supposedly blowing BT’s and clusters and getting great grades on each session from the solo case supervisor. What a f….ing fraud it all was.
So grateful I got out nearly 20 years ago. Life out here is so much nicer without the total fake compromises to save your reputation and to stop the mental torture. I thank God every day that there have been such great whistle blowers like Mike,and many others who have documented the lies, subterfuge and idiocies within the godless cult called scientology.
Sigh…
I concur.
Thanks for sharing that. I never made it anywhere close to clear much less OT, but can’t imagine what a let down that must have been.
“75 MILLION” IS A CONFIDENTIAL PHRASE. You can cop an ethics condition for saying it as it supposedly *RESTIMULATING* to those who hear it.
Likewise
Inc II
Inc I
Forbidden words.
To add to Karen’s post, I was doing the dating drill in the course room with a twin. That is the drill where your twin writes down a whole track date an you have to use the meter to fin it and use orders of magnitude to home in on it. I was Clear at that point and had not done any OT Levels. I wrote down 75 Million years ago and we were using that date. The Sup came over and asked to see that date I put and he as 75 Million and he told me not to use that date. I argued and said, but we get good reads on that one. He told me in no uncertain terms to NOT use that date. Of course he couldn’t say why not cuz they have to be so secretive about OT III and stuff. I think they use the secrecy for two reasons: one people will pay for and do OT III just to find out the secret, and it is so out there sci fi sounding that if people knew about it they wouldn’t do it and word would get out that that religion is coo coo. well Southpark took care of that part later on.
Hey, what’s a few million years between friends? Hubbard was obsessed with body thetans, but personally, I never met a BT I didn’t like. The ultimate cluster making incident is joining Scientology.
Hence the term ‘Cluster Fuck’ was created to describe that unique experience.
Yo Dave,
Better get crackin on a new rundown for yer unique experience good buddy.
First there was De Dinging. Lets get de Clustering on the new ‘After Covid’ line up at Flog. Use the lit pole Dave and git em runnin both directions at the same time. Otta be worth double and yer plebes won’t know if there comin er goin!
I guess it’s kinda like howz Scienscrewology is anyway.
Meanwhile, howz yer hidin from the servers goin?? Are ya comin or are ya goin?
I say ya otta do an assessment and take the longest reading item.
To: Newcomer
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: Lack of respect to COB
In response to your ‘yo,Dave’ as well as to all of the other downstats on this blog who disrespect my awesome theta persona, I assign you a condition of Enemy and require all of you to work your way up the conditions to non-e. Failure to do so will result in the guilty party’s incurring of my displeasure.
ML,
Dave.
To: David Miscavige COB RTC
From: Alcoboy
Re: recent comm particle.
Yo, Dave!
You are kidding, right?
I mean, who on this blog would want to get back in your good graces? Like you have any.
Oh, and if anything is downstat, it’s Scientology.
No love at all,
Alcoboy.
Yo Dave,
So glad ta see yer still kickin good buddy! I just love disrespectin yer awesome theta persona but I gotta tell ya Dave, yer comin across as a pretty fucked up guy theses days.
I really don’t think anyone who sees yer Super Spreader Super Bowl add is really gonna give two shits about yer cherchy thing ya got goin on. Why doncha just pack it in, throw a suitcase of benjamins in yer duffel and head for the Amazon. Trade the Freakwinds in for a power sled and head upriver good buddy.
I’ll let the Piranhas know yer comin !
You forgot to ask him about the process servers.
The evidence doth speak loud when lies and make-believe are uncovered, but the swing of a little needle trumps that through Hubbard’s eyes. For the rest of us per his tech, the instant read occurs before the recognition of the thought, not so for Hubbard.
It’s taken me a long, long time to work out what I think was Hubbard’s goal. His insanity aside (if that’s possible), but he always worked towards proving his theory of what he called a static, the truth he liked to term it. It’s unalterable and sits above everything like in his explanation of the top of the pyramid or the “Qs” he called it. It explained everything (life itself and the universe(s) it dwells in) below it. His view of the condensation of life itself.
In his journey creating Scientology he became fixated on proving his theories must be correct, despite any evidence to the contrary, (which, by the way accounted for a great many declares and unbelievable misery for others, who gave their all). This post is a good example of bullshit uncovered. In other words, his lies and belief that he alone knew he was the only one on the trail of ‘truth’ became the dominating parameter for everyone that followed. We were simply ‘had’ by lies and half truths if you blindly believed that stuff without scrutiny. The bait of freedom is irresistible, it’s amazing what you don’t see when you taste a little bit of it.
He shouted, ‘self-determinism’ from the roof tops but in actuality others being self determined were his greatest obstacle to overcome. His work, especially policy, reeks of opposing it.
The sad fact is that all of those solo auditors over the years have evaluated and invalidated the beings/spirits/etc that were around the body by running them into an imaginary incident— one not of their making or experience. Solo auditors running Incident II have taken it from Hubbard’s f**ked up mind and have fully created the incident into the spiritual universe. Perhaps millions of times. Those (me included) solo auditors intentionally and deliberately implanted into others (and themselves) a fictional fart of the old man, Incident II. Say a lie long enough and it becomes a ‘belief’ that persists on its own.
No wonder Hubbard went paranoid at the end. All of those beings he screwed up in his years of ‘research’ got their revenge before Hubbard died. Karma comes due, no matter who you are.
Dear Sir:
Popocatepel volcano is near Puebla, capital of the state of Puebla. Pueblo means small town!
Volcanos were put on the cover of DIANETICS because it was believed that even the sight of a flaming mounting would bring back ancient internal memories of the dropping of the fourth dynamic engram causing the wall of fire incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N595TpC1-Fg
If Hubbard was right there should have been an independent confirmation of the Wall Of Fire.
For Hubbard to be right, he would have to be provably wrong (and then doubters should be unable to fail him). I’m afraid I don’t see any testable prediction which is not contradicted by Hubbard himself or which isn’t blatantly failing for every single victim of the mind-fuck perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.
Tests of very early die-netics done with the accord of some Hubbard institute or other failed miserably. The first “clear” couldn’t remember the colour of Hubbard’s tie.
Freezoners also failed to take James Randi’s Million Dollars off him demonstrating all the sexy remote viewing and stuff.
There’s no there, there.
👌
The pay-as-you-go shall be considered as business activity and brought under tax net and not entitled of claiming as donation.
Religion enjoys tax exempt status, as it is an voluntary activity with no profit motive.
Today ,one can download any religious scriptures of mainstream religion ( Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and Sikhism) from internet.
Their services are free ,teaching is free and no entry/exit barrier at worship place.
That’s what entitled it to claim tax exempt status.
BTW what tax exempt atatus mean :
As one is involved in voluntary activity and his income & donation are not taxed, it’s the other tax payers who share his/her burden of not paying for Healthcare cost, social walfare , development expenditures ( building road and bridges) , education, law & order etc etc
Reading this, which was muy difficult, strained my credulity badly. But I’d spent years working extra hours to make advanced payments for OT.
Do y’all remember advanced payments? Monthly Flows? Send in a check monthly toward your OT Levels? If you can’t send a check send paperclips? But keep the flow going?
Yeah, I bought that crap hook, line, and sinker.
So I choked down the misery of having to read Ron’s dreadful handwriting. It was sold to me as this massive benefit. Ooh, read the old man’s actual writing. It must be true.
Oh the memories of that dark time.
Oh and after all those stupid advanced payments, my FSM got a big payday when a reg convinced me at twenty three or so, a renter with no college, to get multiple credit cards. And charge them all up to go OT.
Dang. The memories.
23, in debt up to your neck and feeling the pressure to both take on more debt and to get out of debt – I bet they didn’t even offer to give you a bowling trophy (Victima Gullibous?).
As the saying goes, we all pay for our education.
Hi, Lili,
The closest I ever got to the OT levels happened when I earned SOLO 1 and SOLO 2.
I could never make money, not to mention what it would take to traverse/trudge my way on El Bridge-O To Not-So-Total Freedom.
I worked, instead, behind the scenes, slaving away full-time, week after week, month after month, year after year, for OSA US in the mid-1980’s. There, I made $10 an hour, cash, and $10 an hour, credit, at the Org for whom I did Div 3 financial audits.
I did the same thing on The Fleecewinds. There, I earned the Route to Infinity course and the Time Track of Theta course. I even secured the Anatomy of Cause Course, valued at some $3800.00.
One day, however, all of those awards DISAPPEARED when a new policy came out which said that if you didn’t use those awards by a certain date, they would become invalid. Talk about out-exchange.
Yes, I made advanced payments. I even almost paid in full for an IAS Lifetime Membership.
What’s really good about this is that I never did those courses or used that membership.
Fred,
I lent money to my greedy, user of an FSM. I was a nice girl and he preyed on that. He used my new credit card, one of many to buy $6,000.00 in services that he convinced me he should pay off with his training credits. I think you know what happened to those training credits. Vanished.
His handling was to get them put back on my account. A couple years later they were gone again. He talked me into getting the basics instead. By that time I was exhausted, madly in debt, and beyond caring that he financially raped me. What was I to do?
It was made plain to me that it had been ‘my’ decision and only I would look bad if I wrote him up. So I didn’t complain or tell anyone. It still pisses me off.
I’m so pleased however that you dodged the OT Levels. Good move Fred.
It’s amazing, Lili, just how underhanded and criminal a scientology staff member can get. In the late 1980s to earlier 1990s, it happened at Sterling Management Systems, one of the cult’s “front groups,” in Glendale, California.
There used to be a salesperson there by the name of Roseanna Avenessian. She hung around with Erin, Kevin Wilson’s niece (Kevin owns the place). They were quite a pair, so to speak (and pardon the pun): Roseanna and Erin often wore a bustier. They’d get all dressed up and run around the place, working, giggling… and jiggling.
One day, Roseanna left unexpectedly. She might have been asked to leave because it turns out she used money from at least one client’s account without permission. (Her sales stats had kept going up and up and up, and it turned out clients were buying books from her, but didn’t know about the transactions).
Your scientology “friend” is an ASS, not an FSM, who used his selectee as an ATM.
Bam, another great story about how the orbit of scientology is bad, bad, bad.